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PlayStation 3 Available For PreOrder in U.K.

motorheadabega writes "BBC is carrying the story that as of today the PS3 is available for preorder for only £550 ($1,020). All that and they can't even guarantee delivery before Christmas." From the article: "The electronics giant had originally planned to launch the new console in the spring, but was forced to delay because of technical problems with its high-definition Blu-ray DVD drive. The PS3 comes in two different models. The basic model has a 20GB hard drive, while the more expensive model comes with a 60GB one. The lower end model also lacks wi-fi, a slot for memory cards and a HDMI port for high-definition programmes. "

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  1. Brace for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Fanboy rant about how much better the Wii will be in 3... 2...

    1. Re:Brace for it by 91degrees · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Woahh dude! The Wii will be so much better!

      Okay - maybe not, but it's getting a lot of interest from the developers. Developers like a low power machine with a new controller. The can spend all their time fooling with funky gameplay mechanics. The extra power od the PS3 has potential, but getting the most out of that is a lot of work programming, optimising and debugging, whereas new gameplay mechanics are a lot more fun to work with.

    2. Re:Brace for it by Raptor-DP · · Score: 1

      To be fair it can also argued that a decent chunk of development cost can and will go into R&D regarding usage and application of a new interface device. Finding out what ways people will enjoy them the most and feel most comfortable with requires targeted research which costs money, and depending on how well you want it studied could also take time. Just food for thought.

    3. Re:Brace for it by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about the studio bosses and beancounters. I'm talking about the actual programmers and designers. Everyone I've talked to wants to develop for it. It's true, research is expensive, but it's also interesting work. Graphics and physics were interesting a few years ago, but now there's a lot of work for small incremental improvements. It's just not as cool anymore. Nintendo are actively ewncouraging people to try something different. Not that I don't look forward to the promise of the PS3. The games should look fantastic. Hope the developers find a use for all the horsepower.

    4. Re:Brace for it by British+English+Rule · · Score: 0, Troll
      optimizing
      You misspelled optimising.

      program
      You misspelled programme.
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    5. Re:Brace for it by Raptor-DP · · Score: 1

      I'd say its pretty fair to argue that its not the designers and the programmers who have a say in what gets funded and published, granted i can see developing new and inovative ways to use the wiimote seems very fun and refreshing. As far as physics and graphics , I still think there is a lot to be had in that area I think in this generation we'll see a wider variety of animations and animations that are more lifelike with facial and muscle movements that are visible and that convey emotion and feeling. Its not just about feeling the game in your hand its also about feeling for the caracters in the game. A great example would be the Heavy Rain demo at e3. But thats just my 2 cents.

    6. Re:Brace for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sad that the Nintendo fanboys on /. have gotten so rabid that they even mod this down.

    7. Re:Brace for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Pretendo Piss will be the worst of the bunch, like all of the pretendo consoles before it.

      The Sega Master System was superior in every way than the NES.

      The Sega Genesis was Superior in every way to the SNES.

      The N64 was the worst of all of them, even though it was 64-bit and faster than the Saturn and Playstation, it's whole design just totally sucked and the graphics sucked.

      The gamecube was inferior to the Playstation 2 and X-Box. Once again like the N64, the whole design sucked.

      Now the Pretendo Piss will be inferior to any console. Hopefully the sales of the PSP will rise and Microsoft will release their portable game unit. That way Pretendo will finally reap what they have sown for so long.

      Comparisons of several game consoles right here

      Also, for those who are going to claim 'but the SNES had Mode 7 effects and more colors" just take a look at a comparison between TMNT IV and Hyperstone Heist. They even point out that SNES uses pastel pinks and purples, while the Hyperstone heist was dark. That is proof Predtendo has been and always will be for kiddies and not real gamers.

  2. Misleading summary... by RemovableBait · · Score: 5, Informative

    Before you think "Jesus Christ! £550 for a PS3!!!", bear in mind that this is a bundle of the high spec PS3 (with 60GB HDD) and 3 games, AND free shipping.

    If you work that back, based on £40 a game, the console cost is £430... which is right on the money for the £425 previously reported. The real newsworthy part of this story is the fact they're taking pre-orders so soon. Do I smell a publicity stunt on the part of play.com?

    Note: I still think that the supposed price (£425) is ridiculously expensive, and I'm not trying to argue that this is in any way "cheap".

    1. Re:Misleading summary... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't socialize with "computer people."

    2. Re:Misleading summary... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "All that and they can't even guarantee delivery before Christmas.""

      Poor little Zonk.

      Don't be so hard on him...I hear he is waiting for his 5th 360 to arrive for replacement from Microsoft and he has been feeling bitter that he has been missing out on that hot next gen game Geometry Wars.

      PS3 pre-order stories are a little late. You are out of luck if you are haven't put your order in yet. Pre-order queues have been full for some time now.

    3. Re:Misleading summary... by aslate · · Score: 1

      True, but that doesn't mean that by preordering it you're guaranteed anything, infact:

      The website says that because of an expected European shortage, it cannot guarantee delivery before Christmas.

      £550 for a console is outrageous, no matter what else you're getting, and to add to that you may not even get it by Christmas is taking it too far.

    4. Re:Misleading summary... by Psychotext · · Score: 1

      Just so you know, shipping is not a big thing in the UK. You can next day something like a PS3 anywhere in the UK for the equiv of about $10. We're only small. ;)

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    5. Re:Misleading summary... by RemovableBait · · Score: 1

      I know; I live in Edinburgh, Scotland. :)

    6. Re:Misleading summary... by Psychotext · · Score: 1

      The URL probably should have been a hint for me. =)

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    7. Re:Misleading summary... by Scooter · · Score: 1

      Then again, as the Samsung Blue Ray player seems likely to cost about the same: $900 or about £400, it doesn't look so bad - play HD discs, and play games.

      I spent £150 on a Sony DVD player years ago, and then the Ps/2 arrived a couple of months later and cost a little bit less, and you could do other things with it...

      Think I'll just wait for the bare drives to arrive and upgrade my HTPC :) (ok it might be around 2008 by then but I feel there's a lot of dust that needs to settle on the whole HDMI/Large cap optical disc thing)

    8. Re:Misleading summary... by stevey · · Score: 1

      Small world. Hello from Leith!

