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Hire a Game Coach Online

Carl Bialik from WSJ writes "Expert videogame players, many of them teens, are forging professional careers as coaches, finding clients — many of them in their 20s or 30s — online, the Wall Street Journal reports. Some gigs pay $65 an hour. From the article: 'Gaming-lessons.com says its youngest "Halo 2" instructor is 8-year-old New Yorker Victor De Leon III — better known by his online gamer name, Lil Poison — who has given several lessons a month since late last year, fitting the classes in after he has done his homework. His father, also named Victor, says his son has used some of the money he earns from lessons (hourly rate: $25) to buy a hamster, named Cortana after a character in the game.'"

179 comments

  1. waste of money by Mr.Dippy · · Score: 0, Troll

    that is the gheyest thing I've ever heard. Paying a kid $25 to get good at Halo is pathetic to say the least.

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    1. Re:waste of money by suggsjc · · Score: 5, Funny

      I bet his hamster could beat you though...

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    2. Re:waste of money by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Back in the era of the NES and SNES Nintendo Power used to advertise official game company 1-900 numbers where you could get rad tips for some crazy per-minute charge. I never called one, but I imagine a lot of children drove their parent's phone bills through the roof.

    3. Re:waste of money by flooey · · Score: 1

      Back in the era of the NES and SNES Nintendo Power used to advertise official game company 1-900 numbers where you could get rad tips for some crazy per-minute charge. I never called one, but I imagine a lot of children drove their parent's phone bills through the roof.

      I don't know how popular those would have been for action games or such things, but LucasArts used to have a hint line you could call for their adventure games where you could get the solution for a puzzle that had gotten you stuck. I'd bet they got a lot of calls on that.

    4. Re:waste of money by KDR_11k · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not if I have a microwave.

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    5. Re:waste of money by HugePedlar · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I'd say using the word "gheyest" is pathetic to say the least. Maybe I'm just getting old.

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    6. Re:waste of money by mrxak · · Score: 1

      I wonder, did he also buy a little excersize wheel for his hamster and name it Installation 4?

    7. Re:waste of money by telbij · · Score: 1
      Back in the era of the NES and SNES Nintendo Power used to advertise official game company 1-900 numbers where you could get rad tips for some crazy per-minute charge.


      Back in the day the competition level wasn't as stiff. I never felt the need for any of that extra help because video games were just something me and my buddies played. When Quake hit I felt like I was pretty good at it for a few years. But the level of competition started ramping up due to the regional and then global competition pool.

      The base skill level is so much higher these days, if you're not a kid with unlimited time (or naturally talented) it's really hard to have fun on XBox live or Nintendo Wifi. I don't think paying a coach is unreasonable at all if you want to minimize your time investment and still have fun.
    8. Re:waste of money by Doytch · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ya that was me. For LoZ, I racked up over $200 in charges. The phone company ended up taking over 3/4 of it away and I lost my allowance for a bunch of months :(

    9. Re:waste of money by another_fanboy · · Score: 1

      Then where would Halo be?

    10. Re:waste of money by Alexandra+Erenhart · · Score: 1

      But you gotta admit that sounds like a nice way to get income from the gamer, regardless of if it's right/wrong that someone is paying for it. If there is demand, why not supply?.

    11. Re:waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I called that number once for help with the SNES Zelda game. I was living at home but had my own separate phone line which I paid for, so I didn't feel bad about it (I was 16 or so at the time).

      Anyway, I remember being somewhat amazed that any human being knew the layout of the land of Hyrule as well as the guy I talked to. I think I was looking for the ice wand or the fire wand or something, and he just rattled it off like he was giving directions to the supermarket. "Oh sure, you just go up past the third palace in the dark world, the one with the grappling hook, make a left on the outer rim of Lake Hylia, go past the Enchanted Forest..." and so on. I remember it being a very surreal experience. It did help me beat the game though.

      I didn't get transferred to a Zelda expert or anything either and there was no delay like he was looking it up, so he almost certainly had the same level of knowledge of at least several other games.

    12. Re:waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the "gheyest" thing I ever heard was the use of the word "ghey"

      The gaming coaches aren't scamming anyone, rather they are providing a service that is in demand to whatever degree. WIth all the crappy business out there, as well as shitty clients who refuse to pay for goods and services they received, I'm glad to hear that something like this.. these game coaches, are coming into their own.

      The coaches took the time to build a skill, and are now being rewarded for it. Much better than building a skill and getting screwed out of your work.

    13. Re:waste of money by mattgreen · · Score: 1

      I just pronounce it "gee-hey" and chalk it up to "kids who use words so often they had to invent alternate spellings to create the illusion of belonging to a subculture."

    14. Re:waste of money by russ1337 · · Score: 1
      But you gotta admit that sounds like a nice way to get income from the gamer, regardless of if it's right/wrong that someone is paying for it. If there is demand, why not supply?.
      Better yet, its a way to turn all those hours of what his parents probably called 'wasted time' into an income stream...
    15. Re:waste of money by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      Infocom had the same thing, at least after Activision bought them.

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    16. Re:waste of money by Garse+Janacek · · Score: 1

      Actually, for a long time, Nintendo had a free (meaning only long distance charges, not toll-free) line that would give you help/hints if you were stuck. I remember being disappointed when they phased that out in favor of 900 numbers. I never used it much, but it was nice to have if I rented a game and really couldn't figure out what to do next.

      Bizarrely, I still remember the phone number (206-885-7529!), long after I've completely forgotten my home phone number from back then, which I used much more often...

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    17. Re:waste of money by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      They would speak really slowly to pad the call time.

      Upppppppp, uppppppppp dowwwwwwwwn, dowwwwwwwwn, leeeeeeeeeft, riiiiiiiight,leeeeeeeeeft, riiiiiiiight, beeeeee, aaaaaaa, selllllect, staaaaaaaaart.

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    18. Re:waste of money by kfg · · Score: 1

      No sillier than paying someone to check your golf swing, tennis backhand, cycling pedal stroke, violin form, tighten up your chess game, show you knitting stiches or how to trail brake into the corner and drift out under acceleration.

      People take lessons from people more skilled than they are. Big deal.

      I've given online gaming lessons as an instructor through an organized "school." As a volunteer. No money involved for anyone. But I get fifty bucks an hour for some of things listed above and my time and expertise in Grand Prix Legends isn't really worth any less just because I use a driving sim instead of a parking lot.

      KFG

    19. Re:waste of money by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      Isn't that the konami code?

      or is it up down up down left right b a select start ? Something like that worked for level select in TMNT 2 for the NES back in the day. I loved kicking crang's ass in that damn technodrome.

    20. Re:waste of money by mrxak · · Score: 1

      For those just tuning in, the ringworld in Halo: Combat Evolved was called Installation 4.

    21. Re:waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit, I am an adult with a master's degree and someone just 'offered' to pay me a whole $20 for the 10 hours it took to look at and fix their computer! I wish I could find people crazy enough to pay me $25 an hour just to teach them how to play games.

    22. Re:waste of money by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1
      When Quake hit I felt like I was pretty good at it for a few years. But the level of competition started ramping up due to the regional and then global competition pool.

      Heh. I was good at Quake when everybody only had the *original* DOS Quake (with the mpath TCP/IP support) and a modem. You could feel the lag then, and I had gotten pretty good at manually compensating for the delay.

      Then QuakeWorld came out, and then people got high speed Internet (as did I), and I've sucked ever since.

    23. Re:waste of money by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1
      Much better than building a skill and getting screwed out of your work.

