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Alleged Adware Purveyor Indicted

weeva writes "Wired News reports that federal prosecutors have indicted a 20-year-old California man for installing adware on 400,000 Windows machines he compromised with a variant of RxBot. Jeanson Ancheta allegedly pulled in $60,000 in affiliate fees from porn pop-up company Gammacash, and 180solutions subsidiary ZangoCash. The feds hope to seize his BMW."

126 comments

  1. Congratulations!! by Senes · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone give those guys a free iPod.

    1. Re:Congratulations!! by op12 · · Score: 1

      Sure, just sign up for these great deals which have no strings attached*!



      * By no strings attached we mean there are actually many, many strings attached.

    2. Re:Congratulations!! by darkonc · · Score: 1

      Or, even better yet -- a Sony music CD!

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  2. So . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So when will Sony be indicted?

    1. Re:So . . . by Beatbyte · · Score: 4, Funny

      You'll see signs. Aeronautical swine are probably the most visible.

    2. Re:So . . . by AdamWeeden · · Score: 1

      Coinciding with a noticable temperature decrease in a certain Christian netherworld.

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    3. Re:So . . . by Daetrin · · Score: 1
      You'll see signs. Aeronautical swine are probably the most visible.

      You mean like this?

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  3. Hurhurhur by HugePedlar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Go on - someone make a joke about porn pop-ups, please!

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    1. Re:Hurhurhur by debilo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Go on - someone make a joke about porn pop-ups, please!

      I'd pay for those!

    2. Re:Hurhurhur by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny

      Go on - someone make a joke about porn pop-ups, please!

      I'd pay for those!


      Okay:

      One day Lil porn popup says to his father: I want to get married.
      Father: Oh yeah, do you have someone in mind?
      Porn popup: Yeah, grandma
      Father: Well, there is a problem, you want to marry my mother.
      Porn popup: so what? you married mine...

      Can I get the cash now?

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    3. Re:Hurhurhur by debilo · · Score: 1

      Can I get the cash now?

      Slut.

  4. Re:Not much by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

    Get in 400.000 machines only to earn $60,000

    You know, he just *might* have automated the process of getting into each machine...

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  5. Stick it to him by siphonophore · · Score: 3, Funny

    By "seize his BMW" I hope they mean "seize his head and put it on a pike in the Internet town square between Google and MSN."

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    1. Re:Stick it to him by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny

      By "seize his BMW" I hope they mean "seize his head and put it on a pike in the Internet town square between Google and MSN."

      In other news: a decapitated head found on Internet town square strangely smells of rotten fish...

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    2. Re:Stick it to him by crackbaby58 · · Score: 1

      I hope this happens to his BMW instead: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=3069 12

    3. Re:Stick it to him by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Why punish the car? It didn't do anything wrong.
      In that vein, somebody in my neighborhood got TPed last week. Apparently someone also sparay painted on their car. I hope whoever did it gets caught and has to cough up $20,000 to replace their car, plus go to jail for awhile, and reimburse the county for the time they spend in prison.

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  6. So what happens to the Companies by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    180solutions and Gammacash have put up a show claiming to be the good guys here and helping stop these scurrilous cads . So will there even be an investigation into their affairs.

    Perhaps I am a touch cynical , but I very much doubt they had no idea how a lot of their affiliates work . Did they even look into the business they work with , see if they are legitimate . Perhaps they did not know and were just inept , I very much doubt it though .

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    1. Re:So what happens to the Companies by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Perhaps they did not know and were just inept , I very much doubt it though .

      They probably did not know, because they did not want to know. Their policy was probably 'ask no questions, get no lies': you don't investigate at all into your affiliates' businesses, and then when the faeces strike the ventilator you can honestly claim ignorance...

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    2. Re:So what happens to the Companies by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      They probably did not know, because they did not want to know.

      They certainly knew that, it's a part of their core business after all.

      And even if they somehow didn't indent to run malwarevertising, they certainly watch closely where their money go. You don't pay a subsidiary for something you don't even know what it is.
      A friend of mine, someone who got suckered into HerbaLife (a nasty Amway-like scheme), used to hire students to give people leaflets. And of course, if he didn't supervise them, all leaflets tended to be dumped into a trash can. Sure, you can only do limited supervision, but no one is stupid enough to pay for advertising and not check how (and if!) it is done.

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    3. Re:So what happens to the Companies by cduffy · · Score: 1

      Well, obviously they know that the advertising is done -- the ads and clicks are pulled from their servers.