    9. Re:Misleading summary... by Nairoz · · Score: 1

      Play.com don't charge for shipping within the UK.

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    10. Re:Misleading summary... by fistynuts · · Score: 1

      "I spent £150 on a Sony DVD player years ago, and then the Ps/2 arrived a couple of months later and cost a little bit less, and you could do other things with it..."

      I thought the same thing, but then realised that the DVD output quality of the PS2 was, frankly, crap. I'm hoping the Blu-ray (and DVD) playback quality of the PS3 will be decent, but it'll probably be a good idea to wait for a couple of unbiased reviews before getting one.

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  3. To be fair... by KingBraden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That price does include shipping and three games.

    1. Re:To be fair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh well sign me up for three then!

  4. Nothing New by jizziknight · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is nothing we don't already know in TFA other than that it's available for pre-order. Also note that the pre-order package includes three games. There has to be something more (can't look at the actual offer as I'm at work) to justify the £125($235) difference. Unless of course the games are £42($79) each. Of course, they're probably counting the VAT in there, so maybe it is just the three games. Still... damn expensive.

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  5. I'll buy one... by dubmun · · Score: 1, Troll

    When they are 25 bucks at a yard sale.

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    1. Re:I'll buy one... by TouchOfRed · · Score: 0

      Enjoying the latest n64 games I see? Wow 3d graphics! "64 bit gameplay" in blast corps and crusin usa!

    2. Re:I'll buy one... by Mursk · · Score: 1

      See you in 2012.

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    3. Re:I'll buy one... by Snowmit · · Score: 1

      Your mistake is assuming that Sony hardware will survive long enough to end up IN a yardsale.

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    4. Re:I'll buy one... by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Usually things I've seen in 'yardsales' are broken.

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    5. Re:I'll buy one... by xtracto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hi,

      Yes, I am enjoying the latest N64 games, in my computer with 1964. I usually play Mario Tennis, Mario Kart 64 and Mario Golf, all of them with my girlfriend and sometimes a flatmate.

      Oh, and I sometimes also play Army Men (both of them). They are very cool!

      So what? anything wrong with that? I do not have to spend hundreds of £££ to compensate a lack of appropiate cock size with uber-expensive boring-as-hell console games.

      Yeah, I am waiting for the Wii, and I just bought Worms 1 and 2 from Ebay for £5 (incl shipping) to play in epsxe.

      So what? you surely are one of those jerks taht buy EA sport games each year just because to have the sports teams "up to date", when the gameplay has been the same for the last 10 years (yeah, I also love International Super Star Soccer for the N64) oh, and we also play Dr. Mario for the NES.

      So suck it loser

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  6. Computer Anyone? by ggKimmieGal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I could spend $1000 on a computer that would be four times more powerful, and I would be able to buy video games for it at a fraction of the price. There's nothing coming out for PS3 that really excites me, so why would I waste that much money on it? Personally, I thought that Xbox 360 was too much money, but compared to the PS3, I think I know what will be bought for Christmas.

    1. Re:Computer Anyone? by Troglodyt · · Score: 1

      So give us a url to a shopping cart on some webshop showing us the parts for a $1000 computer _four times_ more powerful than a PS3.
      I'd very much like to get one of those.
      For all I care, you can buy a Virtual Boy for christmas. It's about the games, I've spent a heck of a lot more than $1000 on games only for my PS2, and the console cost me $400. If I can get a PS3 for $600, I still have $800 to spend on games.

    2. Re:Computer Anyone? by Nitrousguru · · Score: 1

      Yep! You'll have a Blue-Ray player and a Cell processor in each of those, output in full 1080P HD, right? And it will play PS1,2 and 3 games with built-in 802.11b/g wireless with bluetooth controllers? I can't wait! If you can make those boxes, I'll take 100 of them right now for $250 each. Where do I order? Sony's DRM is teh suck though. But you can also pre-order a PS3 from www.lik-sang.com with no downpayment, even here in the US.

    3. Re:Computer Anyone? by the_humeister · · Score: 1
      Personally, I thought that Xbox 360 was too much money, but compared to the PS3, I think I know what will be bought for Christmas.


      A Wii?
    4. Re:Computer Anyone? by be-fan · · Score: 0, Troll

      Whaa? $1000 wouldn't buy you a computer as powerful as a PS3, and games would be just as expensive, unless you're planning on pirating them.

      What are you talking about"

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    5. Re:Computer Anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a Blue-Ray player - Who cares? Blu-Ray movies are the next UMD.

      and a Cell processor - Ok, show me a Sony with a quad Opteron. Next.

      output in full 1080P HD - This is called "SVGA" in the PC world. 1995 called, and so forth

      And it will play PS1,2 and 3 games - No it, will play PC games, dating back to 1981, and anything that can be emulated. Including PS1 titles.

      with built-in 802.11b/g wireless - on any modern PC? Of course. WiFi cards are like $20 now, dude. That's only exciting in consoles.

      with bluetooth controllers? - a Bluetooth USB adapter is $15. Whoopee. Again, only excting to console fanboys.

      Again, what's exciting about a PS3?

      Call me again in five years when you're drooling over the PS4, which will have almost caught up to where PCs are today.

    6. Re:Computer Anyone? by be-fan · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking the same thing. Between my brother and I, there's maybe $2000 of PS2 games at our house, and I've still got a half a dozen I keep meaning to get to buying. $400 versus $600 for a console is really the least of my concerns. If the PS3's lineup is good, they're getting my money.

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    7. Re:Computer Anyone? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      SVGA is 640x480x8bit. But 1920x1080 still isn't much for a computer videocard. A quick look at the box of my ancient GeForce 256 reveals that it can output 1920x1080 at 100Hz. Let's see the PS3 produce more than 60Hz.

