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Social Bookmarking Services Revisited
pchere writes "Social bookmarking allows you share bookmarks publicly instead of restricting them to the browser favourites. Del.icio.us is such a fast growing community and its users have created a large number of del.icio.us tools to further enhance the service. Organization by tags allows for quick retrieval of sites by topics and bookmarks are available as RSS feeds. An article in D-Lib Magazine reviews the Social Bookmarking Tools to "remind you of hyperlinks in all their glory, sell you on the idea of bookmarking hyperlinks, point you at other folks who are doing the same, and tell you why this is a good thing.""
Sure, you could go to google's image search, but where else can you easily see, for instance, celebrity nipples or this category?
Just looking at an object, and seeing other tags at the same time is extremely addictive. You can quickly jump to and fro within this kind of taxanomy with little effort. With certain experiments, we've seen a user stickyness not noticed before. And using RSS to monitor a tag is a great way to keep updated on content that you're really interested in.
While http://flickr.com/>flickr.com fantastic, it is pretty generic, I suspect we'll all see a large group of sites dedicated to tagging almost anything (books, products) that are more specific and open to finding a small but vocal niche of people.
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Del.icio.us is such a fast growing community and its users have created a large number of del.icio.us tools to further enhance the service.
that..........????
Couldn't a page of links do the same thing?
I highly recommend anyone who hasn't yet visited this site to check it out.
A good place to look is the page of "popular" sites. Some strange and interesting stuff turns up there fairly routinely.
Stuff like how to cut (i.e. vegetables, meats etc) and Chess strategies among other sometimes bizarre sites.
http://del.icio.us/popular/
but how long before it is filled with spam links, ads, ect? i don't see how they are going to keep it clean
Backflip used to work well for social bookmarking. But now its user base has shrunk so much that it's trivially easy to distort the results in the "What's popular" sections.
A massive global pr0n database?
43rd Law of Computing:
Anything that can go wr
fortune: Segmentation violation -- Core Dumped
With a few hundred million regular users could this sort of thing compete with search engines?
Or would it just become a handy place that search engines would mine for data?
Stop the world; I need to get off.
Not keeping tons of bookmarks is also a good way to reduce info-overload: you only remember the stuff that matters. No more feeling compelled to check up on hundreds of old links (and then cleaning house of the dead ones yet again).
Power to the Peaceful
I went to the article expecting another pseudo marketing piece, but whoa, what's there is quite a detailed analysis of social bookmarking, including a history of bookmarking that brought back my youth when mysterious programs named Archie and Gopher brought me internet content. Someone went through a lot of effort to put this together. There are some interesting conclusions drawn about the differences between search engines and places like slashdot,wiki..community sites where the ranking of the content is done either by machine (search engine) or individuals (community site). I found it interesting to hear a good explanation of why I stopped using bookmarks (when I used to have huge bookmark files) - it became easier to find the same site again through a search engine. Especially when bookmarks become outdated when URL's change.
The rock, the vulture, and the chain
bookmark sharing? did i accidentally turn on the time machine? Even "cool" things like cross-correlation and ...whatever else you could make cool about this, still don't make it useful.
-- http://www.criticalassets.com
Probably read it later.
I am from a small, grease-loving country in the north called Ca-na-da.
The introduction of social bookmarking was ahead of its time. However, with the phenomena of blogging, podcasting, and the like, a revisiting of this idea is a welcome change to our never-ending search for better quality in our instant information-accessing ways. I see some mention about this topic of likening social bookmarking to a search engine, but I fail to see it. A search engine starts with the assumption you have a big pile of mess you need to plod through to find what you want, and casts the widest net possible to do it. While social bookmarking also addresses this assumption, the search for the content you want does not begin in a randomized mess. I have also heard the phrase P2P for categorized search engines, allowing each person who participates to do some of the sorting for you, saving you from the cast-the-widest-net-possible approach of our most popular search engines; a seemingly valid point. I can see social bookmarking doing for searching what RSS did for syndicated news online. I, quite frankly, hope it does.
The Crimson Dragon
If you would like to host a social bookmark script on your own server, you should try Scuttle
- Teja
This will become usless once spammers start to catch on...
here is the second part of the article
- Teja
Whoa, dude! Chess strategies! That's outrageous! http://www.chesstactics.org/ "Predator at the Chessboard" The dinosaur part fetish and gung-ho attitude give novelty. Unfortunately del.icio.us is another big timewaster- I highly recommend staying away from the site!
Given what I've experienced of the net in certain circles (counter strike and IRC in general being major offenders), I'm not sure I want to know what other people are bookmarking.
The original Yahoo was like that... links were catagorized by hand rather than automated. at the time [in the early days] it was easier to use yahoo because it came up with more relevant sites...not just a text search.
