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10 Terrible Portrayals of Technology in Film

Luke Hachmeister writes to mention a light piece at GideonTech on some of the truly terrible portrayals of technology in film. From Hackers to AntiTrust, Hollywoood just can't stick to reality. From the article: "Harrison Ford plays a security expert at a bank. He falls prey to a scheme to steal money for a gang that has taken hostage of his family. The film tried very hard to keep it a rollercoaster ride of thrills. From the beginning, you have Harrison Ford typing furiously to stop a hacker by writing new firewall rules. At least this time, these rules didn't float around in a rainbow of colors ala Hackers. What really puts Firewall at the top of the list, is the dumbest and non-believable use of an iPod to date. This is 2006, not 1995, you can't just make stuff up like this anymore. In the middle of the film, Harrison Ford happens to not only be a security expert, but an Apple hardware developer too."

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  1. Bah by B3ryllium · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Our jobs are BORING. Admit it. If the true essence of our profession was placed on film, people would walk out of the theatre.

    Unless, that is, it was encapsulated in a vehicle like "Office Space" ... ;-)

    1. Re:Bah by edunbar93 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You know the scene in Hackers where Joey logs into that one computer, and rainbows of stars and other shit come streaming across the screen?

      Somehow, I think the audience would have gotten the point if we just got a zoom-in of "Login successful. Welcome to Cyberdyne systems model 101." Especially if he started doing the victory dance.

      I don't know about you, but if the "Login successful" screen did the stars shit every time *I* logged into a computer, I would drag the developer into a dark alley and beat him with a crowbar for a couple of hours.

      Of course, that wouldn't excuse the other egregious hackery that comprised much of the dialog. You gotta love a line like "Run Antivirus!"

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    2. Re:Bah by B3ryllium · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yesterday, my dental hygenist attempted to create an analogy of "not brushing my teeth" as being the same as "not updating my antivirus on the machines at work".

      She didn't get my point when I said they run "Linux".

      Too bad my mouth doesn't, though. Heheh :)

    3. Re:Bah by RedSteve · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Our jobs are BORING. Admit it. If the true essence of our profession was placed on film, people would walk out of the theatre.

      Absolutely.

      My wife is a pediatrician, and despite the fact that she deals with disease and injury every day, she cannot help but watch every medical show -- fiction or reality -- that comes on TV. One day I wondered aloud why she would want to subject herself to tv that is essentially work to her, and why no one makes TV shows about my chosen profession.

      She replied that
      a) the fictional TV shows generally get as much wrong with their medicine as movies with tech themes get technology wrong and
      b) no one wants to watch a show consisting of a bunch of web geeks sitting in front of their computers all day.

      I had to concede that she was right, but that didn't make me feel any better....

    4. Re:Bah by B3ryllium · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If they did something like "The Office", except with an office of tech geeks, it could work. The occasional crash ("SHIT! SHIT! THE RAID IS GOING DOWN! SHIT! Oh, wait, here's the hot spare. Crisis averted."), accident ("WHY DID YOU HAVE A GLASS OF WATER SO CLOSE TO THE ROUTER!?!?"), or interpersonal conflict ("Hey - did you hear that Jim got fired for blogging about Office Ninjas?") ... it could work.

      (Oh, and as a sidenote, that last one ... it's not an impossible scenario. You might hear about it some time.)

    5. Re:Bah by DarkAxi0m · · Score: 2, Funny

      ive allways look at hackers as an art-house kinda movie
      and the "rainbows of stars and other shit" that come streaming across the screen are more what he is 'feeling' inside his mind rather than whats really happing.
      Though i do agree that showing Login successful, him doing the victory dance would show the point, but common... think of the physical effort! hehe

      So, uh, what's your interest in Kate Libby, eh? Academic? Purely sexual? ...Homicidal.

    6. Re:Bah by BlueLightning · · Score: 3, Informative

      Already been done (sort of).

    7. Re:Bah by B3ryllium · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Awesome :) Forgot about that, I'll have to check it out.

      Father Ted rules, too, fwiw. :)

    8. Re:Bah by Lumpio- · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now that's just a blatant lie, a lot of white text on a black background can be very interesting!

      ...then again, I guess most other people don't get excited looking at emerge logs.

    9. Re:Bah by KDR_11k · · Score: 3, Informative

      I found 23 to be a decent portrayal of hacking (though people who know the person portrayed in the movie say it's a bad portrayal of the actual events). No idea how they got their trojan in place but I guess they didn't want to bore the viewer with technical details, the book The Cuckoo's Egg does say the hacker used trojans in that manner.

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    10. Re:Bah by AndyboyH · · Score: 3, Interesting

      and was fairly terrible.

      God knows why it got a second season.

      BOFH would make a better series. Dark humour and comedy violence for the win.

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    11. Re:Bah by D-Cypell · · Score: 2

      Awesome :) Forgot about that, I'll have to check it out.

      Don't bother. It was crap! Great promise, poor implementation.

    12. Re:Bah by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Funny

      They could even have an X-factor type competition to decide who plays him.
      Of course the winner will be the guy who gets his PFY to rig the votes.

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    13. Re:Bah by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Funny
      I guess they didn't want to bore the viewer with technical details, the book The Cuckoo's Egg does say the hacker used trojans in that manner.

      The hacker used trojans to bore the viewer with technical details? I guess that's a new sort of DoS attack: Instead of attacking the computer, attack the people in front of it by giving technical details ... :-)
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    14. Re:Bah by flumps · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Run, antivirus, run!!" "Life is like a box of worms, you never know which one you're gonna £"£$"ERWL.."

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    15. Re:Bah by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Picked up towards the end. (As did father Ted). Seems the creators are a little wary of the more bizarre surreal ideas at first. I'd like to see another series.

    16. Re:Bah by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We already have that simple text login successful movie. It was called wargames. It was a really interesting movie, because it showed how hacking was actually done. Calling the operator and asking for numbers, then trying every number until a modem picks up. Then trying every password you can think of until you actually get into the system.