      You learned Perl during the dot-com era, didn't you?

    24. Re:waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was no way to finish N64 Superman WITHOUT calling Nintendo for help.

    25. Re:waste of money by jt007 · · Score: 1

      Not being able to get the ice rod (as the fire rod is found in the forest dungeon in the dark world if I remember correctly) is a commonly asked question, so the helpdesk guy searches for keyword 'ice rod' in Zelda and there you go - he reads if off the screen telling you exactly where to go.
      This is just a case of good customer service training and a good system - not necessarily some sort of wise old Zelda sage that knows every intricacy in the entire game!

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  2. I've heard of life coaches.... by krell · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've heard of life coaches. But get-a-life coaches; that's something new!

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    1. Re:I've heard of life coaches.... by uncoveror · · Score: 1

      The problem with life coaches is that they are evil! I sure hope that gaming coaches aren't in on their nefarious plot, too.

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    2. Re:I've heard of life coaches.... by ducklord · · Score: 1

      Be glad for actually reading it as it were. I read "...forging professional careers as Roaches"... I mean, WTF? I cannot earn much more than the basic wage, with years of experience, computer knowledge and whatnot, and some teenage dudes get dressed as roaches and... heck... I felt really bad for a while...

  3. Pathetic by Raistlin77 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    People actually pay for lessons for skills that are useless away from video games? What's next, degrees and certifications?!

    1. Re:Pathetic by krell · · Score: 3, Funny

      "What's next, degrees and certifications?!"

      For the degrees, you don't need coaches. You just buy them from grade-farmers in China.

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    2. Re:Pathetic by HugePedlar · · Score: 1

      There's a university in the UK which offers courses in "Circus Skills", so I wouldn't be surprised.

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    3. Re:Pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Halo2 Clan Leader: "Sorry dude, you need H+ certification and a degree in Frag Mastering to join." Applicant: "But I've been playing first-person shooters for years! I have more experience than any idiot with those junk pieces of paper!!"

    4. Re:Pathetic by adamwright · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why's this pathetic? Is being a PGA instructor pathetic? After all, knowing the optimum golf club for a shot, or how to correctly use a 3-wood is useless away from golf.

      Some people enjoy their leisure activities more if they're good at them (especially when the activity is competitive). Stands to reason the market would provide facilities to help people improve. I wouldn't spend my money on something like this, but I'm not going to disparage the people that do.

    5. Re:Pathetic by tiocsti · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is hardly new, people have been paying for their hobbies for a very long time, either skill improvements (chess coaching, for example) to having to play for supplies and material for other leisure activities, like model airplane flying. I'm not sure what the big deal is here...

    6. Re:Pathetic by MBraynard · · Score: 1

      I reflect your sentiment. There are a LOT of activities persued by amateuers - distance running, triathlon, etc. - people who will never make a dime off of it but wind up spending lots to persue the sport. Many of them hire coaches to get the most out of their experience and interest.

    7. Re:Pathetic by Klaidas · · Score: 1

      University of Gaming?
      Imagine, some time later, when you ask a kid what he want to become when grown-up, he'll answer "I wanna be a prof. of Counter-Strike!"

    8. Re:Pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm.. I don't see the problem here. People pay for learning skills for specific activities all the time. People take tennis lessons, piano lessons, guitar lessons, rock climbing lessons, chess lessons, and on and on... skills useless away from those activities. They take these lessons because they enjoy the activities and hope to improve. If people want to pay to improve their game so be it.

    9. Re:Pathetic by Nerd4News · · Score: 2, Funny
      skills that are useless away from video games?

      Oh, I don't know about that. I've found it useful to chuck a few grenades into a room before I enter. Other than the janitor at work getting royally pissed it has served me well.
    10. Re:Pathetic by Roody+Blashes · · Score: 1

      Is being a PGA instructor pathetic?
      No, but unless you're a pro looking to improve your game to make more money, hiring one is.

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    11. Re:Pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because hiring someone to train you how to mash buttons in the proper sequence and move joysticks is just a LITTLE different from learning PGA-level golf skills?

    12. Re:Pathetic by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      People actually pay for lessons for skills that are useless away from video games? What's next, degrees and certifications?!

      Certainly! And just like in real life, by the time you have mastered the skill/technology/theory it's all changed to something else.

      finally, I have complete mastery of the AT codes for modems ... now what's this DSL stuff I'm hearing about?

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    13. Re:Pathetic by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      Plenty of non-professional golfers use their game to make lots more money. Why do you think so many people play golf?

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    14. Re:Pathetic by Donut2099 · · Score: 1

      It's worth it just for the money you'll save on golf balls.

    15. Re:Pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least with video games, massive amounts of land doesn't go to waste.

    16. Re:Pathetic by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 4, Funny
      After all, knowing the optimum golf club for a shot, or how to correctly use a 3-wood is useless away from golf.


      Not if you have a groundhog digging up your yard and you can't seem to chase it off. It doesn't see the golf ball coming. The surprise shot usually sends it off for days.

      There are other cross sport uses, too. For instance, baseball helped improve my bowling skills. Ever since I started bowling overhand, I'm not wasting frames trying to adjust to the lane conditions.
    17. Re:Pathetic by mobby_6kl · · Score: 4, Funny

      > People actually pay for lessons for skills that are useless away from video games?

      So it's mostly just like college, then.

    18. Re:Pathetic by Fozzyuw · · Score: 1
      ...when you ask a kid what he want to become when grown-up, he'll answer "I wanna be a prof. of Counter-Strike!"

      yeah, poor kid. He probably wanted to be a professional sports athlete too, but was teased and bullied by people into playing video games.

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    19. Re:Pathetic by Alexandra+Erenhart · · Score: 1

      The gamer part of me is saying "that would rock!". The rest is saying "how lame". I won't say what's the % of each one thought :P

    20. Re:Pathetic by bitt3n · · Score: 1
      yes, how dare they spend their own money to improve at something they find enjoyable. If they have so much free cash lying around, they should donate it to a worthy cause.

      Might I suggest the Self-Important Prigs Appreciation society?

    21. Re:Pathetic by Yogs · · Score: 1

      Your analogy is pretty good. The reason I'd never go for it, in spite of enjoying video games, and enjoying the notion of being able to actually beat someone at one of them is this: Computer games come and go... for the most part rather quickly. Golf, however, in spite of equipment advances, is basically the same game it always was. That, and I don't pay for golf lessons either.

    22. Re:Pathetic by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Certification? That's a spot at the top of the rankings. Or, you know, in the top percentile or so. Back when I used to play Mechwarrior 4 I was regularly at the top of the attrition and team attrition stat ladders, whee ha. I was also decently-ranked at UT back in the day. Talk about a testament to time wasted :) (no, leisure is not a waste. it's good for the soul.)

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    23. Re:Pathetic by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
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    24. Re:Pathetic by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      > Why's this pathetic? Is being a PGA instructor pathetic?

      Actually, yes it is. :-)

      jfs

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    25. Re:Pathetic by Jonboy+X · · Score: 1

      We have those here in the US too. They're called "nerds".

      They spend extraordinary effort to get straight A's throughout high school and undergrad in the hopes that someone will pay good money for them later. Sadly, they often get hooked on the intense rush of grade-grubbing and end up spending the next 10 years of their life wildly chasing the next big enlightenment high.

      I've seen it happen. It ain't pretty.

