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Thunderbird 1.5 Arrives

Tech Support writes "Thunderbird 1.5 is here! It's ready to download, so get going. Finally, Firefox 1.5 has its counterpart. New features included automatic updates, anti-phishing protection, inline spellchecking, saved search folders, podcasting, RSS improvements, the ability to delete attachments from messages, and a whole lot more."

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  1. hope they fixed some of the more glaring bugs by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 2, Informative

    I hope they've fixed some of the more glaring bugs, such as when an email has lots and lots of attachments that fill up the window, making it next to impossible to read the content of the email (the attachment bucket at the bottom just grows and grows, with no way to shrink it.)

    I also notice that when having "Full Headers" viewable, it's impossible to read the content of the email.

    1. Re:hope they fixed some of the more glaring bugs by Derek+Pomery · · Score: 5, Informative

      Trivial to fix with a custom userChrome.css stylesheet.
      I don't have Thunderbird, but I had problem with expanded headers so I simply did the following: /* if full headers are enabled, trigger a scrollbar after ten lines */
      #msgHeaderView
      {
      max-height: 10em;
      overflow: auto;
      } /* keep the enigmail box from creating a scrollbar - annoying */
      #expandedEnigmailBox
      {
      max-width: 80em;
      }

      I don't know if the DOM Inspector is available for Thunderbird, but every time I want to
      tweak the suite a little, I actually edit it. No harder than editing a web page.

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  2. Maybe Outlook import has improved by Commander+Spock · · Score: 2, Informative

    Several versions ago, I tried to import all of my mail from Outlook (8 years worth, not ready to abandon my mail archive yet), and Thunderbird did a horrible job of it, preventing me from switching mail platforms.
    I'll give it another shot with this version, as I would love to be able to get away from Outlook once and for all.

  3. Re:Vertical Panes? by TeacherOfHeroes · · Score: 4, Informative

    This has been in Thunderbird since at least 1.0

    View > Layout > Vertical View

  4. Re:Does it move sent mail into the appropriate fol by Metasquares · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why not use IMAP? IMO, it's the best of both worlds: Messages are stored on the server, so you can still get them (from anywhere) if your client stops working, and you get all of the nice features of Thunderbird.

  5. In Portage already? by Metasquares · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wow, mozilla-thunderbird-1.5 is already in Portage. The binary isn't yet, though.

  6. If you prefer integration.... by CTho9305 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you like an integrated suite, be sure to give SeaMonkey a try. It's got pretty much the same features as Thunderbird 1.5, but also includes a browser and more.

  7. Re:Still no multiple SMTP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Did you even bother to install it. If you look at the Account Settings and try to change your Outgoing Server settings(SMTP) you will see a menu where you can add en remove multiple smtp servers. You can hook up each account you have with a smtp server you specified there.

  8. Re:But does it have... by epiphani · · Score: 4, Informative

    Honestly, this is the very feature Thunderbird is lacking that prevents me from switching to it. I get a whole bunch of VCAL messages from my Outlook-utilizing co-workers, which end up simply in my head since I use pine.

    If thunderbird had VCAL support and very basic calendaring, I'd switch because then I'd actually have a reason to use it over pine.

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  9. Re:Does it move sent mail into the appropriate fol by n00tz · · Score: 4, Informative

    If IMAP isn't available for your email: Thunderbird allows you to "leave the (POP) messages on the server", "don't delete (from server) until moved from inbox", and "fetch headers only" from server.

    I use "leave messages on server" and "Don't Delete" functions for portability as well as being able to access the same mailbox(es) from multiple computers(ie. pulling my personal mail to my work computer and leaving it available for home computer, or pulling my gmail account email to the email client and keeping it available on webmail too).

    I also backup my %root%/Documents and Settings/%username%/Application Data/Thunderbird folder to keep my email settings the same as they were pre-reformat if I'm doing a backup before I reinstall windows every ~3 months or so. You can do the same with Firefox, but I have run into some problems if I saved said profile folder from one version and tried to port it into a new version. The easy fix is to make sure you keep the installer from the last version of software, replace the profile folder, and upgrade with the newest installer.

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  10. Re:But does it have... by irenetheno · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Lightning project is Thunderbird with calendaring built-in.

  11. Re:Does it have.... by gall0ws · · Score: 1, Informative

    Edit -> Preference -> Composition -> Send Options
    It should be enough..

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  12. On 1.5 you can. by IAAP · · Score: 3, Informative
    I just downloaded 1.5.

    Click on the "Properties", Click on the "Outgoing Server", Click on "Add". There you can add the SMTP server you want.

    Then to associate the server you want for a particular account. Go into that account's main Account Settings page and you'll see a dropdown listbox that will have the SMTP server you just added.

