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Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" Released

An anonymous reader writes "Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" has been released! Direct links for the US install iso or the US install torrent file." Update: 10/13 18:08 GMT by Z : Linux.com has a look at the release, in-depth.

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  1. released ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... or leaked?

    1. Re:released ... by ggvaidya · · Score: 4, Funny

      And it's not just the OS itself ... I've heard from certain "sources" that the source code for the entire operating system can be downloaded from them evil BitTorrent programs!

      Honest monopolists everywhere are cringing in their sleep ... somebody turn on the **AA-signal, quick!

  2. Why do we love Ubuntu by Your+Anus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OK. I give. What is so amazing about Ubuntu? Do they compile thier stuff with special options or have some whiz-bang installation program?

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    1. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by shadowknot · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nothing really special about it when compared to Debian except that it seems to form a more focused and complete desktop installation. I must admit though, whenever I have installed it it's been perfect for use as a desktop machine for just browsing the web/checking email etc. Wouldn't install it for development though. On the subject of the install it's just a (very very) slightly streamlined version of the stock Debian NCURSES installer.

    2. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by Enahs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Neither. The amazing thing about Ubuntu is that stuff just works, usually with little to no wankery.

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    3. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by cloudmaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It should be noted that "stuff" includes a nice, functional desktop with programs and associations and sound and a whole bunch of "just use it" kind of feel. On most hardware, it's really impressive how well it manages to just make everything work - especially when one's used to "the old days" (I first installed Slackware circa 1995 - things like X and sound didn't really "just work"). Even today, though, it does a better job of post-install stuff working on more machines than Windows, IMHO.

    4. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by Marc+D.M. · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you've used Debian, you'll understand why we like apt-get and synaptic. If you haven't, I say try it out for a week, and see if you go back.

      I originally arrived at the Ubuntu party back when "Warty Warthog" was the tune everyone danced to. I stepped in fresh from the Suse 9.0 party after being thrown out by bad Gnome support.

      When I arrived (after installing WW on a 3rd partition), I was greeted by a desktop that had all the gnome/mac-ish looking fonts and everything seemed to be just SIMPLE. No need to wade through 2000 menus to figure what is already installed. And no more YAST.

      Configuring the Synaptic thingy was easier this time than any previous experiences getting yast or yum/rpm to download packages and their dependencies. The closest I got to that on Suse was red-carpet/rug.

      Ignoring all the hype (as hard as it is), I use Ubuntu because it works (like everyone else says).

      I currently use Ubuntu "Hoary" as my main OS in daily work. I've been using it since the day it released. To upgrade I opened synaptic, changed the repository distribution labels from warty to hoary, hit save, hit the reload button, then click "mark all upgrades". After applying the selection, I switched workspace and went back to what I was doing before.

    5. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by emj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would say that ubuntu is perfect for developing, it leaves all the stupid configuring to the people who spend their life doing it and let us ordinary programmers not care about things those insignifaicant things. Since it commesout so often it's very seldom that you don't have an development library that you need, it somehow always seems to make it into the next version at just exatcly the right time.

      Now Ubunutu isn't very good on installing games, if you want to do that go with Gentoo which IMHO actally has the best installation procedures for commercial games (demos).

    6. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by elebrin · · Score: 5, Informative

      - Ubuntu is nice due it's quick install.
        - Features also tend to work immidately: I spent three months trying to get a TV tuner working in various Redhat/Fedora Core releases and it never worked properly.
        - The ubuntuguide is another great plus: it is possible to know very little about setting up a linux box, and get Ubuntu doing what you want it to quickly.
        - Debian package management (no more difficult then gentoo package management, without having to wait for it to compile)
        - 1 install CD instead of 3 to 6
        - A great community that makes this a distro one that anyone can eisily download, install, and set up; it is ideal for people who want to migrate, or even for more experenced people who don't want to spend 65% of their time maintaining the computer and the rest actually using it for work or play or whatever.

      Now, if they had mplayer packaged such that it installed, and played DVDs correctly without as much effort (i.e. getting the source from the developers and manually compiling it, not that this is difficult, but it should be unneccessary), I would be happier.

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    7. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by NicolaiBSD · · Score: 2, Funny

      The naked people artwork, obviously!

    8. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by SnowDeath · · Score: 2, Interesting

      People are much better off with ubuntu for transgaming IMHO. Things just work. That's nice. I futzed around with Gentoo on the desktop for months and even have it on a server. I wont be doing that again. It's always nice when you emerge -u system and networking completely breaks on a production server :/ Of course it was fixed in 10 minutes, but still very uncool.

      Gentoo *can* offer much better performance, however, most people that install Gentoo will never get a system more optimized or even as optimized as the default Ubuntu install will - or, if they do, they spent *huge* amounts of time trying to get things to work. Gentoo was a fun learning experience, but it is not a serious desktop or server distro.

    9. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by jc42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It just works.

      Not here. I have a several-years-old Dell box with an old RH installed, wasn't using it for much, so I decided to try Ubuntu. It seemed to be installing ok (though it's hard to spot error messages when they scroll off the top too fast to read). But when it settled down, all I got was a brownish-green screen with a typical pointer arrowhead in the center. That's all. It doesn't respond to anything on the keyboard, and the mouse doesn't move the arrow.

