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Wired Magazine Profile of Tim O'Reilly

An anonymous reader writes "Best-selling author Steven Levy has a new profile of techincal publisher Tim O'Reilly over at Wired." From the article: "... O'Reilly himself has operated for years under the radar. Most nontechies, if they know him at all, know him by the eponymous name of his publishing company. It has a 15 percent share of the $400 million computer-book market but casts a much bigger shadow. O'Reilly books tend to colonize entire sections at Borders and Barnes & Noble, their distinctive cover design as recognizable as the Tide circle on a box of detergent or the Apple logo on the lid of a PowerBook. In serif type over a glossy white background, there is the title, often naming a computer language or protocol familiar to codeheads and gibberish to everyone else (JavaServer Faces; Essential CVS; Using Samba, 2nd Edition). The illustrations are realistically rendered pen-and-ink drawings of animals."

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  1. Quality Lasts by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My O'Reilly _Programming perl_ book has survived unspeakable abuse for 10 years, without dropping a single page from its binding. While its content, layout and clarity of editorial is unparalleled in my three decades of paging through paper documentation, inviting thousands of hours of use. That's a quality product. Keep up the good work, Tim!

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    1. Re:Quality Lasts by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

      FWIW, the fortune at the bottom of the page on which I submitted these messages reads:

      "The camel has a single hump; The dromedary two; Or else the other way around. I'm never sure. Are you? -- Ogden Nash"

      while the _Programming perl_ book's colophon says "the animal featured on the cover of Programming Perl is a camel, a one-humped dromedary", then refers to "the one-humped dromedary and the two-humped bactrian". Even Ogden Nash could have learned something useful from that handy O'Reilly edition.

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    2. Re:Quality Lasts by tsm_sf · · Score: 1

      Ditto, and don't you just love the layout? Too bad they changed it later on...

      (ok, i'm just going to do this once.... O RLY?)

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    3. Re:Quality Lasts by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I've been using that same book as my Perl reference manual since 4.00something. I haven't felt the need to look at any revision since. I know my way around that edition, and it's as handy as the language itself, which is possibly the most useful open source program other than Linux.

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    4. Re:Quality Lasts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for sale: WWII French military rifle. Never used; only dropped once.

    5. Re:Quality Lasts by Comatose51 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      You know, ever since reading that book, I've come to this silly notion that there might be other books like it. That's very, very rare. Maybe C the Programming Language is close. Most other programming books just can't strike a balance between being indepth but also to the point. I was reading a book on WMI the other day and the author proceed to explain the history of WMI! He started with SNMP and then DMI, etc. then he explains why schema, etc. What I wanted wasn't until most of the way through the book and even that chapter wasn't very good. I ended up just Googling and found the one example everyone provides for creating WMI providers. The code was maybe 3 pages long but that's all it took for me to do what I needed.

      The Perl book was like those 3 pages with commentaries but for a few hundred pages instead. Even though Perl's philosophy is TIMTOWTDI, the book somehow manages to forsee any problems or questions that I would even up having as I read along. It gave a lot of details with useful examples but still managed to keep it all very central and never felt like he was straying from the topic. I got started on Perl with only some reading over dinner (I started, not mastered Perl at that point). Maybe it was Perl that made it so easy. I don't know. It was very amazing in retrospect. I still have that book and it was one of a small box of books I took with me when I moved after college even though I don't program in it anymore. That book is legendary.

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    6. Re:Quality Lasts by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think the "Camel" book, and Perl itself, are examples of successful products in general. They're products that are produced to meet people's demand for something, not a result of people's ability to produce something. In other words, give the people what they want, not just what you want to give them. The other O'Reilly books I've used, including _Unix in a Nutshell_, _Java in a Nutshell_ and other "Nutshell" books have all seemed to have that provenance. The K&R book, and C itself, as well. I think the "demand, not supply" design principle applies to all those products, and practically all the others I like.

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    7. Re:Quality Lasts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It's certainly legendary to me... I got my start with Perl while working as a student SA in college. My boss threw that book on my desk and said "We need a script written to do [this], and I think Perl would be a good language for you to write it in." I'd never heard of Perl, but I took the book home that evening, read it, and wrote the script the next day. About a year later I was maintaining the Perl FAQ. About two more years later, I was helping to write the second edition of the Camel. Eight years later, and every once in awhile a little check (now that Ed. 3 has been out for a couple of years, *very* little....) appears in my mailbox.

    8. Re:Quality Lasts by BerntB · · Score: 1
      My O'Reilly _Programming perl_ book has survived unspeakable abuse for 10 years
      Uh, ten years? (Looks inside cover at book next to monitor.)

      Go get the five year old third edition! If you have the 2nd, it is a big win.

      (1st Edition was better than the 2nd but too damn old to even consider.)

      While its content, layout and clarity of editorial is unparalleled in my three decades of paging through paper documentation, inviting thousands of hours of use.
      I really can't believe you're talking about the 2nd ed. Most people I've talk with assumes it was published under a too short deadline, or something. (It is a consolation that not even O'Reilly wins 'em all.)
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    9. Re:Quality Lasts by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I dunno - my Perl wisdom stipulates "if it works, use it". Maybe they changed that in a later edition, but I see no reason to change.

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    10. Re:Quality Lasts by larry+bagina · · Score: 1
      I left a couple of them in my car, in the sun, for too long. The plastic glue/binding stuff melted. Oops.