    It's working a bit different from 1.0.7.

  13. no changes since RC2 by AndyST · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you had 1.5rc2 installed: Scott MacGregor wrote that the 1.5 release has no changes since rc2. So you won't need to update unless you really want that build date (like me)

    1. Re:no changes since RC2 by mlefevre · · Score: 2, Informative

      Really want which build date? The build date on 1.5 is the same as on RC2 - 20051201. It's the same build.

  14. Re:Podcasting? In an email application?? by wossName · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, from what I see (Bugzilla entry) this is just a way to represent Podcast links in RSS feeds like e-mail attachments.

    If there was functionality to podcast built into TB, I'd agree with you, though.

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  15. Inline spellchecking needs work by twelvemonkeys · · Score: 4, Informative
    I've been using 1.5 since RC1, and as much as I was looking forward to having this feature, I've had disabled inline spellchecking because it's not quite ready for prime time.

    Try replying to a large email (100K+) -- Thunderbird will choke and your CPU usage will go through the roof, as Thunderbird inexplicably tries to spellcheck words you've not written in the previous email history. I've had Thunderbird choke for over 10 minutes on certain emails before I finally had to kill the process.

    Hoping they fixed this one for 1.5-final.

  16. Actually, not Seamonkey by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Informative

    What you really want is Lightning. Unfortunately, they appear to have missed their December 2005 target release date for v0.1

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  17. Re:But does it have... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    A calendar built in??

    Not yet.

    http://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:Lightning

  18. Re:But does it have... by fimbulvetr · · Score: 3, Informative

    You should try using evolution. I recently switched to that from using thunderbird for 1.5 years, and kmail before that. At this rate, it'll be a long time before I switch again.

  19. Re:No, and in addition... by masklinn · · Score: 5, Informative

    They're not blocked by the update, they're blocked by the creator of the extension in the configuration file.

    If you want to try to manually bump your extensions (so that Thunderbird sees them as compatible), close Thunderbird, go to %APPDATA%\Thunderbird\Profiles\{your_profile}\exte nsions, open the "extensions.rdf" file, bump all the "em:maxVersion" that are set at 1.0, 1.0+ or 1.0.something to "1.5+", save, close, restart thunderbird.

    Beware though, if you have TRULY incompatible extensions (may happen, especially for big version changes), you may bork your UI completely. I'd suggest a full profile archiving before trying so that you can reset everything if issues arise.

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  20. Re:But does it have... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Well... Thunderbird might not have VCAL support but Kontact does! If you use *nix anyways, then why not grab Kontact? It's part of the official KDE distribution but could be installed seperately. Kontact comes with a (RSS/ATOM/RDF) news feed manager, email client, calendar, note taking, contact managing, etc.

  21. Re:Doesn't run at all on my computer by cexshun · · Score: 2, Informative

    Problem solved. You cannot install TB over itself in the same directory. You must first uninstall the old version.
    To fix this, I uninstalled the new 1.5. Reinstall into a different folder. I created a new one called Thunderbird instead of 'Mozilla Thunderbird'. Then, delete the old directory and you are good to go.

  22. Re:Doesn't run at all on my computer by cexshun · · Score: 3, Informative

    Release Notes read

    All Systems
    * Prior to installing Thunderbird 1.5, please ensure that the directory you've chosen to install into is clean and doesn't contain any previous Thunderbird installations.

    Easy enough to miss.

  23. Re:Does it move sent mail into the appropriate fol by Heartz · · Score: 3, Informative
    Consider http://www.fastmail.fm. I've been using them for a good few years now and they've been rock solid. The best part of the service is that they have a neutral forum hosted at the popular EmailDiscussions.com forums. Here you can read genuine uncensored feedback about their service.

    Their largest account comes with 2GB's of space, IMAP/POP, Spam Assasin, Sieve, 250MB of file space and tonnes more other things. All for only 40bucks a year. They have other plans, so you can pick and choose what you need.

  24. Thunderbird attachment pane bugs by frankie · · Score: 3, Informative
    Trivial to fix with a custom userChrome.css

    No, apparently it's not. CSS patches have been tried, and for some reason it doesn't work right for the attachment pane. See the following bugs for details (copy link to a new tab, slashdot referrer is blocked):

    • bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=223340
    • bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=242531

    If you can find a css tweak that works, please submit a patch.

  25. Re:Don't... make... me... choose... by jen20 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out OSXNews which is getting there as a newsreader, and is in a similar style to the Apple applications.

  26. XULRunner to the rescue... by rklrkl · · Score: 4, Informative
    OK, so it's difficult to know how to Google for this one without knowing its name first, but it might be XULRunner that you're ranting about w.r.t. a single runtime engine to fire up apps like Firefox etc.