      What they didn't know is whether the users consented to the installation of the software displaying the ads -- the binaries they provided had a EULA which folks were just expected not to read; this fellow modified the copy he was distributing to no longer request or retrieve the user's consent.

      Arguably, so long as the binaries they provide Do The Right Thing, they're legitimate wrt pushing the blame on the guy who made and distributed the modified version on users w/o their consent.

    4. Re:So what happens to the Companies by adtifyj · · Score: 3, Funny

      and then when the faeces strike the ventilator you can honestly claim ignorance...

      It doesnt matter how the shit ended up on your face; it doesnt look good.

    5. Re:So what happens to the Companies by NineNine · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, GammaCash has been an affiliate program for a long time. They have a good reputation (if not quite the best payouts). The porn industry pretty much self-regulates. Legitimate porn purveyors don't spam. It's these amateurs that give us a bad name.

    6. Re:So what happens to the Companies by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      So will there even be an investigation into their affairs.

      Dunno. Doubtful though.

      What I have noticed is that there is some kind of fairly comfortable abstraction from reality and personal responsibility, and that abstraction does exactly that. The "corporation" is nothing real, yet they are spoken as if they are a real entity in the eye of the public and the government. The corporation can transcend local, state, and federal laws. Can never be held personally responsible for anything they do, usually at most pay a fine. I've noticed that it goes the other way too with the government. The US and state governments cannot do things like require people to go to mental health therapy and make them pay for it out of their pocket. But they can say that you broke the law, then another part of the government like say DMV (automobile driving division) says you must volunteer to to another division, say ASAP "Alcohol Safety Awareness Program", which in turn can then make you volunteer again to go to private and paid for counseling.

      Anyway, these two companies did the same thing. They hired some 20 year old kid to do their dirty work, and he is getting busted, while they are completely insulated from it.

      Kinda slick, eh?

      On a side note, I have a real issue with the last line of the summary that says, "The feds hope to seize his BMW."

      As much as I hate spammers, I hate much more that feds go around "hoping" to take somebody's property. WTF? That is another thing that is becoming way too popular with our government. Good thing the 2nd amendment is still there to keep things from going too far.

    7. Re:So what happens to the Companies by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Insightful
      As much as I hate spammers, I hate much more that feds go around "hoping" to take somebody's property. WTF?

      The word 'hope' is used because they, the Feds, have to prove that the car was purchased with funds from the illegal enterprise. This is similar to how property from drug dealers is confiscated. The Feds show that the property was purchased using proceeds from the drug sales.

      In other words, they are depriving the person the fruits of their illegal operations.

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    8. Re:So what happens to the Companies by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they did not know and were just inept , I very much doubt it though .

      You can doubt better than that. No business is going to spend that much money without getting feedback on results and knowing their methods to ensure they are not fraudulent. After all, if I wasn't being watched, I could just buy a hundred or so PCs, infect them, wipe them out, re-infect...so on and so on...

      There's no doubt that they knew and a very high certainty that they don't care... they likely feel that since someone else is doing it, they are in the clear. But isn't that like a mob boss saying "whack'm" or "take care o' d'problem" to a hitman? He is a hitman and while the boss never said "kill that person" there is an understanding of intended meaning. And in this case, I believe there is an understanding that these people use unlawful/illegal means of installing software onto machines out there and while they are paying for this service of having the software installed, they have a reasonable understanding that the method isn't ethical at the very least.

    9. Re:So what happens to the Companies by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      This is similar to how property from drug dealers is confiscated. The Feds show that the property was purchased using proceeds from the drug sales.

      In other words, they are depriving the person the fruits of their illegal operations.


      Right, I understand where they are coming from, I just don't think its right for them to specifically "hope" for such a thing to happen. Its like someone the other day "hoping" that someone would get raped in prison for stealing their identity.

      I doubt that if they had purchased a barely working 1983 Chevy Chevette, that they would "hope" so much. A BMW is a status symbol for many, and that removal is what they are hoping for. Our freedom from being raped is a sign of status to some extent, and they are hoping for that removal as well.

      I've had my property taken by the police for much less of a crime or nuisance than what this guy has done, and this was without a trial or conviction of a crime. It was on the spot by the police. And that is wrong in my opinion. To me that is theft, and that is against the law.

      I never heard of people hoping that Martha Stewart would loose her property, nor for Kenneth Lay of Enron fame to loose his property. And they have probably acquired much more than this guy through their special crimes.

      I don't have an answer. Punishment is something that is very difficult to do right. I've seen on the news where a guy who was either charged or convicted of growing and selling marijuana bought back his house that he was growing it in when it went for sale at an auction. It was almost an outrage that he was able to get his property back, even though he did it completely legally. Its just an attitude that I don't care for, and it has gotten easier by some means for the police just to take property.