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    8. Re:Computer Anyone? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Current generation console games cost 60€. Next gen console games are starting to cost 68€ and Sony seems to be intent on going even higher. PC games still go for 40-45€, sometimes lower. PC games drop in price much faster than console games and there are many games released at a cheaper price point because they are coming from smaller developers (and yes, those can be found on store shelves). Also some PC games allow modifying them (and if it's just adding maps and rebalancing the weapons) to gain some extra mileage. Region locks are rare and the harddrive speeds up loading a LOT. Granted, copy protection measures are a PITA but on most computers they don't do much more than a console already requires (leaving the disc in the drive).

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    9. Re:Computer Anyone? by be-fan · · Score: 1

      Ah, a European gamer. Here in the US, PS2 and PC games are both around $50. XBox 360 games are $60, but Sony hasn't said anything about matching suit.

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    10. Re:Computer Anyone? by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      Yeah, let's see you get any type of respectable frame rate in a high-detail scene at that resolution, though. Refresh rate is absolutely nothing to go by.

    11. Re:Computer Anyone? by ggKimmieGal · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Gotta Love Best Buy

      Basics only, the PS3 is said to have 256mb of RAM, where as this computer has 2GB of RAM. The size of the harddrive is 320GB, which is about 5 times larger than the 60GB harddrive that comes with the PS3. The processor of the computer is 2.2 Ghz. I have yet to see any specifics on the processor used or the power of the processor for the PS3. These are just the very basic differences.

      See what I mean about computers for the same price being far more powerful?

    12. Re:Computer Anyone? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Well, yes, but I thought he was talking about using the system as a computer. Games won't run well at that resolution (except for the older ones) but I rarely see the difference between 1024x768 and higher resolutions in most games.

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    13. Re:Computer Anyone? by Troglodyt · · Score: 1

      So you benchmark the performance of a computer by the size of its harddrive?
      You have yet to see any specifics on the processor in the PS3?
      You seem to like the idea of comparing clock frequency, so show me where to get a 12.8 Ghz processor with 28 SPEs. You can't just multiply every number you find on the specs for a computer to get a system four times more powerful. How would you even measure the "powerfulness"? No, I don't see what you mean by getting a system far more powerful for the same price.

    14. Re:Computer Anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I thought that Xbox 360 was too much money, but compared to the PS3, I think I know what will be bought for Christmas.

      That'd be the Wii, right? :)

  7. Already pre-orders in UK stores by Kazzahdrane · · Score: 3, Informative

    Gamestation in the UK have been taking PS3 pre-orders for weeks. We've been taking them at £425 for whatever the basic 60Gb package is (i.e. presumably a box with the console and one controller - similar to the PS2). The store I work in has actually stopped taking pre-orders because we've already taken more than we're likely to get come November 17th.

    For £550 with 3 games looks like the £425 price is correct, and that's a pretty decent saving on the game prices since we're expecting new PS3 games to cost above £50 new (Xbox 360 games are generally £49.99 new here in the UK). Also notice that Play.com are saying the games included may change due to availability - or more likely they may put more desirable games into the package if better launch titles are announced. There's really nothing next-gen about a Singstar game from what I saw of E3 footage.

    1. Re:Already pre-orders in UK stores by in5ane · · Score: 1

      I preordered over a month a go at my local Gamestation, and I'm still number 92 in the queue :(

    2. Re:Already pre-orders in UK stores by fistynuts · · Score: 1

      "I preordered over a month a go at my local Gamestation, and I'm still number 92 in the queue"

      What, you expected that number to go down before the system was released?

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    3. Re:Already pre-orders in UK stores by in5ane · · Score: 1

      Wow, what a quick comeback!

  8. There's one born every minute... by Mursk · · Score: 3, Informative

    What's funny is that, by now, probably more people have preordered the PS3 than are likely to receive them at launch. Looks like the $600 price tag may not hurt Sony too much, after all. I'm interested to see how this will all turn out.

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  9. Cunning Plan 101 by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. Order PS3 for Sony fanboys from UK.
    2. Sell it on eBay after launch while artificial shortage exists.
    3. Use profits to buy Wii.
    4. Put rest into Nintendo shares.
    5. Retire to sunny Bermuda.

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    1. Re:Cunning Plan 101 by psycln · · Score: 1

      I did that last christmas with the xbox 360. Pre-ordered two, one using my name and the other using my gf's and sold them on eBay 2 weeks before the holiday for ££££. BINGO, I made so much I upgraded by PC and is so powerful now I don't even think the PS3 can match it's power and I still have extra for a Wii. Me happy, customer is a happy fool. :D

    2. Re:Cunning Plan 101 by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 3, Funny

      I made so much I upgraded by PC and is so powerful now I don't even think the PS3 can match it's power

      If you wanted real ultimate power, you should have ordered a ninja.

  10. Not the first... by Psychotext · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Play.com wasn't the first site to offer the PS3 for pre-order, Gamestation (http://www.gamestation.co.uk/product.asp?id=ps3h0 02) had it on their site the day after the press conference, there may have been others too.

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    1. Re:Not the first... by Psychotext · · Score: 1

      Oops, redundant. :)

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  11. Even the shop staff don't care by Leo+Sasquatch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In local non-chain game store the other week trading in ancient PS1 and games - female assistant rather disinterestedly asked me if I wanted to pre-order a PS3. No thanks, I say, I'm getting a Wii. You'd have thought I'd plugged her into the mains! Wasn't it cool, had I seen the E3 videos, wouldn't a lightsaber game totally rock, didn't the new Zelda look amazing? Chatted for a while, then went downstairs and browsed the pre-owned Xbox titles. G.b.t.c asked me if I was interested in upgrading to a 360. No thanks, nothing there I want, I'm waiting for the Wii. Bzzzt! Had I seen the E3 videos, had I seen Miyamoto conducting the orchestra, had I seen the drumming game? The staff in there are gamer geeks one and all, and none of them give two hoots about the PS3.

    In GAME today, chatting to the manager - he says that he's starting to get lists of pre-orders for software for PS3, and he thinks he's going to get stuck with a lot of unsold stock, especially among the many, many sequelae. As in Ridge Racer 6, Tekken 5 and Tony Hawk's 8. He said he thought they'd end up having to do bundles very early on just to shift some of these games. Apparently most of the pre-orders are from parents whose kids want the PS3 for Xmas. People who are buying their own machines are mostly going for the 360 now, or waiting for the Wii.

