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IE7 Leaked
lju writes "IE7 has been leaked according to pcpro. From the article: '...last Friday it was revealed that a build of the new browser - version 5299 - along with numerous screenshots, was available online.' "
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So has the first exploit been leaked too?
I know it's trolling, but considering the security of IE6 WHICH HAS BEEN OUT FOR YEARS, I don't think I will be standing in line to try this "beta".
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IE7 Leaked, as in memory? :]
IE7, almost every revision, has been available in Usenet for some time now.
Honestly, I really don't see how this is such a bad thing. It is not commercial (pay) software. By 'leaking' the browser, more people are using it/talking about it.
I don;t see where this is such a big deal.
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"Tabbed browsing" and "ability to delete browsing history"? This story must be a duped, because this browser was leaked to the public years ago. At the time, I think they called it "Firefox."
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It seems that the web browser landscape has been pretty tranquil for quite some time. Firefox 1.5 and Safari 2.0 both seemed like fairly inconsequential updates. For Firefox, I want hot-key accessible favorites like I have in Safari. For Safari, I want type-ahead searching. The first to give me that will have my browser vote....at least for now.
The linked article is titled "Internet Explorer 7 leaks onto Internet".
Yeah, I can't think of a more apt analogy than Microsoft taking a big leak all over the internet. They've been pissing on us for years.
IE7 has been leaked according to pcpro.
Microsoft announced that a patch for this leak will be coming out the 2nd Tuesday of next month.
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IE7 can't possibly leak as much as Firefox. That browser is a memory pig! But I guess that's the price for security and "standards compliance"
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I suppose you could say I'm trolling or trying to start a flamewar, but really, do you want MS's latest bit of bugware on your desktop? And who knows what some L337 HAX0R might have managed to graft into the code prior to making it available? Kind of like downloading warez - too risky for any but the most foolish ...
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that they could not secure even the release.. sigh!
It's been available for some time now legally. I believe you have to be a member of MSDN. I'm using it right now on my work PC. It's like IE 6 with tabs and with some rough edges. The build I'm using doesn't add "http://" for you, which is a bit annoying but might not be a bad security precaution. Tabs pretty much work like FF.
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Its not a big deal, its been available to MSDN members for quite a while. I haven't updated this machine in a month or more and IE on here shows 7.0.5112.0 (Vista Beta 1 5112)
Last I checked, MSIE 7 is available via MSDN subscriptions, Action Pack subscriptions, and even Microsoft's own web site . It's not like anyone outside of M$ has not seen MSIE 7.0 already. So a single build got leaked a little early -- this is a) nothing unusual and b) not anything significantly different from what was previously made available through legitimate. This strikes me as: "Oh boy, screenshots of a beta everyone has been able to download for months. Oh wait, this is DIFFERENT because the build number in help-> about is different."
Now if the SOURCE were leaked, that would actually be something newsworthy.
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Maybe it will be. Microsoft isn't incapable of writing bad software, they just usually have no competition so there's no incentive for them to do so.
Wow! People were right, they really changed the branding of IE6, and man is it full of bugs! Look at how much RAM it uses!
Maybe you should check out IE8.5, you can get it here.
Where there's no irony to berating Microsoft for copying Firefox features in Internet Explorer, nor talking about security flaws in Internet Explorer while praising Firefox.
Grow up!
Yes, Firefox is my default browser too... but I try not to let that make me a hypocrite!
Hmm, jumped the gun, now that I RTFA again. It seems this "leaked" build includes page zooming, where released builds do not, plus a couple of toolbar icons have been updated to be more flashy. Sorry, my bad. This is definitely earth-shattering news that will change our computing world.
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I'm surprised as hell that anyone would download a 'leaked' copy of IE 7.xx no matter how secure it is supposed to be when released. First, there is the problem of being a beta tester when you don't want to be, and SECOND, there is the problem that it might contain DRM that is equally bad or worse than the Sony 'rootkit' DRM.