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    17. Re:Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Linux is kinda like flossing. It keeps everything clean, but it's uncomfortable and no one really likes it.

    18. Re:Bah by nickco3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have mixed feelings about War Games. Some of it was good and realistic, the text logins and the war-dialling, like you say, but some of it was pushing things a little, like computers are alive and one them has been put in charge of the nuclear button.

      And some of it was just complete fantasy-land, like the cute girl wanted to hang out with the class nerd while he played a computer game in his bedroom. I ask you.

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    19. Re:Bah by crimperman · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I have mixed feelings about War Games. Some of it was good and realistic, the text logins and the war-dialling, like you say, but some of it was pushing things a little, like computers are alive and one them has been put in charge of the nuclear button.

      And some of it was just complete fantasy-land, like the cute girl wanted to hang out with the class nerd while he played a computer game in his bedroom. I ask you.


      My particular favourite was when the kid plugs in the speaker at home so we can "hear" the computer "speak" and then this voice miraculously appears each time he accesses WOPR regardless of the terminal he is using - or where it is located.
    20. Re:Bah by ischorr · · Score: 2, Informative

      There was also Salmon Days (http://www.salmondays.tv/), which was originally based on the BoFH stuff that shows up on The Register.

      For those with short attention spans, the trailer is here. Don't miss the killing of clippy, it's priceless.

    21. Re:Bah by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

      And some of it was just complete fantasy-land, like the cute girl wanted to hang out with the class nerd while he played a computer game in his bedroom. I ask you.

      Indeed. Reality would be if the cute girl kicked his ass in Global War. Turns out those cute girls can be vicious little killers.

      KFG

    22. Re:Bah by orasio · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some of it was good and realistic, the text logins and the war-dialling, like you say, but some of it was pushing things a little, like computers are alive and one them has been put in charge of the nuclear button.


      With people who think that computers can decide who you voted for by themselves, of course there is a risk of someone giving nuclear command to a computer, that is realistic, even if it didn't happen yet.

      About computers being alive, they don't need to be alive, they just need to act like they were. You just need a good AI, not a lot more advanced that what there is now. An easy example, Google seems to understand your needs, giving you content and ads tailored to you, something that didn't seem that easy before, that is some of the AI you need for a computer to _seem_ alive.

    23. Re:Bah by Single+GNU+Theory · · Score: 2, Informative
      BOFH would make a better series. Dark humour and comedy violence for the win.


      They sort-of did. It was called Salmon Days: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/01/08/salmon_day s_is_spawned/

      The salmondays.tv site, however, seems to have been replaced with something not entirely (or at all) suitable for work, so I didn't stick around to see if the original trailer was still there.
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    24. Re:Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Of course, they kept it realistic. The class nerd couldn't think of anything better to do with the cute girl in his bedroom than play a computer game.

    25. Re:Bah by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Funny

      The line I loved the most is, "what kind of jerk lives in Seattle their whole life and doesn't learn how to swim?"

      Yes, Hollywood movie producers, Seattle is actually in a deep swamp. Our secret is out. It's impossible to go to the corner drugstore without swimming at least a mile. You'd think they'd build the city on the huge rolling hills, but, no, on the swamp where everyone has to swim.

    26. Re:Bah by HiVizDiver · · Score: 2, Funny

      Brilliant, I'm going to steal that. Since you posted as AC, I don't feel too bad about it. ;-)

    27. Re:Bah by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know the scene in Hackers where Joey logs into that one computer, and rainbows of stars and other shit come streaming across the screen?

      I know that scene, and I found it to be very realistic.

      It reminded me of my days dialing into local BBS'es run by 16-year-olds, where every successful login was accompanied by a three-page-long piece of blinking eight-color ANSI art.

      Later I would log into more mature systems, where the login message was instead a single-page long fortune, usually an excerpt from a Monty Python script.

    28. Re:Bah by robbkidd · · Score: 3, Funny
      Seattle is actually in a deep swamp. Our secret is out. It's impossible to go to the corner drugstore without swimming at least a mile. You'd think they'd build the city on the huge rolling hills, but, no, on the swamp where everyone has to swim.

      Listen, lad. I built this [city] up from nothing. When I started here, all there was was swamp. Other [people] said I was daft to build a [city] on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em. It sank into the swamp. So, I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So, I built a third one. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp, but the fourth one... stayed up! And that's what you're gonna get, lad: the strongest [city] in these [lands].

    29. Re:Bah by uufnord · · Score: 2, Insightful
      My particular favourite was when the kid plugs in the speaker at home so we can "hear" the computer "speak" and then this voice miraculously appears each time he accesses WOPR regardless of the terminal he is using - or where it is located.

      I remember thinking that in the theatre, but I figured that it was a device that the director was using to allow the computer to successfully communicate with us, the movie-goers. I figured that, in the fantasy land of the movie, the voice didn't need to be a "real" voice that every character heard, but it could have been a voice that the lead character heard in his head whenever he dealt with this particular computer.

      Once I realized that, the movie was much easier to enjoy.

    30. Re:Bah by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Greetings Professor Falken

      I seem to remember him saying he had a speech synthesizer. plausible... not with such pronunciation though..

      In around the same period (if not before) the TRS-80 model 1 & III had a speech synth that operated in a similar manner as portrayed in in Wargames, and, if memory serves, sounded about the same.

  2. I think the all time classic is........ by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Independance Day.

    Upload Virus.......

    Enough said!

    1. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Agreed. There's no way in hell an advanced intelligence would be Windows compatible.

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    2. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by bladesjester · · Score: 5, Informative

      If memory serves, Goldblum used a Mac :P

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    3. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by B3ryllium · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have to laugh at all the people responding "He used a mac!" ... they totally missed the point of what you were saying. Namely, that the Alien AI would be adaptive and self-healing, and would totally block out Windows, leaving Mac as the only option ... :)

    4. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by mookie+t+mookle · · Score: 2, Funny

      Indeed, they used Mac OS
      (Wouldn't it be System 7 around that time?)

