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Researchers Create Artificial Insect Eye

maxzilla writes "An artificial insect eye that could be used in ultra-thin cameras has been developed by scientists in the US.The dimpled eye, contains over 8,500 hexagonal lenses packed into an area the size of a pinhead. The dome-shaped structure, described in the journal Science, is similar to a bee's eye. The researchers, from the University of California, Berkeley, say the work may also shed light on how insects developed such complex, visual systems. Darpa is also funding this project with applications expected for digital cameras and high speed motion detectors."

140 comments

  1. Apple's All Seing Screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Isn't the article posted this week about Apple's All Seeing Monitor somewhat like this?

  2. Hooray! by Sathias · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now we won't have to provide blind insects with guide dogs!

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    1. Re:Hooray! by Simon+Garlick · · Score: 1, Funny

      Hold on, I thought eyes were so complex and amazing that they could only have been created by GAWD?

    2. Re:Hooray! by Adriax · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Phew, that's good, the dog's sensitive noses were having problems with the lawyer's natural oders.

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    3. Re:Hooray! by Fred_A · · Score: 1, Redundant

      It just confirms that god currently works as a scientist in the US. Something we've known for a long time really... ;)

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    4. Re:Hooray! by IAmTheDave · · Score: 0
      Hold on, I thought eyes were so complex and amazing that they could only have been created by GAWD?

      Not "GAWD", but an an intelligent being of some sort. Just like these eyes, created by (in my book, anyway) a team of seriously intelligent beings.

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    5. Re:Hooray! by IAmTheDave · · Score: 1
      Belief in god = retardation

      Tell that to the thousands of scientists who believe in God. Tell that to all of the evolutionists that believe in God. Believing in God doesn't mean believing in ID or creationism.

      Belief that you are better than everyone else because you are an aethist = sophmoric self-aggrandizing hubris.

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    6. Re:Hooray! by somersault · · Score: 1

      ooh that's really logical, well done

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    7. Re:Hooray! by astralbat · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Hold on, I thought eyes were so complex and amazing that they could only have been created by GAWD?

      No, it was the Flying Spaghetti Monstor, silly!

    8. Re:Hooray! by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      Belief in god = retardation

      Completely aside from the flamebait aspect of this statement, you have it arse about. As logical construct, it should go:

      retardation = Belief in god.

      Try not to confuse cause and effect.

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    9. Re:Hooray! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, a being so intelligent it puts your breathing tube and eating tube in the same hole. very smart.

    10. Re:Hooray! by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      A being so intelligent that it ran the retina nerves in front of the retina, and then programmed complex compensation systems to make the shadows that the nerves cast on the retina disappear from perception. Somebody thinking about it would have just run the nerves over the back of the retina instead. If you saw something like this in a software system, you'd say WTF.

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    11. Re:Hooray! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Belief in god = retardation

      The Slashdot Scientific/Acadamia Aetheist Community at work again I see. Somehow it's logical for them to come to the conclusion that the idea of a creator is due to stupidity or a lack of education, yet they're not smart enough to figure out it's a good idea to hedge their bets and keep the belief as an option. Should the creator exist, he probably won't look too kindly on someone who called his believers retards. This is just a guess. You keep believing in water on hot rocks as the creation of life, I'll continue to believe in God.

    12. Re:Hooray! by nemik · · Score: 1

      I know, when I read about this amazing new research, I was simply bug-eyed.

    13. Re:Hooray! by IAmTheDave · · Score: 1
      A being so intelligent that it ran the retina nerves in front of the retina, and then programmed complex compensation systems to make the shadows that the nerves cast on the retina disappear from perception. Somebody thinking about it would have just run the nerves over the back of the retina instead. If you saw something like this in a software system, you'd say WTF.

      Well, as far as I'm aware, natural selection and evolution also favor survival of the fittest. Better genes survive generations. Opposable thumbs better - they're in.

      So if the eye is so overly complex, so crazy in its execution, how is it that evolution selected complexity as a model for more fit for continuation down the gene lines? Seems to me that this complexity isn't something that would randomly occur as the rest of evolution was favoring improvements to the model.

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    14. Re:Hooray! by JohnFluxx · · Score: 1

      I'm not entirely sure if you're seriously or not, but just in case..

      The general overview of this is called hill climbing. Imagine you want to find and climb the tallest hill. Consider this tallest hill as been akin to the 'best design'. So you start of from some point, and you just climb up hill. You could end up at the top of some hill, but not the highest. So what you do is you go up the hill 2/3rd's of the time, and down the hill 1/3rd of the time. It's not a great algorithm but it is more likely to find you a taller hill. Simplifying, this is sort of how evolution works.

      If you want to read more, google for hill climbing algorithms and read up on simulated annealing etc.

    15. Re:Hooray! by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      Your mental gymnastics to make that fit inside your head are absolutely fascinating to watch.

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    16. Re:Hooray! by binarysins · · Score: 1

      Apparently not everyone agrees.

    17. Re:Hooray! by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      Right. Morons think that the backwards retina is a good idea. The site you linked to is the Institute for Creation Research. In other words, they are comedians as well as poor engineers.

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    18. Re:Hooray! by MrNixon · · Score: 1

      Haha.... from the link: "The eye's design actually appears to be optimized around the physical limits of the visible light spectrum"

      Of course it is. That's why we call it the visible light spectrum. Because we can see it. Thus making it visible. If we could see more of the spectrum, then we'd call that visible too, and our eyes would be 'optimized around that spectrum.

      Seriously. This sort of circular logic is the reason I've stopped listening to the ID folks. I just smile, nod, and say "I have to go over there now."

    19. Re:Hooray! by binarysins · · Score: 1

      I didn't say who they were or cast any value judgement on the belief, I just mentioned that not everyone agrees.

    20. Re:Hooray! by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1
      This sort of circular logic is the reason I've stopped listening to the ID folks. I just smile, nod, and say "I have to go over there now."

      That's too bad, avoiding them doesn't stop them from blasting their nonsense all over the local public perception.

      At least for family & friends, if no one else, I do my best to try and show exactly how misinformed and outright deceptive the "arguments" from these kinds of idiots are (gets pretty heated since a few of my relatives are fundies "lite")-:

      At the very least, they avoid talking about those subjects at family gatherings (at least in my presence :-)

  3. And for their next trick... by unitron · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "Researchers Create Artificial Insect Eye"

    When will they be getting around to the rest of the artificial insect?

