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Sony Doing An End Run Around Its Own DRM

glassgnost writes "According to a story at CNN, Sony has an odd response to complaints from fans who have discovered they cannot import their CD content to an iPod. Individuals who complain to Sony BMG about iPod incompatibility are being directed to a Web site that provides information on how to work around the technology. In short, some labels appear to have been instructing customers how to defeat DRM -- which, IIRC, is a violation of DMCA." From the article: "For now, the copy-protected discs work only with software and devices compatible with Microsoft Windows Media technology. Apple -- the dominant player in digital music -- has resisted appeals from the labels to license its FairPlay DRM for use on the copy-protected discs. The DRM initiatives are generating complaints from fans, many of whom own iPods. The message boards of artist fan sites and online retailers are filled with complaints from angry consumers who did not realize they were buying a copy-protected title until they tried to create music files on their home computers."

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  1. Blaming Apple by powerpuffgirls · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Interestingly SonyBMG is blaming Apple for the lack of support.

    I think this situation is bound to happen, when your right hand doesn't know what your left hand is doing.

    1. Re:Blaming Apple by The_Quinn · · Score: 4, Funny
      From the Sony website:

      3. How can I get tracks I rip from my CD into iTunes and/or onto my iPod?

      Apple's proprietary technology doesn't support secure music formats other than their own and therefore the music on this disc can't be directly imported into iTunes or iPods.

      Sony BMG wants music to be easily transferable to any device that supports secure music. Currently, music from our protected CDs may be transferred to hundreds of such devices, as both Microsoft and Sony have assisted to make the user experience on our discs as seamless as possible with their secure formats.

      Unfortunately, in order to directly and smoothly rip content into iTunes it requires the assistance of Apple. To date, Apple has not been willing to cooperate with our protection vendors to make ripping to iTunes and to the iPod a simple experience.

      If you believe that you should be able to easily move tracks from your protected CD to your iPod then we encourage you to use the following link to contact Apple directly and tell them so. http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipod.html

      That said, while there is no direct support on the disc for iTunes or iPod, SONY BMG has worked out an indirect way for consumers to move content into these environments, despite the challenges noted above. If you'd like more information on how to move content to iTunes please CLICK HERE.

    2. Re:Blaming Apple by WarwickRyan · · Score: 2, Funny

      To be honest, in Sony the right hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, let alone what the left hand is up to.

      Witness the huge number of completely different and incompatible memory card formats Sony keep making.

    3. Re:Blaming Apple by Scratched · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sony is ignorant to realize that the secure windows media format that they use on their CDs is also proprietary. Microsoft may have the majority market share, but they are still proprietary. Their secure wma format will not run on apple computers or on open alternatives, just the same as apple's secure format will not work with windows media player or an open alternative. Both companies are just being ignorant and childish tring to get their DRM format to come out on top, but I think that Sony is in the wrong on this occasion for trying to say that apple is not cooperating.

    4. Re:Blaming Apple by kalidasa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is fraudelent: they're not talking about "ripping" at all, but simply transferring their DRMed files.

    5. Re:Blaming Apple by Ahnteis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To be fair, Microsoft is at least willing to license the DRM. Apple refuses to do so.

    6. Re:Blaming Apple by Gizzmonic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To be fair, Microsoft is at least willing to license the DRM. Apple refuses to do so.

      I guess we all just imaged that Motorola iTunes phone then?

      Apple is willing to license the DRM. Sony would rather use this incompatibility as a competitive advantage for its portable players over the iPod (Gee, we've never seen this strategy from Sony before have we?). Once again Sony fails to realize that you can't annoy your customers into buying their crap.

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    7. Re:Blaming Apple by timmyf2371 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      But to be even fairer, Apple shouldn't have to.

      The customers should be able to purchase a CD unencumbered with DRM'd files - I don't have any problems converting real CDs to MP3 on either PC or Mac.

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    8. Re:Blaming Apple by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If you believe that you should be able to easily move tracks from your protected CD

      Parse error on line 6: can't interpret "protected" applied to derivative of trademarked name "compact disc".

      There is no such thing. If it's copy-protected, it's not a CD. Simple as that, really.

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    9. Re:Blaming Apple by GweeDo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Use the Apple iPod/iTunes feedback form to tell Apple you THANK THEM for not support SonyBMG's copy protection. The more pissed off iPod owners the better. There are more and more of them everyday.

    10. Re:Blaming Apple by stinerman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Incorrect (but I know what you're trying to say).

      It is certainly a CD so long as its 120mm in diameter and all the other usual disc-shaped properties. It is NOT an audio cd as it doesn't adhere to the Red Book audio CD standard.

    11. Re:Blaming Apple by jrockway · · Score: 4, Informative

      I actually did this :) When iPod-owners can't buy your music, you lose. Fuck you, record companies. You're not in control anymore.

      Technically, though, FairPlay won't even work when distributing CDs. FairPlay works by encrypting the song with the iPod's key. When the CD is pressed, they obviously don't know the key to your iPod. So this isn't even possible.

      Actually, when you download a song from iTMS, YOUR computer applies the DRM to a clean copy it gets from iTMS. Running tcpdump and reassembling the file results in a non-DRM'd file. FairPlay, like all DRM, is a joke.

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    12. Re:Blaming Apple by Thing+1 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Well, if it's a violation of the DMCA, then perhaps one of us should call them up, listen to the voice that says "this call may be recorded for quality purposes" (which means "this call IS being recorded to cover our asses"). At that point you have permission to push record on your recording device, without notifying them (although this varies from state to state).

      So then get a recording of a support rep stating the web site, and then post it here for all to hear. One of us is an attorney, and will start a DMCA action.

