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Sony Doing An End Run Around Its Own DRM

glassgnost writes "According to a story at CNN, Sony has an odd response to complaints from fans who have discovered they cannot import their CD content to an iPod. Individuals who complain to Sony BMG about iPod incompatibility are being directed to a Web site that provides information on how to work around the technology. In short, some labels appear to have been instructing customers how to defeat DRM -- which, IIRC, is a violation of DMCA." From the article: "For now, the copy-protected discs work only with software and devices compatible with Microsoft Windows Media technology. Apple -- the dominant player in digital music -- has resisted appeals from the labels to license its FairPlay DRM for use on the copy-protected discs. The DRM initiatives are generating complaints from fans, many of whom own iPods. The message boards of artist fan sites and online retailers are filled with complaints from angry consumers who did not realize they were buying a copy-protected title until they tried to create music files on their home computers."

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  1. Blaming Apple by powerpuffgirls · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Interestingly SonyBMG is blaming Apple for the lack of support.

    I think this situation is bound to happen, when your right hand doesn't know what your left hand is doing.

    1. Re:Blaming Apple by The_Quinn · · Score: 4, Funny
      From the Sony website:

      3. How can I get tracks I rip from my CD into iTunes and/or onto my iPod?

      Apple's proprietary technology doesn't support secure music formats other than their own and therefore the music on this disc can't be directly imported into iTunes or iPods.

      Sony BMG wants music to be easily transferable to any device that supports secure music. Currently, music from our protected CDs may be transferred to hundreds of such devices, as both Microsoft and Sony have assisted to make the user experience on our discs as seamless as possible with their secure formats.

      Unfortunately, in order to directly and smoothly rip content into iTunes it requires the assistance of Apple. To date, Apple has not been willing to cooperate with our protection vendors to make ripping to iTunes and to the iPod a simple experience.

      If you believe that you should be able to easily move tracks from your protected CD to your iPod then we encourage you to use the following link to contact Apple directly and tell them so. http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipod.html

      That said, while there is no direct support on the disc for iTunes or iPod, SONY BMG has worked out an indirect way for consumers to move content into these environments, despite the challenges noted above. If you'd like more information on how to move content to iTunes please CLICK HERE.

    2. Re:Blaming Apple by Gizzmonic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To be fair, Microsoft is at least willing to license the DRM. Apple refuses to do so.

      I guess we all just imaged that Motorola iTunes phone then?

      Apple is willing to license the DRM. Sony would rather use this incompatibility as a competitive advantage for its portable players over the iPod (Gee, we've never seen this strategy from Sony before have we?). Once again Sony fails to realize that you can't annoy your customers into buying their crap.

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    3. Re:Blaming Apple by timmyf2371 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      But to be even fairer, Apple shouldn't have to.

      The customers should be able to purchase a CD unencumbered with DRM'd files - I don't have any problems converting real CDs to MP3 on either PC or Mac.

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    4. Re:Blaming Apple by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If you believe that you should be able to easily move tracks from your protected CD

      Parse error on line 6: can't interpret "protected" applied to derivative of trademarked name "compact disc".

      There is no such thing. If it's copy-protected, it's not a CD. Simple as that, really.

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    5. Re:Blaming Apple by GweeDo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Use the Apple iPod/iTunes feedback form to tell Apple you THANK THEM for not support SonyBMG's copy protection. The more pissed off iPod owners the better. There are more and more of them everyday.

    6. Re:Blaming Apple by stinerman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Incorrect (but I know what you're trying to say).

      It is certainly a CD so long as its 120mm in diameter and all the other usual disc-shaped properties. It is NOT an audio cd as it doesn't adhere to the Red Book audio CD standard.

    7. Re:Blaming Apple by jrockway · · Score: 4, Informative

      I actually did this :) When iPod-owners can't buy your music, you lose. Fuck you, record companies. You're not in control anymore.

      Technically, though, FairPlay won't even work when distributing CDs. FairPlay works by encrypting the song with the iPod's key. When the CD is pressed, they obviously don't know the key to your iPod. So this isn't even possible.

      Actually, when you download a song from iTMS, YOUR computer applies the DRM to a clean copy it gets from iTMS. Running tcpdump and reassembling the file results in a non-DRM'd file. FairPlay, like all DRM, is a joke.

