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Child's Play 2005 Launch

It's that time of year again! Child's Play 2005 is underway. Child's Play is a charity run every year by Penny Arcade, the well-known online gaming comic created by Gabe and Tycho. Child's Play is your chance to give to the proto-geeks of the world who not only might not have the chance to play games otherwise, but find themselves sick in a hospital during the Holiday season. Child's Play gives money, games, and toys to children's hospitals in the U.S., Canada, and the U.K.. Gabe's kickoff post was put up yesterday on the site. The Child's Play site itself is chok full of information, including a F.A.Q., letters from former patients who have been touched by games in hospice, and an order form for tickets to the second annual Child's Play charity dinner. This last is a swanky shindig with a silent auction, at which you can bid on one-of-a-kind opportunities like a tour of Bungie's studios or the chance to be in a Penny Arcade comic. Most important, though, are the links on the front page of the site to the various Amazon.com wishlists. There, you can purchase a book, game, or toy to have sent to a deserving kid at one of the participating hospitals. These folks are our folks, and if you have anything to give this is the place to do it. Thanks.

147 comments

  1. hmm... by CDPatten · · Score: 0

    I thought Child's Play was a not so scary movie about a doll? ;)

    1. Re:hmm... by eln · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not so scary? My brother had a "My Buddy" doll, which looked uncannily like the doll in Child's Play. He saw the movie when he was maybe 4 years old. After several attempts (all unsuccessful) to give the doll to my sister, he eventually ended up leaving it in the closet. He never touched it again.

      If only this charity had existed back then, the doll could have had the opportunity to traumatize another child.

    2. Re:hmm... by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      Being a card carrying nerd, you of course modified your brother's "My Buddy" doll to say "Hi, I'm Buddy, Wanna Play"..... right?....... Riiiiight?!?!

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  2. Give by MauMan · · Score: 0

    Give until it hurts and then give a little more. It's worth it.

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    1. Re:Give by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 2, Funny

      Am I allowed a say in who gets hurt? 'Cause if so, I'm all *over* this action. I have a list drawn up and everything.

    2. Re:Give by MauMan · · Score: 1

      Absolutely!

      Pain is good. Extreme pain is extremely good.

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  3. Let's go! by Southpaw018 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's show Jack Thompson the what for!

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    1. Re:Let's go! by PhotoBoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No need, Thompson has just bailed the case!

    2. Re:Let's go! by Trepalium · · Score: 1

      He's just making himself available for the press, don't cha know? If he got bogged down in a court room, it would steal valuable time away from appearing on Fox and CNN news. How will he carry out his Holy War against gamers while trapped by the Bar's rules of conduct?.

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    3. Re:Let's go! by DaFallus · · Score: 2, Funny

      From the supplied article:

      This comes alongside the less publicised news that Thompson received, at his home address, a tube of vaginal lubricant, courtesy he feels, of Rockstar.

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    4. Re:Let's go! by Allison+Geode · · Score: 4, Funny

      from that link:

      This comes alongside the less publicised news that Thompson received, at his home address, a tube of vaginal lubricant, courtesy he feels, of Rockstar.

      best laugh i had all day. thanks.

    5. Re:Let's go! by Bemopolis · · Score: 1

      Will Harlan Ellison be there?

      Bemopolis

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    6. Re:Let's go! by higuy48 · · Score: 1

      This is actually pretty spot on. I am donating to Child's Play for the first time this year specifically based on what the PA guys did in the face of Thompson's "satire."

      Of course, I would be donating if the site were freaking working...

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    7. Re:Let's go! by PhotoBoy · · Score: 1

      I'm in the UK so I've never heard Thompson speak but I've always imagined he sounds like Pastor Richards from Vice City with his rantings about immorality...

  4. memories by sedyn · · Score: 5, Interesting
    When I was younger I was a patient at one of the hospitals that is on the list. At the time, I found it odd that they had a gameboy for me to play just before surgery. It's one of the few memories I have of the day (other than waking up while I was still bleeding heavily, but that sticks with a person).

    Now to determine how much money to donate to it...

    As a side note, anyone know anything about get well gamers? They seem to be asking for non-monitary donations, but as I recall, last year Gabe said they weren't allowed to give already used stuff (I could be wrong on this).

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    1. Re:memories by eln · · Score: 1

      they weren't allowed to give already used stuff

      I'm not sure if that's true, but it would make sense. I'd imagine it would be very difficult to sterilize a piece of electronics (especially a well-used piece of electronics) sufficiently to be used by a patient with a suppressed immune system without destroying said electronics.

    2. Re:memories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good call, that's the exact reason.

      Second on the FAQ list in the 'About' section.

    3. Re:memories by steveo777 · · Score: 1
      Yeah, my brother had a similar experience with a MN hospital. They carted in a Nintendo that had Zelda or Mario Bros on it. At the time, we were allowed to play Commodore 64 games very rarely (IE, snow levels taller than we were, or temperature -40 or less), and even less we played our uncle's Intellevision (which was passed on to me when he passed, I'll never give that up).

      I remember specifically that, at least for my brother, all the tension of the catheter up his you know what, and the multiple surgeries and the finding of a mysterious third kidney (which I have claimed, just in case I break my current models). Unfortunately, I was so infatuated by that Nintendo, that I really wanted to go visit him so I could see or play the games, it's quite sad, really, but that was long ago.

      Later that year, we found a Nintendo hiding in the laundry room just prior to Christmas and almost exploded with delight. For a few days we pretended we didn't know about it, then I forgot completely, so my surprise was genuine when we unwrapped it.

      I'll be contributing to a local hospital if I can find a program, but PA will be getting some cash anyway.

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    4. Re:memories by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      As a side note, anyone know anything about get well gamers? They seem to be asking for non-monitary donations, but as I recall, last year Gabe said they weren't allowed to give already used stuff (I could be wrong on this).

      Childs Play does not accept used games but Get-well-gamers.org does. They even accept broken games which they repair or scavenge for parts.

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    5. Re:memories by SlamMan · · Score: 1

      Hospitals prefer new stuff as opposed to used stuff, for the same reason they discourage stuffed animals: they're a magnet for dirt and dust, harmful in a hospital.

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    6. Re:memories by tbfromny · · Score: 1

      My 4-year-old son has leukemia, and has had a variety of hospital stays over the past two years. We've been lucky -- we haven't had too many hospital stays -- but we know other cancer kids that spend just weeks and weeks in the hospital. Most of these kids are sick enough to need hospitalization (many due to reduced immunity), but not so sick that they can't do stuff.

      Hospital stays can be (among other things) extremely boring. There's only so much TV you can watch. Most pediatric wings will have some sort of a game room, but even that gets old. My 4-year-old obviously can't play really complicated video games, but we've had fun playing the games he can handle.

      Please help this organization out. Also, as others have mentioned, give blood! Thanks!

    7. Re:memories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello, this is Ryan Sharpe, from The Get-Well Gamers Foundation. In regards to concerns about the infectious nature of used games and systems, the Foundation always makes sure to give each game, conroller, cord and system a thorough disinfection with alcohol and peroxide before labeling it and sending it off to one of our member hospitals. While such tedium might be impractical for the sheer volume of donations Gabe and Tycho get, I and the other volunteers here at the Foundation are happy to go through it so that our pediatric wards can get new (to them) systems and games year-round. If any of you /.ers have any questions or would like to see one of your local hospitals recieve FOundation support, feel free to e-mail us at GetWellGamers@gmail.com.

      Thanks again!

      Regards,
      --Ryan Sharpe
      President, The Get-Well Gamers Foundation
      http://www.get-well-gamers.org/
      "The Get-Well Gamers Foundation- Giving Kids A Power-Up!"

      Oh, and a P.S.: Please give blood whenever possible! I just recently gave at the National Make a Difference day in Las Cruces, NM, and I'll be sure to give again in February when my six-month waiting period is up...

  5. Open-books charity? by dada21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do they have an "open books" policy regarding what percentage of donations actually go to recipients?

