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Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" Released
An anonymous reader writes "Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" has been released! Direct links for the US install iso or the US install torrent file." Update: 10/13 18:08 GMT by Z : Linux.com has a look at the release, in-depth.
... or leaked?
OK. I give. What is so amazing about Ubuntu? Do they compile thier stuff with special options or have some whiz-bang installation program?
In the USA, we like stuff watered down, like beer, television, and freedom.
Maybe in a month or two, people will stop bursting into #ubuntu and #kubuntu IRC channels asking "is Breezy released yet?" Now we can look forward to people bitching about the stability of, erm, whatever the new unstable version is. :-}
Stating on Slashdot that I like cheese since 1997.
You might wanna read the review on Ubuntu 5.10 Breezy Badger, while you download the ISO.
w00t
Wake me up when the "Acneous Aardvark" version comes out, ok?
http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
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Evan
"$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
The poster forgot the <a href="bash:apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade">direct upgrade link</a>. :)
BTW, if you're looking for an easy to set up LTSP-based distro, Ubuntu's a good choice (IMHO). The release candidates have been very good improvements over 5.04 - mostly in terms of (lots of) more subtle polish type things.
That site rocks. Got almost everything I could want set up very nicely. I probably won't even move up to 5.10 until Ubuntuguide is updated.
PHEM - party like it's 1997-2003!
If you're not a big fan of the Ubuntu brown default theme, check out the Blended metacity theme and the nuoveXT icon set. They definetly add a 2005.10 (modern day) feel to the system.
Go Ubuntu!Will apt-get dist-upgrade update me to breezy or do I need to adjust my repos?
OR is a fresh install needed because of the gcc4.0 update?
what command can I type to see exactly what 'version' I am using right now?
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." ~Plato (427-347 BC)
...but will you do it at the top of a mountain? Check out the Extreme Ubuntu Install Challenge!
"On October 2, 2005, two good friends and I hiked up Middle Sugarloaf Mountain in the White Mountains region of New Hampshire. But this wasn't your typical hike; this hike had extreme geek value. For at the top of the mountain, I was going to install Ubuntu Breezy on my laptop.
To my knowledge, no one has ever accomplished such a feat in history. Probably, this is because no one would want to. I'd like to change that. Ubuntu geeks of the world, I challenge you - where can you install Ubuntu in an extreme environment? Has Ubuntu ever been installed on a skyscraper window-washing scaffold? On an active volcano? While standing on your head the whole time? Just think of the possibilities!
When you have a laptop, a mission, and no sense of social shame, anything is possible. What follows is one man's story of hardship and triumph, as he scales a mountain to install Ubuntu linux..."
Let this be a lesson - Keep your badgers away from beans!!!
Professor Karmadillo Songs of Science
Ubuntu has become my main desktop and laptop (iBook) distro of choice, beating out Gentoo last year. I just did a fresh install of 5.10 Monday on the iBook, and it's just so nice. On the workstation we've been tracking Breezy for about a month now, and the polish just keeps coming. Can't wait till they move on Daper, an am especially excited about it being supported for so many years; you can just feel the momentium.
Use whatever Linux distro you like, but if you're looking for one to change to, give this a shot, there's a reason there's so much good press about this company.
fak3r.com
...everything "just works", the first time, without massive twiddling of configuration files. Or at least Hoary Hedgehog did. This is the Linux distro I recommend first and foremost (Eric, time to switch to Linux buddy!), and 5.10 will definitely be going on my box this weekend.
Will I be able to just continue from the point I have been with the preview release? Anyone ran dist-upgrade and have it work yet??
Ubuntu by FAR has been the BEST Linux distro for me. I just want to work on it I don't want to have to compile a bunch of crap (Gentoo anyone) or put up with RPM dependencies (SuSe, Fedora, Red Hat and Madriva). RPM based distros may have yum and apt now, but Debian based distros do it right.
Gorkman
I can get my hands on an 'old' P3 (about 1GHz) system for free. Would this distro be good? I've used mondern distros on older hardware before and I found they ran slow and I became frustrated with it.
I appreciate any nuggets of wisdom.
Well, if you insist on the livecds... Here is the x86 livecd or torrent. Here is the PowerPC livecd or torrent. Here is the AMD64 version and the torrent. Happy now?
