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The Physics of Superheroes

peterwayner writes "There are few corners of the world that are more closely associated with the word "nerd" than comic books and physics. Despite the large overlap in the fan base, the two disciplines seem doomed to live forever in different corners of our minds. Superheroes don't have to obey the laws of physics and that's probably what makes them so attractive to the poor physicists who labor long and hard in the hope of making those laws work correctly. James Kakalios, a physics professor at the University of Minnesota, has produced a book, "The Physics of Superheroes" (now in paperback). The surprise is that the two don't behave like matter and anti-matter. They don't explode on contact." Read the rest of Peter's review. The Physics of Superheroes author James Kakilios pages 340 publisher Gotham Books rating 9 reviewer Peter Wayner ISBN 1-59240242-9 summary Why superman isn't as far fetched as it may seem.

There's no reason to spoil the book. You'll have to read it if you want to know why Superman can't change history, how Magneto becomes Electro when he runs, and whether Spiderman could really do those amazing things with spider silk. Some of the chapters are devoted to celebrating the accuracy of the comic strips by working through the physical equations. Much of what the comic book writers imagined is actually pretty reasonable. These sections bring new discipline to those old debates over who's stronger, bigger or most capable.

Other sections spell out just how wrong some of the assumptions are. Even when he's deflating the hopes of those kids who wish they could fly like Superman, he uses the disconnection with reality as a chance to riff on some what-if questions. What if Superman came from a planet that had a gravitational field 15 times stronger than earth? Would he be able to leap tall buildings? And then what would happen to a planet that was 15 times denser than earth? Would it fly apart as it rotated? Could you build one by just making a bigger version of Earth? What if you put some superdense material in the center of your new Earth? These are the questions that Kakalios works through.

The core theorem or narrative device of the book (choose your point of view) is that comic book authors can't bend too many rules. In fact, they usually can't get away with breaking more one or two. Then the hero must live a conventional life in our world and that's what makes it interesting. Spiderman may have a superstrong webbing, but he's still as vulnerable to depression as the next man. Batman may have unlimited wealth, but that won't bring back his parents. To paraphrase Robert Frost, comic book authors aren't playing tennis without a net.

In this world, science and comic narrative aren't bizarro versions of each other. Stories are sort of like free-form experiments where the scientist tries to change just one thing and measure the results. From this viewpoint, there's little difference between the two disciplines. A comic book is just a shorthand version of a scientific experiment.

This link implies an interesting and perhaps dangerous notion: science is just a longhand version of comic books. Sure, the folks at the cell phone companies have been striving mightily to make real that button on James T. Kirk's chest. That's the good news. But what about the darker notions? Anyone who's dealt with the side-effects of supposedly safe drugs like Vioxx knows that the bench scientists are as constrained as the comic book authors. They've got to come up with research that satisfies their customers and provide a simple resolution before that customer loses interest. (And won't those scientists come up with an ending for the debate about the link between cell phone-brain cancer before a jury does?)

But such speculation may kill the fun in the book. It's really just an excuse to toss around some equations and ask "what if" with a bit more rigor. This book may not be a grand, unifying theorem for the big plots of comic books and the big theories of science, but it's a neat first cut. It's as fascinating as much for its nuts and bolts description of physics as its offhand way of mixing together mathematical frameworks with narrative understanding.

Bio: Peter Wayner is the author of 13 books like Translucent Databases and Disappearing Cryptography .

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201 comments

  1. At least spoil _something_ by Stone+Rhino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd like to see what one of these explanations are, so I can actually evaluate his reasoning. The lack of a sample leaves this review with a big gaping hole of no examples to support its conclusions.

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    1. Re:At least spoil _something_ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I skimmed over a few chapter and I remember one of theses anlyses.
      It goes like this:
      In Comic X there is a super hero how can run very fast - 1% of speed of light isn't the maximum. So we calculate his kinetic energy (and first deduce that it's E = 1/2 mv), and then find out that it's pretty much, and then we find that he has to eat a few hundred cheese burgers just to have enough energy. If we consider that our body isn't 100% effictive we find that it's twice that much.
      Unfortunately J. Kakalios needs about four or five pages to say the above, so it's boring if you have some principle understanding of physics. Well, at least the chapters about mechanics. Perhaps the considerations about atoms and quantum mechanics aren't that boring, I haven't got that far until now...

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    2. Re:At least spoil _something_ by surfcow · · Score: 1

      Go to Amazon.com. You can view a good chunck of the book on-line.

      At a quick glance, it looks good, the author seems to have a good grasp of physics.

    3. Re:At least spoil _something_ by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      I've got the book, and it is amusing, though not so much for the advanced student. Usually it's more along the lines of taking bad physics, and explaining why it's bad.

      From memory (so take with a grain of salt), I can remember an example dealing with a little known superhero named "Ant Man" who, obviously could become super small (or was always super small?), and yet had strength and inertia comperable to a full grown man...Wonder why he didn't catch on?

      There was another one...I believe it was some villian trying to locate batman...The method was setting off bombs around the city, and measuring the seismic shockwaves to map the location of local caves, which of course is actually feasable, and he goes into the physics behind it.

      Struck me as more of a novelty gag, but he did seem to have a solid grounding in physics (and comics =)

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    4. Re:At least spoil _something_ by 21st+Century+Peon · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that as his speed approaches that of a (very) low orbit, his natty yellow boots are going to lose traction, seriously impeding his bullet- and building-dodging skills. Also, if he goes over a hilltop at such speeds, it's off into space with him.

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  2. Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex by Paul+Rose · · Score: 5, Funny

    Always got a chuckle out of "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" by Niven. http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html

    1. Re:Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex by coleblak · · Score: 1

      I remember reading that a few years ago but wouldn't the baby(were she impregnated by whatever means) be human until it was blasted by the light of the sun? Without Kal-el's body being charged by a yellow sun, he would be just as human as we are.

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    2. Re:Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Well, if we wanted to be sure, we could wrap the mother in lead or something.

      As for the sex bit, if we could keep the baby from killing the mother with normal (green) kryptonite (given a small enough quantity), couldn't we do the same to Superman during sex? You don't need the gold kryptonite to do that. Kryptonite-laced condom, etc etc... It would be a tricky thing to pull off, but it could work. It might hurt, but after that long, I'm sure he'd be willing. Besides, it adds a bit of kink to it -- of course the most powerful man in the world would want to be a sub.

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    3. Re:Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex by Xtifr · · Score: 1

      Yup, definitely a classic, and the first thing I thought of, too. One of my favorite lines: "Meanwhile, tens of millions of sperm swarm in the air over Metropolis."

      Larry Niven's mind seems to be capable of going places I would tend to avoid, at all costs! :)

    4. Re:Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex by KingKiki217 · · Score: 1

      You beat me to it; that was the first thing I thought of, too.

    5. Re:Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex by Molochi · · Score: 1

      Me three.

      A delightfuly twisted man, Niven. Regarding Superman having sex with LL this "modest proposal" could be summed up with the paraphrase," ...blow off the top of her head, while simulataneously gutting her like a trout."

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    6. Re:Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 1

      Mod +1 unintended double-entendre.

      It would be a tricky thing to pull off

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    7. Re:Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex by szembek · · Score: 2, Informative

      Lois could never have superman's baby. Do you think her fallopian tubes could handle his sperm ? I guarantee he blows a load like a shotgun right through her back. What about her womb ? You think it's strong enough to carry his child ? Sure. Why not ? He's an alien, for christ's sake ! His kryptonian biological makeup is enhanced by earth's yellow sun. If lois gets a tan, the kid could kick right through her stomach. Only someone like wonder woman has a strong-enough uterus to carry his kid. Only way he could bang regular chicks is with a kryptonite condom, but that would kill him.

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    8. Re:Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      I believe Niven wrote that before DC had it's big re-write history ("crises on infinite earths) party in the late eighties. Before then superman was strong enough to push the moon around, aftwards he's quite a bit weaker.
          Also all his strength came from being a high-g evolved human and thus the baby would likely share the genes responsible (dunno if strength would be one parent or the other or mix for inheritance).
          Of course the assumption is that since what shows to public looks like us then what we can't see is the same including genetics, etc.

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    9. Re:Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex by Gryle · · Score: 1

      At least he dies happy....