    A "for the kids" charity organization keeps blitzing my church with videos, and when I researched them I found that they give out less than 50% of their take!

    1. Re:Open-books charity? by Southpaw018 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's near 100%. You buy the stuff on special wishlists at Amazon, and it's shipped directly to the hospital.

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    2. Re:Open-books charity? by SlamMan · · Score: 1

      From what I remember reading last year, all of it does.

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    3. Re:Open-books charity? by MauMan · · Score: 5, Informative
      Well according to their FAQ 100% of the money given directly to them is goes through, however it does not say what Amazon's cut, if any, is other than their normal profit.

      A: We have partnered with Amazon.com, which hosts a series of "Wish Lists" stocked with toys the hospitals have requested, as well as age appropriate videogames and game systems selected by Child's Play. Simply choose the hospital nearest you from our interactive map at http://www.childsplaycharity.org/ and the toys you purchase will be delivered directly. We also accept cash donations via Paypal to childsplaycharity@penny-arcade.com, which will be split evenly among the hospitals in this year's event. There are no "administrative fees" or other hidden costs associated with giving to Child's Play - every cent is passed on.
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    4. Re:Open-books charity? by fallen1 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Yeah, right on the front page of the site:
      Created by Penny Arcade, no "Administrative Fees" or other nonsense is collected; all gifts and donations go directly to the hospitals for distribution to sick kids.

      Sheesh, at least click on the link for the charity and do some reading before asking inflammatory questions. I know that there are a lot of scammers preying on the "for the children" line for charities (not to mention politics) but Gabe and Tycho have never numbered among them.

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    5. Re:Open-books charity? by MauMan · · Score: 1

      I guess PayPal could also be taking a cut on the direct donations.

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    6. Re:Open-books charity? by Zathrus · · Score: 2, Informative

      it does not say what Amazon's cut, if any, is other than their normal profit.

      Amazon's cut is exactly that -- whatever profit they make on the sale of items. Plus the inevitable "shipping and handling" fees (if any).

      The cash donations go 100% to the hospitals. Gabe, Tycho, and various others volunteer their time to do whatever administrivia is needed. But by having virtually all of it done through Amazon, and shipped directly to the hospitals there really isn't much (the first year they did this they had everything shipped to them... they had to get storage facilities and get a fleet of volunteers to move stuff; but even then it was 100% contribution, with them paying/getting donated the overhead).

    7. Re:Open-books charity? by Tim+Browse · · Score: 5, Funny
      I know that there are a lot of scammers preying on the "for the children" line for charities (not to mention politics) but Gabe and Tycho have never numbered among them.

      Yeah, but Gabe did punch a baby once.

      (In Gabe's defence, the baby was being kind of a dick.)

    8. Re:Open-books charity? by dada21 · · Score: 1

      The site does no render properly from my PDA browser. I just tried it in an alternative one and it DID render OK, but I don't usually have the second one installed...

      The warning is also a general one focused on any charity. Why would you think I am asking an inflammatory quesion? Because I've volunteered to charities in the past, and not one has kept its original vows. Over time, it is very easy to become corrupted by the money, so you have to check and re-check every charity, every time you give.

    9. Re:Open-books charity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note also that at PAX, the Penny Arcade business manager Robert Khoo mentioned that they were planning on hiring another person just to administer Child's Play full-time. http://videogames.yahoo.com/newsarticle?eid=393161 &page=0>

      So Gbae and Tycho are not just donating their time and free publicity - they're anteing up some cash out of pocket so Child's Play will run smoothly.

  6. Ahhh charity... by CupBeEmpty · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now I know what to do with my stockpile of Hot Coffee modded GTAs. There is nothing that hospitalized children need more than that.

    1. Re:Ahhh charity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somewhere in a children's hospital, around Christmas '05:
      "Aaaaaagh! My hernia stitches!"

  7. US, UK, Canada by donscarletti · · Score: 0, Troll

    I'm a huge fan of penny-arcade and I admire them a lot for doing what they are doing. However, why is it that they pick three of the countries in which children would be most likely to be able to afford gameboys etc. themselves in? I appreciate that there are lots of kids in US, UK and Canada who are having rough lives but I am sure that there would be poor children in India, Africa and South America that are in far greater need. Generocity is always great and reflects the same way on the donor nomatter where it is going to, however toys and money can do so much more for those who have even less.

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    1. Re:US, UK, Canada by Spytap · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My guess? While setting it up the first time, it was just Seattle, then it was the US, now it's the US, Canada, and UK...give them time, this is only the third year...

    2. Re:US, UK, Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing is stopping you from starting up your own charity similar to Child's Play and doing what your asking.

      Let us know when you have it setup.

    3. Re:US, UK, Canada by Helios1182 · · Score: 1

      Logistics may play a large role as well. It is fairly easy to donate to a local children's hospital, but it could be very difficult to set something up with one in Africa. For one thing, Amazon ships the donations directly to the places.

    4. Re:US, UK, Canada by Southpaw018 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When the PA guys did the first Child's Play, it was almost a spur of the moment kind of thing in response to a newspaper column written about violent video games. They had absolutely no idea what they were getting into, and were utterly shocked when they hit $10,000. They finished that first year with over $110,000. This isn't an organized charity organization, this is two guys frontlining an army of gamers and geeks for a good cause. As another reply to your comment says, just give them time. :)

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    5. Re:US, UK, Canada by Browncoat · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Child's Play isn't for poor children -- it's for sick children in hospitals.

      Children in India, Africa and South America need medical care and food above a PlayStation 2. That said, I understand that since the organization is Penny Arcade, they are doing this charity as a twofold purpose:

      1) To give to children
      2) To promote the idea that games are healthy for kids and offer education, not violence

      The second reason is because there is a lot of criticism over the gaming industry and this is one way that PA can approach the subject with actions, not just words, and help needy children.

      Kids in the US, UK, Canada, etc. who Child's Play is geared toward are getting the medical care they need -- the problem is, many of the parents of those sick children might be seeing all of their income go towards medical bills and basic expenses such as food and utilities.

      They might not have enough money leftover for a good Christmas. PA steps in and helps a little bit. Yes, toys and games are material and can't be as valuable as clean water and food for children in India and Africa. But it's about evaluating what these countries need. Kids in India and Africa need medical care more than they need toys. Kids in the US and UK in these hospitals are already getting that medical care. What they need is a little happiness during their illness.

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    6. Re:US, UK, Canada by James_G · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This is not an "Insightful" comment. If anything it's a fairly subtle "Troll", but I'll give the benefit of the doubt.

      Just because someone else may have a greater need doesn't mean people shouldn't help out those that have a lesser need. If you follow this logic, people would only donate to, say, earthquake relief in Pakistan, or hurricane relief in Lousiana. Just because there are people out there who have a greater need doesn't negate the fact that there are others with a need as well.

      The tiny P-A team is doing far, far more than most people ever do, and the theme they picked reflects their interests - ie, showing the world that gamers aren't the rabid church tower snipers people like Jack Thompson make them out to be. If that's not right for you, don't donate to them.. but don't criticise them because you think there are people who are more deserving.

    7. Re:US, UK, Canada by donscarletti · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      Summary of your argument in point form:

      * Child's play is not for poor children, it's for sick children.

      * Child's play is a cynical political stunt for the computer gamer lobby.

      * Child's play really is for poor children since sick children are poor.

      * Poor sick children need aid far more than other sick children since they are missing far more than just comfort.

      Ok, so basically I said that Child's play is a very honorable and generous program that may be a little short in scope due to some natural human localisation of thinking. You defend them saying that Child's play is a self-contradictary undertaking based on political motivations who's contributions become insignificant compared to even basic care. I'm currently wondering if I'm responding to a fan with bad argument planning skills and an itchy reply link finger or a strawman sock puppet operated by Jack Thompson and the "fuck penny arcade" lobby.

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    8. Re:US, UK, Canada by Skye16 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't necessarily think you're wrong, but I do think your comment is misplaced, with regard to childsplay.

