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U of Michigan creates first Quantum Microchip

zigziggityzoo writes "According to this article, The University of Michigan has created the first Quantum Microchip, which could eventually lead to the first instance of Quantum Computing ever." The bad news? We won't be seeing any notebooks or handhelds with quantum chips in the near future.

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  1. Measurement by Bob+Gelumph · · Score: 4, Funny

    It is not a first post until someone reads it as a first post

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  2. Quantum? by MoxCamel · · Score: 4, Funny
    Oh boy.

    Mox

    1. Re:Quantum? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Quantum? I hardly know 'em!

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  3. Very nice, but imagine... by KanSer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of these bady boys!

    (Had to, sorry.)

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  4. The Bad News by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny

    The bad news? We won't be seeing any notebooks or handhelds with quantum chips in the near future.

    Yeah, right. Let me introduce myself, my name is Richard and I am Vice Peon, Assistant to the High Junior Acolyte In Charge of Dustbins of the Holy Order of 8th Day Advanced Micro Devicers. Once we were few in numbers, our faith challenged at every turn by the Church of Intel. Scoffed at, most cruelly as rank copyists without an innovation to our name. After years of wandering the wilderness between iterations our faith was rewarded most gloriously! Speak not of Quantum Notbooks and Handhelds being a thing of dreams, for we know the mighty AMD will deliver.

    You'll see, you just watch! Ya betcha! Wrist devices, wearable quantum rings. Any second now. Yeah...

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    1. Re:The Bad News by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

      "AMD will deliver but not in the near future like the poster states."

      Perhaps, but rest assured that, when AMD does deliver, the damned thing will be backwards compatible without software emulation.

  5. What would Neil say? by slashbob22 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's one small chip for man, one Quantum leap for mankind.

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    1. Re:What would Neil say? by Flunitrazepam · · Score: 3, Funny

      putting right posts that once went wrong, and hoping that the next post..... will be..... the first post

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  6. There might be a small problem by suitepotato · · Score: 5, Funny

    as you might be able to know where the computer is but not what it is doing or what it is doing but not where it is at the same time...

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    1. Re:There might be a small problem by skiddy · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think I have a quantum girlfriend :(

    2. Re:There might be a small problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think I have a quantum girlfriend :(
      The rest of slashdot thinks you have an imaginary girlfriend.

    3. Re:There might be a small problem by blues_shuffle · · Score: 2, Funny

      You know she's leaving, but you don't know where she is?

  7. Quantum Pairs by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Expect this story to be dupped again. This time, it will be the fault of their new CPU, not Slashdot.

    Finally, a dupe excuse for Slashdot!

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  8. Interesting, for two reasons by megla · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1: As a proof of concept, it's a good start. I was always rather unsure how practical all this QC stuff actually was, as although the benefits look great, the technology seems to be incredibly complex.

    2: It's a nice slap in the face for the various people who still doubt the validity of quantum theory itself. The fact that this is possible shows it's definately on the right lines.

  9. ah, but with quantum computing by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    the dupe could be the first story!

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  10. Here's a Question for you: by SnoopJeDi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From TFA:

    Researchers believe quantum systems will be much more efficient at rock-solid cryptography and mass database searches than running the latest version of Doom.

    Any particular reason why? I mean, bits are bits, are they not? Or is this saying a game architechture couldn't take advantage of a qubit?

    The Power of Quantum Computers is a good insight into just why this is a good system for factorization, and thus, breaking the stuffing out of encryption systems.

    1. Re:Here's a Question for you: by imsabbel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, qbits arent bits.
      Since reading a "register" destroys the coherent stats and leads to one (of the many possible) readings, you cannot use most algorithms with quantum chips.
      There are only a handful algorithms yet that work theoretically at all (like the famous shore-algorithm to factorize numbers). As a easy guideline, the "you can calculate all possible combinations at once" idea of quantum computing is destroyed for most stuff because of the reading limitations.
      So the way to go is trying to find algorithms in which the end result of the quantum register will give a bias in the readout that will give you a hint for the properties of a large manyfold of input factors.

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    2. Re:Here's a Question for you: by Senjutsu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From the very article you linked:

      The class of problems that can be efficiently solved by quantum computers is called BQP, for "bounded error, quantum, polynomial time". Quantum computers only run randomized algorithms, so BQP on quantum computers is the counterpart of BPP on classical computers.

      I don't know how much of a background you have in Computational Mathematics, but the gist of it is that the properties that make a quantum computer very, very good at things like encryption make them very, very bad at everyday, deterministic stuff like desktop computing.

    3. Re:Here's a Question for you: by centie · · Score: 5, Informative

      The problem is that there are only a very limited number of quantum algorithms which give a significant increase in performance over classical computing. Infact, there's only really two main classes; those based on Shors quantum fourier transform and those based on Grovers quantum search. So the possibility for exponential (Shor) or quadratic (Grover) performance gains, at the moment, is only available for a very limited number of problems. Not to say that in the future someone wont develope an algorithm which allows doom to be run faster, just at the moment its not known.