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  3. Batman by TheAmazingJambi · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm hoping it finally explains just how Batman came to be...obviously this would have more to do with genetics, but I'd really love to see them explain a half-bat/half-man running around a poorly disguised version of 1970s NYC. ...it's a costume you say? -looks crestfallen-

    1. Re:Batman by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 3, Funny

      You're obviously thinking of Man-Bat.

      </sadcomicnerd>

    2. Re:Batman by OakDragon · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Sounds more like Man-Bat. As a comic-reading kid, I was convinced that DC created Man-Bat in response to questions like "Why doesn't Batman have bat wings? Does Batman drink blood?" etc.

    3. Re:Batman by TheAmazingJambi · · Score: 1

      And apparently my attempt at humor is sub-par...need to work on the delivery...or maybe just have some coffee.

    4. Re:Batman by Mercano · · Score: 1

      Is it any better that I know of this character because he was in the first episode of Batman The Animated Series?

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    5. Re:Batman by Culture · · Score: 1

      The Batman, I tell you, The Batman. You failed the nerd test!

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    6. Re:Batman by Rheingold · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps Bat Boy.

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    7. Re:Batman by shawnap · · Score: 2, Funny

      Consider yourself lucky. I read this post, remebered that you were wrong (The first one had Red Claw as the villian; stealing some kind of chemical from a train or something?), and then was compelled to post about it! On Slashdot!
      I'm boned.

    8. Re:Batman by Molochi · · Score: 1

      It depends on how old you were when you were watching the first episode of BTAS...

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    9. Re:Batman by trenien · · Score: 1

      I thought it was a thinly veiled version of Chicago.

    10. Re:Batman by LouisZepher · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I coulda sworn that the first episode of Batman: TAS depicted Scarecrow, and that Red Claw didn't appear until season two.

    11. Re:Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Batman is just a guy in tights - manbat, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-Bat, OTOH, is the real deal. His syrum gives ulta sonic hearing, echo location, flight - ok, so it seems to make you a bit... twitchy. Is an occasional psychotic event really *that* big of a deal?

    12. Re:Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have become convinced that the gene for religious scholarship is identical to the gene for comic book nerd-dom.
      The difference is only in the expression of the gene - "yes, but as it is written in Habaukuk 19:34..." or "Yeah, but the Flash beat Superman in a foot race in issue..."

      Same stuff.

    13. Re:Batman by LouisZepher · · Score: 1

      No doubt. Nearly everyone has something for which they are fanatical. It's often what one does with their fanaticism that makes the notion dangerous, ie: Al Qaeda/KKK, or some kook that wants to be a real-life Joker. I don't claim to be an exception to this in any way. Hell, I'd love to be a researcher for a equivlant to "The Guide".

      On the other hand, one can behave in this manner with factual material. Anyone who has seen a Civil War re-enactment can attest to this. Canon Fanatics are everywhere.

    14. Re:Batman by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      Funny you juxtapose The Civil War with comics and obsesion. I got some of my first comics from a neighbor who got rid of them so he could have more room for his civil war collection.
          Last I heard (about 10-15 years ago iirc) he was making a decent living as selling premade ammo for civil war era guns and remakes mail order and had done a bit in a pbs movie/documentary/whatever about some battle or some such. More than an extra, less than a true bit part.

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  4. Kirk's chest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    IIRC, Kirk didn't have a communicator on his chest, that was Picard.

    1. Re:Kirk's chest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's right- James T. Kirk is far too manly for any brooch on his chest- his fierce chest hair would strangle and destroy any cheap tchotchke pinned to his mighty torso.

    2. Re:Kirk's chest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There it is. I knew this comment would surface.

    3. Re:Kirk's chest by kehren77 · · Score: 1

      Well that and he lost his shirt every other episode.

      Imagine how many communicator pins they'd go through.

    4. Re:Kirk's chest by FrellingGeek · · Score: 1

      If you had actually watched the show, you'd know that Kirk (a) waxed his chest and (b) was never too "manly" to wear a brooch on his chest.

    5. Re:Kirk's chest by Gryle · · Score: 1

      Kirk lost his shirt too often to clip anything to it.

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  5. Bad Star Trek reference? by BigWhiteGuy_27 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Sure, the folks at the cell phone companies have been striving mightily to make real that button on James T. Kirk's chest.

    Ummm...the last time I checked, Kirk used a hand-held communicator, and it was Picard who had the chest button.

  6. In other news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    I'm writing a book about Linux and valence electrons. It'll get slashdotted no matter how shitty it is!

  7. Science Friday Inteview by smallferret · · Score: 5, Informative

    The author was interviewed on NPR's Science Friday last year. They talk about some specific examples from the book, and it's an entertaining interview. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story Id=4851397

    1. Re:Science Friday Inteview by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In addition, Dr. Kakalios is quite friendly to people who email him about the book. I had a question about one of his equations, and emailed him about it, and he sent me a very nice reply.

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  8. Try to get the star trek references right! by noretsa · · Score: 0, Redundant
    I dont think you have a chance to get away with incorrect star trek references with this crowd.

    Kirk used a bulk handheld receiver, the button style communicators weren't around until TNG times.

  9. It was a nerd test by paranode · · Score: 5, Funny

    You passed.

    1. Re:It was a nerd test by ulugs · · Score: 1

      Or failed...? Didn't Kirk wear a chest communicator in Generations? Mind you, he was officially retired at that point.

  10. The Physics Course by Tobor+The+Fowl · · Score: 4, Informative

    This isn't a what if... A very good friend of mine went to the University of Minnesota and took a course with this professor with this book as the text for the class. He told me that they figure out some neat things.

    They calculate the outrageous amount of food that Superman needs to eat on a daily basis. They use different examples to figure out what Spider-Man's web can and can't do and go so far as to calculate the tensile strength of a fresh web.

    He told me lots of other neat examples that I can't even recall right now. I've been told that it's a great book and a great course.

    1. Re:The Physics Course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least link the course.

    2. Re:The Physics Course by kannibal_klown · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, a while ago (80s?) they mentioned that Superman was essentially a large Solar battery. That he absorbed the energy from the rays of the yellow sun and stored them. When he's "running low" he's more vulnerable to cuts, has less strength, etc. Likewise his invulnerability is from an aura his body projects (powered by the solar battery).

      They tried doing something similar with "The Flash," where-as he pulls power from something called the "Speed Force." This is also why he doesn't leave massive craters as he runs.

      I guess it was to somehow try to explain things without everyone playing the whole gravity/physics game.

    3. Re:The Physics Course by eliasen · · Score: 1
      I've had similar Superman calculations in my Frink documentation for a while. I was jealous after I heard about this professor because it was just the kind of physics book I'd like to write.

      I have the book and it's entertaining. I would have preferred more equations and numbers and worked-out examples; the author seemed to be following Stephen Hawking's rule that every equation in a book cuts the readership in half.

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    4. Re:The Physics Course by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

      > They tried doing something similar with "The Flash," where-as he pulls power from something
      > called the "Speed Force." This is also why he doesn't leave massive craters as he runs.

      Wally West at one point also had to eat outragous amount of food to make of for the energy he spend.

  11. Riddle me this one, batman by User+956 · · Score: 1

    But what about the Physics of whether Superman could beat Darth Vader in a fight?

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    1. Re:Riddle me this one, batman by TheAmazingJambi · · Score: 4, Funny

      The old badass Darth Vader or Vader Lite aka Hayden Christensen?

    2. Re:Riddle me this one, batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fallacy. There is only ONE Vader. No true nerds acknowledge, Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones. Revenge of the Sith is still being debated. If Napoleon Dynamite can kick the crap out of you then you're not Vader.

    3. Re:Riddle me this one, batman by PriceIke · · Score: 4, Funny
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    4. Re:Riddle me this one, batman by OakDragon · · Score: 1

      "You can run, Vader, but I'll get you! You can't hide behind that red sun forever!

      "Oops..."

    5. Re:Riddle me this one, batman by Guy+Smiley · · Score: 1

      Mod the parent up! This is a hilarious short film.

    6. Re:Riddle me this one, batman by Molochi · · Score: 1

      I liked that enough to look for the song. It's CC licenced and free to download here... http://www.tindeck.com/audio/my?loc=1w49k-Lemon%20 Demon%20-%20The%20Ultimate%20Showdown%20of%20Ultim ate%20Destiny.mp3

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    7. Re:Riddle me this one, batman by mark-t · · Score: 1

      The "Force" in spite of a connection to midichlorians that exist in all life, is effectively supernatural in origin and therefore magic. Superman is vulnerable to magic. Therefore, Darth Vader would win.