      Of course, the victim is Sony, so the attorney will have a difficult time getting their client's agreement to pursue. But if the caller asked, "So, does this work for this other CD I have?" And Sony's rep answers in the positive, then the manufacturer of "this other CD" might have grounds to sue. And if the caller worked for the (other) manufacturer, it'd be even easier to turn this into a DMCA-killer event.

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    13. Re:Blaming Apple by Vengie · · Score: 3, Informative

      To use the compact disc logo, you must meet the appropriate spec. Check your local "protected" cd. It doesn't have the logo.

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    14. Re:Blaming Apple by The_Quinn · · Score: 3, Funny

      To be even fairer, customers shouldn't have to. The customers should be able to obtain CDs unencumbered with "prices" - I don't have any problems converting free CDs to MP3 on either PC or MAC.

    15. Re:Blaming Apple by Jerom · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually in some countries (most of the EU AFAIK) copy protected CD cannot be sold as CDs and have to carry a warning.

      A lot of people stopped buying them since they often do not work in car CDplayers (generally those that also play MP3 CDs)

      Regards,

      J.

    16. Re:Blaming Apple by Eunuchswear · · Score: 4, Insightful


      In short, DRM is never going to work on general purpose computers. So just stop trying.


      You underestimate the power of the dark side of the farce.

      The DRM guys have, like you, realised that DRM is impossible on general purpose computers. Their solution is not to stop trying, it's to get rid of the general purpose computer.

      Welcome to "trusted computing". I.e. soon your computer will trust microsoft/apple/sony instead of you.
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  2. Incorrect by waynegoode · · Score: 4, Informative

    The linked website does not provide information on how to work around the technology. It explains how to 'work with' the DRM software. This page on the website mentions the problem of playing their DRMed music on an iPod and directs you to this form that you are required to fill out to apparently be emailed instructions.

    1. Re:Incorrect by B11 · · Score: 3, Funny
      Yeah, because I'm about to email them with my info to let them know I'm circumventing DRM.

      Its not Apple's fault fot not getting behind their DRM, its Sony's fault for including it, although I guess they would argue its our fault for "pirating" their music in the first place. Like when pops you use to beat you mercilessly for disobeying him.

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    2. Re:Incorrect by jonbryce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It isn't a DMCA violation if they own the copyright. They can give people permission to copy the music onto their ipod, and they can tell people how they would prefer them to do it.

    3. Re:Incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It isn't a DMCA violation if they own the copyright.

      Where in the DMCA does it say that? Sony isn't doing the circumvention themselves. Sony is telling others how to circumvent a copy protection mechanism. From the text of the DMCA, on its face it would appear Sony is in violation of the law.

    4. Re:Incorrect by HiThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As I understand the DMCA (IANAL) it is a violation to either create or distribute information about a way to circumvent the copy protection feature. This says NOTHING about who owns the copyrights.

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  3. I don't think it is a violation of the DMCA... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you tell someone how to circumvent the DRM to something in which you hold the copyright. The real question is, are you violating the DMCA if you are following those instructions to circumvent the DRM? And, if you are, would it be considered entrapment? None of this really matters since it would happen in the privacy of your own home, but it is an interesting legal riddle.

    1. Re:I don't think it is a violation of the DMCA... by heavy+snowfall · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The interesting thing would be this:

      • they're showing people how to circumvent their DMCA-protected anti-copying measures.
      • This results in them not being able to use the DMCA against anyone over this specific technology.

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    2. Re:I don't think it is a violation of the DMCA... by rlandrum · · Score: 3, Informative

      "And, if you are, would it be considered entrapment?"

      Entrapment is a legal term used only when the other party is a law enforcement agency, I believe.

    3. Re:I don't think it is a violation of the DMCA... by Karzz1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      This results in them not being able to use the DMCA against anyone over this specific technology.

      Ideally that would be the case however violations of the DMCA are criminal and as such are not regulated by the copyright holder. You may recall the case a couple of years ago where Adobe, with the cooperation of the FBI, had a Russian programmer speaking at one of the hacker-cons arrested under the DMCA for his speech (and software he had written for his company) regarding how to bypass the trivially weak protections on Adobe's ebooks. After the backlash by the general public, Adobe tried to drop the charges however the FBI was not only unwilling to do so, they refused to do so. I don't have links right now, but I am sure a fellow /.er could provide some more details.

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    4. Re:I don't think it is a violation of the DMCA... by Karzz1 · · Score: 2, Informative
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    5. Re:I don't think it is a violation of the DMCA... by Lux · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, that's incorrect. The DMCA does not have any exemptions for copyright holders trying to circumvent control mechanism to their own work.

      IANAL, but I did attend a talk held by one, and this is one of the peculiarities of the act that he pointed out. He gave a hypothetical example of database access controls. What if you buy a database, and put your own copyrighted work into it, but then your license expires and the DB locks you out using those access controls? Can you break the access controls to get your work back out?

      Not under the letter of the DMCA. But of course, this has not been tested in court.

  4. Violating the DMCA? by Quinn_Inuit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Even if that does violate the DMCA, only certain people would have standing to sue about it...mostly Sony. Anyone else getting a piece of the profits would, as well, but it's possible that their contracts surrender that particular right to sue to Sony. Also, the artists may be just as interested in Sony in getting around this particular manifestation of the law of unintended consequences, so they might not want to sue, either.

    Of course, if the artists' contract required Sony to put DRM on there (maybe from an extremely anti-file-sharing artist like Madonna), then they would probably have a breach of contract action against Sony. I'm not sure it would succeed, but I'll bet it'd survive summary judgment.

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    1. Re:Violating the DMCA? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2, Informative
      Even if that does violate the DMCA, only certain people would have standing to sue about it...mostly Sony. Anyone else getting a piece of the profits would, as well, but it's possible that their contracts surrender that particular right to sue to Sony. Also, the artists may be just as interested in Sony in getting around this particular manifestation of the law of unintended consequences, so they might not want to sue, either.