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    8. Re:Blaming Apple by Thing+1 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Well, if it's a violation of the DMCA, then perhaps one of us should call them up, listen to the voice that says "this call may be recorded for quality purposes" (which means "this call IS being recorded to cover our asses"). At that point you have permission to push record on your recording device, without notifying them (although this varies from state to state).

      So then get a recording of a support rep stating the web site, and then post it here for all to hear. One of us is an attorney, and will start a DMCA action.

      Of course, the victim is Sony, so the attorney will have a difficult time getting their client's agreement to pursue. But if the caller asked, "So, does this work for this other CD I have?" And Sony's rep answers in the positive, then the manufacturer of "this other CD" might have grounds to sue. And if the caller worked for the (other) manufacturer, it'd be even easier to turn this into a DMCA-killer event.

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    9. Re:Blaming Apple by Vengie · · Score: 3, Informative

      To use the compact disc logo, you must meet the appropriate spec. Check your local "protected" cd. It doesn't have the logo.

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    10. Re:Blaming Apple by The_Quinn · · Score: 3, Funny

      To be even fairer, customers shouldn't have to. The customers should be able to obtain CDs unencumbered with "prices" - I don't have any problems converting free CDs to MP3 on either PC or MAC.

    11. Re:Blaming Apple by Eunuchswear · · Score: 4, Insightful


      In short, DRM is never going to work on general purpose computers. So just stop trying.


      You underestimate the power of the dark side of the farce.

      The DRM guys have, like you, realised that DRM is impossible on general purpose computers. Their solution is not to stop trying, it's to get rid of the general purpose computer.

      Welcome to "trusted computing". I.e. soon your computer will trust microsoft/apple/sony instead of you.
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  2. Incorrect by waynegoode · · Score: 4, Informative

    The linked website does not provide information on how to work around the technology. It explains how to 'work with' the DRM software. This page on the website mentions the problem of playing their DRMed music on an iPod and directs you to this form that you are required to fill out to apparently be emailed instructions.

    1. Re:Incorrect by B11 · · Score: 3, Funny
      Yeah, because I'm about to email them with my info to let them know I'm circumventing DRM.

      Its not Apple's fault fot not getting behind their DRM, its Sony's fault for including it, although I guess they would argue its our fault for "pirating" their music in the first place. Like when pops you use to beat you mercilessly for disobeying him.

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    2. Re:Incorrect by jonbryce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It isn't a DMCA violation if they own the copyright. They can give people permission to copy the music onto their ipod, and they can tell people how they would prefer them to do it.

  3. I don't think it is a violation of the DMCA... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you tell someone how to circumvent the DRM to something in which you hold the copyright. The real question is, are you violating the DMCA if you are following those instructions to circumvent the DRM? And, if you are, would it be considered entrapment? None of this really matters since it would happen in the privacy of your own home, but it is an interesting legal riddle.

    1. Re:I don't think it is a violation of the DMCA... by rlandrum · · Score: 3, Informative

      "And, if you are, would it be considered entrapment?"

      Entrapment is a legal term used only when the other party is a law enforcement agency, I believe.

    2. Re:I don't think it is a violation of the DMCA... by Lux · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, that's incorrect. The DMCA does not have any exemptions for copyright holders trying to circumvent control mechanism to their own work.

      IANAL, but I did attend a talk held by one, and this is one of the peculiarities of the act that he pointed out. He gave a hypothetical example of database access controls. What if you buy a database, and put your own copyrighted work into it, but then your license expires and the DB locks you out using those access controls? Can you break the access controls to get your work back out?

      Not under the letter of the DMCA. But of course, this has not been tested in court.

  4. DRM by lilmouse · · Score: 4, Funny

    I told you so, but would you listen to me?

    Oh, nooooooooo, DRM will never cause problems for consumers, just a little harmless DRM...

    Time to bring in the Holy Hackgrenade, and blow the DRM into little pieces!

    --LWM

  5. Best advice: Bring 'em back by randalx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of circumventing the copy protections, I hope most are simply returning their cd. Obviously they only care about their bottom line and not the trouble they put their "consumers" through. It's the only way they might get the message.

    1. Re:Best advice: Bring 'em back by ewhac · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Agreed. Return it as defective merchandise.

