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Homer Becomes Omar

geekster writes "With Omar as Homer, and Badr substituted for Bart, The Simpsons is now playing on Arab television. But in order not to risk offending an Arab audience, the characters in Al Shamshoon, as the show is now called, have modified some of their most distinguishable traits." And you thought internationalization was hard for software!

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  1. My karma can stand it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Funny

    [comic book guy voice]Worst...Adaptation...EVER![/comic book guy voice]

    Come on, you all were thinking it, Homer without the H or beer or hot dogs or bacon- eeeew.

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    1. Re:My karma can stand it by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Funny

      No TV and No Beer makes homer Something Something
      Go crazy
      Don't mind if I do ...

      God I hate it when people rip out the core of something because it may be offensive ..What a bunch of Melon farmers*

      *Melon Farmers is a reference to the BBC TV cut of "Repo Man" where the words Mother-fucker were replaced by Melon farmer

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    2. Re:My karma can stand it by drsquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course, the Simpsons never makes fun of Christians or conservatives.

    3. Re:My karma can stand it by RLiegh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In America, you can go on television and air criticisms of Republican, Christian or any other viewpoints; and you may get a debate or -at worse- a reprimand.

      Let me ask you, how likely is it to put forth atheistic and/or anti-muslim views and have them broadcast...and if, by some miracle you were able to; what would happen to you?

      Compare and contrast.

    4. Re:My karma can stand it by schon · · Score: 4, Informative

      I can't remember even one episode in which bacon is mentioned

      You're kidding me? You must not have seen many episodes at all then.

      Homer's patented Moon Waffles.

      The "good morning burger"

      The one where Homer starts his grease recycling business (and feeds $25 worth of bacon to the dog.)

      The one where Lisa becomes a vegetarian, and Homer lists all the types of meat she won't eat "ham? bacon? pork?" "Dad! those are all from the same animal!"

      The one where Homer and Marge are in the garden of eden, and Homer eats the bacon directly from the pig.

      and those are just off the top of my head... bacon is mentioned on a pretty regular basis.

    5. Re:My karma can stand it by Ambient+Sheep · · Score: 5, Informative
      Melon Farmers is a reference to the BBC TV cut of "Repo Man" where the words Mother-fucker were replaced by Melon farmer

      I believe the alterations were made by Alex Cox, the director, himself, in response to the BBC's request for cuts so that it could be shown. So he decided to go completely and humorously over-the-top in censoring his own film, partly to make a point, one suspects.

      See http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/faqmf.htm

    6. Re:My karma can stand it by Golias · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The real burning question regarding an arabic simpons edit: Who's working at the Kwik-E-Mart?

      I mean, I'm sure guys like Apu working at convenience stores is a much less common sight in Syria than it is in the American midwest. Would they even get the joke over there?

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    7. Re:My karma can stand it by Krach42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Look, the issue isn't that we're emasculating our own content. But you can't tell me that we're not pandering to christian values when... well, this is too long to put in a dependant clause, I explain.

      Watch some Anime, originals from Japan. There are shows that are marketed to children, or young adults, or at least air during such hours that American families usually allow their children to watch TV. These shows have STRONG explicit words in them occationally, and nudity.

      So, what do we do in America? Well, first we change the explicit words so that when say, an actor says "Chikushou" = very strong curse word, along the lines of "fucking christ!", or "kuso" = literally, "shit", we change these words to be "darn" or "dangit". I mean, we change the words coming out of the characters mouth from "JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THAT HURT!" to "OUCH! Hey man, that hurt!"

      Next up is how to deal with nudity. Well, we have good examples of these... we just digitally insert bikinis on to them. There you go, all happy christian-safe now.

      So, yes, the US does censor content coming from foreign countries, the same as this Al-Shamshoons does in Arabia.

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    8. Re:My karma can stand it by VoiceOfRaisin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Melon Farmers is a reference to the BBC TV cut of "Repo Man" where the words Mother-fucker were replaced by Melon farmer

      On Canadian television, "mother fucker" is often censored to "*blank* fucker". yes, they cut out mother and leave the fucker. Im totally serious.

    9. Re:My karma can stand it by croddy · · Score: 4, Funny

      it's ... it's almost ... it's as if people in different parts of the world have different cultural values!

    10. Re:My karma can stand it by coyote_oww · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Dear God, I just don't understand why you Americans put up with all that censoring

      Huh? Great-grandparent was on a US show that was censored in the UK, grandparent was about censoring in Canada?!?

      oh, yeah, this is Slashdot, where it's always America's fault!

