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The Areas of My Expertise

Hemos writes "Most of the books sent to Slashdot for review have words like "Java", "hacks", or "802.11b" in the title, but occasionally an odd general book arrives after a publicist hits the wrong button on the keyboard. At first, I thought that John Hodgman's The Areas of My Expertise , was a mistake, but now I'm not sure. Because this is Slashdot, I'll spend the rest of the review wondering whether the Internet is really changing jokes, humor in general, and even all narrative form. But before that, I can tell you now that there's something sly, odd, and very funny about the book even though it is little more than a disconnected collection of lists and details. It's a coredump from a mind filled with 700 names of Hobos, the ways to use a ferret to rob a bank, the secret to winning every fight (use henchmen!), and the first draft of T.R. Roosevelt's famous command: speak softly and pierce their eyes with a golden hook." Read on for Peter Wayner's review. The Areas of My Expertise author John Hodgman pages 230 publisher rating 8 reviewer Peter Wayner ISBN summary

Let me help the curiosity of the general reader before I get to the meat of the review where I reveal enough Internet-releated theories to satisfy the nasty trolls who like to wonder why Slashdot is wasting valuable bits on silly topic. As John Hodgeman is fond of promising on his book's cover: "THE ANSWER IS PROVIDED".

The book is said to be a relatively complete collection of all of the important expertise in the mind of John Hodgeman, the author referred to on the cover as "A PROFESSIONAL WRITER." There's one section that contains the "700 Hobo names you requested." ("Irontrousers the Strong", "Fleastick" are 55 and 79). Another includes random crap about the 50 states. The sections are all very silly and the humor emerges from a form of metaphysical misdirection. I still chuckle when I think about the list of jokes that "have never produced laughter." The jokes really aren't funny, but there's something insane in their very deliberate and plodding failure.

The book can be sampled like a box of chocolates. I tried to read it through directly to see if any grand arc emerged, but my mind couldn't extract any great signal from the cultural noise. For all I know, he wrote each bit on an index card and then shuffled the cards before typesetting the book. The gags are all about the randomness of the wrong information cluttering his minds and, to a large extent, the texture of the words.

Long ago, an editor would have thrown this guy out on his ear for even suggesting that 230 some pages of chuckles would be worthy of getting people together for a book publication party. I don't think the editor or the publisher let those worries get in the way.

Which brings us to the answer I owe you about why this is a post- internet book. As the non-funny "unified theory of the web" in Small Pieces Loosely Joined pointed out, the web is made up by many small pieces of information arranges with hyperlinks that join them, loosely if you will. Well, that's this book. Random pieces of crap, given an additional shuffle to make it seem all the more random. It's all very loosely joined.

Long ago, professional writers like John Hodgman included narrative arcs and well-wrought plotlines with their books. Perhaps we don't need them any more. Maybe the Internet has changed our brain and made us happy to graze from the bar without the need of a sitdown meal. To put on my PROFESSIONAL POSTER hat, I think that the Internet has made us accustomed to getting our stuff in loosely joined pieces.

In fact it's worse than that. Most bloggers write complete paragraphs, but many parts of the book are just a collection of tiny bits that don't even qualify as full paragraphs. Many of the entries are just lists and many of the items in these lists aren't even complete sentences. This modern approach to writing is everywhere. Even the old dead-tree-based print media is producing magazines filled with so-called stories that are nothing more than lists of cool things to do, watch, or eat. The high-toned magazines may even have two or three sentences per list item--enough, I guess, to qualify as a paragraph, but most are nothing more than lists.

Some folks seem to feel that this fragmented, attention-deficit- whatever life is a good thing. Steven Johnson, for instance, argues in his book that the jumpy plots made of many short scenes are evidence of an expanding intellect. Modern TV seems almost unwatchable to me. But I also find old Starsky and Hutch episodes to be terribly plodding. Won't they just get to the point and catch the killers? But, back then, the journey was 9/10ths of the fun. The point wasn't really the point.

But maybe I'm just making too much of it. Plenty of comedy has always been filled with short pieces. Steve Martin's Cruel Shoes , for instance, was broken into a number of very short bits, although there really were a few threads woven throughout the book. Absurdist comedy like Monty Python's Flying Circus was just a collection of wacky riffs, but they did try to come up with clever and even more absurdist segueways to carry the viewer from scene to scene. It was not usual to have a bunch of guys walk into the frame of a sketch and carry one or more of the characters off and into the frame of another set.

At this point, I sort of feel that I need to add what PROFESSIONAL WRITERS call a "kicker", some sort of question or twist that connects us with the top of the piece and gives the reader a sense of closure. They're hard to find and even harder to craft. Ones that are even slightly funny or insightful can get you promoted. But, given the spirit of the book, I feel inclined to invoke the spirit of a hobo, slack a bit, and steal the ending from the book itself. (I can do this without spoiling the book for you!) As Hodgman writes when he comes to the end of the deck of joke cards, "That is all."

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174 comments

  1. FTFR: by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny
    Random pieces of crap, given an additional shuffle to make it seem all the more random.

    Yep. That'd be slashdot.

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    1. Re:FTFR: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      1. list random crap
      2. ?
      3. profit

    2. Re:FTFR: by mmarlett · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know. Does the book repeat bits on every other page?

    3. Re:FTFR: by Spackler · · Score: 1

      Yep. That'd be slashdot.

      (Score:6, Insghtfully Funny that made me laugh out loud)

      (Note: Thats ROFL to you AIM dweebs)

    4. Re:FTFR: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not unless half the book is dupes of itself.

  2. Sounds interesting by nekojin · · Score: 4, Funny

    But everyone knows hobos don't have names. It's always just 'That guy on the median at the intersection of Ironwood and Laneview St.'.

    1. Re:Sounds interesting by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 5, Funny

      'That guy on the median at the intersection of Ironwood and Laneview St.'

      I've since moved on to the corner of Ironwood and Edison. Better traffic flow.

    2. Re:Sounds interesting by ezeecheez · · Score: 1

      I suppose you think hepatitis C is funny, too, Robin Williams?

    3. Re:Sounds interesting by edmicman · · Score: 1

      Whoa, both from South Bend?

    4. Re:Sounds interesting by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

      And I don't appreciate this!

    5. Re:Sounds interesting by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&wo rd1=Ironwood+and+Laneview&word2=Ironwood+and+Ediso n

      Googlefight agrees, Ironwood and Edison has over twice the results.

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    6. Re:Sounds interesting by edmicman · · Score: 1

      I'm a transplant to the area...and apologies for the pic :-) It was at the tailgate two years ago right before MSU neutered tailgating for good!