      This is with the "live" CD. I also tried the "install" CD. This did demo that the keyboard and mouse work with Ubuntu, as I could use both of them during the prelim parts of the install. I got as far as the part about partitioning the disk, and can't get past that. It insists that I partition the disk, but nothing it shows me makes any sense. No info about the disk that it wants partitioned, and no matter what I select, it just leads back to that first screen about disk partitioning. After a few times around each path back to that screen, I gave up.

      I suspect that they could use some filling out in their online troubleshooting stuff. I don't seem to find anything saying what to do when it behaves the way I see.

      One thing curious is its remark that it won't repartition if there's already a linux installed. There is one installed, the old RH system. But it keeps insisting that I do some sort of partitioning, and won't advance past that point, not even if I tell it to accept the partitions. That just bounces me back to the first page about partitioning.

      Anyone have a pointer to clues about installing it over an existing linux installation? Any way to say "wipe the disk and start from scratch"?

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    10. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by Aim+Here · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The major innovation of Ubuntu is that it has pictures of bright-eyed bushy-tailed cute young things holding hands and smiling at the camera on the homepage, after a few refreshing glasses of kool-aid, no doubt. Most Linux-based companies are very reticent about putting pictures of their userbase on the advertising propaganda, for very good reasons

      The Ubuntu folks seem to have have a similar corporate attitude to that Reiser dude or perhaps the MySQL people in their more touchy-feely moments, which may appeal to you, if you're the type of person who falls for bland and meaningless corporate platitudes written on glossy corporate brochures. Each to their own, I suppose

      Otherwise, it's just a friendly debian-based distro...

    11. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by Mjlner · · Score: 3, Informative
      "OK. I give. What is so amazing about Ubuntu? Do they compile thier stuff with special options or have some whiz-bang installation program?"

      It seems to me that you're not familiar with Debian. (?) Debian is a Linux distro which has often been praised for having very good software package tools, ie. tools you use to install software packages. Debian's APT was the first really good package tool, which is nowadays mimicked by eg. Fedora's Yum, but APT is still very popular and holds it's own against the alternatives. (APT is also available for Fedora, which IMO proves it's worth and popularity.)

      The long standing problem with Debian, however, has been a very slow release cycle for the stable branch, meaning that if you want to use the newest and coolest software, you need to use the testing or the unstable branch. Many users are reluctant to use these branches, because you can easily break your system by installing software versions that do not mix together well. Eg. installing a new version of a library (DLL) might break several software packages dependant on an earlier version of that library.

      Ubuntu leverages all the benefits of APT, but eliminates the problem with long release cycles by having two releases per year, enabling you to use the newest and hottest versions of all your favourite software. You don't need to wait for a new version to come out for longer than six months. This only in the rare case that the new version is released just after the latest Ubuntu release.

      Upgrading to the newest version of Ubuntu is also quite easy. You edit a config file to refer to the newest release, issue the commands apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and Bob's your uncle! Editing a config file might not be everybody's cup of tea, but I think there might bee GUI tools for this. I don't know, because I have no problems with config files.

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    12. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by CoderBob · · Score: 2

      Don't you mean on their homepage?

    13. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by noahm · · Score: 4, Informative
      OK. I give. What is so amazing about Ubuntu? Do they compile thier stuff with special options or have some whiz-bang installation program?

      The thing I love about Ubuntu (actually Kubuntu; I much prefer KDE) is that it takes this great framework provided by Debian and actually uses it. That is, for example, when you plug in a USB storage device, you don't worry about where it's going to show up in /dev or where to mount it or what groups you need to be in in order to access it. It Just Works, with the file manager opening up a window on you desktop showing the contents of the drive. Debian has all the necessary bits to do things like this, too, but none if it Just Works by default.

      It's just a really really well integrated system that works well. Somebody (Tim O'Reilley?) said that MacOS X made computing fun again. To me, (K)Ubuntu makes computing fun again.

      noah

    14. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by Waltre · · Score: 2, Informative

      " Any way to say "wipe the disk and start from scratch"?"

      I believe it gives you an option: Erase entire disk (hda...info), or manually edit partition table.

      You want the first option.

      See this osdir screenshot

      These fancy RH installs have messed with your mind :).

    15. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I first installed Slackware circa 1995 - things like X and sound didn't really "just work"

      I most recently installed slackware three months ago, and things like X and sound still don't "just work." But that's Slack - it's for people who know how they need to set up their box, and *really* don't want their Linux distro getting in the way of them doing that. Yeah, I'm lookin' at you, Red Hat.

    16. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by nazsco · · Score: 2, Funny

      Better marketing then those distros for filty hippies

    17. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by Orgazmus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I run a couple of low cost webservers on gentoo, and its really nice when you get it right. Steep learning curve tho.
      I also use it on my primary desktop and on my work-laptop, and it is a joy compared to many other distros. But im leaning towards trying ubuntu on my laptop now. If gentoo didnt take so much time to get right, it would be easier to just try it.
      If you are willing to spend some extra time working with your system instead of using all your time working on it, gentoo is really nice.
      If you want a good, stable and featureful linuxdesktop RIGHT NOW!!(+!!x10^25), ubuntu is a fine choice.