      In the US, DMCA is a criminal law; that means that disobeying it is a crime against the state, not against a copyright holder. You are prosecuted for circumvention, not for copyright infringement, which is a different (and private) legal issue.

  5. Has anyone received the reply? by soren42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since Sony wants a "proof-of-purchase" style form, has anyone with this issue completed the form, and received the response? It's be interesting to see how Sony is telling people to circumvent their technology.

    I'd fill it out myself, but it's been over a year since I bought any music that wasn't from iTunes. :)

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    1. Re:Has anyone received the reply? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yep, I recognised the symbol and used my coldplay album. They sent the directions instantly. The album doesn't say it's Sony though so I don't think it matters. I think the only real info you need is the email so they can you the directions. Excerpt. "Thank you for contacting Sony BMG Online.

      We appreciate your purchase of our CD and apologize for any inconvenience. Please follow the instructions below in order to move your content into iTunes and onto an iPod.
      If you have a PC place the CD into your computer and allow the Sony BMG audio player on the CD to automatically start. If the player software does not automatically start, open your Windows Explorer. Locate and select the drive letter for your CD drive. On the disc you will find either a file named LaunchCD.exe or Autorun.exe. Double-click this file to manually start the player.

      TIP: If your CD does not contain either the LaunchCD.exe or
                    Autorun.exe files, it may not be compatible with this iPod
                    solution. Please reply to this letter for more information.

      Once the Sony BMG player application has been launched and the End User License Agreement has been accepted, you can click the Copy Songs button on the top menu.

      Follow the instructions to copy the secure Windows Media Files (WMA) to your PC. Make a note of where you are copying the songs to, you will need to get to these secure Windows Media Files in the next steps.

      Once the WMA files are on your PC you can open and listen to the songs with Windows Media Player 9.0 or higher (or another fully compatible player that can playback secure WMA files, such as MusicMatch, RealPlayer, and Winamp). You can then burn the songs to a standard Audio CD. Please note that in order to burn the files, you will need to upgrade to, or already have, Windows Media Player 9 or 10.

      Once the standard Audio CD has been created, place this copied CD back into your computer and open iTunes. iTunes can now rip the songs as you would any normal audio CD.

      Please note an easier and more acceptable solution requires cooperation from Apple, who we have already reached out to in hopes of addressing this issue. To help speed this effort, we ask that you use the following link to contact Apple and ask them to provide a solution that would easily allow you to move content from protected CDs into iTunes or onto your iPod rather than having to go through the additional steps above:

    2. Re:Has anyone received the reply? by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Funny
      "We appreciate your purchase of our CD and apologize for any inconvenience. "

      Hey Sony! Think about what you're fucking saying here, jackholes!

      Obviously a strange new usage of the word "appreciate" seen only in the record industry. "The female praying mantis appreciates the male's sexual advances."

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    3. Re:Has anyone received the reply? by mr_shifty · · Score: 2

      Follow the instructions to copy the secure Windows Media Files (WMA) to your PC. Make a note of where you are copying the songs to, you will need to get to these secure Windows Media Files in the next steps.

      Once the WMA files are on your PC you can open and listen to the songs with Windows Media Player 9.0 or higher (or another fully compatible player that can playback secure WMA files, such as MusicMatch, RealPlayer, and Winamp). You can then burn the songs to a standard Audio CD. Please note that in order to burn the files, you will need to upgrade to, or already have, Windows Media Player 9 or 10.

      Once the standard Audio CD has been created, place this copied CD back into your computer and open iTunes. iTunes can now rip the songs as you would any normal audio CD.


      What a load of crap!

      So what they're saying is, copy those 128kbps WMA files off the data section of the CD, burn a low-quality bitrate audio CD out of those files to dump the DRM... and then RE-RIP even LOWER quality MP3 or AAC files out of them?

      Low quality encoded file -> decoded to lower quality CDA file -> re-ripped to still lower quality encoded file

      That's going to end up sounding like a chihuahua being molested by a cheese grater.

      What if you want to actually enjoy the music you put on your portable digital music player, and not listen to a low-level, tinny, distorted pile of shit?

      Screw that. This isn't a solution. A solution would be to send you instructions on how to get at the raw CDA files on the audio section of the disc, not how to burn and re-rip the already crapped-up WMA files on the data section.

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    4. Re:Has anyone received the reply? by mr_shifty · · Score: 3, Informative

      Of course, that solution would be like so:

      1. Give the CD to a friend who uses a Linux or Mac machine, which won't recognize the autoplay app that hijacks Windows into seeing only the data section of the disc and not the audio section.

      2. Have that friend use their Linux box or Mac to burn a new CD of the raw audio files from your defective purchased -- er, "copy protected" -- disc, NOT the atrac or WMA files.

      3. Rip whatever you want, however you want from the burned CD.

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    5. Re:Has anyone received the reply? by blarg52 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is completly automated reply. Here is an example: http://www.mailinator.com/mailinator/showmail.jsp? email=yvbvksjxxot&msgnum=0

    6. Re:Has anyone received the reply? by SlimFlem · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OMG!!!!

      What a load of horse shit! Hmmm, rip to jacked up low quality to begin with using a Sony player and MS technology, then create a jacked up low quality audio cd and then rip to even lower quality. Way to go Sony! But you know what, a lot of Joe users won't know the difference...which is sad. And the Joe user issue is one reason why this crap gets furthered along its ridiculous path.

      Basically, Sony has taken away the right of the user to play their purchased CD however they want to on whatever platform they want to with whatever software they want to. "Protected music"...give me a break.