    11. Re:My karma can stand it by El+Torico · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, in the Persian (or Arabian) Gulf States, nearly all of the convenience stores (known as cold stores) are run by Indians, so they can keep Apu.

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    12. Re:My karma can stand it by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You aren't. You aren't forced to watch The Simpsons or anything else on TV. You aren't forced to own a TV for that matter. Cultural values != individual values.

      That sword cuts both ways. You aren't forced to listen to Howard Stern or watch explicit television either so why can't they be broadcast?

    13. Re:My karma can stand it by alc6379 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Even funnier...I've seen TV shows, and movies on TV, where for "God Damnit!" they bleep out "God", but leave the "Damnit."

      ***prepares for flamebait mod***
      You can blame that on the religious folks wanting to press their beliefs on you. To them, taking The Lord's name is a BIG no-no.

      But, of course, that brings up another question... If you're saying "damn it", you're cursing something. You're wishing ill, or a curse upon someone. Isn't God kind of implied in doing it? If you're going to bleep it out, it just occurs that you would bleep out the whole God Damned thing.

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  2. D'oh by Misanthrope · · Score: 5, Funny

    D'oh has now been changed to lâ ilâha illâ allâh

    1. Re:D'oh by Mr.+Marabou+Man · · Score: 5, Funny

      Al-Flanders: Salam A liddly diddly leikum neighbor !
      Omar: lâ ilâha illâ allâh !

      Definitely. This is so going to be a hit.

  3. The show will need local humor appeal by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Taking Homer and stripping out all of the Americanisms isn't going to make it funny to people with a mideast cultural sense of humor (it would probably be funnier if they just left the Americanisms in). Homer is a success in America because we are laughing at ourselves. I would bet Omar could be as much of a success if the show could present the same kind of local irreverent humor about life there like it does for life in the US.

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    1. Re:The show will need local humor appeal by Enigma_Man · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wonder what local-arab irreverant humor is like? Any local-arabs have any insight?

      -Jesse

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    2. Re:The show will need local humor appeal by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You could ask Salman Rushdie, who has a Muslim background. He wrote a parody which was not well received by fundamental Muslims, and has been sentanced to death for abandoning the Muslim faith.

      The book was so horrible, that even Cat Stevens agreeded somewhat that Salman should be killed. He later appologized, but the point is-- you're not supposed to agree with the ravings of a lunatic religious leader in the first place.

      My post may have a humorous tone, but the events described above are real.

    3. Re:The show will need local humor appeal by Onan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Look, I know we don't have a "Racist" moderation option, but it turns out that "Funny" is not a close enough approximation.

    4. Re:The show will need local humor appeal by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Intended as humour or not your post makes an extremely good point. The reason we are going to see things like the Simpsons imported is because the Middle East is NOT ready for the same kind of humour made locally about them. While I'm sure there are many, even the majority, of people there that could find something poking fun at themselves funny, the leadership cannot. A real Arab show like the Simpsons would, by necessity, make fun of Islam and the Arabic way of life just as the real Simpsons makes fun of Christianity and the American way of life. There's no way in hell the leadership over there would tolerate such a thing.

      So instead, they are going to get a watered down version of American humour. My bet is that it falls flat. Most people won't understand the humour, and those that do are probably worldly enough to get the unedited version off the Internet.

  4. nuclear heathens by LittleGuernica · · Score: 5, Funny

    The also must be asking what evil people use nuclear power instead of that delicious arab oil! Is the nuclear power plant digitally edited into a oil refinery?

  5. Changing Homer? by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even more damning was the response of Al Jean, executive producer of The Simpsons. He said: "If Homer doesn't drink and eat bacon and generally act like a pig, which I guess is also against Islam, then it's not Homer."

    Sums it up quite nicely I think.. not having seen this of course.

  6. Apu? by OneByteOff · · Score: 4, Funny

    So instead of Apu the Quik-E Mart guy you have... Joe... The Scumy cashier at the Adult Bookstore... Omar : Yes I'd like some lube, gay porn magazines, vibrating finger rings, Goatse DVD 2 and some Illegal fireworks.. Joe : Sir, we don't have any fucking illegal fireworks... *whispers* right this way... */whispers*

  7. Doki Doki Panic by Oxen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This reminds me of the Doki Doki Panic/smb2 incident. Super Mario 2 was originally a Fuji Television promotion starring an arabian family called Doki Doki Panic. The people at Nintendo USA thought the Japanese version of SMB2 was too difficult, so they changed the Arabian characters in Doki Doki Panic to Mario and his friends. It's a really interesting story. Check out more here.

