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conq writes "BusinessWeek has an interesting blog entry on Apple's 'iPod Express table', where they streamline the sale of iPods in their store. From the article: 'But the best part was that the Apple Geniuses behind the table had wireless gizmos for scanning credit cards, and Apple had worked out a totally wireless, paperless checkout process, called EasyPay. Once scanned, they advise you that the receipt will be in your inbox within an hour (since I'm already a registered Apple customer, they didn't even need to take my email or other information).'"

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  1. Can't they just guess by oc-beta · · Score: 5, Funny

    That I want to order one, and ship it too me? 1984 style!

    1. Re:Can't they just guess by penguin_asylum · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That'd be double plus ungood.

      I see how this is an interesting concept, and maybe leaves you with a warm fuzzy feeling inside, but unless an ipod is the type of thing you buy every couple of days on a whim, it doesn't seem that useful...

      the most you're probably going to get is one a year; you really don't need everything to be completely streamlined.

    2. Re:Can't they just guess by thelost · · Score: 2, Funny

      you're blow up doll is on the way sir. double plus good!

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    3. Re:Can't they just guess by marc_gerges · · Score: 3, Insightful
      the most you're probably going to get is one a year; you really don't need everything to be completely streamlined.

      Apple plans to sell considerably more than one a year, so they may be very pleased with everything being completely streamlined.

      Obviously I haven't read the article, but I wonder how good an emailed receipt is - will my spam filter trash it, can I use it to declare theft with my insurance company etc.

      I'm spending my days helping people getting their transactions and processes optimized with the help of computer systems, so I admire this concept. But there's the old saying about paperless offices making about as much sense as paperless toilets...

  2. Sing it with me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Do you have concerns
    For your privacy
    In this modern age
    Of technology?
    With corporations
    Buying your souls?
    Well push those worries in a deep dark hole!

    Cause Apple's doin it, and they're okay
    They'll treat your information right every day
    Yeah, Apple's doin it, so it can't be wrong
    And that's the end of my stupid song.

    1. Re:Sing it with me by imadork · · Score: 5, Funny

      This song sounds great! Is it on iTunes?

  3. Bah by Golias · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Apple had worked out a totally wireless, paperless checkout process, called EasyPay.

    You know what's easy? I hand you money, you hand me the product and receipt. If you want my personal information, buy it. Wouldn't it be great if we all went back to that sort of system?

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    1. Re:Bah by CokeBear · · Score: 5, Informative
      You still have that option. Just walk to the back of the store with your wad of cash (try not to get mugged on the way) and you can happily pay in any denomination of legal tender. No personal information required.

      They are just trying to find a way to reduce the lineup at a busy time. Is that such a bad thing?

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    2. Re:Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      nah. whats bad is i bought an iPod service agreement using this 2 months ago and still haven't received my receipt. that was my attempt at saving trees. never again until they can prove that it actually works.

    3. Re:Bah by mbadolato · · Score: 4, Funny

      It was like *beep beep beep* and like, my money was gone!

    4. Re:Bah by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you don't like the way that they do business, just fuck right off out of the store. You don't have to be there in the first fucking place! Nobody will give a shit, least of all Apple, but you can feel like you've made your stand if you really want to.

      What's all this about making a stand?

      I was just expressing an opinion. Gosh, sorry if my annoyance with Apple's check-out procedures challenged your religion or something.

      I'll never complain about anything ever again, no matter how asinine it is, especially where Apple retail outlets are concerned. Will that make you happy? Can I go back to having a right to exist again?

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    5. Re:Bah by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 2, Funny

      What will be bad is when the information flows for those two systems get crossed.

      You'll go through the booth, a cop will pull you over and demand you get off the freeway, but he'll hand you your new iPod. Probably with C. W. McCall's "4 Wheel Drive" already installed.

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    6. Re:Bah by eclectic4 · · Score: 5, Informative

      "If you want my personal information, buy it."

      Apple uses your information for two things... to find out where to put new stores via your zip code, and to make any future service for your product seamless. You walk into a store to see a Genius (free personal tech support! Holy shitballs!), they scan the serial number. Done. They know when you purchased your product (no need for a receipt to prove warranty!), and they know your name and phone number to call you when service is done. It is never sold to anyone else, it's merely for Apple to provide better customer service, period. Not sure why these are considered "bad", but I suppose we are all entitled to our opinions...