      This might seem ridiculous, but this is like me buying a pair of shoes from Brand X and only being allowed to run on tracks built by Brand X or a love-buddy 3rd party Brand X track. Am I so wrong here? If I want to run on another track, then my shoes won't be as comfortable and support my feet as well!!

    7. Re:Has anyone received the reply? by toddestan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Even simplier:

      1. Disable autoplay in Windows, or simply hold down the shift key while inserting the CD into the computer. This prevents Windows from auto-installing that DRM crap.

      2. Rip the CD in whatever audio program you want (Audiograbber, iTunes, Winamp, WMP, whatever).

    8. Re:Has anyone received the reply? by Crunchie+Frog · · Score: 2, Funny
      That's going to end up sounding like a chihuahua being molested by a cheese grater.

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  6. How do the artists feel? by fragmentate · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd be interested to find out how many artists approve of DRM, and how many oppose it. Most of the names I see tossed about are has-beens, or never-heard-ofs -- I said most not all.

    Seems to me that an artist would want their art spread as widely as possible, since most of their money is made in merchandising, and touring. Name recognition is everything.

  7. DRM by lilmouse · · Score: 4, Funny

    I told you so, but would you listen to me?

    Oh, nooooooooo, DRM will never cause problems for consumers, just a little harmless DRM...

    Time to bring in the Holy Hackgrenade, and blow the DRM into little pieces!

    --LWM

    1. Re:DRM by deesine · · Score: 2, Funny
      Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."
      Just had to...still makes me laugh.
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  8. What "End Run"? by buckminster · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure why this article is written/titled the way it is. There doesn't seem to be any information on the Sony site about circumventing DRM.

  9. Interesting... by cesman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The big media companies want DRM and supported the DMCA. Now they have to break the DMCA to get around their own DRM. Please support the EFF http://www.eff.org/.

    Thanks,

    cesman

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  10. Best advice: Bring 'em back by randalx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of circumventing the copy protections, I hope most are simply returning their cd. Obviously they only care about their bottom line and not the trouble they put their "consumers" through. It's the only way they might get the message.

    1. Re:Best advice: Bring 'em back by ewhac · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Agreed. Return it as defective merchandise.

      Copy protection is a product defect. It is an artificially-introduced capacity for failure that would not exist if it wasn't there. Intentionally selling defective merchandise shouldn't be tolerated.

      Schwab

    2. Re:Best advice: Bring 'em back by Alien+Being · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Let's all try to stop using the term "copy protection". It's "copy prevention".

    3. Re:Best advice: Bring 'em back by mr_shifty · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, the correct term is not "copy prevention".

      This does nothing to stop people who really want to copy anything.

      The correct term is "bait and switch".

      "Hey! Here's a Compact Disc containing high quality digital audio tracks of your favorite songs! PSYCH! IT INSTEAD ONLY LETS WINDOWS USERS HAVE CRAPPY, DRM-INFESTED WMA OR ATRAC FILES! AAAAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!"

      People that buy these CDs have been suckered.

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  11. Apple should do what?! by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From TFA: The company, which has sold more than 13 million copy-protected discs to date, is urging people who buy copy-protected titles to write to Apple and demand that the company license its FairPlay DRM for use with secure CDs.

    How about you ("The Company") give the technology to Apple so that you don't lose their users as customers. How would you like it if Apple published on their website that said "Don't buy your company's CDs, they are incompatible with our technology and refuse to change it." You see, in this case, Apple is driving the market. Either conform, or lose customers.

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    1. Re:Apple should do what?! by Michalson · · Score: 2, Informative

      How about you ("The Company") give the technology to Apple

      Not to burst your Apple is glorious, evil record companies are to blame, but you've read that statement completely backwards. Apple owns FairPlay. Apple has refused to licence their fairplay protection to other companies so someone else can produce iPod compatible music (which is what Sony is asking to do here), and Apple has refused to equip the iPod with the freely licenced DRM the rest of the MP3 industry (players and online stores) are using.

      Even when it would be the one recieving the money, Apple has refused to allow any world other then the one in which iTunes protected music can only be played on an iPod, and an iPod can only play protected music from iTunes. So unless you're a fanboy who changes his opinion based on whose his buddies are, you'll want to correct that to be a demand for Apple to "give" their fairplay technology to Sony, so Sony can make music that is compatible with the iPod. Frankly I don't care for either one of those companies, but I do like to see some accuracy from the local fanatics.

    2. Re:Apple should do what?! by sqlrob · · Score: 3, Funny

      Gee, I've been putting plain old MP3s on my iPod. Why does Sony need FairPlay to allow playing on an iPod?

    3. Re:Apple should do what?! by WiseWeasel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Fairplay doesn't have the capability to expire songs once you stop paying for the subscription. WMA's Janus extension is required for this functionality, which has the player check that you are supposed to have access to those songs each time you plug it into your computer, and expires songs after a month if you don't let it verify. While this nasty little system works, it introduces requirements that some may find objectionable. Simply licensing Fairplay isn't going to get you access to subscription-based content. Basically, if you want subscription content on the iPod, you're SOL, but you should have known that when you bought it.

      What's more interesting here is that Apple is turning down a potential revenue source (licensing Fairplay to CD distributors) for no other reason than what appears to be the belief that they have enough control over the digital music market to influence the direction of CD distribution as well. It seems they are making a stand to make copy-protected CDs impractical, hoping that distributors will instead keep producing standard CDs. Personally, I am very happy they are doing this, as copy-protected CDs are an incredibly stupid idea that only serves to inconvenience paying customers. I don't buy music from the big labels anymore, so I've never encountered copy protection, but you can be sure I would demand a refund if I was unable to use my purchased CDs as I see fit (within the confines of copyrights). Having Fairplay copies of the music on the CD as well wouldn't alleviate this problem, as I want to rip my CDs to MP3 format, in the bitrate of my choosing. In this case, Sony is clearly wrong, and they need to go back to making standard CDs if they want to sell to iPod users.

