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Apple Unveils New Macbook

Several readers have written in to mention that Apple has released the new Macbook on their site. Yahoo! has details from the press release: "With prices starting at just $1,099, the MacBook lineup includes three models: a 1.83 GHz and 2.0 GHz MacBook in a newly designed, sleek white enclosure and a 2.0 GHz MacBook in a stunning new black enclosure. The new MacBook offers performance up to five times faster than the iBook and up to four times faster than the 12-inch PowerBook with a completely new system architecture including a 667 MHz front-side bus and 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM memory expandable to 2GB."

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  1. Family complete? by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anyone hoping for 9in MacBook Micros, 36in MacBook MegaPros or other outlandish designs might be disappointed - the hardware overview page describes the Apple laptop family as 'now complete'.

    So, is this the full range?

    The black MacBook seems a bit weird - it's $200 more than the nearest equivalent white model, except it has 20GB more hard disk and, erm, a rather pay-as-you-go black finish. Odd.

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    1. Re:Family complete? by jjeffrey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple's website saying the family is complete has no bearing at all on whether we can expect any new arrivals- it's not like they'd put "coming soon" and hurt the sales of the current products.

    2. Re:Family complete? by artlogic · · Score: 2

      It looks like if you buy the black MacBook, you actually pay $150 for it just being black? (The hard drive upgrade is worth $50 in apple money)

      How is this supposed to be a tempting deal?

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    3. Re:Family complete? by SilentChris · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to mention all models have Intel integrated graphics. Boo! At least the old ones had ATI (crappy ATI, but ATI nonetheless).

      At least the other hardware is nice. A laptop with a camera for only $1100? Sweet.

    4. Re:Family complete? by Dan+Ost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At least Intel makes documentation available so that open source drivers can be written
      for their kit. I'll take that over ATI-blob supported hardware.

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    5. Re:Family complete? by pla · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The black MacBook seems a bit weird - it's $200 more than the nearest equivalent white model

      You forget the company that produced it...

      The FP mentioning CPU, then color, then - nothing! - as the key specs of this product should give a bit of a clue on the target audience.


      Not sayin' it doesn't sounds like a hell of a nice laptop (and for a decent price at that, amazingly enough). Just... Know your audience.

    6. Re:Family complete? by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 5, Funny

      The black and white iPods don't have a price difference, why would they charge a premium for something like that on the MacBook.

      So your laptop can match your turtleneck?

    7. Re:Family complete? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The black and white iPods don't have a price difference, why would they charge a premium for something like that on the MacBook.

      Because of idiots like me, who started drooling in some sort of Jobsian/Pavlovian response when I saw the black MacBook. Yes, I know that, rationally and consciously, computer case aesthetics are not of prime importance to me. But Apple is working their desire voodoo. I want one. I have to have one.

      Pity about the graphics. It's that one thing that keeps it from being a perfect laptop. The one stumbling block for me on the iBooks (and the reason I own a 12" PowerBook currently) was the lack of DVI output. They did fix that, at least. Nothing I can tell about whether it is mirror only out-of-the-box. Has anybody seen any info on this?

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    8. Re:Family complete? by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My trusty G4 iBook handles World of Warcraft rather nicely, so I'm thinking a little light gaming on the new one is not out of the question.

      Still, while the purest in me regrets seeing Apple moving to integrated graphics on their iBook line, the realist in me says that video performance will still probably be better than the modest ATI cards they used to use.

      These video chipsets are, like it or not, part of the reason why Apple moved to Intel. By having a complete motherboard solution which includes the GPU, Apple saves exactly one (1) assload of money on the production of their low-end consumer systems. This allows them to make MacBooks and minis with smokin' dual-core processors for around the same price as the ones that once sported ultra-cheap G4 chips.

      I'm also digging the widescreen concept of their laptops. My 12" iBook is nice on a long plane ride, but the new 13" MacBook looks like it would be even better suited to a seat-back tray.

      I'm going to pass on this round, not out of "version 1.0 fear", but simply because I think I can squeeze a couple more years of utility out of my G4 iBook before I'm ready for a new computer. It's no speed-demon, but it does everything I really need it to at the moment.

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    9. Re:Family complete? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Maybe I'm getting a little too old and eyes are getting worse, but, I couldn't imagine getting a screen less than 15".

      If I'm working, I have many windows open at the same time, usually as the max resolution I can run...and I need all the real estate I can get.

      If I'm on a plane watching a movie on it....I want a screen that is a decent size...12"-13" just are too small for me...

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    10. Re:Family complete? by charlievarrick · · Score: 2, Informative
      Extended desktop and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 1920 x 1200 pixels on an external display, both at millions of colors... http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html

      (emphasis added)

    11. Re:Family complete? by s73v3r · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hell, I remember when I was born, my parents thought the family was complete. 3 years and a broken condom later, my little brother would have to disagree with you.

    12. Re:Family complete? by Golias · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You must never fly coach.

      I've got a 12" iBook, and on a typical Boeing aircraft, if the person in front of me puts their seat back, I can *just barely* have the iBook open, sitting on the front lip of the tray table.

      If my laptop screen was one inch taller, it would be pretty much impossible to use in most of the cheap seats of a plane. I would have to always arrive early and request an exit-row seat.

      That's one reason why I think the wide-screen laptops are an awesome idea. More screen real estate, less height when it's open.

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    13. Re:Family complete? by soft_guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      G4 PowerBooks were dog slow until the day they announced the MacTels. And please don't accuse me of trolling when Apple themselves is now claiming a 5x increase in speed!

      Yes, because as chips get faster in the future, we realize that we were total chumps for buying such slow, expensive chips in the past. You had an Apple II? What a chump you were for paying so much money for a slow old 6502 processor. You had a 80486 PC? You should have just waited for the Core Duo!

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    14. Re:Family complete? by baldass_newbie · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was there.
      There was no broken condom.

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    15. Re:Family complete? by dankney · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Intel likes binary blobs. Their WiFi cards come with a binary blob userspace program that uh... "enforces" FCC compliance on the hardware, whatever that means.

      Another OpenBSD user, I'd bet. In this case it means that it restricts the hardware to North American frequencies (which are assigned by the FCC). The frequencies are an international standard, so it isn't a "USA rules" thing so much as it disallows tinkering with them.


  2. Stunning new black enclosure? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    and a 2.0 GHz MacBook in a stunning new black enclosure.

    What the article doesn't mention is that the new black enclosure is made from the same patented finish as the ipod nano ;-)

    Seriously, $1099 for the low end one is making these look pretty tempting, but I'm going to have to wait for the fourth gen (instead of usual second gen) for mactel stuff.

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    1. Re:Stunning new black enclosure? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Informative

      Large icons, large space between, damn irresonable spacing between controls.

      That's why icon size and icon spacing are fully adjustable. Not sure what you mean by "irresonable spacing between controls" though.

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    2. Re:Stunning new black enclosure? by justsomebody · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to mention their second screen praising. Catch is that any option you would like to use has been sold separately.

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    3. Re:Stunning new black enclosure? by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With a much better OS?

      I'm not sure what you value your time at, but I don't have the time nor CPU cycles to run spyware detectors, malware detectors, virus & trojan detectors, etcetera. I also don't have the time to f*ck with a corrupted registry nor to format/reinstall the OS along with all the software/drivers every 6 months just because I decide to use the comuter. I'll probably settle for a simple firewall though.

      I bought 2 macs for my parents after I was tired of doing the above and more everytime I came to their house. I run Linux, Mac, and Windows myself and if I ever move off a Ubuntu, I'll consider a Mac before any Windows.

      Because being cheap is going to cost me more in the end.

    4. Re:Stunning new black enclosure? by adamjaskie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Larger display == better notebook? How do you figure?