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    1. Re:And for their next trick... by Dr.+GeneMachine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why build artificial insects when you can remote control cockroaches?

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    2. Re:And for their next trick... by Bendejo · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      They already have those... thousands of them in fact, in Windows XP.

    3. Re:And for their next trick... by RockWolf · · Score: 1

      *shrugs* Do both - that way you can see where you're going, and the other cockroaches won't laugh when their abducted egg-mate returns with the direction sense of a bot from CS 1.0. :P

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    4. Re:And for their next trick... by Compuser · · Score: 5, Funny

      They mention swallowing a diagnostic tool
      to see the insides of your stomach. The tool
      would have this lens, some imaging chip and
      a wireless link.
      Now imagine swallowing a cockroach...

    5. Re:And for their next trick... by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Interesting

      When will they be getting around to the rest of the artificial insect?

      In his book The Age of Spiritual Machines , futurist Ray Kurzweil ventures that the transformation of humans from flesh-and-blood to total machine bodies will start with small augmentations like this, proceeding step by step until everything original is replaced.

    6. Re:And for their next trick... by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In his book The Age of Spiritual Machines , futurist Ray Kurzweil ventures that the transformation of humans from flesh-and-blood to total machine bodies will start with small augmentations like this, proceeding step by step until everything original is replaced.

      That's pretty good, and natural. After all only then we'll be in power to control out own destiny. Of course I don't see the brain being replaced in the near 100-200 years, not just for technical, but also religious, political and moral reasons.

    7. Re:And for their next trick... by diablomonic · · Score: 1

      hehehe I thought your comment was s'posed to be a poem because of the format, and spent a good 30 seconds trying to figure out the timing hehe

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    8. Re:And for their next trick... by somersault · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the only thing that would stop people using artificial brains would be technical limitations, as well as being scared that they won't really be them once they're copied.. and in effect, moving to an artificial brain would kill you, even if you then lived forever. That maybe comes under 'religious', but the fact remains that you would be dead, unless you could transfer your 'ghost' a lá GitS

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    9. Re:And for their next trick... by somersault · · Score: 1

      though, saying that, if you replaced the brain a piece at a time, then you would likely still be 'alive', and you would still be you.. you wouldnt have to cut off your own brain functions, just slowly replace them.. and you wouldnt notice the difference.. :s freaky .. guess to do it properly you'd have to have nanites replacing every neuron in your brain one at a time.. such a strange idea.. there isn't really any difference between a simulated and a real neuron, in function at least..

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    10. Re:And for their next trick... by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Why not? A simple plastic one should suffice. It's not like most people use it.

      It will be the people with religious, political, and moral objections that will be the first ones to have their brains replaced (or at least modified) anyway.

    11. Re:And for their next trick... by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the only thing that would stop people using artificial brains would be technical limitations, as well as being scared that they won't really be them once they're copied.. and in effect, moving to an artificial brain would kill you, even if you then lived forever. That maybe comes under 'religious', but the fact remains that you would be dead, unless you could transfer your 'ghost' a lá GitS

      A brain is not a hard drive you can copy, i.e. the very structure of the device is the information and mechanism of the device - this is how our brains work.

      Therefore you can't separate the brain into mechanism and data, which data can be copied.

      What I really meant was not copying yourself into a PC brain, but augmenting and gradually replacing your brain with artificial extensions, or deciding to get a robo brain kid instead of one with a real brain :D and so on

    12. Re:And for their next trick... by Trouvist · · Score: 1

      They already do this. Except it just takes pictures periodically and stores them.

    13. Re:And for their next trick... by somersault · · Score: 1

      yes, I addressed that in my other post, I know that the structure is the brain in the same way that cuts in silicon wafer make up a processor.

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    14. Re:And for their next trick... by ozbird · · Score: 1

      They mention swallowing a diagnostic tool to see the insides of your stomach.

      As the song goes: "I don't know why she swallowed the e-fly. Perhaps she'll die."

    15. Re:And for their next trick... by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      But when are they going to build a device to control Keith Richards http://www.keithrichards.com/ so we can remote control both species that will survive the nuclear holocaust????

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    16. Re:And for their next trick... by Dr.+GeneMachine · · Score: 1
      My lab is at your service.... Muhaahahaaaa...

      Seriously... Who is going to control them after the nuclear holocaust, when only Keith and the roaches are left? Better equip a roach, so that it can remote control Keith.

      *Goes back to his lab and starts drawing schematics.

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    17. Re:And for their next trick... by CFTM · · Score: 1

      Whose to say that the topography of the brain could not be digitized and represented in the form of 1's and 0's. We don't know what the limitations are, but certainly nothing on the horizon would lead me to believe that we will do this in my lifetime. The flying machine took 500 years, maybe the digital brain will only take 250.

    18. Re:And for their next trick... by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Of course I don't see the brain being replaced in the near 100-200 years, not just for technical, but also religious, political and moral reasons.

      Religion, politics, and morality will most likley be the main reasons people do switch to artificial brains.

      Especially if the "other side" has got em.

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  4. Tables Turn by d'alz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So we are competing with nature now. Very soon the blind will have a better option at vision and the rest of us will be scrambling in the dark. That would be a funny sight.

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    1. Re:Tables Turn by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Funny
      Very soon the blind will have a better option at vision and the rest of us will be scrambling in the dark.
      It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye...

      Then they get fitted with a broad-spectrum robo-eye & hunt you down in the middle of the night.
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  5. I'll be impressed by Physician · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll be impressed when they can transplant this eye into a poor blind insect.

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    1. Re:I'll be impressed by bazald · · Score: 1

      If you would RTFA, you would realize that their goal is to create an innovative camera using a lens based on the design of an insect eye - not to help insects who have lost an eye...

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    2. Re:I'll be impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you would RTGPP, you would realize he was making a fucking joke.

    3. Re:I'll be impressed by Fred_A · · Score: 4, Funny

      Typical of those egoistical scientists. Always out to make a quick buck when they could do something useful helping out crippled insects. Bastards.

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    4. Re:I'll be impressed by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 5, Funny
      Actually they tried that but the testing was rather difficult.