      Everyone have their preferences, but blowing off gentoo as a unusable desktop distro because you did not like it is a bit rude. There are many people who use it that way, and we like it :)

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    18. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by ajs318 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Certain packages can only be distributed in source code form for licencing reasons; mplayer is one of them {LAME and PINE also spring to mind}. Though it should be possible to build a deb file so as to include dependencies for the compilation environment itself and everything that mplayer depends upon {so the compilation is certain to proceed cleanly}; put the source code somewhere sane; and perform the actual compilation step from within the post-install script.

      This would finally make compiling from source as easy as installing a binary package.

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    19. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by xtracto · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hahaha mods, what are you smoking?? my comment was meant to be FUN. Insightful?

      I think the Metamoderation should allow to mod moderations as FUN lol

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    20. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by Ashish+Kulkarni · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Check out Automatix (Automated GUI installation script) posted on the EasyUbuntu forum. It installs all the nice-to-have extra software automatically. It's been updated to this release, and the number of posts has increased dramatically since I downloaded it this morning!! A list of what it does (copied from the post): Capabilities: 1) Installs multimedia codecs 2) Installs all Firefox plugins (java, flash, etc) (except Adobe reader and mplayer) 3) Modifies ALSA, OSS and ESD confs for duplex sound (solves most audio related probs on Ubuntu) 4) Adds midi capability to your Ubuntu box (NEW) 5) Installs RAR and ACE archive support 6) Installs skype 7) Installs Acrobat reader 7 and firefox plugin for the same. 8) Installs Gnomebaker (CD/DVD burning s/w for GNOME) 9) Installs gftp (FTP client for GNOME with ssh capability) 10) Configures Ctrl-Alt-Del to start up Gnome System Monitor (aka Windows) 11) Disables powernowd on laptops when they are plugged in 12) Installs DC++ and Limewire (file sharing progs) 13) Installs multimedia editors (Audacity (audio), Kino (video), EasyTag (ID3)) 14) Installs CD (goobox) and DVD (dvdrip) rippers 15) Installs Mplayer and mplayerplug-in version 3.05 for Firefox 16) Installs totem-xine, VLC and Beep Media Player (with docklet) 17) Installs Opera Browser 18) Installs Debian Menu (shows all installed applications) 19) Installs Bittornado and Azureus (Bittorrent clients) 20) Installs Avidemux 21) Enables Prelinking 22) Enables Numlock on (turns numlock on Gnome startup) 23) Installs Programming Tools (Anjuta (C/C++ IDE), Bluefish (HTML editor) and Screem (Web Development Env.)) 24) Gamepads (Makes USB gamepads work) 25) Totem and Mozplugger (Totem embedded with mozplugger) 26) GnomePPP (Graphical Dial up connection tool) (NEW)

    21. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by Knuckles · · Score: 2, Informative

      Difference being that with Debian Stable, they backport the security fixes. You are guaranteed that a security fix touches nothing else. And you are more or less guaranteed that it won't break anything.
      The same can't be said about MS service packs

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    22. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by rebelcan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's the part of the problem with Linux. If you have to go through all that just to get Linux to install, how is "the average computer user" ( ie, your grandma ) going to be able to install Linux?

      I'm not saying that Microsoft is a better choice ( use Linux at home, Debian/unstable ), but Linux still has a few things that need to be fixed before it's truly desktop-ready.

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    23. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by nutshell42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is there finally a way to change your monitor settings without using a text editor? Every Ubuntu I've tried set my monitor to some safe settings which meant unusable 60Hz (WinXP OTOH auto-detects the correct settings, SuSE gives me a dialog where I can choose vendor and model).

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    24. Re:Why do we love Ubuntu by kabz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Installing Windows is a total pain in the ass. Especially trying to get drivers installed. Don't get me started on the antics I had to get a wireless card running in an old Duron machine with XP Pro. Literally, it wouldn't work until you got the driver to blue screen. Then you had to reboot and 'race' to switch off the driver before it could bluescreen, and let windows start managing the card.

      People use Windows because it COMES PRE-INSTALLED.

      If people had to install a retail version of Windows, then install net card drivers, scanner drivers etc., GNU/Linux would have a much better chance on the desktop.

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  3. Something to do while downloading the ISO by cciRRus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You might wanna read the review on Ubuntu 5.10 Breezy Badger, while you download the ISO.

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  4. Wake me up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wake me up when the "Acneous Aardvark" version comes out, ok?

  5. Kubuntu is also out. by JabberWokky · · Score: 5, Informative
    It would be nice to amend the post to note that this means that Kubuntu "Breezy Badger" is also available. They are, after all, a matched set:

    http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php

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    1. Re:Kubuntu is also out. by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ditto for Edubuntu. I mentiod both, and a list of new feature highligts, in my submission, which got rejected. It would be nice if editors could add a reason for rejecting posts; it could help submitters write better stories in the future.

