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TiVo OS Update Adds Content Protection
generic-man writes "According to PVRBlog, TiVo's new operating system update enables content protection flags on a per-show basis. On some programs, notably syndicated shows, a red flag appears to indicate that the copyright holder has requested that TiVo devices not save a program past a certain date and that the program may not be copied to a PC using TiVo to Go. TiVo users were told to expect this style of flag only on pay-per-view and video on demand programming, and as such are upset that TiVo has restricted the capabilities of the receivers they bought and subscribed to use. The TiVo Community boards have some screen shots and firsthand accounts."
Just one more good reason to bite the bullet, sit down, and build yourself a MythTV box.
There's a good walkthrough on building a MythTV box over on O'Reilly Digital Media, and another on the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
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They limited the particular program stored to only 7 days?!?! That's ridiculous.
So much for saving your favorite concerts, as I have done.
(I just hope my ReplayTV doesn't head toward this...)
Is there someplace I can buy a MythTv box, so I don't have to muddle through it myself? I don't mind learning, but I'd rather have a working box while I do so.
Does this affect Directivo too? Not all the Tivo software updates get passed through.
There are advantages to living in the cracks sometimes. Harry Harrison once wrote that every society has rats, and even an incredibly advanced one would have the equivalent, even if it's a 'stainless steel' rat. By owning a ReplayTV instead of a Tivo, I feel like I'm living in that crawlspace, away from all the media attention that a company like Tivo gets.
Replay got sued for the automatic commercial skip, but once that PVR had been thoroughly surpassed in numbers by Tivo, attention shifted elsewhere and now the only people who know about Replay are the owners.
1. I can pull my shows off my Replay over the network, no broadcast flag.
2. My 5060 (w/ the requisite hard drive upgrade, of course) still automatically skips commercials. They aren't taking away features I bought, and I appreciate it.
3. There's no pop-up advertisements like Tivo has. There just isn't the money in doing stuff like that because the user base is so small (but the development effort doesn't get cheaper as a result).
You can see some of the same stuff happening with Apple. The Macintosh has, lately, demonstrated less enthusiasm about adopting the various DRM flavor of the month technologies that the Windows PC has. This is in part because there isn't the same level of scrutiny, and also because the development effort of adding that stuff doesn't amortize across the user base as well. I'm sure there are other 'do no evil' type considerations and whatnot, but money is the real motive power to be reckoned with.
I sometimes wonder what the implications are for the rest of society. Do I, the middle class anonymous guy have more freedom than the popular, rich people? Probably. There's no media scrutiny of my every move, if I had a T-mobile Sidekick, nobody would bother trying to break into it, I can post diatribes to slashdot without apologizing via a press release, and so on.
Just a thought on the trade offs between being comfortable and caged in the living room above versus being a bit cramped, but living the freedom that only the unknown can claim...
I wonder in the future if they will start to restrict any episode of a show that was released on DVD. It will be a move to make more money off of these shows by forcing a person to actually spend the money on the DVD instead of saving it on your Tivo or moving it onto your computer.
I love my SageTV. If you have the savey'ness, then build your own 'tivo'. I love my SageTV (Dual Tuners, Remote, etc.. 'love'en it).
MythTv is awesome too, from what I hear.
This just makes me even happier to have MythTV.
I mean, I understand why you can't play emulators or rip DVDs (that I bought) with Tivo, but now you can't even record TV shows permanently? I mean, isn't that the whole point of getting a Tivo in the first place?
I've had a tivo since shortly after they launched their service. I've been a beta tester for them on several occasions. I've sold many friends on the product, but no more. I'm closing my account as I type this. Go fuck yourself Tivo.
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Evidence of his noisy analog signal:
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SOURCE:
Discussion Thread from the tivo community blog
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.p
Pissedmonkey quote:
"And the real joke is that I'm using attenna reception, no cable, no satellite. (Yes yes, I know it doesn't make sense. I moved to the woods, and I'm 0.3 of a mile out of Time Warner's service area. Also, trees are too dense for satellite.)"