Other linux flavours released in the last 24hrs include:
;)
Piebox Enterprise Linux 3-U6, 4-U2
Frugalware Linux 0.3
Damn Small Linux 2.0 RC1
B2D Linux 20051011
PHLAK Beta 1 "Littleboy"
So why are the "-buntu" releases getting all the buzz? It's the animal names, isn't it? And is it pronounced OOBOONTOO (orangutan for overhyped) or YOU-BUNT-TOO (a veiled baseball reference)?
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Science -- Sealed, Delivered.
Here is a list of updated mirrors as the main site is very slow.
I loaded OpenSuSe last week. Had troubles with Radeon and Centrino but usability was wonderful. A searchbox that highlights menu options...who would have thunk it. Loaded Mandriva lasst night and no real problems with video or Centrino though I had to manually configure wireless after install. But usability is horrible. I selected Firefox during install and they didn't even give me a menu icon or desktop icon for loading it. Same goes for other applications. So nifty menu search either. Might have to give Ubantu a try and see if anyone other than SuSe is trying to improve usability.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
I'm using it right now, and apart from a new splash screen that resembles the forums theme and the replacement of the GNOME foot with the Ubuntu logo in the top left corner, the most immediately obvious changes to the end user are the features introduced by GNOME 2.12. Namely, the menu editor, disks manager, clipboard daemon, Evince document viewer, drag-and-drop preview, type-ahead-find for Epiphany and GNOME's help browser, and so on. That stupid gedit focus bug is fixed. The switch from OpenOffice 1.1.3 to OpenOffice.org 2.0 (Beta 2) is a substantial one as well; xine 1.1 and AbiWord 1.1, unfortunately, were released too late Breezy's dev cycle and aren't included. Similarly, 5.10 has shipped with GStreamer 0.8, which is still unusable for video, so you'll want to install totem-xine over totem-gstreamer as soon as possible. Under the hood, Ubuntu is now using the 2.6.12 kernel, modular X.org and GCC 4.0.1. Ubuntu has also updated their ATI fglrx drivers to 8.16.20, which gives a significant performance boost (from crap to less crap) for those cursed with ATI cards.
Overall, my end user impressions are that this is a worthy and welcome upgrade to my distribution of choice, but apparently I'm only really scratching the surface. According to the release notes, the major features of 5.10 are advanced thin client integration, an OEM installer, the Edubuntu project for deploying Ubuntu in schools, and Launchpad integration ("Launchpad.net is the new infrastructure that Ubuntu and its derivatives use for translation, bug tracking, sharing code patches, fixes and technical support."). So, in short, I like what I'm seeing, but what I haven't seen looks even better.
The release page is running very slowly; the official Ubuntu Bittorrent tracker (complete with copies of the .torrent digests) is here: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
I think Ubuntu has a good future and now run it on my development workstation, laptop and server. But, what is more interesting are two big feature they added for Breezy that will make it easier for me to get my clients to consider switching over (including many commercial entities and a pro bono private school.)
# Thin Client Integration: Ubuntu is the first distribution in the world to include deeply-integrated thin client technology. This allows you to deploy Ubuntu in large scale networked environments or, for example, in classrooms, with a lightweight Ubuntu image booting over the network. All Ubuntu management tools work for the thin client image as well as for the server.
# OEM Installer Support This release of Ubuntu has special support for OEM hardware vendors. Ubuntu can be pre-installed and tested without configuring end user information. The user will be asked to complete that configuration (name, timezone and password) upon first startup.
Think about it. If Canonical is successful in getting Ubuntu OEM'd with one of the bigger OEMs, this could be a huge success.
Anything else you'd like to add?
Cunty Cat?
Slashdot social media options: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber and Mobile Text. Why no MySpace?
Those links are insanely useful. Already have one torrent rolling in at >150KB/sec. Hell, post 'em on /.'s front page for that matter! I know /. isn't entirely Linux-centric, but a huge chunk of users will appreciate seeing these all in one convenient place. At least give parent an Underrated or Interesting... throw the guy a frickin' bone, and do the rest of us a favor as well.
Will it go straight onto an SATA drive?
Invoicing, Time Tracking, Reporting
Breezy breezy breezy breezy breezy breezy breezy breezy BADGER BADGER!
http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
Now for a usability question, can it play mp3's out of the box? Does it include
all the movieplayer codecs? If not because they are patent encumbered or restricted give me a frigging button to press that will install support for these. Hell it would take fifteen minutes max to build a gdialog installer with python to do this crap for me.
