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12Mbps Powerline Broadband Trial Unveiled
An anonymous reader writes "The tiny state of Tasmania in Australia has kicked off the country's first commercial powerline broadband trial. The service is capable of providing Internet connectivity of up to 12Mbps but during trials, it will be limited to 4Mbps. Costs will range from $12 (A$15) to $67 (A$80) per month for speeds between 256Kbps and 4Mbps. Powerline broadband has received wide support from leading vendors including Intel, Motorola and Cisco Systems -- all of whom support an organisation called the HomePlug Powerline Alliance."
...that our once thought unfounded fears of someone programming our toaster to eat our dog are not not-so-radical?
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In other news, Los Angeles is working on an implementation of electricity over power lines. Still a few bugs to work out in their implementation though, apparently.
Tasmanian Devil reportedly not impressed. Already using 1GBit fiberoptic connection.
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http://www.tastel.com.au/bpl/price_broadband.html
I bet I can do that in a day or two just patching a game? Or am I reading it wrong?
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Ah, who am I kidding - I would never leave the house with broadband that fast...
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I have Comcast cable internet and I'm pretty happy with my download speeds. The thing that I wish they would allow for is higher upload speeds.
So this new service offers 12Mbps download... but what are the upload speeds?
It's kind of sad that these companies have so little respect for the Ham Radio operators.
With all of the evidence showing the damage that the broadband over powerlines causes, this is kind of sad...
After I spent all this time getting off-grid!
but even with a UPS, you'll no longer be able to surf the 'net if the power grid goes down. The data signal is going through all the same places as the regular power.
A small price to pay though, does anyone know the maximum range on this technology?
c'mon, guys. Is it asking too much to report the ACTUAL bandwidth used in the trial, instead of some arbitrarily-high number that the users involved will never actually see??
Broadband over powerlines makes a whole lot of sense. Currently if you want broadband you have to run cable from your local cable provider, phone line from your local phone company, optical fiber from . . . whoever might offer that service (not an option in most areas, including my own, so I'm not sure), or you'll have to set up a satellite dish and worry about weather effects.
But what's the one thing that all computers have in common? They use electricity! And even if you're generating your own, you're still likely hooked up to the grid so that you can sell your excess back.
I can definitely see broadband over power lines being a big hit in developing countries, since they won't have to worry about the added infrastructure for connecting their residents to the Internet. Add voice over IP and you end up with VOIPOPL: Three products for the price of one (give or take a bit of added overhead).
So, any outlet could be an internet connection? I envision web cams and microphones left in every room by your crazy ex-girlfreind... Kind of expensive to have to replace all appliances, electronics, and outlets after an ugly breakup.
The article alludes several times to the higher possible speeds:
According to Ehrenfeld, the BPL service will be capable of providing an Internet connection for homes and businesses that is "vastly quicker" than the 24Mbps maximum possible with ADSL2+ technology, which uses analogue telephone lines. Such speeds are so far only being offered by only a couple of ISPs, with several more offering speeds up to 12Mbps.
But what really caught my eye:
"engin and Mitsubishi Electric engineers have worked closely together in both Australia and Japan to incorporate engin's VoIP technology in the 200Mbps BPL product developed by Mitsubishi," said a statement from the VoIP vendor on the trial.
Perhaps you could explain how precisely equipment is going to be tested when pr0n-over-power-lines is making spaghetti of the frequencies.
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The tiny state of Tasmania
Just to give some idea of what 'tiny' is in this context, Tasmania is about half way between West Virginia and South Carolina in terms of area.
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Homeplug is the consumer standard for in house data over powerlines.
HomePlug is also the standard that Motorola is using for their low voltage Canopy system. It operates on the 110/220 side of the transformer, not one the medium voltage lines.
Homeplug has actual hardware based filters to make sure it does not interfere with amateur radio operators. It does not merely change the modulation technique like most BPL providers have done to mitigate interference.
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I can hear them now...
How do I plug in my Powerline BroadBand? Can I surf the web with my monitor? Can this thing run on batteries?
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The tiny state of Tasmania Tasmania is about 68,000 sq km in area, which makes it bigger than West Virginia, Massachussetts, etc. Would you write "The tiny state of New Jersey"?
Come to Hamburg, Germany .... here you can get a 25 MBit/s DSL line for 28,99 EUR + 29,95 EUR if you want all this flat.
In addition, you have none of the above bads and no hurricanes, earthquakes et al. Maybe the weather is bad, but who cares if you have that much bandwidth.
Will this deployment of Broadband over Powerline cause interference to radio services and be subject to interference from radio services ?