``Isn't this expected when you start broadcasting macrovision codes which are themselves manufactured errors in the data stream?''
Actually, no. I think you can get about any desired reliability by just making the signal sufficiently strong and sufficiently spread out. The fact that this didn't work out in this case shows that the implementation is either bad or BAD. In the first case, it can be fixed by TiVo. In the second case, it's likely that the users are screwed, because the big corps probably don't care that you can't copy even the shows that don't have the flag set.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
What makes TiVo a great product isn't its PVR functionality, it's the thoughtfully designed interface. This is something I don't think people who havn't used TiVo really understand. From the way it rewinds a little after you stop fast forwarding to the schedule tables, TiVo constantly does things that make me happy. It's like TiVo is my friend. This, I think, is the reason that so many people (myself included) are fanaticaly devoted to their TiVo.
I'm not saying MythTV doesn't have its benefits, but it certainly isn't a replacement for my TiVo.
If TiVo implements this, I'm throwing my TiVo out the door. I think TiVo is by far the best PVR out there, but I'd much rather settle for a less elegant UI and move to something like Replay TV. Replay TV has got some pretty sweet features of it's own and I was considering it as my next DVR but I really do (or did anyway) love my TiVo.
It was an interesting read, but not really newsworthy, in my opinion. Mostly, it boiled down to "much ado about nothing". Sure, they support content protection flags. Right now, only PPV actively uses them. And the one example of misuse was the mistake of a local broadcast television station over the antenna signal. So, if they support content protection flags for analog signals, which can apparently be easily removed, what does it really matter to us? There's the potential for abuse, but until that happens, it's not a problem. Just keep a watch on it.
Because it's about grace. It really is about grace.
Wow, nice. Thanks for everything Mom and Dad, but you aren't worth my free time.
If you don't care enough to do tech support, what do you care about this latest TiVO development? I.e. why mention the trouble your parents would have with MythTV at all?
Well, I have been a longtime Tivo user. I hacked my series 1 box to add more space, and I bought a series 2 box pre hacked.
This initial incident seems to have been caused by a big that has highlighted a legitimate feature, but the cat is out of the bag now.
Here is my problem with this.
Tivo changed the way I watch TV, but perhaps it changed it more than they thought it would. I have no problem recording a show and not watching it for a few weeks, then sitting down on night and catching up on a months worth of new episodes. If the show gets dumped after 5 days, well, then I'm not going to see it.
So now, depending on the network's whims, my Tivo box may have just become much less usefull. I can tell you 2 things that I will NOT be doing.
1) Changing my TV viewing habits back to where I work around the shows schedule. There are precious few shows that I;m now going to rearrange my schedule around.
2) Buy another Tivo. I was considering replacing my lifetime service series 1 with a lifetime service hacked series 2 (waiting for HDTV), however, it looks like this will be much less useful than what I am used to having.
Sorry Tivo. It was a good run, but the other options are looking better and better all the time.
Eschew Obfuscation
Recently, however, I've taken another fstab at it using Gentoo. I've come to learn much more about Linux that I've ever understood, thanks to the crisp documentation and hands-on aspect of Gentoo.
Thus far, my experiences with building MythTV on Gentoo, with all sorts of crazy features (gaming, VFD text displays, universal remote support, PS2 gamepads, HDTV capture and TV output, etc) has been extremely positive.
My problem now? Spending absurd amounts of money modding the hell out of my MythTV box. I bought one of those dedicated Media PC cases, and am going crazy installing lighted pushbutton switches, rewiring my PSU to be like an XConnect, running neon lights all over the place, soundproofing the heck out of the machine. I've spent almost $2k on this box! But, it has Dual layer DVD-R, half terabyte of hard drive space, can record two HD channels, and looks more A/V than my A/V receiver! Buying a similar box from Sony costs about $1,200, which doesn't let you play games, run Windows apps via Wine, or have file sharing and version control services.
I'll take that over Tivo any day of the week for $2000, Alex! And now I don't have to worry about some product manufacturer farking around with my rights after I've bought a lifetime subscription to their service.