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  8. In the first episode by Bullfish · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lisa is stoned to death when Badr steals her burka while playing in a park and Omar is pummeled when he is found with contraband spare ribs and a copy of Maxim

  9. What's with all the Apu comments? by lightspawn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You do realize he's not an arab, right? Right?

    1. Re:What's with all the Apu comments? by jayhawk88 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Heh.

      Rev. Lovejoy: The lesson is that all of God's children can come together and help their fellow man, whether they be (motions to Flanders) Christian, (motions to Krusty), Jewish, or (motions to Apu).....Miscellaneous!
      Apu (annoyed): Hindu. HINDU! There are 600 million of us, you know.
      Rev. Lovejoy: Oh, that's super!

      Paraphrased, but you get the idea.

  10. Re:Will Lisa and Marge... by geekster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Probably just a spoof... but who knows :)

  11. Re:mistake in the article by christopherfinke · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article writers have made a mistake in addition. 60% of the population is below 20, and 40% is under 15, that makes 100% of the population under 21


        40% under 15
    + 20% ages 16 - 20
    ==================
    = 60% under 20

  12. Apu by temojen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apu is Hindu and from India, not Muslim from Arabia. Many of the stereotypes about Indians are probably held in common.

  13. Re:From the article... by Rayonic · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why can't you just keep your own cultural identity instead of trying to be the same as us?

    Fark that! I can't wait to start downloading subtitled copies of the arab-language Simpsons.

    Heck, if this new Simpsons catches on, maybe certain societies will start to accept that self-ridicule can be both constructive and funny.

    You can't keep a human culture under glass, sterile and preserved for all eternity. Cultures grow and evolve -- the strongest ones have no problem taking in new ideas and putting their own spin on them.
  14. Re:Can they handle it? by Divide+By+Zero · · Score: 5, Funny

    some sort of cookie instead of a donut

    For the record, it's a kahk.

    He's a kahk-gobbler.

    Omar al-Shamshoon loves the kahk.

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  15. I can hear it now... by St.+Vitus · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Don't have a camel, man!"

  16. Re:It just won't be the same! by Red+Alastor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I live in Quebec (Canada) and we have a french version since forever. They tried for years to make the text more "local" and it ended up being very weird someone because some things just don't fit out of the US context. You laugh anyway because you still get the original joke. And someone it just doesn't fit so much that they keep it american ("I never been so proud to be American" in front of the toilet that flush like in America).

    On the other hand, this is the only show where I think that the voice acting is better than the original. Not that the original voice acting isn't good but actors in the french version are just doing a better job.

    Fortunately, the ones for the last few years are more sane and portray the familly as 100% american.

    But the worse adaptation we have is King of the Hill. They decided to remove any and all reference to US in the text and turns it into total nonsense.

    Both shows are funny to watch even tranlated but we are in a North American context too and can understand the jokes even when they are butchered. I guess it won't be the case in middle east...

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  17. ITP I fix the typo from the parent post: by RLiegh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me ask you, in Saudi Arabia how likely is it to put forth atheistic and/or anti-muslim views and have them broadcast...and if, by some miracle you were able to; what would happen to you?

    1. Re:ITP I fix the typo from the parent post: by Golias · · Score: 4, Funny

      The problem with a watered-down Simpsons is that the subversive nature of the show is the only thing that makes it worth watching.

      It's (some would say deliberately) poorly drawn, cheaply animated, and while the voice cast is now famous, they used to be relative nobodys (with maybe one exception). The story arc is your basic sitcom family living a basic life. The subversive twists are what make it funny.

      I think they ought to leave the shows exactly as they are. They would give foreign audiences a pretty good idea of what life is like over here.

      Plus, it would be fun to watch Mall of America tourists look around for the "Leftorium."

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  18. er... by Morinaga · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Do Arab countries have...

    7-11s run by Indian guys
    Nuclear Power Plants
    Catholic or Christian churches with Evangelical stereotypes
    Comic book stores
    Nursing homes
    donuts
    Tom and Jerry
    American Football, Politics, National Forests, and dive bars?