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    26. Re:Pathetic by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 1

      Not that I would advocate spending money this way, but what is the difference between this and the people who buy equipment/characters/accounts for Diablo/Guild Wars/WoW type games on EBay or such like? I would think that this community would be more supportive of people paying to learn the skills to play the game through rather than buying a pre-built account online for 100's of bucks. (I just did a quick check on EBay and a Lvl 60 Rogue is going for $560).


      Or is it just the thought of giving an 8 year old $25/hour to teach you anything that pisses people off so much?


      Personally I'd rather buy a bunch of good beer, get drunk and have my ass kicked in a game for an hour than bust the cash on in-game items



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    27. Re:Pathetic by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Video games take up a lot less space.

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    28. Re:Pathetic by StarfishOne · · Score: 1

      Just imagine degrees like:

      Master of DeathMatch
      Master of MMPORG
      Master of Adventures
      Master of InstaGib
      Master of Capture the Flag Strategy
      Perhaps a Phd. in Wargames?

      Yeah, one of these degrees would certainly spice up* your resume :-D

      * Master of Harvester Management? ;)

    29. Re:Pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, because the US is seriously short of land isn't it... Give me a break.

    30. Re:Pathetic by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      "Not if you have a groundhog digging up your yard and you can't seem to chase it off."

      Weren't you the groundskeeper in Caddyshack? Watch out for those Baby Ruths.

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    31. Re:Pathetic by Ced_Ex · · Score: 1

      No, but unless you're a pro looking to improve your game to make more money, hiring one is.

      Has the thought ever occur to you that some people have way too much money?

      I've seen people put $100 bets on each hand of Rock Paper Scissors without much second thought.

      For normal people it would be like betting a penny.

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    32. Re:Pathetic by Ced_Ex · · Score: 1

      So it's mostly just like college, then.

      Yup.. just like my forced elective... "Lexicography".

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    33. Re:Pathetic by Kouroth · · Score: 1

      Assuming Americans don't mind most of their land being developed. Then no, there is plenty of land. Who needs wilderness anyhow? (Yea; off topic.)

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    34. Re:Pathetic by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yes, as a side note there is currently a battle going on in the bay area to set aside (or not set aside) land. Proponents want to preserve literally half the land in the area, protecting it from development. The proposal's detractors are talking mad, ignorant shit like "how much undeveloped land do we need anyway?" This is an incredibly stupid question; we need a lot. Our wild spaces are being destroyed and it will be to the detriment of us all when they are gone.

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    35. Re:Pathetic by Psychotext · · Score: 1

      Thing is though, when people do things like that, it's more often than not to protect the values of their property (and make it go up in some cases). No-one wants the next big housing development in their back yard. Screw the poor bastages that can't buy houses near where they work because of prices due to shortages.

      This is more an issue in the UK though. Sad thing is we already have land that you can't develop, hard to develop, normal and then you have sites you pretty much get paid to develop (ex-industrial). Don't get me wrong, I'm right behind protecting certain land, to the point of protesting it. But lets not make people out to be heros when the likelyhood is it's just greed talking as usual.

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  4. community-based and bot-based help by WinEveryGame · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While 1-1 coaching will always have its place, there is more and more help getting available to on-line gamers in form of communities (gaming help websites) and some automated tools. If you are looking at making this your profession watch out for these help options as your competitors!

    1. Re:community-based and bot-based help by andrewman327 · · Score: 1

      I have always been a big fan or forums (fora?) as I imagine most /.ers also are. When I am playing just about any game ever made, I have been able to find help online. I fail to see what these coaches do that a player's friends cannot. Oh wait... friends?

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    2. Re:community-based and bot-based help by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      This made me ponder how I aquired my own (moderate, granted) gaming skills, and I did realize that a degree of mentoring did have a roll. I remember the Total Annihilation strat forums rather well (and the odd philosophical conversations...), and the UT forums also helped. When it came to console FPS games, the learning curve more involved getting myself killed 8000 times in Halo DMs (to my freinds amusement) before mastering those nasty little controller things.

      It seems that in gaming, (good) players are always willing to help out a newb, if for no other reason than to ramp up the challenge for themselves.

      In WoW, I had no problem learning the ropes, if your on the right servers people on that game are frighteningly helpful.

      But all this only serves to underline a point, "why bother?" Seems like a collosal waste of funds to me, none of the true hardcore gamers I know went to "game school" or such, its called practice, learned strategy, and quick reflexes, all but the later are available for free, with the added bonus that your skills will be more flexible than someone who paid an 8 year old for the facimile of such.

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    3. Re:community-based and bot-based help by nude-fox · · Score: 1

      yah dude regarding RTS games forums are great for getting ideas from and sharing your own and people in all games are willing to usually give you littel tricks

  5. Why? by HugePedlar · · Score: 1

    So many odd things about this article, including the kid's name: "Victor De Leon III". Sounds like a mafia boss. Wonder if he's allowed to play GTA?

    What gets me is why anyone would want to pay? It's like paying someone to eat chocolate for you.

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    1. Re:Why? by Volante3192 · · Score: 1

      People pay trainers for physically involved sports (like tennis, golf and bowling...)

      Guess it's a sign of maturity for video games that now rich nutjobs decide they can buy their way to the top since they don't "have the time" to really practice (plus they're getting annoyed that 8 year olds can beat them). And it's not like your Halo character can be PL'd...

    2. Re:Why? by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      It's not just rich nutjobs trying to buy their way to the top who hire a couch. Plenty of people in this world who know they are never ever going to be a professional golfer, will buy a lesson or two off a local golf pro. Why? So that they become a little better, and can play a little more evenly with a group of friends that they go out with regularly. I wouldn't do it, but I can imagine someone might buy a computer game lesson or two somewhere so they could be a little more competitive with their group of friends when they get togeather for LAN parties, etc.

    3. Re:Why? by Reapy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Seriously. I used this technique when I first jumpped into jedi outcast online (1.2 patch). I was losing left and right and had no clue. I speced the guy who was number one for a long while. He was running up to people and kicking them, then doing a heavy overhead swing on their prone bodies. It was working pretty well.

      I started doing it. I noticed immediate results. I kept doing it until I got proficient at the technique. I later learned a whole bunch of varients on it through expriemntation, but always had that same trick there to use in a pinch.

      That's how you get good at games, find a way to "win" (in my case kill), get good at it, then learn another way to win. Then another. Until you have a huge bag of winning tricks to pull out against someone else.

      Pretty soon the game will come down to who runs out of tricks first, and who can execute them better, or more creativly. That is about when most online games are the most fun to play.

      Very simple concept, just takes a little bit of time to get there.

    4. Re:Why? by PFI_Optix · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Very simple concept, just takes a little bit of time to get there.


      It's also rewarding.

      I don't know why I should be at all surprised that people are spending money on getting better at games. The solution to everything these days is to throw money at it; that's why I quit playing CCGs like Magic: The Gathering a decade ago...I wasn't able to spend the thousands of dollars required to even have hope of competing in the tournaments.

      I suppose we're just forgetting the joy of doing things for ourselves. Our society has come to care only about the end result. Pay someone else to do all the hard work, then take credit for what they did. Landscaping companies and interior designers are a good example of it in the real world: I don't see where someone can take a great deal of pride in their home when they had nothing to do with its appearance except writing checks.
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    5. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      That's how you get good at games, find a way to "win" (in my case kill), get good at it, then learn another way to win. Then another. Until you have a huge bag of winning tricks to pull out against someone else.

      Very simple concept, just takes a little bit of time to get there.

