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Sabah Arif writes "We've all heard of Apple's Newton, the portable handheld device under John Sculley's rule at Apple that debuted to big media attention and much fanfare but never managed to take a strong footing in the marketplace. The same handhel that went on to be 'Steve'd' when Mr. RDF killed the project after taking control of Apple. That's the extent of knowledge most of us have with regard to Apple's first handheld device. OS Opinion sheds light on the early days of the pocket Apple." From the article: "Apple in the late eighties had become stagnant. The Macintosh had become Apple's cash cow like the Apple II that had preceded it. To protect the Mac, Apple was hesitant to start or pursue any project that might compromise the company's revenues. Several people in the corporation were weary of this approach, and began to look at the future of computing. One of those people was Steve Sakoman."
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Written four years ago, here's a piece about Apple's other historical tablet initiatives, and speculation about a Mac tablet (there's always speculation)...
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I once got to talk with Larry Yeager, the guy who supposibly helped write the handwriting recognition software for the Newton and a lot of other neat software. He now lives about 30 minutes away from Bloomington and Apple paid the ISP I used to work for to have a T1 out to his house (back in the 90s when that was about $3000 a month for such a service). Really sharp guy, look him up on the net sometime.
The Newton was way ahead of its time in many aspects: versatility, portability, object-oriented based language (at first), etc. If the Newton had flourished as well as our current Palm devices and Pocket PC devices, we might all be using Newtons, or a derivative, instead.
Of course, we can all thank the Newton for paving the way to a lot of our mobile device concepts. Well, the Newton, and Star Trek.
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There's a fantastic book called Defying Gravity about the development of Newton. It's worth the read.
Sure wish I got one while they were around--a local store was giving away a copy free with every Newton 2100 back in the day.
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try wikipedia for information
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Newton
Or +1 Insightful as it does bear some light on the poor Stylus input to text recognitions on the old Newtons.
Six replies and already slashdotted....must have been hosted on a Newton as well....
Mr. RDF? Wus dat?
Though, the Newton really was a failure. It did many things right, but it was too bulky and costly: the Palm Pilot was less sophisticated, but it really matched what consumers needed.
I know some of you don't like the idea of Tablet PC but I think they are terrific personally. I've always wished that Apple would dump their Newton technology into a Tablet style machine. It would be fantastic for note taking during meetings and would allow me to better edit and distribute my notes. Not to mention the ones with the foldable keyboards are a more flexible form factor for mobile professionals like me. And I'd rather use a Mac than Windows with its underlying unix goodness and sweet interface.
Who knows if we'll ever see it though. It's not clear if there is a big enough market (I think there is but the products aren't good enough yet) and Steve Jobs just doesn't seem fond of the idea. But if anyone could really make it work, I think it would be Apple. Guess I have to keep dreaming...
I had several Newtons - an MP 100, an MP 120, and finally an MP 2000 (that was later upgraded to an MP 2100). The technology improved dramatically over those generations, and I really would love to see what would have emerged had development continued.
Since the Newton, I've used Palm, PocketPC, and Sharp Zaurus PDAs, and have yet to find anything I consider a worthy successor to the Newton. The integration of all the applications was seamless, and the software was truly designed to be used on a PDA, not just scaled down from some desktop application.
The form factor was a little clunky - either a smaller pocket-sized device, or a full-size tablet would have been better in my opinion - but I'm still looking for an overall user experience that's comparable, and haven't found it.
Subscribers can see articles in the future? So what? Everyone gets to see them in the future.
I had a MessagePad for a while. For about a year it served as my Personal Computer (I synced with a machine at work.) No other device this small has ever fulfilled this role for me. Hand writing recognition was not nearly as bad as legend has it. I was a pretty kickin' graffiti guy on a Palm for a while; now, having not used one for a while, I can't use it anymore. Anyway, there's a great Newton book - Defying Gravity - which was released. I've got a copy. Best thing is the typo on the spine. The Newton was a great sparkling piece of technology, and a great launch. On par with Mac OS X, but more revolutionary I think.
insert obvious 'hosted on a Newton server' crack here...