    If not, how is a majority of this humor going to translate? It's a heavy parody of American culture. I'm just not sure how that's supposed to sell.

    1. Re:er... by MouseR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's called localisation.

      In Quebec, the Simpsons are the same episodes at what you see in the states. There has been a number of translated signs but they've been mostly subtitled. However, the dialog content is extremely localized, to a point where the same episode in french canadian and US english are actually more like two different episodes. Let me give you an example;

      There's an episode where Krusty ends up facing his daughter for the first time, wich he ignored the existence of. He explains how he meet her mother in the first Iraq war where they both served and that after a torrid night of sex, she had missed her rendez-vous point where she could have sniper-shot Sadam. They loose each-other, she gives birth and since has been very angry at Krusty. So far, same episode in Quebec and US. But when Krusty enters this little girl's apartment, he sees paintings of dead and murdered clowns painted by her mother. in Quebec, krusty exclaims "Wow... on dirait Murielle Millard sur l'acide!".

      Just thinking of that makes me laugh, still.

      It translates to "Wow, it looks like Murielle Millard on acids". That's is. nothing else. This stuff is purely localized top-culture material. you'd have to know that Murielle Millard is a top class theater actrice, a class act woman, always proper and that also had a signing and acting career earlier on. A few years ago, she held her own paintings varnishing expo in a classy arts gallery in Montréal. It made the news. Most (all?) her painting were of clowns.

      Pure comedy for grown-ups. I'm laughing again.

      That's how the Simpsons can be well localized. Even for arabs. Two arab friends where I work were laughing already at Homer's donuts becoming Omar's [insert-arab-round-cake-pastry-name-wich-I-forgot- here]. It may very well be a hit.

  19. My karma can stand it, too by Spetiam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm interested to see what they do about Krusty, who's Jewish.

    Remember that episode where Sideshow Bob programs Bart, while wearing a suicide bomber's belt, to hug Krusty and blow him up? In the original version: ...yet another "kill Krusty" scheme, this time by hypnotizing Bart into becoming a suicide bomber and killing Krusty on the show. However, at the last minute, Krusty makes an on-air apology to Sideshow Bob for all the pain he's caused him, causing Sideshow Bob to have a change of heart. Sideshow Bob warns everybody that Bart is a bomb, prompting Krusty's monkey to swoop in and throw the bomb away (the only people hurt are the evil network executives, whose body parts merge into a T-1000 like monster).

    With "Badr" as the new protagonist, what happens in that episode now?

    Did I just give away the ending?

  20. Japan has lowest teen pregnancy rate , USA highest by marcybots · · Score: 4, Informative

    If showing sexual content and harsh language to children leads to the lowest birthrate among teenager, then we should do that...since we have the highest teenage birth rate. Japan's is 4, ours is 64, and this data comes from unicef.org, not exactly a obscure or untrustworthy source.

    http://www.unicef.org/pon96/inbirth.htm

    Saying "Did you ever consider that maybe Japan's culture is wrong?" shows not only that you are a idiot, but that you have no idea that not only do people in Japan have less sex, and lower crime rates. So to say that they are somehow immoral because of what they show their children is idiotic, they know how to raise their children, they dont let their televisions do it for they as you obviously let your television do. Stop berating people of other nations and start looking at the problems in your own home you intolerant ignoramus!

  21. Re:Japan has lowest teen pregnancy ... by pbhj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >>> "... you intolerant ignoramus!"

    Presumably you mean you can't tolerate him?

    Oh and just because a nation has a low level of teenage pregnancy doesn't mean it doesn't have a high level of sexual depravity (rorikon? schoolgirl pants in vending machines?) it just means you've been blinded by the prevalence of one set of behaviours into thinking association (or maybe even correlation) implies causation. [Perhaps you think sexual depravity is OK, but that doesn't stop your implied conclusion from being poorly supported].

    If a nation allows husbands to beat their wives and coincidentally has low rates of teenage pregnancy (causally connected or no?) then by your reckoning $nationOfYourOrigin should encourage wife beating.

    And finally ... just because you disagree with a person doesn't make them ignorant. For all you know he may be Japanese (seems unlikely I know).

    Seems to me Freud would say something about a society majorly into repression causing the ultimate out-bursting of the repressed emotion in deviant behaviour; if Japan were such a repressive society, perhaps due to an obsession with ancestor worship then this might explaing the results. I am absolutely not saying this is the case with Japan, I am not a Japan scholar by any stretch of the imagination. I guess I'm just an intolerant, ignoramus.