      I buy one of these, I buy it BECAUSE it has a small display. The same reason I bought my 12-inch iBook. If you offered me a choice, one of these or the 17-inch Pro model, for free, I would take the 13-inch (barring selling the 17 and using the money to buy the 13 of course). I want my notebook to be portable; I already have a desktop machine that is a pain to lug around, I don't need another.

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    5. Re:Stunning new black enclosure? by Lars+T. · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe he wants to tell us the second mouse button is too far away ;-)

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    6. Re:Stunning new black enclosure? by DrXym · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Aqua is an incredibly space hungry desktop. You only have to open a few windows in finder and thing is such a total mess that you *need* Expose to unclutter it. Shrinking the icon and font size doesn't help in Finder because the auto-arrange takes up far too much space so windows have to be large to see everything. It becomes a total mess in no time. Expose is sometimes suitable for finding a window but sometimes you need to see the contents of two windows and once and its no good then.

    7. Re:Stunning new black enclosure? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny
      Not sure what you mean by "irresonable spacing between controls" though.

      He wants his spaces to resonate. Maybe he needs an interior decorator.

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    8. Re:Stunning new black enclosure? by djdavetrouble · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed, I have been happily using a 12" powerbook for lots of things. When I am using my small laptop, it is usually for a utility use, check my email, do some writing, etc. I am not looking for a full on desktop experience. I have always been a fan of small portables, from Librettos to Sony Vaio ultraslims. I really hate taking a 15" powerbook or other full size laptop from here to there. They get heavy after 1/2 hour on your back. I live in New York, which is a walking city, I don't have a car to drive around in, so portability is always a concern. If your laptop is your only computer, then a 12 or 13" may be too small, but for portability, smaller and lighter is better.

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    9. Re:Stunning new black enclosure? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes. I really get tired of screen size being presented as the end-all, be-all for notebooks. If you want a ginormous screen, great, go for it, but not everyone does. There's a whole lot to be said for a small, powerful machine, especially when you actually want to carry it around with you instead of parking it on your desk.

      On that note ... I really don't like the widescreen aspect ratio, in any size. It's too bad that Apple (which, inevitably, means the entire PC world a year later) seems to be giving up on 4:3. Maybe it's just my personal work habits, but for me, extra pixels on the side of the screen just seem like wasted space. I'll probably end up with a MacBook to replace my iBook one of these days, but I'd really rather have had something with the dimensions of the 12" iBook and PowerBook models.

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    10. Re:Stunning new black enclosure? by Golias · · Score: 2, Informative

      Shrinking the icon and font size doesn't help in Finder because the auto-arrange takes up far too much space so windows have to be large to see everything.

      Auto-arrange? You poor, ignorant fool.

      The "icon view" is only there to keep old-school MacOS bigots from weeping openly in the streets. The first thing I do with every Mac I buy is go into the Finder prefs and set it to always use the hierarchical folder menus. While I'm at it, I remove all desktop icons for mounted disks. Having them in my finder window is more than enough.

      The desktop enviornment was king back in the System 7 days, but these days I use my desktop as a temporary downloads folder, but otherwise leave it empty. It's a redundant part of OS X which Apple would have purged long ago, if not for the outcry of older Mac-heads who don't want to let go of it.

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    11. Re:Stunning new black enclosure? by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 2, Informative

      I specced my office Dell which has very similar specs (Core Duo bla bla bla). The price was comparable. And wtf does everyone complain about the screen size. My Dell is terribly inconvenient. I have to carry it around in it's bloody laptop case. My iBook is small enough to go in a pouch in my back pack. And if you've ever had to commue the thousands of miles from Yorkshire to LA you'll find that even just hiking through Philly airport another bag just for your laptop is a pain in the arse. I like the small screen on my iBook. The 13" widescreen on the new MacBooks looks equally useful.

    12. Re:Stunning new black enclosure? by PseudononymousCoward · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://desktopmanager.berlios.de/

      You can send me the mod points later. :-)

    13. Re:Stunning new black enclosure? by amigabill · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe he wants to tell us the second mouse button is too far away ;-)

      Actually, for some people wanting to dulboot with Windows, now that this is possible, the single button touchpad could be an issue. How does one properly use Windows these days with only one mouse button, when it's not convenient to pull out a USB mouse with more buttons?

      I was just thinking this would make a great triple-OS laptop but your joke got me thinking... What about Windows and Linux???

  3. Black is the new black by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Funny

    Leave it to Apple to set the trends again. I bet all the other companies are gonna copy them and come out with black laptops now... ; )

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    1. Re:Black is the new black by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait until you see the new Apple Beige Box (tm) line that's set to replace the high end G5 line (as soon as enough important 3rd party software has gone fat binary)

      These mac intel Beige Box (tm) are going to blow the PC world's mind - you've never seen the sort of bold looks and design as the new Apple Beige Box (tm).

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    2. Re:Black is the new black by at_slashdot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Am I the only one who things that's ridiculous to ask $200 more for a black laptop? What else would Apple come up with -- cheaper yellow laptops? Price haggling?

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    3. Re:Black is the new black by Nugget · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The black MacBook also comes with an extra 20GB of storage space (80GB standard in the block vs. 60GB standard in the white). This either explains the price difference or allows Apple to obscure the actual price premium for black, depending on how cynical you're feeling.

    4. Re:Black is the new black by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Informative

      These mac intel Beige Box (tm) are going to blow the PC world's mind - you've never seen the sort of bold looks and design as the new Apple Beige Box (tm).

      I know you're being comical, but the beige box was an Apple innovation way back when the Apple II (IIRC) came out. Before that it was imitation wood panels (I wonder if any early case modders had shag carpeting on their funky boxes...).

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    5. Re:Black is the new black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Upgrading the white MacBook to an 80GB drive only costs $50. What's the extra $150 for?

  4. Specs and Prices (US and UK) by jjeffrey · · Score: 2, Informative

    The new system is availabe in three specs. All have:

    13.3-inch widescreen display
    1280 x 800 resolution
    512MB memory (2 x 256MB SODIMMs)
    USB, Bluetooth 2.0 and Firewire
    Airport

    The bottom end model has:

    60GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard drive 2
    Combo drive (DVD-ROM, CD-RW)
    White

    US: $1099 UK: £749 ($1423)

    The mid-range model has:

    60GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard drive 2
    SuperDrive (DVD±RW, CD-RW)
    White

    US: $1288 UK: £899 ($1708)

    The high-end model has:

    80GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard drive 2
    SuperDrive (DVD±RW, CD-RW)
    Black or White

    US: $1499 UK: £1028.99 ($1953)

    So.. Once again Apple think that in the UK we should pay as much as 30% more for the privilege of having a machine shipped across the Atlantic and a couple of keys in a different place. Great.

    1. Re:Specs and Prices (US and UK) by BenjyD · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except, of course, that the UK price includes VAT, making the actual price differential 7% or so.

    2. Re:Specs and Prices (US and UK) by Nutcase · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or maybe they think that you should pay the 17.5% VAT your government imposes (Tax is not included in US prices, but traditionally IS included in UK prices). This should have been obvious to you, as the Apple UK store even gives you the prices "ex vat": 637.45, 765.11, 875.74. I did the math at today's rate, and the 875.74 comes out to about $1650usd. Which means that you're paying about $150 in import fees and tarriffs.

      Apple isn't screwing you. Your government is taxing the shit out of you. Deal with it, or change it.

    3. Re:Specs and Prices (US and UK) by flooey · · Score: 5, Informative

      The new system is availabe in three specs.

      It also looks like Apple put together a spec comparison chart, for those who are interested.