      For the first replier, qubits do NOT have three states of 1, 0 and 1&0. They are a superposition of 1 and 0. Think of it like a globe with 1 at the north pole and 0 at the south, the value of the qubit can be any point on the surface of the globe. This gives an infinte number of values, not just 3.

  11. Obviously designed for windows by hurfy · · Score: 4, Funny

    "For example, an up-spin can represent a one, or a down-spin can represent a zero -- or the qubit can occupy both states simultaneously"

    This way windows can be working and not working at the same time.

    oh, wait.....

  12. why bad news? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm GLAD it won't happen soon! Imagine someone tapping into your SSL sessions with his quantum chip!

    Besides, i'm much more interested in optical or spin-based chips with nearly zero-power-consumption than a quantum entanglement chip.

  13. Hmm. by oGMo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Researchers believe quantum systems will be much more efficient at rock-solid cryptography and mass database searches than running the latest version of Doom.

    They have no idea what this will lead to. Remember research 50 years ago? Huge, vacuum tubes, hundreds of calculations a second (maybe). They thought the world would have maybe 5-10 computers. Who envisioned Doom, or the Internet?

    Same way with quantum computing. Right now we have very primitive experimental technology and think a few researchers might eventually benefit. I'd like to see what we're doing in 50-100 years.

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  14. This could turn security inside out..... by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When (if) a quantum computer can eventually be made, it'll probably have more then enough power to crack many of the currently used encryption schemes. Such a big jump in computing ability (from that little I've read about quantum computing and my roommates ranting, it's that powerful) will definately present a problem for security schemes. Things may get interesting then......

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  15. Uh... Chem 101 anyone ? by cyberfunk2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm sure they're doing some great work... but my chemistry tells me something a little funny about this quote:

    "The cadmium atom that has lost an electron becomes a negatively charged ion, which can then be controlled with an electrical field," said Daniel Stick, a doctoral student in the University of Michigan's physics department who participated in the work.

    Excuse me ? Generally when atoms LOSE electrons, they become POSITIVE. Quantum wierdness indeed.

  16. Huh? by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 2, Funny

    No fair! You've changed the outcome by measuring it!

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  18. Am I missing something? by Merle+Darling · · Score: 2, Informative

    From TFA, emphasis added:
    "The cadmium atom that has lost an electron becomes a negatively charged ion, which can then be controlled with an electrical field," said Daniel Stick, a doctoral student in the University of Michigan's physics department who participated in the work.

    Maybe I'm missing something here, but basic high school chemistry says that an atom that loses an electron has an overall positive charge, which makes it a positively charged ion or a cation...

    I'm not sure I want this guy designing my computer. =)

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    1. Re:Am I missing something? by Tharkban · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not very nice to highlight his name. If he's designing quantum computers, he either had a dislexic moment or got misquoted. My guess is the latter.

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    2. Re:Am I missing something? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, but REMEMBERING your high school chemistry is a 'good solid science background.' Also very rare.

  19. Schrodinger's computer by Belseth · · Score: 4, Funny

    If it runs Windows does that mean it can be both in a crashed state and an uncrashed state?

    1. Re:Schrodinger's computer by jakupovic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude have you thought about replacing yourself, I mean 4 computers can't be wrong

      just a thought

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    2. Re:Schrodinger's computer by drgonzo59 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agree. I would even go futher and say that even some drivers should not be able to crash the operating system. If some idiot at Microsoft wrote my PS/2 mouse driver or some contractor monkey wrote a buggy graphics driver -- it shouldn't bring down the whole machine, but rather the machine should be able to detect a problem and restart the driver and the device or try to autmatically fall back to use a generic failsafe driver. I would want to have a good free OS with a separation kernel and userspace drivers. Sorry but Minix and Hurd just don't cut it yet. I remember the Andrew Tanenbaum vs. Linus debate over the best kernel architecture, and while back in the early 90's on a 33 MHz 386 processor context switches between drivers would have been too prohibitive, today with the 3GHz CPUs and gigabit memory bandwidths, it might just work. Some people will agree to sacrifice %15 or so of performance to increased reliability and fault tollerance. Even without any specific changes in programming practices going from 5,000,000 lines of code that could potentially run in priviledged mode to only 5000 would make a HUGE difference in terms of stability and fault tollerance. Who knows, maybe it's time to rethink?...

    3. Re:Schrodinger's computer by Z34107 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm trying to edit something on a windows system right now and it crashes four to five times an hour

      Ever consider it's not Windows' fault? I dual boot Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 R2. Granted, I used to get occaisional crashes playing games in XP - until I disabled the Realtek integrated sound chip and got an Audigy.

