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Thunderbird 1.5 Arrives
Tech Support writes "Thunderbird 1.5 is here! It's ready to download, so get going. Finally, Firefox 1.5 has its counterpart. New features included automatic updates, anti-phishing protection, inline spellchecking, saved search folders, podcasting, RSS improvements, the ability to delete attachments from messages, and a whole lot more."
Isn't that what Sunbird is supposed to be for?
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
ie the one the replying to the email from is located?
Actually, I stopped using Thunderbird when I lost all my email in my last Windows backup/restore. Now I just use my Gmail from Firefox account. Does it have anything cool in it that means there's actually a point in using an email client any more, or do I just stick with my browser?
That's a tasty feature. Why isn't there a "Spread Thunderbird" website? mmm... Spread...
I hope they've fixed some of the more glaring bugs, such as when an email has lots and lots of attachments that fill up the window, making it next to impossible to read the content of the email (the attachment bucket at the bottom just grows and grows, with no way to shrink it.)
I also notice that when having "Full Headers" viewable, it's impossible to read the content of the email.
It'd be nice if they were aware of each other.
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Several versions ago, I tried to import all of my mail from Outlook (8 years worth, not ready to abandon my mail archive yet), and Thunderbird did a horrible job of it, preventing me from switching mail platforms.
I'll give it another shot with this version, as I would love to be able to get away from Outlook once and for all.
That's a 1.5-1.07 => .43/1.07 => .401*100 => 40.1% upgrade!
This has been in Thunderbird since at least 1.0
View > Layout > Vertical View
I've found Gmail's threading to be much more superior over Thunderbird's (despite Gmail's simplicity in threading, or perhaps because of it). Has thunderbird improved in this regard?
Why not use IMAP? IMO, it's the best of both worlds: Messages are stored on the server, so you can still get them (from anywhere) if your client stops working, and you get all of the nice features of Thunderbird.
Wow, mozilla-thunderbird-1.5 is already in Portage. The binary isn't yet, though.
If you like an integrated suite, be sure to give SeaMonkey a try. It's got pretty much the same features as Thunderbird 1.5, but also includes a browser and more.
My server
And just what is wrong with the Playboy Calendar?
Czech language for absolute beginners
Did you even bother to install it. If you look at the Account Settings and try to change your Outgoing Server settings(SMTP) you will see a menu where you can add en remove multiple smtp servers. You can hook up each account you have with a smtp server you specified there.
Honestly, this is the very feature Thunderbird is lacking that prevents me from switching to it. I get a whole bunch of VCAL messages from my Outlook-utilizing co-workers, which end up simply in my head since I use pine.
If thunderbird had VCAL support and very basic calendaring, I'd switch because then I'd actually have a reason to use it over pine.
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Can anyone say "feature creep"?
Absurdity: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion. -- Ambrose Bierce
...the Calendar XPI add-on that I used with 1.06 doesn't work with the new version. Bummer. This seems to be a problem with all Firefox/Thunderbird updates -- add-ons never seem to work with new versions. Or rather, they're blocked automatically even if they would work without an update.
If IMAP isn't available for your email: Thunderbird allows you to "leave the (POP) messages on the server", "don't delete (from server) until moved from inbox", and "fetch headers only" from server.
I use "leave messages on server" and "Don't Delete" functions for portability as well as being able to access the same mailbox(es) from multiple computers(ie. pulling my personal mail to my work computer and leaving it available for home computer, or pulling my gmail account email to the email client and keeping it available on webmail too).
I also backup my %root%/Documents and Settings/%username%/Application Data/Thunderbird folder to keep my email settings the same as they were pre-reformat if I'm doing a backup before I reinstall windows every ~3 months or so. You can do the same with Firefox, but I have run into some problems if I saved said profile folder from one version and tried to port it into a new version. The easy fix is to make sure you keep the installer from the last version of software, replace the profile folder, and upgrade with the newest installer.
