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PS3 Performance Downgraded Again
Heartless Gamer writes "The PS3's performance has been downgraded again, according to the Inquirer." From the article: "We can't tell you why the GPU lost nearly 10% of it's clock, it could be an NVidia screwup, or it could be Sony/Cell. Either way, it just became much less of an overwhelming value, but you get a DRM infected drive for 'free' either way." Interesting, but keep in mind this is The Inquirer. 9 out of 10 doctors recommend salt with their articles. Relatedly, the choice comments from Penny Arcade this past weekend about Sony's console are wandering around the internets today. From that article: "We've already talked about it, there's no chance we're buying a PS3 at launch."
Is it possible that a single day pass without more bad news for Sony? Looks like it is about time to short-sell their stock.
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Given the crap the Inquirer has already talked about PS3, I'd take their article here with a pinch of salt roughly the size of Jupiter.
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maybe this downgrade will affect the PS3 price to make it more competetive compared to Wii and 360?
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The P3 might become a flop of E.T proportions.
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It's the games that matter. Too bad Sony was banking on being the big performer. Well, the decision is sealed, I think. Wii for me.
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"We've already talked about it, there's no chance we're buying a PS3 at launch."
Ouch. That's not good for Sony. You may or may not know who Gabe and Tycho are, but if you do know them, you know they also run PAX. Which is a very large user-centric games show. (Unlike E3).
These guys are hardcore gamers, that's not the kind of comment you want from guys that have this much clout.
I repeat. Ouch.
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directly from the article...
You teh sux0r 2 sae teh PS3 is not going to teh r0x0r! Yew lie, yew 360 luvr. U teh sux! U maek thing up, go die!!!1111one!1!!!1 heheheheh
This is part of a larger Sony initiative. Lower expectations across the board, with all demographics. Once expectations have hit rock bottom, it's easy to exceed them! Imagine if Sony were to drop the price by $50 or increase clock speed by 5%.
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We can't tell you why the GPU lost nearly 10% of it's clock, it could be an NVidia screwup, or it could be Sony/Cell. Have they checked for a rootkit?
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The thing about it is that Sony will downgrade their hardware as often as they want and STILL we will hear trash talk from the Execs and higher-ups about how their hardware is going to outperform and outsell the other consoles. And they'll back up this arrogance by not moving their price point an inch. Sony seems to think that the PS2 success will drive PS3 sales. Most serious video game enthusiasts seem to think otherwise. Sony needs to wake up and start doing some serious damage control after the PAX incident, with Gabe and Tycho endorsing the "Wii60" over the PS3.
Exactly, even if PS3 does poorly, they have huge laptop battery sales to Apple and Dell to make up for it.
now, now... don't you mean... "SUPPLIES!" ?
How about instead of trolling, you try this fun little exercise: find good news about the PS3.
I dare you.
Launch titles don't count.
The only "good news" Google News found about the PS3 was the already-reported story about running Folding@Home on it. Everything else is negative.
Zonk isn't the one portraying the PS3 in a poor light. Sony's doing that all on their own.
Someone said: Looks like it is about time to short-sell their stock
... while all their top execs and engineers are fleeing the company. A wiser choice would be Honda, Toyota (missed the curve on that), or even GM, but buying Ford now is just as nuts as buying Sony is.
To which NineNine said: You go ahead and do that. I'll be buying.
To which myself, a different person who has many investments and who has been investing for 30 years say:
I wouldn't recommend it. I've owned Sony. I've made money off of owning Sony stock. I sold my Sony stock and bought Nintendo a few months back, and quite frankly, I have seen absolutely no reason to change my basic decision. Sony just plain isn't getting it - but Nintendo is. And it's not just the gaming platforms, quite frankly, it's the total corporation.
You probably want to buy Ford
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Lets see what's In the box...
Nothing!
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The first thing I am going to do is to wipe that harddrive and try to tweak a decent linux distro to run on it. Afterall gcc can already compile code for the Cell processor. At first Sony has announced that the PS3 was running linux and now it looks like it'll ship with some limited and DRM crippled version. Whoever manages to come out with a DRM-free and open PS3 Linux will be the new hero.
I still think they should make a game, somewhat like Lego Star Wars, where everything is Peeps, Chocolate Bunnies, and Rubber Duckies.
I can see it now:
Luke Peepstalker: You can't be my father, I'm an edible marshmallow chick!
Darth Ducky: Luke, search inside your soft marshmallow heart, you know that I am your father! Plus, see these nifty red devil horns? I'm a Devil Duckie too!