    4. Re:Specs and Prices (US and UK) by DalSoth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The MacBook is out. and by all rights it looked to be the thing to have. Right up untill I read that it has 64mb of Shared Vedio Memory. I'm not saying that there is anything overly wrong with this if all you want to do is watch DVDs or surf the net. But you can forget about doing anything that requires GPU power such as the lastest games. PC laptops have been using this system for years. and it was my hope that Apple didn't start using it. I have owned a few PC laptops with this and I've been sorry that i did. I would rather buy a 2nd hand Ibook 12" G3-500 with the 8mb ATI GPU. I'm sorry to say that this one point will stop me buying it. Sigh, and it even came in Black. I have always wanted a back laptop.

  5. Once again... by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...FireWire is present, as it is on all new Intel-based Macs to date, proving that FireWire isn't going anywhere (anytime soon, anyway) on Apple's computer products. It also totally shatters Jason O'Grady's ridiculous predictions that "FireWire is gone completely from the new Intel iBooks", which were widely accepted as fact. Of course, it made zero sense at that time, too, but that didn't stop it from spreading around the net like wildfire.

    Note also that the MacBook features the Core Duo, not Core Solo, and the screen resolution has increased from 1024x768 on the old 12" iBook and PowerBook to 1280x800.

    With the array of connectivity (mini DVI also supports VGA, S-Video, and composite), built-in Bluetooth and 802.11a/b/g (yes, a is included and supported by the OS), the ability to boot Windows natively or use Windows (or other x86 OSes) in virtualization, for just over $1000, this looks to be a great deal.

    It appears that some of the traditional differences between the "iBook" and "PowerBook" line are shrinking even more; I wouldn't be surprised if there was no 12" MacBook Pro based on the new MacBook's specifications.

    One hopes that Apple is applying a reasonable amount of thermal paste on the new MacBooks. ;-)

    1. Re:Once again... by SlamMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple's pages list this a replacement for the 12" Powerbook as well as the iBook.

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    2. Re:Once again... by illtron · · Score: 2, Funny

      12" is definitely dead. There's a black MacBook now for people who want to pay a lot of extra money for what was always essentially just an iBook in a different color.

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    3. Re:Once again... by jcr · · Score: 2, Informative

      The MacBook Pro has a conventional latch. Well-designed, with a nice feel, but not magnetic.

      To be precise, there is a hook which is pulled out of its recess by a magnet when the lid gets close to closing.

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  6. Seems like a lot for black... by ellem · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean 200USD for black and a 20GB bigger HD?

    And for the love of God why don't they just give them all 1GB of RAM?

    Still it's pretty and I want one.

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  7. video -- ugh! by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Intel GMA 950 graphics processor with 64MB of DDR2 SDRAM shared with main memory

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  8. *walks into macdonalds* by boiledsoybeans · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hi. yeah i'd like a macbook 20 with black cover and maybe a side order of ram.

  9. What I'd like to see by PurdueGraphicsMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    is a brushed metal MacBook Pro that's black. That would be sweet.

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    1. Re:What I'd like to see by AnalystX · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not sure why someone moded you "Funny" but I certainly think a black anodized 6061 T6 alloy case would be great.

  10. RAM by LoSLapPy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    anyone notice that now its 2x256 and not 1x512?

  11. Even worse... by hotsauce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DVI, VGA, S-video and composite out all require adapters (sold separately, of course).

  12. New MacBook pretty close to the Pro in specs by tji · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This new laptop is much closer to the MacBook Pro than I expected. I thought they might only do Core Solo processors, to create more distinction between the two levels.

    I had been planning on getting the 15 or 17" Pro, but looking at the specs on these - and the price, I might go for the MacBook.

    The biggest difference I see is the display resolution.. 1280x800, like the older PowerBooks.

    1. Re:New MacBook pretty close to the Pro in specs by Moby+Cock · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, resolution. And the integrated graphics chip. The Pros have Radeon Mobility chips as opposed to the Intel graphics in the new Macbook. But, unless you do a lot of heavy graphics manipulations (or play WoW) the new Macbooks are real nice.

  13. Re:MacBook Vs Dell by MuckSavage · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just built me a Dell online and matched up the specs as closely as possible. Here's what I made:


    Latitude D620:
    Intel® Core(TM) Duo T2400 (1.83GHz) 667Mhz Dual Core
    Operating Systems:
    Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition, SP2, with media
    LCDs:
    14.1 inch Wide Screen WXGA LCD Panel
    Graphics:
    Intel® Integrated Graphics Media Accelerator 950
    Memory:
    512MB, DDR2-533 SDRAM, 1 DIMM
    Hard Drives:
    60GB Hard Drive, 9.5MM, 5400RPM
    Optical Drive - Modular:
    24X CD-RW/DVD w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD(TM)
    Wireless LAN (802.11):
    Dell Wireless(TM) 1390 802.11g Mini Card
    Bluetooth:
    Dell Wireless® 350 Bluetooth Module


    I assume that a "mini card" with regards to wireless is a plug in thing? I'm pretty sure it would say internal if it was built in, but some one who knows more about Dell can correct me.

    Total Price: $1466.00 or 1216.00 after instant rebate.

  14. Re:MacBook Vs Dell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    If they use Windows, they'll call me about their blue screens of death. What to do?

    First you stop installing Windows ME on your friends computers.

  15. New keyboard design by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder what they've changed with respect to keyboard.
    They claim that it is firmer than before.
    Picture

    Seeing as it is more than a quarter of an inch thinner than the iBook G4, this one looks like a pretty nice little system.

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  16. Black MacBook by Gleng · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, it's really not that great value for the black ones. It's quite an expensive price bump for the black finish and an extra few gigs of hard dr....OH GOD I WANT A BLACK MACBOOK!

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    1. Re:Black MacBook by TonyZahn · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ladies and gentlemen, that "woompf" sound you just heard was teh reality distortion field taking effect. You can see how the subjects opinion of the black macbook changes instantly and with great force.

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  17. Display Spanning by hexdcml · · Score: 3, Interesting
    On the DESIGN page, looking the image, it looks like the new MacBooks support display spanning instead of the expected 'mirroring'.

    Dual Purpose Get the big picture when you join your MacBook with either a stunning 20- or 23-inch Apple Cinema Display by way of a crystal-clear connection miniDVI port. (Requires miniDVI to DVI adapter, sold separately.)

    It looks sweet.

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  18. One thing that is definitely a welcome addition by Clockwurk · · Score: 5, Informative

    is the addition of screen spanning, mirroring, and lid closed operation with a external monitor. Integrated graphics are a bummer, but are expected given their appearence in the mac mini. The new screen is long overdue (a 1024x768 screen doesn't cut it in 2006). Now the only thing we still are waiting on is a replacement for the powermac, but seeing as how few of the major pro apps are universal binaries, that release may be a ways down the road.

  19. marketing tactics by Budenny · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1.83Ghz - $1099.00
    2.0 Ghz, 60GB HDD- $1299.00
    2.0 Ghz, 80GB HDD, Black - $1499.00

    You wonder why? Because you have to give people something to show, visible to the world, that they have got for their money, and the more useless it is the better. You are selling to people who you are encouraging to feel different. Now, there is a subset who want to send out the message that they are different enough for a few hundred dollars to be of no importance to them whatever compared to the color of the thing.

    It is designer label marketing. The funny part is, its aspirational, not having arrived. The richest guy I ever knew was once arranging a car purchase. His assistant asked him what kind he wanted. "a blue one, yes dark blue" he said. I don't suppose he even knew what marque it was.

    Meanwhile lots of sad people go around saying they wouldn't be seen dead in a Ford and thinking various other brands are marks of class.

    Basically, the black mac, its marketed for you to send a message to your friends, which, if you had achieved what the message would like to send, it would never occur to you to want to send it, and certainly not like this.

    Its like Lenox china for the digerati, and equally gauche.