      My only real complaint is that they don't use TeX or LaTeX for the typesetting, but they generally look good enough.

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    11. Re:Quality Lasts by Varitek · · Score: 5, Informative

      An even better way of remebering - the capital letter that begins each word looks like that camel. A Bactrian has two humps, and a Dromedary has one.

  2. 15%? by jcr · · Score: 2, Funny

    That figure sounds awfully low. Are they lumping in all the "windoze wanker's guide to nose-picking on the intarweb" books in the same category or something?

    -jcr

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    1. Re:15%? by notasheep · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've worked in the computer book publishing market for a long time - the 15% share is because they're successful only in a very small segment of the market. In fact, you'll start seeing a lot more "Windoze Wanker" books out of them soon - they see MS products (and consumer titles) as the areas where they can grow their business. It will be interesting to see if the technical audience that has formed the O'Reilly core will remain faithful as they "dirty" themselves publishing "Windoze" titles.

      They're kind of the Apple of computer book publishers - even when they publish a stinker (and they do it not too seldomly) they'll get lots of glowing remarks from the O'Reilly faithful.

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    2. Re:15%? by deaddrunk · · Score: 1

      As long as they carry on producing quality titles for the whole technical arena who gives a toss if they also produce books for non-techies too? Anyone who falls out with O'Reilly over something that trivial deserves to have to do without some of the most excellent reference books around.

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  3. and Tim has a blog by acomj · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tim Oreilly has a blog...

    http://radar.oreilly.com/tim/

    the other posters are interesting as welll

    http://radar.oreilly.com/

    1. Re:and Tim has a blog by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Funny
      radar.oreilly.com

      Does he know about things which are about to happen, just before they happen?

    2. Re:and Tim has a blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats gotta be M*A*S*H reference.

      Really.

      It's gotta be.

    3. Re:and Tim has a blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silly boy ... radars don't predict, they detect things already happening before you can.

      I couldn't resist ;-)

  4. The "On Tim's radar" section.. by tcopeland · · Score: 1

    ...mentions, among other things, Ruby on Rails.

    Seems like Rails is turning up everywhere. One thing's for sure, it's one of the main reasons that RubyForge now has (and needs) five file mirrors!

    I'm working on a Rails app now that has both an XML-RPC front end and a web front end; it's been pretty fun to learn all the little ways Rails reduces the amount of scaffolding code in an application. Good times!

    1. Re:The "On Tim's radar" section.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gosh, is it me or are the Ruby on Rails folks starting to sound like Scientologists at the front door?

    2. Re:The "On Tim's radar" section.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it ain't just you.

  5. Couldnt we have found something better for the by j14ast · · Score: 1

    summery
    i mean we all know what they look like rather intimately
    The just had to be something informative in the artical
    so why not at least hint at that.

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  6. Tim O'Reilly is the genuine article by yagu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I accidentally met O'Reilly at a Linux conference in North Carolina a number of years back. We chatted it up about Linux, where we thought it might be going, what we thought Linux might say at the keynote address (turned out to be the year Linus said he would, "never, never, again write code to minimize memory to small memory machines...", a scary statement, but interestingly enough still to this day Linux is comparably resource thrifty), and small talk (not the language).

    He was soft spoken and unassuming. Somewhere in the course of discussion we introduced ourselves to each other. I remember walking away thinking what a nice guy, and an interesting coincidental name with the publisher. Yeah, it was the Tim O'Reilly, and I didn't figure it out until I saw him speak later that day. Wow.

    His presentation was low key, more about rallying the community than circling the wagons. Here was truly a man with a vision and understanding about the fabric of technology. Oh that the leaders of many more of our technology companies could be of his ilk.

    (As an interesting aside (to me), this was also the same conference at which I met ESR, same way, just striking up a conversation after a presentation. When time began to run out I told him I had to move along, I wanted to get to the Eric Raymond presentation. He smiled and let me go, telling me he'd see me there. LOL)

    1. Re:Tim O'Reilly is the genuine article by heavy+snowfall · · Score: 1

      What did you think of ESR?

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    2. Re:Tim O'Reilly is the genuine article by yagu · · Score: 1

      Very intense. Interestingly, just talking to him not knowing who he was I'm not sure I found myself necessarily agreeing with things he was saying. But interesting to talk to.

  7. Make Magazine is great by technoextreme · · Score: 1

    I have to say Make Magazine is great publication. It was horrendously slow to obtain a subscription but the information is valuable.

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  8. OReilly used to be the default, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the past, when I'd needed a book on subject X, I'd just go the bookstore and pick up the OReilly Subject X In A Nutshell or the Definitive Guide To Subject X. Lately, I've been burned by a few duds. The quality over at ora.com is slipping. Now, they're only producing something like two orders of magnitude more books than they were 10 years ago, but still, it makes me sad. They're on the same level as Wrox now. Not that there's anything awful about that, Wrox is pretty damn good, but they've lost the default go-to position, for me at least.

  9. My brush with greatness... by barfy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Was when I found Tim's business card at the Cafe In bldg 18 at Microsoft. It was like finding RMS *buying* a beer or something...

  10. I think most nontechies know him as someone else.. by Doom+bucket · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most nontechies, if they know him at all, know him by the eponymous name of his publishing company.

