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Linux Annoyances For Geeks

Taran Rampersad writes "Every now and then, someone comes up with a fun title. 'Linux Annoyances for Geeks' is a definitely fun - and accurate - title for this book. While some people have been fiddling with Linux since it first came out, the majority of Linux users haven't been. I started using Linux in the late 90s, and my work schedule didn't allow me to go to meetings, or track down people who knew things. And the first time you do an install on a machine, you may be disconnected from the very information that gets you connected. Been there, done that. So this book attracted me because despite being an advocate of Free Software and Open Source, there are times when I still type very naughty things on the command line. Read the rest of Taran's review. Linux Annoyances For Geeks author Michael Jang pages 484 publisher O'Reilly rating 8/10 reviewer Taran Rampersad ISBN 0-596-00801-5 summary Answers to intermediate questions for Linux users.

Most of the time, I had fiddled with a previous install and gotten it the way I wanted it to work — when I had to do it again with a different install, I'd forgotten how I did it in the first place. There have been times, honestly, where I didn't even know. Fortunately, life has become better. There are books now. Some even come with Linux distributions, and there's plenty of documentation online that you can print out in advance when you go install things on your only connection to the Internet.

But there aren't that many books that really deal with the things that are annoyances, because the annoyances usually come from the late phone calls or the unanswered emails on a list. That's what this book is supposed to be for.

In reading this book, I caught myself nodding a lot. Not to sleep, mind you, but the, "I've seen that before" nod. The descriptions of the desktop environments, GNOME and KDE, started me nodding. Here's an idea of what the book covers:

Configuring a Desktop Environment: There's a great section on KDE and GNOME in here that starts the book off with a bang. Custom login menus, configuring standard backgrounds, desktop icons, oversized desktops and undersized monitors, Naughty mouse syndrome, Naughty users mess up the desktops, the infamous 'broken CD/DVD' problem, No GUI Syndrome, user downloads causing problems and ... sound. This chapter isn't one that I really had personal use for, but when people start asking questions — this is where they start. Great reference material here for desktop-finicky users.

Configuring User Workstations: Backing up data with rsynch and cron explained (where was this in 1999?), 'lost' files, 'lost' data... this chapter is one of my favorites, because people keep asking me about stuff like this. And dealing with Windows folks who complain that there's no ZIP — well, I wish I heard more of that.

Optimizing Internet Applications: I think that optimizing Internet applications is probably one of the largest problems out there, but I haven't really heard anyone ask about any of this. It's very strange. I think the world would be a better place if people read this chapter — from getting Firefox to work properly, sorting email into folders (yes, you can do that...), this covers a lot of ground in a very short space. My personal favorite was converting data from Outlook, which I have never done. Hidden in there are some tips on dealing with Microsoft Exchange Servers.

Setting Up Local Applications: This chapter focuses a lot on getting that irate I-am-new-to-Linux-and-I-want-my-toys person happy. It's filled with converting goodness, PDF inoculations and points you at the cure. And for those users who want movie players, there's something in here for them as well.

Installation Annoyances: This is probably the part of the book that will see the most use. There's a quote in here that I love: "Any A+ certified technician can list the hardware components on a computer. A Linux geek can cite the compatible components, such as the chipsets associated with a specific wireless card. He can use this information to compile the most efficient kernel for his system." So true. This chapter points you at the right resources and walks you through planning an installation. Which is priceless, even as a reminder for geeks.

Basic Start Configuration: Long boot times, bootloader issues, the ever-present dual-booting problems, the 'boot reboot repeat' problem, and my personal favorites, "I lost the password for Root!" and "My Server is So Secure that I can't log in as root". This chapter is pure gold.

Kernel Itches and Other Configuration Annoyances: Kernel upgrades, recompiles, kernel panic, 'file not found' boot error, NFS and Samba directory walkthroughs, and the infamous 'regular users can't mount the CD/DVD. Let's not forget dealing with Microsoft formatted partitions.

System Maintenance: Corrupted Partitions, emergency backups when the hard drive is knocking, small /home directories, slow hard drives, Update Repositories (not to be confused with User Suppositories), Dependency Hell solutions with yum and apt... platinum chapter for the troubleshooters out there.

Servicing Servers: Service Options, enabling downloading of files and , email issues when it is down, 'lost-printer syndrome', the BIND and growing network issue and the 'Windows Computers aren't on the network' issue. All rolled up here in Chapter 9.

User Management: Just about everything you would need to know about administering users, from special groups to keeping former employees from accessing the server, to securing the user (without duct tape).

Administration Tips: A lot of good things here for administrators; my personal favorite being configuring the Linux Gateway. Lots of great stuff in here.

For the life of me, I don't know why Chapter 5, Installation Annoyances, isn't Chapter 1. That seems to be where I've spent the most time helping other people out. The good news is that because it is where it is, the book stays open by itself here. Still, I think that might scare someone walking in while you're troubleshooting an installation. They might wonder what the 173 pages before installation problems was about. In fact, that could be funny... That's about the only thing that I could say I think is a bit off about the book, but perhaps that's by design. It's not a bug, it's a feature!

One of the things I liked most about this book was the fact that the chapters aren't named for the solutions; they are named by the problems. So when you're having a problem, you can find the solution.

Overall, this book meets the criteria for being next to my monitor, for quick reference in helping people out (including the worst one, me!). I haven't had the opportunity to use it's contents yet for Ubuntu, but since the book's solutions include Debian, they should work fine. As the author says in the preface, "The solutions are designed for three of the more prominent Linux distributions: Fedora Core, SUSE, and Debian." It would be interesting to see how it does with the Mandriva distribution.

In the Linux world, there are those that read and there are those that bleed. Those that bleed write what others read. This book was written in blood. It allows the leaders, the bleeders and the readers a means of finding their way around some of the annoyances that crop up. It does so in a well written manner which is well thought out, and amusing when you'll need to be amused.

( Original review on KnowProSE.com.)

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  1. My #1 annoyance: by jargoone · · Score: 5, Funny

    Users

    1. Re:My #1 annoyance: by Winckle · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cocky Admins

    2. Re:My #1 annoyance: by neonprimetime · · Score: 5, Funny

      Know-it-all ./ers

    3. Re:My #1 annoyance: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is that a recursive annoyance or just ironic?

    4. Re:My #1 annoyance: by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's /.ers, not ./ers, n00b!

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    5. Re:My #1 annoyance: by JayDot · · Score: 3, Funny

      The fact that the command "man woman" still doesn't work. How long till we get good a good man page, doggonit?

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    6. Re:My #1 annoyance: by Winckle · · Score: 3, Funny

      Have your shell scripts gained artificial intelligence? I find it helps to lower it, if they start to become know-it-alls.