      The only crashes I ever get are when I'm using beta nVidia graphics drivers, or when I make a stupid programming mistake, like off-by-one errors or checking pointers. The latter happens rarely, due to my incredible programming skill :D, and is caught by my IDE and never affects system stability. All in all, when I have programming classes, call it less than 4 crashes a month.

      I'm still trying to find out what people do to their poor machines in order to make them so horribly unstable, or what people do to their e-mail accounts to get so much spam. (I've had a free netscape account since I was 11 - never any spam.) Maybe it's not Windows?

      Oh, wait, this is Slashdot.

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    4. Re:Schrodinger's computer by ToxicBanjo · · Score: 2, Funny

      New marketing slogan for the year 2020 -


      "Windows Celesta 2020 - 100% Secure and Stable !!

      By using new and improved quantum hardware interfaces, QuantumSoft (formily MicroSoft) have engineered the absolute finest example of "Non Viewership". By never opening the box to see if the cat is dead QuantumSoft can say with 100% certainty that Windows Celesta 2020 will never crash and never be compromised."

      Fine print at the bottom -

      Void to those who actually determine the quantum state of Windows Celesta 2020 at anytime.

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    5. Re:Schrodinger's computer by BungoMan85 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's pretty much how it is for me too. I run Windows XP and it NEVER crashes unless it has to do with graphics card drivers (I updated my drivers for my nVidia card and now Doom 3 causes auto reboots... lame). Seriously though, I think people who make Windows NT/2K/XP crash more than a few times a year are probably doing something really dumb. I don't even see how that is possible. Now on Windows 9x.... man... if you can get a system running that to stay up more than two days you are lucky.

      No, I'm not an MS appologist. I just don't ever have any problems with Windows cause I'm not dumb.

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  20. Should be just in time... by optkk · · Score: 3, Funny

    for the next Duke Nukem Forever.

  21. Re:But will it run Linux? by Craigj0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually for some people there are reasons to move beyond 64 bits besides address space. There are a lot of processors that are used in DSP that work on >64 bit intergers. However for a general purpose machine proccessing of large intergers is probably better off in specialised units like altivec.
    As a side note current 64 bit processors only actually can access about 40-45 bits of address space since all those extra pins cost money and are unlikely to be used.

  22. Mods missed the reference by jcuervo · · Score: 3, Informative

    At the end of every (?) episode of Quantum Leap, Sam (Scott Bakula) (and that holographic dude, once or twice) would say "Oh, boy" once he jumped into a new body and realized his new predicament.

    Can't believe the mods missed it. :-(

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  23. Re:No DOOM? by Roguelazer · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I think there is a quantum world market for maybe five computers."

  24. The internet was predicted 60 years ago. by SETIGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ... Remember research 50 years ago? Huge, vacuum tubes, hundreds of calculations a second (maybe). They thought the world would have maybe 5-10 computers. Who envisioned Doom, or the Internet?

    Actually, I'd say that in 1946 (yes, 60 years ago) Murray Leinster essentially predicted the internet. Although he didn't predict how it worked, he certainly predicted computers in the home searching centralized data repositories. Here's an excerpt from "A Logic Named Joe."

    You know the logics setup. You got a logic in your house. It looks like a vision reciever used to, only it's got keys instead of dials and you punch keys for what you wanna get. [...] Say you punch "Station SNAFU" on your logic. Relays in the tank take over an' whatever vision program SNAFU is telecastin' comes on your logic's screen. Or you punch "Sally Hancock's Phone" an' the screen blinks an' sputters an' you're hooked up with the logic in her house an' if somebody answers youve got a vision-phone connection. But besides that, if you punch for the weather forecast or who won today's race at Hialeah or who was mistress at the White House durin' Garfield's administration or what is PDQ and R sellin' for today, that comes on the screen, too. [...] Also it does math for you, an' keeps books, an' acts as consulting chemist, physicist, astronomer an' tealeaf reader, with an "Advice to Lovelorn" thrown in.

    Not too far off the mark for 1946.

  25. Re:But will it run Linux? by sigloiv · · Score: 2, Interesting

    His point is, even if you need over 17 GBs of RAM, it'd be far more efficient to just split up that RAM among multiple 64-bit processors. I mean, by the time we have 17 exabytes of RAM, they're will probably 1000 core 64-bit processors. ;)

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  26. Re:But will it run Linux? by joto · · Score: 2
    Keep in mind a 64 bit processor can address 17 billion gig of ram

    We have a name for this: 16 exabytes!

    The wikipedia article on 128 bit processing points out that it's probably not efficient for a single 128 bit processor to have over 17 billion gig of ram to itself anyway -- it'd probably make far more sense to split the ram up between several 64 bit processors instead.