      Of course, Goldblum used the Powwerbook 5300- the one with the exploding batteries, so the aliens were doomed either way

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    5. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by pyrote · · Score: 4, Funny

      the Alien AI would be adaptive and self-healing, and would totally block out Windows, leaving Mac as the only option

      They have been watching us for years and protected themselves from the known operating systems of the world... thus, they completely missed seeing mac as noone had any :) well other than jeff goldbloom.

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    6. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by drolli · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, ideed. This was still the time when the idea of malware did not pentrate society to a deep level. I only asked myself: WTF the extraterrestrians build starships as big as cities but they do not protect theyr system at all (they did not even talk about skipping an protection).

      Maybe they send a mail like this:

      Dear Extraterresrtian friend,

      you have not heard of me up to now but i am sure i can trust you. I am the son of the late ruler of this planet and twenty others. However, rihgt now i can not access my power, since enemies of my family have grounded our operations. I now come with a offer to you which i make to you only because i heard of your good morale. If offer you a significant share of my imperium if you can help me to regain power on earth....

    7. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by gbobeck · · Score: 2, Funny

      Apparently, the Aliens forgot to read this security advisory: CERT(sm) Advisory CA-96.13.

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    8. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe that's feasible, but on the screen it shows the machine establishing a TCP/IP connection to the mothership. Unless they had a gateway on the fighter, that's not going to be easy...

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    9. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by DA-MAN · · Score: 4, Funny

      If the Aliens had used Windows..they wudn't have taken off their planet in the first place

      Or perhaps we now know why they crash landed in Roswell. . .

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    10. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, that was just a typo. To get what everyone else has, you need to get to adulthood without ever reading a book.

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    11. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by hey! · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe that's feasible, but on the screen it shows the machine establishing a TCP/IP connection to the mothership.

      And "Vint Cerf" sounds like a name actual human beings would give their offspring?

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    12. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by Fred_A · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't you know that in US English, you can substitute any vowel for any other ?

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    13. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by jeremyp · · Score: 4, Funny

      TCP/IP, wireless LAN, both invented after the alien spaceship crashed at Roswell. Where do you think we got the ideas from....?

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    14. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by rbanffy · · Score: 3, Funny

      So, it's safe to conclude the only Mac virus that ever existed saved the world from an alien invasion. ;-)

    15. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by rk · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's rediculous!

    16. Re:I think the all time classic is........ by Agripa · · Score: 2, Funny

      It could have worked the other way as well. We know the aliens had visited earth earlier so maybe Microsoft licensed Windows to them. This also gives them a great motive for the attack. WGA also pissed me off when it screwed up my system.

      P.S. I know Goldblum used a Mac. Why would I let that get in the way of a story about revenge on Microsoft?

  3. Jurassic Park by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "This is UNIX. I know this."
     
    The file viewer in Jurassic Park really does exist.
     
    http://fsv.sourceforge.net/

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    1. Re:Jurassic Park by bladesjester · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to mention the fact that their complaint was that a 10 year old kid couldn't know unix. I can't say that I had access to a unix system at 10 (that had to wait until I was about 15), but at 10 I was quite used to using DOS considering that it was about the only thing around.

      I really don't see how unix is such a stretch.

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    2. Re:Jurassic Park by B3ryllium · · Score: 4, Funny

      The line is delivered with such egotism and authority that she can't NOT know unix! In fact, *only* Unix admins can be that cock-sure and arrogant.

      (Sidenote: I am a Unix admin, at times.)

    3. Re:Jurassic Park by bladesjester · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, after a day of being effectively dropped off of a cliff in a car, chased by dinosuars, snotted on by a dinosuar, almost being run over by a "flock" of dinosuars, seeing your little brother get electrocuted, and come close to being eaten by dinosuars a couple of times, I have to say that, personally speaking, *I* might come off as a bit cocky if finally faced with something that I know I've got nailed. =]

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    4. Re:Jurassic Park by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with that line is that it is simply unrealistic. If the 10 year old kid had instead said "Oh crap, IRIX!" then we'd all be happy.

      Obviously if the plot called for the 10 year old kid to die horribly, they'd have used AIX. "Hey, UNIX! I know this! I...what the hell?" <splat><crunch>

    5. Re:Jurassic Park by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's quite disturbing, that kids a few years ago knew DOS and BASIC etc, because that's what their computers had...
      Nowadays, most kids are barely able to click an icon.

      I have a cousin who showed me how to program on a C64 many years ago, now after years of being stuck with windows, she can't do anything outside of the gui and even then gets stuck if any errors crop up.

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  4. Um.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Today, we're going to list the Top 10 worst violators. Here is the criteria:

    1. Has to be a movie that you can rent on DVD.
    2. Wide release, no limited release obscure films.
    3. The movie can not be science fiction based.


    Yet the number 2 movie:

    2) Jurassic Park - 1993

    1. Re:Um.... by flinkflonk · · Score: 2, Funny

      >In a world where they're cloning dinosaurs, I think it's perfectly acceptible for them to also have unrealistic technology.

      Especially their version of Unix.


      Uhm, you mean like Irix running on a Sun? (* shuffles swiftly back into his hole *)

    2. Re:Um.... by LGagnon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Michael Crichton is to science fiction what intelligent design is to science.

  5. Re:James Bond (The World Is Not Enough) by glittalogik · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe you could render it useless by installing WinCE on the nuke itself.

  6. HACKERS WAS THE GREATEST FILE EVAR!! by sentientbrendan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you can't appreciate the pure joy that was hackers, you fail as a human being.

    Hackers is great *because* it is nonsense. It is great *because* it is a total departure from reality. It expresses not how things are, but how we *want* them to be. It's called fiction.

    1. Re:HACKERS WAS THE GREATEST FILE EVAR!! by WittyFool · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Oh sweet, her laptop has a 28.8 modem! Whoa!"

    2. Re:HACKERS WAS THE GREATEST FILE EVAR!! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Oh, and the laptop with PCI oh god... it is completely hilarious.