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  12. Why is it that Fair Use seems to be forgotten? by DustyShadow · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why are labels allowed to put this type of technology on albums and then say that they are not violating the consumer's fair use rights? I really don't understand why the fair use doctrine seems to have been thrown out the window lately. What would happen if someone took this to court claiming that their rights have been violated, not only by the DRM, but also by the DMCA?

    1. Re:Why is it that Fair Use seems to be forgotten? by DigitalEmperor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fair Use only allows the end-user exemption from copyright law when the copying of the content is possible. The doctrine doesn't state anywhere that the content has to be made copyable.

    2. Re:Why is it that Fair Use seems to be forgotten? by Bent+Mind · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fair Use only allows the end-user exemption from copyright law when the copying of the content is possible. The doctrine doesn't state anywhere that the content has to be made copyable.

      But all content is copyable until you use the DMCA to prevent it.

      I've seen a few articles lately where certain artists have come out in support of fair use. My personal thought is that someone should put up a site that lists artists who are against fair use. This would make it easier to boycott their crap.

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    3. Re:Why is it that Fair Use seems to be forgotten? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative
      What would happen if someone took this to court claiming that their rights have been violated, not only by the DRM, but also by the DMCA?

      It would be summarily thrown out, since under US law "fair use" isn't a right, it's an affirmative defence.

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    4. Re:Why is it that Fair Use seems to be forgotten? by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Fair use is not a right. Fair use is an excuse (a legally acceptable one) to do things that are outside your rights. When you invoke fair use, you automatically admit that the infringement did occur (but you can't be punished for it). If you can get around stuff and fairly use it, more power to you. But nobody's helping you with fair use.

  13. Text of the canned circumvention email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is it.

    Thank you for contacting Sony BMG Online.

    We appreciate your purchase of our CD and apologize for any inconvenience. Please follow the instructions below in order to move your content into iTunes and onto an iPod.

    [Macintosh] If you have a Macintosh computer you can copy the songs using your iTunes Player as you would normally do.

    [Windows] If you have a PC place the CD into your computer and allow the Sony BMG audio player on the CD to automatically start. If the player software does not automatically start, open your Windows Explorer. Locate and select the drive letter for your CD drive. On the disc you will find either a file named LaunchCD.exe or Autorun.exe. Double-click this file to manually start the player.

    TIP: If your CD does not contain either the LaunchCD.exe or Autorun.exe files, it may not be compatible with this iPod solution. Please reply to this letter for more information.

    Once the Sony BMG player application has been launched and the End User License Agreement has been accepted, you can click the Copy Songs button on the top menu.

    Follow the instructions to copy the secure Windows Media Files (WMA) to your PC. Make a note of where you are copying the songs to, you will need to get to these secure Windows Media Files in the next steps.

    Once the WMA files are on your PC you can open and listen to the songs with Windows Media Player 9.0 or higher (or another fully compatible player that can playback secure WMA files, such as MusicMatch, RealPlayer, and Winamp). You can then burn the songs to a standard Audio CD. Please note that in order to burn the files, you will need to upgrade to, or already have, Windows Media Player 9 or 10.

    Once the standard Audio CD has been created, place this copied CD back into your computer and open iTunes. iTunes can now rip the songs as you would any normal audio CD.

    Please note an easier and more acceptable solution requires cooperation from Apple, who we have already reached out to in hopes of addressing this issue. To help speed this effort, we ask that you use the following link to contact Apple and ask them to provide a solution that would easily allow you to move content from protected CDs into iTunes or onto your iPod rather than having to go through the additional steps above:

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipod.html

    Thank you for the opportunity to be of assistance.

    The Sony BMG Online Support Team
    CCKM


    This message and any attachments are solely for the use of intended recipients. They may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you received this email in error, and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email and any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachments associated therewith from your computer. Your cooperation in this matter is appreciated.

    Oops.

    1. Re:Text of the canned circumvention email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These companies are mind bogglingly stupid:

      Once the standard Audio CD has been created, place this copied CD back into your computer and open iTunes. iTunes can now rip the songs as you would any normal audio CD.

      They are saying: take your crappy, damaged, DRM-encumbered CD, and make a "standard Audio CD" out of it. Then rip it normally. Well, WTF, why not just SELL STANDARD AUDIO CDs TO BEGIN WITH!!!! Idiots!!

      Please note an easier and more acceptable solution requires cooperation from Apple[.] To help speed this effort, we ask that you [..] contact Apple and ask them to provide a solution that would easily allow you to move content from protected CDs [..] rather than having to go through the additional steps above

      Dear Apple. Sony sold me a damaged disc that looks like a CD but really isn't. Can you please damage your products too, so they work together? I love products that cost more and do less!!

    2. Re:Text of the canned circumvention email by paulm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dear Customer,

          We are sorry that you are having problems driving the car we sold you without
      a steering wheel. An easier and more acceptable solution requires cooperation
      from the DOT to install tracks which your car can ride on and be guided to
      approved locations. To help speed this effort was ask that you contact your
      local DOT.

      Thank you for the opportunity to be of assistance.

      The Sony BMG Automotive Support Team

    3. Re:Text of the canned circumvention email by krack · · Score: 2, Funny

      Isn't Slashdot now guilty of DMCA violation for providing information on how to circumvent Sony's DRM of Sony's copyrighted, protected content?

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    4. Re:Text of the canned circumvention email by monkeyfarm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      PLEASE click that link and tell Apple NOT to do ANYTHING SonyBMG wants them to! Turn this around and shove it up Sony's ass!