    1. Re:Even the shop staff don't care by Format_see · · Score: 0, Troll

      Psssst.. Thej wii is for kids, chicks and fags!

  12. Games sell consoles not the other way around by angrymilkman · · Score: 1

    All this speculation about which console will dominate, nobody can tell, its all going to be decided whichever manufacturer signs an exclusive deal with whatever game will be the most popular this fall. Look at how many ps2's were sold when GTA came out, I predict the same for any console that comes with such a killer game. We should not look at the consoles but at the games.

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    1. Re:Games sell consoles not the other way around by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Good point. But I think a lot of us actually looked at the gaming lists for the different consoles. I did. What I saw was that the Wii has a lot of really fun games, in multiple areas of gaming, that I want to play, and that it was kind of spare for the PS3 and 360, unless I was a sports geek (hint - get a 360) or needed Blu-Ray (hint - get a PS3).

      So, I'm down for a Wii right now. In fact, I like it so much, I bought the company! - literally, today I bought 500 shares of NTDOY.PK (Nintendo ADR shares), after having sold off 400 Microsoft shares at the market peak (before the crash).

      Call me a fool if you will, but my guts rarely wrong about these things. And over the years I've learned to listen to my gut.

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  13. Another Nintendo wank-fest by be-fan · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Can someone just answer one question for me?

    What's with this blind faith in Nintendo? Their last two consoles have been decidedly mediocre. Decent hardware, patchy library. Why's is everyone convinced this run-through is going to be different? Personally, I have no faith in Nintendo anymore. I loved my NES and SNES. I bought an N64 the day it came out, even though it came out late. Sold it a year later, got a PSX so I could actually play some games. Bought a Gamecube a year after it came out, hoping it'd have some games out by then. It got me out of gaming entirely for a couple of years, until I bought a PS2 mini last summer.

    So what's different this time? Why should I get a Wii this November, and not expect to have to sell it a year later and buy a PS3 to actually do some gaming?

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    1. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by Ash-Fox · · Score: 4, Insightful
      What's with this blind faith in Nintendo? Their last two consoles have been decidedly mediocre. Decent hardware, patchy library. Why's is everyone convinced this run-through is going to be different?
      I'm not a gamer, I don't own a billion consoles. The last console I got was one when I was under ten years of age, it was a present from my parents.

      Over the years, I have seen the Super Nintendo Entertainment System, Nintendo 64, Nintendo Gamecube. Everytime I got a chance (rarely happened, and console gaming isn't really a interest to me) to play on one of these machines, I remember it being fun. Unlike my experiences with things like Final Fantasy Seven on the PlayStation, which I did try after I was begged into doing it.

      I'm probably going to get a Wii, but I'm not going to get it without demoing it at the store first. I've never bought a console before, this would be the first time.

      I see the X-box 360 as a rip off with the additional fees you would need to pay to actually use what I consider should be a free feature.. X-box live.

      Why you might ask?

      Paying to support a instant messaging service, a indexing server and something that provides my machine with URLs for updates that have been known to be a bit messy. Paying just so I can use a built in feature of games to play with others on-line.

      PC games have been providing this for free for years. If expenses are really a issue, they could easily allow people to run their own services. Some of which no doubt will provide it for free. I'm all for supporting a company, but I don't want to support a company by paying for something I shouldn't have to.

      There is the PS3, well, over the years. I've bought mp3 players from Sony that couldn't play MP3s. My parents have bought me various Sony products which have been total crap. I have heard so many issues about Sony hardware. Not to mention it's going to be the second most expensive console in history. Err, no thanks.

      The quality of graphics I've seen so far for games (pictures I've seen in articles) I'm interested in being released for the Wii vs the x-box 360 I can't really tell the difference in graphics quality, probably because the game manufacturers aren't really taking advantage of all that extra power which I keep hearing about.

      Personally, I have no faith in Nintendo anymore.
      Why the hell do you use faith for making purchasing decisions? That's terrible logic.

      Why should I get a Wii this November, and not expect to have to sell it a year later and buy a PS3 to actually do some gaming?
      Don't get a Wii this November. You don't have to. You can just wait for the PS3 to come out and compare.
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    2. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by Red+Samurai · · Score: 1

      Amen to that. Nintendo haven't proven shit yet.

    3. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what's different this time?

      The difference is that after 10 years (N64 was released 1996 AFAIK) of Playstation-fanboy wank-fests, Nintendo-fanboys now take the bridge and wank back.

      And I can't blame them for it. The price is great. The controller is great. The 1st Party games are great.

      The other Games will be nice too. But most people who buy Nintendo wan't games made by Nintendo, anyways.

      I'm 32, and I bought Donkey Konga, Guitar Hero (sure I own a PS2, too), and I'll use the Wii controller for a long time before I buy a used PS3 for a fraction of the current price. That's the plan.

    4. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by tuffy · · Score: 1

      Because the Wii comes from the same design philosophy as the DS. Nintendo's proven it is a successful strategy for portables, and I can't think of any reason it should be any less successful for a console.

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    5. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by be-fan · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Why the hell do you use faith for making purchasing decisions? That's terrible logic.

      I'm using the weak-form of faith here. Not as in religious belief, but as in confidence in capability. Everyone here is talking about how they'll get a Wii this November, and that's based on faith --- confidence in the idea that Nintendo will deliver the gaming experience they are promising.

      I have no such confidence, because Nintendo's track record with its last two consoles just isn't good. What I was wondering was why (honestly), everyone else seems to have confidence in them, despite emperical evidence to the contrary?

      People accuse Sony of relying on hype, but it's not Sony relying on hype this time around. Even with all the negative publicity they've received, there are a lot of people looking forward to the PS3. They're certainly not looking forward to it based on the previews, but because of Sony's track record with the PS1 and PS2. Meanwhile, everyone is fawning over Nintendo for a good showing at E3, despite the knowledge that the previews suggested that the N64 and GC were going to be awesome too, but those systems never built up a substantial library.

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    6. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by be-fan · · Score: 1

      The difference is that after 10 years (N64 was released 1996 AFAIK) of Playstation-fanboy wank-fests, Nintendo-fanboys now take the bridge and wank back.