"Old news for Nerds. Stuff that doesn't matter."
Yet, still interesting enough to post a comment in. I wouldn't mind, but more comments means more apparent interest in these stories.
"Derp de derp."
at first when i read the headline i thought it was talking about fig newtons with apple flavor..
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It looks like this story was actually written by the MLAgazine editor.
New Newton in the works?
"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
In a MP 120 with the 2.0 version of the OS, write "Egg Freckles" and then hit Assist.
In the prototype MP 2000 units (code named "Q"), the first run or EVT units: Write "About Newton" and press Assist. In the DVT and production units it says "What about Newton?" followed by "What about xxx?" where xxx is the name of each developer who worked on the project (sequentially).
In the EVT units, instead of the developer names, it uses Larry, Moe, Curly, and Shemp.
Also, you gotta love the Area 51 Easter egg in the first 2.0 Newtons.
There was also a Solar Eclipse easter Egg, but I can't remember what OS version/models had it. (Possibly the MP100.)
I love the Newton.
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I had a palm, once. I hated the whole letter-by-letter method of writing. Who writes like that? I will use a Newton until the last one catches fire in my hand, or until I die.
Here will be an old abusing of God's patience and the king's English.
I'll have to finish my Newton Ant Farm.
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There's a mirror at MirrorDot, for all you people having problems with the original and the Coral (as I did).
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Old news for Nerds. Stuff that doesn't matter. This is a rather universal sentiment nowadays, but the cliche that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it is quite often accurate. This applies to nerds as well, especially in technology. Looking at what was done with the Newton can help us understand why it failed and potentially help us to prevent similar problems from happening in future products.
"We've all heard of Apple's Newton, the portable handheld device under John Sculley's rule at Apple that debuted to big media attention and much fanfare but never managed to take a strong footing in the marketplace -- only to be "Steve'd" when Mr. RDF killed the project after taking control of Apple. That's the extent of knowledge most of us have with regard to Apple's first handheld device.
Thomas Hormby submitted the following editorial to osOpinion/osViews, which gives us more in-depth knowledge about the Netwon project during its original development -- such as the fact that it could be said that the Netwon originated from a concept device Sculley called Knowledge Navigator."
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Apple in the late eighties had become stagnant. The Macintosh had become Apple's cash cow like the Apple II that had preceded it. To protect the Mac, Apple was hesitant to start or pursue any project that might compromise the company's revenues. Several people in the corporation were weary of this approach, and began to look at the future of computing. One of those people was Steve Sakoman.
Steve Sakoman worked at Hewlett Packard before he came to Apple, where he helped develop the first HP notebook. When he joined Apple he was happy that he 'was not going to make DOS clones for the rest of my life.' Steve had joined Apple to work on the MacPhone, a collaboration between Apple and AT&T.
After the project was canceled, he saw that Apple was not willing to take the same risks it had with the original Macintosh or even the Macintosh II. He went to Apple's director of new products, Jean Louis Gass'e, and threatened to quit unless he was allowed to create the 'future Macintosh', a computer that would be as influential on the computer industry as the original Macintosh was. Gass'e sympathized with him, and gave him permission to begin an independent research group
While Sakoman was at Hewlett Packard, he saw several 'hand entry computers that did not use keyboards. He was intrigued with the idea of scrapping the keyboard. The fact that most computers used a QWERTY keyboard was a mere fluke, he thought. Steve thought that a more natural method of input would take hold, like handwriting or speech.
Sakoman set to work immediately, getting his brand new research group off the ground. He recruited developers from around the company, including some original Macintosh developers. Like the original Macintosh and their off-site office, Texaco Tower, the new team moved to a converted warehouse on Bubb Road. Steve named the team 'Newton'. He did so because Sir'Isaac Newton was featured prominently in Apple's original logo and because he had prompted so many changes in the way people viewed the world.
