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Microsoft Testing Its Own 'Google Base'

sheasie! writes "eWeek is reporting that Microsoft is readying an online marketplace, code-named Fremont, which is apparently in response to a similar feature that rival Google Inc. introduced a few weeks ago." From the article: "The software giant will enhance the Fremont listings with localized maps, and make them available through Microsoft's newly revamped Internet portal, now known as Live.com, according to the company."

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  1. But... by tobybuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless I can type www.google.com to get there is has no hope ;)

    1. Re:But... by mmmiiikkkeee · · Score: 2, Funny

      you can get to any thing from www.google.com.... trust me just google it... you'll see

    2. Re:But... by Scratched · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Googles already ridiculously low income-stream That ridiculously low income stream makes up aproximately 95% of google's multi-billion dollar income. I may be off on that statistic, but it isn't far from the truth. If you label a company by what makes them the most money, they are an advertising company first and a search engine second.

    3. Re:But... by sloths · · Score: 2

      If you label a company

      Yeah, it's not like you can folder a company.

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  2. When is this going to end? by Pranjal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft seems to be blindly copying whatever is coming out of Google these days.

    1. Re:When is this going to end? by tehshen · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, both of these things (Base and now Fremont) seem more like everything2 than anything else.

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    2. Re:When is this going to end? by mmmiiikkkeee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      i am sure blindly is not exactly there aproach to..... aww hell the have bilions what am i saying... if i had billions i am sure it would be cheaper/easyer/lowerrisk to have someone else start off a good idea then just copy or take/buy it from them.

    3. Re:When is this going to end? by BarryNorton · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed, Google Base is like everything2, but aren't you taking it to much for granted that Fremont is a 'Google Base killer'?

        Despite eWeek's headline and speculation, what Microsoft have actually said - 'online marketplace', 'localised listings and maps' - doesn't really make it sound like everything2, but rather like a hopeful 'Craigslist killer' (with an eye on eBay)...

    4. Re:When is this going to end? by lancejjj · · Score: 2, Funny

      Microsoft seems to be blindly copying whatever is coming out of Google these days.

      With that kind of attitude, your resume must be pretty weak:
                "I copied a bunch of ideas and software from others in hopes of looking bright".

      You should "MicroSofterize" yourself. Then your resume can read:
                "I developed and patented innovative software systems for the betterment of mankind".

    5. Re:When is this going to end? by LaughingCoder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Come on! If they are coming out with it a few weeks after Google, don't you think they had it in the works for a long time. In fact, given Microsoft's size and slowness, most likely Google copied Microsoft on this one -- they just finished first.

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    6. Re:When is this going to end? by tpgp · · Score: 2, Informative

      Erm,

      I think that they're copying these guys - I hope they have good lawyers. Because they're about to get sued by MS!

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    7. Re:When is this going to end? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Funny
      Microsoft seems to be blindly copying whatever is coming out of Google these days.

      Wait for me, I am the leader!

    8. Re:When is this going to end? by Stakesauce · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a Fremont in Seattle WA just like Whitbey is an island. Most of their codenames come from local place names in Washington. Why you were rated informative is beyond me, you insensitive California-centered clod. smilie

  3. Competition is good by cytoman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is good, because this creates a competition between two companies which are both strong...no chance of Microsoft swallowing up a smaller company and becoming a monopoly in this case...

    I hope this brings out the best value for the consumers.

    1. Re:Competition is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I hope this brings out the best value for the consumers.

      • More likely it will produce incompatibilities between the different systems.
      • cause confusion for users / consumers
      • And, we'll be left with fanboys screaming the greatest of the system they use
  4. Microsoft don't innovate by wallyhall · · Score: 3, Funny

    They just copy good ideas (TM).

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  5. All Your Access 97 Are Belong to US by rich42 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e14'

    [Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Invalid SQL statement; expected 'DELETE', 'INSERT', 'PROCEDURE', 'SELECT', or 'UPDATE'.

  6. Microwho? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    That bunch of criminals who once held the defacto monopoly on desktop OS's and office productivity? I thought people got wise to those losers in the first decade of the 21st century?

    Oh damn, I just blew my cover again. The temporal overlords are probably going to send me to the 23rd century this time. Bastards!

  7. Marketplace? by Solokron · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fremont is a district of Seattle here. It is more so known for its eclectic people than marketplace so I find it an interesting choice for a name. Check out the myths section @ http://www.fremont.com/

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    1. Re:Marketplace? by Frankie70 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fremont is a district of Seattle here.
      This is probably a code name which will change before release.

      Other such code names are Whidbey for Visual Studio 8.0
      Everett for Visual Studio 7.1
      Orcas - next release of Visual Studio.

      All of these are places in Washington state.

  8. how are you gentlemen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    all your base are belong to MS :/

  9. Microsoft Access... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    ERROR 3260: Couldn't update; currently locked by user GOOGLE on machine INTERNET."