      I simply think its a violation of people's rights, especially when a conviction is not involved. When someone goes to jail or prison, they have temporarily lost all of their external possessions and freedoms, and its difficult for those people to get reintegrated into society. If there is financial restitution that has been established, then take cash. Let the people sell their BMW or house if need be. Garnish wages. Just don't go around taking property.

    10. Re:So what happens to the Companies by merdark · · Score: 1

      What? If the guy made 60k, then make him pay 90k to the gov. (you know, interest and all that). Why sieze anything?

      If the guy does not pay, then start siezeing property.

    11. Re:So what happens to the Companies by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you're right. Still, their whole business model is built on adware and spam — there's just no other way for their affiliates to generate enough hits to keep them in business. As with so many seamy businesses, it isn't what you know, it's what people can prove you know.

    12. Re:So what happens to the Companies by DustMagnet · · Score: 1

      The Feds, have to prove that the car was purchased with funds from the illegal enterprise.

      This wasn't true for a long time. RICO seizures are civil actions, not criminal punishments. That means you have to prove it's more likely purchased with legal fund before you can get it back. This happened to many people and is well documented. The Supreme Court said it was ok. Then the feds "tried" to seize a tobacco company's ill-gotten gains. Suddenly the Supreme Court changes the rules, now they have to use a criminal seizure, not a civil one. I don't know how that affects normal citizens vs. big companies. I'm not a lawyer, I just hate RICO and think if it is going to be used against little people (instead king pins as congress intended) then it should be used against the big evil's in our country.

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    13. Re:So what happens to the Companies by Josuah · · Score: 1

      If I tell you I installed your software on 400,000 machines, and ask you for $60k. How likely is it you will assume I was able to accomplish that legitimately?

      Actually, I take that back. Adware gets put into games and other downloads all the time now. In that situation, it's quite possible I could distribute the adware to 400,000 machines quickly.

  7. Just 60,000? by Sattwic · · Score: 1

    400,000 computers and just 60,0000$? Or 60,000$ per month?

    1. Re:Just 60,000? by Senes · · Score: 3, Informative

      $60,000 over the course of one year. As annoying as spam is, it really does not pay well unless done in large amounts. The big catch here was that very little was invested into making that money because other people's computers were doing all of the grunt work.

  8. Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor by putko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The guy ran bots -- he took control of thousands of PCs, and used them for purposes like sending spam.

    Taking control of thousands of PCs, is unauthorized use of someone's computer, which is illegal.

    That's much worse than Talmudically tricking folks into loading up some Adware (e.g. if you want to run the P2P, you are also agreeing to run our adware bot).

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    1. Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor by fmwap · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not necessarily...consider this, what's worse:

      Your wife divorcing you to marry some jerk she met on the internet
      or
      Your wife divorcing you to marry your best friend.

      Point being that, sometimes it's *better* to be fucked over by the man in the black hat, instead of a reputable software company that provides contact information and is only legal because of one sentence burried deep in an EULA...at least thats MHO.

    2. Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, I jumped too when I read this in the MS EULA. "the lord of the ground sal have the maidinhead of all virginis dwelling on the same."

      http://www.fibri.de/jus/arthbes.htm

    3. Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor by pyro_peter_911 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not necessarily...consider this, what's worse:

      Your wife divorcing you to marry some jerk she met on the internet
      or
      Your wife divorcing you to marry your best friend.


      Wait! What? I don't understand why you think there's a problem with either of these options.

      Peter

    4. Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor by gstoddart · · Score: 2
      Taking control of thousands of PCs, is unauthorized use of someone's computer, which is illegal.

      That's much worse than Talmudically tricking folks into loading up some Adware

      Jeez, nice way to inject a pointless (and unrelated) ehtnic slur into an otherwise intelligent post.

      Is that even remotely necesary? I'm a friggin' WASP and that's offensive.

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    5. Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor by scheming+daemons · · Score: 1

      Sure there is... why would you want that to happen to your best friend?

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      don't have as many people who believe it" - George Carlin

    6. Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's not an ethnic slur and it's not offensive. I'm Jewish, and it's meant to be funny -- it's about the humorously nitpicky way of argument (humorous nowadays, that is), not some ethnic characteristic.

      Thank you for expressing concern, but in this case it turned out to be unnecessary.

      (And for the record, I thought it actually was quite funny, very well executed)

    7. Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      Actually, it's not an ethnic slur and it's not offensive. I'm Jewish, and it's meant to be funny -- it's about the humorously nitpicky way of argument (humorous nowadays, that is), not some ethnic characteristic.