      Doc: Can you read the top line on the chart?
      Insect: Zzzzzzz.

      Doc: Now the third line.
      Insect: Zzzzzzz.

      Doc: [Sigh] And the bottonm one, please.
      Insect: Zzzzzzz.

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    5. Re:I'll be impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it'll probably be only the RICH insects that will get this technology.

    6. Re:I'll be impressed by dstewart · · Score: 1

      I must object to your use of the word "crippled" when referring to insects with disabilities. In the future, try to use "insect first" language, such as "Cricket who is visually impaired."

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    7. Re:I'll be impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doc: Can you read the top line on the chart?
      Insect: Zzzzzzz.


      That's why you should never buy bargain-basement eye charts!

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  6. Is it end of blindness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Relevant stories has been on slashdot before here and here where scientists have successfully developed artificial eyes and implanted.

    The question, I want to ask is, is it still in research phase or professional services will start becoming available, when and how much it might cost?

    There is pool of blind people in developing countries like India, China and so on. The inofrmation might be useful for them too.

    [Posting anonymously to avoid karma whoring]

    1. Re:Is it end of blindness? by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The question, I want to ask is, is it still in research phase or professional services will start becoming available, when and how much it might cost?

      The problem is all these are misleading. Articles about wiring cameras to the eye nerves, artificial eyes and so on are coming down the pipe for years now. I remember not less than 4 years ago articles about artificial eyes that can help blind people.

      In most cases, the misleading sytarts right at the source, where for PR reasons the achievement is blown out of proportion for PR reasons, to justify the spent resources and time, and back them when they request more funds for continuing their research.

      Frequently also the media tag on catchy "breaking news" titles to make their articles more interesting.

      A recent example is for example the computerised machine guns that disarms rockets that get close to a tank.. That was "marketed" as a magical energy shield around tanks.. Comment withheld..

    2. Re:Is it end of blindness? by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      [...] where for PR reasons the achievement is blown out of proportion for PR reasons [...]

      And the PR people work in the Department of Redundancy Department?

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    3. Re:Is it end of blindness? by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      And the PR people work in the Department of Redundancy Department?

      Yes, however, I really wish the there are less grammar/sentence-flow nazys about my grammar and sentence flow really, however.

    4. Re:Is it end of blindness? by porl · · Score: 1

      Yes, however, I really wish the there are less grammar/sentence-flow nazys about my grammar and sentence flow really, however.

      Usually I would agree. Sometimes however, as is the case here, they are a necessary evil. :)

    5. Re:Is it end of blindness? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      "There is pool of blind people in developing countries like India, China and so on. The inofrmation might be useful for them too."

      Too bad they can't read the article...

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    6. Re:Is it end of blindness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theres no such thing as karma whoring. Either you added something relevant or useful to the conversation in which case you deserve to be modded up, or you did not.

      (posted anonymously because Ive never created an account.)

    7. Re:Is it end of blindness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      LOL, u r a good prankster.

      No, I sincerely doubt capabilities of some moderators, who believe in destructive modding than constructive. Often, a good discussion point is modded as flamebait, and modded down. Often, a good question is modded as troll.

      I wanted this discussion to happen. Therefore, gave a hint to mods.

  7. X-Files warned us of this by mitymidget · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...They didn't create it, dosn't anyone watch X-Files, its a discover lead by the Aliens, who will use the new eye to further the artificial development of insects to carry Alien genetic material to form the super Alien race (we all know humans are the most suppiorer already, just not intelectual). Comming soon, nanite insects that "Repair" damaged organs or tissue...Yeah Repair

    1. Re:X-Files warned us of this by Ninjy · · Score: 1

      Comming soon, nanite insects that "Repair" damaged organs or tissue...Yeah Repair Please tell those aliens we've been doing this for thousands of years already.

    2. Re:X-Files warned us of this by somersault · · Score: 1

      As someone cleverly pointed out before on /. maybe we are those aliens ;) don't have to be too scared of someone else getting there first. It does also seem kind of ironic to spell superior as 'suppiorer', while claiming yourself to be superior. Someone may point out that it's not irony, but I'm not even sure what irony is anymore after people complaining that some things are just coincidences =p

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  8. Wow, imagine the possibilites... by bepe86 · · Score: 2, Funny

    New viewing angle tecnique for movies - fly on the wall...

    1. Re:Wow, imagine the possibilites... by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Indeed, porn cinematography should really benefit from this !

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    2. Re:Wow, imagine the possibilites... by bepe86 · · Score: 1

      Exactly what I had in my mind, now you see exactly how real it seems when the plumber comes to "fix the piping"...

  9. A Victory for Creation Science!!! by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 2, Funny

    SEEE! This PROVES the eye is so complex that it requires an Intelligent Designer! :P

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    1. Re:A Victory for Creation Science!!! by avasol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ok so there's the Evolutionists, and the ID:ers, but other than Douglas Adams and myself, who else believes in the lesser known _Un-Intelligent (But Ambitious!) Designer_?

      And that would explain the disappearance of the dinosaurs too. Ooops, fucked it up. Sowwy. We'll have to try again. Let's try Humans this time. Yes... Yes.. Excellent physical design, but brains too unevolved. Let Humans consume the Earth's resources disparately and divide their wealth unevenly until they realize the error of their ways. That should teach 'em! Next up, Vulcans.

      See? Makes everything fit together neatly!

    2. Re:A Victory for Creation Science!!! by somersault · · Score: 1, Troll

      Nah, I'm sure they just found it in the bottom of a cupboard, where someone left a pile of batteries, microprocessors, motors, actuators, sensors and the like.. and they sorted themselves out naturally. Whoever left that pile there is the Creator though.

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    3. Re:A Victory for Creation Science!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, god is just a cientist and we all are just his cience project :P

    4. Re:A Victory for Creation Science!!! by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't you guess, the religious nuts are modding me down.

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  10. Compounding the problem by mrogers · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's comforting to know that our future robot masters will have terrifying, alien faces with which to express their terrifying, alien throught processes.

    1. Re:Compounding the problem by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      I would've thought that robot overlords would use something a bit more sophisticated and convenient - for example WLAN. Everyone just broadcasts their current mood etc. and the need for an optical information channel becomes nonexistant, at least as far as conversations are concerned.