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  10. Microsoft's Craigslist by BarryNorton · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually this is not so similar to Google Base, but a more direct (and small-thinking) rip off of Craigslist, as far as I can see. There is the similarity that Microsoft also have a search engine to directly map over this data, but eWeek are going much too far (also in http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1877217,00.as p, linked) in ignoring the fundamental differences between a community listing site, an auction site (where the role of the provider is much more hands-on) and the need for Google to get their engine to work with sites dynamically generated from a back-end database...

  11. Microsoft vs .... by jesusfingchrist · · Score: 2, Funny

    Round 3212
    Microsoft VS The World

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  12. That's a change by intmainvoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It used to be that companies had to jump everytime Microsoft announced an initiative, dumping cash into project that at best would have them keeping up with Microsoft. Interesting that Microsoft is being forced to do the same now when Google moves - probably only because they're one of the few innovative compeitors that Microsoft can't just buy.

  13. Good Home Wanted by FishandChips · · Score: 4, Funny

    Good Home Wanted: for our beloved bulldog, slightly overweight, mildly arthritic, not good with other dogs or anyone with long hair, attacks communists on sight (hence heart condition) but loyal to right owners. Will dance for you if fed fillet mignon. Answers to name Ballmero. Please please help as we are desperate to relocate him.

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  14. Microsoft invests heavily in google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Today a leaked Microsoft memo confirms that aiming to become a market leader in the google field, is now the IT giants number one priority. Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates was quoted as saying "When someone wants to know something, and someone else says, just google the internet for it, we want the first address they think of to be search.msn.com". Analysts predict that this heavy investment in the field of web googling will pay big dividends for the company. Furthermore should the company achieve its targets, Microsoft's history of dominating other industries might mean that in the future, when you are confronted with facts that don't seem quite right, blind ignorance, or a compulsive drive to outperform your rivals in meaningless fact gathering activities, your first instinct will be to "just Microsoft it".

  15. Microsoft innovates again.. by MosesJones · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Its amazing just how innovative that Microsoft is these days. I mean just look at what they produce for the (allegedly) huge R&D budget they have. They've got TABS in a browser (unbelivable) and now they are either ripping off GoogleBase or CraigsList depending on how you read it.

    Its great being a monopoly, you never have to innovate, just leverage your position to copy other people's good ideas.

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    1. Re:Microsoft innovates again.. by ceeam · · Score: 5, Funny

      R&D here stands for "Rape and Destroy"?

  16. But this doesn't add up by iamvego · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft claimed that protecting intellectual property encouraged innovation, in other words they don't want people copying them because they feel copying is detrimental to being innovative. If this is the case, why is it they have suddenly come up with an equivalent of the open document standard, added tabs to their new Internet Explorer, copied Google's search features to the letter, and now copying Google's other offerings (satellite maps, online books and directories). I'm not really against them improving their services, merely that in doing so it goes against what they seem to campaign for. Microsoft now just seems to be a huge company, with huge resources and huge finances and clone anything that makes money. Where's their leadership in innovation now?

    1. Re:But this doesn't add up by delus10n0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Regarding tabs, are you going to apply this same thinking to FireFox stealing "tabs" from Opera? Are you going to get upset over Opera stealing "tabs" from Microsoft's common controls? :)

      You also must not be aware that Microsoft has been in the web-based satellite imagery business for quite some time (search for Terraserver..) -- they have also had mapping capabilities before Google (see MSN Maps, MapBlast)

      Give me a break.

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  17. Here's an idea by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny

    With Microsoft copying Google's every single move, it makes me wish that Google would go out of business and join a monastary. Balmer's already got the haircut and everything...

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  18. We need an open source implementation by OpCode42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's call it "Freebase"

  19. Desperation by OwlWhacker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not just google, it's any successful market that relies on technology.

    It's called 'playing catch-up'.

    Microsoft's business model is failing, and rather than wasting precious time figuring out what new things it can do, it needs to quickly copy other successful businesses, and preferably kill them off (as usual) by leveraging its monopoly.

    1. Re:Desperation by courtarro · · Score: 2, Informative
      Microsoft's business model is failing, and rather than wasting precious time figuring out what new things it can do, it needs to quickly copy other successful businesses, and preferably kill them off (as usual) by leveraging its monopoly.

      I think you're contradicting yourself in that one sentence. Copying other businesses and leveraging its monopoly is their business model. MS really hasn't come up with anything significant on their own; their success comes from seeing the potential in other people's/companies' work, making it slightly different, and marketing the crap out of it until they own the market. On the other hand, you're seeing how Google is acting the exact same way but with a new speed, as well as a sort of Apple-customer loyalty that MS has never enjoyed, which allows them to get away with barely marketing anything at all. Google is constantly developing novel ideas, often through buyouts, and I'd say they're beating MS in their own game by being more agile. MS is the new IBM, the monolith that can't move quickly enough, and Google is the new MS, darting around under their feet stealing all the new employees and ideas.

    2. Re:Desperation by OwlWhacker · · Score: 2

      I recognize that Microsoft is a business -- so I don't really fault them for it.

      No, you can't really fault Microsoft for following successful businesses, the fault is purely down to Microsoft basing everything around its failing business model.