Am I the only one who gets the impression that this whole social netbookblogmarkworking thingamebob is all a bit self referential at the moment.
blogs pointing to social booking marking tools linking to other blogs talking about syndication, itself syndicating another page talking about blogging that links to a social booking site...
I'm a bit worried about getting involved because I might not get out.
You heard about the two websites that accidetally syndicated each other didn't you? Right mess it was. In the data center of one of the servers the Janitor had to be called in - it was beyond anything a sysadmin could clear up.
you should check out nesstags... its a suggestion for a simple improvement to tagging systems.
basically, tags are given a one-digit score (1 low to 9 high) which informs the system how much a given item belongs to that tag.
so when bookmarking slashdot, for example, you might give it the following tags: news4 geek9
this means that slashdot is a 4 on the newsness scale, but 9 on the geekness scale. this sort of quantification would really come in handy for searches. when you search for "news," slashdot would be displayed lower in the results than nytimes, for example.
it is super easy for the tagger to include the scoring, and the improvement to the system could be immense.
You can still have links categorized by hand. Just use a directory, not a search engine.
:)
There's still the original Yahoo directory: http://dir.yahoo.com/. Which, by the way, you can actually search for what you want. All links are hand moderated, so what you're looking for should be relevent to the category.
There's also the Open Directory Project: http://dmoz.org/. This is the roughly the same as the Yahoo version.. but its open!
IMO, Simpy knocks del.icio.us into a tin hat.
$ strings FTP.EXE | grep Copyright
@(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of California.
I've been using del.icio.us for about a year now, but I hardly ever visit the site itself except when I'm adding or retrieving my own bookmarks. Instead, I use the fantastic populicious RSS feeds to tell me what the new popular links of the day are, coupled with RSS feeds for various tag intersections that I'm interested in.
I've found out about a helluva lot of stuff via del.icio.us over the last year that I just wouldn't have found out about otherwise.If you haven't used it yet, give it a look.There are many general social bookmark services available, but Digg (along with del.icio.us) is one of my favorites in that Digg focuses mainly on Tech related things. It is starting to become more and more popular and is really worth checking out.
- Teja
One of the benefits of Del.icio.us is that often the popularity of a particular link tells you something about its quality as a data source--but even better, since you can subscribe a a given user's bookmarks, you can use the link poster as another, more accurate, guide to data validity. I'd also like to point out for Mac OS users, that Buzz Andersen's free Cocoalicious is quite nifty, since it works even when the Del.iciou.us server is unavailable, and that Brent Spiner's news reader/aggregator NetNewsWire works well with Deli.icio.us, in part due to the magic of AppleScript, in part because one of its features allows you to subscribe to tag feeds from Del.iciou.us, Flickr, and Technorati.
Hmmm the xxx section on the CelebrityFlicker gave some real interesting pictures... ;)
When I hit that site the first three popular links were about del.icio.us.
there's more than one way to do me.
Do a google search for esconsult1 and w3matter (parent company of cityflicker - notice the correlation.
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
Wow. A troll on Slashdot who has nothing better to do on a weekend. You words move me so much...
I'm a virgo and on Slashdot. Coincidence? Yes.
I want a service that lets me se which sites other people recommend that I visit, based on the site that I'm currently on.
Could be solved by a mix of RSS-feed and Firefox plugin?
Anything like this exists?
Oh, and it should be easy as hell to input a new site, or it will never be popular...
One of the current links on that page is "How to Get Slashdotted." Whatever it says, it must work.
It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
I have a personal site and from about 1994 when I first put it online until around 1999, I would upload my bookmark page from Netscape. It was already html so it was easy to do without any reformatting at all. I found it pretty handy and so did my friends.
"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain
Does del.icio.us (or the lesser known Open Source de.lirio.us) feature spammer protection? Or technorati tags, for that matter? How do people filter out spammers?
I keep thinking: "One of these days, the spammers are going to mess up this system."
The problem is that simply being in a category doesn't mean you'll be interested in it. There are "good" sites and "bad" sites in the same category. The idea with Stumbleupon is that people who are like-minded in their likes and dislikes will get lumped together and basically send each other their sites through "random" stumbles. For example, Stumbleupon also has categories. In something like Christianity, you'll find a bunch of Creationist sites as well. Mark them down, and you're less likely to see Creationist sites but you'll still see the other more useful ones out there.
Yeah, there is one:t ml?_mid=8976
http://buzz.research.yahoo.com/bk/market/market.h
Fantasy market, but fun to play and watch.
The 2 leaders there, Delicious and Furl, are commercial (one has VC funding and the other is owned by a publically traded company). Simpy is the first independent service there, and I hope you can see why (demo/demo account). Yes, I'm a little biased, see my URL above.