At the time of the Macintosh II introduction, John Sculley had a video produced featuring his Knowledge Navigator device. He envisioned a tablet style device that would fold out to reveal a large color LCD display. The software would interpret the users commands via a humanoid assistant. The device could recognize voice commands, and interpret handwriting commands. Prescient of the internet, Sculley would have the device be able to communicate fluently with similar devices and servers around the world.
The Knowledge Navigator never went any further than the video, but John Sculley hoped that the technologies he had envisioned in the device would find life in other Apple projects. He thought that the Newton would be able fulfill his vision, and became one of its most vocal proponents.
The research group first found out what they wanted in a computer, and created a prototype design. Without any marketing staff, the team came up with a very advanced, very expensive device. The new machine was to be based on two AT&T Hobbit processors (a design that was very easy to program for) and would be about the size as an A4 sheet of paper, and feature a large, LCD, grayscale display. The true star of the new computer would be its software. The engineers wanted full handwriting recognition that
If you used one of the original Newtons you would have seen this word more times than the sum of all previous times in your life. It seemed that every time I entered a contraction beginning with a capital I, this was what it was interpreted as. Gary Trudeau of lampooned the whole Fiji thing in his Doonesbury strip when the Newton came out.
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
pricing is important. As I recall, it didn't catch on because it was too expensive.
They were like a grand each, in '80s dollars.
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He was intrigued with the idea of scrapping the keyboard. The fact that most computers used a QWERTY keyboard was a mere fluke, he thought. Steve thought that a more natural method of input would take hold, like handwriting or speech.
Handwriting: vastly slower than typing, even for crummy typists like me.
Speech: unusable except in private.
Does anyone see anything replacing keyboards anytime soon?
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I am a Newton user (MP130), and my favorite feature is being able to create ink outlines. No other PDA that I know of includes the functionality out of the box.
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Have you ever gone to a Disney theme park and been asked to take a survey? The handheld they use to write down your answer is a Newton.
..... or so have I been told by an Apple higher up.
Apple has a contract to supply Disney with them until 2010.
Mirrordot works.
This is here so you don't ignore the last two lines of my posts.
steven siegel loves the newton
They're called apple newtons.
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- A Bluetooth Stack/driver: http://www.40hz.org/Blunt/
- a 802.11b Wi-Fi driver: http://www.ff.iij4u.or.jp/~ngc/eng/newtwave.htm
- an ATA Flash Card driver: http://www.kallisys.com/newton/ata/
For lots of other updated Newton info, check out the Newton FAQ or WikiWikiNewt.Actually I assume that if we're talking about Ralph Ellison, the book in question would be "Invisible Man," not "The Invisible Man." An important distinction since "The Invisible Man" is a completely different book written by H.G. Wells.
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Everybody knows the Newton was really the work of DEC, who were the true innovators with their Leibnitz line of handhelds.
The Leibnitz never caught on, due to the unique marketing approach that was synonymous with Digital.
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...those who forget history are doomed to repeat it...
And sometimes on the same day.
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i came back to your site as soon as (1 seconds later). Still found the same.
One more qn: Is this site hosted on the same MAC PDA?
We're just too dern'd popular these days...
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We've had to take the site offline for some maintinence.
Thats expected!!!
Please bear with us and come back soon.
i came back to your site as soon as (1 seconds later). Still found the same.
One more qn: Is this site hosted on the same MAC PDA?
Mmmm...newtons. Or did you mean Caramel Apple? I'm confused.
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The Newton was the preferred PDA of Steven Seagal's character in Under Siege 2: Dark Territory!
I'd rather have someone respond than be modded up.
They were tired (weary) of the careful approach, and wanted to do something radical.
about the Newton. Truth is, it was a device far, far ahead of its time. Palm admittedly used it as a model for the first Palm Pilot. Even though Palm simplified the Pilot, eventually, it evolved into a machine that is much like the original Newton, in concept. I'm sure Apple would've made it smaller if technology permitted, but at the time, VHS size was the best they could do. Had they come out with at the same product 10 years later, (smaller form-factor, of course) it would've taken off. Timing is everything.