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  4. Apple Stores by mysqlrocks · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apple Stores seem to always get it right in general. I'm talking about the official Apple Stores here. For example, my partner had to get a minor problem fixed on his PowerBook. He showed up at the Genius Bar, they took it apart in front of us, fixed the problem, and we went on our way. They never once asked for a receipt or any other form of identification. No hassles at all, no proof of warranty, nothing.

    1. Re:Apple Stores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Good luck trying to do that at any of the large populus Apple stores like SoHo in NYC. The Genius Bar is booked all day, forcing you to make an appointment online in advance.

    2. Re:Apple Stores by Golias · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Those days are gone, though. The Genius Bar proved popular enough that they needed to create an electronic queue, so now when you want their help, you must first sign up for a spot in line on a web browser using... your Apple ID.

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    3. Re:Apple Stores by tpgp · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Apple Stores seem to always get it right in general. I'm talking about the official Apple Stores here.

      Hmmmn,

      I think maybe that the Ipod Express tables did not work out quite as well as expected
      the iPod Express purchase counters were marginally implemented, while the portable check-out devices rated even lower on a useability scale.
      Sounds like these are about as user-friendly as quicktime is (if you want to use other media players as well)

      As plenty of others in this thread have pointed out, the genius bars (god what a horrible name) are no longer as fast or friendly as your rose-tinted memories.
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    4. Re:Apple Stores by pomo+monster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apple's opening two more stores in Manhattan this year (2006), one in midtown opposite Empire State, another on Fifth Ave at the GM Plaza. Hopefully that'll alleviate some of the crush.

  5. streamline? by engagebot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I will say i've never been in a brick-and-mortar apple store (not one in my area), but is it really cumbersome enough trying to buy something from them that they need a specific 'express lane' for buying ipods?

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    1. Re:streamline? by Sentry21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I went to Toronto (actually Yorkdale) for a conference this past September, and I arrived in town at my hotel room at about 11 PM on a Tuesday. Bored stiff since no one else I knew was in town yet, I went across the street to get a latte at the Yorkdale shopping centre, in which, to my great joy, I discovered an Apple store.

      As I said, it was before noon on a Tuesday, and the mall was dead. I probably saw less than a hundred customers wandering around the mall, and for the size of the place, that's not much... except for the Apple store. The Apple store alone probably had about fifty people in it, which was above the comfortable maximum for that size of store. It was the single busiest place in the mall as far as I could tell, and that was impressive.

      So yes, Apple stores really *are* that busy, and if you've seen lineups at Christmas in any other stores (e.g. Electronics Boutique), then you'll understand how bad it can really be.

  6. Security of CC number by ibennetch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So how secure is the encryption? I'm not sure I want my credit card number floating around in the clear, and while I imagine Apple did it right, the article mentions that he thinks this should be the future of all business transactions. I don't trust the local mom&pop bookstore to have their encryption together. On the other hand, if it's going to be some black-box solution that's actually set up right out of the box, it's kind of idiot proof, no?

    The idea of having no reciept until I get home doesn't bother me, although what happens if they enter the email address wrong for new customers? A mis-type of the associate and all of a sudden you can't return your new toy if it doesn't work?

    1. Re:Security of CC number by BreadMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >> I'm not sure I want my credit card number floating around in the clear

      Hand it to the waiter, and you have your card with all of the security numbers printed thereon in the clear. I'm not defending Apple's system, just pointing out that parties interested in getting your credit card information can do so with better fidelity and ease than attempting to break into a POS (point of sale) system.

  7. Hackable? by OctoberSky · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "since I'm already a registered Apple customer, they didn't even need to take my email or other information"

    But I am sure the guy who cracks their wireless encryption will love it when he gets your email and other information... along with your credit card numbers.

    But seriously, "all paperless" that can't be good. I might be old school but I like a papertrail when giving someone my money.

    1. Re:Hackable? by DECS · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, panic because WPA might be snooped, recorded and the encryption hammered off at an off site super computer by a l33t haxxor.

      Or you can panic because, for the last 40 years, paper copies of your credit card transactions, with your signature, card number, exp date and purchase details, have always been available to the legions of underpaid service people who handle your retail/resturant/telephone purchases. Carbon copies were often left in the trash.

      Seriously, if you think introducing wireless technology to the credit card transaction is opening things up for fraud, you are seriously shroomin. It's already fantastically easy to obtain your information.

      But it is entertaining to hear such panic mongering from someone who has undoubtedly made telephone credit card purchases, and we all know how secure the POTS network is.

    2. Re:Hackable? by elgatozorbas · · Score: 2, Insightful
      But it is entertaining to hear such panic mongering from someone who has undoubtedly made telephone credit card purchases, and we all know how secure the POTS network is.