      This was a spur of the moment thing they started before Christmas a few years ago. I remember reading the newspost - they were pissed that gamers were always shown as a bunch of demented teenagers running around with trench coats and black-tape pentagrams on their social studies book covers. They wanted to show these condescending media pricks what the gaming demographic actually is like.

      And then they made $110,000 in, what, 2 months? Just for donations for the Seattle Children's Hospital (I'm not sure if that's the name, but it's the children's hospital in the seattle area, I believe). Games - not just video games, but board games and coloring books and crayons and whatever-it-is that kids play with. The response was staggering.

      It was after this year that the letters started rolling in. Parents of children in these children's hospitals. Now-grown-up children who visited these hospitals. I highly, highly recommend you read the letters yourself. If you're not choked up at the end of it, then I posit the notion that you're a cylon. Or a heartless monkey. Your call.

      Letters concerning childsplay

      My favorite.

    9. Re:US, UK, Canada by Browncoat · · Score: 1
      What I am saying is that Child's Play is a charity that is geared toward a certain group of people. It's fine for them to branch out but that if they were to choose to send toys to countries like India and Africa, there might be concern that those kids need things more significant than toys and that their goals are misguided.

      Also, it says right on the Child's Play web site that they are using this as a way of proving wrong critics of the gaming industry.

      Under "About Child's Play" it says, For two years now we've set up and organized a charity called Child's Play. We set it up because we were angry the media decided to blame all the world's problems on games and gamers. Basically they said that gamers were bad people, and we thought that wasn't right. Apparently, you guys agreed: through Child's Play you sent nearly a million dollars in toys, games, and cash to the sick kids in Children's Hospitals around the nation.

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    10. Re:US, UK, Canada by donscarletti · · Score: 1
      but don't criticise them because you think there are people who are more deserving.

      I don't know how 9 people so far believe that I am criticising them. I don't know how I could have been more gentle about my disagreement with their priorities, if you have any suggestions I'd like to know of them. And I don't think I ever claimed anything about who is more deserving. Charity has never been about who deserves, it is about who has the most needs that can be satisfied.

      As for the insightful rating, I may or may not deserve it. In fact I've got a lot of insightful ratings on stupid posts before. This time I had the curse of posting early so now I have a bunch of idiots and their junior home made strawman kits responding to what I said.

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    11. Re:US, UK, Canada by mekkab · · Score: 1

      I'm currently wondering if I'm responding to a fan with bad argument planning skills

      And we have a win-nah! Winnah!

      Few have quality arugment planning skills; myself included.

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    12. Re:US, UK, Canada by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm a huge fan of penny-arcade and I admire them a lot for doing what they are doing. However, why(1) is it that they pick three of the countries in which children would be most likely to be able to afford gameboys etc. themselves in? I appreciate that there are lots of kids in US, UK and Canada who are having rough lives but(2) I am sure that there would be poor children in India, Africa and South America that are in far greater need(3).

      1) Because they live in the USA, near Canada, both former colonies of the UK.

      2) But you don't think they have it hard enough to deserve chartiy.

      3) Yes, they have greater needs: Food, clean water, peace. When they have reliable electricity, they'll want videogames.

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    13. Re:US, UK, Canada by batkiwi · · Score: 1

      I love the "if you can't solve every problem, solve none" approach.

    14. Re:US, UK, Canada by donscarletti · · Score: 1
      You mean the "if you can't solve every problem, ship some gameboys to some sick kids in poorer countries" approach don't you?

      Why the hell does everyone choose to misinterpret the same post even after it's been modded to 0 Troll? Do people just browse slashdot at 0 looking for badly written posts then reply to them without reading the huge amount of (mainly futile) discussion it caused to find out what the author actually meant?

      Why don't you browse at +1 next time?

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    15. Re:US, UK, Canada by batkiwi · · Score: 1

      I browse at +4. I saw a RE: comment at the root, which meant I wasn't seeing what the post was replying to. I clicked the link which says "Parent," and magically the parent post appeared on my screen. I then clicked "reply" to give my thoughts on said post.

      Hard concept to understand, but if you draw it out on a napkin it becomes easy to grasp.

      I will also run all future replies to 0 modded comments past you for acceptance.

      Why don't you browse at +BRAIN and -ASSHOLE?

  8. Open your hearts and wallets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As the father of a cancer survivor, I can tell you that whatever you can give to this charity, and these kids, will have a more positive impact than it ever could have had you spent it on yourself, and will bring more joy and happiness than you can possibly imagine to someone who desperately needs it. The letters on the Child's Play site will give you some idea of that, but know that it's only a pale shadow of what you actually feel when you're in that situation. Donate, and know that you've done something wonderful.

    1. Re:Open your hearts and wallets by tashpool · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Reading through some of the letters and seeing the positive responses like this one put me in the holiday's mood. I just ordered a handful of items through the website. I'm usually a stingy bastard too, but that honestly did feel pretty good.

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  10. Letters from beyond the grave? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Either that or the healing powers of a PSP is nothing short of miraculous.

    Hospice: A program that provides palliative care and attends to the emotional and spiritual needs of terminally ill patients at an inpatient facility or at the patient's home.

    "(...)letters from former patients who have been touched by games in hospice(...)"

    1. Re:Letters from beyond the grave? by Hrvat · · Score: 1

      Most hospice patients actually leave hospice to go home to die. Hospice is there to give care to patients who would otherwise not receive adequate care or companionship at home. Most families can't afford to have someone stay with their child/family member at home all the time, and they certainly can't afford not having a parent working. Thus you have hospices, a community where a patient can get care they need. However they can't treat really serious conditions so for the last few months/weeks, the patient is usually at home or in a hospital.

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  11. Gifts of Substance not Fluff by queenb**ch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was badly burned as child and was helped greatly by the Shriner's, Easter Seals, and St Jude's. This was all treament that parents would have been unable to afford on their own. While I find it touching that you want to give games to kiddies, I think it would be far more beneficial to make donations to pay for actual treatment. The games, toys, etc. are not a life and limb kind of thing. In many cases, the treatment is. I know that it certainly was for me. The doctors at our local hospital wanted to amputate my left hand and part of my arm because I was so severely burned. Yet I sit here, today, typing with both hands thanks to the help we got from people who specalize in treating children with injuries like mine.

    I'd also like to remind everyone to give blood at this time year. It's something that many of the children need as they undergo surgery and its something that's normally in very short supply this time of year.

    Probably not a popular sentiment and I'll probably be modded as a Troll.

    2 cents,

    Queen B.

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    1. Re:Gifts of Substance not Fluff by pat_trick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Monetary donations are also accepted and go toward the hospitals for exactly this type of thing. At least that's my understanding.

      But you raise a good point--don't just stop at money. Donate blood. Volunteer. Get out there and do a storybook hour if you can. Make a difference.

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    2. Re:Gifts of Substance not Fluff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good argument, but children who wind up in hospitals like this have more than just physical ailments. Giving money for treatment is only half the battle. Tkae a gander at the look on a kid's face when they get a neat toy, and how easily they forget their problems, and you'll know what I mean.

    3. Re:Gifts of Substance not Fluff by lmsig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It could probably be argued (although I'm not qualified!) that it is helpful to treat the whole person and not just the injury. This makes even more sense for children who maybe cannot fully comprehend the situation they have been put into. Certainly a contribution to a childs positive attitude can help them to beat whatever they are there to beat.

      I do agree that we should not forget those other organizations! St Jude's is one charity that I support every single year. However, I still give to Child's Play as well. There is something special (to me) about picking out a couple of games for the kids to enjoy. It seems a little more personal than the check I write to help with treatment.

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      .plan!! what plan?
    4. Re:Gifts of Substance not Fluff by Declarent · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I know it's just human nature, but not every endeavor can target every solution. This is something that does good, and works, do we really need to criticize it because it's not filling every other need at the same time?

      There are tons of charities that do what you describe, and that helped you out. Does that mean it's wrong to add some additional charity on top of that to help restore some childhood as well as health?

