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Lessons GMs Can Learn from World of Warcraft
Martin Ralya writes "As a tabletop RPG gamemaster, I've been thinking about what GMs can learn from World of Warcraft ever since I first logged in. After close to 200 hours of WoW time, I've come up with 9 lessons GMs can learn from World of Warcraft."
EVE Online can take note of 1, 2, 3....and 6 and 7.
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When I saw the headline, I thought it said "Lessons GM Can Learn from World of Warcraft"........ thought it was going to be about how WoW could help the automotive industry.
I read the article and I still dont know.
Must be very important whatever it is.
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Ah, but all the things that WOW does well aren't what makes a good role playing experiance. For instance a high fantasy game where everything is epic can be just as much fun as a low fantasy game where the conquests are small and the people real.
I think the author misses the point. The strong part of a table top role playing game is that there isn't limits. Players don't have to go and kill all those bad guys to finish the quest or complete the mission in a way the GM ever imagined. To make a table top game more like WOW would be to short change players.
1. Everything should be fun
I don't disagree with this in principle, but one player's fun is another's tedium. I know a player who loves big soap operas focused on her character... not fun for the rest of us. OTOH, I don't mind combat, but the soap opera doesn't have fun -- she thinks it's boring.
And there's a difference between working with your players, and catering to them. Sometimes the lows make the highs stand out more.
3. Travel should be easy
Not necessarily. Being able to easily go from point A to point B in a fantasy game robs both places of their uniqueness.
The inability to move quickly also sets up tension. One campaign I DM'd had the players encountering a cursed artifact, which had to be hand-carried to its destination. (Teleports were randomized.) It made the game a lot easier than "OK, we take the sky cab to the big city"
5. Every class should have lots of things to do
Again, it comes back to working with players, versus catering to them. If a player is told that the game is going to be mostly role-playing, but creates an undead-slaying machine, I don't see the DM as being responsible for throwing in numerous combat encounters with skeletons.
8. It's okay to make changes after the campaign begins
9. Err on the side of being over-the-top
It really depends on the campaign, setting, and style. I definitely wouldn't say these are "hard and fast rules".
If you needed to play WoW to learn these basically common-sense principles for GMs, I am going to have to flamebait and say that you were probably a mediocre GM before you learned all these "lessons" from an MMORPG.
Why not fork?
I already cancelled my WoW account. After level 40, the demands placed on time are really high for someone who doesn't want to do instances with pickup groups, and has no time for a guild. I did play the game for a good 7 months. Here are my thougts on this list:
"Many massively multiplayer games require that you kill endless armies of the same boring enemies to level up. You can do this in WoW, too, but the quest system is so robust and rewarding that you don't actually need to."
No, instead you can either go and kill 1 guy (and bring back some trophy), go and kill several guys until they drop the loot you want, go and talk to someone, go and get something, go and take something, or go and do several of these in a chain. The quests are pretty much the exact some gameplay wrapped up with different names and faces past level 12.
And, of course, once you reach 60, you do these for reputation purely on top of the runs into molten core to get your purple set. I hope you like loot gambling, because it is a week between instance resets, and it can be up to 4 weeks for some people to get 1 extra bit of purple gear if they play all the time.
Seriously, I could sit and play DS or GBA for hours while "playing" WoW (where playing consisted of clicking on an enemy, and then waiting for it to die; repeat). I read several novels while doing it also.
"3. Travel should be easy"
yea, and you should get your mounts at level 30. The level 30 to level 40 slog is very much punctuated by periods where I spent up to half an hour moving from one location to another in order to finish some of the mail-man style quests. That sucked.
"In nearly 200 hours of gameplay, I can count the number of times I've logged off frustrated on one hand. "
Says a person who hasn't been ganked by the elite guards that are around Southshore during a particular quest. I was killed 7 times in the space of a few minutes, and I was level 38 at the time. It wasn't fun.
"WoW's developers tweak the game through patches -- many players would say they tweak it too often, but the principle is sound: Don't be afraid to change things that aren't working,"
You know what's not working for me? Starting alts at level 1. If I'm spent the hours to get to 30, start me with a level 10 alt. If I'm 40, give me a level 15 alt. Max it out at say level 20 alts for level 60 main characters, and make it an option upon character creation. Nothing sucks like having to wade through the 20 hours of repetitive "I'm a newbie who can't play WoW" every time I want to get at alt out of the baby area and into the main part of the game.
Of course, WoW does have strengths as well.
"6. Style should shine through"
I agree here: WoW gets this right. Everything fits well together. No other MMO I've played is quite like this (except possibly Ultima Online, circa 1999).
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I'm not a WoW player, but I did play a character up to level ~11 or so, and I was BORED out of my skull. I would do a quest, and while the description might have been thorough, I wouldn't call it fun or ideal. "In order to become a master ranger, go kill 10 beetles"
That doesn't do it for me. Maybe the high-level quests are fun, but then, that's not a good system, grinding up a ladded of xp and gear, the latter being hoarded by higher levels and sold at extortionary prices just to get to the fun.