      You seem to be quite confident in your assumptions about a person you have probably never met before.

      I understand him completely and would rather not see my personal info emerging everywhere, being transmitted wirelessly and especially, if I make a purchase, I would like it to end then and there: pay in cash (or electronically, so be it), but DON'T promise to send me e-mails afterwards, because if you don't, I can't prove anything. I would rather not rely on _whatever_ should happen after I leave the store.

    3. Re:Hackable? by adpowers · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My mom ordered something from a small Mom & Pop store in the midwest somewhere. The packaging consisted of shredding from their office paper. I was shuffling through it and managed to piece together 3/4 of a receipt with credit car number and signature on it before I got bored. I think having small stores (or big ones) use a pre-packaged credit card processing system with no paper would be a step up in many cases.

      Andrew

  8. That's the way to do it!! by Aaron32 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's great to see that someone is finally doing it right!

    The key to success is to make it extremely easy for your customers to do business with you. Get 'em in, get what they need, and check 'em out. Happy customers = high profits.

    I am very impatient when it comes to poor customer service. I have walked across the street to another electronics store when some stupid clerk said "Uh, only one guy has the key to the hard drive cabinet, and he's not around right now."

    See ya... taking my business elsewhere then.

  9. Never got a receipt. watch out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I purchased a 4gb nano from the apple store here in San Diego (Fashion Valley). Quick, Easy, and paperless. Problem is that I never received a receipt via email. Be sure that they READ BACK your email address if you go this route.

  10. Hell of an idea. by shadowkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Make it so someone picks one up, and is checked out and gone within a few minutes. Less time for them to be standing there thinking about the purchase, therefore more likely for them to make the buy on an impulse.

  11. Pay no attention by MECC · · Score: 4, Funny


    Pay no attention to that van across the street with the dish pointed at your store....

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  12. Not so new by cvd6262 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple Geniuses behind the table had wireless gizmos for scanning credit cards

    WOW! Re-vo-lu-tion! You mean like the ones waiters in Europe have been using for *ages*?

    It's actually kind of nice because they do not take your credit card back to the register. They swipe it at your table and hand it back to you.

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    1. Re:Not so new by vandoravp · · Score: 2, Informative

      At the Apple store near me it looks like you sign on a touch sensitive screen instead of a physical reciept both in the front and at the iPod table.

    2. Re:Not so new by User+956 · · Score: 2, Funny

      WOW! Re-vo-lu-tion! You mean like the ones waiters in Europe have been using for *ages*? It's actually kind of nice because they do not take your credit card back to the register. They swipe it at your table and hand it back to you.

      What's even funnier is that those "wireless gizmos for scanning credit cards" are powered by a version of Windows CE. So, apparently, Apple's retail "revolution" is brought to you by the Microsoft corporation.

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    3. Re:Not so new by nicklott · · Score: 2, Informative
      Well, the UK they call it "Chip & PIN" and in New Zealand (where they've had this and wireless card readers for years) it's called EFTPOS. It's also probably got a different name in every country in Europe cos they all have it. It's just a card payment system where you put a PIN number in instead of signing the paper. Pretty simple.

      However, I doubt apple have rewritten the credit card company's rules to introduce this system into the US, so they're probably just getting people to sign those little gidgets that the couriers use (here in the 1st world anyway)

    4. Re:Not so new by njh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, is that all they're talking about?! The US seems about 20 years behind when it comes to money related technologies... They probably still use cheques too!

    5. Re:Not so new by droleary · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that I already have a PC that is faster than the iMac. Even if I didn't, it would be a lot cheaper to upgrade it (new MB, CPU and RAM), than buy an Apple product.

      So what? The issue you raised is not one of tricking out an old PC, but buying a new computer from a system builder. It doesn't matter if that builder is Dell or Apple, you were the one who mistakenly thought an entry-level machine would suit the needs of a movie production studio (however amateur your home movies might be :-).

      The question has to do with the software - the iMac comes with sw that has good reviews. I'm willing to pay extra for a turn key experience, but not $1000+ for conventional video editing.

      Nothing about video editing is very conventional as of yet. I'd say maybe in 5 years, but by then HD will be increasingly common and that means even more resources will be required to manipulate it, so maybe 10 years out is a better target for a budget system that does what you want. Come on, are you seriously bitching about a machine preferring over 512MB RAM when editing video? How fast do you expect the Mac mini's HD to be doing all that swapping? It's like you're blaming Apple because you have absolutely no concept of the amount of data you want to push around.