      That's exactly the point of this service. Except that someone else has already spent hours working out the best techniques. So people who lack the time or inclination to spend all those hours getting to the point where they will really enjoy the game pay someone to teach them. It isn't that different from reading a walkthru or tips/tricks/strategy guide; just more personal, probably more detailed, and of course more expensive.
    6. Re:Why? by bcattwoo · · Score: 1
      Why does anyone need to hire a coach for video games? If yo want to get better--here's a novel thought--find where the good players go, and go there, too. It will either force you to get better or give up because you lack any natural aptitude for the game.

      I believe the thinking would be:

      But that takes time and effort. I want to be better RIGHT NOW! (and I don't mind paying for it)

    7. Re:Why? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh please. How is this different than:

      1) Coaches in every sport imaginable
      2) Exercise consultants in the gym of your choice
      3) Music teachers

      I mean, to learn piano, all you need is to buy a piano and then just plunk away at it until you're playing Chopin, right?

    8. Re:Why? by ericlondaits · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How? Easy... ... those skills you mentioned are usually for life, while coaching for a specific video game lasts at most a couple of years.

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    9. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like paying someone to eat chocolate for you.

      Maybe it's more like paying someone to teach you the best way to fully enjoy your chocolate?

    10. Re:Why? by petro_K · · Score: 1

      This just in: Americans have too much $ AND too much time on their hands. I couldn't help but notice the echos of mafia extortion. pay us our get pwned by our 1337 guild... I fear these little thumbbreakers will have me paying "lesson fees" (protection money) our they will camp my corpse for days.

    11. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what if you didn't know how to eat chocolate. you'd keep missing your mouth ?

      I guess for a small price you can quickly bring you up to speed on the do's and dont's of a game. I would imagine some parents may see this a chance to be able to join in with the games their kids are playing.

    12. Re:Why? by rob1980 · · Score: 1

      Concepts like knowing when to pick your fights or exploiting a weakness in your opponent's strategy aren't necessarily exclusive to a particular game. As long as you're being taught that as opposed to where a certain weapon is on a certain map in a certain game, you can learn stuff that'll be useful for more than just a couple of years.

    13. Re:Why? by ericlondaits · · Score: 1

      To some extent that's true... but there's a limit at how useful Asteroids and Donkey Kong experience is in today FPSs and MMORPGs. Computer Games will probably be a whole different thing ten years from now.

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    14. Re:Why? by PFI_Optix · · Score: 1
      Oh please. How is this different than:

      1) Coaches in every sport imaginable
      2) Exercise consultants in the gym of your choice
      3) Music teachers

      I mean, to learn piano, all you need is to buy a piano and then just plunk away at it until you're playing Chopin, right?


      1) What do sports coaches teach? The rules of the game (because real-life sports rarely come with manuals and tutorials included), how to not get yourself physically hurt (stretching, properly exercises, proper technique in executing the physical component of the game), and the strategies of the sport. Only the last part can be "taught" as video games are concerned, and in truth the best strategies cannot be taught, but they can be learned.

      2) Exercise consultants (aka trainers) in gyms have two roles: first, to make sure you don't hurt yourself, and second to teach you how to exercise efficiently. You don't normally need a trainer for years to get you from a fat slob to a fit individual, you need them for a few months to teach you the right way to do it so that once you're on your own, you get the most of your workout. In other words, the trainer shows you how to get you where you're going; a game coach is (imo) more akin to using steroids than using a trainer.

      Now, I'm fully aware that some people do use trainers for years. This is for moral/psychological support, so that they can have someone there to tell them that yes they *can* do it when they think they can't. If you need someone to do that for you in video games, maybe you should be finding a new hobby. They shouldn't be work.

      3) Music is a very difficult thing to "just learn". People spend decades in schools learning it; to even suggest that there might be any comparison between teaching music and teaching video games is an insult to musicians everywhere.
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    15. Re:Why? by PFI_Optix · · Score: 1

      Those concepts also aren't easily taught. For me to make an assessment of your strategic weaknesses, I have to understand my own strategies and adjust them to fit the situation. I understand my own strategies because they are my own; born entirely of my own playing experiences and observation of other players in the game, not any structured teaching.

      How do you teach a person to anticipate what their opponent will do? How do you teach them how to tell the difference between a player running away from a fight, and a player backing off to find a flanking position? When I play a FPS, my strength is in quickly being able to learn a person's way of thinking and recognize patterns in their play.

      I've "taught" a few people to play games. I did that by bringing them into LAN parties and getting them to play until they learned to hold their own, or gave up. Those who want to learn, will.

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  6. Too bad it's just shooters by Robotech_Master · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's really quite interesting. Too bad they only offer classes for first-person-shooter games. I've gotten good enough at City of Heroes/Villains that I could probably earn out some great rates giving hourly instruction in that game. I wonder if there are any other sites where a game guru could offer their teaching skills for hire. (It would certainly be a better value for the money than those "pay-for-PL" sites.)

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    1. Re:Too bad it's just shooters by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Dude, CoH/CoV aren't exactly the kind of game where a person needs more than about an hour of coaching even if they're brand spanking new. The idea of a coach for a twitch game sounds pretty normal to me though. Lots of sports are about high speed precision movements (like fencing), and people have no qualms about hiring coaches to help them get better at that.

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    2. Re:Too bad it's just shooters by Robotech_Master · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, City of Heroes/Villains is exactly the kind of game where you really need expert assistance in a lot of ways, due to Cryptic's annoying habit of not documenting anything (and not being accurate half the time in what they do document). There are all kinds of little "gotchas" in character building that can trip you up, powers that look decent in the in-game interface but those "in the know" avoid like the plague, advanced methods of gameplay that can only be learned through hard knocks or through scouring the community boards for hidden knowledge. And then there's PVP, which is a whole different game from PVE.

      Believe me, someone who doesn't have time to scour the community boards or rummage through guides could be well-served by hiring a tutor. There's certainly a lot more to teach about a game that complex than just strafing and shooting techniques.

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    3. Re:Too bad it's just shooters by GeckoX · · Score: 1

      That's not a job for a trainer, that's a job for a FAQ.

      What you're suggesting is more like paying someone to do your homework for you, but it is not the same as training one how to do something.

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    4. Re:Too bad it's just shooters by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Coach: Thank you for hiring "l33t ski11z Game Coaches". I understand you need help with Battlefield?

      Cust: Yes

      Coach: Ok, work your way to where the enemy spawn point is. Camp there and kill anyone who appears before they can orient themselves. Thank you for hiring "l33t ski11z Game Coaches".

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  7. Cortana? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully this Cortana can escape Lil Poison's "Halo" before it implodes....

    1. Re:Cortana? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, i modded this down... and for the meta-moderators: it is a crude sexual reference. with any luck this post will be modded down too.

    2. Re:Cortana? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      aw, crap, forgot that posting AC still removes the mod

  8. Training Fee Schedule by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny

    • £50/Hr: Rule MMORPGs with an Iron Fist.
    • £30/Hr: Winning strategies for Halo 2 and most other Console games.
    • £5/Hr: Finally beat Pac Man, Asteroids or Galaxians.
    • £1/Hr: Oaths, Obscenitites, Epithets and throwing things and the screen.
    • Staring dumbly as you die in an utterly futile gesture is always Free.
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    1. Re:Training Fee Schedule by Donniedarkness · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one here who has more trouble with Pac-Man than the rest of those games?

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    2. Re:Training Fee Schedule by Alexandra+Erenhart · · Score: 1

      *slowly raises hand*

      I have no problems on lvling a char till max or shoot a player or two. But those ghosts always got me one way or another.