I constantly compare other MMO-style games to Guild Wars, because ANet did a great job. When you start off, you're "recruited" by Sir Tydus, and told to go train to help the Ascalon Guard repel Charr invaders.
Compare that to killing beetles. I liked WoW, although it wasn't quite my style, but there are some things that just click or don't click with players. If you like it, you like it a LOT. If not, you play something else.
Despite my opinions on WoW, I think TFA points out the good foundations for a great game.
I can understand clearly what he means, the world of online RPG - be it WoW or a NWN-Persistent World - is very compelling, especially when role playing is an important part of the game. It's clear that PnP games lack the visuals, special effects and dynamic movements of a MMO world.
That said and taking his advice into consideration, one problem still sticks out. Most pen and paper game have one GM while online games have, at least, a team of GMs - most aren't actually online all the time but they're all developing new content and quests for adhoc/preplaned parties of adventurers.
A PnP game needs to be scripted by the GM and conducted by him and that takes time and preparation, something that not all of them have.
Combat, in games, is decided in seconds (against weaker foes) but in a tabletop game, it might take a few minutes to squash a group of goblins, not to mention that combat has to be worked one player/monster at a time since the GM can only give full attention to one thing.
Good advice, but not very easily implemented without a computer with a NWN-like Aurora Toolkit to create your own fantasy world in.
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Many massively multiplayer games require that you kill endless armies of the same boring enemies to level up. You can do this in WoW, too, but the quest system is so robust and rewarding that you don't actually need to.
Of course you don't need to kill a metric fuckton of mobs in WoW to level up. However, you need to do a metric fuckton of boring repetitive quests for faction if you want to progress in the game after level 60. TB faction, city factions, Argent Dawn, Silithus (whatever the faction is called there), etc. It's nothing more than massive grind in disguise. Oh and good luck trying to get that High Warlord PvP title. Quit your job, divorce and give up kids. Then think about it.
When WoW characters group to tackle quests and dungeons, every class contributes different talents -- and every player has something fun to do. As a GM, you should design every adventure to include multiple opportunities for each PC to shine.
So what does a priest do in raids? Chaincast flash heal. Sometimes a group buff here or there. Awesome variety, zero fun. What does a warlock do? Summon others to raid then go AFK until called upon. I played both of these classes on raids, I can tell you, they are beyond boring. DPS warriors have fun because one encounter they are asked to tank and another to DPS, not to mention the warrior is hardest class to play. Rest of the classes are pretty much pigeonholed into one specific role: heal, damage or be on the borderline of useless (warlock).
By talking about classes. Nearly every game system in the 30 years after D&D first rolled out has dispensed with classes. They are a crutch for tabletop games. Online games may need them for the simplicity they bring to character generation, but they are a major limit on player creativity.
Lessons World of Warcraft Can Learn from Tabletop GMs.
Doesn't anyone else find tabletop campaigns to be a lot more fun than WoW? Every session in an adventure, managed by humans. None of that mindless questing. Obviously there's a limit to how much to can do in MMORPG fashion, which is probably why WoW is the way it is now.
1. Make sure there is a ridiculously powerful class/race combination in the game that requires absolutely no skill but that (with only five buttons) can do 350 damage per second perpetually at enormous range against other classes that have no defense whatsoever.
2. Put a race in the game whose only purpose is to be defeated by undead. Write this into at least four storylines. Celebrate the wanton destruction of a civilization that survived millenia only to be overrun by a maggot-infested gibbering rabble.
3. Require hundreds upon hundreds of hours of effort for a chance to roll on one purple item, only to be screamed at because you win.
4. Be really clever and make your "ugly" race the good guys (Cairne is Obi Wan Kenobi, Thrall is Abraham Lincoln) and make the humans led by a deranged genocidal maniac.
5. Give spellcasters the damage mitigation equivalent of a WWII destroyer.
6. Put elves in the game only so everyone else can make fun of them.
7. Put items in the game that by themselves are more powerful than a level 15 warrior.
8. Put trade skills in the game that never advance. Ever.
9. For the holidays, put Old Man Santa Winter five feet from the most crowded place on two continents.
10. Make sure all combat is designed around "make the other guy's character stop moving."
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I started playing World of Warcraft (WoW) at the end of 2005, and it's been a blast so far.
In nearly 200 hours of gameplay, I can count the number of times I've logged off frustrated on one hand.
Quick math: 49 days this year means this guy has played 4ish hours a day.
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1. Everything should be fun
Agreed. However, grinding X number of monsters because you were told to for a reward instead of grinding X number of monsters for the XP and drops does not make it fun.
2. Details matter
Generalities of gameplay matter more. The group or die mentality of the end-game is a hold over from a lame scramble to cover lack of content in early EQ that should have been designed around a long time ago rather than perpetuated like pointless mazes in text adventure games.