      Thank you for expressing concern, but in this case it turned out to be unnecessary.

      Errr ... now I feel like an ass. My apologies to the OP. :-P

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    8. Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your wife divorcing you to marry your best friend.

      "She did what? But I'm your best friend!"

      "Not anymore!"

      Thank you, and don't forget to tip your server!

  9. Noble Cause by GodOfCode · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why does this always happen to men who work for noble causes?! After all, this chap was just facilitating the distribution of knowledge and information.

    1. Re:Noble Cause by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      I agree. Giving someone free sexual information is a noble cause. With all the fuss you would think he made millions installing rootkits.

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  10. evil axes to grind by dankelley · · Score: 3, Funny

    Damn him, for buying a car not made by US workers.

    1. Re:evil axes to grind by JonathanR · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wot, an X5 or a Z4? They're made in South Carolina.

    2. Re:evil axes to grind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, jobs which should have gone to hard working, deserving Germans rather than being outsourced to some 3rd world flea pit where they will work for peanuts.

    3. Re:evil axes to grind by SB5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not all of South Carolina is a 3rd world flea pit. They do have some nice beaches and other nice places there.

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  11. Re:Not much by Voltageaav · · Score: 3, Insightful

    15 Cents a computer. $60,000 in a little over one year. With a quick search on Yahoo Jobs, the lowest paying IT security jobs start out at $75,000 with five years of IT experiance. I grant you that he was only 20 and likely didn't have much experiance you could put on a resume, but he likely could have been making $100,000 by the time he was 30 working for the other side without the risk.

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  12. Forget the BMW... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seize his nuts with some bolt cutters and throw the rest of him in gaol as an example to the rest of the spyware-producing world.

  13. Simple by wehup · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems like the feds could clean all of this up by launching a quick investigation into *every* affiliate of the spyware/adware companies. The only way an affiliate can get someone to load this junk is by trickery or exploit.

    1. Re:Simple by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seems like the feds could clean all of this up by launching a quick investigation into *every* affiliate of the spyware/adware companies. The only way an affiliate can get someone to load this junk is by trickery or exploit.

      Not so. Plenty of fine-print boilerplate associated with online games or other things will do the same. For example... you offer a free Java-based garden or room design program. Then you make sure that people running web sites for interior decorators or garden clubs know that they can link to it for free. People use it, and agree to the terms without thinking. Presto, you've got permission to drop a litte proxy or tool bar or other naughtiness on their machine. They've asked you to, without thinking about the consequences. People looking to play a free game of poker or do a crossword puzzle are easily seduced that way.

      Of course, that all takes some work, and most sleazy affiliates are way too lazy to do it the "honest" way. And the ones that do it fine-print-loophole way are still facing lawsuits because the tactics, while literally OK, are still clearly attempting to fool people.

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    2. Re:Simple by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Nonono, all they have to do is make owning a BMW illegal. Problem solved.

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    3. Re:Simple by wehup · · Score: 1

      "use it, and agree to the terms without thinking." might that be classified as "trickery"?

    4. Re:Simple by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      "use it, and agree to the terms without thinking." might that be classified as "trickery"?

      Actually, my point was that it's more like "not thinking." Or, "not reading." Or, "assuming that, generally, people are good and nice, and that they want to give me something for free with no strings attached because I'm also nice."

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    5. Re:Simple by wehup · · Score: 1

      good point...
      maybe it should have been "by exploit, trickery, or seduction". Perhaps what is needed for affiliates to present something like the following: YES - I want to see more ads.. YES - I want to screw up my computer YES - I want you to screw up my computer again if I try to fix it YES - I trust you to install more software goodies whenever you want YES - ......... Seriously, I wonder what percentage of affiliates installation would fall into each category. (exploit, trickery, seduction, or the user actually agrees that the adware/spyware is worth it)

  14. 60,000 for installations only by nietsch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So this guy had the installation hacked up so he didn't need any users permission to install the spyware. Why on earth didn't he also hack the display of the popups so they were shown to /dev/null (or whatever the windows variant is) instead of to the user. The most succesfull virusses are the ones that affect their host the least. Or if it was really only the installations, why not fake the installation?

    Worms/bots/virusses usually try to patch the vulnr they entered with. If they extended this behavior to keep windows fully patched then they could even be beneficial to their victims/hosts. That would increase the chances of survival of the malware even more.