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    2. Re:Kubuntu is also out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      It would be nice if editors could add a reason for rejecting posts

      Some popular reasons include:

      • Too many informative links.
        Most Slashdotters can only handle failing to read one article at a time, or two at most. Expecting them to fail to follow five or six links in one article would be unfair.
      • Too early.
        It's not fair to slashdot a site before other people have had a chance to read it. Therefore, articles referencing events that happened less than a week ago will typically be rejected. This is "news for nerds", not "news as it happens", guys.
      • Unfamiliar material.
        Slashdotters don't want to read about new things all the time; they enjoy revisiting old favourites, too, sometimes as often as three times a day. The Slashdot editorial policy is based around satisfying this need.


      ...you know, I wish I thought I was joking.
  6. Upgrading by cloudmaster · · Score: 4, Informative

    The poster forgot the <a href="bash:apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade">direct upgrade link</a>. :)

    BTW, if you're looking for an easy to set up LTSP-based distro, Ubuntu's a good choice (IMHO).  The release candidates have been very good improvements over 5.04 - mostly in terms of (lots of) more subtle polish type things.

  7. So, when will ubuntuguide.org be updated? by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That site rocks. Got almost everything I could want set up very nicely. I probably won't even move up to 5.10 until Ubuntuguide is updated.

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    1. Re:So, when will ubuntuguide.org be updated? by anethema · · Score: 2, Informative

      For breezy they have made a faq based on ubuntu guide, but for breezy.

      http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/

      All the ubuntuguide goodness, just kept up-to-date :D

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  8. Don't like brown? by Marc+D.M. · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you're not a big fan of the Ubuntu brown default theme, check out the Blended metacity theme and the nuoveXT icon set. They definetly add a 2005.10 (modern day) feel to the system.

    Go Ubuntu!
  9. Upgrade working? by B5_geek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Will apt-get dist-upgrade update me to breezy or do I need to adjust my repos?
    OR is a fresh install needed because of the gcc4.0 update?

    what command can I type to see exactly what 'version' I am using right now?

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    1. Re:Upgrade working? by lord_rob+the+only+on · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not sure about ubuntu, but I'm pretty sure you don't need a new install given that ubuntu is based on Debian SID. You know, when I first installed Sid, packages were compiled with gcc 2.95. Then Debian team changed their default compiler to gcc 3.2 then 3.3 then 4.0. I've never had to reinstall Debian at all, just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. I've been using sid for more than three years now.

    2. Re:Upgrade working? by DoddyUK · · Score: 2, Informative

      Will apt-get dist-upgrade update me to breezy or do I need to adjust my repos?

      I adjusted my repos to Breezy (as opposed to Hoary) to be sure, although sudo apt-get dist-upgrade works fine for me. However, there's no repository for Breezy Backports yet, so leave your backports repo as Hoary.

      I'm sure the guys at Ubuntu would have figured that a fresh install would have given their users serious headaches (especially with a system as customised as mine).

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    3. Re:Upgrade working? by gers0667 · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you apt.sources file is fairly stock, then just change every reference of "hoary" to "breezy"...

      Then, just run sudo apt-get update, followed by sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. This takes a while, but once it is done, reboot to the new kernel and you are at breezy.

    4. Re:Upgrade working? by a.different.perspect · · Score: 2, Informative

      Open /etc/apt/sources.list and replace the instances of "hoary" with "breezy". Then run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. A big download later, and viola!

    5. Re:Upgrade working? by Knuckles · · Score: 4, Informative

      Read the instructions. You can fire up the GUI app named Synaptic, click "Repositories", "Edit", change "Hoary" to "Breezy", click OK, click "Mark Upgrades". No cmd line involved.

      Plus, in this case you don't simply apply an SP, you upgrade the whole OS and all applications. There's nothing even remotely comparable in Windows.

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  10. Anyone can install Ubuntu... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but will you do it at the top of a mountain? Check out the Extreme Ubuntu Install Challenge!

    "On October 2, 2005, two good friends and I hiked up Middle Sugarloaf Mountain in the White Mountains region of New Hampshire. But this wasn't your typical hike; this hike had extreme geek value. For at the top of the mountain, I was going to install Ubuntu Breezy on my laptop.

    To my knowledge, no one has ever accomplished such a feat in history. Probably, this is because no one would want to. I'd like to change that. Ubuntu geeks of the world, I challenge you - where can you install Ubuntu in an extreme environment? Has Ubuntu ever been installed on a skyscraper window-washing scaffold? On an active volcano? While standing on your head the whole time? Just think of the possibilities!

    When you have a laptop, a mission, and no sense of social shame, anything is possible. What follows is one man's story of hardship and triumph, as he scales a mountain to install Ubuntu linux..."

    1. Re:Anyone can install Ubuntu... by alexander+m · · Score: 2, Funny

      and of course the great thing about doing that at the top of a mountain is nobody can say "man, that guy needs to get out more" ;-)

  11. diet is important by rishistar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let this be a lesson - Keep your badgers away from beans!!!

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  12. this rocks by fak3r · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ubuntu has become my main desktop and laptop (iBook) distro of choice, beating out Gentoo last year. I just did a fresh install of 5.10 Monday on the iBook, and it's just so nice. On the workstation we've been tracking Breezy for about a month now, and the polish just keeps coming. Can't wait till they move on Daper, an am especially excited about it being supported for so many years; you can just feel the momentium.