Luke: Noo!
[Darth chops off Luke's yellow marshmallow hand and eats it. Yum!]
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The problem is that programming games on the Cell is hard. Remember when Sony dropped the Aibo and dropped out of robotics and AI research? That was partially because all the bright people were needed to make the PS3 work. Non-shared memory multiprocessors with modest per-CPU memory are very hard to program. Their history, from the ILLIAC IV to the BBN Butterfly to the Ncube, has not been impressive. Whole new approaches are needed. In time for the game developers to be ready for the Xmas shopping season.
That's the problem. Sony needs a miracle of programming on a very short timetable.
Microsoft, however, does not. The XBox 360 is just a 3-CPU shared memory computer. It's quite conventional.
Progress is being made, but realistically, the games available for the PS3 at launch will probably be doing too much in the main CPU and the Cell processors will be underutilized.
On the hardware front, if Sony is making changes to the hardware spec this late, there's a good chance they will miss the holiday season. It's September already. As of late August, PS3 manufacturing hadn't even started. For the holiday season, merchandise has to be in the stores by November 1. And that's after shipping and warehousing. Realistically, Sony has about six weeks to freeze the product, get manufacturing running, and get product out in volume.
It's probably too late for this year. They might manage a small-volume prelaunch, like Microsoft did last year.
Sony's moneymaker for this holiday season will be the PS2, which, at $129, is going to look very attractive to parents.
PSP's initial specs were upgraded. They started out by only planning to have 8MB of RAM, which was later upgraded to 32MB. Additionally, the 256bit bus in the second graphics core was upgraded to a 512bit bus. Beyond that, in firmware upgrades, PSP now has the ability to run more music and video formats, and now has a web browser with flash support.
The CPU is still 333 MHz as a peak without overclocking. It's designed to run at different speeds in order to optimize battery life. Sony's offical SKU allows it to run at 222 MHz, 266MHz, and 333MHz. At the moment, there's nothing really stopping developers from using 33MHz (in fact in all likelyhood there have been games released running at that speed), other then them wanting to conserve battery life. For instance, many homebrew applications either by default run at 333MHz or have an option to do so to increase performance.
You have to remember something here: this is The Inquirer. (No, I'm not confusing this with the British tabloid The National Enquirer.) Basically all this site does is make shit up in order to increase hits to their site. This is just the latest in a string of false information on that site about the PS3, it's Cell processor, and it's RSX graphics chip.
The average consumer doesn't care about or understand hardware specs. The things that still matter the most will be the games and the price of the console and games. The PS3, despite its high price will still sell out the initial shipment unless something horribly wrong with the console gets past QC. But I think that the biggest benefactor of that sell out will be the PS2. A lot of average consumers will want a PS3, but not being able to find one, they may just opt for the other, much cheaper, Sony console. So this holiday season may well be a very good one for the PS2 and PS2 games. Again, I'm talking about average consumers, not hardcore gamers. Nintendo has a pretty good shot at these people, I'm not so sure about Microsoft yet. But I think Sony will definitely get some of their money, just not as much as they might like.
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Your comment makes no sense. This is precisely what Sony is doing, and it does not involve any insight, but a severe lack thereof. Sony believes that people will pay $600 for a PS3 because it plays Blu-Ray movies and a Blu-Ray player is $1000. They believe this because people spent $300 on a PS2 because it played DVDs and a DVD player was the same price as a PS2, and since a Blu-Ray player actually costs more than a PS3, everyone will buy PS3s, right?
Well, that's their logic anyway. It's amazingly poor logic, unfortunately, because everyone wanted to get a DVD player and move into the new world, but less than 10% of househoulds in the US will even have a HD-capable display by the time the PS3 comes out, so no one gives a fuck about Blu-Ray. DVDs are higher resolution than my primary movie display device, so why should I move up? A full-HD TV that's actually worth buying costs more than I spent on my fucking car, with the registration. I'm not going to, on top of that, spend enough money to buy some slick wheels and tires for it just so I can have a game console that plays a new video format.
At this point, the only console of this generation that I plan to maybe spend full price on is the Wii. By the time it comes out, maybe the Xbox 360 will have come down a bit, and I can buy one of those too, although frankly there aren't any games on it that I care about yet. There's only one game I care about that's PS3 exclusive, and that's whatever version of Gran Turismo comes out for it... and I can wait to play that. I haven't beaten GT4 yet anyway.
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