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Jet Li. His doppelganger from a parallel universe wanted his power.
Scully didn't use the Force (get it? Apple? Newton? Force? Bwahahah)
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Ko Isono, and murder of the self-inflicted variety.
Strangely enough, I use this feature every day. Macromedia Flash's drawing tools can do this. There's an "ink" setting, where the "pencil" draws whatever you do, warts and all, a "smooth" setting, where it simplifies the curves and creates fewer vector points, and "straighten," which examines your scrawl for resemblance to a line, triangle, oblong, or circle, and makes a nice neat one of the scrawl's size and proportions. Now that Adobe and Macromedia are (very probably) merging, maybe they can incorporate this into Illustrator.
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I not sure I'd agree with that statement, ARM was already a sure thing in mobile devices at that point but it takes a long time for that to bubble through the product pipeline and get into peoples hands. The ARM610 was interesting though, having a special MMU designed specificly to work well with Newtons OO OS. I've never bothered to look to see if any of those features still live in ARMs newer MMU designs. BTW the first silicon for the ARM610 that Apple received came from Plessey Semiconductors not VLSI though it was only by a matter of weeks. I know that because I worked on that design team.
I don't remember which models included this -- maybe the 1xx's -- but if you did a find for "Elvis", the result would say something like, "The king was last seen in (random city name)"...
Silly...
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I think the best Newton ever was the education-targeted eMate 300. It was my first "computer", way back in middle school. I really wish Apple would have stuck with it. Even today, nothing compares to the eMate - it's stunningly durable (demos of it regularly featured the presenter climbing a ladder and dropping it on to the floor, snapping back whatever case edges popped out, and turning it on), it's simple - I had no problem using it to type reports and print them on my old DeskJet 550c, and it's powerful, especially for it's time.
Memories of that eMate keep the hope in me that Apple will release a tablet some day, a tablet done right.
the newtons biggest problem was the time in which it was launched.
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these days pda's are a lot better served especially with the rise in wireless networking.
to give an example the mdaIII is a pda phone with built in wireless now for my money gprs is expensive but with wireless built in it just takes finding a wireless hotspot and all of a sudden you have cheap calls and full net access
with skype for pocket pc you can call all over for 2p a minute (more for mobile calls) it will play mp3's streaming media play movies with sd cards getting cheaper its practical to put a movie on a card for long trips and the battery will last. most pda's can charge off a car ciggerette lighter socket. anyone with autoroute should have pocket streets which on the latest map can locate postcodes shops cinema's ect. never get lost in a strange city again.
whats still not right is the lack of external monitor/ composite video on most pda's and usb in. The toshiba 740e has this but the monitor resolution is low.
(actually there is a linux port being developed for it).
sdcards offer huge amounts of storage now so its possible to have almost everything you want sat on an sdcard find a hotspot and your net connected in seconds in most citys these days
one nice thing is the phone companys are offering some pretty good deals i got my mdaIII on a pretty cheap contract.
if apple developed a pda phone with usb and composite video and or vga support then they would make a killing my pda plays music plays films and all in 210 grams and pocket sized.
combine it with gps and you have the ultimate mobile companion.
best of all is when the phone companies subsidise it for you
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Another interesting fact is that at heart Steve isn't really a computer user.
It took somebody who was capable of using a CLI yet still hated it to deliver something better to the masses. Sure, Xerox PARC thought of the GUI, but Jobs was the one who realized that it really was the future.
I don't think I would ever want have that jerk over for dinner, but last year when Steve Jobs had pancriatic cancer the first thought to enter my mind was, "ah fuck... If Jobs dies, all computers will gradually start to completely suck again."
Just look at what happened to Apple when Jobs was not there. But at least then, he was still part of the game, as the CEO of Next.