      In addition, this type of donation resonates with gamers, I doubt they could pull anything near this level of donation out by simply collecting money for healthcare like so many other institutions.

      I support both the Shriners and Child's Play because they each provide for distinctly different parts of a child's wellbeing.

    5. Re:Gifts of Substance not Fluff by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 3, Funny
      "Probably not a popular sentiment and I'll probably be modded as a Troll."
      You think that suggesting that people donate blood is not a popular sentiment? Wow. You're a troll alright, one making tired karma grabs. I wouldn't have been annoyed if you had just said, "Donate blood too!" because it is a good idea but you wrapped around that statement this idea that you're the only one to ever have thought of this and everyone else thinks donating blood is a bad idea. Stop pretending to be female. Stop whoring for karma. Just stop.
    6. Re:Gifts of Substance not Fluff by BushCheney08 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your level 60 Forsaken Warrior can wait a day or two.

      I read that as "level 60 Foreskin Warrior." Same thing I guess. He can wait a day or two, too...

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    7. Re:Gifts of Substance not Fluff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad the Red Cross doesn't accept my blood. That's at least three deaths a year on their head.

    8. Re:Gifts of Substance not Fluff by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      Valid points, not a troll.

      Most Cash donations to non-profit hospitals go to cover medical/admin costs so the children can get the care for litte or no cost. Of course that is the goal of these Hospitals and they have to take care of that obligation first. They do a very good job making the money stretch. Places like you mentioned as well as others like St. Judes do an awesome job treating sick kids on limited funds.

      After covering treatment/admin/Overhead/Facility costs very little is leftover for "extras" like books, toys, or games to keep the kids minds occupied during treatment. I know a positive mental attitude is very important to the healing process so if this helps with that I'm just as much for it as just donating cash.

      I wonder if these guys could go to Nintendo, Amazon, etc. and get them to give the games up for FREE or at cost to make the donations go further. The shipping fees are not that big a deal for Amazon to kick in if they are making the usual retail markup on the game. In fact, it may be UPS that picks up part of that tab and not just Amazon. Every little bit helps but those who can do more should do more.

    9. Re:Gifts of Substance not Fluff by Dixie+Flatliner · · Score: 1

      I find your attitude disapointing, you of all people should understand that not everything can do everything, and most do nothing, so you should praise those who do their part.

    10. Re:Gifts of Substance not Fluff by RatBastard · · Score: 1

      As others have already said, there are already charities for funding treatments. But what is the kid supposed to *DO* while sitting around waiting for his/her week-long chemo session to end? Nothing? The one thing hospitals never have the money for, due to people with attitudes like yours, is to provide much needed diversions for childresn. Something to occupy their bored little minds while they spend long periods of time away from home and any toys or games they might have had.

      Have a heart and stop being such a tightwad.

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    11. Re:Gifts of Substance not Fluff by bst82551 · · Score: 1

      I donate blood every chance I get. I'm 17. I've donated four times so far (most recent donation was on Oct. 28th). This last time, they messed up and ended up missing the vein altogether, but I still plan on going back. I could care less if my arm is bruised and sore for a week or two, so long as it helps someone along the way. Brian

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    12. Re:Gifts of Substance not Fluff by Kaboom13 · · Score: 1

      Theres a million different charities you can donate that goes towards treatment. Thats definitly important. The idea behind Child's Play is for gamers to give the gifts of games to A. Share something they enjoy with kids that need something to lift their spirits and B. Prove to Jack Thompson's of the world that gamers aren't twisted violent people preying on the innocence of children. People donate to charities that they like, and in the absence of those charities probably wouldn't donate at all. So don't pull the "this cause is more worthy then your cause" card. It's not like theres some finite amount of charitable donations and we have to pick the absolute best cause. A lot of people already give money but when they see a great idea like this they give a little more, or they might give when they wouldn't have given at all. I hate people who try to make people feel guilty for doing a good deed because they could have "done more" or others gave more or because they havent given so much they live below the poverty line. It's peoples money, they can keep it for themselves or donate it or do whatever they want with it, they don't need pretentious "do-gooders" to tell them what to do with it.

    13. Re:Gifts of Substance not Fluff by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      I don't try donating blood anymore because I know it doesn't work - my blood pressure is too low; if I go there all that happens is that I get my blood pressue measured and then offered a free meal (me, not the pressure). Which sucks, as I have blood type O negative, making my blood universally usable.
      What makes this even worse is that by donating blood I might make money which, apart from spending it for my personal entertainment, I could give to Child's Play (which I wanted to do since Tycho and Gabe started it). :/

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    14. Re:Gifts of Substance not Fluff by queenb**ch · · Score: 1

      My point in this was that since there are only X number of dollars available, should they not be spent on care instead of toys?

      While I think that the mental state of the child can be improved by toys, given the choice between getting care or getting a toy, surely you can see that getting care is more important.

      2 cents,

      Queen B

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  12. Free PA Prize! by Mulletproof · · Score: 0

    And for every dollar donated, each kid will recieve the new iPod white 2006 Fruit Fucker! Ok, maybe not, but hats off to 'em for doing this sort of thing. It's an easy thing these days to take the money and run when it comes to internet profit.

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  13. You know... by RatBastard · · Score: 1

    You know, there was nothing quite like the feeling I got when I read my Thank You letter from the (I forget which one) Children's Hospital I donated a gift to. I'm going to donate again this year.

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    1. Re:You know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're REALLY not going to live up to your account-name THAT WAY...

    2. Re:You know... by kehren77 · · Score: 1
      Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.

      Oh I beg to differ my friend. I think this man might disagree with you.

      Personally I think they benefits out weight the risks. ;)

  14. Good Cause by th1ckasabr1ck · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I've given to this charity each of the last few years - Not only does it give a child something he might not otherwise have been able to enjoy, it also makes me feel better about myself and lastly is more ammunition for use against the Jack Thompsons of the world.

    I can remember visiting my grandmother in the hospital a year or so back, and while waiting for her to wake up I took a walk around the hospital and found a group of kids sitting in a recreation room all playing games and having a great time. It's a phenomenal way to keep these kids happy while going through tough times.

    Anyone want to go in half with me for a PS2?

    1. Re:Good Cause by Low2000 · · Score: 1

      I might be able to help out with the PS2 =) I can't figure out how to send you a message directly though. email misc@adriansays.com and I'll get back to you.

  15. There are poor kids here too by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And you know? You can only care so much, fix so much. You can't take the burden of the whole world on your shoulders. Nor can you, or should you, ignore a problem somewhere, just because there's a worse problem somewhere else. For example we should not stop giving food to soup kitchens in America until all the kids in Africa are fed first.

    Also, there's a matter of making sure that the donations get to the intended recipiants. In a stable, first-world nation, that's pretty easy. I'd venture to say 99.9% of all Child's Play gifts go where they are supposed to, and the small fraction of a percent that don't are mistakes, not thefts. In Africa? Well try arranging that. That's always been a massive problem with aid over there. You drop off tons of food, only to have it seized by a local milita, and this is when the UN and governments do it and they can actually back their position up with guns, if they so choose. PA, well thy'd send shit there and just hope it got where it was supposed to.

    There's also the matter of trying to do things others aren't. There already is aid going to Africa, lots of it. It's not enough, but as I said it's also due to reasons of it not getting where it's supposed to. But the point is, if you want to give aid to Africa, there are ways to do it. However this market, toys for hospitalised kids in teh states, seemed to be totally neglected. So they started it up. Rather than try to duplicate the effort of others, they started something new.

    1. Re:There are poor kids here too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Triage.

      Why on earth would anyone be giving video games to hospitals when there are SO many more useful things they could be spending money on?

      There's absolutely no way that video games should get a higher priority than, say, treating people. Hospitals are in trouble in the US, they NEED money. Giving patients video games is kind of a slap in the face. For the price of that XBox, the hospital could have bought supplies to save people's lives. But instead someone can play NFL 2k6. Yay.

      Child's Play will never get a cent of my money. There are more worthy things that it can be spent on, and it's quite frankly depressing how many people are willing to donate video games but not medical supplies.