      I didn't say that it's be convenient for us... But for them it would be clearly superior to trying to determine one's thoughts by looking at the face.


      Until someone sniffs out the connection and injects packets stating that the robot leaders' talks about the destruction of mankind are just a big joke and in reality he wants everone to go back to work.

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    2. Re:Compounding the problem by somersault · · Score: 1

      as long as they have no physical interaction in the world, then we wont have much to fear from them, apart from having our credit revoked >_> everyone could just go back to working the land :p

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    3. Re:Compounding the problem by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      I, for one, would like to be the first to welcome our new bionic-eyed insect masters...

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  11. Surveilance! by putko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you thought those fiber-optic based surveillance cams were bad, you'll hate these even more.

    Yeah, this will find tons of apps in all sorts of useful places, but at a certain point, they'll be so cheap that you'll have to be afraid that people have hidden them somewhere, and that you are being watched.

    This will be like camera phones, but squared and then cubed.

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    1. Re:Surveilance! by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
      This will be like camera phones, but squared and then cubed.

      Or camera phones, cube rooted.

    2. Re:Surveilance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think this does what you think it does.

      An insect's eye is incredibly low resolution. Good at sensing motion but crappy at reproducing full images.

    3. Re:Surveilance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read Bruce Sterling's books about ubiquitous surveillance to see more about it. Laws won't stop it from happeneing, so it's interesting to see how society will evolve and change with it. Imagine an open society with so much surveillance that we end up more like a hive mind - where our consciousness and actions are on display for everyone. Is that a good or a bad thing? Privacy cuts both ways, just ask your black-ops special forces who don't file mission reports, but we pay for our of our defense budget. Or don't ask them, because they don't "exist".

  12. Animal Inspired Optics by stuckinarut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's not only insects we're mimicing, crustaceans too. Astronomers have investigated the eyes of lobsters and used the way they focus light to create a Lobster Telescope For X-Rays

  13. A bit premature by Fred_A · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to TFA, "At the moment, the artificial eye is not connected to any kind of imaging device.".

    I understand that whoever made this thing is eager to show it around but shouldn't they actually wait until they have something to show ?
    It's becoming the norm nowadays to announce stuff that's only half done... I don't know if it's to satisfy investors or what but it sounds quite silly.

    "look, we have this great insectile artificial eye !"

    "impressive, what does it see ?"

    "we don't know"

    Well, duh.

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    1. Re:A bit premature by joke_dst · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      On the other hand, if an article is posted here when the product is FINISHED, you'll get 100 posts saying "this was already reported on this place six months ago"... Articles on slashdot are a loose-loose situation :P

    2. Re:A bit premature by jamesh · · Score: 1

      If your mis-spelling of lose was intentional then very clever. If not, shame on you. shame. shame. shame.

    3. Re:A bit premature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand that whoever made this thing is eager to show it around but shouldn't they actually wait until they have something to show ? It's becoming the norm nowadays to announce stuff that's only half done... I don't know if it's to satisfy investors or what but it sounds quite silly.

      I understand that everybody is not a scientist, so I'll try not to be as dismissive as the parent.

          The point of this article is not that researchers made an artifical eye -- as mentioned in other posts, other researchers have already done this. The reason why this article is interesting and was published by Science is that the researchers describe a method to mimic the structure of natural compound eyes without expensive microscale fabrication and manipulation. Instead of making thousands of waveguides (mini-fiber optics which direct the light to the "eventual" detector) and then having to meticulously align them to thousands of lenses, the researchers made the lenses first, and then used the lenses themselves to focus UV light onto a liquid polymer. Since polymer changes its optical properties when UV-cured, the focused light forms the waveguides with perfect alignment for thousands of lenses simultaneously. You can't demonstrate this concept with the data from a simple photodetector at the end of a wave guide, so in a sense, it would have been less interesting if they had just published the finished product rather than describe the concept they had developed. Furthermore, the authors suggest that it is likely that nature uses this sort of self-aligning method to fabricate its own structures.

      Also, if you had read TFA, you would have seen that the original journal article was published in Science magazine by academic researchers -- not in Proceedings of IEEE or by defense contractors. Academic researchers in science don't wait for a finished product to publish because:

      1) The point of science is to understand concepts, not build spying insects.
      2) You would probably get scooped (beat) if you waited 10 years to publish.
      3) No one would ever hire you or fund you without publications documenting your scientific progress
      4) This research was done by graduate students or postdocs who have 2-6 years to publish enough to get a real job, compared to 10-20 years to go from raw concept to product.
      5) Scientific research is based on building off of the research of others. Making a fully integrated artificial compound eye is really, really hard, and each step in understanding how a real eye works or how to make an artificial one requires a tremendous amount of work and insight. If everyone had to invent each of these steps independently, progress would be really slow. And the chances of one lab being lucky enough to stumble upon the right idea for each one of those steps *and* be good enough to build *and* manufacture a final product is essentially nil. So instead, people publish their "half done" findings because they are interesting and could help the entire community achieve its end goal.

    4. Re:A bit premature by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      No,slashdotters just are pessimistic about technology and for good reasons.
      TEchnology isn't always brings positive changes or even viable in most articles.
      Ex:vaporware,AI,Robots,surveillance.
      Such scepticism and hostility to ReInvented/rebranded technology make each "sensation" a subject of such jokes.The artificial insect eye thing is
      revolutionary invention,though impact can't be judged immediatly.You'll
      Feel it later,much later.Possibly when NSA builds fleets
      of flying microCams armed with those eyes.

  14. Mod parent up goddamnit! by Vo0k · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Good one :)

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  15. Artificial insects: army of the future. by master_p · · Score: 3, Informative

    Future wars will not be faught by giant robots or ultra-enhanced bionic soldiers or UAVs. They will be faught by fleets of artificial insects with collaborative AI.

    Artificial insects are capable of a wide range of operations:

    1) psyops: killing the important people of the opposing force (leaders, generals, scientists, etc) would be as easy as sending an insectoid armed with deadly poison. Undetectable, it can sting its victim while the victim is sleeping, or goes to the bathroom, or is in a public place surrounded by thousands of people.

    2) blocking enemy forces: a swarm of insectoids can easily render whole armies inoperable in a blink of an eye: tanks, rocket launchers, comm centers can be rendered inoperable with few insectoids injecting the proper substances at the proper places.