    8. Re:Riddle me this one, batman by BunnyClaws · · Score: 1

      That would depend on where the fight takes places. If it took place in the Star Wars galaxy Darth Vader would win because Superman gets his powers from the earths sun. If here on earth Superman would win because Darth Vader would not have the power of the force. The force does not influence anything outside of the Star Wars galaxy. However, he would still have his skills with the light saber but since Superman has his powers its doubtful the lightsaber would effect him.

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    9. Re:Riddle me this one, batman by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 1

      Superman gets his power from all yellow sun radiation, not Earth's in particular. Most all of the suns seen n Star Wars are yellow.

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    10. Re:Riddle me this one, batman by BunnyClaws · · Score: 1

      Ok, good point I thought it was the earth's sun but you are correct. In this case I will say Superman wins the fight. Mainly because if Luke Skywalker can manage to cut off Vader's hand then Superman should be able to use his eyes to burn off Vader's arms. This is such a ridiculous argument yet I cannot stop thinking about it.

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    11. Re:Riddle me this one, batman by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Neither. Jay and Silent Bob would kick both of their asses. :)

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    12. Re:Riddle me this one, batman by Randolpho · · Score: 1

      All "Vader Lite" has to do is his Franken-NOOOOooooo move and Supes dies laughing.

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    13. Re:Riddle me this one, batman by Randolpho · · Score: 1

      Bah, Cockknocker would whoop all.

      Well, till he loses a hand...

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    14. Re:Riddle me this one, batman by extremely · · Score: 1

      "The force does not influence anything outside of the Star Wars galaxy." I can win arguments if I get to make up random rules, too: That would depend on where the flame takes place. If it took place on SomethingAwful then you would win because your argument is sillier. If the argument takes place on /. then geek cred influences the arguement and my /. login number is lower than yours. However, you would still have your skills with making shit up but since I have my powers of bullshit observation it is doubtful your words will matter to others. ;) no offence... I just couldn't let that garbage stand. ;)

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  12. Comic Book Guy by Corbets · · Score: 2, Funny

    Am I the only one who instinctively read this summary with a voice in my head that sounded like the Simpsons Comic Book Guy???

    1. Re:Comic Book Guy by ROMRIX · · Score: 1

      "Am I the only one who instinctively read this summary with a voice in my head that sounded like the Simpsons Comic Book Guy???"

      Yes, now go back to sleep.


    2. Re:Comic Book Guy by IflyRC · · Score: 1

      Hm, so how does it feel to be truly "alone"?

    3. Re:Comic Book Guy by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Worst. comment. ever.

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  13. Similarly by rinkjustice · · Score: 0

    I like the practical, "real life" methods of gaining superhero-sized muscle and strength, practically overnight, by employing the same training and diet strategies as pro bodybuilders do (no radioactive lab experiment gone awry). I've been studying and experimenting with some of these cool secrets for years. For example, try glycogen depletion and sodium manipulation followed by glycogen super-compensation. You can gain upwards of 15-20 lbs of muscle mass in 24-48 hours eating nothing but sugary, high glycemic foods (as I did) and not gain an ounce of fat (you're strength will also go through the roof). Enhanced Neural Drive, is another good example where you can trick your body into lifting much more than accustomed.

    Fascinating to learn, but even better to experience for yourself.

    1. Re:Similarly by monopole · · Score: 1

      ...eating nothing but sugary, high glycemic foods...
      Unless caffene is a damper every nerd would be a superhero, and Beefy would dwarf superman (in strength).

    2. Re:Similarly by Lordpidey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait... so you are saying I spent all of this time next to this core of pure uranium for nothing? Damn.

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    3. Re:Similarly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      How the hell is spam modded up like this? Bullshit organ-damaging inducing diet, and that neural drive crap, if it works, sounds like a good way to get tendonitis. Yay lifelong crippling injuries!

    4. Re:Similarly by icegreentea · · Score: 1

      interesting. but how long does it last? and is the 20 pounds of muscle as strong as "real" muscle? is the effect uniform across all the muscles in your body? sorry to sound skeptical, but it really does seem too good to be good. speaking of which, wont you also have to consume insane of amounts of water for this to work. how much of this muscle mass is just water retention.

    5. Re:Similarly by RosenSama · · Score: 1
      You can gain upwards of 15-20 lbs of muscle mass in 24-48 hours
      Spoiler: It's really muscle mass, but not yours. You spend the 24-48 hours acting like a python and swallow a turkey whole.
    6. Re:Similarly by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

      I've had bilateral tendonitis (golfers elbow) for 8 years now, and none of these training methods ever aggravated my symptoms. Alot of it boils down to proper form too.

    7. Re:Similarly by HawkingMattress · · Score: 1

      Dude having a green, luminescent, and 1 meter long penis is enough to play into porn movies until you die ! Yes, even with your flickering face.
      If it doesn't work out you should consider the tentacle pron industry.

    8. Re:Similarly by Johnboi+Waltune · · Score: 1

      There is no way to gain 15 pounds of muscle mass in 2 days. Not even with all the steroids in the world. You could do a 8-10 week cycle of anabolic steroids, combined with a heavy weight training regimen, and gain that much muscle, but you'd lose much of it after you tapered off the steroids. Alternatively, you could eat a healthy diet high in protein, follow a sensible weight training plan, and pack on 15 pounds of muscle in about 8-12 months, depending on your genetics.

      Don't play with your health, it isn't worth it. Natural is the way to go... there are hundreds of these "GET HYUUUUGE NOW" sites on the internet, promising secret knowledge, and they are all scammers or steroid users.

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    9. Re:Similarly by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

      Glycogen depletion/supercompensation is how pro bodybuilders get "dialed in" for a competition. It's how they bring out the fullness of their muscularity and vascularity. It's also natural, safe and highly anabolic.

    10. Re:Similarly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having a father that was a doctor, I was raised not to buy bullshit like yours. It *is* used by bodybuilders at the last minute to get a little more tone, but the rest strikes me as pure snake oil bullshit and is phrased like all the other bullshit I've seen too. Pure hyperbole and pseudo scientific speak. As I was often reminded as a kid "If it sounds too good to be true, that's because it is too good to be true."

      How the FUCK did spam get modded up? You guys are geeks, you laugh at the shit all day in your inbox as SpamAssassin tosses it in the garbage. Why do you suddenly approve of this bullshit on here?

      So long as the ancient body building bullshit is working: c14l15, \/14G|24, get a big P E N I S NOW! Contact me for details!

      Jesus...

    11. Re:Similarly by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

      You call it "pure snake oil B.S."? "Pseudo scientific speak"? Then try and prove me wrong.

      I await your response.

    12. Re:Similarly by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      Ah - that's what it is. Figures that this is not a real strength program, but merely one that makes you look big. It's well known that bodybuilders, when actually in competition, are so weak that they can barely hold a pose for more than a few seconds. Ever see a bodybuilder start to tremble while posing? That's the muscles failing to stay in contraction.

      Besides that, the vast majority of bodybuilder *are* on anabolic steroids. Have fun with your method, kid.

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    13. Re:Similarly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You call it "pure snake oil B.S."? "Pseudo scientific speak"? Then try and prove me wrong.

      Ok. It's called conservation of mass. Assuming that absolute best case scenario that everything you eat and drink in those 24-48 hours will go straight to your muscles, you'll need to eat and drink 15-20lbs worth of food. That is if absolutely every single thing you eat is going to get converted into a form that can be used for muscle building. You're not pissing or crapping any of that out. You're 100% efficient. You're not using energy for anything else.

      Pure snake oil B.S. You should get fucking banned for posting that crap here.

    14. Re:Similarly by CuriHP · · Score: 1

      I certainly agree that this guys 15 pounds in two days thing is total bull. And I really don't think I'd want to try eating the 15+ pounds of food that would be required in two days to evemn attempt it. Conservation of mass and all that.