    1. Re:marketing tactics by tbone1 · · Score: 2, Funny
      What's so bad about people in China running Linux?

      Um, one hour later they'll want to run it again? </OLD_JOKE>

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    2. Re:marketing tactics by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The richest guy I ever knew was once arranging a car purchase. His assistant asked him what kind he wanted. "a blue one, yes dark blue" he said.

      That's unusual. All of the rich people I've known would have answered: "used".

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  20. Pics of the black one! by objekt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Something this topic is sorely lacking
    http://www.apple.com/macbook/gallery/index2.html

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  21. Re:Specs and Prices (US and UK) (VAT anyone??) by ImdatS · · Score: 2, Informative

    The difference is partially in VAT. If you calculate the VAT out of the price, the difference between US- and UK-price is (still) US$ 150 on the black and US$ 144 on the white 2GHz.

    I don't know if there is any additional tax or whatever in UK. I guess the difference is to compensate for the current exchange rate (US$ vs GBP and US$ vs EUR) as well as for administrative overhead in Europe (Apple Europe + Apple UK)

  22. Great! by Nexum · · Score: 2, Interesting

    UK education prices are: £643 with VAT (£548 without).

    What a great deal for a Core Duo 1.83GHz CPU, decent other specs, software etc. plus the little Front Row remote.

    From the Dell UK website, for £802(the link page here says £649, when you go to the configure page, the price jumps to £802, wtf?) for the Inspiron M, you can get a slower CPU (1.66GHz Core Duo), same memory, same HDD, inferior Graphics (Intel GMA 900 vs GMA 950 in the Macbook). Same optical drive, except the Macbook is slot loading (nice). Both have 802.11g networking, but the Macbook also comes with Bluetooth 2.0EDR, the Dell has no Bluetooth capability.

    The Dell does have an extra inch on the screen than the Macbook, but is not widescreen.

    The Dell lacks:
    - Bluetooth
    - Remote
    - iLife
    - OS X


    The Dell is also bigger in every dimension. Heavier too. Whichever of the two prices Dell.co.uk give you (£649 or £802) it's clear that the Macbook is very competitive price-wise if you're a student. (We are comparing prices for students here, but I believe the price compares well without the student discount too.)

    Looks like a great little machine at a really affordable price. Very impressed, I was worried we'd see some price hikes.

    (Ah just figured out the pricing difference on the Dell site, they 'automatically' select the highest service-level when you go to the configure screen... great.)

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  23. Dual Channel for the graphics adapter by IYagami · · Score: 5, Informative

    The use of RAM in pairs is due to the inclusion of an Intel Integrated Graphics.

    If you put the RAM in pairs the amount of bandwith is double compared to the use of one single module (dual channel vs single channel)

  24. Re:MacBook Vs Dell by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nice.
    I wonder what does Dell charge for a built in hi-res webcam, slot loading optical, 1.08 inch wide "my 5 year old just stepped on it" resistant case, scrollpad, iLife and OS X.
    Now it looks even worse for Dell.

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  25. Apple is going to clean up with this one by jedrek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's late May, HS graduation is around the corner and here comes Apple with its flagship college laptop. At this price point, and with these specs, I'm pretty sure Apple won't be able to fill demand. A it's an $1100 Apple engineered laptop with built-in webcam, wifi and bluetooth that can also run Windows (and run it VERY well) - AWESOME. Sure, nobody's going to be playing games on it - nobody ever bought an Apple laptop to play games before (generalization) - but 90% of college students aren't CS majors and there are probably more people interested in the iSight web cam then in 3D performance.

    Not too big, not so small that you can't see the screen, with a LOT of horsepower under the hood and the incredible iLife package to boot. The only comparable performance/form factor laptops I can find after a cursory search are $1700+ VAIOs, so the price point is pretty great too. If I were a betting man, I'd be putting a buy order on some Apple stock today.

    (All this said, the only one I would ever think about getting is the lowest-end model and dropping in some extra RAM.)

    1. Re:Apple is going to clean up with this one by Neoprofin · · Score: 3, Funny

      I for one welcome our porn creating dorm-room overlords.

  26. Black MacBook and new logo by Fr05t · · Score: 2, Funny

    "... MacBook in a stunning new black enclosure."

    And here is the new MacBook logo

  27. No Microphone?! by JohnsonJohnson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looking at the technical specifications there does not seem to be a microphone in the MacBook, compare with the MacBook Pro specifications for example. The wording on the iSight pages for the two machines seem carefully phrased to avoid the indicating that the MacBook has a microphone. For example they mention videoconferencing but not podcasting as they do for the Pro. What are you supposed to do, videoconference in sign language? It seems like a pretty major oversight, I need to get to a store to confirm if this is the case. Does anyone have conclusive information that the MacBook does have a microphone?

    1. Re:No Microphone?! by Kaelan · · Score: 2, Informative

      A couple of observations... as mentioned in another reply, it is listed on the comparison chart, despite absent from the technical specs. Also, while not conclusive, there is a distince difference in appearance of the iSight camera on the top bezel. If you look at the picture on the iSight page for the MacBook, there is a small hole on the left side, opposite the active-led. This hole is absent on the MacBook Pros, as the microphone is built into the speaker grille. I'm betting the tech specs simply overlooked its presence, lumping it into a standard iSight feature.

  28. My purchase. by the+web · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, I'm gonna get a white 2.0 dual core, upgrade the harddrive for $60 and buy a $5 can of black spray paint. A net savings of $135!

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  29. pairing by a_greer2005 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I beleive with certin types of DDR ram, pairing yeilds better proformance than a single bigger DIM, so I would probably match both slots with new ram anyway if I were upgrading; hell, for ~$200 from a 3rd party, why not upgrade to 2GB

  30. Oh snap! Blogging and podcasting! by babbling · · Score: 5, Funny

    Introducing the superfast, blogging, podcasting, do-everything-out-of-the-box MacBook.

    Finally, a laptop that can do blogging and podcasting. This is exactly what I've been waiting for! Go Apple!

  31. Glossy screen on MacBook Pro by jrau · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, apparently, for no extra charge, you can now get a glossy screen on the MacBook Pro. Can anyone explain to me why you would want a glossy screen? It just seems like it would make the glare rediculous.

    1. Re:Glossy screen on MacBook Pro by miscz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except for the times you have to use a notebook in real life, outdoors or in sunlight. Glossy LCDs are worse than old CRTs when it comes to reflecting light. Their colours are great but only in good conditions, colours on the classic matte displays may be more bland but at least I can see something when I go out on a sunny day. I understand that some people use notebooks just as a stationary computers but 13" MacBook seemed to be a mainly a portable system.

    2. Re:Glossy screen on MacBook Pro by Eil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly. Some new HPs apparently come with this newfangled glossy screen. My first thought:

      "Wait, isn't that a step backward?"

      I mean, it took forever for low-glare CRT screens to become commonplace and LCDs luckily had them right off the bat. Now we're going back to a glare-ful displays? Okay, you MIGHT argue that the increased brightness of the display means that you can get away with a non-non-glare screen in most situations. BUT, the backlights in LCDs tend to lose brightness over time, and those that burn brightest get darker quicker. I'm betting that in 2 years, you'll see a flood of these on eBay because the owners couldn't read their damn screens unless they turn out all the lights.

    3. Re:Glossy screen on MacBook Pro by boomerny · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I got a new Macbook today to replace an aging Pismo and I was worried about the glossy screen too. Even in the Apple store I was looking at it from every angle trying to see if the screen would be an issue. Once I got home and started using it though I found it's not a problem at all. The only time I can see any glare is if the background is black.

  32. Where is the Mac Tablet by ip_freely_2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was really hoping Apple would step up and try to develop one. The Win Tablet market is so inadequate.

  33. Dell vs Apple Price Comparison by ZombieRoboNinja · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Decided I'd browse over to Dell and see how big the "Apple premium" is sitting right now.