3. Travel should be easy
Travel should be interesting. They only have to make it easy because the travel in between is boring. It would help if they didn't purposely put each part of a quest in different areas just so the travel in between makes it longer and seem more "epic." Rather than have you travel the same routes hundreds of times give players interesting things to do along the way.
4. Item management should be simple
Item management should be non-existent. I shouldn't be spending *any* time manipulating items around as it has nothing to do with gameplay. And if you do want to put it in as some sort of limiting factor, how about taking size into account? You can't carry 10 more flowers, but hey, you can carrying that dragon's head no problem.
5. Every class should have lots of things to do
Agreed. Clearly written by someone that has not gone on raids where every class gets to do one thing. Over. And over. And over. If anything it should be written as "Every class should have unique things to do" but that doesn't hold true in WoW for all classes either.
6. Style should shine through
Gameplay should shine through more.
7. Everyone should leave every session jazzed about the game
You clearly do not constitute everyone. Ending a session after giving up with a 2 hours wait in queue for battlegrounds or looking for a pickup raid or getting tired of said pickup raid after the 8th wipe does not constitute jazzed.
8. It's okay to make changes after the campaign begins
It's better to do it right the first time.
9. Err on the side of being over-the-top
Especially when it comes to bandwidth and server capacity. Doh! Or better yet, how about don't err. Or at least don't make err's that other companies have made in the past.
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Oh, 9+ characters lvls 6-60. And done. See you in the next game that is fun until it is played out.
Define 'fun'. I once RPed with a GM who would throw in random unexpected traps and then have us figure out a way of getting out of the trap Macguver-style. It was annoying at times, but the 'solutions' we came up with sometimes were hilarous. (One time we fell down a random pit hole and 'got out' by blowing out the floor only to fall down into a -pre-arranged- pit hole on the next floor below.)
2. Details matter
Duhh...
3. Travel should be easy
Why? Its bad enough people rush through their lives between work and home, why not take things slow enjoy the adventure rather than simply the rewards at the end?
4. Item management should be simple
Again, why? We've had gamers constanting asking 'how can my character carry 20 different sets of armor in one easy to carry, lightweight, gravity-defying bag?' for years and all of the sudden now we want to get rid of it because WoW lets you do the same thing AND lets you jump? Pick a side and stick with it. (And while you're at it, why does a single, unstacked flower take up the same amount of space as a Two-handed Sword?)
5. Every class should have lots of things to do
Considering some RP groups take into consideration weather conditions (-1 to movement in snow anyone?), building architecture (stone? take cover! rotting wood? get the hell out of there!) and even the lighting conditions of a room (for those rogues out there), some people say theres TOO much to do in table-top RPing.
6. Style should shine through
Uhh, we are talking about table-top RPGs right? Last time I checked, the only 'style' there was in the storytelling and thats completely unique to the individual.
7. Everyone should leave every session jazzed about the game
Again, why? In table-top RPing, one bad saving throw can kill your character. Does this cause players to not 'leave every session jazzed about the game'? Generally, yes. Does this necessarily make the experience bad? No.
8. It's okay to make changes after the campaign begins
No, really? Most people call that reality, where things don't always go as initially planned.
9. Err on the side of being over-the-top
Again, why? If I start off on an adventure to find out what happened to a missing supply wagon of food supplies, why should I run into a goblin army or (worse) a dragon only to be rescued by a patrol of paladins or elven army coming to kill the dragon? (And no, WoW is not innocent of this as even simple 'kill X number of Y enemies' quests have been recorded to start 10+ multi-part quests. Araj the Summoner anyone?)
This guy is either a complete amature at being a table-top RP GM or a flat-out idiot. WoW is one of the WORST example of RPing there is. Alliance and Horde sides cannot communicate due to a built-in text scrambler (and 'cracking' it is a bannable offense), quests are either purposely designed to be done solo or require raid-sized groups to complete and the game is blindingly fast in comparison to any other RPG other there (table-top, console or PC).
Before WoW, I played Anarchy Online for about 6 months. I dont know what playability is like now on that, but in the initial months the networking issues and memory leaks caused the game to be virtually unplayable. I can't beleive I played AO for that long.
Before AO, I was an avid EQ player. I've logged on much much more time in EQ than WoW, but progression was much slower, but I've felt that the community in EQ was much more tight knit than in WoW (likely due to an attraction towards the older demographics of gamers). Gear in EQ was much harder earned, and people will recognize the hard work an individual went through in order to earn that epic weapon. I still miss EQ and the community it generated.