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    5. Re:Text of the canned circumvention email by bedroll · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They are saying: take your crappy, damaged, DRM-encumbered CD, and make a "standard Audio CD" out of it. Then rip it normally. Well, WTF, why not just SELL STANDARD AUDIO CDs TO BEGIN WITH!!!! Idiots!!

      While I do agree with you I think their reason was to limit the quality of audio that makes it to the internet. Are the WMA files full CD quality? If you burn from their software is it just 128bps mp3 quality music? If so, then ripping the cd and sharing it would have a significant impact on the quality of the music.

      I'm not pretending to know what the quality is, I'm asking and sharing a thought. Please don't flame me for not knowing. I refuse to purchase such products in the first place.

    6. Re:Text of the canned circumvention email by crimoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dear Consumer,

              We are sorry that you are having problems driving the car we sold you without a steering wheel but you were a complete sucker for purchasing such a vehicle in the first place.
              We realize that you have a choice when purchasing automobiles and are happy that despite our products' defects you still choose to buy them. Your sheep-like loyalty is appreciated.

      The Sony BMG Automotive Support Team

    7. Re:Text of the canned circumvention email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      When you stick one of these copy-protected CDs into your drive for the first time and let the Autorun program execute, it installs a device driver onto your PC. This device driver can recognize these copy-protected CDs and interfere with ripping, etc. This is why the CD will rip properly on Macs... they have no use for Windows autorun programs and device drivers.

      Anyway, if you've never put one of these CDs in your drive and let it autorun, then either (a) disable autorun or (b) hold down the shift key as you insert the disc to bypass autorun. You will then be able to rip it normally.

      If you've inadvertantly autoran one of these CDs (and had the device driver installed as a result), Google around for instructions on how to find and remove the device driver.

    8. Re:Text of the canned circumvention email by D'Arque+Bishop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please note an easier and more acceptable solution requires cooperation from Apple, who we have already reached out to in hopes of addressing this issue. To help speed this effort, we ask that you use the following link to contact Apple and ask them to provide a solution that would easily allow you to move content from protected CDs into iTunes or onto your iPod rather than having to go through the additional steps above:

      On the other hand, the easiest and most acceptable solution doesn't require cooperation from Apple:

      DON'T PUT COPY-PROTECTION ON THE BLOODY CDs!

  14. Sony seems to be of two minds about this by Paladin144 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Remember this recent /. story? Well, there have been recent developments. Sony pulled the band member's post from the message board (man, you really sign away everything when you sign to a major label - even the right to express yourself, it seems). Then Sony had the embarrassment of doing a recall for the CD because some versions weren't allowing any copying. Now they're telling people how to get around the DRM after censoring the band's instructions for getting around it? Talk about flailing around in the dark.

    Personally, I'm glad Apple hasn't shared their FairPlay DRM scheme with the rest of the industry. It shows the RIAA what's like to be on the wrong side of a closed system. Now they know how we feel when we can't rip our songs to MP3s.

    1. Re:Sony seems to be of two minds about this by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sony's right hand, I'd like to introduce you to Sony's left hand... it's obvious the two of you have never met!

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  15. Instructions to sony customers by kweg · · Score: 3, Funny

    take a permanant marker and cross off this track...

  16. DMCRA to the rescue! by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Quoth the article: The DRM initiatives are generating complaints from fans, many of whom own iPods. The message boards of artist fan sites and online retailers are filled with complaints from angry consumers who did not realize they were buying a copy-protected title until they tried to create music files on their home computers.

    Enter the DMCRA, which, in addition to guaranteeing the right to circumvent copy prevention systems for the purposes of making non-infringing use of a work, also mandates that when companies put copy prevention on a CD, they also add an adequate warning to the case indicating that the CD may not work in all players.

    I didn't think that the DMCRA would actually get attention because of the warning label provision, mainly because I'm more interested on the circumvention for non-infringing use provision, but perhaps the warning label provision is the way to get music consumers interested in getting the DMCRA passed.

  17. Repeat After Me by mpapet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When you buy a CD you purchase the priviledge to play the CD in a manner that the record company approves. Repeat three times.

    Now, for every person that says "No way! The law says..." They may be right, but I submit that the music distributors (via RIAA) are training people to believe and behave according to the statement above and completely ingnoring the law. (not breaking, but pretending it doesn't exist) These laws in particular protect the rich from the poor.

    Whatever laws may say otherwise, I submit that a coherent challenge to this mission won't be happening because the resources required to do so are:

    -out of reach of nearly all the people consuming music.
    -lack of incentive on the part of the people with the resources to challenge the RIAA. They are most likely shareholders garnering a return or otherwise can pay the price without concern.
    -Mounting a challenge to this is likely to be criminalized outright because it's easy to label it "they just want to steal our music." (reminds me of the medical marijuana lobby)
    -Allowing a CD to be used for more than one purpose is bad capitalism. The owner wants to monetize every single use and the current political climate in the US encourages this.

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  18. administrator? by vijayiyer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To listen to the music on this disc, you need a PC with the following minimum system requirements:
    -
    -
    -
    - Logged in with Administrator rights

    why?

    1. Re:administrator? by EddWo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The copy protection scheme uses autorun.inf on the CDRom track to start a program which (after the eula) then injects a filter driver into Windows to prevent other Windows applications from reading the CDAudio tracks off the disk. The CDRom portion still contains the DRMed WMA versions of the tracks.
      You need to have Administrator rights to install new device driver on Windows.