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    1. Re:60,000 for installations only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He wasn't getting paid for adwaring computers, he was getting paid for getting people to go to his employers' websites. The pop-up is a link, and whe the person clicks, he gets paid. It's probably even a little more complex than that.

    2. Re:60,000 for installations only by perlplex · · Score: 1

      The companies would have most likely dropped him if he was producing that many hits/installations/whatever and 0 out of 400,000 became customers.

  15. Re:Bubba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like you speak from experience, eh?

  16. Overheard at FBI... by mrselfdestrukt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fed1: Let's see, we can go after any one of these 3 guys.
    Fed2: What cool stuff do they have?
    Fed1: Well, this one guy has a bike and a couple of laptops.The other one has a BMW and a couple of ipods and the other guy a Toyota and a house.
    Fed2: Hmm. That's a difficult one. I'd say,lets go after guy number 2 with the BMW and we keep quiet about the ipods and pocket them. In a month it will blow over and my wife can drive the BMW.
    Fed1: But I want a bike!
    Fed2: Focus pinky!

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    1. Re:Overheard at FBI... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fed2: Focus pinky!

      Would have been funnier if you had captialized and punctuated it properly.

      Fed2: Focus, Pinky!

      or even the alternate

      Fed2: Focus, Pinky! Focus!

      (It's like I'm talking to the walls around here!)

  17. Seizing by MECC · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The feds hope to seize his BMW."

    Hopefully they'll seize other things of his that start with the letter 'B'

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    "We are all geniuses when we dream"
    - E.M. Cioran
    1. Re:Seizing by hamburger+lady · · Score: 1

      buick?

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    2. Re:Seizing by zootm · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bentley?

    3. Re:Seizing by GreekPimpSlap · · Score: 0, Redundant
    4. Re:Seizing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:Seizing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The feds hope to seize his BMW."

      What they meant was, drive it around without any oil, until the engine block becomes a block of scrap!

    6. Re:Seizing by zootm · · Score: 1

      Considering that your post was just before the post that made yours "Redundant", that does seem a little unfair.

    7. Re:Seizing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, apparently /. mods think a Bentley is a hell of a lot funnier than a Buick. Who knew?

    8. Re:Seizing by mr.+methane · · Score: 1

      Buttsecks. Oh, wait, that's what he's going to get, not lose.

      So, 20 years old, broke, in jail looking forward to getting out in a few years with a felony conviction and a lifetime of employment sweeping up cigarette butts.

      All in all, a nice day indeed.

    9. Re:Seizing by MECC · · Score: 1

      Actually, /. might add another type of mod for the original intent of a reply.
      That way, the rest of /. visitors could see if the modders think a comment/reply was as funny/insightfull/interesting/trollfull/flaming/of ftopic/informative as the poster thought the comment was.

      [MECC.reply.score.insightful.5] [modders.reply.score.offtopic.-1]

      While this reply is offtopic with respect to the article, it seems relevant to the previous comment, and modding in general.

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  18. wow, what a kingpin by EllynGeek · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sixty thousand smackeroos, that's the high life all right. After buying the BMW he had gas money for a few weeks.

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    1. Re:wow, what a kingpin by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sixty thousand smackeroos, that's the high life all right. After buying the BMW he had gas money for a few weeks.

      Weeks? I want to know where you are getting your cheap gas.

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      There are no loopholes. It's either legal or it's not.
    2. Re:wow, what a kingpin by bored_geek · · Score: 1

      With only $60k he might even have a car payment http://www.carprices.com/research/make/bmw/2005_bm w_7_series.html

  19. Kids, try this at home by Chapter80 · · Score: 2, Funny
    20-year-old California man... The feds hope to seize his BMW.

    Moral of the story, do this when you are 17! Then you get to keep your BMW.

    1. Re:Kids, try this at home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      ... Jeanson Ancheta ...

      Wow. Even his name is right for the business. I wonder if he's represented by the well-known law firm of Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe?

    2. Re:Kids, try this at home by plover · · Score: 2, Funny
      Actually, I was kind of wondering "which" feds wanted to seize his Beemer, cuz I want to be a part of that crowd:

      "Sweet ride, John, where'd you get that Viper?"
      "Some kid wrote a spambot last week. I'm hoping to bring down this other worm author next week, I hear he's got a mint-condition '62 Vette."
      "Nice. I got a Mercedes yesterday, but there's this Porsche, I mean virus author who has a Porsche, that I'm working on for tomorrow."

      Yeah, I could do that.

      --
      John
  20. Ah, the delicious irony by NetCow · · Score: 2, Funny

    Funnily enough, in Romanian "ancheta" means "investigation".
    Gotta love this...