Before EQ, I was keeping up with the status of Origin and awaiting the release of Ultima Online. I think I've had the worst gaming experience with UO (in terms of stats), always being frustrated, always being PK'd (this was before OWO split the servers to PK and non-pk), trying to mine some metal, make some armor, cut some wood, all the while trying to stay alive and not lose hours and hours of work to some gang of punk kid tankmage player killers. Hopefully I'll earn a few bucks in order to get some basic gear so I can go out to adventure and kill some orcs, check out the other towns. And make sure I'm with enough people so I don't end up being another victim of someone looking for a cheap kill for easy loot. If you weren't careful, people can break into your house and strip it clean the next time you log in. Life in UO was a bitch, and you had to play HARD in order to simply survive. Wimps were relegated to the cities and barely left the borders.
My fondest memories of all MMORPG's are all from UO, but I've had the most fun playing WoW (the same type of fun I experience when I play Counterstrike). WoW is an extremely polished online game. But IMHO, WoW has even less roleplaying elements than it's RTS predecessors (you know, warcraft). WoW is simply an FPS draped in RPG elements. If you plan on PvPing in WoW, you better know your combat gametheory (and have all your action commands binded to shortcut keys for quick access). If you plan on PvEing in WoW, the better you know your combat gametheory against mobs, the faster you can grind. If you plan on joining end game raids, the smoother communication you have amongst your raid group, the less likely chance you have of wiping. Enough gametheory and time devotion will grant you certain notoriety in your local WoW server as a powergamer.
In UO, you weren't well known in your local server unless you were VERY famous (i.e. Hulkamania, Xavori, Imanewbie). All the powergamers wore cheap robes over their insane gear in order to hide their 'true abilities.' There was an element of distrust and deception in UO, and visual clues gave away nothing. But simply due to the fact that your actions can affect the servers you were on means there was a level of immersion that exists in UO that doesn't exist in current MMORPGS. For example, players got together to create their own player run cities. They built everything themselves, the buildings, furniture, everything.
The problem with permanence in the world is that it's easily exploitable. For several months, there was a land shortage as everybody and their mother went to plant their own house on any plot of land they could find. The number of houses were so many it began to affect gameplay against the rest of the world (random mobs that spawn in the world started to spawn in the houses, which were of course locked, which means you wouldn't run into it). Future MMORPG designers saw that and decided that players cannot have their own houses in the world. That's the start of it. They've whittled down everything that made a rolep
Travel should be easy
Travel may be easy in WoW, but it sure is boring, and takes a rather long time. That was my main beef with WoW, why do I have to go through the same animated sequence time and time again.
4. Item management should be simple
6. Style should shine through
7. Everyone should leave every session jazzed about the game
8. It's okay to make changes after the campaign begin
A lot of these lessons are really just traits of the game system. A game system will encourage a certain style of play and if that style is not something you can groove to, then the experience won't be that great. So perhaps the real lesson here is use a system that rocks, and your game will be great.
For an intresting article on this concept please read http://www.indie-rpgs.com/_articles/system_does_ma tter.html
It would be nice if someone combined the scale of WoW with some of the advantages of tabletop gaming.
I mean, have a full time staff of the sort of people who work at the renn fairs actually playing the major NPCs and monsters.
Imagine that if your raid got to the lower depths of Molten core and instead of a scripted encounter there were actual players behind the monsters.
NWN has a DM mode you can do, but I haven't heard of anything like this applied on an MMO scale. I can just see a lot of room for a more real experience.
Heck, even make a it a tiered system where valued members of the community can enter the lower npc ranks with different functions in return for a waive of the monthly fee.
I just see all of the great player-created worlds that blend almost seamlessly in some MUDs I've played, and I can't help wondering what neat things you could do to match those with a modern MMO.
I really think the "9 lessons learned from WoW" are rather obvious. I think that 200 hours playing wow is nothing, and is probably why the article stinks. Lack of actual experience. I have 45 days sunk into one character. 200 hours is not enough time spent to full understand all the aspects of WoW. While I think it is a great game, and I USED to enjoy it. There are flaws that show themselves after spending so much time playing. The comments about purple items taking months to get is correct, and it does suck, it does also make them more valuable. The main flaw with WoW is the players themselves. Big guilds always split. I have been through enough drama from that game that it will last me a lifetime. Another flaw is it needs and end. They keep releasing new tiers of items. How many times can they change the boss or the instance before you just see its one big item grind for no reason other then bragging rights. I saw a post about how the new gate requiring items to open is just a way to delay people getting the new gear and just buys GM's time..and its true. They really have nothing new to offer. I hate the reputation system. You play one character get exaulted after spending days of game time and your next character needs to do the same. I also agree that your characters need to start at a higher lever. I have so many lowbie characters i cant level just because I have done all those quests so many times is annoying. You also need more freedom in moving characters from server to server. The PVP system is flawed in the fact that any n00b with no job and school can sit and play AB( even AFK ) and get to the top ranks. I could go on about how this game is flawed, but I choose to stop here.
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Eberron
* The all-new Pontiac Gryphon.
* Put up hot new cars at auction on late Friday afternoons, so that those who want to buy a new car to show off to their friends later that night and over the weekend will want to snap them up immediately.
* The totally-redesigned Chevy Mechanostrider. (A subcompact.)