AFAIK, 'leaked' software doesn't come with warnings, EULAs, and any other such agreements. I'm willing to bet that 'leaked' or copy-able software in the future will have DRM all over it. That is to say that license keys in the future, if not so already, will have a dual purpose of enabling use of the application AND disabling 'rootkit' type DRM/Spyware easter eggs in the application(s).
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IE 7 leaked as in sewage pipes :P
So MSFT's water is broken, and the IE7 will be born soon? I guess it is still at the contraction stage.
"some Windows fans took matters into their own hands when"
Windows having fans? I believe the term is microsoft employees and fanboys
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Wow it sure does take long for news to filter through, I would stay clear of it though as I nearly had to reformat as it broke AVG and numerous other things. Even when its released I will stick with firefox.
Everyone seems to be making "isn't this firefox" jokes, and yes, some of the features are rather familiar, but this browser is important.
In a year or so, this browser will have > 70% of the online browser market share. This browser will be the majority's portal onto the web.
Web developers should care about this browser - how your pages look on it, what CSS version (or subset) it supports. Security experts should care about this browser - what security issues does it throw up, what 'helpful' workarounds does it impliment for Phishing and the like.
I'm sorry, and you may not like, but this browser will be the standard.
Not fully standards compliant. Doesn't run on Mac OS X, Linux, or Solaris. Lame.
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With spending like this, exactly what are "conservatives" conserving?
I wonder how big and clunky Internet Explorer would be if it wasn't tied into the Operating System.
fags have to be labelled with tar and nicotine content .....
Oh, you meant cigarettes...
doesn't it seem likely that we're reaching a point at which there are just not very many new things that can be done with browsers? most of what the web is about, including user interfaces, has now been integrated into the content of web pages themselves. the job of the browser is fairly straightforward, and browsers have been around long enough to learn to do that job well. i think to call it 'stagnation' implies that we should always expect constant innovation. but maybe browsers are just a tool that has reached maturity.
...and not one single request for a link to a torrent.
Come on guys, everyone's going to think we're not interested at this rate.
...is this leaked version using any new rendering components? If so, has anyone dissected the differences between it and IE 6 yet?
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Sadly, I don't think Firefox is any more secure than IE - there are just more published exploits for IE because it's the largest user base. I'd bet we'll start seeing more and more of Firefox's security issues as it becomes more popular. I shouldn't need to post this, it should be common knowledge.
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In fact because there will be even less users using IE7 than Firefox, one could stand to reason that IE7 is more secure than Firefox because there sure aren't any published bug exploits for IE7 yet.
I had IE7 installed a few months back, and it just felt like IE6 with tabs... I might give this version a try
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Except that food doesn't have to be distributed with a recipe telling you when to mix what and how long to bake it for, clothes don't generally come with the patterns and instructions you need to recreate them from whole cloth, beer doesn't tell you how long it's been fermenting, and aside from tar and nicotine, god only knows what's in these Camel Lights I smoke.
My point is, (almost) no product comes with detailed instructions on how to recreate it yourself, modifying it how you please to suit your likes and dislikes. Why should software be any different?
Yes, I agree that in many situations it is beneficial for software to have publicly-availably source code (look at my uid - I've been here a long time, and I've heard all the arguments). But as for the government mandating that I release my source code publicly? Even if it's not practical to do so, as in the case of a multiplayer game, whereby releasing the networking code for all to see is a free pass to all the script-kiddie cheaters? No thanks. Heavy-handed, one-size-fits-all government policy, especially on topics that they don't understand, never benefits anybody.
I saw IE 7 the other day. They need to fix the "7" sticker they slapped on, part of the "6" was still visible underneath.
Wow - extreme viewpoint, although shared by many. I agree that there is a place for opensource software, but I would also say that there is a place for proprietary software. Companies (the things that supply most software in the world) simply would not bother to spend so much time and money making software if someone could just come along and copy it. You may not like that, but that's the way it is.