    7. Re:My #1 annoyance: by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Funny

      You almost have to wonder if he meant to type ./esr

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      This guy's the limit!
    8. Re:My #1 annoyance: by neonprimetime · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Jealous /.ers because the parent got modded Funny ... and they didn't

    9. Re:My #1 annoyance: by colinbrash · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cocky Admins

      Whoops, there goes your home directory!

    10. Re:My #1 annoyance: by Eideewt · · Score: 2, Funny

      And ugly chicks who do.

    11. Re:My #1 annoyance: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ubuntu itself – no, seriously. Wireless support is abyssmal, at least as far as I could tell, and apt-get can be a real pain in the ass with dependency hell... I just can't stand that show-offy astronaut guy, you know? Fine. You've been into outer space. Doesn't mean you can be trusted to create a decent Linux distribution.

      Having said that, I will say Debian is OK, at least in my experience (mostly consisting of using their source code in my own Slackware-based distribution, but hey, at least they're good for something ;-)

    12. Re:My #1 annoyance: by Orange+Crush · · Score: 2, Funny

      The fact that the command "man woman" still doesn't work. How long till we get good a good man page, doggonit?

      Probably as soon as a man learns how to write about the correct operation of a woman. Don't hold your breath.

    13. Re:My #1 annoyance: by Short+Circuit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My home directory fills 200GB of a 250GB drive. And you want me to make a backup?!

      Almost three hundred CD-Rs. Or a little over forty DVD+Rs.

      No cracks about pr0n, please.

    14. Re:My #1 annoyance: by el_$corpio · · Score: 3, Funny

      heh heh heh - you said cracks

    15. Re:My #1 annoyance: by linvir · · Score: 4, Funny
      If you use emacs you can M-x woman man and read the man manpage in woman. :)
      I always knew you emacs people were perverted.
    16. Re:My #1 annoyance: by Liquid+Len · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cocky Admins
      You're telling me ! Mine is a bitch. If it weren't fo
      NO CARRIER

    17. Re:My #1 annoyance: by nuzak · · Score: 2, Informative

      > apt-get can be a real pain in the ass with dependency hell..

      As is any distribution whatsoever that uses packages. RPM doesn't magically solve this problem, and gentoo tends only to hide it unless you do rebuilds of every affected package -- plus not every site wants compilers on all their production systems.

      Consider using aptitude instead of apt-get: it tracks which packages are automatically installed and "garbage collects" them when they're no longer needed, and more recent versions of aptitude offer a way to select alternative dependency resolutions. You can always manually tweak installations and removals whether you're the main package selection screen or a package detail screen.

      Also consider that if you use Sid or a prerelease Ubuntu, you're always going to run into the occasional dependency hell. Such is the bleeding edge.

      I'm not a big Ubuntu fan, and even Debian only inspires lukewarm support from me (it is what I run), but apt is hardly the problem with it (unless you consider its hoary and byzantine internals and the fact that multi-arch is still not done).

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  2. Copy by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 3, Interesting

    & paste.

    1. Re:Copy by Intron · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nothing wrong with copy & paste. My system has three different ways to do it. ... all incompatible

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    2. Re:Copy by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 5, Informative
      >Nothing wrong with copy & paste. My system has three different ways to do it. ... all incompatible

      You must be a Windows user.

      Strange - I am only aware of three cut and paste mechanisms on Windows and they are all compatable with each other. Nothing drives me nuts in Linux like trying to cut something out of a KDE window and paste it into a Gnome window. At least on Windows it is:
      Ctrl-C Ctrl-V
      Right click - Cut Right click - Paste
      menu->edit->mark menu->edit->cut menu->edit->paste
      Which one of those is incompatable?

      Now show me how the different clipboards that exist on a single Linux Desktop can even cut from one and paste to another.

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    3. Re:Copy by HuguesT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hello,

      When was the last time you tried Linux, honestly ? are you still stuck with Debian 3.0 or something ?

      Cut and paste works fine between KDE and Gnome. Even drag-and-drop does now.

      I'll grant you that ^C^V doesn't always work, because ^C is the keyboard combo for SIGINT (interrupt process). Cutting and pasting always work from the menus.

      Now under Windows, try cutting and pasting in the cmd.exe console, and tell me with a straight face that Linux is worse.

    4. Re:Copy by roscivs · · Score: 2, Informative

      These days there are lots of clipboard managers for Linux (Klipper for KDE, Gnome Clipboard Manager for Gnome, IIRC). They synchronize all the different clipboards for you.

      Personally, I prefer having a separate "selection buffer" clipboard and a CTRL-C/CTRL-V clipboard, so I don't use a clipboard manager, but just thought you should know that they do exist.

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      ~ roscivs
    5. Re:Copy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Copying from KDE window (konsole) into GNOME window (gnome-terminal) works quite fine. Just did it. Two different ways (mouse selection and through the menu).

      They both most likely use X clipboard/X selection. What different clipboards are you talking about??? How is the parent "5 Informative" ??? Get a clue!

    6. Re:Copy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ok, smartass, now try doing that with only 1GB of ram!

    7. Re:Copy by swillden · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nothing drives me nuts in Linux like trying to cut something out of a KDE window and paste it into a Gnome window.

      Works fine for me. There is a distinction between the selection buffer (the currently highlighted text) and the clipboard that occasionally confuses people, but it has nothing to do with toolkits.

      If you want to use the selection buffer, just highlight the text, then middle-click to paste. This is by far the nicest way to copy and paste on any system..

      To use the regular clipboard, use the keyboard shortcuts (Ctrl-X, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, just like Windows) or use the menu items.

      Note that this only applies to text, though. Cutting and pasting images, sounds, etc., is more hit and miss (and more miss than hit) across apps with different toolkits.

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    8. Re:Copy by friedmud · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What cracks me up is that people are so used to having _shit_ shoved down their throats by "the man" that they complain when they actually have choices!

      Why does there have to be only 1 clipboard manager? Open source developers were not put on this earth to serve your whims. Use your brain and just choose one! Or none if you prefer (which I do).

      Repeat after me: "Choices are good!"

      Friedmud

    9. Re:Copy by the_womble · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, it is a classic case of FUD, it keeps getting repeated, and the moderators are high enough to mod it +5 insightful.

      I have never had a problem with copy and past in Linux - and Klipper is much better than the Windows equivalent.

      The fact that I use Kipper with Gnome is a pretty convincing demonstration of the compatibility of Linux copy and paste.

    10. Re:Copy by WWWWolf · · Score: 2, Informative
      Now show me how the different clipboards that exist on a single Linux Desktop can even cut from one and paste to another.

      You don't "cut and paste from one another clipboard".

      You have two different clipboards and you're probably using one to copy, another to paste, thus you're probably confused when the results are wrong.

      Basically: X11 has selection and clipboard. Selection is what gets used when you select stuff. This is what gets used when you, in most cases, try to select stuff with left mouse button and try to paste with middle mouse button. The clipboard gets used when you explicitly use the clipboard, with the application's cut/copy/paste commands.