Now imagine when he's no longer a part of the computer industry at all. We will desperately need a new tyrant/hippie/poser/flim-flam artist/asshole to come along and push the envelope again, and from the time he retires or dies to the time another freak like that steps up, the whole industry is probably doomed to stagnate and will probably even regress.
Now where's that barrel of Kool-ade?
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
Hmm. You must have the brain control of a Zen master.
I regret to inform you that communication and control in the average human being is so full of "uh uh"s and "ya kno"s in thought as well as in speech that trying to use one would be far more exhausting that just typing the [expletve deleted]words in. (Just eavesdrop in on to the average conversation. Phew!)
Not everybody has mush for brains but since the name of the game is that technology should make us more productive, I think that direct control is out.
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What has not been metioned (osnews is down at the moment so I can't verify it there) is that unlike the first generation software, the second generation recognition engine (now alive as Inkwell in Mac OS X) was developed in-house at Apple, in the Advanced Technology Group (ATG)
Apple-Newton Handwriting Recognition's lead was Larry Yaeger (who worked with Alan Kay at Apple) and is now at Indiana University where he's back at Artificial Life research.
Natural != the best in every situation.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I'd say that the GUI isn't "something better" than the CLI (see ) but rather "something that sucks in completely different ways than a CLI sucks".
WHo else noticed that the Knowledge Navigator in the video had an invisible hinge running down the middle of the screen?
Make an emulator for the newton that runs on XScale, have Apple sell licenses for the "roms". Profit.
And I love it. I print rather than write with it, and I find the accuracy is great. I also have Grafitti installed on it, but I hardly ever use it.
I've used Palms and PocketPC's, but go back to the Newton for it's simple and elegant interface, which makes we actually want to use it, and keep my calendar and contacts up to date.
Although the HWR gets all the attention whenever someone writes about the Newton, the one aspect I would have loved to see advanced and developed was the Assist button. Tap on it, enter something like "Have lunch with Bob on Tuesday", and it will search your contact list, automatically create a meeting on Tuesday for you.
At first, I would maybe think that fast touch typists could be converted to eventually just think about their existing writing patterns. After getting used to it, one would be able to increase the speed.
The biggest pro of this approach is of course that the signal itself will be discrete and that there's lots of existing software to handle it. It's just a way to replace the physical interface, the keyboard, not the type of interaction that's going on.
Why the Apple Newton Failed - written by Larry Tesler, Newton Development lead for two years.
I may have mentioned this in a previous article about the Newton, but it was used to coordinate battlefield information during a Marine Corps war fighting experiment called Hunter-Warrior, which was part of a program called Operation Sea Dragon.
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...short-timer transferred to a headquarters unit a few months before the actual operation...
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The newton I had was the original one with the original handwriting recognition. My hand writing is quite poor.
Still the newton was able to recognize my writing quite well.
I think the whole "newton handwriting sucks" concept is totally an urban legand. The newton didn't do %100 recognition therefore it sucked, and people (most of whom had never used one, or hadn't spent 10-15 minuts training a newton to read their handwriting)would spread this perception until it became another of the standard myths that "everyone knows".
Like "Macs are more expensive" "macs are not compatible", etc.
The newton's problem was that it was a bit too bulky. But the handwriting worked, the product WAS a success-- selling quite well, and the division was profitable at the time it was shut down (as was NeXT Inc. when it was bought.)
But since devices with less functionality were selling more (Eg the palm was selling more, but then the $5 pocket calculator was selling a whole lot more than the palm, so isn't the palm a failure by comparison?).... people called the newton a failure.
But the reality is, it wasn't.
Groupthink and knee-jerk religious animosity towards Apple has negatively impacted the countries productivity in a measurable way! Someone said that Episode 3 would result in 4 billions in less productivity for the US as people stayed out of work opening day to see it... by that measure, people's rejection of apple products without having actually evaluated them has probably caused hundreds of trillions in lost productivity.
Oh well, this irrationality only hurts the irrational.