  21. Hope victims got help to secure their system by Been+on+TV · · Score: 0

    Let's hope the victims got help to clean up and secure their systems. Preferably by moving them to Linux and OS X of course, or they will soon be p0wned again.

    Come to think about it, that'd be a pretty good prospect list for a business to have...

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    The future is in beta
    1. Re:Hope victims got help to secure their system by Ragein · · Score: 1

      Just 1 comment I ran an xp box for something like 2 years with a permanant connection 2 tha net and generally it didnt get messed up. If these people cant run a firewall, antivirus, patch windows, scan for adware everynow and again then what do they expect. Yes i got a few bits of malware but usually sorted it within about 30 mins. Rant over your probably right. But just consider this if every1 where useing linux boxes then all the malware coders will just start writing for that platform. Just make sure your data and network iz safe then watch the other users crumble.

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      They fitted George Orwell's coffin with rollers so he could turn over more easily years ago.
    2. Re:Hope victims got help to secure their system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next up, let's present them with the gobbles sshd exploit. 400k home PC's is a joke compared to that.

      step 1: realize every OS gets exploited and get over it.

  22. I hope... by jcr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hope this is the SOB that's been sending me those goddamned "online pharmacy" ads. They're just about the only ones that are getting through my filters, but I'm seeing 5-10 of them every day.

    -jcr

    --
    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    1. Re:I hope... by Code+Master · · Score: 1

      Yeah, same here. I think my mail program (OS X Mail) has problems with emails with no text content. I'm thinking of making a seperate filter that can handle the link or attachment used in those silly emails.

      --
      The Code Master
    2. Re:I hope... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      Why would you use an online pharmacy *anyway*? The prices are ridiculous and they're all based at PO boxes in the US. Would you seriously buy drugs from something quite as unknown as that? And why would I want to buy drugs without visiting my doctor first?

    3. Re:I hope... by ocelotbob · · Score: 1

      Pharmacy spam goes mainly after people in small and/or tight-knit communities. The kind where going to the drug store and getting viagra will get the town abuzz in no time. They work on the promise of embarassment aversion more than anything else.

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      Marxism is the opiate of dumbasses

    4. Re:I hope... by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      those are interesting headers aren't they! "from: -12393874234" with a fqdn after.

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      Having to work for a living is the root of all evil.
    5. Re:I hope... by Tired+and+Emotional · · Score: 1

      So why do they ship the stuff to you in a plain brown paper wrapping? As soon as the neighbors see you picking something in a plain brown paper wrapping from your letter box they know you are up to no good.

      --
      Squirrel!
  23. The Sad Thing by Comatose51 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The really sad thing is that this month's Inc magazine posted a list they called the "Inc 500" (wantabe Forbes here) and 180Solutions was among the top time companies (maybe #4 IIRC). They are evil but they're making a lot of money.

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    EvilCON - Made Famous by /.
  24. Re:Not much by MrAngryForNoReason · · Score: 3, Insightful
    15 Cents a computer. $60,000 in a little over one year......he likely could have been making $100,000 by the time he was 30 working for the other side without the risk.

    It is hardly as if he was working 9-5 on this 5 days a week. $60,000 for running automated tools to compromise other peoples machines sounds well worth the short amount of time it would take to set up.

    In fact there is nothing in the article to indicate that he wasn't working a day job and doing the rest in his spare time.

  25. Re:Not much by LordFnord · · Score: 2, Insightful
    With a quick search on Yahoo Jobs, the lowest paying IT security jobs start out at $75,000 with five years of IT experiance

    Maybe so, but there's an important difference between "spending 10+ hours a day commuting/working with a real job" and "spending an hour a week reading reports from your bots".

    he likely could have been making $100,000 by the time he was 30 working for the other side without the risk.

    It may also be worth considering how much he could have grown his botnet by the time he was 30, or what other (potentially less risky and more lucrative) illegal activities he could have funded with the profits.

    A criminal lifestyle operates on a totally different risk:reward ratio to a legitimate one. This guy felt the risk was worth the reward, but it didn't work out for him.

  26. No punishment would be too cruel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope they rip off that guy's head and cr@p down his neck. They should treat him cruelly and without mercy. Torture him with the goal of keeping him alive for as long as possible. Find out how many organs he'll live to see removed before his very eyes.

    And I wish the same on 180 solutions, "a better internet", gator and all other scum-sucking adware-morons out there who are only fit to be stamped on!

  27. How many military computers compromised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gives you that warm, fuzzy feeling about national security, doesn't it?