    2. Re:There are poor kids here too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Why on earth would anyone be giving video games to hospitals when there are SO many more useful things they could be spending money on?

      <Obligatory demand for parent's 1040 form so we can audit your charitable deductions>

    3. Re:There are poor kids here too by Jtheletter · · Score: 1
      Triage.
      Why on earth would anyone be giving video games to hospitals when there are SO many more useful things they could be spending money on?

      I know you're just a trolling AC but a lot of people seem to have this opinion and it's quite backward. Instead of saying "ok maybe not how I'd choose to spend my charity $$, but good job guys" you actually take offense at something that in the end is still a charity helping children. Look, you can disagree with the best way to help people but please don't get angry just because the organization's solution doesn't cure cancer/AIDS/hunger/war.

      The fact of the matter is that there are millions of people suffering from thousands of different problems in the world, and it's more or less impossible to save everyone from everything. In addition who are you to prioritize the worlds' problems? OK, so maybe starvation trumps childrens' boredom, but what about AIDS vs cancer? Starvation vs TB? How are we supposed to determine which charity/goal is the most decent/most needed? And how is it that we're supposed to tell people dying from any of those other problems "sorry little girl, but we're committed to curing world hunger before we can get you those malaria meds."

      Look, there's a lot of charity resources in the world, and there's a lot of needs to be met, the only distribution system that is really fair is to let people decide how they want to give and how they want to help - and many times this is influenced by a personal experience with that problem. If a need becomes more pressing, the charities will advertise that need and money will tend to flow there. Sick children that have nothing to do in the hospital but feel miserable is not the worst thing in the world, no, but that doesn't make it any less real or depressing for that child. Can you honestly tell me that little Billy or Sally will be at all comforted when you tell them that no, you didn't buy them a game to take their mind off their cancer, but you did donate to starving kids in Africa? A single person only has so much they can give, but it is up to them to choose how to give it, and the fact is they are still doing good and helping a child. That child will appreciate it, and most likely in the future it will affect their decision to donate or volunteer and help others.

      You can choose any charity you feel helps the world best, but don't disparage others for helping in a different way, we're all working for good, and this way every problem is helped a little instead of some not being helped at all.

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    4. Re:There are poor kids here too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      -- I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist. It's not my fault that life sucks so much. --

      Then you must understand the concept of triage.

      You can't save everyone. So you start with those who really need it, doing what you can that's likely to actually save lives.

      Video games are VERY low on the "charity triage" list.

      Yes, it does mean some kids don't get helped. Because they don't NEED the help as much as others.

      If you're really a realist, you'll understand that Child's Play is actually harmful since it's diverting resources that could have been used effectively into frivility.

      Would these kids get better without video games? Yep. So what's the point? You really going to feel better at night knowing that for the cost of saving lives in poverty-stricken countries, you brought Mario to an American child?

    5. Re:There are poor kids here too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you're really a realist, you'll understand that Child's Play is actually harmful since it's diverting resources that could have been used effectively into frivility.

      You are operating under the faulty assumption that those resources would have been put to another charitable use in the absence of Child's Play.

      Would these kids get better without video games?

      Although I'd think it would be statistically insignificant, health can be affected by attitude. Regardless, making children in tough situations feel a little better is a worthy goal entirely separate from providing the medical attention they need. The sort of cold, calculating mind that thinks of charity in terms of triage is probably incapable of actual giving, anyway. After all, one can never find a worthy enough cause with that attitude. I imagine it makes a handy excuse for not donating anything at all.

      You really going to feel better at night knowing that for the cost of saving lives in poverty-stricken countries, you brought Mario to an American child?

      You have a knack for these faulty assumptions. Donating to Child's Play does not take anything away from some starving kids in some third world country. I know you believe that the money going to Child's Play would be better spent elsewhere, and I know that you think it's bad to help people who are less needy than others, but there is no reason to assume that all the money going to charities you consider unworthy, if not harmful, would go to charities that meet your approval if those other charities just didn't exist. Do you understand that? Your criticism of Child's Play is based on an incorrect assumption.

      I'd wager that won't change your mind, though, and that's okay. Keep on being angry that other people don't agree with you and that their selfish acts of kindness to strangers are killing thousands of poor people in third world countries. Meanwhile, you'd better believe I'm going to feel good about donating to Child's Play. I'm going to feel even better to know that my donation pisses you off. In fact, I'm going to donate an extra hundred dollars on top of what I originally planned in the hopes of giving you an aneurysm. How does it feel to know your suffering will bring joy to even more undeserving kids?

    6. Re:There are poor kids here too by Jtheletter · · Score: 1
      Hey, thanks for replying with basically what I was going to say, that was an excellent bit of writing, and you pointed out this person's main argument flaw which is the false association between money spent on ChildsPlay and money spent on other charities. The only thing I would add is that ChildsPlay more likely increases the total amount of funds going to charities simply by bringing in a new demographic of donors. Whereas before gamers - who are mostly in the 18 to 34 male demographic - might not have contributed anything to charity, now they see one they can relate to and it encourages them to make a charitable donation they might otherwise have never made to ANY fund. (Full disclosure, I'm in this group.) So already you have people donating who never would have, increasing charitable funds. I also submit that because of this other people who were already giving funds/time/gifts to fill this need are now free to move their donations to another place since ChildsPlay is filling this niche in a large way. OK, so it only really affects a few hospitals, and the donors who are being augmented by ChildsPlay may not actually choose to move their donations elsewhere, but I claim that this scenario is at least as likely and just as unprovable as the nasty AC's scenario of ChildsPlay reducing funds for other "more worthy" charities.

      And as you also stated (parent AC), if we all operated only by the rules of triage, then not much would get accomplished. Like I said in my post, who are any of us to tell some kid with malaria that they're not on our traige list yet and they have to wait because AIDS/TB/whatever has been deemed more important. That's not how the real world works. And if the fact that you didn't do enough to save every single person in the world who needs aid keeps you up at night then you will never sleep. A realist does in fact understand that one can't save everyone, however this does not imply that triage is the only possible (or even best) course of action.

      Also kudos to you, parent AC, for pledging more funds, I hope that you truly meant that. I will increase my donation by $100 to match you. Take that Triage-AC, your only possible moral recourse can be to match us by donating more to your ultra-worthy fund of choice. (And I now submit that you will have proven yourself wrong if you do so since together we three will have increased charitable donations because of ChildsPlay, instead of reducing them. QED)

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  16. Is it possible to make a donation... by iapetus · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...so that they don't send a copy of Spyro: A Hero's Tail to an already-sick child? That's just cruel and unusual punishment...

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  17. They better watch out... by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 3, Funny

    Jack Thompson might show up dressed in a santa suit and green fur and try to steal all the toys.

    1. Re:They better watch out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure who Jack reminds me more of after that comment...the Grinch or Scrooge.

    2. Re:They better watch out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither. He's a derranged egomaniacial psychopath. Charles Manson with a suit, Joe McCarthy on his better days.

      I'm hoping he someday attempts to confront and help a mugger realize the errors of his ways when he finds himself alone in dark alley. The sound of bullets stricking bone and wet meat will be symphonic music indeed. Possibilities of this? Quite high in fact. Once you narrow your viewpoint to his level you create a hell of a lot of blind spots. Revel and exploit them - karma demands it.

  18. Re:This is not charity.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do you also believe that all charity is essentially selfish because those bastard charitable people feel good performing their god damed charitable acts?

    The truth is that there are millions of things that Penny-Arcade could do that would attract a greater readership; creating a highly efficient charity that helps sick children is probably the most selfless one with the lowest personal gain. I recognize that charitable acts make for good PR, but do you think the people who need the help (or benefit from said chaitable act) really care that it improved the image of the person/company that did it?

    The fact that they're a very popular website, and that they take part in this so called 'self-back-patting' is what actually makes this charity possible; the attention that they generate actually causes thousands of people who don't normally donate money to do so because they like Penny-Arcade and they like the cause.