      But you can gain muscle weight a bit faster than you suggest, without steroids. When I first started doing some weight training, around my 17th birthday, I went from 185lbs to 205lbs in a little over 2 months and simultaneously lost about an inch off my waist. No steroids involved. Frankly, I wasn't even trying to put on weight. No dietary changes, and not much of a structured weight regimen. Basically, just whatever I felt like doing that day.

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    15. Re:Similarly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a biochemist, I have to tell you that you're full of shit.

      Besides, shouldn't you be pushing your bullshit religious crap on Ask Metafilter rather than spending time here?
      (I knew I recognised the name, Jason. Stop spreading your crap ideas all over the net, please. You show no understanding of basic biochemistry, your religious beliefs are as irritating as konolia's and just as ill-thought out, and overall you add nothing of value to any discussion you are a part of.)

    16. Re:Similarly by BJH · · Score: 1

      Just when you've run out of mod points...

    17. Re:Similarly by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      Depends on your body composition. I can't gain weight for all the weight training in the world - my muscles just aren't designed for fast twitch. Put me on an aerobic exercise path though, and I gain muscle mass fairly quickly - just not beyond a certain threshold, and certainly not muscle that'll make me Mr Universe.

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    18. Re:Similarly by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

      If you dissagree with what I've said, then you are a poor biochemist.

    19. Re:Similarly by sankyuu · · Score: 1

      When the office moved to a building with a gym, I enrolled in the bodybuilding course and instantly grew buffed and *gasp* sexy. I gained 20 pounds of lean muscle over a year, kinda like the spiderman bodytype /smug.
      But then when I left that job and moved to another city without gym access, i instantly lost some muscle and gained _another_ 20 pounds of fat over a couple years, turning me into... *drum roll* Mr. Incredible!

    20. Re:Similarly by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Why from all the superheros did you choose to be the Juggernaut, bitch?

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    21. Re:Similarly by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Heh. If you haven't noticed how this works: It's not gaining 15 pounds of muscle tissue mass. There's exactly as many muscle fibers in each muscle, and the state is temporary. You simply pump muscles with high-energy mix of nutrients. They sure profit from nutrient being stored locally and will be more efficient than normally, plus this may be a great opportunity for actual muscle-building exercise, but essentially the method doesn't add a gram of muscle tissue, and once the nutrient is depleted, your muscles look just like before.

      From zero to superhero, and back.

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    22. Re:Similarly by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      Never take medical or diet advice from a person who hasn't mastered the usage of the word a lot...

  14. Superheroes... Physics... Tenuous Connection! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "There are few corners of the world that are more closely associated with the word "nerd" than comic books and physics"

    Star Trek
    Linux
    Spectacles
    Pocket Protectors
    The front row of the classroom
    {etc}

    I could go on, but I just want to point out the tenuous nature of the link between superheroes and physics.

    1. Re:Superheroes... Physics... Tenuous Connection! by nizo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Combine them all and behold, we have the uber-nerd! He who is beaten up by regular nerds, and can walk through the women's locker room unseen, since he is utterly invisible to the female gender.

  15. Physics by SamSim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would be interested to see an actual physical simulation of Spider-Man style webslinging, to see if you could actually get around New York (or anywhere) by swinging from building to building. My theory? He should crash into walls all the time.

    1. Re:Physics by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      Perhaps if they factored in his college diet of Taco Bell into the equation, they might come to a different conclusion, if you get the thrust of my argument..

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    2. Re:Physics by dmatos · · Score: 1

      I suspect that he would run out of buildings tall enough to use before he crashed into them. I can see arcing back and forth across a street as a plausible mode of transport, but really, how many blocks can you go before you're out in the 3 and 4 storey buildings?

      (caveat - I've never been to New York, but in Toronto you'd be able to go about three city blocks, straight up Bay Street, and nowhere else).

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    3. Re:Physics by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pop in Spider-man 2 for PS2 or XBox and try it out for yourself :)

    4. Re:Physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how many blocks can you go before you're out in the 3 and 4 storey buildings?

      In Manhattan? A long, long, way. For example, along Park Ave./ Park Ave S., where I work, the street terminates at Union Square at 14th Street, and runs north to Grand Central at 42nd, and there's almost no buildings under, say, 12 storeys along the way, with many much higher. Between midtown and the business district to the south is where buildings would get too short, and they drop in height again way north, but there's probably a space over a hundred and twenty blocks long and 6-8 avenues wide (saving Central Park) where Spidey could do his thing. You can check it out using Google Earth -- there's a building geometry set for a lot of New York City.

    5. Re:Physics by eonlabs · · Score: 1

      I don't know about Chicago, but if you're referring to the comics then that would be the place to be. NYC on the other hand has dozens of blocks of sky scrapers, with hundreds of blocks of 3-4 story sky line. I don't see how that is an issue considering that 40+ feet of fall room still provides a decent area for swinging. (20 if you need to avoid telephone wire)

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    6. Re:Physics by Fry-kun · · Score: 1

      Or just watch the Spider-Man (2002)
      In one of the scenes, when Parker is trying slinging between buildings for the first time, he does indeed crash into a wall. After that, he always avoids crashing by shooting his web at a building on the other side of the street, or even using two webs to begin with.

      It's more interesting to think about what happens to the webs after he's done with them. It seems he just leaves them around the city, clinging on buildings or wherever he used them. And this is a large amount of silk; it's not like it just decays on its own - someone must collect it and get rid of it.. or recycle it for some use. The city's sanitation workers would protest and more than likely webbing would be prohibited inside the city (or Spider-Man would be banned).
      On the other hand, if I were Spider-Man, I might've tried to strike a deal with some [textile?] company, letting them use the silk under the condition that they would clean it all up. Talk about authentic Spider-Man-wear!

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    7. Re:Physics by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Its spiderman canon that the webs decay in a few hours.

    8. Re:Physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am more interested in the biodegradability of the spider webs. If it is as tough as the real spider web and does not decompose after awhile, who cleans up after him? The city will have many spider webs and spider threads hanging everywhere.

      I also want to know how much force Peter Parker's spider glands can squeeze to let him "shoot" spider threads accross the street.

    9. Re:Physics by eliasen · · Score: 1

      It's also Spider-Man canon that Peter Parker intentionally invented an adhesive with properties that it would be super-strong but would break down within about 24 hours. He also made a spraying device with a trigger on his palm. In the movie, Peter Parker presumably mutates so that he can shoot silk from his wrists. Thus, the movie doesn't follow the comic book canon and maybe it has entirely different properties, to be explored later.

      OMG, now I'm going to be complaining about the "magic xylophone" next.

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    10. Re:Physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comic-book answer: Peter Parker specifically designed his web solution to degrade in a few hours, basically long enough for the cops to show up and apprehend the immobilized criminals. No muss, no fuss.

        And don't even get me started with that retarded 'web gland' crap from the movies. Some Hollywood asshat decided to take Peter Parker away from us geeks. He was a tech-nerd, back when that was the height of uncool, but they did away with all that for a more "green" solution. It ruins the plot dynamics of having a limited supply of web cartridges, and having to swap them on the fly, and what's more, it's ridiculous! If he had a spider's web-glands, he wouldn't be shooting webs out of his wrists, he'd be shooting webs out of his butt!

    11. Re:Physics by steeler359 · · Score: 1

      The IMDB has this to say:

      In the comics, Peter Parker designed and made Spider-Man's synthetic spider web and the mechanical wrist guns that fire it. In the movie he shoots the web from his own body. Director Sam Raimi answered the protests of comic book fans saying that it was more credible to have Peter shoot web this way than for a high school boy to be able to produce a wonder adhesive in his spare time that 3M could not make

      Being that Stan Lee exec. produced, he must have sanctioned this change, no?

      Just my £0.02

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    12. Re:Physics by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      Pretty much, IIRC he said he understood the reasons for the change and a few things about the difference in what was thought possible almost 4 decades ago (there's a good one for you, comic years vs real years).

      Mycroft

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  16. Easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting nerdy as I wait until this server reboots.

    Superman has strength, speed and superdense skin*.

    Darth Vader has the elements of the force but, as we see over and over, they aren't planet shifting.

    Darth seems to lose up front but, perhaps he could sway the simple mind of Superman, as every encounter with Batman suggests Superman doesn't have a Superbrain.