    If you asked my parents they would think of the loudmouthed guy with a TV show. I'm sure they've never heard of the publishing company... in any case not everybody who is "techie" knows about O Reilly, I didn't until about two years ago, or at least I was aware of the books but never bought one.

  11. No fanfare, just the real deal by FishandChips · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's very hard to make money out of publishing, so I guess the guy is a genius really. He's also got recognition. When I go into a shop I'll very likely buy the O'Reilly book out of the choices available because I know I'll get a solid number from a company worth supporting. So many other outfits are just faceless conglomerates owned by a monster toad somewhere. And with some topics, an O'Reilly book will be the only choice available anyway.

    There is some competition, I guess. My local Borders has some nice titles from No Starch Press in among the O'Reilly ones. Too bad there isn't one title on Debian from anyone stocked, though. It would be good to see more No Starch books. They're a little more hip and sometime a row of O'Reilly can look a bit staid.

    I once mail-ordered a book from O'Reilly and they sent me the wrong one. When I called them, they said they'd send out a replacement pdq (which they did) and told me I could keep the other, wrong one with their compliments. No need to inconvenience myself by returning it. It's a great book too. You have to respect a company like that.

    Still have all my O'Reilly books. They are really well put together unlike most these days.

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    1. Re:No fanfare, just the real deal by learn+fast · · Score: 1

      so I guess the guy is a genius really

      The secret is this: make consistently high-quality books with recognizable brand marks.

    2. Re:No fanfare, just the real deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not that you were any under obligation to return it; if a company sends you something that you didn't order, you don't have to send it back and they can't do anything about it.

      Though it's nice that they didn't try to pressure you into sending it back. It does make them look actually... y'know, human.

    3. Re:No fanfare, just the real deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My local Borders has some nice titles from No Starch Press in among the O'Reilly ones.

      NSP is a publishing partner of O'Reilly Media now. O'Reilly carries all of the NSP lines in their catalogs.

    4. Re:No fanfare, just the real deal by fireboy1919 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is some competition, I guess.

      Kinda...not really. The IT industry is full of bad books - REALLY bad books. There are so many new things coming out, and so people are trying to publish stuff as quickly as possible. With a few exceptions (such as, for instance document publishing languages and compiler tech), things change a lot.

      O'Reilly publishing has been the only company that delivers any kind of consistency. That's a really big deal, because all of the computer books sell for around $50! $50 for something that has 1% useful information and 99% stuff the author picked up on some website somewhere isn't worth it at all.

      When you first start learning a new technology, its really hard to tell which books are giving you fluff and which have good stuff that will actually help you. So you have to rely on someone else. Friends work out, but only to a point.

      Inevitably there will be some areas that you know more about than any of your tech friends, (or you know nothing and neither do they), and you have to trust strangers. I pay for O'Reilly books because O'Reilly stands behind the quality of them, and I can usually trust that I'm going to get a lot out of them.

      Oh, and for the tried and true commonly available areas - like perl 5, or html they've got some REALLY high quality gems.

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    5. Re:No fanfare, just the real deal by Numair · · Score: 1

      There is some competition ... No Starch

      O'Reilly handles distribution and printing for No Starch Press...

  12. O'reilly books... by ToasterofDOOM · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...are nothing short of incredible and life-saving. I use my Python Pocket Reference almost daily, and it has been an invaluable resource. O'reilly is, and should be, the first place to look for technical writing, and almost always surpasses the competition in quality, clarity, and accuracy.

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  13. Not as cool anymore, though. by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    O'Reilly didn't used to publish a lot of Windows-specific book titles. They were cooler back in the era when they mainly published books for the classic UNIX tools (i.e. SED/Awk, the multi-volume X Windows Reference series (which is a quite COMPLETE reference for X if you run it bareboned with good old TWM) and even some of the BSD manual volumes. Toward the end of the 90's geek-chic sort of damaged the whole scene. Now they publish comix.

    They do produce some of the best Windows-oriented books, of course. Actually almost the only ones worth purchasing. Lower screenshot-count (a fairly accurate measure of a Windoze book's worth) than many of the alternate publishers.

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    1. Re:Not as cool anymore, though. by DaveCar · · Score: 1

      I mainly knew of O'Reilly because of the de facto reference works for X during my degree in the early-to-mid nineties. As I recall I spent the mornings^Wlunch in the bar and the afternoons in class.

      Ah, those wasted afternoons.

      Can you spare a quarter?

    2. Re:Not as cool anymore, though. by AJWM · · Score: 1

      the multi-volume X Windows Reference series (which is a quite COMPLETE reference for X if you run it bareboned with good old TWM)

      Yep, amongst the first tech stuff O'Reilly ever published, as I recall. (Glances over at bookshelf...) The "Rainbow Series" (each volume a different color, no animals) takes up just shy of two feet of shelf space. The stuff on Motif and XView may be a little dated, but the rest is still invaluable if you're doing X Windows coding.

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  14. No dupes from Tim O'Reilly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe he could edit slashdot?

  15. Come on editors by lightyear4 · · Score: 1

    Spellcheck anyone? Come now, it really isn't all that difficult. (Techincal --> technical)

    1. Re:Come on editors by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Er, it's also not that difficult to correctly reply to the typo'ed summary itself, rather than to my spell-perfect comment. Ironic, no? I suspect your error came from crossing your replies to each of the summary and my comment, respectively.