      Uh, around the early '90s I saw a few laptops on sale with a single PCI slot. It was on the base, parallel to the keyboard, with the back plate attached to the side of the case allowing extra ports at the back of the right hand side of the case. You could use it to add things like SCSI, or extra video out, that were not present in most laptops and needed more bandwidth than 16-bit PCMCIA.

      These days, miniPCI is more common, and newer machines use ExpressCard (which includes PCIe) for the same purpose.

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  7. And the server is GONE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ladies and gentlemen, a big round of applause for The Slashdot Effect!

  8. Funny as hell by Cold_Lestat · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The best one is in Days of our lives (yes, i was young and yes i was staying with my grandmother and no I didn't have access to a car: nuff said) when it took 3 episodes to delete one text file.. Man that progress bar took for ever to get accross. ;)

    My favourite (not stupid) take off of computer security is in Demolition Man where W/Snipes uses the guys plucked eyeball to get access out of the building. ;) very choice. (NP: This wouldn't work in real life (well shouldn't ;) ))

    1. Re:Funny as hell by rilister · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh! Oh! You're gonna love this one:

      In gawd-awful NBC show "Surface" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0452718/, there was a scene when the heroine had to release the hero/nut-job from a prison cell locked with a retinal scanner. The buildings gonna blow, so she's in a hurry. Tries pressing everything, no dice.

      There just happens to be CCTV displays in the same room! yay! She manages to find full-face security footage of a guard on one of these displays (lucky!), and zooms it (say 10,000X) so just the eye is showing. No, really.

      Resourcefully, she then rips out the LCD display showing an image of a big eye and holds it up to the retinal scanner. The door pops open.

      At this point my disbelief got up, left the room and shot itself.

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    2. Re:Funny as hell by swillden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      most retinal scanners these days require the eyeball to be alive in order to detect the pattern. I think they look for an infrared signature as well? Not sure.

      None look for an IR signature that I know of, but the retinal pattern they're looking for is the pattern of blood vessels. Without blood pressure elevating the blood vessels above the surface of the retina, and blood making the vessels appear bright red, the pattern is very difficult to pick up. Also, without the socket to hold the eye in shape, the whole orb deforms which changes the shape and therefore the pattern, even assuming the scanner could pick it out without blood pumping through it.

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    3. Re:Funny as hell by Volante3192 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except that guard wasn't dead, just unconscious. Vulcan nerve pinch isn't a kill shot.

  9. Uhh... by mcc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is more like "ten films I've seen containing computers, which I will describe in belittling terms". Okay, so some of these movies really did butcher the technology they included. But some of these complaints just show a lack of imagination on the part of the article writer.

    In particular, this guy basically loses for complaining about the "This is UNIX, I know this!" scene in Jurassic Park, complaining that a ten year old girl couldn't have "magically" known that the computer was running UNIX. Okay, except that at that exact moment the computer in front of her-- hell, he even has screenshots-- was in fact showing a real world file manager / demo program that came with SGI's IRIX operating system-- which is, as it happens, a System V UNIX. You don't think it's possible that a computer geek from a rich family might have at some point in her life used IRIX, or at least used it enough to recognize a very distinctive tech demo that came with IRIX at the time and could be used as a file manager? Is it really that improbable that a ten year old might know at least enough about UNIX to know what /usr is? Or is the idea that girls don't use computers?

    1. Re:Uhh... by mcc · · Score: 4, Informative

      The funny thing is, sometime around the time Jurassic Park came out (before or after, I don't remember) I clearly remember visiting DisneyWorld with my family, and in one of the buildings at Epcot, SGI had this big display set up with some huge mainframe where they were giving demos rendering a complicated Egyptian tomb in realtime, and then there were a bunch of Indigo 2s sitting out on the floor with people to mess with. I spent most of the day just and playing with the tech demos they'd stocked up the Indy 2s with, running what in retrospect I recognize as X windows. I don't remember seeing the 3d file browser thing-- I seem to remember spending most of the time messing with a program called "New Jello", but I was just kind of clicking around at random, and maybe I saw it but didn't remember it. I would have been older than ten at the time, but not by much. I could certainly imagine someone about my age doing the same thing, randomly clicking into the 3d file system visualizer, and playing with it until they basically worked out what was going on.

      So we could possibly explain that bit in Jurassic Park entirely if "this is UNIX!" girl had at some point in the year or so before the events of the film simply visited Disneyworld.

  10. Non-Science Fiction? by MrFlannel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Since when are half of those films NOT science fiction?

    Jurrasic Park? War Games? Independance day?

    Could they please give me tickets to their dinosaur park? And, while they're at it, give the ID4 aliens my number, I'd like to have lunch sometime.

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    1. Re:Non-Science Fiction? by ebuck · · Score: 2, Funny

      While you're at it, how about a nice game of chess?

  11. Hell yeah. Worst list ever by sterno · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is really a bad list. Basically they seemed to have made a point of picking movies that naturally involve a lot of technology. They totally ignore things like Independence Day where their little virus takes out an entire alien attack fleet because, persumably, they didn't even try.

    Wargames does not deserve to be on this list. He uses an acoustic coupled modem to dial in. He hacks using realistic approaches to it, trying to guess the password. He doesn't magically use a cracking program or have little 3D graphics fly all over his screen trying to crack it. Instead he studies the biography of Professor Falken and after much trial and error actually gets it.

    Their biggest nitpick is that computer voice. The "voice" from the computer is clearly just a text to voice synthesizer which, may be a little high end but remember TI had voice synthesizers for their computers around 1980. They didn't want the audience to have to read what the computer was saying the whole damn movie. The computer AI for Joshua is seemingly quite primitive even though it's supposed to be a big defense department computer.

    As for Firewall, I think they did a pretty good job of being realistic. The scanner IPod thing was a stretch, but when they do computer security in the movie it looks like an actual computer. We see actual firewall rules and such that look like what I'd see on my actual computer. Given that it was a hollywood movie built around a very technical subject, I was pretty impressed with the realism level.