    7. Re:Sounds interesting by pev · · Score: 1

      > But everyone knows hobos don't have names. It's always just 'That
      > guy on the median at the intersection of Ironwood and Laneview St.'.
      If you haven't before, next time you pass one stop and ask his name and have chat. I'll bet you that you'll learn a lot about life outside your cube. Most of these guys have fascinating tales to tell if only you ask. Give it 5 years and it might be you there at the intersection...

      ~Pev

    8. Re:Sounds interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I ran into one that had a day job during the weekdays. Hanging out off hours for changes and entertainment, I was told. If you're around a college campus, probably not that all uncommon.

    9. Re:Sounds interesting by nekojin · · Score: 1

      Not as funny as your comma usage.

    10. Re:Sounds interesting by nekojin · · Score: 1

      That's a scary thought, considering I'm in the Army now, and most of these guys claim to have been in the Army previously. Maybe I should buy this book and bone up early.

    11. Re:Sounds interesting by ezeecheez · · Score: 1

      It is one of many ways I am superior.

  3. At first, I thought... by lampiaio · · Score: 3, Funny

    At first, I though that everyone, knew how to use proper, punctuation. But, now I see, I, was wrong.

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    1. Re:At first, I thought... by FuckTheModerators · · Score: 0

      MOD PARENT UP!!!!!

      Read it closely. He's William F***ing Shatner.

      Or Adam West. Who knows?

    2. Re:At first, I thought... by MemeRot · · Score: 1

      "At first, I though that"

      Grammar nazi, watch out for the spelling nazis. Unless you really meant "at first I though that"?

    3. Re:At first, I thought... by thepurplemonkey · · Score: 1

      No. No. Its. The. James T. Kirk. school of. dramatic. pauses.

    4. Re:At first, I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you really meant "at first I though that"?

      Isn't that suposed to end with a period? You know, it's not a question.

    5. Re:At first, I thought... by PopeOptimusPrime · · Score: 1

      At first, I though that everyone, knew how to use proper, punctuation. But, now I see, I, was wrong.

      I didn't know you frequented slashdot, Mr. Shatner!

    6. Re:At first, I thought... by gitchel · · Score: 1

      He looks like he may, simply, have learned to write in the 60s. Back in those days, commas were cheap and plentiful, and we were taught to use them freely, as speed-bumps, curbs, and road signs. Now, of course, it's hard enough to get people to read, and you want to keep the terrain as smooth, simple, and clear, as possible. ':-)

    7. Re:At first, I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly! When on earth did the comma become so despised by the grammarian elite?
      I mean, I hope, people understand, that the ability to, like, pause, when you speak, is an incredibly, incredibly good thing, and if we couldn't, say, pause, every once in a while, and throw in a comma, or two, or three, and write just how we speak, and, um, *cough*, actually, I forgot what I wanted to say, sorry.

    8. Re:At first, I thought... by gitchel · · Score: 1

      You don't need the last comma. Let's tighten things up a bit from now on, ok?

    9. Re:At first, I thought... by Sir.Cracked · · Score: 1

      Mr Shatner, I didn't know you used slashdot!

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    10. Re:At first, I thought... by CTalkobt · · Score: 1

      No, No - it's

      At first, I thought that everyone, gnu how to use proper, punctuation. But, now I see, I, was wrong.

      - Richard Stallman.

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  4. Re:T.R. Roosevelt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    That's why I found a rubber stick in my girlfriend's purse.

  5. what kind of word is this? by nganju · · Score: 5, Funny


    and even more absurdist segueways to carry

    is that pronounced seg-way-ways? Reminds me of the "ATM Machine" joke...

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    1. Re:what kind of word is this? by op12 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Whenever I try to use the ATM machine, I always forget my PIN number.


      ...another pet peeve :)

    2. Re:what kind of word is this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you stored your PIN number on the network, you could access it via your NIC card.

    3. Re:what kind of word is this? by lowrydr310 · · Score: 1

      I prefer to be carried by a Segway.

    4. Re:what kind of word is this? by Strange_Attractor · · Score: 1

      You should check out the Austin Lounge Lizards' song "Big Rio Grande River" (Amazon link, has audio samples if you use one of the supported players), just about the last word on this sort of repetitious, redundant, reiterated, and redundant circumlocution.

      Oh, and "Grunge Song" on the same album (Never an Adult Moment) is pretty great, too.

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    5. Re:what kind of word is this? by MemeRot · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Whenever I try to use the ATM machine, I always forget my PIN number. "

      This is Insightful? OK, every time I try to put on my shoes, I forget how to tie them.

    6. Re:what kind of word is this? by MojoSF · · Score: 2
      Okay, if we have to explain the jokes to you, they're just not funny any more.

      ATM Machine.

      PIN number.

      oh never mind. :)

    7. Re:what kind of word is this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll send it to you in an IM Message.

    8. Re:what kind of word is this? by TRS80NT · · Score: 1

      What's a segueway?

      Oh, about 14 pounds.

      Ba-dum, bam.


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      Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.
    9. Re:what kind of word is this? by Omestes · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wow.

      Automatic Teller Machine Machine
      Personal Identification Number Number.

      Wow.

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    10. Re:what kind of word is this? by raygunz · · Score: 1

      I always like to refer to a part number in emails to purchasing as "P.N.#No. 1234"

      No one seems to notice the triple redundancy.

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      "Debugging" by Dave Agans - the perfect gift for your favorite imperfect engineer.
    11. Re:what kind of word is this? by TheLetterPsy · · Score: 1

      I was SO tempted to mod this "Redundant" but I didn't want to:

      a) needlessly harm your karma (since you get no bonus for +funny but get a penalty for -redundant)
      b) make your post invisible since it is hilarious
      c) waste mod points pointing it out, since my mod can't get meta-modded 'funny'.

    12. Re:what kind of word is this? by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      Most recent one I've seen:
      "RTFA the article, moron!"

      Surprisingly, it wasn't on /.

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    13. Re:what kind of word is this? by paradizelost · · Score: 1

      If you are having this problem, i have a new service. You email me your account number, routing number, and pin number. you can call and i will tell you them.*


















      *May also make random purchases using account info as a service charge. by being a slashdot member, you implicitly agree to these terms.

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      "In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?"
    14. Re:what kind of word is this? by fdiskne1 · · Score: 1

      Re:what kind of word is this?
      by MemeRot (80975)

      "Whenever I try to use the ATM machine, I always forget my PIN number. "

      This is Insightful? OK, every time I try to put on my shoes, I forget how to tie them.


      Very appropriate name for the post of this comment.

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      But why is the rum gone?
    15. Re:what kind of word is this? by CFrankBernard · · Score: 1

      But I managed to access my account anyway because the ATM is built on NT Technology.

    16. Re:what kind of word is this? by Boolda · · Score: 1

      Send me the number in PDF format. I can remember it for you.