    Let's say they meet and exchange one-liners. Superman goes for the thoat of Vader but, a moment before Vader puts a death lock on his heart/throat/brain. This is the only way I could see of Vader getting the upperhand. Granted, Vader is dead and no where near Earth's galaxy but, if the two were to meet my bet is on Vader.

    * Bullets bounce off him suggesting he does't feel pain, but then why does he long for the gentle touch of a woman? Perhaps his pain threshold is Super as well.

    1. Re:Easy. by dmatos · · Score: 1

      Superman can just turn back time, then use his super-speed to fly to the galaxy that is "far far away" and confront Vader. In fact, he could confront Vader when he was just whiney Anaken, smash the crap out of his pod racer, and leave his dessicated corpse on the sands of Tatooine. That would save us from the second half of episode I, and all of episodes II and III.

      As for the force, though, with proper control and concentration "size matters not." I still don't think that the force can overcome temporal engineering.

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    2. Re:Easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Bullets bounce off him suggesting he does't feel pain

      He must feel pain, otherwise why would he duck when the villain, out of bullets, throws the gun at him..? :)

  17. University of Minnesota class by juxel · · Score: 1

    This professor has actually offered a seminar class (2 credits, rather informal but very fun) on this topic for the past few years. I took it a while ago and it was so much fun. The book appears to be very similar to how the class was and most likely came about because he's been teaching the class for a while.

    If there's anyone at the U of M, you definitely want to check it out. He's a great prof and the class is a lot fun.

  18. Re:I would like to say something my /.ers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Today is the day this country "found its legs" in a search for its identity.
    That is insulting to all the generations that have proceeded us to make this country what it is. I intend no disrespect towards the 9/11 survivors, but come on!

    Also - 9/11/2001
  19. 2 subgroups for slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the subgroups were atheist and transhumanistic???

  20. Real nerds don't read comic books! by n6kuy · · Score: 1

    More like books on conjugating Latin verbs.
    Comic books are way too cool for nerds. ...or are nerds cool these days?

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    1. Re:Real nerds don't read comic books! by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      I thought the same thing: if nerds have been reduced to reading comic books, who's left to read real books?

      (Instead W. joke here.)

  21. Not like matter and antimatter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...more like pelicans and alka-seltzer.

  22. Superman Returns *warning spoilers* by bohemian72 · · Score: 1

    Well, spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen the Superman movies.

    This was one area where Superman Returns impressed me. There's a plane falling from the sky uncontrollably and Superman grabs onto the end of the wing, sure enough, the wing breaks off. Saving the plane, while not destroying it and killing everyone on board was a real mental exercise for Superman.
    Contrast that to Superman III (From Office Space fame), where Superman is able to hold a sheet of ice as large around as a lake with his fingers by the edge.

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    1. Re:Superman Returns *warning spoilers* by SageMadHatter · · Score: 1

      This was one area where Superman Returns impressed me. There's a plane falling from the sky uncontrollably and Superman grabs onto the end of the wing, sure enough, the wing breaks off. Saving the plane, while not destroying it and killing everyone on board was a real mental exercise for Superman.

      Unfortounetly, the way he did end up stopping the plane was also improvable. He ends up at the nose of the plane, pushing against it, stopping it in the film. However, in reality, it would be like stopping a watermelon with a needle. What would happen? The needle would puncture the melon. Ditto for the superman / plane scene.

    2. Re:Superman Returns *warning spoilers* by bohemian72 · · Score: 1

      Not if the melon was going slow enough. ;-)
      Seriously though, he was more like the flat end of a thumbtack. He had his arms outstreched as far as they would go and still hold on to the nose of the plane. Also he spent a lot of time gradually slowing down the plane from there. Even at the crawling speeds it was still travelling when his feet hit the ground it buckled and crunched up a bit.
      Was it totally realistic? That's a stupid question really, we're talking Superman here, but it was a damn sight better than a good number of rescues Superman's been shown doing.

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    3. Re:Superman Returns *warning spoilers* by Courageous · · Score: 1

      That scene, in the early part of the movie, was a really impressive bit of work. You could see the skin of the plane shudder and deform as the built up descent energy of the plane compresses against the nose. That was one freakin' awesome bit of CGI.

      C//

    4. Re:Superman Returns *warning spoilers* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More superman spoilers here ;)

  23. Nice product pitch there by drew_kime · · Score: 1

    Got any info on franchising?

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  24. Correction... by NMerriam · · Score: 1

    I find it hard to believe the geek cred of this reviewer when he repeatedly refers to "Spider-Man" as "Spiderman". Lonely virgins everywhere know that it is hyphenated!

    [/comic book guy]

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    1. Re:Correction... by Kredal · · Score: 1

      I'll add to the Comic Book Guy theme here.. James T. Kirk didn't have a button on his chest, he had to rely on the cell phone precursor... Wasn't until TNG that they had commbadges.

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    2. Re:Correction... by Marko+DeBeeste · · Score: 2, Funny
      Meaning they lost their hyphen


      sorry, couldn't resist

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  25. superman solar power by Mick+D. · · Score: 1

    I always just assumed Superman had a huge field around him that slightly pulled energy from yellow light and created a teeny tiny redshift for hundreds of miles around. It explained why a yellow sun was needed and why Krypton didn't provide super powers

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  26. Save yourself $3.30 by buying the book here! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Save yourself $3.30 by buying the book here: The Physics of Superheroes. And if you use the "secret" A9.com discount, you can save an extra 1.57%!

  27. Superman v Doctor Who by TheAmazingJambi · · Score: 1

    On a mostly unrelated note, who would win in a fight between Superman and Doctor Who?

    1. Re:Superman v Doctor Who by jnaujok · · Score: 1

      Doctor Who of course. How? I'll explain later...

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    2. Re:Superman v Doctor Who by tommyatomic · · Score: 0

      Which of the Doctor vs which superman?

    3. Re:Superman v Doctor Who by Bonker · · Score: 1

      Supes would never notice the good Doctor dicking around with his history.

      And the Doctor wouldn't... unless he had a good reason, but could always regenerate and go back in time to bust Jor-el's chops.

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    4. Re:Superman v Doctor Who by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't that be:

      Doctor Who, I'll explain earlier....

      Or was the joke to subtle for me.

      Mycroft

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  28. Re:I would like to say something my /.ers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so it took the USers 200 years to look down? "Oh look there's me legs!"

  29. Physics has no place in comics by devilsbrigade · · Score: 2, Insightful

    just like it has no place in movies that aren't documentaries about physics. This book is just as bad sounding as the website Insultingly Stupid Movie Physics . Maybe i am the minority here, but i think entertainment shouldn't be subjected to scrutinty like this. Who cares if spidermans web is not able to do what it does in the comic. Whoever referenced the superman vs darth vader is right, those are the important questions (Like who would win in a fight Neo or Gandalf) not, what are the physics of superman's flying. Its called supsension of disbelief, its what allows us to go to the movies and see Logan/wolverine and not hugh jackman just wearing gardening tools on his hands.

    1. Re:Physics has no place in comics by popeye44 · · Score: 1

      Those aren't gardening tools? Ahh man.. you ruined it for me. Knowing that Hugh Jackman is considered to know more show tunes than any other straight guy on the planet is what I get stuck on.. haha. I can't but help want him to break into a HELLO MY BABY HELLO MY DARLIN routine in the middle of a fight as wolverine.

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    2. Re:Physics has no place in comics by devilsbrigade · · Score: 1

      i know. My girlfriend keeps trying to tell me he was in some other movies where he doesn't play Wolverine. I don't believe her. And just cause IMDB says it doesn't mean anything. That website has been known to be wrong before....

  30. Who is better? by B5_geek · · Score: 1

    This is a long-time debate that I have had; Who is better?

    Mighty Mouse or Superman

    Ofcourse it was only a one-sided debate, as I am an only child.

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    1. Re:Who is better? by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Boy, you don't know nothing!

      Mighty Mouse is a cartoon.

      Superman is a real guy. No way a cartoon could beat up a real guy.

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    2. Re:Who is better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I guess you're right...

      It'd be a good fight, though!

      </goocher%gt;

  31. Nothing new here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is hardly an original idea. There are numerous other books out there covering the same subject. I'd like the review to cover why I should pick up this book as opposed to the other earlier books.

    1. Re:Nothing new here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Nice attempt at trolling for sales.

      The third book you link is the book reviewed here.