    3. Re:Training Fee Schedule by theskipper · · Score: 2, Funny
      • Priceless/Hr: Endure listening to gamer blame performance on ping
  9. Wow. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd laugh at how huge a waste of life this is, were I not actually guilty of calling a Nintendo "game counselor" once during my childhood. Still, this would have been my dream job at that age, and a friend of mine in 8th grade actually made a few dollars selling VHS videos of him beating whatever NES game in his collection the customer wanted to see. Screw selling lemonade or delivering newspapers...

    1. Re:Wow. by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      I actually called Sir-Tech software for help with Wizardy I or II when I was a kid. Another kid actually answered the phone (for free!) and helped me out. I swear it felt like I was talking to the owner's son.

      By the way, when you think of how many hours you'd have to play to become good enough at a game so that you can sell your knowledge it probably works out to less than you'd make bagging groceries.

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    2. Re:Wow. by mehu · · Score: 1
      By the way, when you think of how many hours you'd have to play to become good enough at a game so that you can sell your knowledge it probably works out to less than you'd make bagging groceries.
      Not necessarily. Once you've played enough (call that your "training period"), you're good enough to keep coaching people thereafter. Assuming you can charge more per hour than you'd get bagging groceries (which, given such jobs are probably minimum wage, is pretty likely), after a certain number of hours of work you'll pass the point at which it would've been more profitable "per hour" to bag groceries.

      As a ridiculously simplified example, say you'd make $5 an hour bagging groceries, and $20/hr training in games. Now say it takes you 100 hours of play before you're good enough to start charging. True, if you were only able to get 1 hour's pay after that, then your net earnings would be $20 for 101 hours of "work", whereas the same amount of time spent would've gotten $505 bagging groceries. So, your earnings (y) for bagging groceries per hour (x) is y = 5x, whereas for gaming it's y = 20x - 2000 (subtracting $20/h * 100 hours of training shifts the graph to the right). The break even point, at which you'd have earned the same amount working either job, is at 133.33 hours. Anything after that and the gaming thing is MUCH more profitable. Also, consider that you can earn more the longer you've been playing- charge $20/hr after you've played 100 hours, and then after you've played for 500 or 1000 hours (certainly easy to do in an online game), raise your hourly rates even higher, since now you're more experienced.

      Plop the actual numbers into any graphing app & see where the lines cross to find out practical values- point is, in the long run, assuming you can actually get people to pay you for the higher-paying job, it'll pay off a lot more in the long run. And considering most people who'd consider a job like this have either already been playing that long, or would be doing so anyway, so they wouldn't consider the "training period" as if it were hours & hours of "unpaid work"- it's something they would've been doing anyway.
  10. well now by Rabbitgod · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that some 30 to 40 year olds that have to much money but not enough youth are just tring to get it to this new thingy called video games. It's not the idea that they want to have fun that bothers me it's the idea that people that can't read and instruction booklet or stratagy guide have that much disposable income.

    1. Re:well now by dan+dan+the+dna+man · · Score: 1

      Those of us in our 30's or 40's were around to remember when videogaming was invented.

      Kids these days!

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    2. Re:well now by AirP · · Score: 1

      Yeah, how dare people pay money to learn to play their hobbies better... Much like golf, tennis, knitting, painting or whatever else floats your boat. This disposable income that you talk about is no more then what alot of people who pay in gas for a week(35-70) or the cost of a week of daycare for their child(110-130).

      Does it really matter what you spend your money on as long as you're enjoying it and it isn't harming you or others? Some people just enjoy playing video games more then watching the same rehashed TV shows. I've never taken lessons but I sure wouldn't belittle someone that did.

    3. Re:well now by Fusen · · Score: 1

      Awwww you are ruining the video game bashing :( People on /. bashing others for playing video games... haha it's so ironic

  11. This was happening way back in Starcraft days by Astarica · · Score: 2, Informative

    Top Starcraft players would offer lessons either on a hourly level or a per game level at some ludricous rate too. Of course, given the free flow of information of the Net, you'll find that none of these experts actually had any secret worth paying for because if they did, everyone would've known about it already. Although the secret to being good at games and almost anything else in general is just talent + practice, people are quite willing to pretend this isn't the case and if you just get 'the secret from the experts', you too can be a world class Starcraft or Halo 2 player even if you possess neither the talent nor the endurance to learn the game.

    1. Re:This was happening way back in Starcraft days by bobocopy · · Score: 1

      It's the diet craze in video game format. I have a feeling that if you need to pay someone to teach you how to play video games, you probably have neither the patience nor the skill required to be good at video games. As long as there's people buyin', though, there'll be people sellin'.

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    2. Re:This was happening way back in Starcraft days by DarkGreenNight · · Score: 1

      Well, first we can say that knowledge is not all. I can know all the moves, the rights and wrongs, but practice is what makes perfect. But playing with your friends can get you up to a nice level, but to get really good you have to play with the best.

      This relates to my experience with gaming tournaments, Tekken 3 in fact. Before my first tournament I had played a lot with friends, and I was relatively good. Not the best of the loot but the second or third of them. We knew the moves, we knew some tricks, we were naive.

      Then came a tournament and we went there. We were obliterated. The only one that went throught to the second day was me, and only because I knew how to play Eddy Gordo without mashing the buttons and the people didn't expect that. The second day I lasted seconds.

      After that we really knew how it was meant to be played, and had some meetings with the best players of the region, we grew better. And all these because we were playing against better people. Now a friend who went more with those players can win easily against me, and we both have to relax playing with the rest of our friends. You can't have it all ;)

  12. NO KIDDING! by liak12345 · · Score: 4, Funny
    8-year-old New Yorker Victor De Leon III
    His father, also named Victor
    Thank you for pointing out that the father of a person named Victor the Third is also named Victor. I would have missed that completely.
    1. Re:No kidding! by butterwise · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily. He could be named for his grandfather and also be a II or III while his father is something else entirely.

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    2. Re:No kidding! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Generally not so. For the most part, (unless using systems employed by the Church or English Royalty) the suffixing restarts with a break in the line. So, you can go sr, jr, I, II, break, then Sr, Jr again and so on. At least for us common folks.

    3. Re:No kidding! by dim5 · · Score: 1
      You would think so, seeing that his son is named Victor de Leon III!


      My co-worker has always regretted having a boring name. He considered naming his son "Snake Eyes, Jr." to make up for that which is out of his control. If you can't have an awesome legacy, at least you can imply one.
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    4. Re:No kidding! by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      No, you would not. I have a friend named Fname Mname Lname II. Why not Jr.? Because he's just the 2nd Lname with that first name and middle name. To be a Third, there just have to be two other ancestors beneath you in the family tree with he same name. You don't have to have the same name as your father.

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    5. Re:NO KIDDING! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      8-year-old New Yorker Victor De Leon III

              His father, also named Victor

      I wonder... is Victor De Leon III's granddad also also Vic?
      Just checking ;-)

    6. Re:NO KIDDING! by bbsguru · · Score: 1

      Gee, I thought his name was Junior...

    7. Re:NO KIDDING! by Alsee · · Score: 1
      Yeah, but what they didn't tell you is that the father's name is Victor De Leon IV.

      ::Cue twilight zone theme::

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    8. Re:NO KIDDING! by Deltaspectre · · Score: 1

      It was an accident involving time travel and contraceptives! I swear!