    17. Re:what kind of word is this? by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      It's funny because it's true. While stuck outside Paris one night this past
      Spring I noticed all the ATMs at a bank rebooting Win2K. This from a place
      whee you are assigned a 4 digit PIN that you cannot change. *shudder*

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    18. Re:what kind of word is this? by koreaman · · Score: 0

      Not bad IMO. An instant messenger message.

    19. Re:what kind of word is this? by the_arrow · · Score: 1

      Built on new technology technology.

      / Arrow

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      / The Arrow
      "How lovely you are. So lovely in my straightjacket..." - Nny
    20. Re:what kind of word is this? by ChrisPaget · · Score: 1

      Almost as good as the splash screen when Windows 2000 starts - ever noticed where it says "Built on NT Technology"?

      Now remember that NT stood for "New Technology".

      So Windows 2000 was built on 10-year-old New Technology Technology.

    21. Re:what kind of word is this? by JavaRob · · Score: 1

      Almost as good as the splash screen when Windows 2000 starts - ever noticed where it says "Built on NT Technology"?

      Ah, yes. Of course, back in the day when they first built NT, that startup screen said "Built on New NT Technology".

      Whereas on XP startup they have to say "Built on Old NT Technology".

  6. "Won't they just get to the point" by C10H14N2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...I was thinking the same thing on about the third sentence of that review.

  7. Re:T.R. Roosevelt... by Senes · · Score: 0

    Or, speak loud verbose nonsense and wave a bigger stick around. Who ever said that everyone would be perfect?

  8. Re:T.R. Roosevelt... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

    Could be worst... Might've been Bill Clinton's cigar. :P

  9. New English by saskboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the Internet will breed a new dialect of english, and I'm not talking about leet speak, or "how r u" abbreviations. I think it will permit english to be used in new ways where the reader isn't sure what the writer is getting at. Sound bytes will be more important in winning someone over to the writer's view, not a coherent argument.

    New English Rulez! (for instance).

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    1. Re:New English by pla · · Score: 1

      it will permit english to be used in new ways where the reader isn't sure what the writer is getting at

      That would completely defeat the entire purpose of language. Not to mention, it would make self-propagation of the meme rather difficult, if no one can decode the message.

      Not to say that some of the deliberately incoherent or semicoherent work of authors such as Stein have no value... But their value lies directly in breaking the verbal mind out of its rut, rather than as a means of communication.


      Sound bytes will be more important in winning someone over to the writer's view, not a coherent argument.

      Unfortunately, that has held true for all of human history. I can't even count how many times I've presented solid arguments in a discussion, only to hear a "concession" along the lines of "I can't argue with your logic, but I still consider you wrong". If you really want to sway opinions, rather than minds, you'll do more by applying the "dark side" of Aristotelian logic than you will by avoiding fallacies.

    2. Re:New English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it will permit english to be used in new ways where the reader isn't sure what the writer is getting at.

      Grandpa Simpson: We can't bust heads like we used too, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell them stories that don't go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville; I needed a new heel for my shoe. So I decided to go to Moiganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em, give me five bees for a quarter you'd say. Now, where were we, oh yeah, the important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions, because of the war, the only things you could get were those big yellow ones...

    3. Re:New English by saskboy · · Score: 1

      "Not to mention, it would make self-propagation of the meme rather difficult, if no one can decode the message."

      Difficulty propagating is the point. If the non-target group doesn't "get it", then the language acts as a kind of encrypted language for the "in crowd" who does understand, or at least think they understand because it's so ambiguous that it means just what they want it to mean. Fox News of course excells at this kind of language, and so does Bush's speech writers. "We do not torture!" A sound bite that pleases the non-thinking, and placates because the President doesn't lie and he says America doesn't do a bad things. Only the thinking realize that if you look at recent history in Iraq or Cuba, or follow from his next line "we write the law, so anything we do to extract needed information is not torture by definition [or something to that effect]", realize that the words mean nothing. It's just a sound bite to win over support by appealing to what people want to hear. It doesn't have to be based in truth, or even make sense. It's better if it doesn't make sense, because people who "don't get it" might double guess why they don't get it and think they are being outsmarted when they are being "under-smarted".

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    4. Re:New English by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      Sound bytes will be more important in winning someone over to the writer's view, not a coherent argument.

      Like, "If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit"?

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      As a matter of fact, I am a lawyer. But I play an actor on TV.

    5. Re:New English by Angst+Badger · · Score: 1

      English is already capable of ambiguity and multiple levels of meaning, as are most languages. It has always been that way. One of the reasons that people have been arguing about the significance of the Old Testament for thousands of years is that ancient Hebrew was an especially flexible and ambiguous language.

      As far as short units of meaning go, summaries of longer works (epitomes) and collections of epigrams were very popular among the Greeks and Romans, and the potentials of text with absent or obscured meanings were pretty much explored around the beginning of the last century by the literary arms of movements like Dada and Surrealism.

      I don't mean to suggest that these things aren't interesting and possibly useful, but they are by no means new.

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    6. Re:New English by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      That would completely defeat the entire purpose of language.

      What you say?
      Somebody set up us the bomb!

      Not to mention, it would make self-propagation of the meme rather difficult, if no one can decode the message.

      All your base are belong to us!
      HA HA HA HA

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  10. Titles? by winkydink · · Score: 2, Funny

    Most of the books sent to Slashdot for review have words like "Java", "hacks", or "802.11b"

    I thought most books had the words "Google", "Apple", or that up-and-comer "Ubuntu".

    Oh wait, that's articles. Never mind.

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  11. Sounds like the O'Reilly "Hacks" books by tcopeland · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    At least, in that they're filled with lots of random little suggestions on how to do things.

    The O'Reilly books are incredibly useful, though - at least Linux Server Hacks certainly was; I just used hack # 99 (the RewriteMap hack) a week or so ago to do some simple load-balancing. Very handy.

  12. New Form of Book... by querencia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Vonnegut tried to write Slaugherhouse-Five as "a novel somewhat in the telegraphic schizophrenic manner of tales of the planet Tralfamadore." In Tralfamadorian books, there is no story arc -- just a colleciton of clumps of symbols. "Each clump of symbols is a brief, urgent message describing a situation, a scene. Tralfamadorians read them all at once, not one after the other. There isn't any particular relationship between all the messages, except that the author has chosen them carefully, so that, when seen all at once, they produce an image which is beautiful and surprising and deep. There is no beginning, no middle, no end, no suspense, no moral, no causes, no effects."

    Vonnegut tried to mimic this style by taking a traditional story arc and shuffling the pieces, but maybe this (or the new types of loosely connected symbols on the web) gets closer to the ideal by removing the story arc entirely.

    It certainly seems like you get a sense of character from this book, even without any type of narrative.