    3) invading a land by only killing humans, living infrastructure intact.

    A swarm of insectoids can go undetected by radar, since insectoids can fly in small formations, and only joined at the destination.

    Nanomachines can be used to create billions of one-time insectoids at very low cost.

    1. Re:Artificial insects: army of the future. by TropicalCoder · · Score: 1

      Future wars will not be faught by giant robots or ultra-enhanced bionic soldiers or UAVs. They will be faught by fleets of artificial insects with collaborative AI.

      We will turn these out in our factories by the millions, dropping them over enemy territory by night. We will have "insects" that simply wait patiently, conserving their energy source, until an opportune moment to strike. Others will be capable of recharging themselves from readily available resources. Then an arms race will begin as we develop whole ecologies of these things to search out and destroy the enemy's artificial insects. Imagine the mess to clean up after a major war. The enormous problem caused left over land mines will pale in comparison. People will be swatting deadly "flies" for years after, if the flies don't get them in their sleep first. Vast tracts of territory will become uninhabitable. Hey - let's collaborate on a sci-fi thriller!

    2. Re:Artificial insects: army of the future. by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 3, Funny

      The entire war will take place in the very same shoe box currently being used for a third-grade dinosaur diorama. A spokesman from Fox news says that they'll looking forward to providing embedbug coverage.

    3. Re:Artificial insects: army of the future. by w9ofa · · Score: 1

      Your army of robot insects will be useless against my army of robot ninjas.

      Everyone knows that robot ninjas can detect and grab insects out of the air at will. They would then proceed to eat them to gain more fuel in order to dominate you.

    4. Re:Artificial insects: army of the future. by tradiuz · · Score: 1

      Sleep tight, don't let the embedbugs bite!

    5. Re:Artificial insects: army of the future. by utexaspunk · · Score: 1

      Clearly we will have to develop chaos grid technology!

    6. Re:Artificial insects: army of the future. by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      "Future wars will not be faught by giant robots or ultra-enhanced bionic soldiers or UAVs. They will be faught by fleets of artificial insects with collaborative AI."

      Until the bug army was utterly decimated by the army of giant shoes and flyswatters....

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  16. Been there. Done that. by elFisico · · Score: 2, Informative

    Seems german scientists beat those US scientists to it. The team from the Fraunhofer Institute received a german research award for creating an artificial insect eye over a year ago.

    Find more technical infos here (sorry, german only).

    1. Re:Been there. Done that. by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Looks like the authors of the article in Science replied to your criticism already.

      See what they say in regards to previous work in reference 8.

      Reference 8: J. Duparre, P. Dannberg, P. Schreiber, A. Brauer, A. Tunnermann, Appl. Opt. 44, 2949 (2005).

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  17. Dump the sci-fi by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is it that 99% of those articles try to be done with the boring facts as fast as possible and dive into the exciting world of "this may/can/will be used for [INSERT SOMETHING FROM A MOVIE OR SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS REALLY IMPORTANT]" speculation.

    So if a new sort of "no unpopped kernels" popcorns was disovered, we'll have to read how this will lead to us flying to distant galaxies and finding the purpose of existence.

    1. Re:Dump the sci-fi by thePig · · Score: 1

      Not quite.
      See, in the case of people discovering some new phenomenon, or some amazing new theorem, yes, your point is very valid.

      But in case of inventions (or rather tools, as is the case here), if the scientists are doing it at all, they will be doing it with some future goals in mind.
      Otherwise, why would they even go ahead doing it?

      These guys would have thought of all the amazing future possibilities that is possible with such inventions, and there is nothing bad in telling them to the public also.

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    2. Re:Dump the sci-fi by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But in case of inventions (or rather tools, as is the case here), if the scientists are doing it at all, they will be doing it with some future goals in mind.

      Correct, but the articles lead many people (see grand-grandparent) to believe the invention is working and the practical implementation is about to happen, which is totally misleading.

      What we get is very small and (in the big picture) insignificant steps to solve the puzzle of bringing an invention in working state to the market, but we get breaking news that we're about to get flying cars every other week.

      People get tired, and start becoming suspicious. Is this what we want.

  18. Don't try building it... by J.+Random+Luser · · Score: 1

    into a matching display. Apple already has the patent

  19. The Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    That summary, was very well written.

  20. Re:Yet another advance in... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

    Yep. When the CEOO/cyborg sits there, immobile, because all of the augments crashed, it may herald a new era in which someone can be fired for buying Microsoft.

    Go, Ludd.

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  21. You don't have to imagine... by camperdave · · Score: 1

    All you have to do is watch an episode of "Fear Factor". Those people will shove anything in thier mouths.

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    1. Re:You don't have to imagine... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Seriously. Why don't they have a version that's just the stunts and none of the "gross-outs" I can't be the only person that doesn't want to see how many live, buttered worms people can eat with chopsticks.

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  22. text of abstract from Science by mapkinase · · Score: 1
    Biologically Inspired Artificial Compound Eyes
    Ki-Hun Jeong, Jaeyoun Kim, Luke P. Lee*

    This work presents the fabrication of biologically inspired artificial compound eyes. The artificial ommatidium, like that of an insect's compound eyes, consists of a refractive polymer microlens, a light-guiding polymer cone, and a self-aligned waveguide to collect light with a small angular acceptance. The ommatidia are omnidirectionally arranged along a hemispherical polymer dome such that they provide a wide field of view similar to that of a natural compound eye. The spherical configuration of the microlenses is accomplished by reconfigurable microtemplating, that is, polymer replication using the deformed elastomer membrane with microlens patterns. The formation of polymer waveguides self-aligned with microlenses is also realized by a self-writing process in a photosensitive polymer resin. The angular acceptance is directly measured by three-dimensional optical sectioning with a confocal microscope, and the detailed optical characteristics are studied in comparison with a natural compound eye.


    smallprint: bold is mine.

    I am not sure if this article is a free access one, but the abstract should be seen by everyone.

    Note how "biologically inspired" turned into "artificial insect" in BBC article. Surely, journalists are more successful in creating artefacts than scientists.

    PS. On a side note though: pretty amazing!
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  23. off topic question by mapkinase · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Why do you need tag "science", if the post is already published under science.slashdot.org?