As for building DVRs without a fee, there are companies that sell pre-built MythTV boxes. They cost more than TiVo plus lifetime, though.
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For example, this summer I found out that my BIOS had an optional setting to automatically cut power if it thought the MB temperature was too high. The machine had been crunching on shows for months, but once the warm season arrived, it would mysteriously power down with no warning during long transcoding jobs. It took me a little while to figure out what was going on and turn off that option (the MB really wasn't getting all that hot; the threshold was just set way too low).
I've had video card driver I/O errors lock up the machine more than once.
Once an error at the Zap2it server caused the entire program guide database to empty out, so recording stopped until I reloaded it.
The latest screwup was somebody left the CD tray slightly open and then closed the front access door so the tray was stuck between open and closed. The kernel started logging millions of messages about not being able to access the CD drive. After a couple of days, it filled up the OS partition and MythTV stopped working.
MythTV has a lot of compelling features that make it worth it for me to maintain it, but I would never consider taking on the hassle of doing it for someone else. People tend to think that the shows they record are a high priority, so of course any problems have to be fixed NOW. It's bad enough answering to members of my own household when the thing starts messing up, much less handling the crisis for someone else on a phone help line.
Not only did they force you to purchase monthly service, they also spy on you aswell. When your tivo makes its daily call, its sends your remote control click log back to tivo. So they actually know you rewind on every racy scene. They say its anonymous, but on the same call it sends your credentials back so it can get the guide the data.
Have you ever been to a turkish prison?
ewww, you use EXT3? Why punish yourself? Try Reiser, XFS, or JFS.
I'm not trying to start a flamefest, but it seems that for everyone that says "ewww, you use EXT3" there is one that says "ewww, Reiser is teh suck!".
How does tivo records it's data, anyway? Some custom filesystem?
No sig
reiser4 has the most thorough and complete fsck tool I have ever had the pleasure to use. True it was an early alpha version, but nonetheless, it worked brilliantly to recover every last bit of data from my otherwise dead drive (Windows would not even let me mount the NTFS partition on it).
The fsck took almost an hour, but I had all my 300GB of data from that drive at the end of it, even though my dmesg was full of drive error reports.
Namesys has earned my confidence with their software.
I've got an old Ultimate TV box and I have yet to see a pvr (including TIVO) that comes anywhere near it.
The menus are much simplier to navigate, the +30/-7 second skip is perfect, the keyboard has a nice layout (A little bulky, but comes in handy for searches). Nothing else comes close.
Maybe it's just that we like what we are used to?
There's something wrong about selling a device to do something, and later limiting the ability of the device to do what it was designed to do.
My car can 'theoretically' go up to 240km/h. The damned thing has a governor/limiter installed in it that won't let the car go faster than 180km/h. Solution, get rid of the governor.
Why can't we do the same with the TIVO? It might be a gray area, but it's your device since you purchased it (not renting it), so you can modify it... or am I missing something?
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Ah, but 95% of in-store deals include a subsidy of some sort. Hence, why a replacement phone during a contract costs roughly what buying a non-contract phone outright. Part of the reason why you see companies like Circuit City turning the former retail space into rental for carriers is that they were being eaten alive on product line turnovers. That phone that would sell for $100 in the papers (e.g., Verizon's LG VX6000 was one I dealt with in retail) would actually cost the vendor $175 per unit to get; the service provider would then provide the vendor paybacks for each new contract activation. Elsewise, you got charged $250 for the handset outright.
After your contract expires and/or you buy the phone outright, you are indeed correct that the unit is yours to use. However, to say that cell phone providers in this country do not provide any form of subsidy in purchasing is patently false.
To be frank, if you're the kind of person who will take a one- to two-year-old phone and reuse it on another provider, your old provider would probably be glad to see you go as they couldn't milk you on a new handset with your contract renewal (unless, of course, you're on the $150/month business plan).
All in all, be sure to check the agreement you sign with a new handset purchase. You'll notice that a new contract with a new handset requires two signatures; take a minute and read the fine print before you talk about racketeering. "A sucker is born every minute" or some such.