    Use whatever Linux distro you like, but if you're looking for one to change to, give this a shot, there's a reason there's so much good press about this company.

  13. Cool.... by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Will I be able to just continue from the point I have been with the preview release? Anyone ran dist-upgrade and have it work yet??

    Ubuntu by FAR has been the BEST Linux distro for me. I just want to work on it I don't want to have to compile a bunch of crap (Gentoo anyone) or put up with RPM dependencies (SuSe, Fedora, Red Hat and Madriva). RPM based distros may have yum and apt now, but Debian based distros do it right.

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  14. Re:Live cd ? USB/Flash stick version ? by Swampy0007 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, if you insist on the livecds... Here is the x86 livecd or torrent. Here is the PowerPC livecd or torrent. Here is the AMD64 version and the torrent. Happy now?

  15. Also just released... by going_the_2Rpi_way · · Score: 4, Informative

    Other linux flavours released in the last 24hrs include:

    Piebox Enterprise Linux 3-U6, 4-U2
    Frugalware Linux 0.3
    Damn Small Linux 2.0 RC1
    B2D Linux 20051011
    PHLAK Beta 1 "Littleboy"


    So why are the "-buntu" releases getting all the buzz? It's the animal names, isn't it? And is it pronounced OOBOONTOO (orangutan for overhyped) or YOU-BUNT-TOO (a veiled baseball reference)?

    ;)

    1. Re:Also just released... by niteware · · Score: 5, Informative

      And is it pronounced OOBOONTOO (orangutan for overhyped) or YOU-BUNT-TOO (a veiled baseball reference)?

      Ubuntu, an African word from Zulu and Xhosa, is pronounced "oo-BOON-too".

  16. List of Mirrors by Znarl · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is a list of updated mirrors as the main site is very slow.

  17. Um, released. Some impressions on the changes by a.different.perspect · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm using it right now, and apart from a new splash screen that resembles the forums theme and the replacement of the GNOME foot with the Ubuntu logo in the top left corner, the most immediately obvious changes to the end user are the features introduced by GNOME 2.12. Namely, the menu editor, disks manager, clipboard daemon, Evince document viewer, drag-and-drop preview, type-ahead-find for Epiphany and GNOME's help browser, and so on. That stupid gedit focus bug is fixed. The switch from OpenOffice 1.1.3 to OpenOffice.org 2.0 (Beta 2) is a substantial one as well; xine 1.1 and AbiWord 1.1, unfortunately, were released too late Breezy's dev cycle and aren't included. Similarly, 5.10 has shipped with GStreamer 0.8, which is still unusable for video, so you'll want to install totem-xine over totem-gstreamer as soon as possible. Under the hood, Ubuntu is now using the 2.6.12 kernel, modular X.org and GCC 4.0.1. Ubuntu has also updated their ATI fglrx drivers to 8.16.20, which gives a significant performance boost (from crap to less crap) for those cursed with ATI cards.
     
    Overall, my end user impressions are that this is a worthy and welcome upgrade to my distribution of choice, but apparently I'm only really scratching the surface. According to the release notes, the major features of 5.10 are advanced thin client integration, an OEM installer, the Edubuntu project for deploying Ubuntu in schools, and Launchpad integration ("Launchpad.net is the new infrastructure that Ubuntu and its derivatives use for translation, bug tracking, sharing code patches, fixes and technical support."). So, in short, I like what I'm seeing, but what I haven't seen looks even better.

    1. Re:Um, released. Some impressions on the changes by ninjaadmin · · Score: 2, Informative

      sudo apt-get update followed by sudo apt-get dist-upgrade Would probably work better.

    2. Re:Um, released. Some impressions on the changes by TravisWatkins · · Score: 3, Insightful

      His idea of "unusable for video" is "doesn't play all my proprietary crap". This is a plugin problem, not a gstreamer problem. Also, gstreamer does releases like GNOME and the kernel, odd numbers are unstable. 0.9 will be 0.10 when it's finished.

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    3. Re:Um, released. Some impressions on the changes by TravisWatkins · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Namely, the menu editor, disks manager, clipboard daemon, Evince document viewer, drag-and-drop preview, type-ahead-find for Epiphany and GNOME's help browser, and so on."

      Actually, the menu editor is the one I wrote for Ubuntu. The GNOME one only lets you hide/unhide entries.

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    4. Re:Um, released. Some impressions on the changes by megan_of_wutai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, I think he probably means it can't play the video without skipping like crazy and dying often, the performance is many times worse than mplayer or vlc (or I suppose xine, but I don't use that). This being totem-gstreamer.

      Totem-gstreamer also sucks for audio. From personal experience, playing ogg vorbis results in it dying with a nice little dialog box (GStreamer encountered a general resource error) if you use the cpu for anything else at the same time. (this being a 700mhz P3, entirely adequate for the media with any other OS/player)

      It's typical horrible gnome bloat :(. I use and enjoy gnome, but this really is a framework that isn't ready for general consumption.