I had college once, but I drank some fluids and got a lot of rest and eventually it was cured.
the option to use pure text? That is, no HTML what so ever. Not in the text, not when qouting, not ever? I've read a million howtos about this (for previous versions, on Win and Linux), but haven't been able to totally disable HTML - afaik it's not possible. Somebody please correct me.
The Lightning project is Thunderbird with calendaring built-in.
Yeah, but it sucks because Thunderbird doesn't support the part that makes it workable: multiline listings for the messages. You can't comfortably fit message data in a small column without a creative layout.
Click on the "Properties", Click on the "Outgoing Server", Click on "Add". There you can add the SMTP server you want.
Then to associate the server you want for a particular account. Go into that account's main Account Settings page and you'll see a dropdown listbox that will have the SMTP server you just added.
It's working a bit different from 1.0.7.
If you had 1.5rc2 installed: Scott MacGregor wrote that the 1.5 release has no changes since rc2. So you won't need to update unless you really want that build date (like me)
Have you tried telnet host 25?
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Thunderbird is ok. Really ok. It multi-plattform, uses mbox, has some cool automation/filtering and is relatively easy to set up and recover on all plattforms.
Yet it still looks like a software that's aping last decades Outlook/Netscape Mail crappyness.
What I whish for is this:
Three-Divided is the 5uXX0rz!!1!1!!11ONE!
Default non-three-divided screen. Three-devided is pointless. It sucks. It really does. Nobody really needs it and it definitely is bad as a default setting. If at all it should be optional. This is one thing that elitistware called Mutt actually really does right. I'd like Thunderbird with tabbed fullscreen folder, mails, read and edit views. With easy switching up and down the herachy with Ctrl.-Arrow or something. It can't be that hard, no?
Encryption. All variants. Out of the box.
Zero-hassle, zero compile this, semi-maybe-works-if-your-lucky pseudo wannabe plugin encryption. As in: Start Mailer, Klick "Encryption", Klick "Make Key" and get rolling. It can't that hard, or? KMail and Thunderbird have be practically lying about this to the community for years. Both say they support encrytion. Fact is, they don't. Enigmail is compiling agains a moving target and rarely hits - i couldn't get it to run once - and KMail encryption, despite their bold marketing claims on the projects website, is Vaporware. Pure and utter.
(Note to KMail: If I have to compile at least 2 different frameworks, including downloading some rare, bizar Aegypten library kit and, on top of that, fiddle with some arcane pseudo-plugin architecture in order to get a "KMail Encryption Plugin" running, then KMail does not offer a Plugin. A plugin is just that: You Plug it in and it just works. Bottom line: Please quit lying to your users. It pisses them off. qed)
If only a mailer would offer these features, one could actually presume that E-Mail clients have arived in the 21st century. Until then all mailers suck. One way or the other.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Try replying to a large email (100K+) -- Thunderbird will choke and your CPU usage will go through the roof, as Thunderbird inexplicably tries to spellcheck words you've not written in the previous email history. I've had Thunderbird choke for over 10 minutes on certain emails before I finally had to kill the process.
Hoping they fixed this one for 1.5-final.
What you really want is Lightning. Unfortunately, they appear to have missed their December 2005 target release date for v0.1
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
I use Mail too, but I still have to have Thunderbird anyway. Now, if only Apple would make a News.app...
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Great, now if only they could actually put some work into improving the Mozilla Address Book...
João Pinheiro
- A reasonable (1GB+) amount of disk space.
- IMAP and webmail access.
I've seen various combinations (particularly a large amount of disk space with POP), but never a really good IMAP service. If someone knows of one please let me know!You should try using evolution. I recently switched to that from using thunderbird for 1.5 years, and kmail before that. At this rate, it'll be a long time before I switch again.