From the ubuntu web site
"If you add the debian-marillat repository to your Ubuntu sources.list (use testing/main), you can use Synaptic or apt-get to install MPlayer, lame, and other tools to deal with non-free formats like DVD and MP3."
Got Code?
With this announcement, I thought I would go grab the PPC DVD torrent and let the /. effect help me along. I never did get the Hoary Hedgehog DVD image because there never was a working peer for it.
On the site it lists that combination DVD images have been released. I've checked, they aren't on the list. So has there been a maor spring cleaning or are they just going to release the DVD later so that I'll be stuck with 68% looking for peers...
I really do like x86 Ubuntu and I'm glad that they have a PPC distro that gets updated at the same time, but so far I can't actually test it until I can download it.
I found a clapped-out old 600 MHz laptop with 256 Mb of RAM, running a weird AMD K6 processor.
Ubuntu offers a "server" install option, which creates a stripped-down no-desktop server machine. After a few REALLY SIMPLE install commands like apt-get install apache2 , I had a fully-operational Web and file server, which I could put in a closet and administer via ssh.
It just worked.
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by mere idiocy.
My friend, let me introduce you to Cedega and CrossOver Office. So what were you saying about Half-Life 2 and Microsoft Office not working again?
or does my daily "apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade" cron job bring me in line with the new release?
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Or some other flatulent mammal.
For those upgrading from a previous release, instructions can be found on the official Ubuntu wiki.
But yes, essentially "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" is it.
I agree with you 100% on all of your points. If they could just get a better theme that looks more clean and less childish and a better naming scheme, it could really compete with anything commercial vendors have out there (not to name any names or anything).
-> Sometimes, you just gotta break free from the shackles of proprietary code.
... because it's an easy-to-install Debian distro, you might want to check out Debian Pure. That's all it is, Debian with an easy install. Not dissing Ubuntu, not at all (no need to flame me, guys), but I've heard some say that's why they like it; they didn't know there's a real Debian out there that's just as easy to install.
I dream of a better world... one in which chickens can cross roads without their motives being questioned.
Please post a link to the tecra stuff you found that helped so much, or just tell us what you had to do.
Sam
blog.sam.liddicott.com
I've been running the unstable/preview release for almost a month, and after resolving a minor DBUS problem i had right after upgrading, its been running extremely solid. The only noteworthy problem I've had is evince like to chrash when reloading/refreshing .dvi documents, this is really impressive for a unstable release IMHO.
;-)
I've been using Ubuntu now for almost one year (I was seeking an open/free alternative to Gentoo), and since then it has become the only Linux flavor I run (well, that and debian for my server). Simply because it gives me the choice of choosing what I want to spend time on. Meaning, I'm not forced to read a multiple pages of documentation to get my digital camera to work, it just works when plugged in. And then if someday I'm like, "Hey, I wanna learn more about HAL/DBUS/whatever" I'm free to mess around with it.
I know its like this with most distributions today, but since I'm a gnome user ubuntu is a perfect fit with their release schedule trying to follow the gnome one.
The only remotely bad thing about Ubuntu is the documentation, not that the wiki isn't nice, its just no FreeBSD or Gentoo handbook
I have installed the base server on an old ibm 385XD laptop with 96Megs of ram. With ICEwm, it makes an excellent kitchen laptop-- perfect for email and recipe lookup.
The nice thing about that was that I did not have a colossal hassle making it work. Everything I need can be piecewise installed and updated painlessly with synaptic.
...wheezy badger.
Thank you - leave tips at the door.
I used to have a better sig but it broke.
sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
replace all references of 'hoary' with 'breezy'
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
Badgers?
We don' need no steenkin' badgers!
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Where can I download the KDE or GNOME theme so it looks as if I am running this?
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
The names like Breezy Badger are just code names (like Longhorn and Whistler were). In the corporate environment, it could just be called Ubuntu 5.10.
Oolite: Elite-like game. For Mac, Linux and Windows
I can't figure out why people are so enamored with LTSP as a thin client solution. I have used it extensivley and find it to be horribly awkward, hard to package up, hard to manage, insecure and uses NFS for Gads sakes! I stumbled on Thinstation about a year ago and have not looked back.
But please do tell me why everyone is so retarded for LTSP, maybe I'm missing something.
Kind Regards
"A few great minds are enough to endow humanity with monstrous power, but a few great hearts are not enough to make us w
Congratulations to all ubuntu developers for the marvelous work!