    5. Re:Um, released. Some impressions on the changes by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, it doesn't have modular X.Org - "X.org 6.8.2 with wider hardware support" (i.e., patches). X.Org 7.0 is still at RC0.

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    6. Re:Um, released. Some impressions on the changes by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, I think he probably means it can't play the video without skipping like crazy and dying often, the performance is many times worse than mplayer or vlc (or I suppose xine, but I don't use that). This being totem-gstreamer.

      No, it just doesn't play video. At least nothing I've downloaded - ever. Granted I'm using the RC version that's been updated to current, but still, I had to install MPlayer separately to even play MPEG videos. That's really not good enough for a user-focused distro - no pr0n == no good! I really like Ubuntu in almost every other respect, but the "out of the box" video support isn't good enough.

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  18. Release page slow.. by David+McBride · · Score: 4, Informative

    The release page is running very slowly; the official Ubuntu Bittorrent tracker (complete with copies of the .torrent digests) is here: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/

  19. Positioned for Education and Enterprise by stevenprentice · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think Ubuntu has a good future and now run it on my development workstation, laptop and server. But, what is more interesting are two big feature they added for Breezy that will make it easier for me to get my clients to consider switching over (including many commercial entities and a pro bono private school.)

    # Thin Client Integration: Ubuntu is the first distribution in the world to include deeply-integrated thin client technology. This allows you to deploy Ubuntu in large scale networked environments or, for example, in classrooms, with a lightweight Ubuntu image booting over the network. All Ubuntu management tools work for the thin client image as well as for the server.

    # OEM Installer Support This release of Ubuntu has special support for OEM hardware vendors. Ubuntu can be pre-installed and tested without configuring end user information. The user will be asked to complete that configuration (name, timezone and password) upon first startup.

    Think about it. If Canonical is successful in getting Ubuntu OEM'd with one of the bigger OEMs, this could be a huge success.

  20. Why is it so good? by xutopia · · Score: 5, Informative
    We always get that question whenever some story about Ubuntu comes out.

    • 1 CD (Freely sent to you by snail mail)
    • Most things are more stable than many other distributions yet is cutting edge
    • It is debian based which means that you can just send off one command to update everything
    • It looks nice

    Anything else you'd like to add?

  21. Next release... by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cunty Cat?

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  22. Question about the quality by codepunk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Now for a usability question, can it play mp3's out of the box? Does it include
    all the movieplayer codecs? If not because they are patent encumbered or restricted give me a frigging button to press that will install support for these. Hell it would take fifteen minutes max to build a gdialog installer with python to do this crap for me.

    From the ubuntu web site

    "If you add the debian-marillat repository to your Ubuntu sources.list (use testing/main), you can use Synaptic or apt-get to install MPlayer, lame, and other tools to deal with non-free formats like DVD and MP3."

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    1. Re:Question about the quality by muszek · · Score: 4, Informative
      Easy Ubuntu and does that stuff and more:
      • Add extra repositories for installing a lot of additional software.
      • Install multimedia codecs for reading all videos, musics and DVDs.
      • Activate the "audio preview" feature in Nautilus.
      • Install the most needed Firefox plugins: Flash, Java, Real, videos. Adds Microsoft fonts, GNOME's Firefox buttons, officials Firefox icons.
      • Install archiving support for RAR and ACE.
      • Install the most used peer-to-peer softwares: aMule (a clone of eMule) and Azureus (for Bittorent).
      • Install the Skype voice-over-IP software. (Warning: at this time Skype is not packaged for Breezy so install don't work)
      • MSN: Install AMSN cvs with webcam support.
      • Num lock: Active the num lock at system startup.
      • Replace the GNOME foot logo with Ubuntu's logo.
      • Install the NVIDIA or ATI driver for 3D support.
      (copied from their site)
    2. Re:Question about the quality by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If not because they are patent encumbered or restricted give me a frigging button to press that will install support for these.

      That's like asking the seller of water pipes "Well, if you can't give me drugs then give me a frigging map that'll tell me where to find it." There's such a thing as legal liability, and Ubuntu needs none of it. There's more than enough independent people willing to make that for them, there's no reason for them to endanger their project. Remember that unlike Debian or such there's someone with a decent bit of cash behind Ubuntu, and I'm sure they'd love to sue for it.

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  23. Re:Sweeeeett!!! by Swampy0007 · · Score: 2, Informative

    My friend, let me introduce you to Cedega and CrossOver Office. So what were you saying about Half-Life 2 and Microsoft Office not working again?

  24. Do I need to upgrade by CKnight · · Score: 2, Interesting

    or does my daily "apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade" cron job bring me in line with the new release?

    1. Re:Do I need to upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      First, double-check you have ubuntu-desktop installed, otherwise some new packages might be left out.

      Then you need to change your sources.list. Instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes. Just search and replace hoary with breezy, really.

      Then you'll need to apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade (not upgrade, which won't install new dependent packages - you'll get a message saying some packages have been held back). Make sure you look at the list of packages it's going to remove, just in case. Then...wait, and you should probably reboot as well :-)

  25. I think I'll hang on for Windy Stoat by iBod · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or some other flatulent mammal.

  26. Official upgrade instructions by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those upgrading from a previous release, instructions can be found on the official Ubuntu wiki.