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  16. I don't know the O'Reilly books very well by sight by elgee · · Score: 1

    I am far more familiar with the "XXX for Dummies" books.

  17. probably, but... by Infonaut · · Score: 1
    i mean we all know what they look like rather intimately
    The just had to be something informative in the artical
    so why not at least hint at that.

    I'm not sure I'd cast stones if I were you. ;-)

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  18. Re:I don't know the O'Reilly books very well by si by Koushiro · · Score: 1

    Surely you can't be serious! They're at least as distinctive as the Foo for Dummies books -- it's difficult to miss a book with the title in a big colored box, with a pretty animal woodcut underneath it.

    It's like picking up a book with "Don't Panic" printed in nice friendly letters on the cover and wondering what it could be...

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  19. Maybe you're trying too hard by lheal · · Score: 1
    I am far more familiar with the "XXX for Dummies" books.

    I think XXX sort of explains itself.

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    1. Re:Maybe you're trying too hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Vin Diesel can do it, anyone can!

  20. Harnessing Collective Intelligence by ubiquitin · · Score: 1


    Right on, Tim. Keep up the good work.

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  21. animals? Bah! by Bananatree3 · · Score: 4, Funny
    "The illustrations are realistically rendered pen-and-ink drawings of animals."

    How dare you call this man an animal! Don't you have any respect for fine gentlemen?!

    1. Re:animals? Bah! by game+kid · · Score: 3, Funny

      He looks gentle...but pair him with a needy wife (or a comparable Windows PC) and he's a rowdy outlaw biker.

      His face reminds me of Poe for some reason. I can imagine Poe running Red Hat, though While I wondered, nearly napping, what the hell this GNU GRUB thingy is doesn't seem like good poetry...

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    2. Re:animals? Bah! by my_haz · · Score: 1

      At the bottom of this page you will find the QOTD.

      A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of explanation. -- H.H. Munro, "Saki"

      Saki

      Seems to be the same Folk

    3. Re:animals? Bah! by kurosawdust · · Score: 1
      How dare you call this man an animal! Don't you have any respect for fine gentlemen?!

      So wait - if "Learning Perl" is the "Camel Book", shouldn't this edition of Running Linux be known as the "Chapbook"?

  22. Why wired is great by lightyear4 · · Score: 1

    I love Wired articles..they have a quality to them not found in most publications, you know? Now, I'd love to meet Mr. O'Reilly; he seems to be one of the few businessmen out there with the right worldview, even if it doesn't make him as much as the next guy. Makes me glad to see that such men still exist.

    1. Re:Why wired is great by DrZaius · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've had the pleasure of seeing him speak twice. The first time was around '99 at UBC at some sort of thing ActiveState was putting on. At that point it was just plain cool to see the guy who publishes all the excellent books I'd been buying.

      The next time was at the MySQL conference last April. After he did a keynote, I went up and talked to him. He had a few William Gibson references in his presentation. I asked him about that and we chatted for a few minutes. We exchanged business cards and that was about it. I was hoping to get him to sign his book of essays which I had picked up earlier at the conference, but I forgot in the middle of the conversation..

      As lame as it may seem, it was pretty cool to get to talk to one of my heros. He's quite the optimitic dreamer and does it without an invasive corporate vision.

      It's hard to believe that oreilly only has 15% of the tech book market -- 80% of my library is oreilly.

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  23. Not, pen and ink, but woodcuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The animals on the covers are not pen-and-ink, they are based on 19th century woodcuts.

    1. Re:Not, pen and ink, but woodcuts by DreadfulGrape · · Score: 1

      I love their Mac OS X German Shepherd....

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  24. O'Really! by snuf23 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I generally love O'reilly books and also get quite a kick out of the O'Really parodies. Everything from "Windows NT's Infernal Filesystem" to "Practical UNIX Terrorism". These are great t-shirts if just for the look on a fellow techies face when they read the title.

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  25. Tired by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    O'Reilly does seem to be a right-on visionary with a productive work ethic. I'm impressed that he's got 15% of the computer book market, with his high quality products. And his interviews have presented an articulate guy who's passionate about the right things, with a sharp BS detector.

    I'm not as enthusiastic about _Wired_, though. Ever since I first saw their prelaunch ads on SF buses in 1993-4, they've seemed like the _Omni_ mag of high-tech. Breathless marketing hype that's usually wrong about the implications of any tech trend they opportunistically hump like an Aibo on Marshall McLuhan's leg. I tried reading that insufferable windbag Nicholas Negroponte's book, _Being Digital_, compiled from his "prescient" _Wired_ endpaper columns. I had thought he guessed wrong whenever I read them in a crapper in the 1990s. In retrospect, they're not even good for toilet paper. And the rest of the magazine holds up just as poorly. Except for that terrific epic by Neal Stephenson about "the longest wire in the world". Even _Wired_ couldn't taint Stephenson, and apparently not O'Reilly, either.

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    1. Re:Tired by lightyear4 · · Score: 1

      Much agreed on Stephenson. I suppose like any publication, Wired depends most upon the quality of its writers. Granted, I don't subscribe; perhaps those articles I have read online were more the exception than the rule? At any rate, I have enjoyed what I have seen of the magazine.