      With the exception of one person, they evidently figured I was a subhuman PC user from the start, so why waste time not getting the expected ritualistic acknowledgement of the self-annointed...

      You deserved it. You clearly came in convinced in what you needed and refusing to accept that you could be wrong. Even in your telling of the story you come out looking like a prick, so I wager in the impartial version you were such a huge ass they couldn't wait to get out of the store. Don't blame Apple because you're intent on being a bad customer. They did the right thing and it is up to you to prove them wrong by buying a PC setup elsewhere that can do what you want for less money. Good luck with that.

  13. Jedi Mind Trick by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    > Apple had worked out a totally wireless, paperless checkout process, called EasyPay.

    Wireless sniffer software: free as in speech
    Pringles can: $1.59
    parking spot downtown: $6/h
    iPod: $100
    Rest of my Christmas shopping: priceless.

    > Once scanned, they advise you that the receipt will be in your inbox within an hour (since I'm already a registered Apple customer, they didn't even need to take my email or other information).

    Since I'm not already a registered Apple customer, any clerktrooper asking me for my email, snail address, or any other data not required to complete the transaction when I try to purchase products gets the old Jedi Mind Trick: you place an appropriate number of Federal Reserve Notes (or other bits of nicely-decorated paper) in your hand, wave your hand in front of the clerk, and you say "You don't need to see my identification".

    If it works, the clerktrooper realized they're more interested in the pretty paper in your hand than the toy - so you leave the paper behind and walk out with a shiny new toy.

    If it doesn't work, you keep the pretty paper and leave a confused clerktrooper holding the toy.

    It's a self-reinforcing system. The Empire demands that clerktroopers ask for identification -- but clerktroopers who follow orders and resist the Jedi Mind Trick ultimately find themselves scheduled for termination. The tighter the Imperial grip, the more sales slip through their fingers.

  14. Cumbersome isn't the issue by Elfich47 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was in a brick and mortar Apple store during the cristmas rush. Alot of people were just coming in for iPods. So anyone who wanted an ipod went to the ipod kisok in the apple store and were taken care of there. I saw two Customer Reps at the time and they were working through customers very fast. The line was 6-8 people deep but I would swear the wait was under ten minutes for any given people.
    Normally the Appple store in my area is fun to browse, wander thorugh and try things out. It was designed so people can browse without feeling crowded or harried. Converting one of the sidewall sections into a dedicated sales point for a high volume product makes perfect sense to me.
    Because of the ipod specific section, the rest of the store retained its charm and usefulness, i.e. there wasn't a swarm of people all over the store asking "Where do we get ipods" interfering with people who wanted to buy other things (computers, cameras, software, etc etc).
    Thought of another way: It was a clever form of crowd control to keep the store manageable.

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  15. Trackback now! by lpangelrob · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Speaking of anticipatory reactions...

    Sometimes it didn't work as well as advertised.

    But yes, they're going to tweak it and use it anyway.

    Was this present at all Apple Stores during the holiday season? I seem to have completely missed it.

  16. What is next by sterno · · Score: 2, Funny

    What's next will be that software will come with your computer even if you don't need it or want it. You'll pay for it when you pay for the computer, even if you don't need it. Oh... wait, nevermind, Microsoft beat them to that one.

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  17. Re:Amazing But True by Mean_Nishka · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can confirm for a fact that the devices are indeed windows. I had a similar conversation with the kid at my local Apple store who also confirmed the device was running Windows CE/Mobile (or whatever they call it these days). He did qualify his answer by saying the thing would lock up constantly :).

  18. This would make me nervous by Lxy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have a problem with leaving the store without a receipt. E-mail isn't the most reliable medium ever, and a simple mistype in your e-mail address means you don't get the receipt for your product.

    There are other ways of verifying purchase, but nothing beats having a paper receipt when returning/exchanging items. Especially if it's a gift for someone.

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    1. Re:This would make me nervous by ProZachar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's also the problem of store security. If the cashier fails to deactivate any anti-shoplifting devices and I trigger them as I walk out of the store, how am I supposed to prove that I paid for it?

      That's why I always get a paper receipt when I pay-at-the-pump for gasoline.

    2. Re:This would make me nervous by borkus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, many retailers can retrieve an order by credit card. While doing so isn't as secure for the retailer as a physical receipt, it does mean that the retailer can exchange a faulty product without holding the customer to task for losing a tiny piece of paper. Since a customer making a return or exchange is probably unhappy, executing the transaction quickly and conveniently is very crucial.