Yeah, and you guys panned the ipod too: http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/23
I have gone to several PC Expos and Mac Expos at the Javits center in NY over the years. The first time I went to one I noticed every booth had a Newton hooked up to a card reader ( to scan your badge). Then Steve came back to apple and at that Expo there were no Newtons to be seen and I haven't seen any since.
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If my memory serves me well, it was the Newton team who came up with the name "PDA" to refer to handheld computers.
I remember thinking at the time that Personal Digital Assistant was one of the worst buzzwords ever, even though the Newton itself was kinda cool. It's funny how the machine faded away, but the acronym stuck.
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Carny?
Seriously, size is an issue, unless you wear cargo pants regularly. Also, these days, I want my organizer to also be a phone, modem, music player, camera, floor wax, and dessert topping. I'm not really fond of the Geek Bandolier/Utility Belt.
Interestingly Flash was originally FutureWave's FutureSplash Animator which was based on FutureWave's SmartSketch drawing program which was originally created for systems running Go Corp.'s PenPoint OS, but was ported to Windows and the Mac when Go and Eo (hardware manufacturer owned by AT&T) went belly up.
A really flexible vector drawing and note-taking program is still one of the areas in which Microsoft's Tablet PC is way behind (PhatWare's PhatPad is the closest thing, and it's almost as good as Newton, but requires a 1.0 GHz CPU, something like 250 times more processing power than the OMP or MP 100). Typically people leave up the input panel or a soft keyboard or attach a numeric or other keypad/strip to get at shift, option and other modifier keys so essential to using drawing programs such as FreeHand and Illustrator.
Alias Sketchbook is quite nice for bitmap graphics work though, and Ambient Design's ArtRage is fabulous for the price (free). Sketchbook was even ported to the Mac after popular acclamation.
Another nifty program is the InftyEditor which converts written equations into LaTeX code (shades of the math symbol input option for Instant TeX for NeXTstep).
I'm still mystified as to why Macromedia didn't revive SmartSketch for the Tablet PC.
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Seriously, that's not much of an argument against speech recog. Also, I think speech recog would fall under the same strictures of etiquette that prevail for cellphone use, for better or for worse.
No reason why a speech recog PDA couldn't also be a phone or uberdevice, and honestly I wouldn't be interested in a PDA that didn't do everything anyway.
Newton still beats the pants out of any PDA even today!
Can a Palm pilot run a web server?
Newton sure can do!
http://newton.splorp.com:8080/
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And it cost too much, in a world of much cheaper alternatives that were "good enough". That's why you probably won't be seeing new Newtons anytime soon.
There was a great panel at this year's CHI conference featuring Sutherland and others who worked at Lincoln Labs in the 1950s and 60s. Bill Buxton talks a bit about this on his web site. At the panel, they showed videos of Sutherland drawing with a light pen and having the shapes be recognized and squared up. Other demos included a graphical programming interface (20 years before NeXT's) and user-trainable gesture recognition. Given the computers these guys worked on (look at the pictures), the work they did was amazing.
Q: How many Apple Newton users does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Faux! There to eat lemons, axe gravy soup.
Finally, plug the MP into your HP Laserjet 4M and print it out (without loading up drivers). Try that on your Palm/WinCE device.
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I live in Hong Kong and back in the day I owned two Newtons, but both of them were the Sharp versions. Sod all memory; I remember installing Grafitti took about all bar a few K of RAM.
Anybody else come across these clones, and if so do you know if they differed from the Apple versions in any way other than aesthetically?
From a financial standpoint at least the Newton wasn't really a failure for Apple. Because of the Newton Apple was an early investor in Arm. When they sold off their Arm stock they made enough to cover the Newton R&D and then some.
Can you see any difference between the Newton HWR with the PocketPC Transcriber technology? Suck the M$ Transcriber. Can you hand draw a circle on the PocketPC and it automatically translated into a real circle? Can you draw a 'REAL' straight line with PocketPC? See how it work on a Newton.
P.S. I am also in HK and I bought the Sharp Clone of newton and Newton 2K on the first day launch in HK.