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    9. Re:NO KIDDING! by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Well, the current Pope is Benedict XVI - but neither his dad nor his predecessor was named Benedict XV.

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  13. Why? by PFI_Optix · · Score: 1

    Why does anyone need to hire a coach for video games? If yo want to get better--here's a novel thought--find where the good players go, and go there, too. It will either force you to get better or give up because you lack any natural aptitude for the game.

    Example: A lot of RTS games now have replay features. Want to get better? Every time you get stomped, watch the replay and see what the other guy did. Try to emulate it in sandbox or skirmish mode. After a few dozen replays you'll be playing like a competent player.

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  14. Oh, Pur-Leeze! by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that is the gheyest thing I've ever heard. Paying a kid $25 to get good at Halo is pathetic to say the least.

    For the past two decades the second highest market behind selling the games themselves has been the selling of magazines with cheatcodes, screens, etc. All of which may not actually make you a better player. Having someone to actually point out the things you do which are wrong and better ways to achieve results is nothing less than Big Business spends tonnes of money on every year, so why not avid gamers? Just because it doesn't work for you, don't dis everyone else.

    One method I learned, years ago, was to play games at their hardest levels or accept the highest degree of difficulty missions. I'd get slaughtered, but at that pace I picked up better sends of timing, anticipation and reaction. Then returned to the easier levels/missions and I learned enough from them to actually beat/complete all levels/missions.

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  15. Counter-Strike by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think "Kicked by console" must be some sort of certification or something, because I'm pretty good at CS and I get that all the time when I play and do well. Also people call me a "wallhack" and "aimbot", I don't know exactly what this means but I figure it's analogous to the title "Doctor" IRL.

  16. Two things... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. RTFA. It's not just FPS-es. They specifically mention Super Smash Brothers Melee.
    2. "I wonder if there are any other sites where a game guru could offer their teaching skills for hire." Answer: yes, if you start a website that does that.

  17. Internet by another_fanboy · · Score: 1

    Rather than paying $25 an hour, why not use gamefaqs or other related sites? If nothing else, its more convenient to print off a walkthrough and have it handy for when it is needed.

    1. Re:Internet by eggsurplus · · Score: 1

      Using the golf analogy again you could tell a golfer to just buy a copy of Golf Digest instead of paying for lessons for a pro. However, 1 on 1 instruction is vastly superior in many areas such as in providing feedback that is hard to receive when trying to teach yourself. Also, a personal instructor can tailor sessions specifically to your needs. So if you want to improve your sniping ability (or your short game in golf) an instructor can tell you what and how to use certain tools and the environment to your benefit.

    2. Re:Internet by Astarica · · Score: 1

      The difference here is that while an instructor certainly can help you improve your short game, how does a game tutor help you snipe better? How does a game tutor help you memorize the map better? React faster? Many of the skills required in a game is simply natural and augmented by training without the assistance of anyone else. Now you can receive meaningful if your tutor notice you always go for weapon X first but it's better to get weapon Y first. Those kind of thing will be analogous to a golf instructor, but I've a feeling most gaming tutors are just trying to sell you things that are either innate or acquired only through repetition.

    3. Re:Internet by bcattwoo · · Score: 1

      They must have enough money that they feel paying $25+/hr to have someone spoonfeed them the strategies is a better overall use of their time than scrounging around for the tips themselves. That and sometimes there is just no substitute for having someone actually show you how to do something and there to offer you immediate feedback on how to improve.

    4. Re:Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and reading about how to play sports instead of practicing with teammates under supervision of a far more experienced coach is the way to win a championship.

      Playing single player you're right. This would be entirely pointless and anyone that spends money on it should be shot on the spot for their extreme case of incurable stupid. But playing against humans is different. During one particular CPL event I had Fatal1ty and Rix crash at my place for practice with each other. I joined in and spent time being slaughtered horribly, but some time against Fatal1ty with Rix over my shoulder pointing out my awful habits in one-on-one helped my game considerably.

      I personally wouldn't pay for it, and I was still no match for a pro, but I can see the value such a service would offer. I was able to compete a lot better with folks closer to my level after that.

  18. I hired a game coach. by bermabloeme · · Score: 4, Funny
    And he put me on a special diet for gaming that's guaranteed to make me a champ! It goes like this:

    Jolt Cola, Mountain Dew, Coffee.

    Hamburgers, Tacos, Pizza - lot's of pepperoni and sausage - need that protein!

    Skittles, Gummi Bears, etc... - sugars for the brain.

    Cross training across platforms: alternating days of: PS/2, PCGames, Nintendo, etc...

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    1. Re:I hired a game coach. by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      What, you didn't have to shop for condoms? Oh right...

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    2. Re:I hired a game coach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And he put me on a special diet for gaming that's guaranteed to make me a champ!

      guaranteed to make you a fat ass is more like it

  19. No kidding! by the+dark+hero · · Score: 0, Redundant
    His father, also named Victor, says his son has used some of the money he earns from lessons (hourly rate: $25) to buy a hamster, named Cortana after a character in the game.'"

    You would think so, seeing that his son is named Victor de Leon III!

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  20. How much things change in a day. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

    Yesterday we had an article about fighting game addiction. Today we have an article about guys who are essentially paid to encourage more gaming.

    1. Re:How much things change in a day. by rf0 · · Score: 1

      Its like government advice, one week we eat to much salt, the next week we aren't eeating enough. At the end of the day if someone can afford to pay for this sort of things, not go hungry and enjoy themselves who are we to pass judgement

  21. One thing's for sure... by mypalmike · · Score: 2, Funny

    The people who are paying for these lessons are getting schooled.

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  22. The minute gaming is this important in my life.... by dremspider · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is the minute I quit. I have a rule when playing video games. As soon as I am frustrated, I put the mouse/controller down and go do something else. I used to play UT a lot and would find that I started to get frustrated when I died and flip out at the computer. I still play UT, but not quite as much and I find that I have a lot more fun in doing so. Games are meant to be FUN, not a chore. I refuse to ever "practice" in a video game, I just play it and have fun, if I get better as a side effect, oh well.

  23. Mercenaries by Pacifist+Brawler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have a wonderful idea. Instead of hiring someone to try to make you a good player, you can hire me and I'll play for you as an excellent player! You specify game, weapon of choice, handle and taunts and I'll supply the a**-kicking.

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  24. Hear that? Jack Thompson just came in his pants. by antime · · Score: 4, Funny

    Doesn't anyone find it a little odd that an eight-year-old is making money playing an M-rated game?

  25. I, for one by blueZ3 · · Score: 0

    welcome our new diaper-wearing game coach overlords

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  26. You don't need this for online shooters. by dwalsh · · Score: 1
    Why would you pay for a coach when you get so much free advice, such as:
    "Stop being a ghey camper!"
    "Don't block me n00b!"
    "<name of weapon> is for <beginners | homosexuals | other sexual categorizations>!"
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    1. Re:You don't need this for online shooters. by nude-fox · · Score: 1

      because the coach can consilidate those points for you instead of the hours of gaming it would take to get all those different types of flames

  27. Re:Hear that? Jack Thompson just came in his pants by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

    My parents knew I could handle certain violent movies at that age, so apparently his parents feel the same of him. That's as it should be, with parents informed about the content who know their own child making educated choices.

    That said, imagine the uproar had Halo been M-rated for boobs instead of violence! Gasp! Shock! Horror!

  28. Re:Hear that? Jack Thompson just came in his pants by hansamurai · · Score: 1

    Just like all those child actors acting in R rated movies?