* Lobby governments to raise the driving age to 40.
* Replace warning lights on dashboard with the phrases "u left key in ign kthx," "0ut 0f wip3r fluid!!!", "buff m3 w/ 0il plz," and "LFG >91 Oct."
* All cars will ship with Goblin(TM) Jumper Cables XL. (No guarantees on them actually doing any good.)
* 40-main raids on the super high-level Japan instance. Watch out for the Toyota and Honda boss encounters!
And, the number-one lesson GM can learn from WoW:
* To paraphrase Henry Ford: "You can paint it any color, so long as it's rouge."
Bah, that's nothing! In the original Baldur's Gate, I'd played a total of over 200 game days. Even excluding the time required to switch disks and load the next map section and the parts of the game that were replayed because I died, time paused during combat, etc. that's over 400 hours of game play. I'd guess it's closer to 600 hours when you consider everything else.
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All the more startling when you consider that such a number of game hours were completed in a single semester of college, and that the total game hours represents a full 25 days of gaming (provided I didn't eat, sleep, take baths, or anything other than BG). Considering I did do all those things, plus go to class, I pretty much spent every damn spare minute on that cursed but delightful game...
Which isn't to say I'm more hardcore than you are, by any means.
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Read "Diamond Age"? They have something very similar. Actors around the world, brought together by broadband and good VR, acting out mini-parts on a just-in-time schedule. It's a neat concept that is fleshed out a bit more by Neal Stephenson.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinions, but not his own facts.
He's listing all the good things about WoW that can apply to face-to-face roleplayers. You think that's whining?
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"But the quests I've done this session included curing a sick girl who went right back to sleep, killing some people because they were stomping on the grass, keeping some courier from getting robbed by highway bandits, and fighting crocodiles for handbags. None of these were particularly "over the top." None even left any impression on the world at all. They barely registered an impression on me."
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These I view as flavour quests. Much like the flavour text of the goblins (stationed at the Lordaeron ruins) who ask you to bring back some nice meat from Orgrimmar, they add a certain sense of being in the game.
The big thing working against this is how none of it is at all randomized or meaningful in the greater scheme. Everytime any character of the correct level happens through that path, the same girl will be there who is being attacked by bandits. Everytime. There is no time you will come across the same NPC who is happy because someone else saved her (or will even mention the name of the person!). Your actions have no lasting effect on the world, making the MMO part of WoW be neutered into playing the Warcraft 3 RPG levels with a world-chat system.
I don't think it would be so hard to increase the # of quests about 4x, and then make it so that they run on different, random timers, so that each playthrough (since all your alts are exactly the same) could have a randomized encounter, or that you could interact with the consequences of other people's encounters.
Perhaps the entire world could be set on a 4-month timer, where everything boils to a head. Over time, as it reset, things could be changed as well. A chance to spend 4 months carving my name across a continent, regardless of my level, would certainly provide me with incentive to play (much more so than the creative guild loot point system the other replier mentioned).
WoW has a lot of potential because the company seems to have more in mind than just killing rats in a tunnels, but so far it's been Diablo on a much larger scale in terms of gameplay. I find myself appreciating Gradius and Ikaruga much more after playing WoW for most of 2005 -- they're short and sweet
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Two of my hobbies include tabletop GMing and staffing at a MUSH. A MUSH, for those who aren't aware, is a text based roleplaying game. As staff, I help maintain the code, look over character applications, handle XP spend requests, and (most importantly) devise and GM plots for the players.
It's a fairly popular game. We get around 50-70 people during peak hours, and the most important thing you can learn when running a game in a MUSH is that MUSH is NOTHING like tabletop. Some things carry over, but if you tried to run a tabletop game like a MUSH or vice versa, you would fall flat on your face. Most of the conventions don't work (Combat, for instance, needs to be in short and intense bursts, otherwise it takes too long.)
I have a lot of trouble believing that a MMORPG... especially a self-proclaimed lowest common denominator MMORPG, is going to offer me lessons for my tabletop game. If anything, the suggestions from TFA help to cheapen a tabletop game. Fast and effortless travel?? What sort of messed up GMs does this guy have? Travel is part of the adventure.
In short: Nothing to see here, move along. People who don't know better walk among us... and apparently they both write and suggest really lame stories to slashdot.
> As a tabletop RPG gamemaster, I've been thinking about
> what GMs can learn from World of Warcraft ever since I
> first logged in. After close to 200 hours of WoW time,
> I've come up with 9 lessons GMs can learn from World of Warcraft.
Here's five more, courtesy of the Imp:
1. People will perform boring, repetitive tasks ad infinitum if you give them little rewards. Note to self: figure out way to make lad enjoy and remember to take the trash out each week.
2. Giving something a glowing green, blue, or purple label will make them drool. See also: yellow, gold label. Note to self: re-wrap packages of broccoli and Brussels sprouts in shiny gold foil.