    If you really want to get picky, how about the fact that every time a computer shows up in a movie it has an Apple logo on it :)

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  12. Ain't just tech stuff either. by Entropy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hollywood can be reliablely counted on to screw _everything_ up.

    Fire 20 bullets from a six shooter. 100 bullets from a semi auto and one magazine.

    One bullet instantly kills any bad guy. (But good guys can get shot in the face and still go on to kick the bad guys ass.)

    Have a round chambered, but work the action and one doesn't pop out, but hey, "working the action is cool and scary ..".

    Lasers being visible. Lasers being audible. Audible shit in space. And no one has ever heard of Newton's laws.

    So given that we know Hollywood has such a rotten track record with the things we geeks know, I guess one thing we can rejoice about is this - all that sex the male leads are getting is just as fictional and unrealistic as the above ..

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    1. Re:Ain't just tech stuff either. by NitsujTPU · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think that the best one on this was Scarface, not only because of the inaccuracy, but because of how well it highlighted the disparity between how hard it was to kill the main characters, vs killing the other folks.

      Granted, Scarface is still a masterpiece, and a lot of this was done for artistic license.

      Still, the main characters go around shooting people in the heart, who instantly fall unconscious and dead. In the end scene, however, Pacino is being gunned down by a group of people firing automatic weapons at him. He has time to shoot into the crowd and hit them with a grenade launcher, bear in mind, he just walks out onto his balcony and takes the bullet wounds at this point. Despite this, he guns them all down, only to be shot in his midsection from behind by a character who is supposedly a top assasin sort, with a shotgun, to be killed. Not at close range. Not a headshot. Also, none of the people hitting him with their machine guns manage a headshot either in a firefight that seems to take 5 minutes despite drastically outnumbering him and consistently hitting him otherwise.

    2. Re:Ain't just tech stuff either. by bm_luethke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The worse part is how much of that people believe.

      It's not uncoommon to find people who's signifigant other has died leaving behind a handgun. The surviving member knows nothing about them, "unloads" it be removing the clip, and then forgets it. I know my cousing was going around with one pointing it at people saying "bang bang". My father (I was barely old enough to recollect it at all, let alone know much of what was going on) had a fit, he was then told "I unloaded it, it's safe". After explaining you *never* treat a gun as a toy, always loaded, he took the gun away and immediatly made it safe (lock open the slide), it had a bullet in the chamber. They assumed that hollywood removal of the clip was actually unloaded. I can irritate people when I fuss at the cops in the movie having criminals take clips out to "unload" thier guns.

      It's gotten bad enough that too many real videos are considered fake because it "doesn't look real" and people make real decisions that can impact many people based on it. In nearly 100% of the cases you can eventually track it down to "It doesn't look like in the movies". Just in firearms alone it is amazing what people think a gun can do and want to legislate against it (sometimes proposed legislation is *detrimental* to safety), and then not know it is horridly dangerous in others and just not care.

      Even those of us that are jaded about the whole thing find from time to time where hollywood has colored our ideas (for example, I know something of how several cultures fought with swords, yet I still imagine the classic hollywood edge on edge fighting). It is such a large part of our lives that it can be hard to seperate when you have no references to compare too - even if you do not like to watch too much you still see it everywhere and so much of our society believes it.

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    3. Re:Ain't just tech stuff either. by Hitto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >Lasers being visible. Lasers being audible. Audible shit in space. And no one has ever heard of Newton's laws.

      I'm pretty anal about science in sci-fi movies, but ever since I heard a tie fighter scream and saw the death star blow shit up when I was a kid, I resolved to forget about this specific "error". It's just cooler.
      It reminds me of a simpsons comic in which three über-geeks get to produce their own sci-fi film, with no sound in space, and other realistic physics, and when the movie debuts, the only spectator still in the theater is the comic book guy... The others left because real science is *boring*.

  13. Re:Hell yeah. Worst list ever by B3ryllium · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's not true. V for Vendetta had Dell logos ... ;-)

  14. Realistic Guns by sterno · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Best movie ever for accurate portrayal of shooting and ammo: Heat. That gun scene as they come out of the bank is really spot on. They are reloading constantly as you would if you were tossing off 30 round clips in that kind of situation. For the most part they fire in short bursts as well instead of just holding down the trigger and emptying a clip. The only iffy bit is how the hell they'd carry that much ammo on them, but give or take that issue, pretty solid.

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    1. Re:Realistic Guns by dmjones500 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      According to IMDB, it was the infamous "Andy McNab" who advised on weapon-related matters in Heat. Regardless, I agree: loud, scary and accurate. A very cool scene in a very cool film.

  15. Armageddon by PapayaSF · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How could they forget Armageddon? It's a movie premised on the idea that it's easier to teach oil drillers to be astronauts than teach astronauts how to drill a hole. It's got a shuttle docking on the outside ring of a rotating space station. It's got a single Russian cosmonaut refueling the shuttle through a single hose he wrestles around. It's got a nuclear bomb that must be planted exactly 800 feet below the surface of an asteroid, giving an excuse for dramatic dialog of the "Oh no! We're only at 790 feet!" sort. It's got inappropriate machine guns. It's the perfect example of a film about science and technology written and directed by Hollywood types who never took a word of advice from any pesky technical advisors.

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    1. Re:Armageddon by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 5, Funny

      And most unbelievable, a president who understands, and gives a speech in favor of, science. Man, that scene brings a tear to my eye every time.

      -Grey

    2. Re:Armageddon by sidb · · Score: 5, Funny

      It has a space shuttle that noisily swoops and accelerates into a crash landing on an asteroid with its main engines still burning at full power -- even though it has no fuel tank. That's just about every spaceflight rule in the book broken in a single scene. It's a triumph of art over reality... OK, actually, it just sucks.

  16. Re:James Bond (The World Is Not Enough) by coleblak · · Score: 3, Funny

    Actually, I'm pretty sure that device driver conflicts would activate the countdown.