"Badgers!? Badgers!? We don't need no stinking badgers!"
(breezy? phew! What's the next version called, "farty feline?")
"They said I probly shouldn't fly with just one eye," "I am Bender. Please insert girder."
The only issue left is that it did not recognise the wireless card I have installed.. so I can't put it on the network yet.
;^).
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I installed Ubuntu on an old laptop a few months ago, and also ran into trouble with the wireless card. Mine was a linksys, and they didn't have a driver for Linux. I was able to use the Windows driver on Ubuntu using NdisWrapper. Assuming you are having similar driver trouble, this may work for you too.
IIRC, NdisWrapper was on the install cd (you might have to apt-get or synaptic it to get it on your HD), so you shouldn't have to download it (which is good, since your card doesn't work yet
Here's a link to the project...
http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
Here's the install instructions on the wiki...
http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/inde
You'll also need the Windows driver for you card. You can get it off of the CD that came with it, or they are usually available from the manufacturer's website.
Good luck,
-m
I've asked this question before....
Does anyone know whether ACPI works in Breezy?? I installed Hoary on my Dell Inspiron 8200 and I couldn't get suspend to RAM working. I had to move back to Debian testing.
First Acneous Aardvark .etc.
then Breezy Badger
Carnivorous Caterpillar
Dapper Dog (or Dudley Do-Right?)
Enigmatic Elephant
Fantasy Fox
Giggling Giraffe
*Then* Hoary Hedgehog
A goal is a dream with a deadline
Why has no one made a "yo momma" joke about the code name yet? Come on, you perverts! Breezy Badger!
sudo apt-cache search mplayer
and choose one optimized for your architecture. There isn't a generic mplayer apt candidate.
[site]
Crossover office doesn't support office 2003. The latest is office xp. Not much of a big deal, but visio 2003 is pretty good.
I think that mplayer is in the "multiverse" repository, if there's trouble there.
I'm pretty sure it's in the swish new "Add Applications" menu though, to ease that.
Sadly, it is useless for most of Asia because CJK (Chinese Japanese Korean) input is broken:
m /+bug/2565
https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/sci
The fonts are there, the localization strings are there, the keyboard LAYOUTS are there but the input server to transform romanized input (for example) to the Asian characters is not working. Particularly frustrating because Ubuntu has decided on not making it a core part (as it is in SuSE or RedHat) of the distro...
Has anyone installed VMWare Workstation on Ubuntu? I use Fedora only 'cause VMWare works with it (albiet with patches). I much more prefer Ubuntu's method of getting apps and patches than RedHat's.
Also, has anyone tried Oracle on it? I know you need to tell the installer to ignore the fact it's not a suse or redhat-based distro, but was there any other issues?
I very much agree with this. Let me tell you why.
I'm not a linux fan. At all. I know the rest of you are and that's fine - but I like and use Windows XP. Linux is simply just not for me.
That said, my wife got a Ubuntu disc (live and install duo) at her university and brought it home.
We were having some dificulty on a system and as a rescue disc, we fired up Ubuntu the live CD.
We were impressed. My wife ran it as her OS for a few months, but ultimately relented and switched back to windows. We simply run and play too many windows games for linux to be a real solution for us.
We have installed it on an older laptop and have been impressed with it. We have passed on the discs to relatives who have difficulty retrieving files or who have "lost" their Windows XP install codes.
So, coming from somone who really *doesn't like linux at all* - Ubuntu was easy to install, atractive, mostly easy to use and quite powerful out of the box with OpenOffice installed via default.
I still don't use linux on my machines as there are too many Windows game dev issues I deal with on a daily basis. But if game dev was not a part of my life, I might be tempted to try it.
So... hell yes - pay close attnetion to Ubuntu.
.Robert
I have an old pentium 3 800mhz, breezy is nice, i like the new adept package feature alot, so i can see what all programs i dont have, or might want/need, to upgrade to breezy in terminal: --> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
(edit your apt sources and replace references to hoary with breezy)
--> sudo apt-get update
--> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Or it won't have quite the correct results.
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I know I have. More than once, in fact.
"Think you can take me? Go ahead on. It's your move." --Joe Don Baker in Final Justice
This is not like getting SP2. Security and updates are pretty simple in Ubuntu. You can do it with a GUI or automatically.