      Copy protection is a product defect. It is an artificially-introduced capacity for failure that would not exist if it wasn't there. Intentionally selling defective merchandise shouldn't be tolerated.

      Schwab

    2. Re:Best advice: Bring 'em back by Alien+Being · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Let's all try to stop using the term "copy protection". It's "copy prevention".

  6. Apple should do what?! by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From TFA: The company, which has sold more than 13 million copy-protected discs to date, is urging people who buy copy-protected titles to write to Apple and demand that the company license its FairPlay DRM for use with secure CDs.

    How about you ("The Company") give the technology to Apple so that you don't lose their users as customers. How would you like it if Apple published on their website that said "Don't buy your company's CDs, they are incompatible with our technology and refuse to change it." You see, in this case, Apple is driving the market. Either conform, or lose customers.

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    1. Re:Apple should do what?! by sqlrob · · Score: 3, Funny

      Gee, I've been putting plain old MP3s on my iPod. Why does Sony need FairPlay to allow playing on an iPod?

    2. Re:Apple should do what?! by WiseWeasel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Fairplay doesn't have the capability to expire songs once you stop paying for the subscription. WMA's Janus extension is required for this functionality, which has the player check that you are supposed to have access to those songs each time you plug it into your computer, and expires songs after a month if you don't let it verify. While this nasty little system works, it introduces requirements that some may find objectionable. Simply licensing Fairplay isn't going to get you access to subscription-based content. Basically, if you want subscription content on the iPod, you're SOL, but you should have known that when you bought it.

      What's more interesting here is that Apple is turning down a potential revenue source (licensing Fairplay to CD distributors) for no other reason than what appears to be the belief that they have enough control over the digital music market to influence the direction of CD distribution as well. It seems they are making a stand to make copy-protected CDs impractical, hoping that distributors will instead keep producing standard CDs. Personally, I am very happy they are doing this, as copy-protected CDs are an incredibly stupid idea that only serves to inconvenience paying customers. I don't buy music from the big labels anymore, so I've never encountered copy protection, but you can be sure I would demand a refund if I was unable to use my purchased CDs as I see fit (within the confines of copyrights). Having Fairplay copies of the music on the CD as well wouldn't alleviate this problem, as I want to rip my CDs to MP3 format, in the bitrate of my choosing. In this case, Sony is clearly wrong, and they need to go back to making standard CDs if they want to sell to iPod users.

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  7. Why is it that Fair Use seems to be forgotten? by DustyShadow · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why are labels allowed to put this type of technology on albums and then say that they are not violating the consumer's fair use rights? I really don't understand why the fair use doctrine seems to have been thrown out the window lately. What would happen if someone took this to court claiming that their rights have been violated, not only by the DRM, but also by the DMCA?

    1. Re:Why is it that Fair Use seems to be forgotten? by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Fair use is not a right. Fair use is an excuse (a legally acceptable one) to do things that are outside your rights. When you invoke fair use, you automatically admit that the infringement did occur (but you can't be punished for it). If you can get around stuff and fairly use it, more power to you. But nobody's helping you with fair use.

  8. Text of the canned circumvention email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is it.

    Thank you for contacting Sony BMG Online.

    We appreciate your purchase of our CD and apologize for any inconvenience. Please follow the instructions below in order to move your content into iTunes and onto an iPod.

    [Macintosh] If you have a Macintosh computer you can copy the songs using your iTunes Player as you would normally do.

    [Windows] If you have a PC place the CD into your computer and allow the Sony BMG audio player on the CD to automatically start. If the player software does not automatically start, open your Windows Explorer. Locate and select the drive letter for your CD drive. On the disc you will find either a file named LaunchCD.exe or Autorun.exe. Double-click this file to manually start the player.

    TIP: If your CD does not contain either the LaunchCD.exe or Autorun.exe files, it may not be compatible with this iPod solution. Please reply to this letter for more information.

    Once the Sony BMG player application has been launched and the End User License Agreement has been accepted, you can click the Copy Songs button on the top menu.

    Follow the instructions to copy the secure Windows Media Files (WMA) to your PC. Make a note of where you are copying the songs to, you will need to get to these secure Windows Media Files in the next steps.