      Microsoft allowed itself to slip into a position where it sat back and raked in the profits; then, when competition came along, and people were reluctant to upgrade for a few meagre benefits and some eye-candy, it had to get up quickly and work double-hard. Also, due to Windows not being designed with security in mind (Microsoft's words, not mine), Microsoft has had to waste more precious time trying to make Windows more secure, something that Paul Thurrott still sees as being far behind Linux/Unix.

      Furthermore, I find fault with Microsoft performing its bundling act in order to ensure its success.

      Microsoft is in control of Windows, and can integrate MSN search, and any other Web services, directly into Windows.

      Microsoft can bundle its own anti-virus and spyware checking into Windows.

      Microsoft can bundle its own accounting software with Microsoft office.

      This gives people more of an incentive to upgrade Windows and Office, Microsoft's cash-cows, and harms the other businesses offering this software.

      If anybody is successful in any technology market, watch out, Microsoft may come along and siphon off your income!

  20. Name one? by MosesJones · · Score: 4, Insightful


    I struggling to think of a single time that companies had to "jump" to keep up with Microsoft due to a new MS iniative...

    The internet... nope last there
    Enterprise Software... nope last there
    Spreadsheets, Wordprocessors... nope last there
    Multi-tasking operating system... nope last there
    Games Console... nope last there
    Mobile Phone OS... nope last there
    Desktop Search... nope last there
    etc etc etc

    Microsoft has NEVER dictated the direction of the market, its just leveraged a monopoly position to successfully copy other people's strategies and dominate in that segment.

    The only place where MS are seen to lead is in marketing, where they announce the week after another company has done something that Microsoft will be doing that "any day now"... 2 years later you may still be waiting.

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    1. Re:Name one? by SerpentMage · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, Office... Microsoft was the first to bundle everything for the Windows desktop and create a single "application". That helped Microsoft immensely because at the time people liked the fact that they could share content using cut/copy/paste. With respect to the other "last" there, they are not the dominate player, with the exception being the Internet Explorer.

      The monopoly for Microsoft is not Windows, but Office! Office keeps a good many people on Windows. I know that I don't use Linux because of Office (need Office for my daily work, and therefore bought an OSX box). OpenOffice is not a solution for more complicated documents that have automation, stylesheets, and versioning.

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  21. Not exactly by earthstar · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Microsoft seems to be blindly copying whatever is coming out of Google these days.

    Neither is Google innovating everything....only, google is buying out new technology instead of developing from scratch [ eg:keyhole,orkut etc].
    And just because someone follows on , doesnt mean they cant succeed. Apple's ipod was not the first mp3 player,was it?
  22. Re:what exactly is everything2 by oever · · Score: 2, Informative

    Everything is an information management system, using a combination MySQL and Perl to create a flexible system of entering, linking, and retrieving information.

    source

    Sounds unlike googlebase to me.

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  23. Boogle or Bill's List? by digitaldc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fremont is just the beta name, Boogle or Bill's List will be the new name.

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  24. What do you mean "these days" by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft have always simply followed the market.

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  25. Microsoft throw money at their problems by iamvego · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google didn't become famous because of some multi-million dollar marketing campaign. Nor did they aim to destroy other search engines. It's assumed that the public came up with the term Googling, and yet despite their quietness, their quality of service spoke volumes. So loud was this boom that it rippled through the entire online community so that everyone has heard of them in a very short period of time. They didn't bribe other companies to work with them, they gave millions to worthy causes, and have a committment to running an ethical business, where shareholders take a back seat. Microsoft have had a search engine for ages, covered with advertisements and cluttered menus. They stripped this down after Google came along, threw hundreds of millions of dollars all over the world to get people to use their site, and co-incidently ended up using the same on-page advertising style as Google. Their search engine was slower, had less results, and the results you did get were less relevent. Their aim wasn't to provide a high quality and innovative service which would constantly evolve, it was to take the market from Google and put the profits in their shareholder's pockets. They would only innovate if they were forced to as part of a project to increase revenue, some of which would only go to a worthy cause if they could get enough publicity from it (i.e. it's just another PR exercise). So, to summarise, Google tinker away challenging themselves and keep relatively quiet about it. Microsoft beaver away throwing armies of developers and marketing campaigns at their service while quietly ripping off anything they can find. Microsoft don't challenge themselves, they become challenged by others. They have no will to improve themselves without threat from others taking over a lucrative market. What I've said isn't exactly insightful, it's just commentating on what appears to be happening.

  26. Let's see by everphilski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    recent Internet-based innovations (read: Google rip-offs)

    OK, this is perhaps a Google ripoff. But let's look at the rest of the list. Google maps: Rip off of Terraserver (a Microsoft product). Google Home: start.com (a Microsoft product) predates it Google News: msnbc news predates it. MSN messenger predated Google's IM client. So besides this item; I fail to see where Microsoft is 'ripping off Google.' Enlighten us, please.

    -everphilski-

  27. Good for Google by bmh129 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Google rocks!

  28. Tabs weren't invented by Firefox. by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm surprised that people even find browser tabs an "innovation" no matter who put them in a browser first. Tabbed documents within an application is a very old concept. Windows 3.1 apps had tabbed documents.

    Why do the Firefox people claim that Tabs are all the rage? Is that the pinnacle of Firefox innovation or something?