This is like going from Windows 2000 to XP or from XP to Vista. Frankly updating Ubuntu is much easier than installing Vista. And yes I have done both.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
I agree. What's the point of having an operating system that only runs some stuff when I can run most everything (plus Gnome) in Windows? Seriously though. We have been talking about Linux on the desktop for years and years and years.... Where are all the Linux desktop users?
believing the big bang requires a certain amount of supernatural faith
I keep a Compaq Deskpro EN (1 GHz PIII, 512 MB, 20 GB HD) in the front of my shop as an open, public net device (well, with a donation jar on the SFF case ;) ). Two things I can tell you:
1. It runs quick.
2. It runs solid.
On any given day, I get a host of questions (From How did you make Windows look like that? To How much does it cost?) and I've sold quite a few of them because of it (six to be exact). Almost everyone that's played with it loves it. And no one has ever said, "It feels sluggish."
All that being said, I'm generally a Gentoo guy, but Ubuntu makes a great selling point for the newbie linux crowd (easy fellas, I'm not calling it a kiddie distro)-- easy install, simple (and timely) updates, fantastic device detection and a perfect mix of apps (even includes Krita w/ the Kubuntu desktop package). It's exactly what a novice PC user expects -- insert disk, reboot box, answer some basic questions and then use your computer.
In fact, I'm picking up another lot of these little Deskpro ENs to sit below my gaming stations. Next month, I'll be hosting Linux "classes" so people realize that Linux can be a viable alternative.
Sorry so long winded an answer for a simple question... but allow me to recap: Yes, a 1GHz PIII is more than enough muscle for 5.10.
#SickNotWeak
My biggest hassel with a Linux on the laptop is wireless support and especially WPA. How is 5.10's support for ipw2200 and WPA_supplicant?
MC
Like who? Apple? Sun? Microsoft's "leaked" release got covered right before this article... Seems slashdot is quite fair about distro announcements, linux is just the flavor that has the most often releases, between all distros.
The combined install/live DVD allows you either to install Ubuntu permanently on a computer, or (by entering 'live' at the boot prompt) to try Ubuntu without changing your computer at all. There are three editions available:
Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger)
Kubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger)
Edubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger)
Please download using Bittorrent if possible.
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(Un)official release song and dance here
(Warning: Flash animation)
I'm holding out for Ubuntu Luscious Beaver
The world is everything that is the case
Okay, so I look through the headlines for stuff which interests me. ...what exactly *is* Ubuntu?
And I find this. Ubuntu has been released. Great. Cool. But...
How about writing this in here as well? How about simply telling us that "Ubuntu" Linux has released a new version?
Instead, you're forcing me to RTFA, which doesn't interest me, increasing their server load...
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hi,
its good to know that this new project continue up
my post is not related directly with the subject, but with a "single" problem.
i ordered Ubuntu CDs for ppc (power processors) because i've an iBook G4.when i try to run setup it crashes everytime when trying detect hardware definitions.
i want to know if is or not a single problem or if someone has (or had) the same problem!
best regards
Paulo A. Silva
'Yes, firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.'
My email address is in there for any additions and updates.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
The obvious question of the grand(grand?)prent post as to why Ubuntu is so great, is not an easy one to explain, I guess one just has to try it. I have used Mandriva, SuSE, Fedora, Gentoo (waited 2 days for it to install!) Lycoris (before it was bought by Mandriva) and finally settled with Ubuntu. I guess things just seemed to work right out of the box or perhaps I like the openess and the message behind Ubuntu, or maybe both...
Does it autodetect Soundblaster Live 24-bit yet?
I almost gave up on Ubuntu (actually, Kubuntu) over annoyance at having to find and install the module. How could a card possibly be more mainstream? It should just work. Dselect still keeps trying to overwrite my installation, even though I installed using dpkg. Haven't figured out how to install it with Kynaptic.
I have been using off-and-on since 1998, and I'm beyond the point where I want to spend time futzing around with this stuff. I have things I want to do within Linux other than figure out how to get my hardware to work.