    Tags are silly. I have seen a tag "stupid" on one of the previous posts. That will definitely help in search. I can see someone rubbing his hands against each other, saying: "Ok, now time to rest from moderating digg and find some "stupid" articles in Slashdot...".

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  24. wouldn't be a funny sight at all!! by bobamu · · Score: 0

    you can't see it due to it being dark.

  25. why do we need those:more from the TSA by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    Artificial implementation of compound eyes has attracted a great deal of research interest, because the wide FOV exhibits a huge potential for medical, industrial, and military applications. So far, imaging with a FOV over 90 has been achieved only with fish eye lenses, which rely on bulky and expensive multiple lenses and require stringent alignment. The use of miniaturized, arrayed optical components fabricated by using semiconductor planar processing technologies has been proposed to simultaneously mimic the structure and function of an individual ommatidium and the large-scale collection of ommatidia. The imaging systems using microlens arrays (7, 8) or graded index rod arrays (9, 10) in combination with matching pinhole arrays are good examples. More biomimetic efforts to implement artificial compound eyes were reviewed in (11) along with an outline of biological imaging systems. Achieving a wide FOV in those structures, however, has been hindered mainly by the inherent flatness of the arrayed optical components. In addition, the need to align multiple layers of arrayed components during assembly of the above-mentioned imaging systems gives them no advantage over fish eye lenses. For practical implementations of compound eyes with wide FOV, the requirement of curvature-compatible, self-aligned fabrications schemes is evident.
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  26. And here the troll goes again... by DrYak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorry for feeding the troll, but :

    The biggest difference between having faith in some deity or having faith in selection/randomness/ifinite time/etc... is that in case of the second, you can also try to disect the subtle mechanics of it and try to understand it, and then try to apply the knowledge you acquired. It makes you able to develop better medecine, or to be able to predict what will happen next according to the models you developped studying science (or in case of archeoly : try to guess what happened 'between' before the archeological evidence shows up). Which is hard to do with a deity, because you'll have to catch it first before being able to disect it, because as you're not a deity yourself you're not supposed to be able to understand it, and you aren't supposed to be able to predict what's is someone else head.
    Evolution is a way to say "Let's try to understand how it works", ID is a way to say "Fuck, I give up. It's too hard to understand. It must have been done by [insert your favorite deity's name here]".

    On the other hand, religious faith has generated some nice and interesting pieces of art and litterature, although it also managed to generate a lot of holy wars.

    Second, EVOLUTION IS NOT PURELY RANDOM. Most moderne life form have (thru evlotion) acquired means to 're-use' what has been done before (example: by recombining and reshuffling functionnal parts) and evolve and adapt faster than just waiting until it happens by randomness.

    (NOTE: I *do* work in a genetic lab. A *do* know what I'm speaking about)

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    1. Re:And here the troll goes again... by Itchy+Rich · · Score: 1

      (NOTE: I *do* work in a genetic lab. A *do* know what I'm speaking about)

      I think you should be researching the sarcasm gene.

    2. Re:And here the troll goes again... by aiyo · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I'm sorry, I think I missed it. Can you point out which section if the ID manual explains particle physics?

    3. Re:And here the troll goes again... by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It's in the index...


      Particle Physics.........see God


      come to think of it, that's what the entire index is like....

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    4. Re:And here the troll goes again... by jcdenhartog · · Score: 0

      This is such a flawed argument that it's hardly worth responding to.

      First, belief in God does not preclude finding out how things work. In fact, that is the express command of God in Genesis 1:28. You ought to do a little research before starting additional trolls.

      ...although it also managed to generate a lot of holy wars.

      You happened to come across the fact that sin exists in this world. This does not mean that all religious people support holy wars or think they are right. Non-religious people started a lot of wars as well. Again, no support for your argument. Note that many of the fathers of science were Christian. And not just because of the time. Read their works and you will see they were more than nominal christians.

      ...Second, EVOLUTION IS NOT PURELY RANDOM. Most moderne life form have (thru evlotion) acquired means to 're-use' what has been done before (example: by recombining and reshuffling functionnal parts) and evolve and adapt faster than just waiting until it happens by randomness.

      Reshuffling requires random acts... when's the last time you conciously reshuffled your genes? Reshuffling is not evolution. Evolution ultimately teaches creation of new information, something never demonstrated by evolutionists. Besides, most reshuffling results in loss of information. For each step in the process, and whenever an evolutionist finds more detail about how something works in nature, that person should be required to calculate the probability of that particular detail evolving, and combining that with the probablility of everything else evolving, to put everything in perspective. ...Not that that would help. Your beginning premise is flawed anyhow.

      NOTE: I *do* work in a genetic lab. A *do* know what I'm speaking about)

      Doesn't mean a thing. I can find plenty of people that work in such a lab that believe in 6 day creation. In fact, you have shown that you are only focused on the small realm of knowledge that you know without considering anything else. And even then you are are wrong.

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    5. Re:And here the troll goes again... by avronius · · Score: 1

      More people have been killed "In the name of [insert deity here]" than by any other means. Now, I'm not saying that I was sitting there counting the graves - just relaying information freely available in the world. Or, at least in those locations where it's not illegal to know things...

      Pint of fact:
      Support for holy wars has not been, shall we say, hard to find. It is quite easy to garner support by telling a person that all of the wrongs of the world are someone else's fault. It is much harder to stand against the tide, because sympathizers are as bad the enemy during times of war.

      You can't gloss over the crusades, or Spanish inquisition with a banal comment like "sin exists in this world". Someone stood up and said "[deity] says [offending group of people] are evil - eradicate or change them", and the masses followed blindly, slaying the "guilty" in their path. You cannot excuse such atrocities with an enigmatic wave of your hand and simple "meh - sin exists".

      Or can you?

    6. Re:And here the troll goes again... by Wwolmack · · Score: 3, Informative
      Troll or no, talkorigins addresses this. Read it sometime if you disagree with evolution, and reference it if you disagree with ID.

      Reshuffling requires random acts... when's the last time you conciously reshuffled your genes? Reshuffling is not evolution. Evolution ultimately teaches creation of new information, something never demonstrated by evolutionists. Besides, most reshuffling results in loss of information. For each step in the process, and whenever an evolutionist finds more detail about how something works in nature, that person should be required to calculate the probability of that particular detail evolving, and combining that with the probablility of everything else evolving, to put everything in perspective. ...Not that that would help. Your beginning premise is flawed anyhow.