    Dell Inspiron E1405:
    14.1" screen (1280x800)
    Core Duo 1.83
    1 GB RAM (can't get 512)
    80 GB HD
    Total cost: $1540

    MacBook:
    13.3" screen (1280x800)
    Core Duo 1.83
    512 MB RAM
    80 GB HD
    built-in Webcam
    Total cost: $1100 ...So the Apple premium now stands at -$340, close as I can figure.

    1. Re:Dell vs Apple Price Comparison by DrXym · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hmm, let's see if we can do better: Acer TravelMate TM4202WLMi http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E502UO/104-61 49296-7670321?v=glance&n=541966 * Affordable notebook PC with 15.4-inch LCD; 1.67 GHz Intel Core Duo T2300 with 2 MB L2 cache * 100 GB hard drive, 1 GB of RAM (2 GB max), dual-layer/multi-format DVD burner * Four USB 2.0, Type II PCMCIA slot, headphone (with SPDIF support), microphone * Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 (128 MB of shared RAM); tri-mode 802.11a/b/g wireless connectivity * Windows XP Professional All for $999

    2. Re:Dell vs Apple Price Comparison by lal · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I just bought this: Inspiron E1505 15.4" screen Core Duo 1.66 1 GB RAM 80 GB HDD for $996.

    3. Re:Dell vs Apple Price Comparison by sheldon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dell gives you multiple options and ability to custom configure, plus there are a variety of discounts.

      Dell Inspiron E1405
      WXGA screen(as opposed to the WXGA+ upgrade)
      Core Duo 1.83
      512 Megs RAM
      60 Gig HD (The MacBook comes with a 60 gig, not 80)
      Intel 3945 802.11/a/b/g card
      Bluetooth
      1 Year Warranty
        $1037
      - $300 coupon
      = $737

    4. Re:Dell vs Apple Price Comparison by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Go easy on him. He just got fired as the stage manager for Spinal Tap. :-)

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    5. Re:Dell vs Apple Price Comparison by be-fan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I like big screens (I've got a 24" LCD on my desk), but I've come t the conclusion that its pointless trying to have both features in the same laptop. When you're using the thing on the move, the bigger screen is a liability (I can't open my 15" LCD in coach if the buy behind me decides to recline). When you're using the thing on your desk, every laptop screen pales in comparison to a good desktop LCD (I've got a 24" on my desk). Therefore, screen size is basically a wash. Bigger laptop screens make the laptop less useful and more painful to carry around. Smaller screens are harder to work with, but at least you can work with them in cases where you would not be able to with a larger screen.

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    6. Re:Dell vs Apple Price Comparison by Peldor · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Or if you have any competence you could configure an E1405 from Dell with...

      14.1" screen (1280x800)
      Core Duo 1.83
      512 MB RAM
      60 GB HD
      for $899

      The only way you'd get that Dell up to $1500+ is with a 4 year warranty. You can get a 7200 RPM harddrive and DVD burner and still be cheaper than the base MacBook.

      There's still an Apple premium. The software may be worth the difference, but as long as you want to spec just the hardware, that's a damn expensive webcam.

    7. Re:Dell vs Apple Price Comparison by Theaetetus · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Not really. The only comparison that's important is that the machine fits YOUR needs. That's the only thing that matters in the end.

      Hmm... MacMini - $500... Dell Dual Xeon Desktop system with 30" LCD - $6000. I guess Apples are cheaper.
      See - this is why people compare things that are as identical as possible. The more variables you change, the less apt your comparison is.

    8. Re:Dell vs Apple Price Comparison by be-fan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The point is that you haven't shown that "there are PC models with equivalent functionality out there selling for less." You've offered two competing laptops which differ moderately in price, features, and the reputation of their brand name (the 3000 you pointed to isn't a Thinkpad!).

      If you're going to trot out the "PC models with equivalent functionality out there selling for less", at least try and do an apples-to-apples comparison. Don't completely ignore the software advantages of the Mac (ease of use, lack of spyware/viruses, eye-candy, etc), and the features of the Macbook. I'm seeing some really ridiculous statements on this thread. Like "Compensate for the built-in iSight with a $25 USB camera". The quality of the built-in iSight is *very* good. It definitely beats the $100+ Quickcam Orbit MP I've got lying around here. You should add $100 to the price of all the competing notebooks to compensate for the iSight. The rigidity of the Macbook case is a big deal. As someone who has carried around a flimsy Dell laptop for years, I can tell you that a good solid case is worth a lot more to me than $100. The weight and slimness do matter. 1.5" versus 1.08" (for the Acer you pointed to) is a difference you'll notice when trying to cram our laptop bag full of all the documents you carry with you. That convenience is worth something.

      So if you want to be able to criticize the Macbook's value, do it legitimately. Compare the Macbook to a laptop from a top-tier company, with a similar screen size, similar thickness and weight, and similar features. An equivalent Vaio SZ 13.3" runs $1660. It's almost identical feature-for feature, but a pound lighter (due to the use of magnesium versus polycarbonate). An equivalent Dell E1405 has a bigger screen at a similar weight (5.3lb), and costs $1040 similarly specced (no video camera, though). That's Dell --- a manufacturer widely regarded as selling very affordable machines! An equivalentlly specced (complete with webcam), and sized (14.1" LCD, 5.37 lb) HP DV1000t costs $1150 after $50 MIR. A ThinkPad T60 has a slower processor, dedicated X1300 graphics, but starts at $1500.

      Look at the vendors Apple is competing with. Relative to them, Apple is selling a product that has the reputation of Thinkpads and VAIOs, in a price range right around that of Dell and HP...

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    9. Re:Dell vs Apple Price Comparison by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. I consider it a differentiater.

      A differentiator is a significant difference. Thanks for conceding the point.

      Obviously it depends on the individual needs, but they aren't critical.

      It depends upon the individual needs. Thanks for conceding another point.

      Well that was a choice Apple made.

      Yes, just as Dell decided to include a modem. Each is something that cost money and was included by one vendor and not the other. Whether we care which we have or whether we ever expect to use either the optical drive or the modem is irrelevant for purposes of comparing the relative costs of the machines and their hardware.

      You're shitting me. You think Apple invented this?

      I'll take that to mean you don't know if you can use it this way under Windows with the available drivers and this hardware, otherwise point me to a link bright boy.

      I know who consumer reports is. If you did, you wouldn't put so much faith in them.

      This is the logical fallacy of, "ad hominem attack," thanks for playing. Gee who has more credibility Consumer Reports or "sheldon"... gee tough one here. I take it you still haven't found a credible report to the contrary, nor a logical argument to refute their study.

      Ok fan boi. Whatever.

      Either go back to believing whatever you heard somewhere in marketing materials, or sit down and read a book on logic and critical thinking. Then do a little research and base your opinion on that research, not on what facts you can find to support the opinion you already made. All you've presented is unsupported opinion, with a healthy dose of spotty reasoning. I like Apple hardware and much of their software. I also like Lenovo hardware and even some Sony models. The reason for this is the features and quality of the hardware. In addition to my own personal experience, I have some pretty good statistical evidence to back up my purchasing decisions. What exactly do you have again?

  34. Re:Not good enough. by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Integrated graphics?

    It's the low-end consumer machine. Having integrated graphics is common, just look at other machines in the same price range.

    Shipping with 2xSODIMMS? (meaning your tossing out both)

    The intel chipset used needs paired RAM chips for reasonable performance.

    Black is essentially a premium color? It cost more that the system below it with a $50 upgrade to the HDD.

    You were expecting it to cost less than the model below it? Yup it's a $50 hard drive upgrade and tax on the fashion conscious. If you don't like it, don't pay it.

    Not good enough.

    ...then don't buy it. What is the point of complaining here that a machine doesn't have the specs you want?

  35. Re:anytime soon by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The only reason I said "anytime soon" was because I knew someone would say "well, FireWire isn't going to around *forever*". Of course it's not. All standards change, and some are supplanted by others.