    2. Re:Tired by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Most of their content I've read since 1997 has been on the Web, linked from someone's page selecting a story (like the one we're discussing). That stuff has been much more worthwhile than the print edition's overall quality since 1994, AFAICT. Now, if someone can link to a _Wired_ article describing how we'll all rely on our social networks to link to magazine content we'll prefer over the magazine's own editors' selections, the circle will be complete :). But I'd rather just read the original visions in McLuhan books, and their travesty reifications in Slashdot ;).

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    3. Re:Tired by Basehart · · Score: 1

      For around $20 you can get a years subscription to Wired. An amazing value. Pick up a copy next time you're at Safeways and fill out one of the blindingly bright yellow or orange subscription thingies :-)

    4. Re:Tired by Forum124 · · Score: 1

      Right now's it more like $10. I'm subscribed through 2007!

    5. Re:Tired by bandesk · · Score: 1

      I'm not as enthusiastic about _Wired_, though. Ever since I first saw their prelaunch ads on SF buses in 1993-4, they've seemed like the _Omni_ mag of high-tech.
      I can't stand Wired. I was an early subscriber. Then I noticed that their covers were making various CEOs out to be folk heros (didn't save the covers, I wonder how many have been indicted meanwhile?). Finally, they had Newt Gringrich on the cover. Esther Dyson did a gushing, fawning interview with him. They never mentioned that she was on his payroll at the PFF (Progress and Freedom Foundation). Half the articles were by what's his name Kristol or some such, explaining why we should privatize everything (he got his wish, look at the mess we're in as a result). I canceled my subscription, wrote a letter calling them National Review on Acid (which they never published). I never bought another copy.

    6. Re:Tired by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Bingo: Wired is SI Newhouse's way of making science fiction into real political and economic wealth. Dyson is a poster child: she's a fraud, running on the momentum of her brilliant physicist father. What a mess she made of ICANN, to the point where foreigners are demanding the US relinquish what was once universally respected fair administration of the Net. I wonder what McLuhan, their "patron saint", would say, if we could pull him out of the air like Woody Allen did ins _Annie Hall_. I think he'd say "why are they wasting all that paper?"

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    7. Re:Tired by MythMoth · · Score: 1

      Ironically I've found Make Magazine, published by O'Reilly, to be the very thing that I originally hoped Wired would be.

      I read a few issues of Wired and then stopped bothering. I read the first issue of Make and subscribed. Eagerly awaiting issue 4.

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    8. Re:Tired by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I lament the demise of _Mondo 2000_, and _Reality Hackers_ before it, when _Wired_ bit its mojo so hard that all its oxygen was sucked away. Really, where is the freakazoid tech mag to keep the fringe fired and informed? _The Resonance Project_ is gone, too, and don't you say "Slashdot"...

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  26. Here's a lit lighter to ya man! by the_skywise · · Score: 1

    Just add my name to the chorus that says O'Reilly's books rule. (Just in case he's reading this)

    They're one of the few tech book companies (the rest are long defunct) that I'll happily buy the book for without even skimming it to make sure it's not a BS "tech book" (you other "codeheads" out there know what I mean).

    Even when the book turns out not to have exactly what I need. I'm always learning something else about the subject that comes in handy later.

    So, again, SALUTE!

  27. SNR by Hans+Lehmann · · Score: 3, Informative

    As an engineer, I'll put this in engineering terms; O'Reilly books have a high signal to noise ratio. The amount of useful information that they contain per inch of shelf space is equaled by no other publisher, period.

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    09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
  28. He's getting bad karma from name association by programmerar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I always felt a reluctance to the O'Reilly book because I thought they were published by Bill O'Reillys publishing company (I'm not a big fan of Bill O'Reilly).

    I always saw those books and thought "hell no, I won't support that son of a b***h".

    After reading this story today I might actually tak a look at his books.

    1. Re:He's getting bad karma from name association by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. admit to total lack of knowledge
      2. explain that the reason was personal bias towards someone totally unrelated sharing a fairly common last name
      3. with a high UID hinting towards being a programmer then go on to say that one might (just might!) take a look at books that anyone even thinking of programming probably would have browsed in the bookstore no matter what
      4. get modded Insightful
      5. ???
      6. Profit!

      Mr. 915654 and whoever modded you up, please go away and stay away.

    2. Re:He's getting bad karma from name association by drxenos · · Score: 1

      How can you even conceive of calling yourself a programmer, and have never even heard of the O'Reilly books? That's like never having heard of Knuth's "The Art of Programming."

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      Anonymous Cowards suck.
    3. Re:He's getting bad karma from name association by programmerar · · Score: 1

      i've never read a single programming book so that might be why i'm not familiar with tim o'reilly. but i have heard of the books though, i never said i hadn't.

      never heard of knuth's book either, i'll look into that one.

      i program, therefore i call myself programmerar.

      how can you even concieve of calling yourself a doctor and be so condecending towards strangers.

    4. Re:He's getting bad karma from name association by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i program, therefore i call myself programmerar.

      I guess that's fair. After all, the rest of us are programmers. Someone who can't even spell the word of his supposed profession (or hobby, whatever) and even misspelled it as his alias, is probably better referred to as a programmerar than a programmer.