  28. If this were a drug-related case by thedbp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They would have already seized all his property, and even if he was found not guilty, he wouldn't get any of it back.

    This guy may very well turn out to be a scumbag, but until a court of law determines him to be a scumbag, I don't think we should be so smug as to cheer for the fed's inalienable right to take whatever it wants from whomever it wants.

  29. Not enough! by Turbofish · · Score: 1

    Take his car?!! For what he did?!!!

    "Hangin's not good enough!
    Burnin's not good enough!
    He should be torn into itsy, bitsy pieces,
    and BURIED ALIVE!!!!!"


    Seriously, though... at least a public whipping till he needs hospitalization is in order.

    1. Re:Not enough! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice "Heavy Metal" quote...

    2. Re:Not enough! by bored_geek · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately he wasn't quite, right it goes:

      "He's nothing but a low-down, double-dealing, backstabbing, larcenous perverted worm! Hanging's too good for him. Burning's too good for him! He should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!"

      Damn, I really am a geek aren't I.

  30. Yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's let release some unimportant criminal (like a rapist, murder or some other violent felon) and put this Obvious Menace To Society in his place, all at taxpayer's cost

  31. 180 Solutions by HermanAB · · Score: 2, Interesting

    is still free and according to TFA even helping the authorities catch their own pushers. So WTF?

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    Oh well, what the hell...
  32. Plus, it's in their advantage to catch them by rfc1394 · · Score: 1
    The adware supply companies probably have provisions in their contracts causing affiliates to forfeit all unpaid commissions if they are caught spamming. So the adware company not only gets the money paid for the ads the affilliate spammer generated, they don't have to pay the spammer anything!

    This reminds me of how some sweatshops would hire lots of illegal aliens to work for them, then after 3 weeks on the day before they were supposed to be paid, the INS would raid the place and deport them all, so as a result the business owner didn't have to pay them anything! And then he'd start over with a fresh crew.

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    The lessons of history teach us - if they teach us anything - that nobody learns the lessons that history teaches us.
  33. Re:Bubba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like you're eager to gain some.

  34. The real problem? by geobeck · · Score: 2, Funny

    "If you use our advertising software, you absolutely shall not under any circumstances anyway ever make use of hackbots like the ones at www.hakz0rz.com/180solutions/popuphakz/code to install our software on any computer you do not own without the express consent of the user. The instructions at www.hakz0rz.com/180solutions/popuphakz/howto will tell you exactly what you are absolutely not allowed to do under any circumstances anyway ever, *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*."

    Forget the small-timers and go after the real problem.

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    Find environmentally and socially responsible products on http://buy-right.net
    1. Re:The real problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bah! The URLs don't work!

    2. Re:The real problem? by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

      Bah! The URLs don't work!

      The FBI sure works fast, don't it? Imagine that, the FBI reading slashdot...

      Excuse me, there's someone at the door.

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      Tag lost or not installed.
  35. Traitor caught? by Mr.Fork · · Score: 1

    ....The feds hope to seize his BMW...

    Heck, around 2 dozen machines were infected in my government office with that adware vairant. Guess we might be able to claim timeshare on that BMW for the hours they spent cleaning infected machine? I'm hoping for the weekend to Vegas next month.

    --
    Management is doing things right; leadership is doing the right things. - Peter F. Drucker
    1. Re:Traitor caught? by someone1234 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like some people should be fired for downloading unnecessary files by office machines and/or not securing them enough.

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      Patents Drive Free Software as Hurricanes Drive Construction Industry
  36. Re:France surrendered! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The unrest began after teenagers Bouna Traore, aged 15, and Zyed Benna, 17, were accidentally electrocuted at an electricity sub-station in Clichy-sous-Bois.
    Local people say they were fleeing police - a claim the authorities deny. Inquiries are under way.


    So it is the police's fault? What were the 2 kids doing that had the police "chasing them"? Serves 'em fuck'n right. Can't wait to see how thes evolves.

  37. His BMW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The feds hope to seize his BMW

    And carpool in style?

  38. The reality by Peeptophe · · Score: 1

    The Feds shouldn't be bothering with this kid.

    The real problem are the companies running these businesses, not the people "exploiting" a system that was built to be exploited.

    180Solutions is trying to portray themselves as a legitimate business by making comments like "we have updated our adware so that the installation click-wrap notification process is presented from our own servers, instead of inside the code where it's vulnerable to tampering".

    The consumer is the victim and 180Solutions is the criminal. They are nothing more than system, resource and privacy rapists and should be dealt with as exactly that.