  32. Four years research by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

    It's my book I've been researching and writing for four years. What am I supposed to do, hide it under a rock?

    The whole ketosis/glycogen super-compensation cycle is a trip-and-a-half. When properly executed, your muscles get so freakin' big it's like looking at someone else's body. After my first successful carbload, I went to the gym and I couldn't believe the strength and stamina I had. I just kept going and going with bench press and shoulder presses until I got bored. I did not get tired, and I was lifting heavier than I ever did. Call it a kodak moment. It was amazing. So what if I want to share my hard work and research?

    1. Re:Four years research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what if you want to make a quick buck spouting nonsense, you mean?

    2. Re:Four years research by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

      Call it metabolic trickery or macronutrient manipulation or whatever you like, but it's definetely not nonsense. It's proven to work (in fact, a 41 year old woman from Chicago did the Leanweaver/carbload and gained 15 lbs in less than two days - and she's not even a bodybuilder!

  33. Similar slashdot story from 2004 by hackstraw · · Score: 1


    http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/1 5/2146226&mode=thread&tid=134&tid=146&tid=99

    Wow. I remember that story, and it seemed like 6 months ago. Scary.

  34. Not New by punisherawr · · Score: 1

    The National Geographic Channel had a 1-hr special about the science of superheroes...explaining from such topics as spiderman's super-strong web, superman's thrust/drag and x-ray eyes, and dr. x's mind abilities, among others which at the moment i cannot recall. I also remember them showing a special hour dedicated just to superman on the movie's release date. As they say in the TV industry, check your local listings!

  35. Ghost World by soft_guy · · Score: 1

    My favorite comic doesn't violate the laws of physics.

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  36. The Science of the X-Men was published in 2001 by JoshDM · · Score: 1

    And it's pretty good at stating a lot that this book had already done, except that it's X-Men exclusive. Science of the X-Men - I wonder if he cites it in his bibliography.

  37. Biggest complaint about messed up superhero physic by QuantumFTL · · Score: 1

    For whatever reason I'm able to suspend disblief when it comes to radioactive spiders, glowing meteorites, and even some of the more ridiculous time travel (flying around the world really fast?!?!). These all deal with things that are so far outside of my daily life experience that they seem "fantastic" rather than merely inaccurate and sloppy.

    The real problem I have is the "super strength" type characters, and how they interact with the rest of the physical world. I'm down with super strength, that's actually one of the lead imaginative powers, and I'll even buy that their bones and ligaments are stronger to compensate. What I can't deal with, however, is that strong characters picking up amazingly heavy objects must be exerting a tremendous force with their feet on whatever they are standing. This is compounded when they use their super strength to catch or throw said item, at which time the reaction force from their inertia is also so ridiculously huge that this should cause structural failure in most materials under their feet.

    This concept extends also to the point of contact with whatever they are holding. The sheer amount of force on many of these items would be more than enough to cause very severe damage. Also, the torque generated when said hero swings/flings the object around would bend or break many of these items at structural weak points, if it did not simply tear off the part that they had grabbed onto.

    I think the problem for me is that, having seen how materials act all of my life (and perhaps also having a rather useless degree in Physics) has caused these things to destroy suspension of disbelief. Yes, I also know that hitting superman with a large explosion should destroy his costume, or that no one could fail to recognize Clark Kent as Superman (especially considering they are basically never seen together), that radioactive animals don't give people superpowers (yet), and that gamma ray exposure is indefinitely more likely to cause cancer than it is to cause helpful mutation, but... these do not violate my intuition about the world the same way as horribly inaccurate structural mechanics.

    And yes, I know it's all just make believe, and I still watch the movies and enjoy them... most of the time.

  38. Physics prerequisites? by lillgud · · Score: 1

    How advanced is the physics? Can anyone follow the scientific arguments or do I need a Ph.D?

    1. Re:Physics prerequisites? by Tyfud · · Score: 1

      It's basic stuff that you'd learn first year college for the most part.

    2. Re:Physics prerequisites? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      The book is a basic physics primer (it starts by explaining good old f=ma) that happens to use comic book examples as illustrations, instead of random spheres or trains leaving Boston and New York at different times.

      As opposed to, say, "The Science of Superheroes" which takes a look at the superheroes and tries to fit them to science; talking about Fermi's Paradox about superman, or Aquatic Ape theory for Aquaman, or high energy physics for Hulk.

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  39. It's a good book by Tyfud · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've got it and have started reading it. A friend bought it for me last Christmas. As an avid fan of both comic books and Physics, it warms my heart to read how the author approaches each situation. That's with a very science first outlook. Essentially he's using comic books and super hero's to replace the common examples of "Man throws a 12kg ball over a cliff at 12,000meters, how much force will the ball have with the ground if F=ma". Just change ball to superman, and cliff to building, and man throwing to superman leaping.

    As for an example, the first one in the book's about how to determine the velocity superman needs at ground zero to be able to jump a 30 or 40 story building given the outside forces acting upon him.

    The author deals mostly with silver and golden age heros (Sorry Spawn lovers).

    1. Re:It's a good book by jthayden · · Score: 1

      An extra credit question on one of my high school physics test was like that, Lois falls of a building x meters tall, Superman arrives at the top of the building y seconds later, with what velocity does he need to start in order to catch her 2 meters above the ground. I had the numbers right but he marked it wrong because I said a number but didn't say negative. Velocity has a direction as opposed to speed which doesn't. I'm still annoyed, but of course I still know the difference between the two.

  40. Which superheroes? by BearRanger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Any geek who has read comics for any length of time knows that the superheroes of today are *much* less powerful than they were 40 - 50 years ago. I doubt if the laws of physics have changed. Perhaps the shift has been with writers finally understanding that they can only push the boundaries of reality so far.

    A Superman who can push the Earth out of its orbit isn't fun for a writer to work with, any more than it is for reader above the age of 5 to enjoy.

    A specific incident that comes to mind, probably from the late '80's. I believe it was "Legion of Superheroes" #38, where the writer (Paul Levitz?) had Mon-El deliver a white dwarf star to Earth, as part of a complex plot, to act as a power source for one of Brainiac 5's experiments. The resulting letters page a few issues later completely humbled the writer, with the readers taking him to task for violating the many laws of physics that would have resulted in the Earth's complete destruction. Some readers went into great detail about where the author went wrong, and Levitz actually apologized.

    Writers have to be more careful because their readers routinely take them to task when they go too far.

    1. Re:Which superheroes? by Deorus · · Score: 1
      Any geek who has read comics for any length of time knows that the superheroes of today are *much* less powerful than they were 40 - 50 years ago. I doubt if the laws of physics have changed. Perhaps the shift has been with writers finally understanding that they can only push the boundaries of reality so far.

      Mmhmm, so what are the Super Saiyans for you?

    2. Re:Which superheroes? by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

      > A Superman who can push the Earth out of its orbit isn't fun for a writer to work with, any
      > more than it is for reader above the age of 5 to enjoy.

      Peter David's Supergirl did meet the silver age Supergirl in his last arch. The silver age Supergirl was standing on her hands, and explaining that she was trying to push Earth away from an approaching comet. The modern Supergirl correctly pointed out that it didn't work (it was her world, and her laws of physics), and that even if it had worked, the consequences would be far worse than the comet.

      It did annoy me that silver age Supergirl did not bore herself into the ground, she was clearly able to put on more pressure than the ground could carry.

      Anyway, the power level itself is not about realism or physical plausibility. It is about what kind of stories you want to write.

    3. Re:Which superheroes? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Superman doesn't routinely push planets around anymore, but even trying to lift a large building should result in a pile of rubble, not an intact building. I'd guess that Superman hasn't really obeyed the laws of physics since the 30's when he couldn't even fly.

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  41. I am the Nerd King! by Fysiks+Wurks · · Score: 1

    If you are proud of your nerd status openly display this title in your home or office. If you are not proud of your nerdiness and haven't come out the lab jacket and bowtie filed closet keep the book hidden well - or you'll out yourself.

    I don't have this book, but I proudly display my 12 tall "Beaker" figure on my desk.

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  42. Answers by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

    how long does it last?