Farty Ferret
Odiferous Otter
Stinky Mink
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
I dist-upgrade'd to 5.10 a few days ago (to beat the Slashdotting of their servers), and it broke my Firefox font handling. For example, all the Slashdot homepage "From the xxx-yyy-zzz dept." subtitles (but not the variable xxx-yyy-zzz, somehow) are illegible, resembling greyed-out skinny elvish runes. As are the "Important Stuff" bullet point sentences below in the page in which I'm posting this message. If I select all the text by click/dragging the cursor, it appears, as well as "wiping" the illegible window with another foreground window. And what's strange is that Firefox run as root doesn't show this bug at all. The bug appears to manifest anywhere the "Serif" or "Sans Serif" fonts appear in Firefox, which can't be changed in its Preferences to another "standin" font. I've (laboriously) reinstalled my fonts, but no help, and dist-upgrade'ing again today (with some delays) hasn't fixed the problem.
That whine isn't really the important Ubuntu point (though it's ruining my day). The important point is that this kind of major release shouldn't have that kind of bug. I'm running straight hoary dist-upgrade'd to breezy on its final release candidate (and then final release). Ubuntu, like any distro, is really a package QA release project. The entire job of the team is to ensure that it's releaseable when it's released. But this bug would make any nongeek flee Ubuntu, and maybe Linux, immediately, possibly never to return. I'm running it on a Dell Inspiron 8000, which sits on a lot of desktops (especially people who don't upgrade more than once in 5 years, who typically can't understand bugs like this). A professional distro shouldn't fail like that, especially in a way which leaves no answers. I posted the bug in even greater detail on Ubuntu forums - it's gotten dozens of looks, but no replies. I expect better from Ubuntu, because I hope it will become the wedge which takes over Desktop share from Windows. Not today.
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make install -not war
That's cool. As you have discovered, Linux isn't intended to be a substitute for Windows - it's an alternative operating system. And a damn good one at that.
My other processor is big-endian.
Is ACPI fixed yet? I have currently frozen time at 2.6.8-1.521, last known kernel to implement ACPI properly on my laptop...
Yam, yam, uga booga, yam, yam, yade, yade, uga booga, yam, yam, yade, yade
Has anyone else noticed that dowloading directly from the Ubuntu site gives you a file called "ubuntu-6.10..." rather than 5.10? If it weren't my favorite open source group, I would think this was a little fishy... Hm.
I compiled the sources from http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanotix/unstable/ to create the .deb packages. After installation and configuration (nx user was added, local user was added to nx server allowed list, there are no ssh authentication problems), any attempts to connect via the nx client ultimately fail with no indication as to what went wrong.
The indentical setup works on my Mandriva box so this is really making me scratch my head as to what could be going on.
While downloading it, I am trying to determine what makes Edubuntu a better choice for a school environment (in order to be able to convince some schools admins I am in contact with to migrate from Windows) - specially, what features and packages are found in Edubuntu that would be required/nice to have in a school lab. Either I failed to find the links or their website is too incipient yet. Any pointers?
The fglrx drivers work fine -- and they're written by ATI.
I found myself somewhat annoyed that Breezy was released on Yom Kippur, the most holy jewish holiday of the year. Many orthodox jewish ubuntu users won't be able to install Breezy until tomorrow. How rude!
Honestly, I don't think there was any sort of ill-will or anti-semetic overtones...just a lack of forethought. But if ubuntu prides itself on being a community of humans who respects each other...then releasing a distro on a major jewish holiday where members of that faith can't work...is sorta...unthoughtful.
I urge everybody here who thinks Bit Torrent is the best idea since Ethernet to download the iso images via torrent and leave their clients open until the share ratio is at least 100%. Remember, more people sharing means smaller download times for everybody (and incidentally, more instance of Bit Torrent being put to good, legal uses next time somebody asks).
I feel the same way . . . I just want something that I can make the transition and just start working. Look into Vector SOHO version. I installed it and just started using it . . . . about six hours went by before I realized I hadn't switched back to my XP box.
Yes, it's different, and sure there may be a slight learning curve (if you are competent in Windows, you will find this to be pretty intuitive. YOu probably won't get lost easily), but I am totally sold on this. Streaming audio just like Winamp, Dvd player, cd burner you name it, it's got it, or can get it. And the synaptic package manager lets you just browse through and find stuff you want to install. Windows can't touch this at all.
It's about time for me to kick out my windows, finally.
Karma: Bad is the liberal way of saying this guy won't drink the kool aid here on slash dot. I wear my Karma with pride
Apparently every server I know of for grabbing the .torrent is on fire. Anyone have a a non /.'ed link to the live/install DVD torrent?