      At least Playstation fanboy wank-fests were driven by success. The Playstations sold lots of consoles, and had a ton of good games. Nintendo last two console efforts paled in comparison.

      I can understand Nintendo fanboy's wanking over the DS. They're justified in doing so based on the system's record. But the Wii has no such record. It's an unproven gamble, from a company that managed to lose marketshare even to a mediocre first-try offering from Microsoft. The Wii could very well work out, despite Nintendo's track record, but everyone here seems to be treating it like a sure thing. Meanwhile, they're ridiculing Sony, which has for the last decade been delivering what Nintendo has not!

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    7. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by BrainInAJar · · Score: 1

      Let me give my .02 cents (Canadian cents, so that's like, 1.8ish cents USD).

      I, like you, was formerly a Nintendo diehard. I bought an N64 and was sorely dissapointed as well. As a result I completely avoided the GC.

      This time, though, is different. I played with a DS at EB... then I bought one when the lite was launched

      Playing with the DS, I'm convinced that Nintendo's found it's way again. These games are fun. Because of the E3 videos, the games lineup planned for launch, and the DS... I have faith that the Wii will be well worth it's $200 (a fraction of the sports-box360 or ps$3,000 cost)

    8. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by macshit · · Score: 1

      What's with this blind faith in Nintendo? Their last two consoles have been decidedly mediocre. Decent hardware, patchy library. Why's is everyone convinced this run-through is going to be different?

      There's nothing particularly wrong with the n64/gc libraries -- nowhere near the quantity of ps2 games, but there are some absolutely incredible games, and certainly enough to satisfy. Nintendo's hardware and 1st-party games are of course top-notch.

      I think the feeling is that with every new generation, the counter gets reset, and the only thing required for good 3rd-party support is mind-share.

      In the last gen, Sony played their cards perfectly and managed to hold onto the the mind-share they had with the ps1 -- but many people seem to feel they've stumbled badly this time, and that Nintendo stands a good chance to get 3rd party support they didn't in the last gen. Given that Nintendo's pretty much guaranteed to offer high quality hardware and 1st-party games, has a vastly lower price point, and is simply doing more interesting things than Sony is, why would you not want to invest in a wii???

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    9. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 1

      I thought the original playstation did really well, and that was heavily influenced by Nintendo directly, seeing as they were jointly developing it.

      Oh, but I kid.

      The N64 wasn't horridly disappointing, it had some really good games, just a glacial release schedule since pretty much all of them were first party. It was disappointing compared to the SNES, sure. But if you remember the lessons learned from that little transition you certainly aren't going to jump on the PS3 bandwagon at launch.

      The Gamecube was a lot better than the N64. It mainly only lacked a ton of jRPGs(it only has 4.5, one of which is a dreamcast port, they're all good though), and was really strong when it comes to party games. My GCN got more play than my PS2 because of this, people were always stopping by the appt with a case of beer to play crap like warioware, and most weekends, before I moved, the thing was almost constantly being used. It also got a lot of the cross-platform titles, and a handfull of great third party exclusives(some of which ceased exclusivity after a year and got inferior PS2 ports, like the capcom 5).

      But anyway, all that is beside the point, I don't need faith to support the Wii. It has 10 titles I'd like to play due out at or around launch, which is something I can't say about the PS3. And I'm not evening factoring in the Virtual Console there. The amount of entertainment I'm looking at getting out of it, right off the bat, is so much more for so much less than the PS3 that it's ridiculious. $700 for 10 games(plus the VC) versus $740 for 2(and obsoleting my PS2). It's a no brainer.

      Maybe you Sony people should look at the reaction on the internet and see it for what it is. The PS3 atm, is a fool's purchase. I'll reevaluate that in 2007 and 2008, but atm that is absolutely true.

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    10. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by be-fan · · Score: 1

      The N64 and GC were very dissapointing not just from a gaming, but a market-share point of view. One could forgive Nintendo losing to Sony with the N64 --- they were late and the cart versus CD thing really did them in. But losing to Microsoft when both launched at the same time, and the XBox wasn't even that good? That's just sad. What it shows is simply that people didn't want to buy what Nintendo was selling.

      In any case, my problem with the Wii hype is that Nintendo hasn't addressed the thing that made the N64 and GC so dissapointing: the library. In other words, they haven't changed what they're selling. The Wii looks like more of the same: a system mainly useful for playing first-party Nintendo stuff. The Wii hopeful are betting that there will be tons of people who want to play these games, but history suggests otherwise. For every 30-year old ex-gamer that might tune in for some cheap fun, there are a dozen current gamers who want Gran Turismo, Madden, Final Fantasy, etc.

      Nintendo is betting it can expand the market of people who will buy its games, and the Wii fans are treating it like it's a sure thing. But its far from a sure thing. If so many people wanted to buy first-party Nintendo titles, a lot more people would own Gamecubes. After all, it was 2/3's the price of the PS2 when it launched. But five times as many people own PS2s as Gamecubes, and there's got to be a reason for that. Maybe Nintendo can create and cultivate this "casual gamer" market that its betting on, but don't think for a moment its not a gamble.

      I hear people say stuff like "Nintendo is going to bury Sony", and get irritated not because I give a shit about Sony (like I said, I got my PS2 last year --- I'm hardly a die hard fan), but because it's so irrational. It's completely grounded in hope and ignores both historical precedent and actual evidence about what the market wants to buy.

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    11. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by be-fan · · Score: 1

      There's nothing particularly wrong with the n64/gc libraries -- nowhere near the quantity of ps2 games, but there are some absolutely incredible games, and certainly enough to satisfy. Nintendo's hardware and 1st-party games are of course top-notch.

      The N64's and GC's libraries appeal to some people, but obviously not to enough people to help its sales numbers. It lost the sales lead to Microsoft, which had a decidedly mediocre effort. Yeah, there are some great first party titles, but people tend to rack up dozens of games over the life of a console. Of the several people I know that have a GC, none have even close to a dozen games. There's just not enough out there to get that many, unless you have very broad tastes.

      I think the feeling is that with every new generation, the counter gets reset, and the only thing required for good 3rd-party support is mind-share.