      From: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB102.html

      Claim CB102: Mutations are random noise; they do not add information. Evolution cannot cause an increase in information.

      Source:
      AIG, n.d. Creation Education Center. http://www.answersingenesis.org/cec/docs/CvE_repor t.asp

      Response:

      1. It is hard to understand how anyone could make this claim, since anything mutations can do, mutations can undo. Some mutations add information to a genome; some subtract it. Creationists get by with this claim only by leaving the term "information" undefined, impossibly vague, or constantly shifting. By any reasonable definition, increases in information have been observed to evolve. We have observed the evolution of
        • increased genetic variety in a population (Lenski 1995; Lenski et al. 1991)
        • increased genetic material (Alves et al. 2001; Brown et al. 1998; Hughes and Friedman 2003; Lynch and Conery 2000; Ohta 2003)
        • novel genetic material (Knox et al. 1996; Park et al. 1996)
        • novel genetically-regulated abilities (Prijambada et al. 1995)

        If these do not qualify as information, then nothing about information is relevant to evolution in the first place.

      2. A mechanism that is likely to be particularly common for adding information is gene duplication, in which a long stretch of DNA is copied, followed by point mutations that change one or both of the copies. Genetic sequencing has revealed several instances in which this is likely the origin of some proteins. For example:
        • Two enzymes in the histidine biosynthesis pathway that are barrel-shaped, structural and sequence evidence suggests, were formed via gene duplication and fusion of two half-barrel ancestors (Lang et al. 2000).
        • RNASE1, a gene for a pancreatic enzyme, was duplicated, and in langur monkeys one of the copies mutated into RNASE1B, which works better in the more acidic small intestine of the langur. (Zhang et al. 2002)
        • Yeast was put in a medium with very little sugar. After 450 generations, hexose transport genes had duplicated several times, and some of the duplicated versions had mutated further. (Brown et al. 1998)

        The biological literature is full of additional examples. A PubMed search (at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi) on "gene duplication" gives more than 3000 references.

      3. According to Shannon-Weaver information theory, random noise maximizes information. This is not just playing word games. The random variation that mutations add to populations is the variation on which selection acts. Mutation alone will not cause adaptive evolution, but by eliminating nonadaptive variation, natural selection communicates info
    7. Re:And here the troll goes again... by Wwolmack · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, one of the links is wrong.

      The slashdot.org link should be http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB110.html

      Once again, all credit (and many thanks)to: http://www.talkorigins.org/

    8. Re:And here the troll goes again... by jcdenhartog · · Score: 1

      I would not disagree with anything you said. My point was not that holy wars are ok. Emphatically they are not. But they are irrelevant to the evolution-creation debate. DrYak is merely stating his opinion that religion is good for nothing more than starting holy wars. Troll or flamebait, you might say. Holy wars (at least in the Christian realm) are started by abuse of religion in the first place, which sin inclines many people to do.

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    9. Re:And here the troll goes again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still, the eye in the article was inteligenly designed :P

  27. Non-native speaker bug? by ottffssent · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The summary has two extra commas. The first is just after a noun phrase; the second is just before one.

    I've been taking Spanish for quite a while, and recognize common English errors that native speakers of Spanish make, but I'm curious about the comma overuse in the summary here. I have come across this particular error quite a bit lately, and I'm curious whether it's common to native speakers of a particular language.

    I know this is seriously OT, but I don't know of any linguist blogs, so can someone help me out here? Thanks!

    1. Re:Non-native speaker bug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There shouldn't be a comma in the second sentence: "The dimpled eye contains over 8,500 [snip]"

      I'm assuming the other one you referenced is at the end of sentence five "[snip] compex, visual systems." That one's okay, because it describes systems that are both complex and visual. I would argue, however, that it should be "vision," not "visual."

  28. grammar by illtron · · Score: 1

    "complex visual systems" not "complex, visual systems"

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  29. Blorp by kurbchekt · · Score: 0

    "Even though insects start with just a single cell, they grow and create this beautiful optical system by themselves," said Professor Luke Lee, one of the authors on the paper.

    So, did I, but you don't here me bragging about it!

    Oh wait... I just did...

  30. This is just wonderful ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great. Now they will implant them into insects that lost their eyesight because they kept playing with sharp sticks. What will they come up with next? Free education for microbes?

  31. We hire insects by mipoe · · Score: 1

    ... how insects developed such complex, visual systems ... The best workers for the development of new digicams?

  32. The alien ideas of robot masters by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

    The terrifying, alien thought processes of an IEEE 754 compliant Robot Master:

    Mathematician: But I'm telling you, division by zero is impossible!
    Robot Master: Does not compute. Division by zero equals infinity.
    Mathematician: Then what about multiplying zero by infinity? Is that also infinity? No, it isn't, it's z-e-r-o!
    Robot Master: Does not compute. Multiplication by infinity equals infinity.
    Mathematician: Exactly! So division by zero is impossible!
    Robot Master: Does not compute. Division by zero equals infinity. Multiplication of zero by infinity equals infinity.
    Mathematician: How?! How is multiplication of zero by infinity infinity?!
    Robot Master: Provide number of times you would need to carry out multiplication of any number by infinity to predict result.
    Mathematician: Well... infinite times!
    Robot Master: Therefore, zero multiplied by infinity equals infinity... ...etc. Surely this is the stuff nightmares are made of.

  33. Great news for blind insects by MacBoy · · Score: 1

    This is great news for the many insects who have lost one or both eyes due to an tragic accident or illness. It is one step closer to the ultimate goal of producing artificial fish eyes for blind fish.

  34. Principals and lawyers rejoice... by nick_davison · · Score: 1

    An artificial insect eye, the size of a pinhead. Imagine how many of these high school principals and senior law firm partners will be able to install in the typical girls/women's restroom... for "security" purposes.

    Some countries have passed a law that cellphone cameras have to make a loud shutter noise to warn people they may be being photographed. Will this be required to make a really loud buzzing? Can you even miniaturize a speaker down that small or does there come a point where you just can't move enough air to make any real noise?