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  17. Any detective series by LarsWestergren · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pick any police/detective/thriller series I've seen (American, British, Swedish...) where the officers are "searching the database". Remember to always include the following:
    1) A single huge textbox for entering search criteria. Preferably filling the whole screen.
    2) Text slowly appearing on screen, preferably one letter at a time with a blipping noise.
    3) As the search is being performed, all records must flash by the screen.
    4) If no match, the words NO MATCH must fill the screen, preferably on a multicolored flashing background.
    5) A records must fill exactly one screen. No scrolling or paging allowed.

    That crap was barely tolerable in the 80s, but these days? 75% of the population use computers daily for crying out loud.

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    1. Re:Any detective series by the_weasel · · Score: 2, Informative

      I work in visual effects for film and television, and have done some of this kind of work.

      Computer interfaces in movies and television are often nothing more than special effects. Often the performer interacting with the screen is observing a completely green screen, or a black one with white crosses in the corner. The interface is added in post production as part of the compositing pass. So it ends up being nothing more than graphics. Even the sounds of the keystrokes will be added in later.

      Having said that, in films where the interface is used frequently, or in television series where the interface persists over a season or entire series, you may well see custom interfaces created. Stargate, Earth Final Conflict, and CSI are all examples that spring to mind - the interface for a Companion Protectors wrist device needs to stay consistent, so custom software is often created to generate the basic look and feel of the screen. Mind you, I don't profess to know whether programmed interfaces actually were used for the shows I named, but if I were the VFX supervisor for these shows I likely would have had something made to at least generate the basic interfaces.

      I did do some work on a few shows in Vancouver where we employed a programmer to create custom interfaces. He had a toolkit of his own making he used to rapidly prototype UI's. This was at least 10 years ago, and flash was not up to the task at the time. I frequently used powerpoint on the same show, and all the performer had to do was press space to advance to the next screen. That technique was reserved for directors and or actors who were uncomfortable reacting to something that wasn't there. In many cases we would end up replacing the practical interface in post production anyways.

      The advantage to the powerpoint approach was that modifing the application to suit changes or rewrites was possible on set between takes, a fact which came in handy several times.

      Programmed interfaces are a lot more resistant to fast changes on the sort of deadlines series work often has. I should state though that it's been years since I last did interface work. Faced with the same tasks nowadays, I would likely consider flash much more closely, to obtain a more modern and dynamic interface. Whether it would be used would depend on how flexible and predictable the development and prototyping tools are.

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  18. Crap article... by isaac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Clearly written by a boy who wasn't tall enough to reach the ticket counter when Jurassic Park was in theaters, to say nothing of Wargames.

    Yeah, most of those movies are truly terrible (and how did they miss "The Net"?), but the 10-year-old girl in Jurassic Park (who's been of legal drinking age for almost 3 years!) was shown using a real app called FSN that was indeed contemporary with the SGI gear of 1993 - a far cry from the Macromedia Director abominations of Mission: Impossible, for sure.

    And listing WarGames - blasphemy! OK, it's ridiculous that Matthew Broderick would leave the speech synthesizer on (unless he was blind), but we (er, some people) really did use wardialers back then (well, just called them dialers before WarGames...), and man that IMSAI rig was sweet, if a little dated by 1983. Considering that typewriters still vastly outnumbered PC's at the time, the Internet had just switched over to TCP/IP, and the notion of booking an airline reservation with a home computer (fraudulently or not) was gee-whiz stuff, I'm willing to cut this movie much slack.

    -Isaac

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    1. Re:Crap article... by clickclickdrone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know definitively about the airline booking system but even back then, a lot of stuff was starting to happen. I had a friend who used to access his banking details, make transfers etc on an Atari 800 with a 1200/75 modem (who remembers those?) and PRESTEL graphic back around 1985. Equally, firms that did have online systems for their own staff's use often were somewhat lazy about protecting them from the outside world so I can well believe an airline booking system *aimed at travel agents* would be accessible to someone who'd worked out a valid id/password combo.

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  19. Mirror by Google85 · · Score: 2

    Server has been slashdotted, here's a link to the story on mirrordot

    1. Re:Mirror by Hello+Kitty · · Score: 2, Informative

      Alas, they only grabbed the first page (so far, anyway). You'll get just the first few items on the list.

  20. The Slashdoting by EEPROMS · · Score: 2, Funny

    #Shot 1 of glass office building
    Narrator: She was a innocent data entry operator, he just wanted to finnish his perl program.
    BUT! they were destined for a roller coaster ride from hell
    #Shot 2 Close up of smoking server, flickering lights
    Male Geek 1 with shocked voice: "Whats happening"
    #girl screams
    Male Geek 2: " I dont know I just posted a link to an article on one of the servers to slashot"
    Male Geek 1 shouting: "Oh my god it's going to blow"
    #Shot 3 Glass Office Building on fire lots of smoke and running people
    Narrator: if you have never seen a movie about computers this movie shouldnt be missed
    #Shot 4 Little Girl with Del Computer
    Little Girl "Daddy I can turn on your laptop"
    Father screaming "NOOOO"
    #Shot 5 Little girl getting blown to bits.
    Narrator: the slashdotting coming to a cinema near you, just pray you never get linked.

  21. WarGames is not terrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A bit unfair to my favorite movie, WarGames.
    The voice of the WOPR is a necessary cinematic element so that the audience can relate to the "character" of the computer. But consider how realistic the movie is:
    1. Wardialing is more-or-less plausibly portrayed (this is where the name comes from!)
    2. While the particular technique shown won't work the idea of phreaking a pay phone to make free calls (redboxing) is not far-fetched.
    3. The IMSAI computer was intentionally chosen as out-of-date junk that a young hacker might have found dumpster diving.
    4. My favorite: a realistic security hole created by an employee (in this case of NORAD) who attached a modem to his desk computer so that he could login from home without realizing the security implications.
    5. Hacking the school computer by reading the password taped to the desk.
    6. Back door password.