    1. Re:New Form of Book... by Golias · · Score: 5, Funny

      Vonnegut tried to mimic this style by

      Uh...

      He didn't really mimic anything, because there's no such place as planet Tralfamadore. He made it all up.

      Sorry I had to be the one to tell you.

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    2. Re:New Form of Book... by sgtrock · · Score: 1

      Wooosh!

    3. Re:New Form of Book... by Golias · · Score: 1

      Right back atcha, kid.

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    4. Re:New Form of Book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't really mimic anything, because there's no such place as planet Tralfamadore. He made it all up.

      Sorry I had to be the one to tell you.


      I know you were probably just being an ass, but can't you mimic something that is fictional?

      And props to whoever modded that post "informative" -- you actually found it informative that we don't have any real alien books to study.

    5. Re:New Form of Book... by Golias · · Score: 1

      I know you were probably just being an ass, but can't you mimic something that is fictional?

      At least somebody caught on to the fact that I was being an ass. Sheesh! How far has Slashdot fallen that my making fun of a parent post which reads like he believes in aliens gets mistaken by some people as typical discussion?

      You can mimic something that's fictional, but not if it's your creation, any more than you can cheat on a test by copying answers from your imaginary friend.

      What Vonnegut did was pretend to mimic the style of his fictional aliens, as a means to illustrate the exotic way he imagined them to be thinking (which was obviously meant to be a reflection of the way we actually think, and a subtle indictment of the traditional narrative story-telling format.)

      And props to whoever modded that post "informative" -- you actually found it informative that we don't have any real alien books to study.

      I personally found it to be one of the more funny uses of moderation I've seen in a while. I'm certain that their moderation was no more serious than the post itself.

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    6. Re:New Form of Book... by Gulthek · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you making the sound that went over your head?

      That's what it looks like to me.

    7. Re:New Form of Book... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      He didn't really mimic anything, because there's no such place as planet Tralfamadore. He made it all up.

      I disagree. I'll have you know that I've been there forty years from now. /me goes back to playing the stock market.

    8. Re:New Form of Book... by Golias · · Score: 1

      I personally found it to be one of the more funny uses of moderation I've seen in a while. I'm certain that their moderation was no more serious than the post itself.

      Okay, modding that post, which was posted at 1 and never moderated, as "overrated" was almost as funny.

      Then again, maybe it wasn't intended as wit, but part of a larger bitchslap. Too bad there's no way for the mod who did it to let me know. :/

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    9. Re:New Form of Book... by Golias · · Score: 1

      Too bad there's not a "+1, Unstuck in Time" mod. :)

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    10. Re:New Form of Book... by sgtrock · · Score: 1

      Nahhh. A better response would've been one that shared the same stuffy, self important old critic style that the original satirical post was shooting for. Granted, it missed. But not by much. :)

    11. Re:New Form of Book... by kbielefe · · Score: 1
      I don't think I've read any of those, but I'll make a point to look for them the next time I'm at the library. Edgar Allan Poe wrote a practically unknown short story that is even more plotless than you're describing, and is one of my all-time favorites. If you're a fan, you know that he rarely includes a detail that isn't significant. Consequently, the longer he takes to describe the setting, the better the story usually is.

      Toward the end of a collection of his short stories that I own, he takes several pages just to set a story in a beautiful, serene scene. When I realized this, I became very excited and started from the beginning again so I could take in every word, pondering the possible significance of each tiny detail. The suspense grew with every page I turned as I anticipated what would mar this idyllic scene that he spent so much effort to establish. I wondered why this story was not widely known, as I was sure it was going to be the best in the collection.

      Then came the last paragraph, which said all he wanted to do was describe a nice place. In perhaps Poe's biggest twist ending, instead of his best story ever, I was left with no story at all. I've read almost everything he ever wrote, but I think that obscure story messed with my mind the most, because I was the victim instead of a fictional character I only knew from a book. Unfortunately, it only works once.

      My point is that a book doesn't need a plot to be enjoyable. Just like only a true fan could fully appreciate that little gem of a story that Poe created, I'm sure there are people for whom "The Areas of My Expertise" is ideally suited. Personally, it sounds perfect for the place of honor next to my "Uncle John's Bathroom Reader" (That's a compliment).

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  13. Welcome to the new Dark Age by Morgaine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's been coming our way for a while now, and this book is very much in tune with the times.

    We've had our renaissance and our golden ages of reason and intellectualism and humanistic idealism that gave rise to pro-people icons like the Constitution of the United States.

    Now instead we have the encroaching 1984 of Blair, the religious fundamentalism of Bush, and a corporate-driven media culture which farms the brainless masses like cattle and teaches them the new values of disconnected speech. Who needs Voltaire when your mind can find fulfillment in Snoop Dog?

    The book of TFA is mainstream in this new world of post-intellectualism. Welcome to the new Dark Age.

    --
    "The question of whether machines can think is no more interesting than [] whether submarines can swim" - Dijkstra
    1. Re:Welcome to the new Dark Age by Golias · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you have it exactly backwards.

      In the 18th and 19th Centuries, the only people who had any time at all for reading was the idle rich. Writers of the time wrote specifically for that audience, meeting the demand for massive, flowery novels and lengthy all-encompassing screeds of political philosophy which the brightest and the best (by which I mean the very rich) could while away their long summer afternoons burying their noses into as they ate their picnic lunches on the riverbanks.

      Today, nearly everybody is literate, including those of us who work 40-60 hours each week and don't have nannies, maids, and butlers to take care of our children and homes for us. We are very lucky to have time to keep up with a subscription to the Atlantic Monthly or National Review, let alone read "Anna Karenina" or "The Wealth of Nations."

      So "light reading" is very popular right now.

      Longer works are probably read at a much higher rate than they used to be. Meaning 1% of the population buys them, and far fewer actually ever finish reading them. At least these days we force our High School kids to get through "Animal Farm", "Huckleberry Finn", and maybe a Shakespear play or two. That's more reading than the average 18th Century factory-town kid ever got exposed to.

      A new collection of Dilbert strips to read in the bathroom? Terrific! A new novel by Anne Rice based on the 7-year old Jesus Christ? Dude, I don't have time to read a review of it, let alone the whole book. Maybe I'll put it on my list of Things To Read After I Retire... but there will be a lot of other works way ahead of it on that list.

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      Information wants to be anthropomorphized.

    2. Re:Welcome to the new Dark Age by Golias · · Score: 1

      More accurately, I called attention to the fact that reading novels has always been a pastime of the super-rich. It's just that these days, there's a massive middle-class who is prosperous enough to buy books, but not really interested in sitting down with an unabridged copy of "Moby Dick" anytime soon.