  35. How to replace a brain: speculative proposal by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 1

    Use nanotechnology. Go neuron after neuron; first enter the host cell, then measure its relevant characteristics, then take over, shut down its cellular mechanisms, and replace them with a functionally identical assembly of nanoparticles. Use the existing cellular membranes and structures as a scaffolding to build on. Then follow up on the nearby neurons. Continue until all neurons are replaced. Then repeat the sequence, this time upgrading the now-artificial structures to an enhanced version, taking full advantage of the technological differences as at that moment we don't have to care about biocompatibility anymore and can use faster mechanisms than biomimetic synapses.

  36. So... by Geminii · · Score: 1

    Can I get a handful implanted in the back of my head? "You kids, I can see what you're up to!"

  37. Two weeks ago. by DrYak · · Score: 1
    Beside the nice answers given by another slashdoter, I would like to point to more trivial examples.

    Reshuffling requires random acts... when's the last time you conciously reshuffled your genes?

    Two weeks ago.
    And I'm not speaking about sex. (which, when done with specie multiplication in mind, *does* result with genetic re-arrengement, and *is* done in a concious way. Or at least, it should be done with both paries' conscent, otherwise, it's illegal in most juridiction.)

    What I mean is that i was sick, two weeks ago.

    Besides, most reshuffling results in loss of information.

    In case of, sickness, the white blood cells (Lymphocyte, type T & B, in that order) are involved in the creation of anti bodies. How are this anti bodies created ?
    By reshuffling different portions of genes. When they are created, Lymphocyte B, carry (mostly) the same genetic material as the rest of the body. They have a generic meaningless gene made of different parts : a constant part and a sequence that is currently useless. This sequence is made by parts that can be cut away or assembled with the constant part. The result is an unique combination. Some point-mutation are added at key points. And finaly you get a new form of antibody. Instead of having every known antibody coded into our gene pool (and being vulnerable to the first bacteria that invents a coating that isn't detected by any of them), the lymphocyte B manage to create antibodies by controlled mutation. (They are consequently selected by rejecting those who seem to react to one-self's cell)

    Although is only somatic mutation (not transmited to children) and is not triggered directly by the disease (Inflamatory state, as happens with a disease, may only stimulate the production of white cells. Not specifically start it), it is a nice exemple of controlled mutation, that mostly result in improvement (most of the time, Lymphocyte carrying useful combination of antibodies are used to combat the foreign body, and Lymphocyte with wrong mutations - leading to either unusable proteins garbages or self-antibodies - are discarded). If most of the time it produced more noise than usefulness, neither of us would have survived last disease we had.

    Now better :
    Cut and pasting genes around is partly done by enzymes called "recombinase" which can cut genes at given points.
    There are some studies (I was at one of their conference, but I lost the references. Some googling may fid it again) done on some sub-types of E. Coli (a small bacteria of which some may live in your guts) showing that the concentration of recombinase depends on the "stress level" of the environnement.
    - If the environnement is good and the bacteria can multiply prosper, the mutation rate is lower.
    - If the environnement is harsh and the bacteria have difficulties living in it - if I abuse Darwin's terminology I may say it is "un-fit" - mutation rate gets higher. The bacteria guess it's current state won't cope with the new conditions and tries to invent something to be able to resist better the new environnement. Some of the new mutated descent die, some other discovers new proteins helping it to survive better, live up, and their mutation rate lowers again.

    This is a finely tuned balance between the disadvantages of mutations (generates also a lot of errors. Which will get discarded by selection, but are still wasteful because : less individual are produced (population is growing slower because of discarded mutants = wasted time), and the discarded still eat food until they die (= wasted ressources) ) and advantage (if everything is going bad, mutation is need to try to come up with new solution. It may costs you something, but it's still better than the whole colony dying).
    From the bacteria's point of view it is the most equivalent to "conscious

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  38. Don't forget the art by DrYak · · Score: 1
    DrYak is merely stating his opinion that religion is good for nothing more than starting holy wars.


    That, and nice piece of art and litterature. Don't forget it. For exemple : Some of the very good old greek litterature stems in mythology (like Odysseus).

    But can you point me a war that was started "in the name of Relativist Theory ?" "Quantum Mechanics Theory ?" "Superstring Theory ?". You have a bunch of contradictory theories : each one is valid in its own realm and is very useful in making predictions here. But contradict when applied to different scales (hence the super-strings : complies with both former, but doesn't lead to embarassing contradiction when changing scale). But as of today, no physicist group has started a holy war against another because of these.

    On the other hand, on each battle fields you see people invoking random deities. At least in the antiquity they were invoking different ones (see the legends about Troy : each party is supported by a different group of gods, which gods having their own rivalty and changing support based on it). Recent past, has seen wars with people invoking the fucking-same deity and are persuaded that it'll support them against the opponent of the same religion.
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    1. Re:Don't forget the art by jcdenhartog · · Score: 1

      That's a straw man argument. Of course there aren't examples of a war started in the name of scientific theory. There are plenty of wars started that were not related to religion though.

      But your argument does nothing to prove that religion is only good for what you stated.

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  39. Re:journal article text by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    journal article text (Score:-1, Redundant)

    How in the cock-eyed world of Slashdotter's priorities could posting the actual text of the formal paper at the root of a story be considered redundant ? Since the story itself doesn't link to a primary reference, and nor does the article which the story does link to. So the AC who posted this obviously did some research to get to the source article.

    My bet is, the person (or persons) who modded this article down was either being spiteful (in which case, where are the meta-moderators?) or wasn't aware that 'Science' costs US$150 a year for a personal subscription. No subscription, and you get
    YOU DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THIS ITEM:

    Biologically Inspired Artificial Compound Eyes

    Jeong et al.
    Science 28 April 2006: 557-561
    DOI: 10.1126/science.1123053

    accompanied by an offer to buy 24 hours access for $10.

      Oh, hang on. I get it. There's only been one person modding this article, and that person has spent their entire online life in a place with a site license, or something similar.

    Join the real world people! I'm wrestling with the question of can I justify $100 for a cut-price-special-offer-never-to-be-repeated subscription for a year of Science, and I'm very reluctantly coming to the conclusion that I can't justify it while I've got driving lessons for the wife and purchase of a car to pay for. Sheesh!, at least I do use the mod points when I get them. (Well, I do if I have Internet access while the points are active.)
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