      So basically: Either use left/middle copypaste, or the Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V things.

      Selecting with mouse, then Ctrl+V'ing just doesn't work as expected. Selecting with mouse, Ctrl+C'ing, and then pasting with middle mouse button kind of works (due to doing selection with mouse); Selecting with keyboard, Ctrl+C'ing, and pasting with middle doesn't.

      Once you learn the distinction, this thing is dead simple and you'll notice how much more useful it is than Windows clipboard. In many cases, I wish Windows had this same system too. Too bad it would be met with, um, resistance.

      Heck, my father isn't a computer expert and even he could copy/paste in Linux once. "Uh, edit, copy... edit, paste. There we go!" =)

  3. Annoyances for Geeks? by asv108 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This book seems more like a "Desktop Linux Configuration Guide" than annoyances book. My original understanding of the annoyances series was that the books were for making OS's like OSX and Windows more habitable for say people with a UNIX background.

  4. #1 solution by DaSenator · · Score: 5, Informative

    "RTFM n00b" Possibly one of the single biggest reasons that more people don't make an effective full switch to Linux.

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    1. Re:#1 solution by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Remember that if someone is going to RTFM, someone else needs to WTFM first....

      and hopefully, do a good job, to boot...

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    2. Re:#1 solution by Khaed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know why this is being moderated down. It's a fact.

      I use Linux exclusively. Slackware, to be specific.

      I read as much as I can stand to while trying to configure something. I read readme files, install guides, man pages -- anything I can get. Then I Google if it still won't work. I'll spend six or so hours trying to tinker until something works. Only after I've just had enough will I go to a forum. I've done that one time in the last six months.

      The last thing I want is for some assmonger to reply with a basic "RTFM" type response. It's unfair, it's assumptive, and it makes them look like a prick. Don't assume I haven't read the manual -- just fucking help me. Don't be a twat. The real bitch of this is that "RTFM" is considered a perfectly reasonable response, but if I tell them off for it, it's now a flame.

      Someone once joked that the best way to get help on a Linux forum is to flame and say "You can't do (x) in Linux!" where (x) is what you want to do. You'll then get a dozen different ways to do (x) from the forum regulars. But if you ask how to do (x), even politely, you just get snark.

      This is a problem for Linux. It's not the worst, in my opinion, but it's in the top five. (Having to download hundreds of megabytes of dependencies to get a lot of programs working is the worst.)

    3. Re:#1 solution by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well yeah, I hope they can get it to boot. How else are they going to write a good manual?

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      This guy's the limit!
    4. Re:#1 solution by yanndug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With OS X and even Windows these days, you don't need to RAFM at all. That's where the problem is. "n00b"'s are not the problem. Linux programmers are.

    5. Re:#1 solution by DaSenator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not exactly the fault of the Linux programmers themselves, but the fact that as a whole, people these days are raised with a familiarity with either OSX or MS Windows; both of which, (I'll probably incur a flamebait for this one) are relatively similar in their approach to their GUI. While they look different, they essentially operate on similar wavelengths.

      This isn't a problem until any Unix/Linux/BSD/Solaris/etc. environment comes in.

      Being a minority in installed OS's, and requiring a higher degree of computer knowledge in order to successfully operate it, the Unix family does turn a lot of people off for that reason, in conjunction with several others. (When someone asks how to learn Linux, I usually tell them to take everything they know about computers, forget it all, and start over. Its what I did/am currently doing.)

      Everything has its annoying fanboys who don't help people and decide to just respond with "RTFM" or similar comment. However, I'd be willing to wager that if someone was raised from a young age, having only Unix/Unix derivitave experience and knowledge, they would have some (albeit less) issues with Windows or OSX.

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    6. Re:#1 solution by kimvette · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Remember that if someone is going to RTFM, someone else needs to WTFM first....


      Yeah isn't that true. Don't you just love searching for documentation or at minimum a FAQ or HowTo for an application, then posting to the list for the location of the documentation only to get no useful reply, then follow up asking for specifics on how to do (n) with the tool, then you get blasted and told to RTFM. Then, post back that if there WERE a FM to R, that you'd have RTFMed already and wouldn't be posting a question for some wiseass to post a snarky RTFM reply. At that, you'll be told to WTFM, which is senseless because you don't know how to DO (n) because there is no FM to R, so telling you to WTFM is fruitless, or they point you at a wiki which is nothing but a skeleton consisting of Feature (N) : To be written later.

      Thankfully most OSS development teams are not so snotty and will at least point you at a mailing list archive, FAQ, or an abstract on the application. Take Quanta for example: the folks developing Quanta are downright friendly.

      But then again it's just like the Windows free software "community" - there are very nice and helpful folks developing some tools, and there are some developing very useful tools but who seemingly go out of their way to be assholes to users. It's not a Linux phenomenon, it's a human nature thing. The few jerks make everyone as a whole look bad.

      Sometimes an RTFM or GIYF (Google Is Your Friend) is the appropriate answer, e.g., if you ask "how do I play DVDs on SuSE/Ubuntu/etc." you should get "read the fucking stickies" or "GIYF" as a reply, because the question gets asked DAILY and you shouldn't be a lazy sod.

      On the other hand, if you're running into a crash (say, trying to play a Real Media file in Xine) the answer should not automatically be "try the latest CVS" or "RTFM." First of all, the user may be a n00b and totally unfamiliar with what CVS even is, the documentation is inadequate, and you haven't really helped the user, but brushed them off Microsoft Windows Support-style. You have also not helped to identify what the problem is so that it can be captured and documented in a FAQ for the next umpteen-dozen users who run into the same exact bug. Nothing against the xine folks here The folks I ran into THIS kind of issue with was actually one of the asterisk-related projects where a feature just plain did not work so I asked if anyone else could reproduce so that I could know if it was something I misconfigured or if it's broken code since log files turned up nothing and I had no proper debug environment set up (plus I haven't dug into the asterisk projects and could not afford the time to learn the project, I just want to be an asterisk user, not a developer or QA member).

      Depending on what you're doing, using open source solutions may be just too much work, or the people involved may be too much of a PITA to make the savings worthwhile. On the other hand, for most routine desktop and server applications, Linux and other OSS projects can be a choice which is superior to commercial alternatives.
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    7. Re:#1 solution by envelope · · Score: 3, Funny

      GIYF

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    8. Re:#1 solution by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 3, Insightful
      what often annoys me is when people don't come back and say if it worked and say thanks

      Ugh, that's another pet peeve. Don't just come back and say "Hey, I figured it out, thanks anyway" or something like that. Recap what you did to get it working!! Chances are someone else is having that same exact problem or will in the future and it's best to sum it up so Google can archive it. ;-)

    9. Re:#1 solution by foamrotreturns · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "If you can't figure this out, you're not good enough to be part of our club."
      That is exactly the mentality that is keeping Linux off the desktop. The problems that most people have are far from insurmountable if they are given the right kind of guidance - the real hurdle that's holding back Linux on the desktop is these elitists who won't offer that kind of guidance because they do see Linux as a trial by fire. As long as that's the case, this powerful, versatile operataing system will remain in a constant state of obscurity, pushed aside by inferior operating systems with more supportive, friendly and helpful experts backing them.
    10. Re:#1 solution by BobNET · · Score: 4, Funny

      You have to know how to ask your questions.