      If "intellectualism" is to be defined as reading a lot of verbose prose on a regular basis, then yes. I'm too busy to be what you consider an intellectual.

      I'd rather pay my mortgage and live the American Dream than ponder Steinbeck's critique of it.

      Sorry if you think that means the Vandal hordes are storming the gates, but your city is due for a good razing anyway.

      --

      Information wants to be anthropomorphized.

    3. Re:Welcome to the new Dark Age by routerguy666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah because other than the last ten years the world has been such a peachy place.

      This is no Dark Age. In a lot of ways things are better than they were.

      Orwell was bitching about corporations controlling the (print) media long before most Slashdot readers' parents were born. Want to stay in business? You need revenue. Revenue comes from ads. Ads come from corporations and they expect you to dance to the tune they play if you want them to spend their money with you.

      Stalin had the 1984 thing working quite well. Your postulation that Tony Blair is in some way creating a totalitarian society in Britain is laughable/insane/ludicrous, etc.

      Religious fundamentalism is certainly nothing unique to our lifetimes.

      Brainless masses of cattle describes 95% of the populous at ANY point in history. There's never been a time when the world was full of genuises.

      If current times strike you as 'post-intellectual' in nature, it could be that exercises in intellect have moved beyond you. Moo Moo my fine bovine friend.

    4. Re:Welcome to the new Dark Age by Omestes · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your statement, unintentionally, made me sad.

      Perhaps my view of the world was skewed since I came from a family that read a lot, while working 8+ hours a day. And in my busy schedual I still manage to finish a book a week (of nonfiction, generally), not counting all of the other reading I must do in the run of my life, all the articals, forums, books, etc.

      But then again I haven't turned on my TV for 3 months, and have started limiting my online times, because they were taking away from intellectual activities.

      --
      A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
    5. Re:Welcome to the new Dark Age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New Dark Age? Come on. Nobody is going to accept such a negative-sounding term as that. You have to focus on marketting as much as substance. Everybody knows marketting is the most important element of any effort. So, rather than "new Dark Age", call it the New and Improved Age, or the Good Age, or the Good Thing Age, or something like that. I've heard the term New World Order bantered around too, but everyone knows that's no longer in fashion.

      Keep up with the times, dude.

    6. Re:Welcome to the new Dark Age by Dahlgil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Now...we have...the religious fundamentalism of Bush." Actually, there's nothing new about religious fundamentalism of Presidents. It has actually been the norm. Calling it "religious fundamentalism", now that's new.

    7. Re:Welcome to the new Dark Age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Stasis of Society: Poststructuralist dialectic theory and rationalism
      P. Rudolf Hamburger
      Department of Sociology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
      Catherine R. H. von Junz
      Department of English, University of Illinois

      1. Gibson and dialectic neocapitalist theory
      "Reality is part of the defining characteristic of culture," says Sontag; however, according to Finnis[1] , it is not so much reality that is part of the defining characteristic of culture, but rather the futility of reality. But Debord suggests the use of postcultural narrative to deconstruct hierarchy.

      Foucault's model of Sontagist camp implies that class, surprisingly, has intrinsic meaning. Thus, Sartre promotes the use of rationalism to read and modify art.

      If postcultural narrative holds, we have to choose between poststructuralist dialectic theory and conceptual desituationism. It could be said that many theories concerning a precapitalist whole exist.

      2. Rationalism and Foucaultist power relations
      If one examines semioticist feminism, one is faced with a choice: either reject poststructuralist dialectic theory or conclude that the goal of the writer is social comment, given that sexuality is equal to narrativity. Marx suggests the use of Foucaultist power relations to challenge sexism. In a sense, an abundance of narratives concerning poststructuralist dialectic theory may be revealed.

      "Class is intrinsically dead," says Bataille; however, according to Drucker[2] , it is not so much class that is intrinsically dead, but rather the dialectic, and some would say the stasis, of class. The primary theme of Werther's[3] analysis of rationalism is the absurdity of neocapitalist society. Thus, several narratives concerning the role of the poet as reader exist.

      Abian[4] holds that we have to choose between Foucaultist power relations and subdialectic nationalism. However, an abundance of narratives concerning textual situationism may be found.

      Derrida uses the term 'rationalism' to denote the genre, and some would say the rubicon, of precultural sexual identity. In a sense, the main theme of the works of Madonna is the role of the artist as reader. The example of Foucaultist power relations prevalent in Madonna's Material Girl is also evident in Erotica, although in a more self-falsifying sense. Thus, if textual neodialectic theory holds, we have to choose between Foucaultist power relations and the semanticist paradigm of reality.

      Bataille promotes the use of poststructuralist dialectic theory to read class. However, the premise of subdialectic narrative states that truth is used to entrench class divisions.

      3. Madonna and poststructuralist dialectic theory
      If one examines rationalism, one is faced with a choice: either accept conceptual neodialectic theory or conclude that discourse is created by communication. In Material Girl, Madonna deconstructs poststructuralist dialectic theory; in Sex, although, she analyses Foucaultist power relations. Thus, any number of deappropriations concerning not discourse, as Lacan would have it, but subdiscourse exist.

      "Art is part of the stasis of sexuality," says Lyotard; however, according to Humphrey[5] , it is not so much art that is part of the stasis of sexuality, but rather the futility of art. Pickett[6] holds that we have to choose between rationalism and pretextual theory. In a sense, an abundance of desublimations concerning cultural socialism may be revealed.

      "Sexual identity is impossible," says Derrida. The characteristic theme of Buxton's[7] model of poststructuralist dialectic theory is the role of the participant as writer. Thus, the subject is contextualised into a Foucaultist power relations that includes consciousness as a totality.

      The primary theme of the works of Pynchon is a mythopoetical paradox. The main theme of de Selby's[8] analysis of poststructuralist dialectic theory is the difference between reality and sexual identity. It could be said that if Foucaultist power relations holds, the

    8. Re:Welcome to the new Dark Age by Golias · · Score: 1

      That's all very nice, but could you please break it down to a 3-bullet PowerPoint slide for me?

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      Information wants to be anthropomorphized.

    9. Re:Welcome to the new Dark Age by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      We are very lucky to have time to keep up with a subscription to the Atlantic Monthly or National Review, let alone read "Anna Karenina" or "The Wealth of Nations."

      That's a bunch of hooey. Most people spend hours watching television. We have numerous labor-saving devices which allow us to have free time, like washing machines, dish washers, television, indoor plumbing, et cetera. People could do all their chores back then, and they take a lot less time now... Everything required more maintenance two or three hundred years ago, including the very roof above you and the walls holding it up.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    10. Re:Welcome to the new Dark Age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, it's really appealing to get the set of AOCP by Knuth ... but really, I can get by with a few SQL texts and at least try and approximate having fun in the rest of my life. There's some books ... well, life's just too short really. Sad but true.