3. Mini-games like throwing a snowball or medicine ball, or leaping high into the air and turning into a snowman can entertain for hours. Note to self: raid bargain bin at CompUSA, splice in calls to said games via !shell commands to some 3D game with a scripting engine, and direct child's face to new "game" the way Benny Hill redirect's the lilolman's face, turning it with both hands then slapping him on the back of the head.
4. After 80 years of moving at a snail's pace, gaining a hideously expensive horse that lets you move at 1.5 x a snail's pace is, for some reason, considered awesome. Note to self: all he needs is a rusty 10 speed, not a car. Put green bow on it with gold foil lettering, "Awesum-o Speed Demon!"
5. Miniscule, statistically insignificant bonuses are slobbered over due to mathematical illiteracy. Note to self: Also add "+5 Iron -- Increases Strength" in shiny purple foil to broccoli, Brussels sprouts
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Im sorry 200 hours, first char and not even level 60?
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/played was 200 days, that would be helpful.
I dont think you are in position to judge the game yet
Now if your
Some DMs care about consistency, and some will constantly fudge the rules to arbitrarily reward or punish their players. I prefer the former.
A lot of D&D players are obnoxiously and stubbornly argumentative. That's certainly no virture. But a lot of D&D players resent people who know the rules, because it reminds them that they really just want a game where they're omnipotent and the challenges are meaningless.
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10: Make your friends wait outside of your house for hours before you let them in to play.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's great, I don't play it, but this article has maybe 2-3 lines og real advice for PnP GM's.
To me it seems like the author is more interested in promoting WoW, than doing what the article title said the article was about.
there is a forum-based role-playing game online called santharia - my best friend is nuts about it. It is pretty much like tabletop, except it consists of mainly roleplaying and very little actual statistics, eg no dice rolling for damage etc. Actually, it's more like co-authoring a book, almost. I realise this is probably not what you mean, but is pretty cool all the same. (they have designed a whole world)
my friend (who had to quit due to a new job and new city) said that you should play your characters to lvl 20 before making any decisions on races or even likely the game itself... and i found that to be OH so true, even on my first, pretty weak character. the world, your abilities and just things in general start to open up at level 16-18 and are just beginning to get fun at 20. i'd suggest giving it one more month. it's a blast! the only reason i'm not playing is due to a hardware shuffle that's left me waiting for a decent, affordable vid card (7600GT/GS, go go go)
WoW DOES a lot of things right, but most gamers will burn through all of its wit and charm far before they stop playing it, as I did. You will hit a wall where the only way to advance your character is through itemization, and if you choose to follow that path you're in for a long and repetitive grind where you kill the same monsters over and over again clawing for reputation points or hoping on a random drop. This part of the game is not fun, but it is HIGHLY addictive and what the majority of long-term WoW players do. I have almost 1500 hours played on my main character SINCE I hit the level cap doing just that, more than twice the time I spent getting him to that level PLUS my time played across ALL other characters.
But then again, maybe that's what makes a "successfull" MMO.
He basically talks about the start game in WoW, not about the endgame tar pit.
Yes, WoW starts fun and ends up just a repetitve mindless chore to keep you busy while you're still in the "but I'll lose my level 60 uber-char and all my online 'friends' if I quit!" denial stage. (Which, btw, starts with a rationalization stage along the lines of: "this is, uh, the meat of the game, really. I'm only doing it because, uh, it's _fun_ to spend 2 hours waiting for everyone to log on, to do the same raid for the 50'th time, and use the same 3 icons total on that toolbar." So if anyone plans to answer that, save your breath, I've heard that rationalization in-game a thousand times, and invariably it progresses to the next stage after a while. For some it just takes longer. Basically, I already know humans are great at rationalizing why they take crap.)
Blizzard can't put infinite content in the game, so basically they distributed the most of it where it matters: in the beginning, when you get addicted to their game. And it gradually goes downhill to the endgame point where you're given 2-3 raids to do over and over again. At that endgame point, the game basically already ended, they just won't outright admit it. Because if they admitted it, you'd cancel your account and stop paying for the next month too. That's all.
It's called resource management, basically: they used their resources where it makes them the most income. And only started worrying about the next 10 levels (which by the sound of it might just be an even more unholy grind for people who _really_ don't know when to give up) when they had enough level 60 people who just won't quit, so adding something for those might actually make a financial difference.
But to get back to the article, that's not what he means there. A tabletop GM doesn't have to have the _whole_ adventure prepared in advance. A GM doesn't have to give you the same raid over and over again at the end, just because that's where his game stops. If you've just finished an adventure, the GM is supposed to come up with a new one, not just send you to do the last dungeon again.
So basically I'm guessing is that he meant that GM's should learn from WoW's first half of the game, not from the grind after WoW's game already ended.
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You'd be surprised how many people _are_ too unimaginative to be a good GM.
And it's not just some 14 year old GM-ing in his spare time with his buddies, but there are some big names in the MMO industry who don't get those points either.