    But when the iPods dropped FireWire, everyone took that as some kind of "hint" that Apple was "backing away" from FireWire, shunning the standard, and quietly putting it to sleep/death. No. That is not the case. It wasn't then, and it isn't now.

    The iPods dropped FireWire likely because of a technical/marketing/cost decision. Most iPod purchasers were (and are) Windows PC owners, almost all of whom don't have FireWire, but DO have USB, and most USB 2.0. All of Apple's machines for the last few years also had USB 2.0 (and at least have USB, since 1998). If one interface had to go for standardize chipset and sizing/cost concerns, it seems pretty clear which one it was to be.

    Of course, many people took that as a sign that Apple was getting rid of FireWire completely. There was no basis, however, to make that assumption.

    As I've said before:

    While specific features of future Macintosh computers cannot be predicted, FireWire is an critical protocol that has come to be relied upon. Some important factors to note:

    - FireWire usage across the industry is increasing, not decreasing
    - FireWire is featured on all currently shipping Intel-based Macs
    - FireWire is required for Target Disk Mode, a critical feature that many administrators and the Migration Assistant depend on; USB is not supported for these tasks
    - FireWire is increasingly used as the interface of choice on modern digital video and audio equipment
    - Since July 2005, all HD cable set top boxes are mandated by the FCC to come with a "functional IEEE-1394 [FireWire] port"
    - FireWire is the primary (and often only) transport mechanism used by all digital video (DV) and high definition digitial video (HDV) cameras and decks
    - Application software and features on every Mac, like iMovie, iDVD, and the SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW), depend on FireWire to import video into the computer via DV


    For these reasons, it makes no sense that FireWire would have been abandoned now, nor will it be in the near future. *Someday* will machines ship without FireWire? Yeah, and someday they'll ship without USB, too. These standards will die just like everything else does, eventually. Did USB "win" in the mainstream desktop peripheral connectivity war? Yes, of course it did. Long ago. Unfortunately, just because USB and FireWire appeared to compete in some common areas (like desktop storage), the perception was that they were completely competitive standards, and that's not true. Technically, FireWire and USB are a lot different. Could USB be expanded to subsume at least some of the functionality of FireWire? Could a future iteration of USB provide some of the hostless or multi-host peer capabilities of FireWire? Could a universal DV-over-USB standard be adopted? Sure, to all of them. But FireWire is here now, and is used for all of these tasks.

    Apple didn't go out of its way to keep FireWire just so the Intel transition was "less disruptive". It keep FireWire because customers need and want it, and its products and product features depend upon it. Apple isn't the only one keeping FireWire alive. It's used all over the industry. All of Apple's computing products will have it for quite some time, and there's no logical or technical reason to believe otherwise.

  36. It's there. by DeRobeHer · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to the comparison chart http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/compariso n_chart.html , both the MacBook and the MacBook Pro have a built in omnidirectional microphone. Why it's not listed on the technical specs, I don't know.

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  37. Glossy screen? by caseih · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple's web site indicates this new model has a stunning glossy screen. Am I the only one that hates these new glossy screens. They reflect glare and just look bad. The screen on the MacBook Pro isn't glossy. Why does the MacBook need a glossy screen?

    1. Re:Glossy screen? by Kaelan · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I agree completely with the glossy screen sentiment. They can transmit light more directly, making things more 'vibrant'. Of course its like starring at a mirror, though. I can't stand the things. I think the real reason they are popular is because the screen is shiny. People like shiny things.

      An interesting additional point is that the MacBook Pro can now also be order with the glossy screen. Fortunately its only an option, not standard.

    2. Re:Glossy screen? by shagoth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It looks like it's got chiclet keys. They may not be rubber ala the PC Junior but I can't see that thing being comfy to type on.

      "MacBook features a unique new keyboard design that sits flush against the bed for a sleeker, lower profile. Plus, you'll find a firmer touch when typing. That ought to make your fingers happy." That has the ominous tone of marketing to cover for a crappy keyboard. It will be interesting once people start putting hands on these machines.

    3. Re:Glossy screen? by phobos512 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't care if they tell me this "glossy" anti-reflective coating is better. I've used it, I HATE IT! I was looking forward to the release of these laptops but now I'm forced to either get the 15" Pro or go elsewhere...But I really want OSX so I guess I'm stuck :(

    4. Re:Glossy screen? by adpowers · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Okay, so it's not just me. I saw that on the page and did a double take. I really don't like the look of glossy screens. I've been seeing more and more on Windows laptops and I've always thought, "God, I'm glad my laptop isn't like that." I prefer the matte and I hope Apple isn't moving away from that.

  38. Re:MacBook Vs Dell by drgreg911 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What to do? Just switch 'em to the Mac. I've been gradually switching friends and family for a couple of years now. Typically there's a period of a few weeks where I get a lot of questions - what software should I use for X? how do I find setting Y?. After that, support calls from them drop dramatically.

  39. 3 reasons why it may be done by vkapadia · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Was that deliberately written to be maximize outrage?

    You pay an extra $200 for an 0.17Ghz and a SuperDrive (DVD±RW, CD-RW) instead of a Combo drive (DVD-ROM, CD-RW).

    And then you pay an extra $50 for the extra 20Gb of space.

    The outrage should come from the extra $150 on top of THAT to get a black finish.

    I can only think of 3 reasons as to why Apple did this:
    1) Typo (unlikely, $1499 seems like a price point they want to fill)
    2) They want to exploit people's desire for something "trendier" and something Different.
    3) More expensive for them somehow (It may cost them more for black cases since its not created in the same volume as white ones. Or it may have more protection from scratches than the Black iPod, which costs more)

    I don't really know which it is, but I find anger against Apple to be amusing in this case. If aesthetics are important to you, then pay the $150 extra. If its not, then don't. No one is entitled the same price for both. If the black one had something you COULDN'T get in white (say, Firewire 800), but was still unnecessarily expensive (say $300 more expensive instead of $150), then I could see outrage, as Apple is forcing you to spend $150 extra on aesthetics when you just wanted the Firewire 800.

  40. Warning label by aed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Thanks to a 13.3-inch glossy widescreen display that's 79% brighter...."
    Good thing they put this warning on the website, although they make it sound like a glossy display is actually a good thing...
    (Perhaps it is a good thing for people wanting to spend $1099 on an Apple designed make-up mirror?)

  41. Re:Only 512 MB of RAM by noewun · · Score: 2, Informative
    We all know OS X runs like a dog on 512 MB of RAM

    We do? Cause 10.4.6 runs just fine on my 6 year old, 500 MHz G3 laptop with 512 megs of RAM. Runs as fast as Ubuntu Linux, dual-booted on the same machine.

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  42. Re:Way to heavy by mmeister · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know why Apple always makes only heavy notebooks, but they should stop.

    You make it sounds like they purposefully put lead in the product to weigh it down.

    The lighter the materials, the more the cost -- at which point you would probably complain that
    "I don't know why Apple always makes only expensive notebooks, but they should stop."

    In other words, it seems clear that you will never be happy with Apple's notebook -- so don't buy one. End of story.

  43. Glossy Display...Details? by necro81 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can anyone give me more information about what Apple means by a "glossy display?" The press release and website are quite short on details. As a matter of fact, on the MacBook's product page, there is even a hyperlink referring to the glossy display. Alas, it takes me to the Design page which, while cool and informative, doesn't have any information about the display.

    I assume the glossy display is meant to improve the contrast and sharpen things up in general, getting away from the flat matte of most LCD screens. I'll probably have to wait a few weeks for pictures of this new laptop sitting side by side with an iBook to tell the difference (there is no Apple store in my remote viscinity).