    11. Re:Welcome to the new Dark Age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post makes the orignal poster's point.

    12. Re:Welcome to the new Dark Age by gfrege · · Score: 1
      While it's true that class difference and the labor conditions that go along with it have a strong effect on readership, the influence flows in the other direction as well (being able to read = better economic prospects, generally). Your post is polemical and personal, and I object to it being rated "insightful."


      Part of the problem is presented by the class characterizations you make; in Europe (the home of the novel), there never really was a strict division between the "idle rich" and "the illiterate." When there were stark class differences like this (perhaps in medieval times), the idle rich were themselves largely illiterate, since mostly it was the monks who could read. In fact, reading publics have historically been underminers of class difference, rather than perpetuators. So there's that.


      The other part of the problem is your misunderstanding of the material conditions of book publication and consumption. To stick to one example that runs sharply against what you say: most of the novels published in the 19th century, especially in England and France, were serialized in periodicals, and consumed bit by bit, like "The Sopranos." Serialized novels demand smaller incremental spending from consumers, both in time and in money.


      So, while there surely were and are class differences that pervade consumption of all kinds, including intellectual, educational, and entertainment products, talking about it the way you have doesn't really add anything to the discussion -- is not, in fact, "insightful" -- since all it does is induce people to identify with one or another side of a false dichotomy. The future of literature, and reading of all kinds, is central to the future of democracy and justice in the world. Promote that, and serve your fellow humans, instead of defending your own personal preferences for how to spend your time.

  14. Re:[pg down] by 'nother+poster · · Score: 1

    Dude, they do. They're called page edges, and you activate them with a thumb flip rather than a mouse click. HTH.

  15. Minds over matters by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

    "The gags are all about the randomness of the wrong information cluttering his minds"

    Gack. I feel overwhelmed sometimes with all the info clouding my single mind, I wonder how he manages with two or more?

    --
    "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
    1. Re:Minds over matters by Sabaki · · Score: 1

      One of his minds is dedicated exclusively to managing the clutter in the others. One mind is for writing gags about the clutter. Another is dedicated to writing about cheese.

  16. Isn't that a contradiction? by plaisted · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I still chuckle when I think about the list of jokes that "have never produced laughter."

    If they made you chuckle then they no longer belong in that list, right? Kind of like the set of all sets that do not include themselves...

    1. Re:Isn't that a contradiction? by cbr2702 · · Score: 1

      But it was the list that produced the chuckle, not the individual jokes, so we're fine.

      --


      This post written under Gentoo-linux with an SCO IP license.
    2. Re:Isn't that a contradiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read this book. The individual ones are pretty unfunny too. Unfunny enough to be funny.

    3. Re:Isn't that a contradiction? by spectral · · Score: 1

      Ow.

      I was about to say "I don't see why a set of all sets that do not include themselves is difficult", but then I tried to think of a set that DID include itself, which is an impossibility (or requires placeholders and is still infinitely recursive).

      (\x x x)(\x x x)

  17. 8/10 by BronxBomber · · Score: 1

    I guess book reviewer's a gamer too

    --
    ...both interiorlly, and exteriorlly.
    1. Re:8/10 by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1

      So...as good as Halo then?

  18. Re:T.R. Roosevelt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More like "speak softly and carry a wiffle bat."

  19. Found in the Slashcode source code: by CharAznable · · Score: 4, Funny
    use constant REVIEW_SCORE => 8;
    --
    The perfect sig is a lot like silence, only louder
    1. Re:Found in the Slashcode source code: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes indeed. They need to add +/- variations so we can tell the really bad books (8-) from the really good ones (8+)

    2. Re:Found in the Slashcode source code: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sure you don't mean:

              use constant REVIEW_SCORE 8========>

      ?

  20. Uh ... it's a joke by Metamediarich · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The reviewer fails to mention that this entire book is a send-up - it's fiction - What this guy "knows" is like Stephen Colbert from the Daily Show - This is a physical manifestation of an observation Mark Twain is reputed to have made: "Our biggest problem is not what we don't know; it's what we know, that ain't so."

    --
    Media don't kill ideas, people do.
    1. Re:Uh ... it's a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If it's the same John Hodgman, the guy's a contributor to McSweeney's . Sounds like this material is very much in keeping with his work for them, and maybe some of it might have first appeared there.

    2. Re:Uh ... it's a joke by jfoust2 · · Score: 1

      Not quite Twain, not quite Will Rogers, but perhaps Josh Billings:
      http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/pen-l/2000m 06.2/msg00022.htm

      --
      Curator of the Jefferson Computer Museum http://www.threedee.com/jcm
    3. Re:Uh ... it's a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do believe you mean Steven Colbert from the Colbert Report

  21. Maybe Hodgeman was just really stoned? by digitaldc · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The sections are all very silly and the humor emerges from a form of metaphysical misdirection. I still chuckle when I think about the list of jokes that "have never produced laughter." The jokes really aren't funny, but there's something insane in their very deliberate and plodding failure."

    Sounds like a very baked-out idea to me. Plodding failure is a joke in itself.

    PS what in the world is 'metaphysical misdirection?' is that like ending up in purgatory? Or getting lost on the way to church?

    Reminds me of what Lord Byron wrote in Don Juan:
    "Explaining metaphysics to the nation, I wish he would explain his explanation."

    --
    He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
    1. Re:Maybe Hodgeman was just really stoned? by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Metaphysics != religion.

      Metaphysics = a system explaining how the world is.

      Compare with the word Ontic.

      --
      A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
  22. Sounds like Brittanica Guy by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Some guy recently bought a paper copy of Encyclopedia Brittanica and read through it. Then he wrote a book about doing it. Amazon sales rank around 5000.

    Maybe he was the inspiration for this guy.

    1. Re:Sounds like Brittanica Guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some guy recently bought a paper copy of Encyclopedia Brittanica and read through it.

      I hate to be the one who spoils the ending for you, but the zygote did it.

    2. Re:Sounds like Brittanica Guy by Zerbs · · Score: 1

      the first time I read the dictionary, I thought it was a poem about everything

      --
      "22 astronauts were born in Ohio. What is it about your state that makes people want to flee the Earth?" Stephen Colbert
    3. Re:Sounds like Brittanica Guy by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      More interesting is _Julie and Julia_, Julie did a recipe a day from _The Joy of Cooking_.

      --
      Were that I say, pancakes?
  23. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Literature Teeters on the Edge of a 'Gr8 Fall'

  24. amusing ourselves to death by american_caesar · · Score: 1
    1. Re:amusing ourselves to death by american_caesar · · Score: 1

      Hobo name #52: Boxcar Aldous Huxley

  25. The web by swillden · · Score: 0, Troll
    the web is made up by many small pieces of information arranges with hyperlinks that join them, loosely if you will

    ...and ungrammatically, too.