    There are some more unrealistic things such as the acoustic modem which is too fast and can dial and go on/off hook, that were added for cinematic reasons. The WOPR AI is of course totally unrealistic but necessary for the plot.

    I have never seen another movie that even attempted to portray the hacker mindset as accurately as WarGames.

  22. Re:Hell yeah. Worst list ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, it was a dystopia.

  23. The worst movie about a computer hacker by BenS350 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the worst movie about a computer guy would have to be swordfish. Creating a worm doesn't involve moving little 3-D blocks around on a computer screen.

    1. Re:The worst movie about a computer hacker by klang · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...while dancing like a retard in front of 15 screens, drinking red wine ..

    2. Re:The worst movie about a computer hacker by shotgunefx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the challenge? Break in while getting head. Yes, I imagine that's one of the keys to being a proficient blackhat.

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    3. Re:The worst movie about a computer hacker by clickclickdrone · · Score: 2, Funny

      >Creating a worm doesn't involve moving little 3-D blocks around on a computer screen.
      Pah! You clearly don't get object programming ;-)

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  24. Bonjour by Gordonjcp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Standards compliance is a wonderful thing.

  25. A mirror, but only the first page. by antdude · · Score: 2, Informative
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  26. Re:not a surprise, really by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Informative
    people fly in the air after catching a bullet, when in reality they wouldn't even fall over.


    That all depends on what they're hit with. Take a shot from a .38 police special, and you're right; you probably won't go down. Take one from a Colt .45 1911A and you will go down because that's what it was designed to do: knock people off their feet.

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  27. I guess that makes Linux equivalent to superteeth by blorg · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...or dentures?

  28. Re:I guess that makes Linux equivalent to supertee by B3ryllium · · Score: 4, Funny

    Superteeth! Repelling Plaque at every turn, by virtue of being completely incompatible with it!

  29. Re:Hell yeah. Worst list ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wargames: *I* was a cracker, hacker, and Phreak at that time. The acoustic coupler was part of the art at the time. Acoustic couplers at 110/300 baud were common. Hayes modems w/direct jacks were just on the scene for a year, maybe two at that point.

    You also have to remember that about the early 80's was the time that RJ-12 jacks and the ability to wire your own home for phone service started. Yep youngin's, time was when you got charged by Ma Bell for EACH phone in your house, and those phones came from Ma Bell. Phones were hardwired to the jack. (nb: If you disconnected the ringer bell inside the phone, and left just one on there, then you only got charged for one phone... no matter how many you had).

    The voice wasn't that far off from that which I had on my Apple ][ at the time - a "SuperTalker". Did a pretty damn good job too - quite understandable, even if it was a bit 'cyberish'.

    And how he hacked in was also 'state of the art' at the time. Anyone remember a Demon Dialer program? Nothing too tremendous - I wrote tons of them in BASIC. Essentially:

    Open modem port
    Begin for loop with all local prefixes step 1
    Begin for loop from 0000 to 9999 step 1
    If police station - skip number
    dial number
    wait for response string
    If modem - open printer port, print number out
    next
    next

    You'd fire it off at night before going to bed, wake up in the morning and review the list of numbers. Then you'd call back and see what you could hack into... Sometimes the idiot thing didn't even ask for a un/pw. Sometimes it did, but in the MOTD there was enough info to get you started...

    Sometimes you'd stumble on an entire network to explore (Telenet anyone?). VAXen, VMS, CP/M, and SCADA systems connected to phone lines....

    The only problem with the sequential dialers was the phone co got lots of complaints from everyone who you woke up, and they'd go digging for records of sequential calls every min or so... Then you'd get a nastygram from Bell Security or a call from the cops...

    The next gen Demon Dialers spiced things up a bit... Create a multi-dimensional array loaded with the prefixes and numbers. Have a bit to know if you dialed it or not, and a bit to know if it was a modem or not. Randomly pick a prefix and number to dial and check... Wait a random amount of time between 1 sec and 30 sec between dialing the next number...

    But as for the rest of the movie technology usage *yawn* it's not even close... The thing that really gets me are the schmucks who pick a lock with just a pick... WHERE'S THE DAMN TENSION WRENCH?>!?!?!?!!?!?! (oh yeah, I'm also a locksmith and a tunnel rat)...

  30. How about Battlestar Galactica? by joeflies · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As far as "science" in science fiction...

    How 'bout the way in the re-imaged Battlestar Galactica, Season 1, when Starbuck figures out how to launch, fly, and land a Cylon raider that's piloted by genetic material? There's no interface for any human-sized person to fly it, yet with a little tendon pulling, a leg jab here and there, and the raider is off and going? BTW, doesn't she need some viewscreen or two to see what's going on?

    Or does it not count once there's enough science fiction involved to override any "common sense" of what a human can do with the science available?

    1. Re:How about Battlestar Galactica? by PaulRivers · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Are you kidding? That's one of many ridiculous things in that episode, but it's not even close to the most ridiculous thing in the episode.

      When Starbuck finds the downed Cylon fighter, it has a hole by it's "eye" where she shot it. Then she gets in it, and plugs the hole with some cloth to keep the outside environment out.

      Then she flies it into space. With some cloth plugging a hole in the ship.

      That episode was already full of to many happy coincidences. A stereotypical "she's being pulled towards a cliff!" bit. The fact that the cylon fighter was somehow still intact. And it had been killed, but was still flyable. And, like you mentioned, that it just happened to be nicely sized for a human. That she could also outmanuever another good pilot in it. And frankly, it was a bit surprising to find that there was a convenient human-sized hatch she could open on the bottom of the ship. The "we can't jump until we kill the fighter!" thing at the end, despite the fact that the in the first episode all they ever did was jump when being attacked. The old "no one can ever be rescued until the absolute last minute" bit. And where did she write "Starbuck" on the wings of the fighter, and what the heck did she use to write it?...

      But plugging a hole with some cloth to form a vacuum seal...come ON.

  31. Re:We are smart, most people are not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The fun part of this is that you guys actually spent time trying to "track down this item". (Oh, I forgot - you are smart, most people are not. Right.)