Food has to be labelled with its ingredients list
But they don't need to list the procedure for making the food.
Clothing has to be labelled with its fibre composition.
What has roughage got to do with this? ;)
Cosmetics have to be labelled with their ingredients. Beer has to be labelled with its alcohol content
Again, the value of the products here is not in the contents, but in the procedure for making them. The secret part of a beer is not in the alcohol content, but in the preparation: the water, the hops, the fermentation - there are hundreds of variables. Beer makers keep these variables and procedures a big secret because otherwise people could steal their secrets they spent time and money developing.
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No, that's the price for using a largely un-optimized application. Compared with IE, Firefox is like the 'new kid on the block'. Around for some time now, but not as long as IE. And probably a lot less men-hours of development effort, compared to what must have been poured into IE over the years. Firefox has reached 'feature-complete stage', but it's not heavily optimized or in a 'mature' state, where there's only small improvements left to do.
Does it matter? Not much, Firefox is plenty useful NOW. And what would you rather waste: megabytes of your computer's memory (only till you close the app), or countless hours of your (human) time, cleaning out malware that leaked in? I'll take the 'waste memory' option anytime.Translation:
Companies pretend to have details about a new or upgraded product "leaked" to generate anticipation/excitement for the release of the aforementioned product. Somebody in Microsoft's marketing department is not aware that most people have caught on this.
Meanwhile, Steve Ballmer has vowed to Fucking Kill(TM) any unauthorized person who comes in contact with the IE7 beta. After speaking with the development team, he decided to save his energy to help Fucking Kill(TM) the next threat that comes along, as the buggy code is expected to (regular) Kill anyone who installs it anyway.
Heart disease is also important. But I'm not going to download it.
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"some Windows fans took matters into their own hands"
I think they misspelled captives
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I am an engineer for a very large mobile company, and take it from me. Programs and information does NOT leak. Everybody knows what each workers knows, and if anything should leak, the source is know before the day is over. If such case should happen, the person will get fired, and every competitor will know about this person. Eventhought a competitor could profit greatly from the leak caused by this person, even they would NEVER hire this person. Because, they know they can't trust him. So telling it had leaked is plain PR to make it more interesting. Leaks does NOT happen.
It's merely that Firefox is so fantabulous that the computer just can't let it go. Get with the fanboy program, dude, you're slacking, and not in a good Slackware kind of way!
...blown out of proportion a lot...well.. except for the TENS OF MILLIONS of machines that have gotten infected and owned over the years because of it. And let's look at the BILLIONS of dollars in basically lost productivity and resources wasted on "fixing" malwarez once folks get nailed. It doesn't matter if theoretically 1% (whatever, a small number) of the computer using population can keep a windows box secure, what matters is, for whatever reasons exist today, 99% (again, whatever, a very large number) CAN'T. That's an example of "broken" in any practical true sense, as opposed to academic theory.
Okay, so it has tabs... now give me back my menus! It was bad enough when the menu bar was BELOW the tabs, but to not have one at all? Also, the New Tab button actually BEING a tab is just silly. It's quite unintuitive to me.
It's a little thing, but indicative of a larger usability problem:
... but one of many that when combined give the feeling of a poor product.
In the "Tabbed Browsing Settings" (from one of the screenshots), is the phrase: "Do not warn me when closing multiple tabs."
It's a check box--checked means "do", unchecked means "don't". Even the most cursory usability review would likely suggest the label be reworded to have the negative removed. It's simpler for the user, and it might make things clearer for the programmers too. (Avoid messy code like "!dontDoIt")
Like I said it's a little thing,
I wasn't aware that IE could be 'released' - previous versions were so spaghetti-string coded and tied into Windows that all you could do was try to 'integrate' it into your system and PRAY that it didn't render your OS inoperable.
It's hard for me to imagine that there's an IE7 package out there that has all the files and configuration required to run it and doesn't choke every system it's installed on. If there is, MS has come a long way.
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