    Once the WMA files are on your PC you can open and listen to the songs with Windows Media Player 9.0 or higher (or another fully compatible player that can playback secure WMA files, such as MusicMatch, RealPlayer, and Winamp). You can then burn the songs to a standard Audio CD. Please note that in order to burn the files, you will need to upgrade to, or already have, Windows Media Player 9 or 10.

    Once the standard Audio CD has been created, place this copied CD back into your computer and open iTunes. iTunes can now rip the songs as you would any normal audio CD.

    Please note an easier and more acceptable solution requires cooperation from Apple, who we have already reached out to in hopes of addressing this issue. To help speed this effort, we ask that you use the following link to contact Apple and ask them to provide a solution that would easily allow you to move content from protected CDs into iTunes or onto your iPod rather than having to go through the additional steps above:

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipod.html

    Thank you for the opportunity to be of assistance.

    The Sony BMG Online Support Team
    CCKM


    This message and any attachments are solely for the use of intended recipients. They may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you received this email in error, and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email and any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachments associated therewith from your computer. Your cooperation in this matter is appreciated.

    Oops.

    1. Re:Text of the canned circumvention email by paulm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dear Customer,

          We are sorry that you are having problems driving the car we sold you without
      a steering wheel. An easier and more acceptable solution requires cooperation
      from the DOT to install tracks which your car can ride on and be guided to
      approved locations. To help speed this effort was ask that you contact your
      local DOT.

      Thank you for the opportunity to be of assistance.

      The Sony BMG Automotive Support Team

    2. Re:Text of the canned circumvention email by crimoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dear Consumer,

              We are sorry that you are having problems driving the car we sold you without a steering wheel but you were a complete sucker for purchasing such a vehicle in the first place.
              We realize that you have a choice when purchasing automobiles and are happy that despite our products' defects you still choose to buy them. Your sheep-like loyalty is appreciated.

      The Sony BMG Automotive Support Team

    3. Re:Text of the canned circumvention email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      When you stick one of these copy-protected CDs into your drive for the first time and let the Autorun program execute, it installs a device driver onto your PC. This device driver can recognize these copy-protected CDs and interfere with ripping, etc. This is why the CD will rip properly on Macs... they have no use for Windows autorun programs and device drivers.

      Anyway, if you've never put one of these CDs in your drive and let it autorun, then either (a) disable autorun or (b) hold down the shift key as you insert the disc to bypass autorun. You will then be able to rip it normally.

      If you've inadvertantly autoran one of these CDs (and had the device driver installed as a result), Google around for instructions on how to find and remove the device driver.

  9. Sony seems to be of two minds about this by Paladin144 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Remember this recent /. story? Well, there have been recent developments. Sony pulled the band member's post from the message board (man, you really sign away everything when you sign to a major label - even the right to express yourself, it seems). Then Sony had the embarrassment of doing a recall for the CD because some versions weren't allowing any copying. Now they're telling people how to get around the DRM after censoring the band's instructions for getting around it? Talk about flailing around in the dark.

    Personally, I'm glad Apple hasn't shared their FairPlay DRM scheme with the rest of the industry. It shows the RIAA what's like to be on the wrong side of a closed system. Now they know how we feel when we can't rip our songs to MP3s.

  10. Re:Has anyone received the reply? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yep, I recognised the symbol and used my coldplay album. They sent the directions instantly. The album doesn't say it's Sony though so I don't think it matters. I think the only real info you need is the email so they can you the directions. Excerpt. "Thank you for contacting Sony BMG Online.

    We appreciate your purchase of our CD and apologize for any inconvenience. Please follow the instructions below in order to move your content into iTunes and onto an iPod.
    If you have a PC place the CD into your computer and allow the Sony BMG audio player on the CD to automatically start. If the player software does not automatically start, open your Windows Explorer. Locate and select the drive letter for your CD drive. On the disc you will find either a file named LaunchCD.exe or Autorun.exe. Double-click this file to manually start the player.

    TIP: If your CD does not contain either the LaunchCD.exe or
                  Autorun.exe files, it may not be compatible with this iPod
                  solution. Please reply to this letter for more information.

    Once the Sony BMG player application has been launched and the End User License Agreement has been accepted, you can click the Copy Songs button on the top menu.

    Follow the instructions to copy the secure Windows Media Files (WMA) to your PC. Make a note of where you are copying the songs to, you will need to get to these secure Windows Media Files in the next steps.