      Instead of saying "I need help getting the drivers working for my wireless network card", which will certainly get you an RTFM, you have to phrase it like this:

      "lunix sux because you can't use wifi! i have a [insert name of network card here] that worked right away in windos xp! i didnt even need drivers! how come windows is so much better than [insert distribution and version here]? oh right its cause you all suck"

      I guarantee that within an hour you'll have a dozen replies from people with exactly the same hardware and distribution as you telling you the steps needed to get it working, how easy it was compared to some dissimilar task in Windows, and how much you suck for not knowing this.

    11. Re:#1 solution by TCM · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Wow, is this some perverted politically-correct version of NetBSD's wtf(1)?

      Here are the correct ones:
      $ wtf is rtfm
      RTFM: read the fine/fucking manual
       
      $ wtf is wtf
      WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck
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    12. Re:#1 solution by Khaed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And people like you are why people like everyone else think Linux users are assholes. I'm talking about asking polite questions after going through a ton of work and reading -- hours of each, at least -- and being unable to get anywhere, then having some ass down-talk me. If you don't like someone's request, don't fucking reply.

      I guess it's okay to be an asshole to someone because they asked for your help in your world. Do us all a favor, and don't have children. Because they might as for free help.

      We're talking about forums for help here, not some 1337 super kewl Linux guru webpage where everyone has years of programming experience.

      I never said anything about Linux developers. I was talking about jerkoffs who snub people who ask for help, on said forums for help.

      Just because you're too stupid and have like a third grade reading comprehension, don't flame me. I've got karma to burn, and don't care if I get moderated down for this, but you're just an asshole.

    13. Re:#1 solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
      Instead of saying "I need help getting the drivers working for my wireless network card", which will certainly get you an RTFM, you have to phrase it like this:

      "lunix sux because you can't use wifi! i have a [insert name of network card here] that worked right away in windos xp! i didnt even need drivers! how come windows is so much better than [insert distribution and version here]? oh right its cause you all suck"
      That's one approach. But I think you'll be better off if you phrase it like this:

      "How do I make my wifi work on Linux? I have a [insert name of network card here], but my boyfriend says it just won't work on Linux! He's so difficult sometimes. It's like he won't even try to help me! If he's wrong about this, I swear I'm going to leave him for good! Kisses, Jessica"

  5. Awesome! by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sounds like something to enhance/replace my personal "cheat sheet" of stuff I do to make a bare Slackware install sing for me. And my birthday's next week...one more thing for the list

  6. Naughty Commands? by ArmyOfFun · · Score: 5, Funny
    there are times when I still type very naughty things on the command line.
    Like what? "touch me"? "finger her"? "man kill"?
    1. Re:Naughty Commands? by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whatever it is, I'm guessing it's typed using only one hand. (shudders)

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    2. Re:Naughty Commands? by Penguin+Programmer · · Score: 5, Funny

      killall bitchx

      If that's not naughty, I don't know what is.

    3. Re:Naughty Commands? by dr-suess-fan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Can't believe no-one's posted this:

      unzip, strip, touch, finger, grep, mount, fsck, more, yes,fsck,fsck,fsck,umount, sleep

    4. Re:Naughty Commands? by bstrunk · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Emacs" is a five letter word.

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  7. Werd by rmadmin · · Score: 4, Funny

    there are times when I still type very naughty things on the command line.

    root@kungfu:~# history | wc -l
    500
    root@kungfu:~# history | grep fuck | wc -l
    148
    root@kungfu:~#

    Hmmmm..

    1. Re:Werd by ruiner13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why are you running as root? Is "users running as root" in the list of annoyances?

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  8. Finally, some respect! by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

    For the past decade, my Linux books have been calling me a "Complete Idiot" and a "Dummy" for reading them. Finally, one that only thinks I'm a "Geek!"

  9. Where is "Case Sensitivity" by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Where is "Case Sensitivity" on this list? I mean, have you really ever used CASE to distinguish two different files? (Worse, have you ever had to try to describe cased files over the phone?)

    1. Re:Where is "Case Sensitivity" by griffjon · · Score: 4, Funny

      I use case to version. The current working file is all lower case, the current muck-around with is in all upper case, and versions are in mixed case, with the location of upper case letters indicating recent-ness,

      e.g.

      test.pl - known good working copy
      TEST.PL - testing copy, under current development
      Test.pl - testing copy 1 rev back
      tEst.pl - testing copy 2 revs back

      This becomes a bit less useful for multiple revs on the current branch, but then I just add silly letters at the end, e.g.

      test.pl.ofcourseimjokingyoufuckwiT

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    2. Re:Where is "Case Sensitivity" by drauh · · Score: 2, Funny

      not for files, but for job security, i distinguish variables purely by case: aaaaaa, aaaaaA, aaaaAa, aaaAaa, etc etc

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    3. Re:Where is "Case Sensitivity" by ednopantz · · Score: 2, Funny

      We keep that kind of thing in our company's list of "programming practices punishable by death." right below magic numbers.

    4. Re:Where is "Case Sensitivity" by kimvette · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes and yes.

      FYI, Windows can actually be configured to support case sensitivity, at the expense of some backward compatibility. Installing Services for Unix can enable this functionality automagically when you install it (it's one of the options) or you can enable it manually through a registry hack or three.

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    5. Re:Where is "Case Sensitivity" by Odin_Tiger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When I describe case verbally, I speak caps very loudly, so alternating caps for instance might be, "CUE double-u EE ar TEE why." I developed this by myself as an easy way to remember passwords, because I have an excellent memory for sounds / tones. Many years down the road, I got my current job and found that my boss does the exact same thing. Try it, it works great!

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    6. Re:Where is "Case Sensitivity" by zzatz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are many features in file names that I normally avoid, such as whitespace or special characters. But it is MY option to use them if I run into a situation where they would be useful. And that's the point: the decision should be mine, not forced by the filesystem designer.

      The filesystem is too low a level to make sensible policies about case. It belongs at the application level, where ignoring case may make sense in certain contexts, but not others. The filesystem can't know the context, the application may have some idea, and only the user can be sure when case matters.