    So how would you address ram on a different processor? Ok, this is so far into the future, that anyones guess is valid, but a 128 bit address space isn't too silly.

    Assuming we use some form of nano-storage with an atom per bit, 2^64 bytes needs storage space measured in cubic mm. 2^128 bytes needs storage space measured in cubic km.

    2^256 bytes needs storage space measured in cubic deci-parsecs. This is still conceivable for a science fiction scenario, and would be the preferred memory addressing size for a dyson-sphere (or cluster of dyson-spheres, with still a bit of room for virtual memory). A 512 bit address space starts to get pretty unrealistic though, at least if you need it for memory addressing reasons...

    But I digress. The point is that it's still very conceivable that future advances in nanotechnology will bring cheap nanoscale-memory, where a 64-bit address-space is still too small. A 128-bit address space ought to be enough for everybody though (at least on a conceivable time-scale).

  27. Re:Wow...Imagine what they could do with that? by joto · · Score: 2
    A commodore 64 the size of a grain of rice!

    Don't we already have this? I mean 64kB RAM and an old slow 68k processor. Shouldn't take up much space on a die... Probably much lesss than a grain of rice would!

  28. First Ever? It's been done before! by ironwill96 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I seem to recall that an article was posted on /. a few months ago about this as found here: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/ 07/1241216

    And here is the company's webpage: http://atomchip.com/_wsn/page5.html

    See! Proof that Quantum-Optical computing has already been done!

    Ok, so maybe this would be the first non-vaporware quantum chip...

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  29. Re:But will it run Linux? by hedwards · · Score: 2, Funny

    Keep in mind a 64 bit processor can address 17 billion gig of ram. I think that should be "Gub." 1 billion bytes is a gigabyte, but 2^30 bytes is more properly referred to as a gubibyte; and last time I checked ram was measured in base 2 rather than the easier to remember SI units. If they choose to use the indeterminate spin as a "2" they may need to add a third prefix for base 3. He, He, He. This is still news for nerds, right?

  30. A stab in the dark by zbuffered · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Cheap power supply?

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  31. Re:Enigmatic? by bhaberman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's enigmatic because while these vectors are eigenfunctions of the Schroedinger equation, meaning that they represent a definite state, the sum of these two vectors is NOT an eigenfunction. It is weird that a particle simply walks around with a state not corresponding to any definite eigenstate. It is also weird that when you try to catch the particle in the act, the particles state collapses to that of one of the eigenstates of which it is in the superposition, with probability given by taken the scalar product with the eigenstate in question. This means that when not being measured, particles evolve according to the (deterministic) Schroedinger equation, while when the particles are measured they (randomly) perform a quantum leap into just one eigenstate, and then continue on their Schroedinger evolution.

    This is
    a. Counterintuitive. How can these particles walk around with indefinite states?
    b. Disturbing. How does measurement make them choose a state; what is the privilidged status of measurement in the universe; does it have a true state?
    c. Mathematically sophisticated. The details of quantum mechanics require infinite-dimensional Hilbert space theory, much of which has been developed during the 20th century. Things like the spectral theorem are mathematically very difficult and are necessary for quantum mechanics. It is not true that people learn what a Hilbert space is in the first year of undergraduate mathematics. Hey, even people in their senior year of college might not know what it is, let alone how to use its properties.

    Don't say quantum mechanics is simple. It is one of the strangest theories ever developed by science, and should be thrown out altogether as ridiculous, if it weren't for the fact that it explains observations very well.

  32. in a related story by adrianmonk · · Score: 3, Funny

    In a related story, after being told that U Mich now has quantum microchips working, Steve Jobs was heard saying, "Crap! FUCK! We just finished switching to Intel chips, and now THIS happens?! Now we're going to have to, I mean this will make us, I mean... DAMMIT! DAMN. IT. Stupid fucking processors -- we should've just stayed with m68k. I mean, what's the point?"

  33. Not fast enough by redNuht · · Score: 2, Funny

    quantum systems will be much more efficient at rock-solid cryptography and mass database searches than running the latest version of Doom.

    Not even quantum computing is fast enough for Doom 3, eh?

  34. Re:Another stunt by a university by fizzyabbo · · Score: 2, Informative

    A quick search on Google would suggests that there is increasing interest in this field. How aboutIBM , as well as a start up company called D-Wave Systems located in Vancouver, for a start.

    As for my two cents, don't bet on an up-and-comer quantum-computer-making-business "knock them [the processor giants] them of their perch". The article (in addition to previous stories) doesn't predict a quantum computer that you'll be able to buy off the shelf and use on your desktop. Perhaps a look at the current prospects for implementations of quantum computers, and a miniscule amount of common sense would convince you of this unliklihood.

  35. old news by le+duf · · Score: 2, Funny

    What's the big deal? Q*berts have been sround since 1982!