    3. Re:This would make me nervous by bahwi · · Score: 4, Informative

      It was optional. Cash registers are still located at the back of the store.

      There ya go, everything you want(paper receipt, status enabling apple bag) and everything others want(faster checkout, little or no line).

  19. Re:Doesn't bother me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    I bought a doughnut and they gave me a receipt for the doughnut. I don't need a receipt for the doughnut. Man, I'll just give you money, then you give me the doughnut. End of transaction. We don't need to bring ink and paper into this. I just can't imagine a scenario where I would have to prove that I bought a doughnut. Some skeptical friend: "Don't even act like I didn't get that doughnut, I've got the documentation right here. Oh wait, it's at home, in the file... under D... for doughnut".

    -Mitch Hedberg

  20. this is all very off-topic. by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 3, Informative

    The 12-for-a-penny music services like BMG and Columbia House were still not a terrible deal, back in the day. Even with the overpricing and handling fees of 'regular price' discs, after your contractual obligations were out of the way it still only worked out to $7 or $8 per CD.

    The main drawback of the system, assuming you remembered to decline the club selection when you didn't want it each month, is the main drawback of iTunes Music Store and the like today: many popular acts are simply not available. Good luck finding The Beatles or Metallica anywhere but at your local brick-and-mortar CD store, for instance.

    1. Re:this is all very off-topic. by soupdevil · · Score: 3, Informative

      The real drawback of the system is that artists don't make a penny of royalties off of CD-club sales: it's considered a promotional album as opposed to a retail album. It's standard boilerplate on all label contracts. Which means if you're going to rip off the artists, download the album from Kazaa because it's actually a better for the artist. Labels use P2P traffic analysis to decide which artists get better budgets for promotions and music videos, which can make or break an album.

    2. Re:this is all very off-topic. by vought · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I thought we were still boycotting Metallica?

      Last I remember, the boycott starting during 2000 here on Slashdot. I don't recall an official "Metallica/Lars no longer sucks" campaign.

      Fuck Metallica!

    3. Re:this is all very off-topic. by nathanh · · Score: 2, Funny
      Sorry; my post was apparently a too-veiled attempt at irony for you. I didn't think Metallica was ever boycott-worthy.

      That was supposed to be irony? Who are you, Alanis Morissette?

  21. Re:Doesn't bother me by timster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Comedians, obviously, never file expense reports.

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  22. right.. by Politburo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Their newfangled system didn't work at the Apple store where I went. The guy with the credit card reader just stared at me, even after I asked him about product availability. Several staff members told me they were out of stock for a certain product, when in fact they were not out of stock (The guy behind me in line, who didn't talk to the floor staff, got the last one.. that sucked).

    And there were still fairly large lines. It wasn't that there were a ton of people there.. the transactions were slow because the cashiers had to explain the email service, then type in the email (if applicable), etc.

  23. My head a splode! by rickla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It shouldn't bother me but it still irritates me when I read articles about apple "inventing" something else. This isn't even apple's fault, it's just the odd fanbase they have. I am not sure what's different here. You pay with a credit card and get no paper receipt. That's better? And wireless, how does that help the customer? For all I know my local walmart's card reader is wireless, who knows, who cares? Anyway in my state (and most others) it would be illegal to make a sale without a paper receipt with the return policy also give out.

  24. Many folks missing the point by rabidlemur · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You don't have to use the EasyPay - it's an option. If you want to pay w/ cash, or split tender, or use a discount(education, company, etc.), then wait at the register. If you wanna by an ipod cable, ipod, or 1 small item, use the EasyPay and get 5 minutes of your life back. As far as reciepts go, if you must have a paper copy, you gotta wait. Deal. Heck, any apple product is registered when sold, so the reciept is more useful for returns, but unneeded for service. And yeah, the units are Symbol's running Windows Mobile. Sick sad world, neh? They're also using a standalone encrypted wireless network.

  25. actually, they do (sort of) by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Comedians write off EVERYTHING.
    Seriously, EVERYTHING,
    A feature comic (the middle act; you're anywhere from 2-10 years into comedy) makes around $15-23k a year gross. They write off a donut, their mileage, their shaving cream they bought on the road, everything. 1099 baby.
    The expense report is them reporting it to the IRS. The same purpose we have expense reports. (well, that and someone pays us back what we spent. Hooray for companies!)
    It could be one of the toughest and loneliest existences out there, the road comic. 50 weeks a year moving from town to town. Playing shitty gigs too, if you're a middle comic. No real "oomph" perhaps. Maybe a Premium Blend credit getting you into an A club or two.