      I prefer software that just does what I tell it. Software that tries to be smarter than me just gets in my way. I know that the proper symbol for millihenry is 'mH', that's what I type, and it's a pain when Word changes it to 'Mh'. If I name a file 'mH', then that's what I'll type, and I'd like it left that way.

      If case doesn't matter, then why don't you always use upper case?

    7. Re:Where is "Case Sensitivity" by Paperweight · · Score: 2, Funny
      If case doesn't matter, then why don't you always use upper case?
      YOU MUST BE NEW HERE
    8. Re:Where is "Case Sensitivity" by LihTox · · Score: 2, Informative

      I only write single-file C programs, so I use program.c for the source code and Program for the executable.

      Ah yes, and try to do "make install" on a case-insensitive filesystem (e.g. OSX) when there is a file called "INSTALL" in the directory; I always have to rename the latter INSTALLATION first.

      Don't know if I've proved anything by posting this; ah well. (And no, I'm not a 133t programmer like y'all; just a fan. :)

    9. Re:Where is "Case Sensitivity" by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 2, Funny

      test.pl.ofcourseimjokingyoufuckwiT

      That's just stupid. You got the perfect opportunity to encode the revision in binary and you decide to increase the length linearly?

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    10. Re:Where is "Case Sensitivity" by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bullshit. Linux filesystems are case-sensitive because they were programmed by lazy bastards... it's a lot easier to program case-sensitive sorts and finds than it is to program case-insensitive sorts and finds. Especially when non-english languages are used.

    11. Re:Where is "Case Sensitivity" by overbored · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you use bash much, then adding this to your .inputrc should alleviate some of the pain:

      set completion-ignore-case On

    12. Re:Where is "Case Sensitivity" by griffjon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, the upper/lower case of the file (lower case letters are 0, upper are 1) also match an internal checksum that a shell script grepping over out entire filesystem checks against various magic numbers using a crontab that's set to run every third minute (the HD makes weird noises otherwise!)

      For some reason, the IT staff keeps trying to get shotgun purchases approved as business expenses.

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    13. Re:Where is "Case Sensitivity" by Felonious+Ham · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Case-sensitivity has got to be my biggest annoyance in Linux. The original motivation as I understand it was to save precious CPU cycles (since case-insensitive parsing takes twice or so the effort). The problem is, humans don't think case sensitive. Noone (as has been mentioned) would reasonably name any two things the same differing only in case, which is a pretty strong argument for getting rid of it all together. With case-insensitive filesystems, you still get the 'option' of naming things however you like, just not two things with the same spelling.

      If the filesystem designer leaves it as an option on the filesystem, this option will inevitably get exercised and suddenly my software doesn't work.

      This actually reminds me of my other big annoyance with Linux: too many Linux folk think people serve computers, when obviously (to anyone who ever gets out of the basement) the opposite is true.

  10. As someone who has learned many operating systems by Sheetrock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The secret is to spend less time complaining and more time reading.

    Of course a different operating system will act differently than the one you're used to. That's kind of the point. Treat it as something unique rather than as an inferior version of your current platform and you'll get farther.

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  11. Parsing Error by Quirk · · Score: 2, Funny

    I read the title as 'Linux Avoidance for Geeks'. I was reaching for my flame retardent suit when the flashing red error light went on.

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  12. Re:Or as the rest of the computing world describes by SparkEE · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You missed his point. He isn't saying that being "done" makes something a Product, but that being together and ready to use does. To continue his analogy, when you buy a car, you're handed a key. If that car were some linux distros, you'd be handed a large box of parts and told there's a manual online somewhere to put it all together, and no key.

  13. Documentation by bigredradio · · Score: 3, Insightful

    /* [ Go back later and write comments on documentation - 02/22/01 ] */

  14. My Linux Annoyances as a Hardended Windows user by Toreo+asesino · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well folks, i've been meaning to write this down anyway; here seem's like the perfect place.

    Now, I am a 100% Win fan. I love it; things just work. But, I have made the switch to Linux (Fedora Core 5) at home, seeing as it does 99% of what I want. After a couple of months of constant, un-interupted use, my biggest issues with Linux are broadly thus:

    1. No fecking media support! I get XMMS inform me on first attempt at playing an MP3 that it won't because of licensing conflict. Wtf? Codecs for avi's and DVDs were a simular story; all had to be downloaded via yum (bloody excellent tool!). Seriously; not good, but fixed in the end.

    2. Why the hell do I have to install a new kernel? Why? I've never had to on Windows - why is Linux different? Is it so buggy? I installed with a factory version something ending 054. Now I have something ending 122 I believe. I did it ok, but that's not the point I'm making; were there really 68 cock-ups so great in the kernel build from release-time until that now they had to re-release 68 times? I'm guessing probablly not, but still.

    3. Point 2 also breaks my nvidia drivers. I don't want to re-compile new drivers everytime there's a new 'patch'. For the love of god, why?!

    4. X-Windows. What a mess. Why do I have to tell it my x & y refresh rates for my monitor? Windows just 'knows'. Many more things here I feel that X-Windows should just 'know' - the number of buttons on my USB mouse for-instance. If Windows can do it, there's no reason why Linux can't. Also, X-Windows 'feels' slower than Windows. I'm sure there's good reasons for this, but I don't care; Windows is snappier.

    5. Lack of decent file-browser. The best I've come across is Nautilus in a mode that resembles Windows Explorer. It'll do for now, but as far as I'm aware, offers no context-sensitive menus for applications (like the Winamp "Play in Winamp" right-click menu on folders.

    Actually, I think that's largely it. In all, Linux has, and is continuing to be great fun to play with. So many cool tools - yum being one of them. I'll stick to Linux @ home; it can only get better, but I'd be interested to know what people think of the above points - any suggestions maybe? I want this to work after all...

    -Sr. Samwel.

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    1. Re:My Linux Annoyances as a Hardended Windows user by ShibaInu · · Score: 2, Informative

      Switch to Ubuntu. No bullshit with the video drivers and with automatix getting all your codecs/media players is easy as pie. Faster too.

    2. Re:My Linux Annoyances as a Hardended Windows user by Nimey · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you try Ubuntu, make sure to grab and install EasyUbuntu. It installs all the proprietary/nonfree codecs like MP3 and DVD, plus stuff like Java and Flash. Ubuntu is also very good at detecting your monitor, so you shouldn't have to worry about setting X modes. Further, nVidia and ATI drivers are included in the base install and are kept synced with the installed kernel, so (to coin a phrase) It Just Works. I can't say if its mouse-detection routines work better -- mine is just a 3-button w/scroll, but that was detected immediately & works fine. Synaptic is a pretty good package manager, but I can't compare it to yum since I haven't used it.

      Have you tried KDE? It has a more Windows-y interface than Gnome, which IMO is closer to Mac OS X. There's an Ubuntu distro called Kubuntu that uses KDE instead of Gnome, and EasyUbuntu works with it as well.