      Which is silly. Mind-share is created by peoples' expectations, and peoples' expectations are decided based on their experience. For every person who knows the ins-and-outs of the game industry, and has some idea of what to expect with the Wii, there are lots of regular gamers who simply remember they bought a PS2 rather than a Gamecube, and will go in preferring the PS3 for that reason.

      In the last gen, Sony played their cards perfectly and managed to hold onto the the mind-share they had with the ps1 -- but many people seem to feel they've stumbled badly this time, and that Nintendo stands a good chance to get 3rd party support they didn't in the last gen.

      Nintendo's already given up on third-party support, by releasing a console that doesn't compete technically with everyone elses's. Let's be serious here --- we're talking about the entertainment industry. Being different isn't exactly the way to cater to an established userbase. Why do you think movies are by and large similar each year? Because people like reassuring continuity! "The same as last year but better" moves product, and you can look down on it, but you can't deny it.

      Given that Nintendo's pretty much guaranteed to offer high quality hardware and 1st-party games, has a vastly lower price point, and is simply doing more interesting things than Sony is, why would you not want to invest in a wii???

      Because I'm a rational person who is capable of learning from the past. I've stuck my finger in the electrical socket twice before, and I'll assume I'm going to get shocked again if I do until I have concrete evidence to the contrary.

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    12. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 1

      The only reason anyone cares about marketshare is because it impacts third party development. The only reason anyone cares about third party development is because it provides a huge amount of a machine's library(except in the case of Nintendo, which is an extremely strong first party). We care about the library because it impacts the value of our console purchase, and it determines how much time we can spend with our console. That's why the PS2 was so successful, it's a chicken and egg problem. Once you hit critical mass, titles come to your system, fueling even more console purchases, which fuels more third party development. It's all about momentum, the console war is.

      As to marketshare from another perspective, the Gamecube didn't do badly. It destroyed the XBox in Japan(and was doing better than the 360 there until recently), didn't bomb but didn't do nearly as well in the US, and it'll probably finish up 2nd worldwide when all is said and done, but even if it doesn't the gap between the two isn't huge even atm. This, despite the fact that Microsoft lost billions of dollars and Nintendo turned a profit.

      When it comes to library... first off Madden is a poor example, it comes out on everything(even the GC), and it's a launch title for the Wii. Anyway, they began to address the failings of their library during the GC. Making titles like Eternal Darkness, repairing relationships with Capcom, Konami, Square-enix, etc. Looking at their launch lineup, we have a Final Fantasy and a Dragon Quest, we have a 16:9 version of Zelda, we have a Metroid title, Call of Duty 3, a downright wierd title called Elebits from Konami, and an exclusive FPS/sword hybrid from Ubi(among others). We also have an exclusive Resident Evil(aka Biohazard), we have Hideo Kojima(of MGS fame) begging to get Snake into Smash Bros Brawl and stating his next project after MGS4 is for the Wii, and a ton of Japanese devs hedging their bets by doing development for the console(only announced atm, but the same can be said for the PS3), probably influenced by the success of the DS and the lower dev costs for the platform. I'm really not worried about the library, the titles already announced and with release dates that aren't TBA are more than worth the price of admission imo. Most of Nintendo's first party franchises within the launch window, and some decent third party titles at the same time. There is also stuff like Disaster - Day of Defeat, Project HAMMER, the resurrection of Kid Icarus, and the virtual console.

      Lineups change, third parties shift to where the money and install base is. Declaring library victory for the PS3 is just as premature atm as declaring it for the Wii. Those titles could easily shift over if the Wii achieves that critical mass, and vice versa.

      In addition, as to appeal, I saw first hand on numerous occassions the draw of Nintendo's games. Many of the people who would stop by and play them weren't gamers, they probably wouldn't buy a console, and they certainly wouldn't touch any but a handful of PS2 games in my catalog, but games like Mario Kart, Warioware, Mario Party, and the Mario sports games were huge draws. This doesn't affirm anything at all for the US, where the DS phenomenon hasn't occured, but it bodes very very well for Nintendo in Japan. If Nintendo manages to defeat Sony in japan, if they turn the Wii into a new DS-esque craze, they will win here. The PS3 will not get the huge bevy of third party titles the PS2 got(since most of them were japanese), and that combined with it's high price tag will cause it to lose.

      There's a lot of ifs in that last paragraph. I'm not basing my purchasing decision or my advocacy on the hypotheticals. I'm basing it on the launch library, the announced titles with solid release dates within the first few months(something neither FFXIII nor MGS4 have), the virtual console, and the price(meaning value). I only judge by what I see, if the situation changes I'll re-evaluate.

      These are the questions you should ask yourself atm p

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    13. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by macshit · · Score: 1

      Mind-share is created by peoples' expectations, and peoples' expectations are decided based on their experience. For every person who knows the ins-and-outs of the game industry, and has some idea of what to expect with the Wii, there are lots of regular gamers who simply remember they bought a PS2 rather than a Gamecube, and will go in preferring the PS3 for that reason.

      By that same logic, the xbox -- and the PS1! -- should have failed miserably. There's certainly an element of "just blindly keep buying the same brand", but there are also clearly turning points from time to time where something new comes along and captures the public's imagination.

      Now, it's very hard to predict these turning points, but the Wii's extremely strong showing at E3 (both among players and developers) makes people feel that maybe such shift is coming. Maybe Nintendo's innovations will move the market, or maybe you're right that the public will just opt for the same-old same-old -- but it's hardly a sure thing either way [and of course the huge price differential hardly hurts Nintendo's cause!].

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    14. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by be-fan · · Score: 1

      By that same logic, the xbox -- and the PS1! -- should have failed miserably. There's certainly an element of "just blindly keep buying the same brand", but there are also clearly turning points from time to time where something new comes along and captures the public's imagination.

      It's not just a matter of "blindly" keeping the same brand. It's shaping your expectations based on previous history. I think one of the only reasons the N64 did as well as it did is because people had a lot of expectations from Nintendo. Nobody had such expectations from Sony --- the PSX did well because Sony did a damn good job of cultivating third party support and getting games out that people wanted to play.