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    * Si hoc legere scis numium eruditionis habes *
  39. Ok, I just can't take this bs talk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, I just can't take this bs talk, and you know what? The real problem is the OS it self not the other way around!

    Peace

  40. Re:France surrendered! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are there any Parisians on /. that are following this situation? Are you honestly surprised that this is happening? How long did you think a policy of appeasement was going to work against a people group who thinks that God has told them to murder or subjugate all non-muslims, and who think that they will rule the world from Jerusalem?

  41. Obligatory Simpsons quote by vex24 · · Score: 2

    Homer: "This isn't like those other get-rich-quick schemes, Marge. This one's going to make us rich! And quick!"

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    People shape laws. Not the other way around.

  42. Re:BMW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BMW = Black Man's Woman

  43. Damn fine idea he had, too bad he was caught by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad he got caught, but good thing this will now be done in copycat style globally. Don't kid yourself with empty hopes of further overpowering the too powerful Government to stop this, move HQ offshore away from useless US laws and keep collecting your money. Just think if he really knew what he was doing and had a malicious tendacy to his nature; Those zombies could have been sleepers that exploited that almost hushed Cisco IOS flaw...spreading from backbone to backbone dropping them arcoss the internet until we are back to 1970 for global network functionality.

    Even for all the talk about "focus on the real badguy" nobody has really dropped the crosshairs on the responsible party.

    Your Mom.
    Your Dad.
    Your Brother.
    Your Sister.
    Your Aunt.
    Your Uncle.
    Your Cousin.

    It is solely and purely the fault of the individual person that allowed their machine(s) to be compromised and then REMAIN compromised. Unless you are a Bishop in the Catholic Church (Thomas "Keep em kissin the windshield" O`Brien) in Phoenix, AZ you cannot feign ignorance for your defense if you run somebody over with your car. You are responsible for that vehicle when you practice your right to own and operate one; You excercise your right to own a computer and connect it to a global network physics damnit you are responsible for that computer or LAN behind your gateway. Typical to American arrogance however nobody wants to have to admit responsibility for their mistakes, instead we blame others and waste time and money to have civil servants do their thing. ACCEPT THE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONCE. When the hand of oppression chokes something you cherish, you immediately react such as blaming video games for violence and decay of society and all of America's ills (Jack Thompson anybody? Parents try being parents again for once?). Same concept, different situation. Apply your logic fairly.

    Sure, the issue would diminish if Microsoft would not keep stacking shit on shit and giving it a new name. No matter what kind of syrup you pour over a nice fresh steamy log of shit...it will still be shit and never will be French Toast. But it is not like a big secret that Windows is extremely prone to security exploits; Virus has been a buzzword for a decade now. Should you be that dense and sheltered from the world that you don't know Windows is prone to viruses/trojans, the internet is the last place for you. If you know, and you choose then to ignore that my friends is neglect...yet the majority targets the person clever enough to make money off those ignorant fools and the ones who click.

    My fellow citizens sicken me, wake up.
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  44. This guy's going to need help. by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

    He's going to be sitting in courts for some time with nothing to do but listen to people bitch about him.

    I think we need to send him some reading material. Say, numerous catalog's to his home address. Give him something to read during court...

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    Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
  45. Yes, go read up on the Talmud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and see just how humorous it is.

  46. $60k? really? by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    Do you really believe it is $60K? I'd bet that he hid some of that money. I have a ink spammer whose attorney claims that he is broke, but the discovery that I have examined indicates that he was making between $49k to $70k a month.

    Would a spammer lie? Would a botnet owner that works with spammers lie?

  47. CNN Story by wayward · · Score: 1
    1. Re:CNN Story by 6ame633k · · Score: 1

      Sweet - can I buy his beemr at auction?!

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      You had me at merlot
  48. Click click? by FreakUnique · · Score: 1

    Adware doesn't always require the action of clicking with the mouse. I've had adware attacking me even without clicking on ads. Often cookies are used now to allow the adware to download itself at a set date/time. With more people being perma-connected to the net this is becoming more common. Another example is the dialler program. That just infects random people. I saw this happen to a very good friend of mine. They were surfing their Yahoo mail and they got hit by a dialler. They just find a random IP online and eeny-meeny-miny-mo that one. It's not always the fault of the user. The people who make this are always coming up with new ways to get their crap onto your machine. P.S. I would personally like to get my hands on someone like this and stick their gender in a blender. Then hit the on button and enjoy the Symphony of Sweet Revenge - Movement 1, the screams of the wicked

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    There have been many times when dealing with people that I wished I could kiss my own butt goodbye