    I believe this is indeed the replacement name for what used to be known as "GRE" (Gecko Runtime Environment) and can be used for *any* XUL-based application, not just stuff coming out of the Moz development team. What's not clear to me yet is exactly when this will be complete enough to be used by Firefox etc. - maybe for 2.0, maybe not.

    1. Re:XULRunner to the rescue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      from the Global:1.9 Trunk 1.8 Branch Plan:


        Firefox 3 will develop on the trunk, which is in 1.9 alpha stage

              * The trunk hosts continuously integrated and tested rearchitecture work
                          o Graphics reimplemented on top of Cairo
                          o New XUL features and XUL box layout specification/standardization
                          o Embedding and XUL App API and implementation unification
                          o Layout "reflow" rearchitecture
                          o JavaScript1.9 leading to JS2 / ECMA-262 Edition 4.
                          o Python for XUL
                          o etc. -- see the Roadmap Scratchpad


      Could "Embedding and XUL App API and implementation unification" be the thing?
  27. WARNING if you are on Windows uninstall..... by Honig+the+Apothecary · · Score: 3, Informative

    Uninstall your old versions of Thunderbird before running the installer for 1.5. I and a few other have had trouble when we let the installer for 1.5 just overwrite the older version. Backup your profiles, uninstall old version, install 1.5, and you should be good to go.

  28. Re:why, yes by JourneymanMereel · · Score: 2, Informative

    In some ways I miss the old days of the Mozilla suite, but in other ways I'm glad there's Firefox. For example, here at work a built in email client/chat client/news reader/kitchen sink (firefox doesn't have the kitchen sink, does it?) wouldn't be much use to me. I have to use Outlook for my email. So Firefox's browser only approach works well for me. But at home, where I use Firefox and Thunderbird having them all in one would be great. It sure would make install mail based plugins easier rather than having to download them and then load the extention manager in Thunderbird. And then my web browser could monitor my email and let me know when there's a new message like Netscape 4 did.

    As an aside, I would love to have a calendar app that also had a web based portion that worked well (my email is on an IMAP server w/Squirrelmail so I can access the same messages home or on the road... if only there was a WAP plugin). OK, enough on that tangent.

    So if I could only have it one way, I don't know which I'd choose. Though I'll probably be giving SeaMonkey a try soon enough (trouble is, I finally convinced my wife to use Firefox for everything but her work email [OWA]).

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  29. WebMail, Yahoo, Hotmail Extensions Work by peeon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Now you can access the yahoo and hotmail accounts from your thunderbird email client using extensions instead of external programs. Available here Lastest versions of hotmail, yahoo extensions here

  30. You'd lose that bet by John+Straffin · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Sunbird/Calendar development team keeps a development weblog. Last updated 5 days ago. Oracle also has (as of May 2005, anyway) three employees working on the Lightning project.

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  31. Re:But does it have... by level_headed_midwest · · Score: 3, Informative

    I use Kontact because I use KDE. You have to install half of KDE to get Kontact as it uses a *lot* of accessory apps, daemons, and the like. If I used Gnome or XFCE, I'd use Evolution. They are fairly similar- Evolution being a little bit more like Outlook and a little more professional (in my opinion) and Kontact is much more feature-filled as it has an RSS reader, built-in PDA sync program, a weather applet, etc. Both work very well, as does Thunderbird.

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  32. Re:Does it move sent mail into the appropriate fol by Eq+7-2521 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Various sysadmins running servers on which I've needed email accounts have posited such "solutions". "Leave messages on server" with POP is NOT the same as IMAP. Using IMAP, if I receive 100 messages today on my laptop and delete 80, and then use my desktop tomorrow, having received 50 new messages in the interim, I'll only see the 20 "old" messages that are remaining and the 50 "new" messages, and only the latter set will be marked as "unread". Furthermore, if I replied to 10 of those and forwarded 2, I'll see those statuses marked on my desktop. With the POP kludge, I'll just get all 70 messages and all will be marked as "unread" because that's the first time that installation is seeing them. It's up to me to remember where I last left off and which messages to which I have already replied. This is assuming I remembered to really delete the 80 deleted items ("empty trash" or whatever) on the laptop the day before. If not, I'll get all 150 messages, all marked as unread. This is to say nothing of the fact that with the POP "solution" sent messages remain on the client, leaving me with no good way to review all messages I've previously sent.

    I find the "leave messages on server" "solution" to be so irritating that I now just have messages on such servers forwarded to an account on my own IMAP server.

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  33. One thing that bugs me about Thunderbird... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The default reply position is at the bottom of the e-mail, not the top, which is pretty standard.

    To change it to the top:

    Account Settings > Composition & Addressing > "Automatically quote the original message when replying" > "Start my reply above the quote"