    5. Re:He's getting bad karma from name association by programmerar · · Score: 1

      what makes you so sure of what i'm trying to spell?

      i know how to speak your language, can you speak mine? if one day, you do learn to speak it, maybe you'll understand what my nickname means, and maybe you'll feel embarrassed that you posted such an ignorant, self-centered (american) comment.

      Anonymous Coward - we call those anonyma fegisar.....

    6. Re:He's getting bad karma from name association by programmerar · · Score: 1

      my god!! get a life... people like you are so depressing

    7. Re:He's getting bad karma from name association by chawly · · Score: 1

      You're going to look at Knuth's book ? If we're still talking about "The Art of Computer Programming", this is probably (in my opinion) not the place to start. There are three large, heavy volumes (and more to come ?) and they each present a detailed look at what is essentially a branch of a mathematical art form. If you're just starting out with books on this subject, you might want to try the O'Reilly books first - just to get the habit, so to speak. "The Art of Computer Programming" may come as a shock to you, sir, if you're new to this type of book. That would be a shame, since Knuth is really very rewarding - once you have the habit. Good luck, anyhow.

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      How many beans make five, anyhow ? ... Charles Walmsley
    8. Re:He's getting bad karma from name association by programmerar · · Score: 1

      good, thanks. i'll keep knuth in mind though as time passes.

    9. Re:He's getting bad karma from name association by chawly · · Score: 1

      Oh most definitely keep Knuth in mind - well worth a look - you might want to try to get a look at one of the volumes by asking at your local library. Of the three, I'd recommend "Sorting and Searching" if you wanted to borrow just one volume of "The Art of Computer Programming". "Sorting and Searching" is volume 3 of the series. If I may offer you another thought, I have a one volume - and it is a very slim (so not heavy) volume - book which was a great help when starting to try reading into programming, and which I still refer to once or twice a year. It is "The Elements of Programming Style" by Kernighan and Plauger (two rather well-known gentlemen of whom I'm sure you've heard). By the way, if you want to ask at the local library by, it may be useful to know that "The Art of Computer Programming" is published by Addison Wesley and "The Elements of Programming Style" by McGraw-Hill. Hope you have as much fun in this business as I do - it'll be difficult to have more.

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      How many beans make five, anyhow ? ... Charles Walmsley
    10. Re:He's getting bad karma from name association by programmerar · · Score: 1

      thanks for taking the time to tell me this. i have bookmarked these posts so i can refer to them later on.

      best regards! :)

  29. Good stuff by xgamer04 · · Score: 4, Funny

    This was a- good article, but -I keep thinking- some-thing's wrong with it. I just can-'t put my finger on it,- though...

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    When you look at the state of the world, how can you not become a radical, liberal anarchist?
    1. Re:Good stuff by Heembo · · Score: 1

      Tim books don't impress me. To wordy. I just want to get stuff done. I prefer the nutshell series - my fave, Hibernate in a nutshell, helped me rock and roll fast with OR/Java tech overnight.

      --
      Horns are really just a broken halo.
    2. Re:Good stuff by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

      Dude, WTF? Why are you replying with that to my comment?

      --
      When you look at the state of the world, how can you not become a radical, liberal anarchist?
  30. Wired by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Funny
    I'm not as enthusiastic about _Wired_, though.

    How can you not be stoked about Wired. After all, they were totally prescient about push media. They predicted that Castanet and Active X would RULE

    They're not about hype. They're all about keepin' it real!

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    Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
    1. Re:Wired by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      What's interesting about Wired predictions is that Castanet should rule, though it doesn't, and ActiveX should not, though it's still got a job. It's beyond hype: it's "delusion".

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      make install -not war

    2. Re:Wired by Reverend528 · · Score: 1
      By Kevin Kelly and Gary Wolf, with contributions from other Wiredstaff: Erik Adigard, Andrew Anker, Ed Anuff, John Battelle, Chip Bayers, John Browning, Jim Daly, Pete Leyden, Hunter Madsen, Oliver Morton, Spencer Reiss, Louis Rossetto, and Carl Steadman.

      Apparently, the entire wired staff wrote that article.

    3. Re:Wired by Infonaut · · Score: 1
      Apparently, the entire wired staff wrote that article.

      Wired doesn't like to fess up to it, but they devoted an entire issue (this was back when a full Wired issue weighed in at just under a metric ton) to push media. When that issue came out, I knew Wired had jumped the shark (actually, this was before that term appeared, but you get my drift).

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      Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
  31. Re:I think most nontechies know him as someone els by edremy · · Score: 3, Funny
    I have an O'Reilly t-shirt that I wear around here, and I've gotten comments from some of the local folks about being also being a huge fan.

    Sadly, they aren't talking about the computer books, unless the 50-year-old guy at the gas station counter is a laid off DEC guy.

    --
    "Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
  32. Re:I think most nontechies know him as someone els by kfg · · Score: 1

    Persse O'Reilly has a TV show?

    KFG

  33. O'Reilly's Travel Books by coaxial · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Everyone knows the high quality of ORA's technical books, but what about their travel books? I only know of them through the old ORA printed catalogs of the mid 90s. I've always assumed that the travel books would be to an equally high standard, but I've never actually seen one. If anyone has, I'd love to hear about them.

    1. Re:O'Reilly's Travel Books by tadghin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The travel books are not published by O'Reilly itself, but by another company I started called Travelers Tales. See http://www.travelerstales.com./

      I like to think they are pretty good - they've won lots of awards and get the same kind of glowing praise from their readers as our technical books.