    I am a little wary of it, however. I have encountered laptops with what I would have called "glossy" screens. Instead of the matte surface finish of a typical LCD, it looked like the LCD was encased in glass. No doubt this improved the screen clarity and contrast in darkened environments, but the screens were about as reflective as, well, plate glass.

    I trust apple to not go with something that flawed. Does anyone have more info?

    1. Re:Glossy Display...Details? by rnelsonee · · Score: 2, Informative
      It's probably the same tech as Dell's "TrueLife" displays. I just got one Dell's laptops with that feature, and everything is glossy (which means background lights show up more clearly), but this is offset by the fact the colors are bright and vibrant. It's it's the same tech, it means they put a coating that is smooth, and keeps the light coming from behind the LCD from becoming diffused, while at the same time has an index of refraction that is in between air and the LCD screen, which means that most of the light bouncing off the screen doesn't get reflected right back at you.

      Wonderful diagrams, and a better explanation are here:

      http://www.screentekinc.com/pixelbright-lcds.shtml

  44. Re:Two words: glossy screen... by insignificant1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Amen about the glossy display. I purchased my hp laptop online, and got the free upgrade for brighter screen. No mention of the glare, though. It's a real pain to use in a lot of lighting settings that a matte display with less brightness will handle fine. When I have an application with a black background and light-colored text in the foreground, if I'm sitting by a window (indirect sunlight only) I can't read the text at all, for example. Completely unusable outside except at night.

    Here's waiting for something like OLED displays, or the like, that one can actually use outside and in broader range of lighting situations.

    Spread the word.

  45. Make a fair comparison by GauteL · · Score: 3, Informative

    "1 GB RAM (can't get 512)"

    Then why not just upgrade the iBook to 1GB? It then costs $1,249.

    Thus the price difference is $1540 - $1249 = $291.

    Your price difference is wrong, and you have not included the cost of the 80GB HD upgrade.

    I still think that is an amazing deal, even though you get a slightly smaller screen.

  46. Huh? by sheldon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only comparable performance/form factor laptops I can find after a cursory search are $1700+ VAIOs, so the price point is pretty great too.

    You can get a similarly equipped Dell E1405 for about $800. The only thing missing is a webcam, but an USB webcam would cost you $25.

    But then, when I was in college... I bought Levi Jeans. Some students can afford to spend twice as much for designer labels.

  47. Re:Way to heavy by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sony has a very similar machine (13.3", Core Duo, Camera, etc) that's a full pound and a half lighter.

    I bet it gets a full hour less battery life too.

    The heaviest component in these things is the battery. Generally, the lighter the laptop the more often you have to find a plug. (Enormous "Portable Workstations" and "Desktop Replacements" excepted).

  48. Re:Not quite apples and apples by chowhound · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Good comparison, but there's one important thing to consider: Win 2000/XP is going to perform a hell of a lot better on the same hardware than OSX does. This machine is a monster of a PC unless you have some kind of special needs. This is the lowest-end OSX machine.

    That's not true, I run the latest version of OS X for PPC on my G4/400 w/1 GB RAM and for normal operations it runs just as fast as my MacBook Pro runs the Intel version of 10.4.6 using 512 MB RAM.

    My stepdaughter runs 10.3.9 on a G3/400 with 800 MB RAM with equal alacrity.

    You must remember that unlike Windows, OS X isn't bloatware. Those iBooks (er... MacBooks) will run OS X like a dream.

  49. Re:Not for me by Zed2K · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah and the HP weighs 6.1lbs compared to 5.2lbs. The HP is also thicker. And people are really going to use those serial and parallel ports. That 56k modem sure will come in handy. Haven't used a phone line modem in about 8 years, but you never know. You'll just need to add so many peripherals to that so those pc card slots will get a work out. All of that makes it worth saving 50 bucks or so...

  50. 12" is a slight loss by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One thing I always loved about the 12" Powerbook is that it is almost exactly the dimensions of an 8.5" x 11" standard sheet of paper - which meant it fit into any space a typical binder would fit. The 13" is nice, as is the aspect ratio, but I cannot help but mourn the loss of what I considered 'perfect' ultraportable laptop size.

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  51. Yay. by C10H14N2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Vacation in Wilmington. Ah yes, "A Place To Be Somebody" where "It's Good to be First."

    Yes, I often find myself thinking "Oooh, St. Moritz or Wilmington? I just can't decide."

  52. Re:Not quite apples and apples by amliebsch · · Score: 2, Informative
    You must remember that unlike Windows, OS X isn't bloatware.

    Bloat or no bloat, OSX on Core Duo seems to trail the pack in simple horsepower.

    http://sekhon.berkeley.edu/macosx/intel.html

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  53. Re:Graphic card by miscz · · Score: 2, Informative

    -Think about Intel GMA950 as something like GeForce 3, maybe GF4, but with worse compatibility. Some Windows Games won't run (Psychonauts come to my mind as I tried to run it on my friend's notebook with GMA900) but for example Half Life 2 runs reasonably. You can check compatibility list on Intel's site. Keep in mind that Intel integrated graphics just own everything in terms of power consumption, putting in a real mobile chipset would decrease battery life a lot, not to mention increasing the cost.

    -If you're asking if GMA950 is enough to run Vista eye-candy then yes, no problems, Vista's requirements are way too overhyped as is suckiness of Intel graphics ;)

  54. Re:MacBook Vs Dell by biglig2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Minicard means that the wifi is internal, but is user replaceable - it's about as hard (or easy) as replacing the RAM. The idea being that you can buy the g card and upgrade to h later, or whatever, without soldering.

    The BT is replaceable too, although you have to bully Dell into selling you one of the damn things to add it later.

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  55. Battery Performance by n8_f · · Score: 2, Informative
    It looks like the battery performance is much closer to the iBook than I thought it would be:

    Work Longer Unplugged
    MacBook offers up to 6 hours of battery life. (2.5 hours of DVD playback, 3.5 hours with wireless turned on.) Here's how to squeeze out every last second of battery power when you need it.

    Turn off AirPort and Bluetooth if you're not using them
    Disconnect peripherals not in use
    Quit applications not in use
    Eject CDs and DVDs not in use
    Choose Energy Saver in System Preferences, click the Show Details button, and:
    Select "Better Battery Life"
    Set MacBook to sleep after five minutes (or less) of inactivity
    Put the display to sleep after five minutes (or less) of inactivity
    Check the box next to "Put the hard disk to sleep when possible"

    It will be tempting to switch from my MBP just for the battery life. Although the weight is now only 6.4 ounces less. Still, if work didn't pay for my laptop, there is no question which one I'd buy. I already have an external DVD burner (and dual-layer to boot), so I'd get the cheapest and spend the extra $200 on maxing out the RAM. The only thing that would give me pause is the integrated graphics. I don't care about games, but I do use Aperture and some other pro apps and I'd like to know what difference this will make. Apple is going to be supply constrained for quite a while.
  56. Desktop Rumors? by BigZaphod · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone have any guesses on when Apple might upgrade their G5 pro desktop line? I got my dad to finally consider getting a Mac, but now he's convinced that he needs the biggest and baddest machine possible before he'll buy one. (He won't just get a top of the line iMac at this point since it isn't "pro" enough somehow. *sigh*) Since the G5 appears to be on the way out, I told him to hold off buying a PowerPC desktop and wait for the Intel upgrade - but it has been awhile now, and there hasn't been any mention of upgrading the PowerMac line that I've heard. (And apparently the money to buy a new computer is burning a hole in his wallet or something - wish I had that problem!) He even called Apple to ask them, but the tech support response was that PowerMacs would never be upgraded and support for them would never be dropped. (Sounds a bit fishy to me... I suppose if they change the name to something without "Power" in there, technically the guy didn't lie.)