      Now, it's very hard to predict these turning points, but the Wii's extremely strong showing at E3 (both among players and developers) makes people feel that maybe such shift is coming. Maybe Nintendo's innovations will move the market, or maybe you're right that the public will just opt for the same-old same-old -- but it's hardly a sure thing either way [and of course the huge price differential hardly hurts Nintendo's cause!].
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      That's a perfectly sensible statement. It is entirely possible that the Wii will not just be a first-party Nintendo box, that Nintendo will cultivate a broad library of third-party games that appeals to a wide range of tastes. While history suggests that it won't, at least Nintendo has said that this is a goal for them. However, these are just possibilities, and they make the Wii a dark-horse, not the sure bet that everyone is making it out to be. It is just as possible, and arguably more likely, that the market will maintain the status-quo, because it is a simple fact that for every true innovation that reshapes the market, there are a dozen failed innovations that the market rejects.

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    15. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by be-fan · · Score: 1

      The only reason anyone cares about marketshare is because it impacts third party development. The only reason anyone cares about third party development is because it provides a huge amount of a machine's library(except in the case of Nintendo, which is an extremely strong first party).

      The lack of third-party development really killed the N64's and GC's library for a lot of people. I know several people that own a GC (including myself), and only one actually likes the library. A lot of people just don't like that many of Nintendo's first-party titles. Personally, I got a kick out of Zelda and the two Metroids, but couldn't care less about any of the other ones. In any case, Nintendo doesn't publish all that many first-party games anyway. Even if you like every game Nintendo puts out, that's hardly a decently-sized library.

      As to marketshare from another perspective, the Gamecube didn't do badly. It destroyed the XBox in Japan(and was doing better than the 360 there until recently), didn't bomb but didn't do nearly as well in the US, and it'll probably finish up 2nd worldwide when all is said and done, but even if it doesn't the gap between the two isn't huge even atm. This, despite the fact that Microsoft lost billions of dollars and Nintendo turned a profit.

      Nintendo is in third, but the gap is fairly small. Of course, I don't really care whether Nintendo turns a profit or not, since it doesn't impact me as a gamer. I care about the games, the GC was lacking seriously in that department. Of course, so did the XBox, so saying that "its not that far behind the XBox" isn't really saying much.

      Looking at their launch lineup, we have a Final Fantasy and a Dragon Quest

      Both of which are spin-offs from the main sequence of games. The games could end up being decent, but given how hard Crystal Chronicles sucked, and how poorly spin-offs in general do, I don't have much hope. In any case, who would want to play offshoots when the real Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest sequels will appear on PS3?

      we have a 16:9 version of Zelda, we have a Metroid title

      Which will undoubtedly be good. On the other hand, if the Wii follows the GC, they'll be one of the dozen games for the system you'll actually want to own.

      Call of Duty 3

      Which will be a second-rate port of the "real" 360 and P3 versions.

      exclusive FPS/sword hybrid from Ubi(among others).

      Are you talking about Red Steel? It looks interesting, but the graphics are kind of lame. The graphics aren't going to be a big deal for a lot of games, but the FPS market is rather sensitive to that sort of thing.

      We also have an exclusive Resident Evil(aka Biohazard),

      Which will be another one of that dozen, given how RE4 is one of the few games worth owning on the GC...

      BA are more than worth the price of admission imo. Most of Nintendo's first party franchises within the launch window, and some decent third party titles at the same time. There is also stuff like Disaster - Day of Defeat, Project HAMMER, the resurrection of Kid Icarus, and the virtual console.

      The N64's TBA lineup was also quite promising as well. However, once the PSX picked up steam, a lot of those games vaporized.

      Lineups change, third parties shift to where the money and install base is. Declaring library victory for the PS3 is just as premature atm as declaring it for the Wii.

      It's premature in both cases, but not equally so. On the PS3's side, it's just an assertion that the status quo will be maintained. On the Wii's side, it's an assertion that a dramatic turnaround will happen. Maintainence of the status quo is generally the more likely outcome. That is not to say that the Wii will fail, but rather that the odds are against it succeeding.

      In addition, as to appeal, I saw first hand on numerous occassions the draw of Nintendo's games. Many of the people who would stop by and play them weren't gamers, they probably wouldn't buy a cons

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    16. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even if you like every game Nintendo puts out, that's hardly a decently-sized library.

      I do like Nintendo titles, they tend to be excellent examples of their respective genres. I have 30 games for the cube I spent an average of $15 apiece on, and about 45 for the PS2, which I've spent about $18 apiece on. I'm happier with my Cube because it was cheaper, we play it at just about every get together I've had, and it hasn't broke on me yet(I'm on my third PS2, just picked another one up after determining I wasn't going to get a PS3 at launch).

      Both of which are spin-offs from the main sequence of games. The games could end up being decent, but given how hard Crystal Chronicles sucked, and how poorly spin-offs in general do, I don't have much hope. In any case, who would want to play offshoots when the real Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest sequels will appear on PS3?

      So was Seiken Densetsu AKA Secret of Mana(which was Seiken Densetsu 2). It started as FF: Adventure. FF:CC really wasn't a bad game either, you just had to play it with 2-3 other people for it to shine as anything other than a generic real-time dungeon crawl(the bucket was freakin' like Eris's apple, we almost got into fist-fights playing that game)*. The only thing I know about the new FF:CC is that it looks classic FF in styling, which is a good thing imo, and even if it goes along the same formula as the last one, that's no bigger of a departure than XI or XII. I've played every FF since 1(missing 3, which I'll probably play on the DS when it comes out) and the main series has been disappointing to me of late, so...

      As to Dragon Quest, the only Dragon Quest title I know of for next gen systems *is* Swords. The prequel to swords was a game called Dragon Quest Kenshin, a stand-alone unit with SNES-style graphics, a friend of mine has it, it's actually quite a bit of fun. As to the main series - I found VIII to be incredibly easy, and short. I played it like the a DQ and just tore through it. It also had little annoyances like lens flare(in a cartoon!?) and inconsistant rendering(non cell-shaded environments). I'm not a graphics whore, at all, but I am a style whore. One of the things I loved about the original metroid prime was the little details they put in. Water flowing off the visor, mist, heat off the power beam, Samus's face lighting up. Or Windwaker, where the whole thing had a very consistant and imo excellent style to it.