I missing the day that I can write "Lunch with Jackson tomorrow 13:00" then it will automatically put an item on the scheduler. at 12:45 it will ring and pop up with asking whether need to show the telephone number or even dial the number for me!!
Ursine Wiki has a whole bunch of stuff including history, detailed descriptions and reviews of most of the Apple Newton line.
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C'mon, if you really wanted to mess with Graffiti, you'd get a Palm. Besides the ingeniously clever OS, its hand writing recognition was what the Newt was all about!
you have two options:
1.) Thumb board.
2.) Stylus and handwriting recog OR an OSK
You have 3 options:
1. Thumboard.
2. Stylus and HWR.
3. Stylus and a learned interface.
Graffiti and the Pocket PC's Block Recogniser are not handwriting recognition. They're more like stenographer's shorthand, albeit less advanced. They're not as fast as a thumb-board, but they don't require the break between text input and positional input that a stylus or a mouse gives you.
Unfortunately Palm has abandoned Graffiti and replaced it with a more handwriting-like recogniser that's significantly slower because it requires multiple strokes for some of the most common letters.
Block Recogniser on the Pocket PC is now the best input mechanism available. It's a pity that the Pocket PC itself has been so badly crippled by Microsoft's desire to make it no more than an annex to Windows rather than an independent device capable of replacing the laptop for most casual users.
Ironically, Graffiti started out as an input method on the Newton. I use it on mine when I use my Newton at all.
I can only think of one thing you can't do more efficiently with a CLI (draw pictures) but then again I've always preferred CLIs (because they are so much faster and less restrictive) so I'm probably not the right person to ask.
Anyway, the existence of even one thing that the GUI does "better" still proves the point; that GUIs aren't useless.
Incidentally, my prior post was supposed have a link to Eben Moglen's interview here where he says "What I saw in the Xerox PARC technology was the caveman interface, you point and you grunt. A massive winding down, regressing away from language, in order to address the technological nervousness of the user." but I mis-moused it somehow.
When computers respond correctly to human language, then the "caveman interface" will no longer be needed.
If I had a dollar for every time a technology professional had to stop and think for a while, then check an O'Reilly "nutshell" book or a man page, simply because he couldn't remember an obscure command in DOS or *sh that the situation called for, I would be far richer than Bill Gates.
CLI's are terrific if you've been using them full-time for ten years. For example, I like working in bash, and can get a lot done fairly quickly in that environment. (I still have to look things up every now and again, though.)
For everybody else, they suck, and there's no indication that they will improve much anytime soon. Any interface that sucks for everybody who doesn't spend years learning it... just plain sucks.
Is there something that will come along and be better than the GUI? Damn, I sure hope so. Was it a big step forward? Hell, yeah.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
False. The interface of netcat is appropriate to its function, and nobody who hasn't spent years learning the intricacies of network protocols at the packet level can possibly use it. You can't use sing if you don't understand how ICMP rides herd on IP, and once you've reached that level of understanding the CLI interface is intuitive and a GUI simply restricts your creative abilities.
Testify, brother! I couldn't agree with you more.
Not just drawing pictures, but looking at pictures maybe? Don't forget that the human brain is very strongly geared towards the visual. The internet pre -the explosion of the web was a cool place, but the web is what let the internet explode, by allowing images and text to coexist easily. ASCII diagrams are quite often not the best way to convey information.
The command line certainly has its place. There are things in which it is faster and less restrictive, as you've said; but there are plenty of counter-examples for the GUI. I'm sure you could implement a spreadsheet of some sort in a CLI, but I'd hate to have to navigate through and edit random cells just with a keyboard. Or editing a document any more complicated than just simple text. GUI's are pretty much necessary if you're looking for WYSIWYG editing of almost any sort.
Your quote is interesting, and I see the point. But I would argue that the GUI is as much a language as the CLI. Neither of them are particularly equivalent to normal human speech, and they both need to be learned.
One time I threw a brick at a duck.
No, no SSH. Still. Telnet, yes. SSH, no.
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