      They aren't guidebooks per se, but rather collections of stories about places, to give you an idea of what the place is like before you go, or if you're just an armchair traveler.

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      Tim O'Reilly @ O'Reilly Media, Inc. 1005 Gravenstein Highway North, Sebastopol, CA 95472 http://www.oreilly.com
  34. Why kill a poor tree? by Heembo · · Score: 0

    Why do you really need a book? Nothing beats hacking around with code and just googling for issues that come up! Save a tree, don't buy books!

    --
    Horns are really just a broken halo.
  35. Bagging on "Wired".... by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, before I trash Wired too badly, I have to say that I had a subscription ever since issue #2, until some time around early 2000, when I finally decided it "jumped the shark" and wasn't worth the space it was taking up on my bookshelf, much less the subscription price.

    When it got started, I really enjoyed it. If nothing else, it seemed like most issues contained 1 really good interview with someone of importance in the tech. sector. It was the type of in-depth "we describe the person's character and workplace/home life in so much detail, you feel like you're watching this unfold on TV rather than reading" article, that really got them to make some statements that gave you insight into *why* they got where they were at that time, and where they thought their business was heading in the future. Plus, it had none of the editing you'd expect other mainstream rags would have done if they had conducted the same interview. (If the guy said "My main competitor fucked up!" - they printed it.)

    They also seemed to be strong in scooping other science and tech. magazines on news about a new invention or interesting implementation of an existing technology (especially in medicine and biotech).

    But it seemed like the combination of .com area millionaires, inflated I.T. salaries overall, and a tendency to glorify modern art and flashy/trendy doo-datd and gadgets poisoned Wired. The "fluff" became the "substance". The magazine got really thick in '99 with glossy full-page color ads for multi-thousand dollar designer watches, luxury cars and clothing. Then when it all came crashing down, the magazine went on a diet - losing about half of its thickness overnight. And quality never really came back..... You could comb a good article or two out of one, here or there. But it was best suited as something to download into your PDA for free using AvantGo, or via web links to specific articles of interest.

    1. Re:Bagging on "Wired".... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Captilaism is great.

      People's (read shareholder's) greed is the poison.

      Whenever something real good starts selling well (capitalism as a means of selection) there come the shareholder trying to sell less for more.

      I wonder what wouyld be of some monopolies if they, regardless of their humble origins, were able to evolve towards technical quality instead of marketing excel-lence.

    2. Re:Bagging on "Wired".... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, before I trash Wired too badly, I have to say that I had a subscription ever since issue #2, until some time around early 2000, when I finally decided it "jumped the shark" and wasn't worth the space it was taking up on my bookshelf, much less the subscription price.

      Does anyone else miss BYTE?

      I have friends who disparage it, but very few other IT / tech magazines were covering USB, FireWire, and Fibre Channel back in 1996 or so. It's very rare to get a whole bunch of smart people (e.g., Jon Udell) together in one place, and after the break up of the print edition they were scattered to wind.

    3. Re:Bagging on "Wired".... by cbgbstokyo · · Score: 1

      I subscribed starting with issue #3, and bagged it sometime around 1997 or 1998. Too much of the ridiculous libertarian ethos, too many profiles of CEOs (as others have said), too much gushing over ephemeral trends. I can't remember when I thought the magazine had finally jumped the shark, but surely the Zippies cover and accompanying article http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/covers1994.html was a true, frog-in-the-well bit of embarassment, both for the magazine and the person (i.e., me) who had to lug that stupid thing around on the trains for a week. Tunnel vision, indeed. I picked up the John Stewart cover issue while traveling last month--first issue I've bought in many years. Being part of Conde Nast hasn't done much of anything for the magazine content-wise, and it seems to have declined, in fact. None of the frisson of the first couple of years, barring a stupid geek cover or two.

      By the way, O'Reilly misunderstands the quote he offers from Wallace Stevens early on in the article. It's not the YES that cannot be broken, it's the PASSION for the yes that cannot be broken. A bit subtle, and it seems like he basically understands the thrust of Stevens' comment anyway, but let's get it right, shall we?

  36. Re:I think most nontechies know him as someone els by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1
    Maybe you're not a techie yet? O'Reilly publishes some of the most important books in the computer world. Unless the only books you buy are "How to program Visual Basic in 24 hours", how could you miss 'em?

    Come to think of it, I have somewhat recently moved to a small town, and the bookstores here are very poor for technical books, so I can see reasons why you might not have been exposed earlier. Pity!

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    "A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
  37. Quality: Addison Wesley, PTR by DavidNWelton · · Score: 2, Informative
    Some of the O'Reilly books are really good, especially the Perl one mentioned above, but over the years, I've found the composition of my bookshelf shifting from the O'Reilly manual/tutorial/reference style books to a broader range of things, including more "classics", many of which come from Addison Wesley and PTR (see below for a gratuitous Amazon-spamming:-). O'Reilly seems to produce books that are really good at covering "today's hot buzzword" well, giving you a good overview of the technology, and enough in-depth knowledge to get what you need done. However (and only time will tell if I'm right), this approach seems to produce books that have a more limited shelf life, compared to something like Knuth, K&R, SICP and the like. In any case, I love books...I'd buy tons of them if I had the money!