    Once the WMA files are on your PC you can open and listen to the songs with Windows Media Player 9.0 or higher (or another fully compatible player that can playback secure WMA files, such as MusicMatch, RealPlayer, and Winamp). You can then burn the songs to a standard Audio CD. Please note that in order to burn the files, you will need to upgrade to, or already have, Windows Media Player 9 or 10.

    Once the standard Audio CD has been created, place this copied CD back into your computer and open iTunes. iTunes can now rip the songs as you would any normal audio CD.

    Please note an easier and more acceptable solution requires cooperation from Apple, who we have already reached out to in hopes of addressing this issue. To help speed this effort, we ask that you use the following link to contact Apple and ask them to provide a solution that would easily allow you to move content from protected CDs into iTunes or onto your iPod rather than having to go through the additional steps above:

  11. Instructions to sony customers by kweg · · Score: 3, Funny

    take a permanant marker and cross off this track...

  12. DMCRA to the rescue! by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Quoth the article: The DRM initiatives are generating complaints from fans, many of whom own iPods. The message boards of artist fan sites and online retailers are filled with complaints from angry consumers who did not realize they were buying a copy-protected title until they tried to create music files on their home computers.

    Enter the DMCRA, which, in addition to guaranteeing the right to circumvent copy prevention systems for the purposes of making non-infringing use of a work, also mandates that when companies put copy prevention on a CD, they also add an adequate warning to the case indicating that the CD may not work in all players.

    I didn't think that the DMCRA would actually get attention because of the warning label provision, mainly because I'm more interested on the circumvention for non-infringing use provision, but perhaps the warning label provision is the way to get music consumers interested in getting the DMCRA passed.

  13. the death of music distribution by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the internet is disruptive technology

    we don't NEED music conglomerates

    teenagers pick up guitars to impress chicks, not to become millionaires

    if in the future artisits don't become millionaires, do you really think people will stop making music? as if fame and women aren't incentive enough?

    and even then, in the future, bands will make their money the old fashion way: touring, stage appearances, and the ticketing that comes with that

    and the bootlegs, videos, of that appearance will be free, as well as their entire catalog

    so sell your stock in sony, and buy some ticketmaster stock

    because the internet has made the media cheap

    but there is still only one artist, and in meatspace, as opposed to cyberspace, the artist is a rare commodity, so you can still sell tickets

    who loses in this future world?

    nothing but the music distrubutors

    the fans, and the artists, win

    bye bye, dinosaurs

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  14. Are they trying to pull a fast one? by kizzbizz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Unfortunately, in order to directly and smoothly rip content into iTunes it requires the assistance of Apple. To date, Apple has not been willing to cooperate with our protection vendors to make ripping to iTunes and to the iPod a simple experience. If you believe that you should be able to easily move tracks from your protected CD to your iPod then we encourage you to use the following link to contact Apple directly and tell them so. http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipod.html"

    So, they are trying to convince me that the reason THEY are DRM-ing their CD's is because of Apple? Im sorry, but who do they expect will be convinced by this? We're not talking about Momma and Poppa Joe here who will be complining- this will be educated individuals from the internet generation. These people will easily be able to see right through this decieteful childsplay. This is a foolish act by Sony that makes them sound like even more of faceless evil megacorporation than they already do.

    1. Re:Are they trying to pull a fast one? by SlimFlem · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm so sick of all this blame-game bullshit being played by the music industry and I'm sick of all the crying and whining by the RIAA. This bullshit article tries to push the term "protected music" like it's doing something for you and making your life better but damn Apple for messing up my "protected music" experience. What the hell kind of shit is that? I don't want, need, or will never buy anyone's stupid ass "protected music". Please, it's all a bunch of shit. I don't miss wasting my hard earned money on cd's at all.

    2. Re:Are they trying to pull a fast one? by kizzbizz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It isn't reading comprehension problem- it's deceptive wordplay. Apparently, DRM is not a necessity- they devoted an entire website to explain to users how to circumvent it. Logically, the ONLY other reason they would want to implement it is to make a statement to Apple- Let us license, or your users cannot listen to our CD's. Then, they create a FAQ explaining to users that it isn't their fault they wont let their CD's play on Itunes, but Apples. I'm not arguing that its Sony's fault for taking this course of action- its their CD's, they can do what they want. But to paint themselves out to be angels and Apple to be the wrongdoers, thats just scummy.