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The American Radio Relay league has information on BPL in the USA at
http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/
The Australian Government has information on BPL at
http://www.acma.gov.au/ACMAINTER.2490560:STANDARD
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Sadly no. If I'm in California, and I'm talking to a flood victim in New Orleans, the BPL in Arizona will block us. The thing people forget about HAM radio is it is single transmitter, around the world. That can ONLY happen when everyone plays very nice. BPL does not place nice.
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This fatal flaw will seriously limit the way that BPL can be deployed and will decrease the reliability of a BPL system in any area where it is possible that nearby radio transmitters could be operating. Under the FCC's rules, BPL is an unlicensed device that must accept any interference caused to it by authorized radio services. In the past, and through decades of experience, such interference is rare to other broadband services, such as DSL, cable or satellite. However, in all of the BPL areas tested for susceptibility so far, the unshielded wiring that is used by BPL apparently picks up nearby radio transmitters and overload or otherwise degraded the performance of the system. Although this has been seen at power levels as low as 5 watts from Amateur Radio transmitters, Amateur Radio transmitters can use as much as 1500 watts of power, greatly extending area over which BPL will be unable to tune out these over-the-air signals.
See the ARRL.org website for more info. http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/ 73 de W7COM
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Brodband over Powerlines has been offered in the Allentown/Bethlehem area of Pennsylvania USA, since 2004 by PPL electric utilities.
A couple of years ago I did some work for these guys. Their products were great, but ISTR that only about 6 homeplug devices could be used on a given circuit. OK, things will have moved on a bit in that time, but I wonder what the limit is now. Also, they would not work across a transformer. Correct me if I'm wrong, but where I live every neighbourhood has a step-down transformer to convert the high voltages used to transport electricity over the grid to something that won't fry any poor bugger that gets within a few feet of it.
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How many people share a powerline? More than share my cable loop? How much capacity per subscriber?
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Which would add greatly to the weight of the line, so they'd have to re-engineer the whole distribution system, pole spacings, guy wire strengths, everything.
As often has been said in this BPL debate, we'd all be better off if they just strung some fiber.
While you may not think that your neighbor yammering on his CB, or another neighbor listening to broadcast from Radio Swaziland,or listening talk radio on AM broadcast are very important, there are other communications that are also disrupted: HF radio is used by emergency response agencies all over the world. The inadequacy of communications (among other failures of emergency services) was well demonstrated by the recent Hurricane Katrina disaster. BPL will make this worse.
HF radio, unlike cellular telephones and other centralized radio systems, has the ability to comunicate over long distances without any intermediate infrastructure. The is vital for disaster communications where the infrastructure is overloaded or destroyed.
Worst hit would be the poorer nations of the world, where telephone service is often unavailable or unreliable, and much of the communication has depended on HF radio. While the interference at a distance will be less, it will still be strong, very easily strong enough to make a weak signal calling for help in Afria disappear in BPL noise generated in Australia or the US.
It goes both ways: HF radio can also interfere with BPL. I think that, in an area where BPL is interfering with Amateur Radio, that the Amateurs will not hesitate to use more powerful transmitters (if they can afford the electric bill for doing so). These will disrupt BPL, quite easily to the point of being unusable. And I doubt the BPL ISP will let you out of the contract because of such interference! So don't sign up. It's not worth the headache, and the guilt, and angry hams and other angry HF radio users.
I'm pretty sure the US has all of the above except for Maori. Off the top of my head:
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Deadly Spiders - brown recluse, black widow, though actual deaths are unlikely. Loss of limbs due to gangrene is a more common outcome, and a lot of pain is more common yet.
Deadly Snakes - assorted rattlesnakes, and others. these are likely to cause more damage if you get bit, but bites are much easier to avoid.
Deadly Sharks - we get shark deaths/bites occassionally, though you're much more likely to die by lightning strike.
So now lets find out what a maori is
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&hs=kMG&lr=&cli
which indicates maori are the natives of new zealand. I'm unclear on how natives of new zealand would be more likely to kill you in australia than the US. Are there a lot of murderous emigrees?
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It should also be noted that currently Ham Radio has currently shown itself to be the only reliable form of communications in New Orleans. People who say that Ham Radio is dead need to understand that it is not dead, it's currently evolving and still provides an essential service from providing early warning on severe weather incidents (skywarn) to disaster recovery to simply talking to interesting people. Cell phones simply do not provide adequate coverage and reliablity during emergency situations.
It currently is also evolving within the digital realm to provide everything from high speed data over the air (HSMM working group in the ARRL) to VoIP interconnects between repeaters over the Internet.
Hopefully something can be reached that provides for a BPL system that does not cause interferenece with Ham Radio (this system might... didn't read the spec). If it does, I would rather have Ham Radio over BPL simply because it really doesn't bring very much to the table.