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  19. the death of music distribution by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the internet is disruptive technology

    we don't NEED music conglomerates

    teenagers pick up guitars to impress chicks, not to become millionaires

    if in the future artisits don't become millionaires, do you really think people will stop making music? as if fame and women aren't incentive enough?

    and even then, in the future, bands will make their money the old fashion way: touring, stage appearances, and the ticketing that comes with that

    and the bootlegs, videos, of that appearance will be free, as well as their entire catalog

    so sell your stock in sony, and buy some ticketmaster stock

    because the internet has made the media cheap

    but there is still only one artist, and in meatspace, as opposed to cyberspace, the artist is a rare commodity, so you can still sell tickets

    who loses in this future world?

    nothing but the music distrubutors

    the fans, and the artists, win

    bye bye, dinosaurs

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  20. Are they trying to pull a fast one? by kizzbizz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Unfortunately, in order to directly and smoothly rip content into iTunes it requires the assistance of Apple. To date, Apple has not been willing to cooperate with our protection vendors to make ripping to iTunes and to the iPod a simple experience. If you believe that you should be able to easily move tracks from your protected CD to your iPod then we encourage you to use the following link to contact Apple directly and tell them so. http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipod.html"

    So, they are trying to convince me that the reason THEY are DRM-ing their CD's is because of Apple? Im sorry, but who do they expect will be convinced by this? We're not talking about Momma and Poppa Joe here who will be complining- this will be educated individuals from the internet generation. These people will easily be able to see right through this decieteful childsplay. This is a foolish act by Sony that makes them sound like even more of faceless evil megacorporation than they already do.

    1. Re:Are they trying to pull a fast one? by SlimFlem · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm so sick of all this blame-game bullshit being played by the music industry and I'm sick of all the crying and whining by the RIAA. This bullshit article tries to push the term "protected music" like it's doing something for you and making your life better but damn Apple for messing up my "protected music" experience. What the hell kind of shit is that? I don't want, need, or will never buy anyone's stupid ass "protected music". Please, it's all a bunch of shit. I don't miss wasting my hard earned money on cd's at all.

    2. Re:Are they trying to pull a fast one? by SlimFlem · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In other words, Sony is trying to pressure Apple into helping to further their own DRM bullshit. For this, I say f you Sony and applaud Apple. For one, in my opinion, Apple only has FairPlay simply to have allowed itself to get in the game. Now that's in and dominates the scence from both ends, why should they license their technology and help other's DRM crap get a bigger foothold. I see Apple's DRM/FairPlay only has a means to get into a market, dominate it and that's it. None of the greedy pig music labels would have let iTunes happen if Apple didn't have something in place. So try looking at these thing from a different angle. Apple is doing what it *has* to to dominate the digital music scene with its products and be #1, not trying to cut people off from using a product. Sony and others are simply trying to put in place as many restrictions on the purchaser as possible. I have other opinions on this subject, such as CEO Bronfman (Warner), but I won't repeat them here due to their pure ugliness.

    3. Re:Are they trying to pull a fast one? by kizzbizz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It isn't reading comprehension problem- it's deceptive wordplay. Apparently, DRM is not a necessity- they devoted an entire website to explain to users how to circumvent it. Logically, the ONLY other reason they would want to implement it is to make a statement to Apple- Let us license, or your users cannot listen to our CD's. Then, they create a FAQ explaining to users that it isn't their fault they wont let their CD's play on Itunes, but Apples. I'm not arguing that its Sony's fault for taking this course of action- its their CD's, they can do what they want. But to paint themselves out to be angels and Apple to be the wrongdoers, thats just scummy.

    4. Re:Are they trying to pull a fast one? by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm so sick of all this blame-game bullshit being played by the music industry and I'm sick of all the crying and whining by the RIAA. This bullshit article tries to push the term "protected music" like it's doing something for you and making your life better but damn Apple for messing up my "protected music" experience. What the hell kind of shit is that? I don't want, need, or will never buy anyone's stupid ass "protected music". Please, it's all a bunch of shit. I don't miss wasting my hard earned money on cd's at all.

      I hope you get modded all the way up, my friend. I worked in the music biz for a long, long time, and I have seen so many people getting screwed out of a reasonable reward for their actual "work" (meaning, reasonable rewards for learning their instruments, or writing songs, or engineering on a console)... just so the mob-run musician's "union" (what a joke, ask any musician)... or the greedy fucks that run the companies, and their lawyers, can live high off the hog. It makes me want to puke.

      Duke Ellington..(I can hear it now..."Who????"), said, "The purpose of the music business is to sell booze." He was like a fucking saint, and he played clubs his whole life, and he said that over 50 fucking years ago!... Meaning: All this greedy bullshit on the part of the "majors" did not start with "napster', or anything like it.

      The absolute best way for a musician to make anything like a real return on a lifetime of work, is to either sell a shitload of tee-shirts, on an endless tour, OR hope to fuck that one of his or her songs gets recorded by a big star, and sells like hotcakes (because the fraction of the songwriter's royalties, from the sales of the big star's version of the writer's tune, can't get grabbed by the label to payback against an 'advance', or inflated 'costs' associated with the writer's own original recording)...I am never giving another penny to those motherfuckers, ever.

  21. Silly consumers, you should have downloaded that! by _xeno_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Silly consumers, you should know better than to actually pay for the product, since it'll just be broken! You should just go download the song illegally over the Internet, because that gives you a working copy that you can use as you see fit.

    So, essentially, with DRM, Sony has succeeded in making the pirated copies of the songs more valuable than the real copies. Brilliant strategy.

    DRM always seems to work like that. All it accomplishes is making the "official" versions that much worse. How many people here have wound up downloading the "NOCD" versions of games that you paid for, simply because either the nuisance of having to swap disks was keeping you from playing, or because the copy protection actually crashed? I can't remember which game (C&C Generals?), but I remember I couldn't actually play a game recently because it's copy protection scheme actually would crash.

    I can only hope that eventually the media companies will realize that all this DRM stuff is simply taking value away from their product, not adding anything to it. Apparently their solution to piracy is to make the pirated product more attractive than their own. Then they wonder why the strategy isn't working. Hmm...