Something from that article the parent listed I really agree with:
Experienced Linux users may find it odd that the Ubuntu installer does not prompt them for a root password. Instead of having a root user, Ubuntu uses the first normal user as the admin user. Instead of having root privileges all the time, however, Ubuntu uses sudo to manage system administration tasks. Mac users will recognize this behavior, since Mac OS X works essentially the same way. You can set up a root user if you need to, but this system works well for newer Linux users who may not be used to working as root.
I found this odd when I installed Ubuntu for the first time too, but it seems logical not to have a root account by default for security reasons especially for people who aren't familiar with best practices.
"I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
-Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
Ubuntu isn't the most user-friendly Linux, because its still a work in progress. For years publications like PC Magazine and PC World have been giving that honor to Xandros (and Linspire at times). And I think they're right. It's also closely Debian-derrived and usable with the "Debian universe", and the Deluxe version lets you run a list of supported Windows apps via Crossover Office (a nice cushion-- I run DVD Shrink with it). You can get nice Linux-native stuff like Skype preconfigured with it. Hardware detection has always been its strength and I'd say today its definately in the top 3 in this respect. The Xandros File Manager is very Explorer-like and stable, with some bennies like CD-ripping and DVD burning.
Xandros Open Circulation edition is available via Bittorrent.
As powerful GUI environments go, Xandros was the first to autoconfigure USB devices, the first to logon to Windows Domains (and even create them!), the first with VPN and encrypted home folders, the first with anything approaching a usable printer setup, and many other boring-yet-crucial features that wouldn't give the average Slashdot Linux enthusiast much of a thrill.
If you want an almost more-Windows-than-Windows environment, get the new SUSE v10 and install it with KDE. The Control Center dialogs are less elegant than Xandros, and even Windows XP, in that they have GOBS of powerful options dialogs. But they are still dialogs and "friendly" to a non-Unixy power-user. IMO it is a little weak on hardware detection and there's no APT. Their target is Windows power users and admins, so the slickness doesn't mean they'll knock off the rough edges to the extent Xandros does.
Linspire itself is rather unorthodox: It defaults to root auto-logins (bad) and its package-naming will present more difficulties when you want to grab stuff from Debian. You also have to pay for access to much of the software repository, so its no coincidence that they've marginalized its compatability with Debian's.
K/Ubuntu is very nice. What it can do, it does well after a couple iterations. And system configuration is at least elegant and approachable. But even by their own admission it needs about another year.
We've been using CrossOver Office for almost a year in a corporate environment and I can tell you that the 7 people using it are constantly frustrated by high cpu usage, bugs, incompatibility, crashes of apps running with CrossOver Office. Using it is mostly hit and miss (opening documents usually ok, but actually editing them not so much).
A very neat product with lots of potential but limited applicability in a serious work environment.
I've been using Ubuntu for awhile, first the live CDs and now the hd-install version of Breezy. FWIW I started with the pre-release Breezy, but with the automatic updates I'm now using the latest official version. So far it's been great, but I have a few minor complaints. First, it's a slow on my 700 Mhz laptop w/ 384k -- slower than KDE or Windows on the same machine. Mozilla in particular is slow rendering tables, etc. But I like Ubuntu's desktop so much better overall that I don't care. Second, there's no convenient WiFi management tool, to scan and choose from available networks. The Networking applet will discover and connect to open networks, but it doesn't always work, nor will it always pick the one you want. Otherwise you have to find out the SSIDs ahead of time, create a connection in the Networking applet, and connect manually. Third, because of licensing issues, browser plugins and codecs have to be downloaded and installed separately. This is easy enough for technical users who know what they want, but non-technical users have to choose from a dizzying array of sound and video players, and codecs to go with them. Aaack! There's plenty of installation help at ubuntuguide.org, but more guidance about "the right setup" would be helpful. Fourth, burning a CD is confusing until you do it a few times. Fifth, for some weird reason, my HP printer wouldn't work, even though it was in the list of supported printers. I say weird because I've never had a printer problem with Linux. Finally, as with most Linux systems, suspend/hibernate is nonfunctional or flaky. OTOH, Ubuntu boots and shuts down faster than my Windows system wakes up or hibernates, so for me this is a non-issue. The only thing I need to suspend for is to swap a drive, but with floppies disappearing I never do this anymore anyway. I haven't thought too much about the security issues involved with relying on sudo instead of using a root account, but in practice it's very convenient for a single user machine. This is one thing that drives me nuts with Windows -- repeatedly logging in and out of regular and administrator accounts. So while a few things may be a pain, I have many more complaints about Windows than Ubuntu! --
I need to buy one, and I'd like to avoid the ndiswrapper stuff, and googling for chipsets, etc is taking forever.