  19. Troll? No way. by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 2, Funny

    You do yourself a great disservice. You understand the real meaning of Christmas.

  20. Question not on FAQ Page - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Q: How can I be sure my donation is not stolen my some unscrupulous CNA or maintenance person?

    I can't tell you how many times I have heard of things being stolen by the personnel in the hospital. It's typically the cleaning or maintenance crew that works at night, but the CNA's do it as well.

    1. Re:Question not on FAQ Page - by XenoRyet · · Score: 1
      My soulution, buy two.

      Seriously, there are so many good reasons to get these things for these kids. For example a study was done, and linked to here on /. (tho I can't find the link at the moment) that showed gameboys are more effective at relieving pre-surgury stress in children than seditives, and are obviously much safer. The fact that some maintenace person might stoop to the vile act of stealing from sick children is no reason not to give.

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    2. Re:Question not on FAQ Page - by audacity242 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Having done recreation therapy at a large hospital, and been in charge of numerous things you'd expect to get stolen (VHS tapes, DVDs, craft supplies, a GameGear and games, etc.), you'd be surprised at how RARELY things get stolen.

      Most of the stuff stolen from our hospital was stuff that wasn't going to adversely affect patients -- a package of gauze here and there, the staff microwave, etc.

      -Jenn

  21. I hate to feed the trolls... by supersocialist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...but it ought to be said: anonymous charity doesn't set an example, and greater overall good is achieved by encouraging others to contribute. Do you really think humility is more important than helping more children? Is helping people wrong if you benefit as well?

    Now I'm not intimately familiar with Gabe and Tycho's financial situations, but this I do know: they're comfortable enough to throw down $10,000 to embarrass Jack Thompson. That may have been all their givin'-away money for the year, but let's assume it isn't, and in fact, they have $100,000 squirreled away to donate anonymously. Good deal for those kids, huh?

    Except during their first year, Child's Play pulled over $110,000 and it was hardly organized at that point. I'm having trouble coming up with a concrete total for their second year, but anybody who follows the strip/newsposts can confirm they did a hell of a lot better than the first run, and they generated a lot more money than they could have donated on their own. Kobe Bryant might be able to personally compete with their totals, but comic strip artists don't make quite as much money as so-called sports heroes ... who I suppose are doing all their charitable work on the down-low (or on the wrong end of a community service sentence).

  22. It's a slowly growing charity by Solr_Flare · · Score: 1

    The first year of the charity it was only for the local children's hospital in Seattle. It turned into such a huge success that the second year they opened it up to 2 or 3 children's hospitals throughout the US. Now, this year, there are multiple hospitals involved and for the first time, 3 different countries.

    So, the charity is growing each year, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it expanding into even more countries as each christmas rolls around.

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  23. For God's sake... read the content by Gruneun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your comment:

    While I find it touching that you want to give games to kiddies, I think it would be far more beneficial to make donations to pay for actual treatment.

    Gabe's comment:

    These hospitals obviously receive plenty of donations year round but what we learned is that the money they get for the most part is spent on things much more important than toys. Things like medicine and equipment are a bigger priority than say Crash Bandicoot.

    These Kids need toys though. They need games to play and crafts to make in order to take their minds off their situations. Something as simple as a Game Boy can make the stay in one of these Hospitals much more bearable for a kid. That my friends, is where we come in.


    The fact of the matter is that most people that read PA aren't going to donate money to a charity simply because Gabe or Tycho mentions it. This, however, is a gift that many of the readers can connect with. You give someone $50 and you have no idea where your donation was spent. You give someone a Gameboy and you know that somewhere, in some hospital, a kid is playing a video game because you cared enough to get involved.

    My Dad has a picture of some dirty guys with chainsaws and shovels that he feels sums up his civic organization. An elderly lady in the community had a stream that backed up several times a year and flooded her backyard and basement. Instead of reaching for their paychecks, so she could hire someone, they got their tools, showed up the next Saturday, and cleared out the area. Problem solved.

    Anyone can write a check and pat themselves on the back, but no amount of money is going to solve every problem. It takes a special person to see a specific problem, create a solution, and take the initiative to implement it. That's exactly what the PA guys are doing and they're doing it extremely well.

  24. mod -1 redundant... by supersocialist · · Score: 1

    ...but I'm out of mod points, so I've got to use with my words: Tycho and Gabe are great and if I were to say why, I'd just be repeating the parent post. I had the opportunity to play Burning Wheel and Munchkin with Tycho a couple years ago at a con in New Jersey (ubercon I think?) and (as far as I can tell/I am not a psychologist/etc) he's about as genuine and decent a person as you could hope to meet. I tend to go the Toys for Tots route because I like to donate educational toys, but I'd feel totally confident giving Child's Play my money.

  25. Wtf is a 'chok'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no need to create new words when existing ones will suffice just fine. The word is "chock". Look it up sometime.

  26. Why was Parent modded as troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think someone has low reading comprehension ...

  27. Not Just Games by giantsfan89 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah... Children's Hospital in Oakland, CA (my mom used to work there) also needs 30 copies of the best of the Hanson's Live!!!

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    1. Re:Not Just Games by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is that after recovering from the success of that terrible godawful mmmBop song, hanson released some surprisingly good acoustic rock albums that nobody took seriously because of their early career.

      Seriously. Go check them out on iTunes. They may not be my favorite band, but they definitely take more crap than they deserve.

      Nonetheless, I think that doing something a lot more personal would have an even greater effect. I helped coordinate a project where we made a home movie of sorts for a terminally ill child in my town that featured almost every child in his class (and the school for that matter), and members of his family who were unable to go visit him. It was easily one of the most worthwile endeavours of my life. The project produced about 12 hours of footage that myself and 3 others spent a week and half editing down to a 2.5 hour film (working 12+ hours a day over spring break using a hodgepodge of borrowed equipment). We finished it just in time...............

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    2. Re:Not Just Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess the cure really is worse than the disease.

  28. Child's Play 2005 by AlteredEgg · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I saw the headline and thought "Great, another stupid Chucky movie." What a relief!

  29. Re:This is not charity.. by hcob$ · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ..it's a PR exercise. They'll sell x more shirts and other merch because of the free publicity this shit generates. Charity should be anonymous, not plastered all over a hugely popular website in a grandiose display of self-back-patting.
    Perhaps it's a PR exercise. Perhaps (more likely), that PR and the PA name attached to the charity is what truely garners the massive donations required by this undertaking. YES, they sell their own branded stuff. Yes, they do make money on ads. But you know what. Why don't you try and anonymously help the hundreds(if not thousands) of children by yourself. Oh, or better yet, throw that magic switch of yours that turns off human greed and turns on human giving.

    Come on, I'm waiting....
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  30. PSA: This is what a real troll looks like by donscarletti · · Score: 1
    The parent of this post is not a troll. If I were to post a troll, this is what it may look like (further explaination can be found after the blockquote):
    This is a standard American example of "charity", i.e. a gift of a trivial product to photogenic white children in order to generate publicity for a political cause and personal public gratification in places close enough to home to have their arses kissed in person. America has internal problems with poverty that could be sorted out if you got the browncoats out of Washington for long enough to realise that setting up some sort of real welfare system and universal healthcare does not equate to losing the cold war 15 years after it ended. Of cause this will never be the case since to every American I've met, social responsibility means nothing unless one can have one's name etched into a big plaque and recieve a tap dance from a homeless person in exchange for some food stamps and small change.

    What would we do without compassionate conservatism, the long overdue return of the Client-Patron system of Rome whereby the poor are constantly reminded of their station for the amusement of others. This way, instead of having an anonymous charge in tax, you can now whack off at your charity reciepts before writing it down in the deductions column.

    No doubt this will be modded down a lot as well, after all, I did advocate something approaching socialism, and this is slashdot which basically turns into a Nuremburg rally as soon as the sun's first light crosses the Atlantic.

    What made it a troll? Here's why:

    * Deliberate hyperbole in order to make certain readers angry.

    * Message not completely based on author's own viewpoint.