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    3. Re:My Linux Annoyances as a Hardended Windows user by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Informative
      2. Why the hell do I have to install a new kernel? Why? I've never had to on Windows - why is Linux different? Is it so buggy? I installed with a factory version something ending 054. Now I have something ending 122 I believe. I did it ok, but that's not the point I'm making; were there really 68 cock-ups so great in the kernel build from release-time until that now they had to re-release 68 times? I'm guessing probablly not, but still.

      Of course you have, why do you think some Windows updates require reboots? (Beyond those that require reboots because of file locking issues.) The reason the Linux kernel bumps revisions so frequently is mostly due to driver work, since most drivers are built into the kernel. Which I personally think is stupid, but, see the response to point 3 below.

      3. Point 2 also breaks my nvidia drivers. I don't want to re-compile new drivers everytime there's a new 'patch'. For the love of god, why?!

      Because Linux doesn't have a binary driver interface. Instead drivers are written for a specific kernel, and have to be recompiled every time to ensure everything matches up. Attempts at adding a binary driver interface have met huge resistance with the kernel developers, too, so expect to have to recompile third-party drivers for the forseeable future. Why? To force the source to be open, to ensure the flexibility of the kernel, or something like that. Whatever the reason, it's still annoying as a user.

      4. X-Windows. What a mess. Why do I have to tell it my x & y refresh rates for my monitor? Windows just 'knows'. Many more things here I feel that X-Windows should just 'know' - the number of buttons on my USB mouse for-instance. If Windows can do it, there's no reason why Linux can't. Also, X-Windows 'feels' slower than Windows. I'm sure there's good reasons for this, but I don't care; Windows is snappier.

      I'd love to know the answer to this one. I remember going through hell trying to get a USB mouse to work. Installation under Windows: Plug it in. Installation under Linux: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf. It doesn't work. Google. Try other options. Still doesn't work. Give up and go back to Windows.

      I recently installed Debian Etch, and it still wanted to know the refresh rate for my monitor. Plug-and-play monitors have existed for how long, now? Why do I need to know this?!

      5. Lack of decent file-browser. The best I've come across is Nautilus in a mode that resembles Windows Explorer. It'll do for now, but as far as I'm aware, offers no context-sensitive menus for applications (like the Winamp "Play in Winamp" right-click menu on folders.

      I keep on thinking "some day, I should write a file browser for GNOME that doesn't suck" but I've yet to get around to it...

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    4. Re:My Linux Annoyances as a Hardended Windows user by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Informative

      What? Try installing Ubuntu or something desktop-centric. Every mouse I've tried has worked on that without any mucking with the xorg.conf file. Do you just not get all 3 buttons? Are you expecting it to do something special with mice with more than 3 buttons?

    5. Re:My Linux Annoyances as a Hardended Windows user by arkhan_jg · · Score: 5, Informative

      1. No fecking media support! I get XMMS inform me on first attempt at playing an MP3 that it won't because of licensing conflict. Wtf? Codecs for avi's and DVDs were a simular story; all had to be downloaded via yum (bloody excellent tool!). Seriously; not good, but fixed in the end.

      Alas, blame the law. The US allows software patents. Software patents means that codecs like mp3, mpeg2, ac3 etc etc are patented, and they can only be distributed if licence fees are paid by the distro. Since fedora is distributed free, they can't pay the licence fees, and they don't want to get sued if they distribute the distro in the US, so the only option is to host the codec packages outside the US where the patents don't apply, and you get them yourself. Note, Windows doesn't come with DVD playback out of the box for the same reason. If you want codecs and other patented software out of the box, you need to pay for a distro, and the US codec licence fees will be paid for out of your purchase price. No way round this, short of getting US patent law reformed.

      2. Why the hell do I have to install a new kernel? Why? I've never had to on Windows - why is Linux different? Is it so buggy? ... 68 cock-ups so great in the kernel build from release-time until that now they had to re-release 68 times?

      Two main reasons. First, a lot of the linux drivers are in the kernel, so new kernel versions include improved drivers and ones for new hardware. Second, the linux kernel is adding a lot of extra features and improvements, as well as bugfixes (not even a majority of bugs are security holes, don't forget). Third, windows does indeed get kernel updates, they just get included in Windows Update. Be glad linux is evolving so quickly :)

      3. Point 2 also breaks my nvidia drivers. I don't want to re-compile new drivers everytime there's a new 'patch'. For the love of god, why?!

      Nvidia don't want to release open-source drivers. They have a great big chunk of closed driver, with a 'shim' that links that binary code to a particular kernel. The kernel is updated, the shim needs to be redone for your particular kernel. Admittedly, the linux devs don't exactly make life easy for nvidia to do it this way. Chalk it up to the conflict between the open-source and closed-source world. Still, life isn't exactly rosy in the closed-source world either, I've lost count of the times I've needed to update drivers on windows to fix some bug or conflict, especially when it comes to video card drivers and PC games. Tell nvidia you'd like proper open-source drivers for the hardware you paid for...

      4. X-Windows. What a mess. Why do I have to tell it my x & y refresh rates for my monitor? Windows just 'knows'. Many more things here I feel that X-Windows should just 'know' - the number of buttons on my USB mouse for-instance. If Windows can do it, there's no reason why Linux can't. Also, X-Windows 'feels' slower than Windows. I'm sure there's good reasons for this, but I don't care; Windows is snappier.

      Agreed on the Xorg config problems. Largely a hold-over from a long period of political infighting, now resolved. Xorg is rapidly improving, and many features are coming in now that have been held up for years. The slowness is probably down to a slight problem with the config (possibly the openGL parts) - properly setup, I find Xorg quicker than windows. Still, it should be easier to 'automagically' configure it than it is - too many times I've had to fix an Xorg setup manually.

      5. Lack of decent file-browser. The best I've come across is Nautilus in a mode that resembles Windows Explorer. It'll do for now, but as far as I'm aware, offers no context-sensitive menus for applications (like the Winamp "Play in Winamp" right-click menu on fo

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    6. Re:My Linux Annoyances as a Hardended Windows user by theLOUDroom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No fecking media support! I get XMMS inform me on first attempt at playing an MP3 that it won't because of licensing conflict. of licensing conflict.

      My suggestion is this: Suck it up, you wouldn't believe all the separate programs with seperate liscenses windows users have to deal with!

      You have to manually install TWO things?

      Why the hell do I have to install a new kernel?

      You don't. Nobody's holding a gun to your head and making you.

      I've never had to on Windows

      Bullshit. You don't honestly know whether you have or not because virtually EVERYTHING requires a reboot. Ever head of service packs?

      Item 3 is vendor specfic. I suggest you ask the people you're actually giving money to for a fix.

      Item 4, shrug. It all depends on your choice of linux flavor. If configuration tools are important to you, choose software that has them. I remember tools where you could at least punch in you monitor model and it knew all the modes and that's five or more years ago.