Simpy
Hate replying to myself, but Simpy has a few more cool features that Delicious lacks. Link History is one of them. For instance, here is http://www.simpy.com/simpy/LinkHistory.do?title=Sl ashdot%3A%20News%20for%20nerds%2C%20stuff%20that%2 0matters&href=http%3A%2F%2Fslashdot.org%2F&v=1">Sl ashdot's link history.
Also, I can have multiple "Topics" with Simpy (create a Topic, add a few people to it, watch their links, optionally applying a query filter over them). I use this a lot to keep abreast of useful information that pertains to my work and interests.
Simpy
http://getoutfoxed.com/
"There are over 8 billion web pages. Most of them suck.
Outfoxed uses your network of trusted friends and experts to help you find the good stuff and avoid the bad. (And a lot more, too.)"
You can add things like this
You mean this crap isn't spam? And this and this? Those and many, many more fill the first page of results in the search I did just now after reading your post. Technorati's results change by the minute, but they are still full of thousands of spam posts like these.
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Read about it here, thought it was as important as the invention of the wheel (Spin). Went to go use it, found out otherwise.
"Bookmarking" is a highly personal thing - just like tastes in general. Sharing your tastes with a few selected people is ok, but sharing them with just anyone on the planet doesn't make any sense. If I'm interested in a particular person's interests, I'll ask them, or I'll visit their web site if they have one. But I have absolutely no interest in knowing the interests and tastes of someone I don't know - or a bunch of them. To me, this is a very specific form of voyeurism. And heaven knows there is already plenty of that on the internet.
I guess things like backflip are coming back, but this time the services are useful. For one thing del.icio.us and Flickr have shown that embracing the developer community makes sense.
I think for most people, me included, bookmarking is easier and often provides more useful information to others than blogging, there is clearly overlap.
Services such as Wists which is somewhere between Flickr and del.icio.us are an example of a bookmarking systems that are complimentary to del.icio.us allowing people to bookmark things such as gadgets, complete with thumbnail images.
Bookmarking is lazy blogging, but if someone is good at spotting things but not so good at writing I'd much rather read what excites someone via their bookmarks than wade through their blog postings.
So what? The mere mention of a company/project you're involved in does not constitute spamming. What, people aren't allowed to talk about what they do? What he posted was completely on-topic.
I like my women like my coffee... pale and bitter.
Also checkout Feed Me Links http://feedmelinks.com/portal
It's a really great social bookmarking site. The userbase is still somewhat small, but it's growing quickly! Feed Me Links provides a great user interface, Firefox extension, IE plugin, RSS feeds, tags, Flash sidebar, and so much more!
Although not very good itself, the article gives a lot of good references. For a more in-depth analysis of social bookmarking I would recommend a very interesting article entitled Folksonomies - Cooperative Classification and Communication Through Shared Metadata and written by Adam Mathes.
If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough. (Alan Kay)
Your mailbox is full of spam ... are you not mailing anymore? ... are you not surfing anymore? ... are you not using them anymore? /. has its annoying adds, reposts and non-relevant stuff.
The Web is full of spam
You are getting spam on your cellphone or even in your snail-mailbox
Finally, even
However, I never heard of someone to completely stop using any of these just because of spam. So, the fact that social bookmarking is prone to attract spam (although so far it has not) is usually not a good enough reason to dismiss it. On the contrary, when spam will happen in social bookmarking systems I will know that the technology is mature enough, enough people are using it and it cannot be stopped.
If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough. (Alan Kay)
I admit it's my own site and just something I have been fooling around with but one thing that I think it has over some of the other social bookmarking sites is that it allows you to designate links as public or pviate.
:)
I have most of my links public at http://links.klatt.us/public.php?user=klatt but I have a few that are private.
... and oh yah, RSS feeds
Why are all these pics so small?
This is useless.
try URLex share your bookmarks across community, friends, co-workers. create private communities, etc. intersting service :)
My essential objection was that is was off-topic - or off at a wild tangent anyway, and there was no declaration of an interest in the site and little real relevance to the debate.
If people want to link to their own sites in a distinctly spammy / google-bomby way they have that right but they shouldn't end up at +5, Informative, because of it, they certainly shouldn't be gaining karma for posting a blatant shill.
That's an insult to those slashdotters who actually go out there and find good sites that genuinely add to the debate, instead of just posting porn-links for personal profit.
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
Try spurl.net it is great. I have moved all my bookmarks to it.
There is also zniff which searches in the bookmarks in spurl.net
Nifty tool if you want to import your bookmarks from your browser: http://www.julian-bez.de/delicious/ Makes short work of "seeding" your del.icio.us account.