    Put it this way: when Columbus, OH is considered a great gig (the Funny Bone) in your chosen industry, perhaps you've picked the wrong industry. OK if beer pong were an industry that would probably be based in Columbus, too. And technically LA is pretty nifty as well, and New York is different from the road comics too.

    take a deep breath, Bitter. Relax. Don't get carried away.

    I'm going to go mix a white russian. Telecommuting rules.

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  26. Put the shoe on the other foot for a minute. by MacDork · · Score: 2, Interesting
    But seriously, "all paperless" that can't be good. I might be old school but I like a papertrail when giving someone my money.

    Yeah, me too, but most Americans pay with credit cards these days. I prefer a paper trail too (cash) but most of my American customers live on debt. And if someone isn't who they say they are, guess who gets stuck with no merchandise and no money to pay for it. That's right... me, the merchant. What you are complaining about, ID theft, is what merchants call a chargeback. You, after much frustration and fighting, will eventually get your money back. I won't. You're complaining about the dangers of efficiency and convenience. IMO, you should be complaining about the dangers of an antiquated system of plastic cards and magnetic stripes that store important information in plain text.

    Yeah, I'd be happy as a lark doing it your way if everyone who came into my store plonked down greenbacks instead of gold cards. But that isn't reality. If privacy is your concern, your problem isn't the retailer, it's Choicepoint. The privacy argument is between you and your card company. You did, after all, give them your SSN to get that credit line. As for offering you cash customers (people who like paper trails as much as I do) preferential treatment and discounts, I'd love to. However part of the Visa/Mastercard duopoly's merchant policy is explicit: no preferential treatment to cash customers or you loose your merchant account. And since that's 90% of my business, I can't afford to do that. Otherwise, I'd be giving all my cash customers a 2% discount and a fast pass to the front of the line. Maybe when the average American decides it really is better to save and spend rather than spend and pay interest, things could be different.

    I'm not trying to be nasty here, but look at it from both sides for a minute and you'll see the problem is with the mediator (CC companies). Not providing a bulletproof paper trail from the shopper's end of the equation, yet expecting one from the merchant without any guarantees from the guy in the middle is a bit unfair and unrealistic.

  27. Re:Doesn't bother me by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 5, Funny

    if you're seriously worried about accidentally signing into the Apple store, activating 1-click purchasing, configuring a PowerMac, ordering it, and not cancelling the order... then just step away from your internets now and seek medical attention.

  28. iPod vending machine by ajwitte · · Score: 2, Informative
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  29. Re:Doesn't bother me by timster · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dude, where do you work? I thought every company was mired in soul-killing antiproductive bureaucracy.

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  30. Some tidbits... by OSXCPA · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. The Apple retail shop in Chicago uses this as a way to offer customers an 'opt out' of waiting in line, and you can buy anything, as long at its with a credit card.
    2. As a victim of identity theft, those tinfoil-hats who worry about wi-fi snooping - a far greater threat is the clerk at the super-discount tech store (cough) COMPUSA (cough) who simply takes the credit card receipt for your newly-purchased stack of blank CDs and pulls it from his/her drawer at clock-out time, then writes down the number and (if they are sharp) even the 'security code' from the back of the card. Then, they purchase $9,600 in video equipment and downloadable software from Avid and Sony, and even if Visa is right on them, the purchases are complete before the victim arrives home to find a "we detected unusual activity on your account..." message on his answering machine. Lose sleep over the 9 months it will take to get that mess straightened out. Oh, and guess what - the US attorneys office won't prosecute, not will the state or local cops. Even the store dropped the thing. I couldn't even trick the Visa people into telling me where some of the contraband was shipped to (they set up an alternate ship-to adress, thanks to a stupid Visa service operator, which is how Visa ultimately had to admit that *I* had not bought all that software and hardware and was just trying to dodge paying) so I could ask the cops to pay the thief a visit. It never occurred to them that a Mac/Linux/OpenBSD guy would have no use at all for Windows video-editing software. Damages under $10k are not worth going after, apparently.
    3. Apple does not compete in embedded systems like handheld credit-card processors, so it is no surprise their units don't run Mac OS. Yes, there are *nix/BSD strains that probably do, but I bet Apple just bought off-the-shelf system. Would it even make sense for them to develop a whole new line of products in an industry they don't even choose to compete in, just so they could use their own stuff? I think that would by way to 'not invented here' for them.