  15. Silly consumers, you should have downloaded that! by _xeno_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Silly consumers, you should know better than to actually pay for the product, since it'll just be broken! You should just go download the song illegally over the Internet, because that gives you a working copy that you can use as you see fit.

    So, essentially, with DRM, Sony has succeeded in making the pirated copies of the songs more valuable than the real copies. Brilliant strategy.

    DRM always seems to work like that. All it accomplishes is making the "official" versions that much worse. How many people here have wound up downloading the "NOCD" versions of games that you paid for, simply because either the nuisance of having to swap disks was keeping you from playing, or because the copy protection actually crashed? I can't remember which game (C&C Generals?), but I remember I couldn't actually play a game recently because it's copy protection scheme actually would crash.

    I can only hope that eventually the media companies will realize that all this DRM stuff is simply taking value away from their product, not adding anything to it. Apparently their solution to piracy is to make the pirated product more attractive than their own. Then they wonder why the strategy isn't working. Hmm...

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  16. Re:Anyone actually get a response from Sony/BMG? by hosecoat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The method is actually:

    Step 1: return the cd for your money.
    Step 2: download the mp3 with p2p.

    Note: Step 1 may be omitted in the future.

  17. Millionaire artists by Infonaut · · Score: 3, Insightful
    teenagers pick up guitars to impress chicks, not to become millionaires

    But the artists who have become millionaires aren't exactly clamoring to change the system, are they? The power is in the hands of artists, but the small number of artists who have benefited by the current system are as a whole uninterested in changing it.

    The fact that you and I don't need media conglomerates doesn't mean that they'll disappear of their own accord. Until big-name artists start working for change, and legislation is passed to curb the music industry's excesses, the industry will use its considerable financial and political clout to resist change.

    The current music industry profit model is probably doomed, but the labels won't let it go away without a fight. They know they're middlemen, and they know that the Internet is particularly good at weeding out middlement. The problem is no matter how many times they get hit on the head with a cluestick, they still can't figure out a way to shift their profit model. Expect this fight to go on for quite some time before the music industry either is utterly destroyed or is forced to adapt to the new reality.

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  18. Re:Has anyone received the reply? by mr_shifty · · Score: 3, Informative

    Of course, that solution would be like so:

    1. Give the CD to a friend who uses a Linux or Mac machine, which won't recognize the autoplay app that hijacks Windows into seeing only the data section of the disc and not the audio section.

    2. Have that friend use their Linux box or Mac to burn a new CD of the raw audio files from your defective purchased -- er, "copy protected" -- disc, NOT the atrac or WMA files.

    3. Rip whatever you want, however you want from the burned CD.

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  19. Re:Has anyone received the reply? by toddestan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Even simplier:

    1. Disable autoplay in Windows, or simply hold down the shift key while inserting the CD into the computer. This prevents Windows from auto-installing that DRM crap.

    2. Rip the CD in whatever audio program you want (Audiograbber, iTunes, Winamp, WMP, whatever).

  20. anyone else...? by AdmiralWeirdbeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Think that they might as well have said:

            "sorry, we're right smack-dab in the middle of one colosal pissing contest with apple right now.

              Unless you want to go out and further support us by buying our inferior digital music player, you should just piss off and do what you were going to do anyways: burn a copy of the cd, then use that copy with itunes to put it on your stupid ipod.

              sure, you'll have inferior audio quality, but fuck you for going with our competitor. you're just lucky we're not suing you for it."

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  21. they're not telling people how to circumvent it... by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Read the canned response, it actually tells you to MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE DRM INSTALLED FIRST. Then they want you to install WMP 9 or 10. In other words, they are encouraging you to install their DRM.

    They're not telling you how to circumvent it, they're telling you how to GET IT.

    If it said to disable autorun and then use iTunes to rip it, then it'd be telling you how to circumvent it.

    It's all a scam to get you into their circle of people already using their DRM system. By then it's too late.

    Return the disc as defective. If you pay money for DRMed content, then the music companies will try to sell you more DRMed content. Our only hope here is to return every disc that has protection and hope the retailers stop stocking it due to the hassle. Then the music publishers will be forced to release it without DRM in order to get it on the shelf.

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