    Depends on your activity level and muscle recruitment after the carbload (aka glycogen super-compensation). Let me explain how it works: 1) you strip every last vestige of glycogen from your liver and your muscles (it's not as bad as it sounds) using a low-carb diet and exercise that induces a state of ketosis. 2) Once this is achieved and you're muscle cells are starving for glycogen, you ingest high glycemic foods to raise insulin levels and transport nourishment and glycogen back into the muscles, with the aid of insulin agonists like chromium and apple cider vinegar. Your muscle cells will absorb much more glycogen than normal, or "super-compensate", just as a famished person may over-eat to compensate for lost meals.

    Is the 20 pounds of muscle as strong as "real" muscle?

    I would have to say comparable, but it's hard to say. With your muscles so full after a carbload like I've described, the difference in strength is appreciable.

    How much this muscle mass is just water retention?

    Simply put, glycogen is ingested carbohydrates converted to a syrup that is stored in, among other places, the liver and muscle stores. And carbohydrates help retain fluid, hense the word hydrate.

    1. Re:Answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A carboyhydrate involves carbons which have been connected by hydrogen bonds. These bonds can be broken down by hydrolis, the ADDITION of water. Also, your muscles are in no way made up of carbohydrates but rather proteins. Glycogen is broken down into glucose which is, in turn, used to synthesize ATP for use in muscular contraction.

      You might want to retake 9th grade biology, bucko.

    2. Re:Answers by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

      A carboyhydrate involves carbons which have been connected by hydrogen bonds. These bonds can be broken down by hydrolis, the ADDITION of water.

      Agreed. This is the reason a person retains more fluids when on a carbohydrate-rich diet.

      Also, your muscles are in no way made up of carbohydrates but rather proteins. Glycogen is broken down into glucose which is, in turn, used to synthesize ATP for use in muscular contraction.

      Also correct. Glycogen is anabolic and a precursor to building muscle tissue.

      You might want to retake 9th grade biology, bucko.

      This is where you're wrong. My name's not bucko.

    3. Re:Answers by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      This would mean this trick doesn't really build muscle tissue. It just pumps currently available muscles with easy to absorb "fuel", allowing for temporary strength and stamina boost. But after some time - a few days maybe - the stored extra nutrient gets depleted and muscles return to previous state?

      Gummibear juice more than radioactive spider bite...

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  43. Krypton, a victim of the Death Star by User+956 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Superman can just turn back time, then use his super-speed to fly to the galaxy that is "far far away" and confront Vader. In fact, he could confront Vader when he was just whiney Anaken, smash the crap out of his pod racer, and leave his dessicated corpse on the sands of Tatooine.

    It is rather suspicious that Krypton exploded in much the same manner as Alderaan. My only guess would be that the Vader saw this move coming while Kal-El was still a baby.

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  44. I can think of one thing... by dslauson · · Score: 1
    "There are few corners of the world that are more closely associated with the word "nerd" than comic books and physics."
    Apparently, you haven't checked out the discussion over here.
  45. More spoilers by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    Well, in that same Superman Returns, he lifts a continent by his hands. I think that's just a bit less probable than the ice.

    But yes, the scenes with the plane were arguably the best in the movie.

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    1. Re:More spoilers by bohemian72 · · Score: 1

      Well... It wasn't like a full sized continent or anything. More of an island, and to the film maker's credit it was falling apart around him. I never had the impression that it reached anything like Luthor's envisioned size.

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  46. Re:Biggest complaint about messed up superhero phy by Griim · · Score: 1

    They actually tried explaining this with the latest Superboy (who was a half-clone of Superman) by saying he has "tactile telekenisis." Basically the objects that Supes picks up are encompassed by this, and don't become susceptible to structural failure. It's lousy ret-conning, I know :) but the new Superboy actually has this ability, but a bit more enhanced. He can pick up an object, and also tear it apart/manipulate it.

  47. MOD PARENT DOWN by Raunch · · Score: 1

    blog spam

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  48. Kakalios has a Ph.D. in physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At a quick glance, it looks good, the author seems to have a good grasp of physics.

    I should think so. James Kakalios has a Ph.D. in physics and is a professor at the University of Minnesota. His area of research is condensed matter physics. He is also a part of their Physics Force team that does shows featuring exciting science demonstrations.

  49. Surprises abound by Plutonite · · Score: 1

    The surprise is that the two don't behave like matter and anti-matter. They don't explode on contact.

    Well I can clearly see I'm in for some serious surprises there, totally mind-numbing physics. Come on, is this course for science majors?

    Truth: There has to be some common-sense everyday physics "feel" to the bogus effects to make them enjoyable (that's why you have physics engines in games). We are not contesting that if superman threw a 80 ton ball it would flatten the ferrari and bounce off correctly. We just want you to remember that the motherf*er threw an 80-ton ball.

    It's the biology that's complaining, Sherlock.

  50. The Motherfucking Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now, I don't know how many of you dogs of the scurviest sea read comics, but I do a big pile of comics. One thing that blows my mind is how completely insane the powers in the DC universe are. Look at Superman. This guy has more powers than French restaurants have ways to say "your taste in wine is atrocious". He has powers to do with every part of his body and then some. He forgets powers sometimes. He can shoot heat rays out of his eyes, frost breath from his mouth and red son radiation from his ass. He's that sort of crazy dude. All because he absorbs solar radiation.

    Look at Batman. His power? The anti-power. Sure, he should be some tame, kung fun master of not much, but instead he's the hottest shit to ever shit on a plate. You got a power? He'll find your weakness and give you seizures or heart attacks. He'll light you on fire when you're sleeping or make you recharge your green lantern ring in the power outlet. Ten thousand volts of fuck you batman. That's Batman.

    But the fucking Flash, my god, my FUCKING GOD, this man has the greatest powers of all. If Superman's powers are being sucked off by twin super models and batman coming home to discover your wife is not only bisexual but has two friends she wants you to 'get in on' then the Flash is an orgy with a thousand women who also want to pay your World of Warcraft billing. And click the mouse for you. This man is just that fucking hot. They have to power him down in the comics half the time just to keep him from doing everyone else's job.

    Ok first off, he can travel at lightspeed. Mother fuck! Not only does he travel at lightspeed, but time slows down for him. So he feels like he's having a casual jog or reading the paper, meanwhile, his feet are moving so fast you can hear him coming from Montana while he's already gotten to Arizona. That's fucking fast. But wait! The ability to move at Lightspeed just isn't fucking enough!

    I know! Christ this guy can punch you so many times in a second you've been hit five times in the cock and two times everywhere else. You think you're about to fight the Flash and then it hits you, for the last split second he's beaned your beanbags with more blows than you had sperm. But no, there's more!

    The Flash can also vibrate through walls. Now last I heard, you can not move so fast you can vibrate through walls, so what actually happens is the Flash is so fast he can pick and choose the movement of his individual molecules and move them through other solid objects, phasing through solid matter like it ain't no thing. I mean you think a guy who runs at lightspeed would run into shit but no, the Flash just goes right through them. To top that with a cherry and some whipped cream (which the Flash made in like a millisecond, fucker) he can selectively choose to cause objects to be "okay" afterwards or FUCKING EXPLODE. That's right. He can run through you and make you blow up by transfering kinetic energy into you. Like Jesus. IT's bad enough you can't hit this guy, but he doesn't even have to punch you. Now your testicles have exploded and you're thinking you're about to hit him. Jesus? Just give it up. He's the fucking Flash.

    Now imagine that somehow there's someone who can get around the Flash blowing your balls up secret ninja technique. Ok. He can also control the flow of energy between objects. This power makes no sense but basically he can throw a rock at you, and you think it's going slow and then he's like WHOOHOOO WIZARDLY FLASH POWERS and bam it's going at lightspeed. So he can throw seven million rocks at you in a second then make them all goes different speeds thus striking your nads with seven million rocks one after the other.

    But wait! There's more! He can also take energy from the very power of speed and make clothes out of it. Yes. Flash makes his pants out of GOES FAST. The man is so fast he can make Flash pants that GOES FAST go right into. I don't even start to understand the physics of that but basically SPEED == REALLY TIGHT UNDERWEAR AND COOL LIGHTNING THINGIES OVER T

    1. Re:The Motherfucking Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... I stand here in awe...
      Soviet
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      indeed...

    2. Re:The Motherfucking Flash by SamSim · · Score: 1
      Flash makes his pants out of GOES FAST.

      Lightspeed Briefs?