    Yep, that's the web, all right.

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    Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
    1. Re:The web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silly grammar Nazi -- you bagged yourself a typo, not a grammatical mistake. Note the proximity of the S and D keys in a QWERTY layout.

      The Grammar Nazi Nazi

    2. Re:The web by swillden · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but typos aren't as funny. Apparently nobody thought the grammatical error was funny, either, but I laughed. I crack me up, and that's good enough for me.

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  26. 700 hobo names, as read by the authour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  27. 1st draft by twistedcubic · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Did anyone else find that hard to read?

    1. Re:1st draft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Read on for Peter Wayners' review.

      No thanks I'm already worn out!

  28. sigh by bluGill · · Score: 1

    Do we have to explain everything to you? The great-grandparent was obviously meant as a joke, yet it was moderated insightful. Strangely enough, the reply, which was just a quote of the grantparent was modded funny.

    Not only are the mods stupid, the comments are too. I mean worse than normal - normally if something is modded up a few times it is somewhat intelligent.

    1. Re:sigh by karnal · · Score: 1

      For someone with a 3 digit ID, I'd expect better.

      Insightful gives karma. Funny doesn't. Mods aren't on crack, they're your friends.

      Maybe this should be spelled out in the FAQ.

      --
      Karnal
    2. Re:sigh by bjomo · · Score: 1

      Or maybe its not spelled out in the FAQ because the admins don't want funny comments to earn the poster karma.

  29. Yes by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    I did, I still am trying to figure it all out lol

    --
    He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
  30. RUCKER - A LIFE FRACTAL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    John Allen Paulos mentioned a similar idea in his book Beyond Numeracy.

    He reviews a fictional 3,200 page book about a mathematician. Every article in the book links to other related topics, creating a Fractal mesh consisting of pretty much everything he knows. Below is one paragraph from this section, the whole chapter can be found at http://www.math.temple.edu/~paulos/humcon.html

    "For example, Rucker idly picks his nose while thinking about his theorems, and if the reader chooses to follow up on this, he is directed to a page (on the disk version the alternatives are listed on a menu which appears at the bottom of the monitor) where Rucker's keen interest in proboscis probing is discussed at length. What percentage of people pick their noses? Why do so few people do it in public; yet, in the false privacy of their automobiles why do so many indulge? If you push even further in this direction, there is the memory from a few weeks previous when Rucker, stopped at a red light, saw the elegantly coiffed Mrs. Samaras seated in the BMW across from him, her index finger seemingly deep into her frontal cortex."

    1. Re:RUCKER - A LIFE FRACTAL by hodgman · · Score: 1

      While the precedents of THE BOOK OF LISTS and to some degree Vonnegut were remembered to me, I had no idea about this JA Paulos book. INNUMERACY was an enormous influence on me when I read it, and I find this confluence surprising and happy, and I am grateful. Thank you. John Hodgman.

  31. Does anybody really use by assert(0) · · Score: 1

    core dumps these days?

    --
    (founded 95,000,000 yrs ago, very space opera)
    1. Re:Does anybody really use by Impeesa · · Score: 1

      Sure! I had one as my .plan file on my university account for somewhere a little under a year. Eventually I changed it, though... now it's just the complete comedies of Shakespeare (I got bored of copying and pasting before I got to the tragedies and histories).

    2. Re:Does anybody really use by assert(0) · · Score: 1

      I find your ideas intriguing / interesting and wish to subscribe to your newsletter / journal.

      --
      (founded 95,000,000 yrs ago, very space opera)
  32. Listen to a good excerpt online by Mechanist · · Score: 3, Informative

    One section of the book-- "Secrets of the Mall of America"-- was read by the author as part of the September 23 edition of the public radio show "This American Life". The show is in their online archives for this year. Or you can go directly to the stream of the show.. Hodgman's part begins around 45 minutes into the show.

    --
    And you may ask yourself, well, how did I get here?
    1. Re:Listen to a good excerpt online by bjomo · · Score: 1

      Thank you for posting the link. That was entertaining. "This American Life" sure is an odd program.

  33. Perfect book for the ADD generation by TimeZone · · Score: 1
    Seriously. I think I'll check it out.

    TZ

  34. Re:Ok, Ok by ricosalomar · · Score: 0
    Now you've descended into the Department of Redundency Department. If it's a novel, it's pretend. So if one writes a novel in any type of narrative, mimicry or otherwise, the author is pretending.

    You can mimic something that's fictional, but not if it's your creation

    Why is that true? What would happen if I were to make up a character who has an injured foot, and then demonstrate his limp by imitating it? Does the Earth crash into the Sun? Do dogs and cats, well you know.

  35. Re:T.R. Roosevelt... by B'Trey · · Score: 1

    You're badly mistaken. The new phrase isn't "Speak softly and carry a big rubber stick." It's "Speak loudly as hell ('cause then nobody'll notice that you're lying) and lay about wildly with a great big stick (and make no plans for picking up the pieces afterwards)."

    --

    "The legitimate powers of government extend only to such acts as are injurious to others." Thomas Jefferson.

  36. Re:you f4il it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone! Don't click the link! It is just some disgusting image.

  37. the set of all sets; by weierstrass · · Score: 1

    many sets include themselves:
    they obviously have to be infinite though.

    the set of all sets is a set.
    the set of all things which are not teaspoons is also not a teaspoon.

    --
    my password really is 'stinkypants'
    1. Re:the set of all sets; by 2short · · Score: 1

      "many sets include themselves:
      they obviously have to be infinite though."

      Not at all; Let the set A contain all things which are either the teaspoon sitting on the corner of my desk, or are sets that do not contain anything that is not themselves or the teaspoon sitting on the corner of my desk. A contains itself, but is not infinite.
      There are probably less silly examples.

    2. Re:the set of all sets; by geeber · · Score: 1

      sets that do not contain anything that is not themselves

      That is a bit like the old one about the guy who says he always lies. What is something that is not itself?

    3. Re:the set of all sets; by Duckspeak · · Score: 0

      Those are so not sets. ("...there is no set of all sets...") The reason you can't just define collections to be sets all willy-nilly is that if you could, you could define the set of all sets that don't contain themselves--does it contain itself? It is true that there are sets that contain themselves. It is true that they have to be infinite.

    4. Re:the set of all sets; by Duckspeak · · Score: 0

      Yikes! No, that last sentence was supposed to be "It is not true that they have to be infinite." A set can contain itself and nothing else, natch.

    5. Re:the set of all sets; by Duckspeak · · Score: 0

      After some research I must ashamedly admit that it is actually impossible for a set to contain itself. This is actually an axiom of set theory, which explains why I couldn't prove it from the ones I knew... I'll stop now.