  22. Re:I looked it up. by Darby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Guess what: the landmass we live on is called "America."

    Guess what: No it isn't.
    The landmass I live on is called *North* America. There is a formerly connected until they dug a big trench through it landmass known as *South* America. Pretty infrequently they are jointly referred to as *The* America*s*

    There is no solo landmass referred to as America although the middle country in *North* America is very frequently referred to as America.

    What exactly is so confusing about this?!?

  23. Re:Japan has lowest teen pregnancy ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    [Perhaps you think sexual depravity is OK, but that doesn't stop your implied conclusion from being poorly supported].

    OK, well, here goes. My as well post AC on this one. I'm Japanese, and live in Tokyo. Sexual depravity does not explain the situation. Japan is very open to sex in general, and has a thriving large sex industry. No, not the underground, illegal, dangerous industry as seen in other parts of the world (although there is a small bit of this too), but a regulated, legal industry. Want sex? Can't get any for free? Pay for it!

    Whether you like the idea or not, it seems to work over here. The women get paid generously, of which the majority aren't forced into the trade as slaves or anything. As for sex related crime rates, well, there are still unfortunately a lot of "chikan" in the trains, but rape is way down on the list. Got drunk, wanna fuck? Well, I think the fact that you can walk into a brothel and get some sorta decreases the drive to actually rape anyone. Afterall, I find it amazing that rape rates are so low considering how much we drink, and how drunk we get.

    And finally ... just because you disagree with a person doesn't make them ignorant. For all you know he may be Japanese (seems unlikely I know).

    Not the grandparent, but ask and though shalt receive.

    if Japan were such a repressive society, perhaps due to an obsession with ancestor worship then this might explain the results. I am absolutely not saying this is the case with Japan, I am not a Japan scholar by any stretch of the imagination. I guess I'm just an intolerant, ignoramus.

    Japan is repressive in a lot of ways, but very open in others compared to western nations. Sex is one of them, public drunkness another, and so on so forth. I don't think you can really compare them head on and expect to see a clear correlation of facts without considering a whole boat load of intricate details.

    That said, here's my take on the issue. In Japan, there are no real dirty words to start out with. There are bad words, some are censored, but none have the same connotation as "fuck" in the English language. You could probably interpret this as being that there ARE words like this (kuso = shit, direct translation) but there's no stigma attached to them, and thus they aren't really that "dirty". So the Japanese have a difficult time in general understanding how a word like "shit" and "fuck" could be such dirty words, merely because there's no comparative word or even the concept.

    As for nudity and sexual images in children's anime, it's all in moderation I suppose. For example, you can't show genitals in any publications in Japan. None. It's illegal. TV, magazines, photos, what not. (And I'm not talking about children's stuff here, I'm talking about porn.) On the other hand, the general concept is that boys will be boys, girls will be girls, and no ammount of censorship will change the fact that they'll eventually be intrigued by their sexuality. So what's the point in trying to pretend it doesn't exist. That's why mild nudity is no big deal in anime. Some parents don't want their kids to watch it, or watch it until a certain age, and they control that. But it's not a big deal.

    As for teen pregnancy, I suspect there's a bit of a twist here. I think it's more prevalent than unicef makes it out to be, but that there are a lot of abortions that probably go un-reported. If you're an anti-abortionist then this may shock you, but it's not a big deal in Japan. Historically Japan has not exactly been a thriving nation where everyone had plenty to eat. Kids were occasionally "pruned" to make sure the entire village wouldn't starve at times. Same goes for the elderly. In times of famine, this makes sense, but I suppose there was a high probability of famine back in the day. (I'm talking 150+ years ago.) I suspect that such trends help in creating an atmosphere that the unborn are, well, unborn and not quite hum

  24. Better than the corn growers by Simonetta · · Score: 4, Funny

    When the American 60's TV situation comedy "Hogan's Heroes" was finally able to be shown in Germany, there was the delicate issue of the various 'Heil Hitler' salutes done by the various Nazi officers. Delicate because this gesture is illegal (as I understand it) on television shows in the post-war German Republic.
        So, (I'm been told) whenever anyone makes a stiff arm salute, the voice-over dubbing says "Look how high the corn grows!".
        I wonder if young Germans ever insult their bosses and superiors by calling them 'corn growers' as an oblique reference to their acting like fascist assholes.