    * Drifting off topic early in the post.

    * Insult of many of slashdot's readers at the end

    I don't know why people would bother using their modpoints to mod someone down, but if you logged onto slashdot today hoping to "mod me down a troll YEEHAW!" I suggest that maybe you would be better to mod this post down as a troll, and maybe mod the parent up as overrated. The parent may not be right by many people's reckoning and the subject it is on is considered taboo by many, but I believe it was phrased in a very gracious way and is clearly on a subject worthy of discussion. A lot of people seem to have thought I was being a jerk, which I do not understand but I can assure anyone that I did not intend to be, I really like Gabe and Tyco and admire them for putting so much effort into giving something to those they consider needy.

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    1. Re:PSA: This is what a real troll looks like by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      What made it a troll? Here's why:
      1* Deliberate hyperbole in order to make certain readers angry.
      2* Message not completely based on author's own viewpoint.
      3* Drifting off topic early in the post.
      4* Insult of many of slashdot's readers at the end


      Actually:
      1- FLamebait.
      2- Dunno...
      3- Offtopic (duh)
      4- Flamebait (again).

      Dude, maybe you didn't PLAN to troll, but posting "giving toys to sick kids is wrong" in a thread about a sick kid toy drive is garanteed to give you a lot of negative attention, whether you wanted it or not.
      Adjust your attitude and posting habits accordingly.

      Yes, there are kids worse off than those who are recieving medical treatment in industrialised nations. If you want to help those kids: do.
      If you want to get others to help them, point them the right way.
      But if you want to tell us NOT to make the lives of sick kids better: Fuck you. Fuck you very, very much.

      Now, go give a significant amount of money to UNICEF. THEN get back on your high horse.

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    2. Re:PSA: This is what a real troll looks like by donscarletti · · Score: 1
      But if you want to tell us NOT to make the lives of sick kids better: Fuck you. Fuck you very, very much.
      Where did I say this? Where? Tell me you strawmanning fucktard where?

      If you had actually read my fucking post you would notice I never once objected to giving gameboys and other toys to children. I just pointed out that limiting it to three of the richest nations on earth was unfortunent. That's what I said, that's all I said, and you and your fucking moron friends come and call me some kind of a grinch character that wants to take toys from children.

      If you want to respond to what I say, respond to what I really said. If not, fuck you, fuck you very much.

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    3. Re:PSA: This is what a real troll looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can tell you where they're getting it. It's this line:

      "I am sure that there would be poor children in India, Africa and South America that are in far greater need."

      I can see what you were trying to say, but a lot of people saw the mention of generally very poor parts of the world along with the phrase "far greater need" and assumed you were talking about needs such as food and medicine. Considering how it's impossible to mention any charity on Slashdot without a bunch of idiots putting the charity down because there are "more important needs" in the world, I'm not surprised there was a kneejerk response to your post.

      Anyway, this is woefully off topic, but you deserved an explanation. If you're in the mood for advice, I'd say that if this ever happens again, you should realize that there must be something in your post that is easily misread, try to figure out what it is, and post a highly visible (i.e. as high in the thread as possible) correction. It won't stop all the idiots, but cooler heads may prevail if you're lucky. Then again, what do I know? I'm just an anonymous coward. :)

    4. Re:PSA: This is what a real troll looks like by Scrameustache · · Score: 1
      Where did I say this [to tell us NOT to make the lives of sick kids better]? Where? Tell me you strawmanning fucktard where?
      fucking
      fucking moron
      fuck you, fuck you very much.


      You implied it there:
      why is it that they pick three of the countries in which children would be most likely to be able to afford gameboys etc. themselves in? [...] I am sure that there would be poor children in India, Africa and South America that are in far greater need.
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    5. Re:PSA: This is what a real troll looks like by donscarletti · · Score: 1
      I am re-responding because I realise my first response was fairly pointless.

      Can you seriously tell me why opening up a program that distributes toys and games to other, poorer countries is a bad idea? Can you tell me why I have taken this massive wave of abuse over suggesting it? From what it seems, most people here firmly believe that if there were more than three countries that a donor could choose to send things to that the skies would open and fire-rain would come down from heaven and distroy every toy in every children's ward in the western world.

      I have recieved some good responses about it, referring to logistical and security concerns about transporting such things to less developed countries. But most of it was utter rubbish by people who rather than reading, decided it would be easier to post first.

      I make these suggestions because I would like to contribute myself (though as a student, my finances are hardly large enough to make a huge difference) but do not find the idea of sending money to people in a country richer than my own appealing. The GDP per capita of the United States for example is 7 times my own income. Such countries should be able to take reasonable care of their own people.

      Outside of the developed world, where things like Maleria and Aids are rampant, there are many more sick children who's parents are even less likely to be able to buy them something to keep them happy while they are in hospital, or more likely, a roughly made bed in an unsanitory house. Children there do not have books or TV or anything else, only their own misery. Wouldn't sending some toys there be good also? So, I guess I think it would be nice if some toys could be sent to such places, it seems that most people here disagree.

      Sure, Africa might be a logistics nightmare, but in poorer parts of India and South America they could put a shipment of gameboys to good use and make a lot of children with even less to amuse them happy. To me, this doesn't seem like a bad idea. Evidently it does to you, for this, I'm sorry.

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    6. Re:PSA: This is what a real troll looks like by donscarletti · · Score: 1

      I would have thought mentioning who can and cannot afford a gameboy would be a dead giveaway that I wasn't referring to a complete overhaul of child's play.

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    7. Re:PSA: This is what a real troll looks like by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Can you tell me why I have taken this massive wave of abuse

      Because they give actual toys to real live children, and you complain about it.
      How many toys have you given to sick children? They have given thousands, and you complain because you say other kids deserve them more.

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  31. MOD PARENT DOWN by donscarletti · · Score: 1

    See subject (yes, I know it's my own post)

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  32. Re:This is not charity.. by Tolwyn_993442 · · Score: 1

    Funny that you got modded down for that.

  33. Re:This is not charity.. by Gruneun · · Score: 1

    Charity should be anonymous, not plastered all over a hugely popular website in a grandiose display of self-back-patting.

    You're right. Perhaps, it should be plastered all over a hugely unpopular site where it's sure to generate all those donations in a more appropriate manner.

  34. Not Slashdotted? by R2P2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Child's Play site isn't slashdotted yet. That means either a) they've got a really good server, or b) Slashdot readers are a bunch of cheapskates who don't care about charity. I know what my vote is...

    1. Re:Not Slashdotted? by David+Horn · · Score: 1

      I've bought them a CD and one of those cool 20 Questions things. Unfortunately, I tend to agree that the majority of Slashdotters are cheapskates - just look at the number of posts in this thread where people have been karma whoring "funny" mods.

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    2. Re:Not Slashdotted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Penny Arcade. Their servers are like tiny Gods.

    3. Re:Not Slashdotted? by higuy48 · · Score: 1

      It's NOT slashdotted? WTF, I've been trying to get on the site since yesterday when Gabe posted on the site... BEFORE this story was posted on /. I wanna DONNNNAAAAAATTTTTTTEEEEE. What gives?

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    4. Re:Not Slashdotted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know what my vote is...
      Was it, "C) PA sucks ass"?

    5. Re:Not Slashdotted? by StandardDeviant · · Score: 1

      Shit, cut a brother some slack, yo. I don't get paid until the 15th. :D

      Last year I gave to the houston children's hospital here, and an equal $ donation to the general fund. (Gave to the first one too. Shooting for 3 for 3 this year.) A few weeks into the new year, I got a card , written out by one of the candy stripers (generally elderly volunteers that do various non-medical things to help out patients, for those not familiar). It showed a little girl, couldn't have been much more than about six or seven, with a bald head from chemo, surrounded by toys and wearing the biggest, 10000000 watt smile a little girl has ever smiled. I don't think I have any words, really, just a hope that I can bring more smiles like that into the world.