    But yes, essentially "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" is it.

  27. My experince with breezy has been great so far by dmouritsendk · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been running the unstable/preview release for almost a month, and after resolving a minor DBUS problem i had right after upgrading, its been running extremely solid. The only noteworthy problem I've had is evince like to chrash when reloading/refreshing .dvi documents, this is really impressive for a unstable release IMHO.

    I've been using Ubuntu now for almost one year (I was seeking an open/free alternative to Gentoo), and since then it has become the only Linux flavor I run (well, that and debian for my server). Simply because it gives me the choice of choosing what I want to spend time on. Meaning, I'm not forced to read a multiple pages of documentation to get my digital camera to work, it just works when plugged in. And then if someday I'm like, "Hey, I wanna learn more about HAL/DBUS/whatever" I'm free to mess around with it.

    I know its like this with most distributions today, but since I'm a gnome user ubuntu is a perfect fit with their release schedule trying to follow the gnome one.

    The only remotely bad thing about Ubuntu is the documentation, not that the wiki isn't nice, its just no FreeBSD or Gentoo handbook ;-)

  28. upgrade instructions... by clayasaurus · · Score: 2, Informative

    sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list

    replace all references of 'hoary' with 'breezy'

    sudo apt-get update
    sudo apt-get upgrade

  29. Re:Pentium 3 by WWWWolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ::shocked that anyone would consider 1GHz computer inadequate for anything::

    I've ran a reasonably modern GNOME desktop on a P3-600MHz machine just smoothly without any problems, so I don't think you'll have any problems with a 1GHz machine. Unless you want to play Doom 3 or something.

    (I wouldn't consider even getting an operating system / GUI environment that needs whole gigahertz for itself. Would suck knowing that my 3000+ Athlon would chomp 1000 MHz just to run the OS =/ )

  30. Re:Pay attention to Ubuntu by Alioth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The names like Breezy Badger are just code names (like Longhorn and Whistler were). In the corporate environment, it could just be called Ubuntu 5.10.

  31. Re:A little late eh? by melandy · · Score: 2, Informative

    The only issue left is that it did not recognise the wireless card I have installed.. so I can't put it on the network yet.

    I installed Ubuntu on an old laptop a few months ago, and also ran into trouble with the wireless card. Mine was a linksys, and they didn't have a driver for Linux. I was able to use the Windows driver on Ubuntu using NdisWrapper. Assuming you are having similar driver trouble, this may work for you too.

    IIRC, NdisWrapper was on the install cd (you might have to apt-get or synaptic it to get it on your HD), so you shouldn't have to download it (which is good, since your card doesn't work yet ;^).

    Here's a link to the project...
    http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/

    Here's the install instructions on the wiki...
    http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index .php/Installation

    You'll also need the Windows driver for you card. You can get it off of the CD that came with it, or they are usually available from the manufacturer's website.

    Good luck,
    -m

  32. They should do this like hurricanes... by StressGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    First Acneous Aardvark
    then Breezy Badger
    Carnivorous Caterpillar
    Dapper Dog (or Dudley Do-Right?)
    Enigmatic Elephant
    Fantasy Fox
    Giggling Giraffe
    *Then* Hoary Hedgehog .etc.

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  33. useless for most of Asia by rngadam · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sadly, it is useless for most of Asia because CJK (Chinese Japanese Korean) input is broken:

    https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/scim /+bug/2565

    The fonts are there, the localization strings are there, the keyboard LAYOUTS are there but the input server to transform romanized input (for example) to the Asian characters is not working. Particularly frustrating because Ubuntu has decided on not making it a core part (as it is in SuSE or RedHat) of the distro...

  34. Re:Pay attention to Ubuntu by rtrifts · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I very much agree with this. Let me tell you why.

    I'm not a linux fan. At all. I know the rest of you are and that's fine - but I like and use Windows XP. Linux is simply just not for me.

    That said, my wife got a Ubuntu disc (live and install duo) at her university and brought it home.

    We were having some dificulty on a system and as a rescue disc, we fired up Ubuntu the live CD.

    We were impressed. My wife ran it as her OS for a few months, but ultimately relented and switched back to windows. We simply run and play too many windows games for linux to be a real solution for us.

    We have installed it on an older laptop and have been impressed with it. We have passed on the discs to relatives who have difficulty retrieving files or who have "lost" their Windows XP install codes.

    So, coming from somone who really *doesn't like linux at all* - Ubuntu was easy to install, atractive, mostly easy to use and quite powerful out of the box with OpenOffice installed via default.

    I still don't use linux on my machines as there are too many Windows game dev issues I deal with on a daily basis. But if game dev was not a part of my life, I might be tempted to try it.

    So... hell yes - pay close attnetion to Ubuntu.

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  35. Another resounding YES! by UncleRage · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I keep a Compaq Deskpro EN (1 GHz PIII, 512 MB, 20 GB HD) in the front of my shop as an open, public net device (well, with a donation jar on the SFF case ;) ). Two things I can tell you:

    1. It runs quick.

    2. It runs solid.

    On any given day, I get a host of questions (From How did you make Windows look like that? To How much does it cost?) and I've sold quite a few of them because of it (six to be exact). Almost everyone that's played with it loves it. And no one has ever said, "It feels sluggish."