Maybe Mozilla should look into offering some sort of all in one solution, like web browsing, email and a calendar function in an all together coordinated release? Maybe that would work, keep those apps most folks use all the time anyway in sync with each other and be one good quality app people could use for those common functions. I think it's a good idea,I wish they would try it, seems like a potentially great solution;)
So we'll have TBird, Firefox, and a Calendar all running off 3 instances of the same runtime engine - hey, that's SMART!
why not have the runtime engine built into all three products but only install if it isn't already present? Ya know, save memory and work on improving 1 engine instead of 3. Oh yeah, that's too smart and already exists as Mozilla (which was canned)...err...SeaMonkey.
This is being brought to you by the same category of boffins that duped you into believing that tearing apart the StarOffice Suite would IMPROVE system response when, in fact, it has slowed things down about tenfold while using up MORE memory.
I don't doubt that they are good products on their own but how about using a runtime engine that is already present instead of loading a new one each time - PAY ATTENTION SUN AND OO.ORG.
The regression of these 2 areas (i.e. Mozilla and openoffice) is so sad and considering that they are the 2 most used packages says something about the leaders of these software packages.
For the life of me, I can't figure out:
1) Why Sun dumped the integrated package and didn't make it opensource while opensourcing the split apps.
2) Why the promise of increased speed hasn't been fulfilled?
3) Why things would get 10x worse, in terms of speed, with OO?
4) Why the FF and TB creaters aren't working on a common GRE? How many people DON'T use both at the same time?! I love the packages but after seeing the memory useage when using both and comparing to Mozilla, I quickly went back to the Mozilla Suite.
Enough ranting for the day
Podcasts are simply rss feeds. RSS reading can fit VERY well into an email style format. Making it aware of the extra tag saying "There's an mp3 associated with this post" and offering a link to download makes all the sense in the world.
Having it read RSS and NOT handling the podcast stuff would be very dumb.
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Problem solved. You cannot install TB over itself in the same directory. You must first uninstall the old version.
To fix this, I uninstalled the new 1.5. Reinstall into a different folder. I created a new one called Thunderbird instead of 'Mozilla Thunderbird'. Then, delete the old directory and you are good to go.
Release Notes read
All Systems
* Prior to installing Thunderbird 1.5, please ensure that the directory you've chosen to install into is clean and doesn't contain any previous Thunderbird installations.
Easy enough to miss.
Their largest account comes with 2GB's of space, IMAP/POP, Spam Assasin, Sieve, 250MB of file space and tonnes more other things. All for only 40bucks a year. They have other plans, so you can pick and choose what you need.
Thunderbird has S/MIME support built in, no plugins needed. So does Apple Mail, so you can communicate with Mac users.
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http://kb.mozillazine.org/Installing_an_SMIME_cer
I use it. It works. Mailing lists tend to fsck up signatures, though.
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
yes, I did, see the smiley there in my post? heh. Seamonkey is the original idea for what mozilla used to offer, and it's still the best idea, an integrated solution. When the official moz emphasis switched to stand alone apps, I distinctly remember people bringing up the "uncoordinated versions" potential problem, and they were told it was a minimal problem. Now we can see it is a problem, and it will continue to be a problem, especially with all the extensions and plug ins and trying to get them to work across different applications since the "great breakup".
Anyway, yes, I use seamonkey and encourage others to do so as well. I want one app that works for the most common web surfing uses. Choice is good here.
No, apparently it's not. CSS patches have been tried, and for some reason it doesn't work right for the attachment pane. See the following bugs for details (copy link to a new tab, slashdot referrer is blocked):
If you can find a css tweak that works, please submit a patch.
Check out OSXNews which is getting there as a newsreader, and is in a similar style to the Apple applications.
I believe this is indeed the replacement name for what used to be known as "GRE" (Gecko Runtime Environment) and can be used for *any* XUL-based application, not just stuff coming out of the Moz development team. What's not clear to me yet is exactly when this will be complete enough to be used by Firefox etc. - maybe for 2.0, maybe not.