E.g., having recently reactivated my EQ2 account, it amazes me that Sony just doesn't get it either. You can tell that, in all that clueless thrashing through random changes to the game, they're _desperate_ to copy whatever magical element WoW has, and preferrably one-up it. But they just don't get it.
You can tell looking through their change logs that they expect it to be some lone disparate element (like "hmm, maybe our crafting was too complicated?" or "hmm, maybe we could simplify the classes too?") that they can stick into the non-unified heap that is their game, and instantly have a WoW equivalent. They just blatantly don't get for example point 2 on that list: details matter. There is no magic amulet you can stick into a heap of disparate parts and instantly have a polished product. Yet that's just what Sony is feverishly trying to achieve.
And even when someone points out to them that lack of a unified vision, like Penny Arcade did recently about the EQ2 graphics, they'll just get a flame email from SOE telling them to STFU if they don't have their graphics in a major commercial game. Again, like Penny Arcade got.
And just to give an example of why PA is right, it's not just that Sony stuck together graphics that don't belong together. It's that they also ran it all through some "look what we can do!" shaders and whatnot that just make it all worse. E.g.,
- the more I play it, the more it becomes obvious to me that they _must_ have some depth-of-field effect, because the graphics just go blurry with the distance faster than mip-maps and filtering should cause them to. At any rate, faster than in any other game. Playing the game makes me feel like I've suddenly gotten a bad case of myopia.
- the textures may be right, but just about everything has a gloss effect that just doesn't belong there. Everything looks like the same kind of molded plastic once any kind of dynamic lighting enters the scene. Whether it's a rock or tree or a deer or a weaver's loom, everything looks like plastic.
- water surface effects also snag the edges of objects in _front_ of the water and smear them around (basically incompetently written shaders again)
- and while I'm playing on a very high end machine, I still can't help wonder about the idiocy of using exclusively shaders for texture details instead of detail textures, and offering no fall-back to detail textures. So basically there is no middle ground. Everyone who doesn't have a high end machine won't see it as slightly worse graphics, but will see it all looking like _ass_.
- the lower part of any breastplate or long coat is attached to the pants model, not where it belongs. Why does it matter? Because if you wear pants that aren't from the exact same set, it looks like your coat changes colour in the middle. (And the recent "fix" of just giving newbies a sorta "disguise" vest that overrides the pants, gloves, sleeves and everything, is just another way to feel wrong. It tells me that someone finally realized the problem. Except instead of fixing the actual problem, they've just tried sweeping it under the carpet at least for levels 1-9 with a cheap quick-and-dirty hack.)
That's just some of the details noone paid attention to after more than a year in the graphics department alone.
But the list of wrong or inconsistent details goes deeper and pervades every single aspect of the game. E.g., only now they seem to have finally fixed fish so they swim _in_ the water, instead of hovering _above_ the water. E.g., only now fish actually stop at the border of the water instead of chasing you on land too. But the list is mile long, so I'll stop here.
And that was just point 2. Rest assured that they missed most of the other points on that list by a mile too. I just
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A GM is basically a support person who you page when things go horribly wrong in the game that normal mechanics can't fix. A lot of what he posted doesn't relate to them at all but to other areas of the game (eg. Events people, Developers, etc) .
For example in 99.99% of all MMOGs step 1 where a GM organizes an event normally means that 100's of players get slaughtered for the GMs pleasure. Fun for the first 1-2 times.
The biggest problem with MMOG's is their insistence on combining character progression with PvP.
Where a one month old character can insta-kill a one week old character, a two month old character can insta-kill a one month old... and completely disregard of the player skill level.
Oh, I'm not gonna say Blizzard has done bad for itself. In fact, I'll call their whole design nothing short of brilliant.
I've compared it before to boiling a frog alive, and lemme just recap that idea quickly. They say that if you drop a frog into a pot of hot water, it will hop right out. But if you put it into cool water and just very gradually turn up the heat it will stay there and get boiled alive.
Blizzard's model is just a brilliant implementation of that. In the beginning they put you in a place where the game is great, quests are aplenty, rewards come often, you see new content all the time, and it's all game and no filler (e.g., I don't think anyone spent more than 5 minutes just travelling within Northshire at any given time). And you're as happy as a frog in a pool of nice cool water. Maybe cooking pot shaped, but wth, I'm sure it's just the naysayers and whiners blowing that out of proportion, right?
And that's what gets people addicted.
And from there it just very very slowly goes downhill in all aspects. There is constantly just a little more grind, just a little less often rewards, just a little more filler (e.g., travel time or waiting to get a group) and less game, just a little less new content seen in an average day, etc. And just because it's just so slightly less comfortable than before, you don't jump out.
Until a point where it's all grind and no game, all filler and no new content, and you still pay them the monthly fee.
And I'll call that design nothing short of brilliant. I know that it's not Blizzard's invention. Like everything else, Blizzard didn't "invent" much, but took ideas from other companies and polished them into a perfect gem. Same here. They took the boiling-a-frog recipe and polished it into an _amazing_ master-chef recipe.