  29. Money has all the easy answers: by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 1

    why else would people pay for in-game money in MMOG's? Or for power-leveling, or for characters already at level 60? Don't enjoy life too much? Buy an expensive car or house, have the best stereo system and 64" LCD TV, make your kids go to Harvard, etc etc etc.

    Its sad, but so many people believe it actually makes them happy. More of a vicious cycle I say.

    1. Re:Money has all the easy answers: by Astarica · · Score: 1
      The difference is that most of these stuff described has some tangible benefit. If I pay someone to PL my character I end up with a more powerful character. But let's say I suck at aiming in FPS. How does paying for a tutor help me aim better? Is he going to show me a secret mouse technique only the experts know that improves your accuracy by 100%?

      People place values on all kinds of things and I don't presume to judge them. But in the case of gaming tutor, it is not clear to me there is any value to be obtained at all.

    2. Re:Money has all the easy answers: by Sage+Gaspar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've seen a lot of "tutorials" out there for FPS and usually it's just a clan guy crapping out pages and pages of text on elementary game functions. Oh, and a couple quotes from the Art of War sprinkled in for good measure, in case you want to wax philosophical while you're planting the bomb.

      There are some useful items like basic tactics and positioning, wonky things that are particular to the game physics engine, scripts, etc, but mostly you can pick those up from a couple days of play and visiting a few websites.

  30. Nothing new by Sutek · · Score: 1

    People have been paying for tutors in games like Chess or Go for centuries. Sure you can get to a certain level just by playing, but sometimes you need someone else to show you a new viewpoint.

    At least getting better at mentally challenging games may have some redeeming value outside of the particular game...

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    And so it goes, -seth
  31. Gamefaqs & playtime by ShadowsHawk · · Score: 1

    Between a faq and spending an hour or two, you should be able to be competent in just about any game. I'd put this on the same level as a pet rock(tm).

    1. Re:Gamefaqs & playtime by DarkGreenNight · · Score: 1

      Between a book and spending a year or two, you should be able to be competent in just about any martial art. I'd put this on the same level as a pet rock(tm).

      Still untrue. You get better interacting with the best. You get better with someone who knows pointing your flaws. You get better with the knowledge were you suck and where you excel. Be it either gaming, music or sport.

      The longer the games are expected to last the more we'll see of this movement. Just wait and see.

  32. Talk about spectrums! by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

    One day we have stories of rehab clinics for game depenencies, the next day we have articles about professional gaming coaches!

    I think people are just confused about what to do with the enthusiams games generate.

  33. But will the hamster live long enough... by dg13 · · Score: 1

    to go rogue when Victor De Leon III turns 15?

    1. Re:But will the hamster live long enough... by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      AhhH! You're spoiling it for those of us who don't know what happens yet! (I have yet to pickup Halo 2). -b

  34. Legal? by onthefenceman · · Score: 1

    I wonder if these kids are abiding by state labor laws. Many states limit employment for minors by time of day and hours/week. How many hours a week do these kids need to PLAY the games to be good enough to teach others to do so? Also, if they are earning more than $400 a year they are required to file with the IRS.

    Regardless, allowing children to be employed this way seems short-sighted on the part of parents. Service jobs at least teach kids to deal with people they may not like. Employment of this sort offers no benefit to the child other than easy cash & the delusion that video games are something other than a passtime.

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    1. Re:Legal? by another_fanboy · · Score: 1
      video games are something other than a passtime

      After repeating the same techniques to countless clients, you'd most likely become bored with the game. It's great having a job you enjoy, but having a passtime as a carreer will ultimately lead to a dislike of it.

    2. Re:Legal? by VorpalEdge · · Score: 1

      Would something done online be under the jurisdiction of the state to begin with?

    3. Re:Legal? by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      Bah... This kid's happy because he was able to buy himself a pet hamster with his coaching job. Do you think those sell for upwards of $400? I think the truth is, they might be billing at rates of $25/hr. or even $65/hr. but they've only found clients willing to pay for a couple hours of time, total.

      As a parent myself, I would have no problem with my kid doing something like this. Charging an hourly fee for coaching someone teaches quite a few useful skills. They learn that they have to keep a customer happy/satisfied in order to retain their business. They practice their skills in customer relations. It encourages them to try to earn money doing something they enjoy. All good things.

      As for video games being "only a passtime", that depends. Sports are just a passtime for most people, yet those who are best at playing them can earn millions a year making a career out of them. If I had a kid who thought he/she was really good enough at video games to try making money from it, I sure wouldn't discourage them! They'll either "beat the odds" and succeed, or more likely, tire of it after a while or redirect their interest in a more financially useful way. (Maybe they'll get interested in software development and write games for a living?)

    4. Re:Legal? by romanhokie · · Score: 1

      Service jobs for an 8 year old? Sheesh.

      However, let's not forget self-employement taxes and self-incorporation. Kid's gotta pay his part of the Medicare and Social Security so the rest of us have money to retire on... And also, I'd hate to have him audited and hauled off to the Big House for non-payment of taxes.

      Although... his purchase of games may be a tax-deduction... He could charge $25/hr to 'coach', but there's practice time, learning new games, upgrading his hardware...

      I'm definitely seeing business opportunity, if done right!

  35. Re: Good name for a game teacher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's the thing, if you're going to hire a game coach, it's reassuring when your coach's name is VICTOR.

  36. Skillz by wiseguy02 · · Score: 1

    I think this is piontless. Most games require skills. If you need a coach you obviously do not have the skills needed to play the game. The rest of the game is strategy which can either be learned by playing, getting a manual, or listening to other people who have played (that don't charge you for the info). IMHO

  37. Hurm... by EinZweiDrei · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Though I'd really like to condemn paying for video-game lessons as modern-day insanity, I'd probably just as soon turn around and be accepting of someone paying money for lessons from a chess coach. And though I'd like to think of chess as a much more noble cause for tutoring than Counter-Strike [It is.], I can't help but cringe at my double standard a little while doing so.

    But, ah, this is ridiculous, in its own right.

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  38. This begs the question... by Infonaut · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean, to learn piano, all you need is to buy a piano and then just plunk away at it until you're playing Chopin, right?

    You seem to be implying that learning to play a video game well is equal in difficulty to learning to become a skilled pianist. For that matter, do you think that becoming a skilled basketball player or swimmer is no more difficult than becoming skilled at Halo 2?

    I don't think all activities are equal in difficulty, particularly given that video games are created specifically to be playable. The piano wasn't created to be easy to learn. Video games are.

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    1. Re:This begs the question... by Smauler · · Score: 1

      You seem to be implying that learning to play a video game well is equal in difficulty to learning to become a skilled pianist.

      I would be hard pressed to tell the difference between a very good pianist and a great pianist. However, I could easily tell the difference between a very good CS or Q3 player and a great one. If you think it's easy getting good at games, you really don't understand the hours that people put in to them.

      For that matter, do you think that becoming a skilled basketball player or swimmer is no more difficult than becoming skilled at Halo 2?

      Basketball is far more physical than game playing is, though skill and flair are a large portion of success. Swimming is a different league of physical. You're comparing apples with oranges.

      I don't think all activities are equal in difficulty, particularly given that video games are created specifically to be playable. The piano wasn't created to be easy to learn. Video games are.