  38. Wumps (somewhat OT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the literary classic "One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish", Theodore Geissel describes "one-hump wumps" and "seven-hump wumps". For a few years, it has been a running joke between my daughter and me for her to say "Look, Daddy, a Wump!" whenever she sees a camel.

  39. Why waste energy ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whether or not a book makes sense depends on the problems you are facing. If it is a big topic and you are new to it I would say every good book beats hacking around and googling. And for your tree: Ever thought about the energy consumption of your computer ?

  40. "Over at wired" grrrr... by wamatt · · Score: 1

    Cutesy to the point of banality.

  41. An Email fromTim... by mindpixel · · Score: 1

    I once got an unsolicited email from Tim. He said, I am the guy who publishes the animal books, we need to talk...and we most certainly did. He is a pretty cool guy.

  42. Bactrian and Dromedary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the capital letter that begins each word looks like that camel

    Whoa, I didn't know camels could walk upright on two legs too!

    Well, I guess there is more than one way to do it.

  43. those distinctive covers use public domain art by jacobito · · Score: 2, Informative

    IP geeks may be interested to know that the illustrations on O'Reilly's covers are generally public domain works from the Dover pictorial archive. Dover Publications, if you don't know, is an invaluable publishing house that specializes in budget-priced literature and art books (especially clip art); many, perhaps most, of their publications use public domain material.

    (As an aside, you may also be interested to know that their clip art collections aren't entirely unemcumbered -- while the individual works are public domain, their collections are copyrighted derivative works, and they place limits on commercial use of art from their collections.)

    1. Re:those distinctive covers use public domain art by tadghin · · Score: 2, Informative

      While we began our animal covers using Dover clip art, we didn't end there. We now have a large collection of 19th century books containing original woodcuts (the same source that Dover used to build their collections). In addition, a number of the illustrations are contemporary. We have found people (notably Lorrie Lejeune) who were able to make pen and ink images that matched the woodcut style. See if you can identify the contemporary images without looking at the Colophon...

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      Tim O'Reilly @ O'Reilly Media, Inc. 1005 Gravenstein Highway North, Sebastopol, CA 95472 http://www.oreilly.com
  44. Re:I don't know the O'Reilly books very well by si by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    O'Reilly books began as "the animal books"... most people know them as the tech books with the animals on the front. The past few years, O'Reilly has expanded in to several other series beyond the animals, including the very successful Missing Manual series and the more recent Head First series.

  45. Some good stuff in Wired. by Civil_Disobedient · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm not as enthusiastic about _Wired_, though.

    There have been some diamonds in that sea of coal. As you mention later on, the article "Mother Earth Motherboard" was possibly the greatest technical/historical article ever written. Here's Wired's copy. Here's another. And another.

  46. Re:I don't know the O'Reilly books very well by si by borkus · · Score: 1

    I started out as a computer trainer at the time that the first in the Dummies series came out - DOS for Dummies. As much as the series is now rather overdone, I have to admit that Dan Gookin and IDG had come up with an excellent formula for regular folks to learn technology. Dummies' competition at the time were gargantuan software books by Queue and Wiley that often were padded with lengthy chapters of software esoterica. Instead, the Dummies books focused on how to get things done rather using specific software than enumerating all of the software's features. They then used a layout to make the books both readable as well as useful as a quick reference.

    I think O'Reilly has picked that up some tricks in their Cookbook series as well as the Head First series to a lesser degree. Both series use layouts appropriate for their respective audiences. As others have mentioned, O'Reilly has likewise been good at focusing on the essentials of a technology.

    Overall, I give kudos to anyone who can make computer technology more useful to human beings.

  47. Re:Ho Hum as he taps on his tum tum by chawly · · Score: 1

    Well lucky old you - you can obtain the paper version. It may come as a surprise to you but first, you ain't the only person in the world and second, some of the rest of the world's population - myself included - couldn't get a copy of "Wired" for neither love nor money. To presume to speak for those of us who live in the far-flung corners of the globe, we're quite grateful to the editors - for the obvious reason. To mention your wish for mod points, I'd need no mod points to treat your post as I think it should be treated. Small consolation .... if I rolled it up tightly I would be unable to .... why, put it in a bottle and kick it out to sea of course. I live about 120 miles from the coast and I lack the time. The thought of kicking this bottle any place else - and I do have at least one idea - seems equally impossible . Shame. And shame on you, you egoistical twit.

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    How many beans make five, anyhow ? ... Charles Walmsley
  48. True in a Nutshell by h0ss · · Score: 1

    No discussion of O'Reilly is complete without a link to True in a Nutshell. Enjoy.

  49. Tim O at Gnomedex by trygstad · · Score: 1

    I met Tim O'Reilly at Gnomedex in '03 (before Chris Pirillo went Hollywood on us Midwesterners and moved it to California) where he was speaking about Open Source. As he spoke I found a copy of a previous Powerpoint from a similar but not identical talk he had previously given, and updated to exactly match his Gnomedex talk. He graciously gave me permission to post the presentation on my blog and was a real pleasure to meet and talk to. He's a real down-to-earth guy. I'm told the other famous Tim in IT, Sir Tim Berners-Lee, is much the same way but I have not had the pleasure of meeting him. Anyway, I love O'Reilly's books, and their books by Jennifer Niederst, Web Design in a Nutshell and Learning Web Design, are the perfect books for my basic Web Design course.