Even the end-game grind, if your purpose is just to take some people's money for as long as possible is brilliant. Considering that at that point most of the motivation is "but I'll lose my uber-character if I quit", Blizzard did a master work of making that separation even more painful. They gave you something _really_ uber to lose. Now it's suddenly "but I already have an epic horse and, umm, half the <insert class>'s epic equipment! I surely only need a few more instance raids to win the rest! I can't quit now!" (Ok, so the probabilities say it's only a few hundred more raids, but certainly you feel all lucky and the end boss will drop those boots right this evening. Right?)
Absolutely brilliant that. Getting people addicted and then keeping on raking in their money even past the point where they're having any fun or getting any new content... I can only admire the extreme perfection they're refined that to. They have all my respect, and they certainly deserve all that money.
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WoW is fantastic from levels 1-60, the best MMORPG on the market by FAR. Endgame is unfortunately just like every other MMORPG, it will bore you out of your skull. From 1-60 you are a star, a hero, a standout. At 60 you are again just like everyone else, you wait in lines for the best items. You do Molten Core and other high level instances hundreds of times with 40 other people. You fade into the background of a communist society of heroes who must work together for the betterment of the hive.
I have led (mastered, I guess...) role-playing games for over, christ it is 20 years now. I have played a little EQ and a little WoW. Neither one of them do much for me as they are no closer to my idea of role-playing than any other non-MMO video game, so why pay the month fee to hear 'elves' spew hate speech?
Anyway, the list would seem to support my initial impressions because I feel a few of the points are completely off base.
3. Travel should be easy
I could not disagree with this more. This would be a big mark against someone I was playing with that they were a less than top-notch GM. First, it makes your world less massive. NOTHING gets my players more in the gut then when they "return home" and have to get their brains around the fact that everything has moved on for the past 2 years. You play and play and play. Then, you return to base. The players go to the bar and find that it has been closed down for the past 18 months. Yah, having a sky chariot would have made things easier...
Travel is never, ever simple. Overcoming travel are the hallmarks of the great strides of humanity. Travel is always an adventure in itself. Man, I cannot believe this was even suggested. It makes my little geek-brain do flips.
You have to make it meaningful and game-worthy, but nothing is sillier to me as a GM than hearing, "Ok, it takes you 12 months to get there, you cross a desert and two mountain ranges. So, what do you do?"
4. Item management should be simple
Spoken like a true video gamer. Yah, I would love to always have my sword of +10 dragon slaying, but having left it back home because it I already had 4 other blades is far more meaningful. Weight matters, items matter, realism matters. Yah, the PCs may gush over you for letting them have 3 pages of items on their back with instant access at any time, but they will far more respect your game if they have to figure out how to overcome. And, it is always their call, not mine. If you want to keep track of a dozen different weapons, knock your socks off, but you are going to have to do it because I am not going to let you whip out of thin air whichever one strikes your fancy at the moment.
5. Every class should have lots of things to do
Spoken like a rules-twinkie and/or a video gamer. In my games, you can do anything. Each class has skills and abilities, but you are only limited by your imagination. This "rule" would be another mark against this person as a high-quality GM at my table, if you have to come up with rules for people to do, you got issues that no rule book is going to fullfill.
If the author is suggesting creating story elements where every PC's class can provide some unique and specific advantage and/or aid, then that is pretty much common sense DMing from the first issue of Dragon on.
7. Everyone should leave every session jazzed about the game
Of course they should...what kind of rule is this? That is like saying, "A good director is one who has audiences who enjoy his films." Uh, duh.
8. It's okay to make changes after the campaign begins
I tend to disagree with this one a bit. First, a feeling of time and progression is a BIG draw in my games and the #1 reson why players tell me they elect me to 'master.' If something needs changing, (you inadvertently unleashed some Monty Haul weapon) then, by all means address it, but never, EVER start out a session with, "Alright guys, I have to change some stuff I said last time..." Have it stolen. Have it lost. Have an ubber-demon appear to reclaim what is rightfully his, but never "change" things.
I started playing WoW on release day. I've never had a character hit level 60, and I've only actually ran through five instances, three of which I've only visited once. I'm a very casual gamer.
But I have several friends who also started playing on day one. I asked one of them how much time had been logged on his main character alone. the answer? 80 full days. He also has some alts. i didn't ask about them.
Four hours a day might sound excessive, but for MMORPG it's not that unusual. Some people are locked into an addiction cycle.
For many, though, WoW IS having a life. Hey - at least it's socialization. It's not a life I would choose for myself, but it's the new millenium. The old definitions aren't complete. A virtual life is better than none at all.
I'm not much of a table top RPGer but I always went by the acronym DM, as GM has too many parallels in the real world. . .
disclaimer: I've been known to store numbers in my ass for which to dig out when quantities are required.