  35. Amazon a bit disappointing by David+Horn · · Score: 1

    Shame Amazon are still making a handsome profit on all the items in the wishlists. How about they chip in by agreeing to send double what has been bought?

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    1. Re:Amazon a bit disappointing by froi · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's terrible that big bad capitalistic Amazon makes this possible. Clearly, because their store and wishlist system helps structuring this charity work, they are more obliged to give away things for free than any other random large company. Geez, what the hell is wrong with you?

    2. Re:Amazon a bit disappointing by David+Horn · · Score: 1

      If I agreed to help you provide products to a charity, but then told you I was going to keep 40-50% of whatever money you gave me for myself, you'd be perfectly happy with that?

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    3. Re:Amazon a bit disappointing by froi · · Score: 0

      If I agreed to help you provide products to a charity, but then told you I was going to keep 40-50% of whatever money you gave me for myself, you'd be perfectly happy with that?

      No, I wouldn't use you in the first place, and that's the point. If they don't want to use Amazon, they don't have to. Nobody's forcing anyone, and Amazon is no less obliged to give to charity than any other large faceless corporation. To single them out just because they happen to have such large supply and good shipping policies that PennyArcade wants to use them is absurd.

  36. Bless Them Kids, Yo. by th3space · · Score: 1

    This year has a been a rough one for my family, both emotionally and financially, and when it came time to start discussing options for the pending holiday season, we came to a concensus: we wanted to give to others, not eachother. It's going to be a lean year, regardless, but there is nothing at all like a little altruism to help you understand what it means to help your fellow man. I know that I, for one, will be purchasing gifts off the wishlist for Texas Childrens of Houston through Child's Play, and I am actively petitioning my roommate, my brother and my sister to do the same. Just because I feel bad about not making as much money as I used to doesn't mean that I can't still do good things for the sake of doing them.

    Cheers.

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    1. Re:Bless Them Kids, Yo. by Browncoat · · Score: 1

      Rock on! I'm going to donate some money or toys. Not sure which yet or both. I've got one of the PDF flyers hanging on my door.

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  37. Re:This is not charity.. by Astin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did you click on the link? Strangely enough, the site for Child's Play has no ads, no links to Penny Arcade, no mention of "buy our shirts" or anything else. It's a separate site that focuses on the charity alone. Sure, there's pictures of Gabe and Tycho, and the e-mail addresses are their PA ones, but that's about it.

    Also, can YOU donate $350,000 alone? I don't think they can either.

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  38. Hahaha! by dmatos · · Score: 3, Informative
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  39. I have tainted blood by dmatos · · Score: 1

    The Canadian Red Cross won't take my blood. They think I'm tainted. I spent more than 3 months cumulative in Great Britan between the years of 1980 and 1996. They're worried about the risk of CJD and vCJD.

    Now what am I going to do with all of this excess blood?

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    1. Re:I have tainted blood by haruchai · · Score: 1

      I was regular donor to the Canadian Red Cross, now called Canadian Blood Services, I think. But, I got fed up with answering all those questions about where I might have gone ( haven't left Canada in 15 years), have I had sex with a man since '78 ( 1. I'm straight, 2. Sex with men isn't the only way to get AIDS 3. I was 9 in '78. 4.) Where are you hiding the lie-detector).

      I give up trying to understand why they were wasting a trained nurse's time asking me questions that I might lie to, they couldn't verify and didn't matter since, no matter what, they'd test the blood anyway.
      Also, I noticed that there was an easy way for someone to look at the sticker I'd attached to the silly questionnaire to determine which option I'd chosen: Use my blood or discard.
      I brought this up with a supervisor but didn't get anywhere. Finally, I gave up and stopped giving.

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  40. This is treatment!! by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Who do you think is going to fare better - a sick kid who sits in a bed with nothing to do all day except think of the ailment that is eating him/her alive - or the same sick kid who has something fun, stimulating, and distracting to do?

    Furthermore it shows people in these hospitals that people call about thier well-being beyond just immediate family.

    It's a way to promote a more positive mental outlook which has documented and very positive effects on rates of recovery and general health. Yet hospitals just do not have it in the budget to provide for things like this, as they are seen by some people as overley frivolous. That's where the gamers come in and stick up for what they know is right and helpful.

    Furthermore, how on earth are you supposed to "give" money to a hospital to buy them some hypthetical piece of equipment they do not have? The hospitals themselves charge for work, and use that money to buy the equipment they need. Hospitals are not (yet) run by the government; if they are lacking in supplies that is the fault of hospital managemnet and really not a problem you or I can address. So we do what we can and help the people that have to endure hospital stays.

    To me there is NOTHING more noble than helping people directly. When you give money to some large group like the Red Cross it is kind of meaningless. It could go to help someone, it could be lining someones pockets. But those games I bought and sent to Hawaii are going to help real kids feel a little better about life. Similarily every year I take to heart another suggestion that Gabe posted some years ago, which is to find a Salvation Army tree (or equivilent) and buy fun things for the kids on the tree instead of the alternate request which is always something like "socks".

    That's not to say I don't also give money to those giant faceless organizations (since really the Red Cross is better than most, though not perfect if you've ever voluntered for call center duty with them) but I think everyone should try and engage in more direct charity as well.

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  41. and how about kids in iraq and afghanistan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lets give them 'americas army' so they can have fun and learn to be ter.... learn to be upstanding soldiers protecting freedom. penny arcade is pro war and therefore good for america. and so am i.

  42. Jack Thompson Beware! by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 0

    Just cause the kids are ill does not mean they are not strong enough to kick your uber-conservative ass!

    Just to piss off Jack, I say break out the 2 Live Crew and Best of Howard Stern.

    I HATE Jack Thompson and everything he does!

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  43. Can everyone just ignore the parent from now on? by donscarletti · · Score: 1
    It seems a lot of people are misunderstanding the meaning into this post. What I meant by it is that it would be nice if they sent some of the games and toys to hospitals in the third world because they have less stuff to amuse kids there and far more deseases. It seems that a lot of people have read all sorts of rubbish into it that was never intended, it may be a bit poorly worded in hindsight but slashdot does not allow editing. If you are considering being the next person to read it and get offended by it I hope that I can convince you to take a deep breath and move on.

    Thank you for your time.

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  44. Australia? by Yakman · · Score: 1

    The FAQ says:

    Q: When are you going to expand into Canada/UK/Australia/other countries?
    A: 2005!

    .. and yet I only see Canada/UK on the list of hospitals. If I donate it's going to be to an Australian hospital, so I guess I won't be doing it through Childs Play. Shame, it would have been good to contribute to the total figure.

    Yes, I know, I can just donate directly (which I may still do).

  45. I went to this last year with my wife by Kickassthegreat · · Score: 1

    I have to say, this was a great time. Not only did I have fun, meet Gabe and Tycho (who happen to be friends of a IRL friend of mine), eat great food, meet great people, and donate some money to charity, but another friend of mine who was with us won a tour of Nintendo of America during the live auction, and I almost won a tour of Wizards of the Coast.

    To give you some idea of how much pull Gabe and Tycho have out there, Nintendo doesn't usually do tours...

    People had come from all over to go to this event. I actually met a guy, a high-ranking doctor in the U.S. Army, who had come over from Korea simply to attend to this dinner for the auction.

    Overall, it was a completely unforgettable experience, and I most ferverently recommend it to anyone who can come. I'm already planning to book my tickets for this year's event.

  46. Daughter in hospital now by Chuk · · Score: 1

    Her hospital isn't one that Child's Play provides stuff to, but there are a few local corporations that have pitched in, and anything that takes away from the boredom of a few weeks in bed is great. Most donations go towards stuff that helps the kids get better, but games can make the kids feel better.

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    1. Re:Daughter in hospital now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you'd like to e-mail me the name of your daughter's hospital, I could see about getting some systems and handhelds out there post haste.

      GetWellGamers@gmail.com

      Regards,
      --Ryan Sharpe
      President, The Get-Well Gamers Foundation
      http://www.get-well-gamers.org/
      "The Get-Well Gamers Foundation- Giving Kids A Power-Up!"