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  22. Strange and noble decision by Apple by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm surprised and impressed that Apple don't license FairPlay to companies that make crippled CDs. What most of those CDs do is have portion of CD-ROM-unreadable music tracks that still sort of play in a normal CD player, and then DRM-locked compressed versions of the same songs that you can copy to a hard drive or a music player. But the most common music players, iPods, can't read those files, because the only DRM they know how to read is FairPlay.

    If Apple wanted, they could get the crippled CDs out there all using FairPlay to DRM the compressed songs. It's strange they don't. You would think that this would give a further competitive advantage to their iPod line of players, as well as seeing to it that everyone is using iTunes for playback and FairPlay for DRM. Should Apple want to, all of these objectives would be within reach. The strange thing is that they don't seem to want to. Somehow they wait on the sidelines while the music industry seems to default to Windows Media DRM. This is a less useful format for the majority of customers, and with enough of it around, competitors to the iPod get a serious advantage.

    So my question is this: Why is Apple holding out on the licensing of FairPlay? Is it simply that they think crippled CDs are evil and they don't want to dirty their hands with it? Strange.

    1. Re:Strange and noble decision by Apple by tsotha · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So my question is this: Why is Apple holding out on the licensing of FairPlay? Is it simply that they think crippled CDs are evil and they don't want to dirty their hands with it?

      No. Apple controls the hardware and distribution for iPod users, and they like it that way. They want to break consumers of the habit of buying little discs of plastic.

      If buying music on a CD becomes a hassle because of the DRM it helps Apple. If music companies are forced to release only DRM-less CDs, it helps Apple because the music companies have to go through Apple to have DRM, something they desparately want. The only way Apple doesn't come out ahead is if they allow other companies a peice of the iPod pie.

  23. Re:Anyone actually get a response from Sony/BMG? by hosecoat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The method is actually:

    Step 1: return the cd for your money.
    Step 2: download the mp3 with p2p.

    Note: Step 1 may be omitted in the future.

  24. Apple's Strategy by DingoBueno · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is quite interesting. Although the e-mail blames Apple, I think the users don't really care. By not licensing FairPlay, Apple is really turning the heat on the record execs. Nobody wants a Rio when there's an iPod available. And rather than go through all that work to load the tracks on an iPod, perhaps some users would sooner download the material. For many, that would technically easier. Things certainly do seem to be shaping up for a battle as Apple really starts to flex. Seems like it has the masses backing it, not to mention the disgruntled artists.

    iTunes vs Big Music and Google vs Microsoft: surely an exciting 2006...

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  25. Millionaire artists by Infonaut · · Score: 3, Insightful
    teenagers pick up guitars to impress chicks, not to become millionaires

    But the artists who have become millionaires aren't exactly clamoring to change the system, are they? The power is in the hands of artists, but the small number of artists who have benefited by the current system are as a whole uninterested in changing it.

    The fact that you and I don't need media conglomerates doesn't mean that they'll disappear of their own accord. Until big-name artists start working for change, and legislation is passed to curb the music industry's excesses, the industry will use its considerable financial and political clout to resist change.

    The current music industry profit model is probably doomed, but the labels won't let it go away without a fight. They know they're middlemen, and they know that the Internet is particularly good at weeding out middlement. The problem is no matter how many times they get hit on the head with a cluestick, they still can't figure out a way to shift their profit model. Expect this fight to go on for quite some time before the music industry either is utterly destroyed or is forced to adapt to the new reality.

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  26. anyone else...? by AdmiralWeirdbeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Think that they might as well have said:

            "sorry, we're right smack-dab in the middle of one colosal pissing contest with apple right now.

              Unless you want to go out and further support us by buying our inferior digital music player, you should just piss off and do what you were going to do anyways: burn a copy of the cd, then use that copy with itunes to put it on your stupid ipod.

              sure, you'll have inferior audio quality, but fuck you for going with our competitor. you're just lucky we're not suing you for it."

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  27. Sony's perpetual anal-cranium inversion by Proudrooster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For me, I quit buying Sony Consumer Electronics after I burned my first mix CD and found that my Sony CD/DVD player wouldn't read burned CDs. About 2 years later, the consumer electronics division is cutting 10,000 jobs and facing a $2B(US) loss this year.

    Now the half of the house that sells CDs is trying hard to alienate it's customers by releasing CDs that can't be listened to on iPods. Earth to Sony, if you make your products unusable, consumers aren't going to buy them. In addition, the consumer economy is severely depressed due to energy prices and a really expensive war we are fighting in Iraq. Until these issues are resolved, consumers are going to spend less money on both electronics and content. Meanwhile, you probably shouldn't sacrifice the per CD licensing fees to the copy protection and DRM companies. Instead you should focus on superior products and profitability.

    Selling products in a free-market economy is a tricky thing. Good luck! Oh, and one more thing. We are all sick of the movie remakes, please innovate something new and interesting. Herbie, Bewitched, and now King Kong? Geeeeeez.

  28. they're not telling people how to circumvent it... by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Read the canned response, it actually tells you to MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE DRM INSTALLED FIRST. Then they want you to install WMP 9 or 10. In other words, they are encouraging you to install their DRM.

    They're not telling you how to circumvent it, they're telling you how to GET IT.

    If it said to disable autorun and then use iTunes to rip it, then it'd be telling you how to circumvent it.

    It's all a scam to get you into their circle of people already using their DRM system. By then it's too late.

    Return the disc as defective. If you pay money for DRMed content, then the music companies will try to sell you more DRMed content. Our only hope here is to return every disc that has protection and hope the retailers stop stocking it due to the hassle. Then the music publishers will be forced to release it without DRM in order to get it on the shelf.

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