    3. Re:The Motherfucking Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best...AC post...EVER!!

  51. Shameless bragging by phlegmofdiscontent · · Score: 1

    I took Dr. Kakalios's Solid State Physics course back in my college days. I even managed to stay awake during class (a high honor, as I slept through most of my college courses). I also had the pleasure of working with him indirectly as part of a summer research program. So, if there are any UMN physics students out there, definitely take one of his courses.

  52. Re:Biggest complaint about messed up superhero phy by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 1

    Oh man, nerd time for me.
    1) Kon-El, the latest Superboy is now dead. His powers were not based on Superman's, but rather designed (by Luthor) in imitation. Thus, while Kon-El had tactile telekinesis, Superman does not.
    2) Kon-El is also dead, courtesy of Superboy Prime (who is imprisoned inside a red son, after having not only killed a ton of people, but acutally altered the reality of DC comics by punching the walls of heaven...seriously...).

    Eesh.

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  53. 0 out of 3 by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

    Ah - that's what it is. Figures that this is not a real strength program, but merely one that makes you look big.

    Nope. You get increase in strength and stamina also. Marathon runners oft carbload before a run to give them maximum muscle endurance.

    bodybuilders, when actually in competition, are so weak that they can barely hold a pose for more than a few seconds

    That comment is so blatantly false it's insulting.

    Ever see a bodybuilder start to tremble while posing? That's the muscles failing to stay in contraction.

    See above.

    1. Re:0 out of 3 by Courageous · · Score: 1

      *LAUGH*

      You've never heard of Lasix.

  54. Easy by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

    With my Carbohydrates to Glycogen Conversion Formula and an aggressive eating schedule of high-glycemic foods, 15 lbs is a moderate estimation which I've personally exceeded.

    And yes, I still went to the bathroom!

    1. Re:Easy by RosenSama · · Score: 1

      So you consumed how many pounds of food/liquid in that period?

  55. The book is better than the review by haroldK · · Score: 1

    I've read the book and have been to his seminar twice. He's a very entertaining guy and a true geek. He makes me want to go back to school and be a physics major. I would reccomend the book for anybody interested in math, physics, comics or any combination of the above. Also, I would reccomend his seminar for anybody in the Twin Cities.

  56. And then there's the Subheroes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He slips into the telephone booth, slips out of his expensive Armani suit, and into something a little more comfortable - his bearskin, often mistaken for a rug.

    He has to fly. Err, umm, run, to be exact. At the speeds he gets up to, it's a wonder his bearskin doesn't burn up.

    He races along the street, charges through the traffic lights and through the traffic. This is a life and death matter, and he hopes not to be too late again! While behind him he hears the shouts: "Is it an ape? Is it a bear? No, it's Subman!"

  57. Needs a chapter on the physics of Santa by carpeweb · · Score: 1

    I remember seeing a similar monologue on the physics of Santa. You start with basic facts like the number of children in the world, the proportion that are Christian, the average size/weight of each gift, etc. and deduce how big the sleigh would have to be ... you fold in how fast the whole outfit would need to travel in order to deliver everything in one night ... and you end up deducing that Santa would explode or something like that. IANAP, obviously, but it was pretty funny.

    No mod points at the moment, but will promise 2 of my next five to the first post of the link.

    1. Re:Needs a chapter on the physics of Santa by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1
      You mean this calculation?


      I've been needing some good moderation to compensate for the unusually large number of Overrated ones I've been receiving.

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    2. Re:Needs a chapter on the physics of Santa by carpeweb · · Score: 1

      Well, I had to put my /. dumbass hat on, since I realized I couldn't mod up your link comment, since I've already posted in this discussion.

      However, I modded up your Re: Tracking is Good comment.

      Karma is karma, right?

      Can someone else mod up the parent "informative" or "funny"? (The link is funny, so either is appropriate.)

    3. Re:Needs a chapter on the physics of Santa by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the moderation. I'll take what I can get. Beggers can't be choosy. :)

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  58. But does it answer the important questions? by strangemonkey · · Score: 1

    But do they answer the most important question? In a fight between Batman and Superman, who would win?

    1. Re:But does it answer the important questions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Batman defeated Superman in The Dark Knight Returns.

  59. Re:Biggest complaint about messed up superhero phy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More nerding out! The telekinesis bit was already included in John Byrne's 1985 reboot of Superman.

  60. Re:I would like to say something my /.ers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's when they began to bend their necks looking down. They kept bending it ever since and now have their heads firmly planted up their arses.

  61. If Superman is so powerful by Ardipithecus · · Score: 1
    Why didn't he stop Hitler, Tojo and Stalin. Is he really for "Truth, Justice and the American Way," or just a spin-master?

    My favorite piece of foolishness is picking up a falling person. In an instant the person is accelerated sideways to Superman's speed, while decelerating to zero vertically. Massive internal injuries and neck snapping would be more likely than safe rescue.

    He needs of course to grab the person from below and decelerate them at 1G or less to vy=0. Same with Neo.

    1. Re:If Superman is so powerful by BearRanger · · Score: 1
      Why didn't he stop Hitler, Tojo and Stalin. Is he really for "Truth, Justice and the American Way," or just a spin-master?

      I'm sure you didn't want a serious answer to this, but this is one of the things comics writers actually got right.

      Put yourself in the time of WWII. You've got a world that parallels the real world, except it has beings in it who could end the war overnight. You've also got comics that deal with "real" soldiers that are selling fairly well. You do not want to trivialize the efforts of the people fighting the war. Propaganda was the order of the day. As most comics were read by young boys, you could argue that comics were a recruiting tool for future soldiers as well as a morale boosting bit of propaganda.

      In any event, Superman didn't end the war because of a writer's convenience--in this case, the Spear of Destiny. Hitler acquired this mystical Norse artifact that placed a shield over the battlefields of Europe and Asia. Any superpowered being who entered the area would instantly fall under Hitler's control. The heroes knew this, and for the duration of the war they were mostly confined to fighting spies and subversives at home. The writers had their out, and they were still able to tell interesting stories and push the sale of war bonds, encourage conservation and inspire future soldiers.

    2. Re:If Superman is so powerful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The spear of destiny was the spear that pierced Jesus' side on the cross. It's not a Norse artifact.

    3. Re:If Superman is so powerful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't really expect them to say THAT in a comic, did you?

  62. Center of gravity by Nicolay77 · · Score: 1

    It's not about what superman strength is (duh!), but about the center of gravity of the stuff he carries.

    The ice was grabbed by an edge, and it should have just cracked.

    The island was grabbed from below, and with a good enough sense of equilibrium it would have worked. If superman had gone inside the island to the center of gravity of the thing, it must have worked, except that all that kriptonite would have killed him first.

    And the plane scene has something left, he should have gone to catch the plane in the belly when it goes flat to the baseball field, otherwise the nose should have bended and people in the back seats would be very injuried.

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    1. Re:Center of gravity by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Well, except that in the case of the ice, I think it still might have cracked had he grabbed it in the center, because that's kind of like grabbing a bunch of chunks of ice half that diameter by the edge. It might still have worked for ice, but I'd be skeptical of the island if it wasn't made of Kryptonian crystals.

      And yes, I did wonder about the plane. I figure if people had their seatbelts on, it would help, at least. But by then, I figure, Superman won, and it's really time for the crowd and the cheering.

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  63. Hard vs Soft Science Fiction by Nicolay77 · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of a division in science fiction: Hard science fiction vs soft science fiction.

    Hard science fiction autors never violate the laws of physics. Just play with future but very possible technology, or dwelve in the realms of life inside stars and so on.

    Soft science fiction violates whatever law it wants, just for story-telling sake. Think warp speeds.

    Some autors are definitely hard science writers, when others are not.

    The point is: hard science fiction is more difficult to write. You must have some physics background and stuff.

    The concept seems to be going to games too, battlefield 2142 designers don't use laser weapons and any other they consider are not realistic enough.

    Maybe you would like to start writing comics, and do it the hard way.

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  64. oops by peterwayner · · Score: 1

    Kirk had the Razr. At least we've caught up with that generation.

  65. Godlike Physicists by Meeahgoo · · Score: 1

    "...to the poor physicists who labor long and hard in the hope of making those laws work correctly." I would be pretty amazed if physical laws could behave wrongly.And even greater would be that surprise if physicists could actually intervene on the working of such laws!