OK so silly me, feeling lucky today; thought Id install this over my old install since the version I was using (1.0.7) would open up and take 5 minutes to count the 150,000 unread messages that it *thinks * are in my inbox!
Doh, of course now email doesnt work. No errors messages, no message boxes, NOTHING!
Between this and FireFox 1.5 not displaying Flash, hogging massive amounts of memory, rendering some large pages a LOT more slowly than 1.0.x; crashing etc. etc; The Moz/FF have left me a lot less impressed than I once was...
Uninstall your old versions of Thunderbird before running the installer for 1.5. I and a few other have had trouble when we let the installer for 1.5 just overwrite the older version. Backup your profiles, uninstall old version, install 1.5, and you should be good to go.
I'm an avid user of Thunderbird, but unfortunately v1.5 still doesn't fix my pet peeve with the app: the enormo-attachment-list-you-can't-hide.
Mailing list digests have the separate messages included as attachments, and on my 1024x768 screen resolution the attachment list, which Thunderbird finds obligatory to show, takes up a huge area.
Dammit, how difficult can it be to put a little clickable arrow there so that I could minimize the attachment list??? Or have I missed an option somewhere?
Well this just bit me and too be honest, the fact that it doesnt warn you that youre installing over an existing directory when doing the install *AND IF YOU DO DO SO IT BREAKS* I really class as a bug and one as bad as many Ive found in any MS product. Sure I like TB but good software should NOT do this sort of thing.
Now you can access the yahoo and hotmail accounts from your thunderbird email client using extensions instead of external programs. Available here Lastest versions of hotmail, yahoo extensions here
The Sunbird/Calendar development team keeps a development weblog. Last updated 5 days ago. Oracle also has (as of May 2005, anyway) three employees working on the Lightning project.
My contempt for the behavior and beliefs of the two major political parties cannot be adequately expressed in 120 chara
I use Kontact because I use KDE. You have to install half of KDE to get Kontact as it uses a *lot* of accessory apps, daemons, and the like. If I used Gnome or XFCE, I'd use Evolution. They are fairly similar- Evolution being a little bit more like Outlook and a little more professional (in my opinion) and Kontact is much more feature-filled as it has an RSS reader, built-in PDA sync program, a weather applet, etc. Both work very well, as does Thunderbird.
Just "gittin-r-done," day after day.
Various sysadmins running servers on which I've needed email accounts have posited such "solutions". "Leave messages on server" with POP is NOT the same as IMAP. Using IMAP, if I receive 100 messages today on my laptop and delete 80, and then use my desktop tomorrow, having received 50 new messages in the interim, I'll only see the 20 "old" messages that are remaining and the 50 "new" messages, and only the latter set will be marked as "unread". Furthermore, if I replied to 10 of those and forwarded 2, I'll see those statuses marked on my desktop. With the POP kludge, I'll just get all 70 messages and all will be marked as "unread" because that's the first time that installation is seeing them. It's up to me to remember where I last left off and which messages to which I have already replied. This is assuming I remembered to really delete the 80 deleted items ("empty trash" or whatever) on the laptop the day before. If not, I'll get all 150 messages, all marked as unread. This is to say nothing of the fact that with the POP "solution" sent messages remain on the client, leaving me with no good way to review all messages I've previously sent.
I find the "leave messages on server" "solution" to be so irritating that I now just have messages on such servers forwarded to an account on my own IMAP server.
At my age I find coming up with a witty signature too exhausting.
So we'll have TBird, Firefox, and a Calendar all running off 3 instances of the same runtime engine - hey, that's SMART!
Yes, it is, because it means that they all can use different versions of the runtime engine.
For the life of me, I can't figure out:
Well, keep thinking about it, maybe eventually you will figure it out. It makes sense to me: Firefox, Thunderbird, and OOo get the job done with a memory footprint, speed, and release dates that I can live with. That's what counts.