    All that being said, I'm generally a Gentoo guy, but Ubuntu makes a great selling point for the newbie linux crowd (easy fellas, I'm not calling it a kiddie distro)-- easy install, simple (and timely) updates, fantastic device detection and a perfect mix of apps (even includes Krita w/ the Kubuntu desktop package). It's exactly what a novice PC user expects -- insert disk, reboot box, answer some basic questions and then use your computer.

    In fact, I'm picking up another lot of these little Deskpro ENs to sit below my gaming stations. Next month, I'll be hosting Linux "classes" so people realize that Linux can be a viable alternative.

    Sorry so long winded an answer for a simple question... but allow me to recap: Yes, a 1GHz PIII is more than enough muscle for 5.10.

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  36. DVD Install Images by EAVY · · Score: 2, Informative
    Ubuntu 5.10 also provides images for installation from DVD. The DVD install image includes all supported packages, including those Not installed by default.

    The combined install/live DVD allows you either to install Ubuntu permanently on a computer, or (by entering 'live' at the boot prompt) to try Ubuntu without changing your computer at all. There are three editions available:

    Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger)

    Kubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger)

    Edubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger)

    Please download using Bittorrent if possible.

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  37. A SNAKE!! A SNAKE!! by joeslugg · · Score: 2, Funny

    (Un)official release song and dance here

    (Warning: Flash animation)

  38. Re:Why LTSP? by cloudmaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    Honestly, I agree with you as far as the PITA LTSP setup. Like I said somewhere once before, I've tried setting LTSP up several times in other environments, and it's a royal pain, chock full of inconvenient. :) The Ubuntu roll o fit's really nice, though, and hides all that crap. It literally took me about ten minutes (not counting the package downloading and installing that happens behind the scenes without user intervention) to get three machines up and running, one as a server and two as netboot clients. If you include the time it took to set up two VMWare virtual machines and install the Ubuntu server + one client (the third client was a physical machine booting from an Intel card), we're at about a half hour of sitting-in-front-of-the-computer to get three fully functional workstations. Additional machines just take an entry in dhcpd.conf, and that's only if you use dhcp "that way".

    Anyway, I don't particularly care if it's LTSP or something else - this is easy to set up and easy to maintain so far, and it coincidentally uses LTSP for its organization.

    As far as NFS, well, it's about the only network file system that can be used as a network root with Linux, right? I guess with the advent of initrds (not exactly new tech, but really just recently getting useful) I guess anything could be used - but a properly-tuned NFS server is pretty nice. Sure, I use CIFS a lot now, but that's mostly because I like the mapping control I can exert through samba, not because of any real performance gain. NFSv3 has "real" locks and nearly everythign supports it. NFSv4 is pretty close to stably replacing v3 now, and it uses stateful connections - which gets rid of several of the problems people had with UDP-based NFS implementations (and gets rid of the need to run a million daemons).

  39. Ubuntu on Compaq Evo N410c by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Insightful
    http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fun/n410c/

    My email address is in there for any additions and updates.

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  40. Why not games? by drgonzo59 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I have been developing, playing games and writing papers on Ubuntu since their first release. It seems to do a nice job with that. All you have to do is to get the backports repository access then you have the access to all the Debian packages that includes many games.

    The obvious question of the grand(grand?)prent post as to why Ubuntu is so great, is not an easy one to explain, I guess one just has to try it. I have used Mandriva, SuSE, Fedora, Gentoo (waited 2 days for it to install!) Lycoris (before it was bought by Mandriva) and finally settled with Ubuntu. I guess things just seemed to work right out of the box or perhaps I like the openess and the message behind Ubuntu, or maybe both...

  41. Re:Pointers? by rusty0101 · · Score: 2, Informative

    You will have to do more research for yourself, however from having looked at educational distributions in the past, the primary goal is to set up a thin client based infrastructure that allows the school to deploy a large number of very low cost workstations, often without hard drives, that the students will use as their desktop. Memory, video card, sound card, keyboard, mouse, display and case. Possibly a CD and or floppy drive, though it would be unlikely to include a cdr/cdrw drive. Possibly a USB port, possibly not.

    This is then supported by one or two farily large servers that most of the applications are actually run on or at least from.

    Advantages for the school include the possiblity that they can just strip out the hard drives from systems that won't support the latest distribution of Windows, and effectively have zero or very low cost per workstation to move to Linux. A centralized account management structure where the school can insure that sutdents are only maintaining school related work in their storage folders, while providing an infrastructure that is disaster tolerant if they have implemented periodic backups of that online storage. If a vandal destroys a workstation you are not spending a day or more replacing it, updating all of the software with the current patches, etc, you simply replace it with an off the shelf spare, or pick up a bare bones system and put the appropriate network boot firmware on a network card if the bios does not already support booting off the network.

    User interface is usually either a X windows desktop, or possibly a vnc or other thin client desktop. It can even be rdesktop if you insist upon using a windows platform for some reason.

    All that said, I do not know what of it is included in Edubuntu.

    -Rusty

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