      Which will be a second-rate port of the "real" 360 and P3 versions.

      Maybe, maybe not. You could argue that the 360/PS3 versions will be second-rate versions of the PC version, they won't look better, and they won't have the control.

      The Wii version could end up having the control of the PC version, while lacking the graphics, and vice-versa for the PS3/X360.

      The N64's TBA lineup was also quite promising as well. However, once the PSX picked up steam, a lot of those games vaporized.

      Most famously FFVII. The SNES/Genesis->N64/PS/Saturn transition is why I don't buy consoles based upon the future. I've been burnt on that before. It is completely possible the same thing could happen to the PS3. I'm not counting on it, but it's possible.

      The games I listed(that you quoted) are all Nintendo first/second party though, so it's unlikely they'll vaporize.

      It's premature in both cases, but not equally so. On the PS3's side, it's just an assertion that the status quo will be maintained. On the Wii's side, it's an assertion that a dramatic turnaround will happen. Maintainence of the status quo is generally the more likely outcome. That is not to say that the Wii will fail, but rather that the odds are against it succeeding.

      History within the console realm maintains that no company has yet to keep dominance for more than 2 generations. The status quo argument is the same one that was used for the N64, and we all saw how that worked out. If Sony pulls it off, it'll be the first time it's ever been done. And th

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    17. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by be-fan · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the well-reasoned response to my question. Like I said, I was honestly wondering what factors would make people jump on the Wii bandwagon. If its launch lineup does it for you, then great, you're going to be a happy gamer come November.

      However, I think a lot of the pro-Nintendo hype is banking on there being a consistent stream of good games coming out for the Wii, and I think that's far from assured. Moreover, I think some very basic things are still up in the air. For example, everybody talks about the controller, often citing the "swinging the controller to swing a sword" example, but Miyamoto said recently in an interview about Twilight Princess that they took that action out of the game because it was simply too tiring to do. I think a lot of games are going to end up that way. The controller would be great for a fishing game, for example, but fishing sims are slow to play, and I could see your arms getting tired really fast.

      To sum it up: I just don't see why everyone isn't like you, instead being convinced that they have the crystal ball and it shows Nintendo "burying everyone". I don't think the position of most of the Wii faithful is really rationally justifiable. I strongly agree with the wait-and-see approach, though. I got my PS2 last year, so I've got a whole bunch of good, cheap games to tide me over. But most people aren't like that. The period right after launch is one of the most important in a console's life, and that means lots of people end up buying the console based on what they think the library will look like. I agree its not the safest idea, but that's what happens. Come Christmas '06, I think a lot of people will look at their GC, then look at their PS2, and pass over the Wii for that reason. It seems weird that so many people fail to acknowledge that very likely possibility.

      As for the N64, I think it offers some substantial insight into the next generation. On one hand, it was the most expensive console of the generation (the hardware was cheaper, but the cost of games overshadowed that). So in that regard, it could bode poorly for the PS3. On the other hand, it also ushered in Nintendo's "quality over quantity" era, which Nintendo is still suffering from. The simple fact is that most people have fairly narrow tastes, and Nintendo's ideology really doesn't play well for such people. I don't think Nintendo has done anything to emphatically reject that, and indeed, seems to be wholly embracing it by making the Wii uncompetitive in the performance realm. I don't think a focus on "quality gameplay" is going to make the console a success, any more than quality acting makes Hollywood movies successful.

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    18. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by fujiman · · Score: 1
      from a company that managed to lose marketshare even to a mediocre first-try offering from Microsoft

      So your point is... what, exactly? Have you calculated how much market share was lost by Sony as well? Or are you assuming every Xbox purchase was a lost Gamecube sale? Seems to me (now as then), Sony and MS are likely competing for the same market.

    19. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      I care about the games, the GC was lacking seriously in that department.

      I'm a picky gamer. The 85 GC titles I have sitting on my shelf say otherwise.

      A few I bought for novelty purposes (BMX XXX for $5, Turok Evolution for $5...), but I can confidently state that at least 50 of them are titles that I would have absolutely no problem with recommending to other people, depending on their tastes.

      I also don't own all of the games that I'd like to -- things like Goblin Commander, that I didn't pick up right away and haven't been able to find since. I also don't have many games that are popular, but I consider crap -- think Splinter Cell 2 and beyond.

      I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If you think the GC library is inadequate, you're either too picky, or you just haven't looked hard enough (or, in many peoples' cases, at all).

      --Jeremy

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    20. Re:Another Nintendo wank-fest by be-fan · · Score: 1

      You're obviously not picky. You might have high standards, but you seem to have very *broad* tastes. Because there's no way you are like a normal person, with interests in a few categories of games, and still manage to find 85 GC titles worth owning. The GC simply doesn't have that kind of depth in any specific genre.

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  14. Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Optimizing and optimising are both correct. One is not more "American" than the other. Buy an OED and educate yourself. Program is also spelt correctly. He's referring to code. I'm British, by the way. You are the worst kind of language snob: the ill-informed one.

    1. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Program" does not have it's own space in the OED, it is under "programme" as an AUS/US spelling (so not to be used in British English). However, when referring to computer code the OED does have a note saying "(usu. program)"

      It may also surprise you that "optimise" is not in the OED, it has the spelling listed as "optimize", and there is no "optimising" or "optimizing" to be seen anywhere.

      This is from a 1996 dictionary, so may have changed.

  15. For those thinking of pre-ordering one from here.. by TheBiGW · · Score: 1
    ..Don't get your hopes up that you'll get one on launch day. Play received over 400 pre-orders on the first day this went live, and it's been up for a few weeks now.

    And just because you are first doesn't mean you will get one. They will send the units out to their biggest customers first, rather than those who were first in the queue. Just ask any number of dissapointed people who tried to pre-order a 360 from Play, only to have to find one elsewhere when their preorder wasn't honored

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  16. Your original post was stupid, and this one by zeuson · · Score: 1

    realy has humiliated yourself very badly.

  17. Uhhh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    ~$1000?

    I've just become a 100% Nintendo-fanboy!