    6. Re:the set of all sets; by 2short · · Score: 1


      No. The set I am describing does not contain anything that is not itself or the teaspoon on the corner of my desk. Therefore, the moon is not in the set; you are not in the set; the number 5 is not in the set. There is nothing in the set except itself and the teaspoon.

    7. Re:the set of all sets; by lord_nimula · · Score: 1
    8. Re:the set of all sets; by geeber · · Score: 1

      No. The set I am describing does not contain anything that is not itself or the teaspoon on the corner of my desk. Therefore, the moon is not in the set; you are not in the set; the number 5 is not in the set. There is nothing in the set except itself and the teaspoon.

      I see. Does that mean the set also does not contain things with a sense of humor?

    9. Re:the set of all sets; by 2short · · Score: 1

      The properties of the set itself are well defined, and it does not have a sense of humor; as to the teaspoon, we can only speculate.

      Your post indicated a misunderstanding of the admittedly confusing language of my original post, so I sought to clarify. If you actually understood perfectly, and pretending to misinterpret stupid set-theory examples is just your idea of funny, than I apologize for having implied otherwise, and you need to get out more.

    10. Re:the set of all sets; by geeber · · Score: 1

      In general I am amused by language that is ambiguous and can be read in multiple ways.

      I was also intrigued by the notion of a thing that is not itself.

      But you are correct, I probably do need to get out more.

    11. Re:the set of all sets; by weierstrass · · Score: 1

      but not every set is an element of itself

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      my password really is 'stinkypants'
  38. Is the Internet the culprit or a victim? by ajnsue · · Score: 1

    Media built out of apparently random pieces of information - often non-original that are assembled to create a whole new experience... that occurred before the internet Sampled Music - RAP, Hip Hop, etc... Music Videos - every one ever made non-linear film plots - Citizen Kane, Pulp Fiction... Chicken Soup for the the XXXX part NNN

  39. My thoughts on this by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    "The Book of Lists" by David Wallechinsky and Amy Wallace.

    "Eyeless in Gaza" by Aldous Huxley.

    "Trout Fishing in America" by Richard Brautigan.

    1. Re:My thoughts on this by Interesting+Perhaps · · Score: 1
      " Your Private Sky " by R. Buckminster Fuller, published posthumously.

      It's the geekiest book I've ever seen! Sr0t of a 20th century Leonardo daVinci. From a review:

      Your Private Sky presents an overview of all facets of Fuller's career, as an architect, a navigator, an inventor, an automobile designer, an editor, a cartographer, an formidible diarist. The editors have done an admirable job of selecting sections from Fuller's own writings and works and arranging them for the reader. One of the chief assets of this book is that it is overwhelmingly graphic. There is not a single page without a photo, a sketch, reproduction of a printed page...

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      {Videbat esse notitia bona id temporis}
  40. Re:T.R. Roosevelt... by Timex · · Score: 1

    ....but if you're Jack Nicholson, it's more like, "Speak loudly and swing a golf club at everyone that gets in your way."

    Whatever. Everyone has their thing.

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  41. Re:T.R. Roosevelt... by EvilNebby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Speak when you're called on and ask the other countries if its okay if you use your fluffy rubber stick somewhere if you're really careful and get back home before dark. Then give out a few loans to countries that won't pay them back.

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    --- Nebulous
  42. Re:T.R. Roosevelt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    w00t!!!11!!! Thats my new motto. Tomorrow I'm going to run downtown screaming to the top of my lungs while randomly hitting things with a nice aluminum bat....

  43. Re:[pg down] by ericcantona · · Score: 0
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  44. Complete Sentences by balon · · Score: 1

    > Long ago, professional writers like John Hodgman included narrative arcs and
    > well-wrought plotlines with their books. Perhaps we don't need them any more.
    > Maybe the Internet has changed our brain and made us happy to graze from the
    > bar without the need of a sitdown meal. To put on my PROFESSIONAL POSTER hat,
    > I think that the Internet has made us accustomed to getting our stuff in
    > loosely joined pieces.

    Am I now Old School, then, because I like reading someone who can spell and finish sentences? Don't need plotlines and narrative arcs? I'm not in that "we", sir. This sounds like a particular kind of book, not a harbinger of all that will come. I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy this book, because I probably would, I'm just saying I'd enjoy it for what it is: an idiosyncratic collection of drivel to read in bits and pieces while getting rid of shits and feces (and no one will ever pardon me for that, but I'm okay because I still like me).

    The Internet may allow the idiots to be louder now, but the smart folk can still tell the difference. I'm not the brightest cookie in the tool shed, but I'll go for the sitdown meal every time.

    ---Bruce

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    There was this frog once, taught me everything I knew. I've learned this since: never listen to frogs that speak.
  45. Schott's Original Miscellany by PaschalNee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Similar effort - a book full of stuff

  46. Re:T.R. Roosevelt... by heatdeath · · Score: 1

    You missed the joke. It said first draft.

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  47. Hey by MemeRot · · Score: 1

    I'm a spelling nazi, not a grammar nazi :)

  48. SO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what the hell is the book about?

  49. Re:[pg down] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moron.

  50. Mr. Hodgman of the Little Gray Book Lecture Series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    John Hodgman, in addition to being a professional writer, has long been known as a former professional literary agent, whose twelve part series of f-p-l-agent "advice" can be found at mcsweeney's internet thing. But Hodgman is even better doing his schtick as host/purveyor of the Little Gray Book Lecture Series, live in NYC or via "podcasts," which as far as I can tell are just mp3s. The Lecture Series installment on D&D was especially good ("we cast a spell of illumination. we proceed with caution"); a partial "podcast" available here. He seems to be an all around nice guy, and talented enough to inspire envy.

  51. Re:[pg down] by thre5her · · Score: 1

    Except your post doesn't count as irony; merely wit.

  52. Link Orgy. by Errandboy+of+Doom · · Score: 1

    As referenced: On Boing Boing!,
    mentioning the 700 hobo names,
    which were recorded with geek-folk-copyleft-rocker Jonathan Coulton,
    as can be heard here,
    or seen illustrated by a number of independent artists via Flickr,
    and as was also mentioned with great humor on November 16th's Daily Show with Jon Stewart.

    1. Re:Link Orgy. by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      Hobo names are really that weird. Check out

      http://www.geocities.com/hobotramp/HoboRollCall.ht ml

      a list of hoboes which have "caught the westwards" if you can guess what that means...

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  53. Citations and long words don't imply reasoning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Analysing your post for some basic logical structure containing premises, inferences, and conclusions, I conclude that you've just pasted a load of tosh.

    I assume it was a made-up, anti-reasoning piece created as a joke.