      5. Lack of decent file-browser.

      Konqueror rocks. It's not windows explorer, and don't treat it like it is. If you invest all the time you did learning windows explorer into knoqueror, you'll be pretty impressed.

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    7. Re:My Linux Annoyances as a Hardended Windows user by phdmf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Firstly, I agree about the conflicts between kernel upgrades and closed-source nVidia drivers. A kernel upgrade is sure to crash the nVidia driver and who knows what else. Clearly, a solution is needed.

      That being said, I can't fault nVidia for protecting their revenue generating developments. Few realize how much of the power of modern graphics cards comes from highly optimized drivers. When you buy a graphics cards, you are buying both the hardware and the software, and thousands of hours are put in to software driver development. Those drivers are just as essential to achieving good graphics performance as the actual silicon in the cards. Without good drivers, nVidia is just another chip design company. Coca-cola doesn't give away its formula, why should nVidia? Sure, business is business, but nVidia has continued to develop linux drivers and the entire linux community has reaped the benefit. One of the only reasons it is possible to have a functional linux machine that can handle OpenGL apps alongside smooth rock-solid 2D graphics performance is the nVidia hardware/driver combo.

      So many linux users do not remember the "good ol' days" when there were no linux drivers for graphics hardware. If you were lucky, X would start and perhaps run for a short while, but forget about any 3D API's. Any hardware acceleration features of your high-end graphics card were wasted. It was a framebuffer world. About 1999, nVidia came to dominate the graphics market, killing off S3, #9, Matrox, etc. with graphics performance that put most everything to shame. Moreover, nVidia developed and continues to develop linux drivers. Okay, the earlier drivers were junk. X would crash when trying to use some high-end nVidia hardware acceleration show magic flower pots, or something. But, things got better. Much better. A modern linux nVidia driver is as foolproof and robust as a current windows driver and provides all of nVidia's cute features such as quad-buffered stereo, TwinView, etc.

      So, I think the onus for improvement on this issue lies with the linux kernel developers, not nVidia. Unlike so many other hardware designers, nVidia develops high?quality linux drivers. They work well, provide a great deal of functionality, are easy to install, and are very user friendly. How many open source endeavors can say that? Power and versatility have been longstanding mantras in the linux world. NVidia is willing to continue to develop linux drivers, so the linux development world should continue to maintain its goal of providing powerful and accessible software and develop a more seamless interface for such binary drivers.

      In short, count your blessings. Remember, you could have no drivers at all.

  15. The predecessor by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The Unix Haters Handbook

    It would be interesting to see how many Linux complaints and annoyances date back to Unix.

    Cheers,
    Dave

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  16. I'd have to agree by phorm · · Score: 3, Informative

    One of the first things I do on a new debian system is:

    apt-get install vim links-ssl curl-ssl wget finger bzip2 tar aptitude ssh

    Hopefully you weren't stirring the old Vi/Emacs debate, because though plain ol "vi" is a real pain, "vim" is much nicer than "vi"
    (oh, and for those using Debian, the newer versions come with aptitude already installed, which is generally preferable to 'apt-get' and can be used with the same syntaxes, except there is no 'aptitude moo' command)

    For others, what are the first apps you install on a fresh linux distro?

  17. Linux Book Annoyances for Geeks (and Others) by PFI_Optix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For the life of me, I don't know why Chapter 5, Installation Annoyances, isn't Chapter 1.

    I think the OP just nailed down the problem with 90% of Linux books, and one of the big problems with Linux adoption by the less-than-ubergeeks. Very few Linux book authors seem to know how to teach someone to use Linux. Either they spend three chapters on the basics of PCs and lose me, they dive straight into stuff that goes way over my head, or they just present the material in as counter-intuitive an order as possible for maximum frustration.

    I can't remember how many books I've picked up, started reading, and ended up shelving between chapters three and five. Reasons:

    1) They never actually got around to discussing Linux beyond the sales pitch about why I should use it.

    2) They skipped a lot of important basics that left me wondering just what they were talking about.

    3) They had me configure the desktop, type a few commands in the shell, install Linux, and THEN talked about the file system and various other basics that are relevant to everything you do in Linux.

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  18. And this necessarily makes a product better? by Flying+pig · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I live in a house, I have two cars and a boat. The cars are products. I buy them, I run them, periodically I have to replace something. The house and the boat are projects. They are continually being modified - the only rule being that the house has to work all the year round and the boat has to work from March to November. I find things, I fix things, I improve things. But then for me cars are just a form of transport, and for some people they too are projects.

    I can't be the only person who believes that, now that software does all the basic things, much of it is evolving from Product to Project. Even Microsoft, the supplier of boxed software par excellence, has got to come to terms with this; we now know that under the shiny paint there are hidden recesses with rust and loose parts and we expect them to be fixed as they are discovered. We also know that a company of some size can release stuff and label it beta, simply being more honest than labelling it "release 0.8" or whatever.

    You can see Open Source as the logical outcome of all the work that was done on quality in the 80s and 90s: everybody involved, continuous improvement, no hiding place for bad work. You can see it as a response to the perception by many people in the standards world that software standards were abysmal. Oh, and I have yet to see the new product that can just be placed in someone's hands and used. It may be "ready for use", but the user will not be. Continuous improvement and user feedback makes the learning curve easier.

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  19. File copy = lost file date by Gnavpot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My favourite annoyance is the default behaviour of 'cp'. Unless I add additional command line arguments, the file date will be changed into today's date. I don't want that. I cannot imagine why anyone would want that so much that it is the default behaviour.

    At least it has been changed in Konqueror now. Two years ago I trashed the dates of some 100s of vacation photos by using Konqueror on a Knoppix CD to copy them from the camera card and clear the card afterwards. Konqueror on my Ubuntu Dapper Drake doesn't seem to do this. Nautilus doesn't either.

  20. Re:so... what has this all to do with LINUX??? by PFI_Optix · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's really hard to seperate Linux from KDE/Gnome and "various programs" on the desktop level. Linux alone isn't exactly viable for much. You need Apache to make it a web server. Samba to make it a file server. XWindows to make it a desktop system. EXPECT people to lump them all as "Linux" because in all reality, Linux isn't anything without them.

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  21. Excellent by crossmr · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is good because one thing I've found in my switch to Linux since last November. The community isn't all its cracked up to be. I'm not saying its bad, I'm just saying its less amazing than what you hear before the switch.

    When you run into a problem, if its simple hey no problem. People will line up to give you a quick response that will send you on your way. If its anything less than that you could spend days and weeks and longer finding an answer.

    You google late into the night hoping to find something and you do.. a 3 year old post on a mailing list for another distro possibly from a parrallel universe. The only problem is the solution is "Hey I fiddled around last night and fixed it, no more problems guys!"

    if you're really lucky there is an e-mail address, if you're blessed, the person still uses it. If you had a fresh horse-shoe inserted that morning he actually remembers the incident in question and how he solved it.