Anyone know a model that "just works" with Ubuntu?
Your hybrid is not saving the environment. Its purpose is to make you feel good about buying something.
On Hoary Hedgehog Korean support didn't work. In fact, if you even tried to add Korean as a keyboard layout, you got errors. So, does Korean work on Breezy Badger?
Can't believe this is slashdot, more than 600 comments and I am the first to say BADGERBADGERBADGER
Sometimes people ask if Ubuntu is up to hype. But if you think about, Ubuntu has little competition. How many distros
1- Are totally commited to freedom
2- Have the sole purpose of helping the community*. Are the real deal, not a crippled version of the paid version (this is specially important, and one of the main causes of the other points)
3- Are serious and professional (no RandomGeekPersonalDistro, please)
4- Are focused on usability("Just works", marvelous default package selection, short release cycle with awesome QA, etc.) , good to newbies and experts.**
5- Have great support both from vendors and an outstanding community*** ?
Ubuntu found an almost unexplored market. Its no wonder it is so successful. There is great future for them.
* Canonical being for-profit doesn't invallidate the point. Shuttlework has made clear that the money is secondary, Canonical won't yield huge profits and he doesn't expect it to make him any filthier rich than the already is. And the management of Ubuntu has flawlessly reflected this.
** The "just work" factor is one of the best, and I only don't say *the best* because I haven't tested everyhing out there. I mean excellent hardware support, tight and careful selection of default installed packages , very simple but efficient installer... even the menus are greatly organized. And of course, the usability and maintainability magic of apt and synaptic, now made even easier with the enhanced "Add Applications" tool. And the great release cycle, providing you the latest and greates without resorting to untested packages or compiling from source (still possible if you like but not necessarry). Their QA is amazingly good but still fits in a 6 month schedule. I could go on and on.
*** Great community. Very helpful forums, great help on the web (like www.ubuntuguide.org), agile developers that fix bugs in a second (which is a pleasure to the geek reporting the bug, and stimulates him to report more). Canonical providing support and calling other companies to do the same is good too. All this and the efforts of Canonical to partner with vendors (the HP deal, the OEM installer...) suggest that there is great future for this distro. This distro is well regarded, see for example the partnership with HP and certain commercial programs having versions for Ubuntu when the distro was in its early days, and, well, all the hype around it.
I love Ubuntu for the soothing warm earth toned theme... Sick of the neon blue-green crap. I love wool sweaters and hot cocoa too. Mmmmm... hot cocoa...
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I'd say this sounds like one of the best compliments one could get: a Windows-lover and Linux-hater saying Ubuntu was nice. Thank you, sir!
Well, yeah, but Linux gaming still doesn't hold a candle to Windows gaming. After all, they have DirectX; we have eighty-nine thousand different sound cores. I wish I were a developer, because if Linux could develop a solid competitor to DirectX, Microsoft would indeed be in (even more) dire trouble (than they are already).
Badger Badger Badger
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I've yet to read anyone posting about the fact they ship free CDs too. Not the free except for shipping crap, but actually at no direct financial cost to you. More info here: http://shipit.ubuntu.com/
1&1 - Cheap domain and web hosting.
http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/breezy/ubuntu-5.10-i nstall-i386.iso.torrent
So does PPOE work out of the box yet?
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Yeah, I think it's pretty sensible. If you want to be able to log in as root, it's as simple as adding an ssh key or 'sudo passwd'. But of course there are some well-known advantages to never actually logging in as root.
*Puts surrounding nodes on the queue to explore*
Oh wait, **AA, not A*.
*Puts customers on the queue to sue*
Dude, you just said "solution". What problem are you trying to solve?
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Stupid yanks.
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\\/ are accustomed' - First Lensman
You do know that you can get Ubuntu with KDE, called Kubuntu, right?
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
"We were impressed. My wife ran it as her OS for a few months, but ultimately relented and switched back to windows. We simply run and play too many windows games for linux to be a real solution for us."
:)
The simple solution would be to dual-boot; Windows for games and Ubuntu for everything else. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
That's how I have my computer set up... but I'm not a gamer, so my Windows partition takes long naps (I boot Windows on Patch Tuesdays to make sure I'm up to date