    1. Re:Desktop Rumors? by morrisonsean · · Score: 2, Informative
      Rumor is that they are waiting for the Intel Core 2 Duo chips.

      from Ars:

      Less than a year after announcing the transition to an all-Intel architecture, Apple is almost there. The only PowerPC machines left are the Power Mac G5 and the Xserve, both of which await the arrival of the Intel Core 2 Duo (aka, Conroe and Merom), presumably this summer. At that point, Apple's 12-year dalliance with the PowerPC CPU will have come to an end. The king is dead. Long live the king!
  57. Glossy? by BigZaphod · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Has anyone had a chance to play with these in-person yet in an Apple store? (There are no such stores around here...) How does the glossy display look and feel? How does it compare with a standard Windows screen or vs. the displays used on the MacBook Pros or older PowerBooks and iBooks?

  58. Glossy Bullshit by Kenshin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not certain, but I think the basic rule is that glossy displays are good for watching movies and games, while matte displays are good for actual work related activity.

    Yes, because I remember all the countless times I've seen my window reflected on my TV and thought "Gee, the picture sure looks so much better with all kinds of shit reflected on it."

    I wanted a MacBook... but now I'm gonna have to wait till they de-gloss the screen.

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  59. Re:Not quite apples and apples by chowhound · · Score: 2, Informative

    The parent stated that Windows would be "a hell of a lot faster" on the same hardware. The Berkeley article you reference states only that for statistical computing XP runs 10% faster. So opening Safari takes 1.8 seconds instead of 2.0? I think Grandma can live with that.

    (On a side note, they didn't mention what version of Tiger they were using... the difference in speed between 10.4.5 and 10.4.6 was remarkable with my MBP.)

  60. It's a Mac Mini "To Go" by Soong · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Probably 90% of the same parts and specs, right down to the lame integrated intel 950 graphics which have no video memory and steal system memory. Still, if the $800 mini is an ok deal, then including a display, keyboard, trackpad, battery and camera for as little as $300 more is a pretty good deal.

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  61. no way! by AlgorithMan · · Score: 2, Funny

    MacBook in a newly designed, sleek white enclosure
    A WHITE apple product!? you must be kidding!

    and [...] in a stunning new black enclosure.
    BLACK LAPTOPS!? no way! what ultra-ingenious artist could come up with such an idea? I'm totally stunned! http://www.total.net/~hrothgar/museum/Compass/Comp ass1.JPG

    The new MacBook offers performance up to five times faster than the iBook and up to four times faster than the 12-inch PowerBook
    does that mean it overheats five times faster or does that mean apple sues people five times faster who point such disadvantages out publicly?

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  62. WWDC by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Informative

    WWDC 2006 takes place August 7 - August 11, 2006.

    This is the likeliest date for an announcement/unveiling.

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  63. Keyboard by Mattel? by Beltway+Prophet · · Score: 2, Funny
    Tibor the hun wrote:

    I wonder what they've changed with respect to keyboard.
    They claim that it is firmer than before.
    Picture



    Compare:

    Mattel Aquarius
  64. I like glossy. by guidryp · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was looking at various LCD's in store and the Sony Glossy screen models looked really nice. The non glossy next to it looks like someone took steel wool to the surface. Hey that might be a solution to glossy woes. :-)

    I wouldn't mind matte either but the current screens are kind blah. I would prefer something more like the screen on a real glass monitor like my trinitron. Which manages to be perfectly but manages glare quite well.

    I think the matte laptop screen are too matte.

  65. Just picked up the black model. by jon.wolf · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's heavy (heavier than my Superdrive Powerbook and S-Series VAIO), the finish is matte (reminds me of a black RAZR) but should be durable, and fast. Photos are here: http://beta.zooomr.com/photos/jwolf More to come...

  66. The dealbreaker for me... (No DVD-DL burning) by bobdotorg · · Score: 2, Informative

    I currently have a 1.5GHz 12" PB. I was all ready to buy a white 2.0 GHz for the academic price of $1,199.

    DIY 2GB ram would add $200 or so, and when 160GB SATA drives came down in price, that would be the next DIY upgrade. I figured I could suffer through the nasty keyboard and lack of aluminum enclosure.

    But the lack of dual layer DVD burning killed it for me.

    Now I wait.

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  67. Re:my JOY has become a RESENTMENT by INeededALogin · · Score: 2, Funny

    WHAT DO I DOO??!!

    Your Options:

    1. Kill yourself.
    2. Kill someone else to release anger.
    3. Start an anti-Apple website.
    4. Sell your Apple and get a Dell.
    5. Abandon all this computer stuff to become a Monk.

    Or, just realize that Apple is a company and you are a consumer and that newer models will eventually match the specs of older models so that the new ones have added value. Be Thankful that Apple didn't drop the price to 600 dollars for this laptop. At least you can still sell your laptop and buy one of these newer models.

  68. Re:black U2 iPod taught them something! by twistedcubic · · Score: 3, Funny


    Most of the U2 iPods were sold, not to U2 fans, but to black-colored electronics fans.

    That's funny. None of the black people I know have one.

  69. Re:Maximum operating altitude? by kabz · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think it's due to the aerodynamics of the hard drive heads ... which fly above the platter.

    From the link ... "The system relies on air pressure inside the drive to support the heads at their proper flying height while the disk is in motion. A hard disk drive requires a certain range of air pressures in order to operate properly. The connection to the external environment and pressure occur through a small orifice in the enclosure, usually featuring also a carbon filter on the inside (the breather filter, see below). If the air pressure is too low, there will not be enough lift for the flying head, the head will not be at the proper height, and there is a risk of head crashes and data loss. Specially manufactured sealed and pressurized drives are needed for reliable high-altitude operation, above about 10,000 feet. This does not apply to pressurized enclosures, like an airplane pressurized cabin. Modern drives include temperature sensors and adjust their operation to the operating environment."

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  70. 12-Hour impressions: $1099 MacBook Airport Range by flamingwookie · · Score: 2, Informative
    I am a professional programmer by day, and I've had a G4 TiBook for 5 years now and have been waiting for the MacBook to upgrade to a MacTel. I picked it up last night from my local Apple store and have spent a few hours with it:

    * One of my first tests was the Airport range: the range on the MacBook surpasses other laptops I've seen. The TiBook has notoriously poor WiFi range, and my wife has a 12" AlBook which has better, but not great range. I have an Apple Airport base station in the basement, and my bedroom is 1 level above. I always got dodgy reception with the AlBook, and virtually no reception with the TiBook . . . the MB gives a rock-solid signal from the bedroom, and all throughout the rest of the main level of the house. Fantastic.

    * The "glossy" display looks like the displays I've seen on Sony and Toshiba laptops at Best Buy. The screen is nice and sharp and, IMHO, quite bright (esp. compared to my old TiBook). Looks great reading text, web pages, etc.

    * This was my first experience with Apple's system migration tool. I booted the TiBook in firewire mode (reboot and hold 'T') and connected it to the MB . . . * Keyboard: I never really liked the TiBook keyboard, and I never liked the feel of my wife's AlBook keyboard either. The MB keyboard seems a little on the flimsy side, but it is certainly usable. I like it better than the iBook keyboard which I though to be really flimsy. I haven't noticed any problems with keys in weird positions or things like that. I saw an earlier post griping about the lack of PageUp/PageDown keys, but I've always found that the Fn key (at the bottom-left of Apple keyboards) coupled with the inverse-T keys in the bottom-right give me great cursor control.

    * Speed: This thing is fast compared to the G4.

    * iSight: The camera works great, although it's not going to take any studio quality portraits.

    * Front Row: I don't really care about the remote much, but it is nifty, and works as advertised.

    * MagSafe: I was going to get a G4 PowerBook, but the Intel compatibility and MagSafe were enough for me to wait for the MB. MagSafe needs to be seen to be believed.

    Verdict: For me, the price was right, the CPU performance matches the 1st MacBook Pro (and blows away G4s), and the Airport range is great. I'm glad I waited.