    I think I've still got half a dozen or more outstanding "annoyances" on mailing lists and message forums for things that no one can seemingly solve. Like why if I change my window theme in gnome the background for all my screensavers changes from black to the color of the window border.

  22. My annoyance by arkan2525 · · Score: 2

    I am a win xp user, and have been using windows ever since my first pc. I program as a living, primarily in PHP and CGI/PERL, and i am a heavy internet user. I have been aware of the apparant advantages of Linux over the past 5 years, and have made numerous attempts to give it a go. However, I have always found it painstaking to get everything working. As a newbie, you have to: * Set up sound to get working * Set up the internet * Set up the ability to play mp3/divx & xvid * become familiar with all the aspects of the operating system and applications * and have to make numerous other changes, just to get it working just the way you want it. * my latest attempt to install Ubunutu has failed, due to my ATI x800GT graphics card not being recognised And all these require extensive googling which can sometimes be painstaking. However, I have managed to fine tune my windows box to work exactly the way i want to, making use of autostart-up applications, installation of PHP/MySQL etc, wireless internet and so on. So basically i can load it up and begin working right away, exactly how I want it, and produce the results that i need. So, for me personally, I see no overwhelming need to jump to Linux, which would require so much more effort to even get to the same stage that i am in WinXP. Having said that however, I have vowed not to move to Vista in the near future either. WinXP does everything i want to do now; i would be very upset to see my 1gb of high performance memory be gobbled up by Vista just to have a fancy interface. And besides, from the screenshots it seems to be a mere Mac OS clone :p To summarise: * I can see why for some organisations, with the expertise could find it justifiable to use GNU/Linux, due to the relativly lower cost and customisability, however for me personally, my current needs are met aduaquatly * Windows Vista is excessivly bloated, laden with DRM and comes with ridiculus hardware requirements...i mean to use Notepad on vista would require 1gb of Ram and a 2Ghz processor at the very least, why?!!!!!

  23. Ubuntu Users by moberry · · Score: 3, Funny

    You must be a gentoo user.

  24. Re:No WYSIWYG by fishybell · · Score: 2, Informative
    If your text editor is typing out ^? instead of doing backspaces, quit, then on the console type "stty erase ^?"

    If your text editor is typing out ^H instead of doing backspaces, quit, then on the console type "stty erase ^H"

    To make the change permanent, add in the stty erase line into your .bash_profile file in your home directory.

    Of course you realize, WYSIWYG text editor is an oxymoron.

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  25. thus is why I 3 archlinux by pobudz · · Score: 3, Informative

    So far I see complaints about: recompiling kernel/drivers and windows... and, then there was Arch.

    I introduce you to the 'hwd' package.

    Hmm my ethernet card isnt working.
    > hwd -ec
    (probes lshwd based on tables for usb pcmcia and pci and loads appropriate modules if not already loaded)

    Hmm I can't get xorg to work.
    > hwd -xa
    (probes monitor, writes xorg config)
    > startx ... hey its working now (not ONCE has this failed me on multiple monitors including laptop LCDs and otherwise.

    Anyone who updates their kernel EVERYTIME a new patch or release comes out is retarded. Typically I wait for a new 2.6. before I even touch it. But in the case of those who like it...

    > Pacman -Syu
    (syncs db, downloads files and seeks and downloads dependencies, checks for conflicts, installs packages)
    All done. One command, and.... done. Upgrades the entire system... gcc/kernel/nvidia (or ati),etc in one command. No rebooting just make sure if you run a kernel update to update lilo/grub conf and for precaution... stop all running services that you don't need for just running updates.

    No need to recompile anything... because that's just how life is with Arch.

  26. Linux Annoyances by NullProg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For everyone who has problems with Linux, whether your using/installing SuSE, FC4, Ubuntu, Slackware, etc. Go to http://www.linuxquestions.org/. You won't get RTFM responses. No I'm not affliated with the web site and have no vested interest.

    Slashdot, while being a great forum, is not the place to get Linux help,

    Enjoy,

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    It's just the normal noises in here.
  27. Re:system-config-display by mvdw · · Score: 2, Informative
    Well, except for dual-monitor support. That's one place Linux is still catching up on.

    I disagree: dual monitor support in linux is far, far superior to that under Windows.

    Want a taskbar that goes across both monitors? Windows doesn't do it; both gnome and (especially) KDE will give it to you. Gnome lets me have 4 taskbars: one at the top and bottom of each monitor. Under both gnome and kde the taskbar is a much more generalised container than the windows taskbar, which gives much greater flexibility.

    Want to run 2 matrox PCI cards with an ATI AGP card for 3 monitors? Windows won't let you do it (It won't initialise the bios of the ATI card) - linux can do this, and has for more than 5 years.

    Want to run multiple cards for multiple monitors, all different manufacturers? Linux lets you do this, easily. I don't know whether Windows can do this.

    Want to run 4 monitors, in a 2x2 formation? Linux lets you do this easily. I don't know whether Windows can do this.

    In short, multi-monitor support in linux is much more flexible, much more configurable and thus much better than under windows. Windows is certainly playing catchup in this area (thanks both to better multi-driver compatibility in linux and better window managers).

  28. Wake me up when M$ catches up. by twitter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Nothing drives me nuts in Linux like trying to cut something out of a KDE window and paste it into a Gnome window. ... Now show me how the different clipboards that exist on a single Linux Desktop can even cut from one and paste to another.

    That's a very old and dealt with issue.

    There are a few old applications around that might be annoying but most work better than anything in the windoze world. Almost all the common methods of cutting and pasting, shift-delete/insert, ctrl-c/v, and alt entered menus with shortcuts. I routinely do things like cut text from Kate (KDE) into gnumeric (GNOME) without a problem. Gnome not only sees the clipboard, it calls up the text import tool and gets it right. Tools like KDE's klipper give you your clipboard history for all applications, not just a few, and it lives on your taskbar. If that's not good enough, most applications also cut and paste through ssh -X forwarding. That's right, you can cut and paste across the network, through multiple machines. Do any of the M$ "Desktop Anywhere" type interfaces do that right?

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

  29. Re:Annoying enough to switch to OS X by WWWWolf · · Score: 2, Informative
    It seems like at any given time there is at least one segfault-every-couple-hours bug in taglib, amarok, artsdsp, jackd, libxine, or artsd.

    It suddenly drops drastically when you nuke artsdsp and artsd from orbit.

    If you see "artsd" or "esd" in your process list, configure the hell out of the system until you don't see a trace of them. These two were hacks to skirt around limitations of old sound hardware. If you have a modern, full-duplex, hardware-mixing sound card, you simply don't need these things.

    Plus I believe they haven't been maintained for some time either.