      The piano _is_ easy to learn to a basic level - I can even play some tunes on a piano, after about... hrm, let me think.... no work at all. I've spent many many hours on some computer games I'll only ever be crap at. I'd wager more people would be able to get something out of a piano after 10 hours practice than they would out of many games. Bear in mind here, people spend inordinate ammounts of time playing games. I, myself, have spent over a month solid playing Guild Wars. I'm still far from great at that, especially in some areas. Anyway, if games weren't tough to play well, there would not be gaming professionals, simple as that.

    2. Re:This begs the question... by scnd · · Score: 1
      Anyway, if games weren't tough to play well, there would not be gaming professionals, simple as that.


      Exactly. Sure, you can pick up a controller and figure out how to play a game in a few minutes, but that doesn't mean you can compete at anywhere near a professional level.

      Lots of people take lessons to become better at their hobbies. It's not just for rich people and it's not cheating. The point of any instruction is to bring the student up to a level where he can continue to become better on his own.

      With enough determination, anyone can become an expert at anything, that's true. But when so many people have a head start and are already better than you, the practice becomes frustrating. Without a professional analyzing your faults it's often hard to know how to get better or discover what you're doing wrong.

      It can't be said that professional instruction doesn't help, either. There have been relatively unknown players who have performed amazingly well and beaten some of the best in MLG after taking these lessons. Obviously, they practiced on their own, but if you don't know what to work on, the practice is meaningless. Also, it's usually hard to get into games with the better players because they're very selective about who they'll play with. Part of the gaming-lessons program is getting the student into games with the pros.
  39. Hamster by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

    He used the money to buy a hamster... So, what, he taught for 1 hour at $25 an hour?

    1. Re:Hamster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hamster was probably $5 tops, but it is the accessories like the plastic ball, treadmill wheel, and multi-level hamster house that cost some money. At least the kid has some interests other than videogames.

    2. Re:Hamster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's pretty cute. I mean, it's a hamster! Cute little fluffballs.

    3. Re:Hamster by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      He used the money to buy a hamster
      There is something rather poignant about that, it reminds you of how young he is and how he shouldn't be wasting his childhood playing video games.
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  40. No different that people who buy gold by everphilski · · Score: 1

    This is no different than the people who buy gold in MMORPG's. If anything it might be more productive. There are always the people who have more money than time and are willing to make up the difference by pulling out the checkbook. Gold in a game doesn't buy - pardon the pun, game, but a few hours with a coach just might.

  41. Games going more mainstream by QuantumFTL · · Score: 1

    I think this is a symptom of games become popular with a lot of individuals who are just getting into gaming, and because many of the newer gaming audiences lack the youth, experience, or built-in reflexes that hardcore gamers have been leveraging to pwn them properly. Just as people pay money to have instructors come to their house and show them how to use their computer, I can imagine a day when grandma calls me in to help her figure out how to play sudoku online, or maybe pwn some n00b who won't keep off the damn lawn.

  42. Wasting money on hamsters by TroopaCabra · · Score: 0

    Victors problem is that he is blowing his money on hamsters. He really should be putting it away in a good IRA. The article provided some good insight into this hamster loving boy of a main character. I hope we get a follow up to see what he buys next. I'm betting he'll flounder it away on Cheeto's and pepsi and eventually start ignoring his homework. Would Victor Sr. allow that? I don't think he cares, as I understand- he owns the copyright for the 'Victor De Leon' name and is getting royalties from his son every time the name is published. I'm not sure if that's true- I think I just made it up- but it could be. Anyways- keep us informed on any hot updates.

  43. Fairly useless by ashman512 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think that the idea of having a coach for gaming is pretty pathetic, not to mention useless. With the internet, and sites like Gamefaqs and IGN, most strategies and tips are all available free. If there are any special "secret" strategies for a game, they can usually be found for free on the internet. Another thing that is I find useless about coaches is that, if you are already good at a game, you aren't going to be needing a whole lot of help. People that already suck probably aren't going to get a whole lot of help by going to these coaches that just practicing isn't going to get them. I highly doubt an 8 year old is going to be able to actually analyze what it is that make him good, and see how he can improve other peoples skills Also, other sports, like tennis and basketball, often have coaches because they are professional sports, and have athletes competing in prestigeous tournaments, and the athletes are looking for any edge they can to get up on the competition. Video games haven't quite gained that amount of attention(and hopefully, IMO, they never do). Yes, there are tournaments for lots of games like SSBM and Halo, but they usually don't get a lot of attention outside of the inner gameing circles. Slightly off-topic, but it goes along with the above paragraph, I doubt that video game tournaments will ever have much success because in my experience, its not very much fun to watch people play video games. How many times has your little brother or sister bugged you for an hour asking if they can play.

  44. Re:Hear that? Jack Thompson just came in his pants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That said, imagine the uproar had Halo been M-rated for boobs instead of violence! Gasp! Shock! Horror!

    I don't think you can rate a game based on the intelligence of the players.

  45. Game counsellors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup, I remember it too. Another interesting thing was that you could *write* to Nintendo Power and get information from them (for free!). I remember having rented Wizardry and wanting to know what the hell the spells did, as well as being curious about the stats required for all the classes (unfortunately, the rental game did *not* come with an instruction book).

    Anyhow, the local rental place liked me so much that *I* ended up being the one called for game hints on occasion (hey, I got a free rental or two out of it!) ... Heck, I still remember random crap about games I've never played, like how you have to press up to go through the window in Golgo 13 ...

    And to the sibling poster, the ice wand is in the light world, north of Lake Hylia, you can get it pretty early on, I think that all you need is the power glove from the 2nd palace. It's the *fire* wand that you have to get from the dungeon north of town in the dark world. It's the main treasure of that dungeon. You also have to use it on that one long root that looks like an insect or something to open the way to the boss of that level.

    Yeah, I probably could've been a game counsellor if I'd wanted to, but I think that everyone uses gamefaqs.com for that stuff these days. I mean, have you *seen* the detail on the FAQs for, say, Final Fantasy III (VI in Japan)? They've gone to the trouble to disassemble the damn game :-)

  46. I'm concerned for that kid by AriaStar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most people who are good enough to even consider coaching have been playing steadily for more years than that kid has been alive. He's eight. How many years can be reasonably have been playing? Three? Maybe four? He was put on the controller at the age of TWO. According to his website, he's been doing this since he was SIX and won a championship at the age of just FIVE. Does this kid have any activities (I'm not buying it if anyone says he actually goes out) aside from video games, or is he being set up for a miserable life of obesity and notknowing how to make friends and connect with people? Good gods, his parents should be ashamed.

    1. Re:I'm concerned for that kid by RealRav · · Score: 1

      as you sit on your ass posting on Slashdot

    2. Re:I'm concerned for that kid by AriaStar · · Score: 1

      I am adult at work taking a couple mini-breaks. Then I go home, go out, have a life. That kid, with his age, should be going to school, which means half the day sitting around, and is following that up with more time sitting around playing games. Pretty much all of his time. No, all of it.

  47. Shouldn't play by muhcashin · · Score: 1

    Playing video games is not rocket science.

  48. One ticket please by SilverJets · · Score: 1

    WTF??

    Yes, now I have seen everything. Time to check out of this big game called life.

  49. Madden Football by zdv · · Score: 1

    There is a company called VG Sports that specializes in training (mostly e-books and newsletters) for the Madden NFL video games. Since the games have quite a learning curve, it always struck me as a promising business model.

    They seem to be doing OK - I guess the next step is the army of consultants?

  50. providing a servcice by nude-fox · · Score: 1

    i dont get how hard this is to understand the tutor is providing a service that the customer asked for in return for payment

    if you dont deem it worth the payment dont take the service