  32. Re:Missing option by Spad · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well the little guys inside my PC thought it was pretty spot on.

  33. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  34. Re:This was 1993 by joggle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Would it make you feel better if I said that it wasn't likely for boys to know UNIX back in 1993 also? Jeeze, I hate how people are always trying to be PC. It's absolutely true that it was (and still is) unlikely for a typical 10-year old kid to be familiar with UNIX.

    Also, people shouldn't be modded down for simply being wrong. Other posts that are insightful should be modded up instead. You state:

    The underlying assumptions regarding ten year old girls and computers are pathetic.

    My assumptions are that 10-year old girls back in 1993 would not likely have access to UNIX since it was almost entirely only available at universities, government offices and large businesses. Most (actually all) 10 year old kids I ever knew did not have sufficient access to such locations as to be able to become familiar with UNIX. And there was very limited net access back then so learning remotely would be difficult too.

  35. Link does not work:Who is the admin by JavaIsGreat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Host 'gareth.schostpro.com' is blocked because of many connection errors; unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts' in /home/admin/domains/gideontech.com/public_html/con tent/includedb.php on line 2
    Could not connect to the MySQL Server

    1. Re:Link does not work:Who is the admin by Lars+T. · · Score: 3, Funny

      What a terrible portrayal of a working web server.

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    2. Re:Link does not work:Who is the admin by plopez · · Score: 2, Informative

      Good thing you posted as AC. Seeing how it isn't a MS webserver or DB Engine. Your handle could've been a laughing stock for years to come.

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  36. That's nothing compared to Simone by DurendalMac · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dunno if he mentioned it as the site is Slashdotted straight to server hell, but Simone was fucking horrid. Okay, so the guy has software and a wicked computer that can render photorealistic CGI in realtime. Okay. Then it has a goddamned 5.25" floppy drive in it. The fuck it would! Then he puts in a 5.25" disk called "Plague" which wipes it. Okay, that's plausible. Then he pulls all the drives, discs, basically everything with a record of this software and destroys it. Then his daughter somehow brings it all back with a keystroke, even though the damned drives were GONE!! Not to mention they were completely scrambled before they were gone! Oh yeah, and the rest of the movie sucked ass too.

  37. Re:I guess that makes Linux equivalent to supertee by ducky101 · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, I think it makes Linux equivalent to bad hygiene.

  38. Re:Missing option by joe+155 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I actually watched tron fairly recently and technology wise (for a film) it was pretty good, TRON himself seemed to be a hybrid of selinux and a firewall - which was why the MPC (here you can read "trusted computing" or WGA) hated him so much. TRON was going to monitor what all programs were doing and what systems they were accessing so that they didn't do anything inaporpriate.

    So when you think about it, although it might have seen strange at the time, the ideas were spot on; even years ahead in the public mind

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  39. true story by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Funny

    i am a film buff. so i knew about the movie swordfish a few months before it came out (from fan sites like aintitcoolnews.com, etc.), and i knew sketchy plot points about the movie, namely that it would be about illicit transfers of illicit funds

    i also used to work for a large multinational bank as a programmer. and a few months before swordfish came out, i was developing a system used by the bank for monitoring internal transfers. on a lark, i code named the system in development as "swordfish" for my own personal use as a joke

    but in email conversations with my boss, i, um, kept calling it swordfish. oops. my boss wound up raving about the system, to his bosses, to other middle management, to everyone. he started telling everyone who would listen about it because the basic idea behind the project was a sound one and it was important for the bank. unfortunately, he kept calling it "swordfish," and the name stuck and went into general use

    awareness of the swordfish project just happened to peak when the movie came out. to widespread media coverage and exposure and advertising. and the basic details about a hacker breaking into a financial computer system to transfer funds became common knowledge, even to people who didn't see the movie. and at the same time, here was my boss making an internal push to distribute this program to wider use for testing, and trying to drum up support for it amongst the higher ranking middle management... and it was called swordfish

    he stopped raving about the program, and my boss got in the habit of shaking his head and smirking every time he saw me. but we never spoke about the "coincidence". he must have gotten laughed at pretty hard on my behalf

    so the plot guys get the technical details wrong sometimes

    i am living proof that sometimes the technical guys get the plot points wrong

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  40. Re:Hell yeah. Worst list ever by Haeleth · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is really a bad list. . . . They totally ignore things like Independence Day

    Yeah, that could be something to do with the bit at the top of the article where they said they were deliberately excluding all science fiction movies.

  41. Not true by patio11 · · Score: 2, Funny

    If the had wanted to break *every* rule in the book, NASA would have *missed* the asteroid for a change.

  42. Real-life spies aren't James Bond, either by evilandi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, being a computer geek isn't interesting enough on film; they have to dramatise it.

    But this applies to pretty much every job. Do you think an average spy's day is like a James Bond film? Or do you think they spend most of their day sitting in a car drinking cold coffee whilst listening through hours and hours of dull domestic telephone calls?

    What do most eco-warriors actually do? Fight running battles on oil rigs, or spend weeks in squalid apartments searching through scientific and legal journals?

    The fact that Hollywood focusses on life's edge cases and dramatisations shouldn't come as any surprise.

    And I'm quite happy with that - I want explosions on the big screen, not on my doorstep.

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  43. I wish people would stop picking on Hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hackers was a great movie. It wasn't a tech documentary. They tried to convey a lifestyle, the emotions of script kiddies, the feeling of being immersed into technology, and a cheesy love story. On top of that the movie is full of references to actual hacker lore. No reference goes deeper than a dropped name, but I found that entertaining. When they dive into a problem, the data surrounds them. That is a fitting visual representation of "the zone". It is not meant to be an accurate reproduction of hacking. Besides, killer soundtrack.

    1. Re:I wish people would stop picking on Hackers by walt-sjc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The other problem of showing tech in a belivable way is resolution. I run my terminal windows on a widescreen (2560x1600) monitor, with a fairly small font (big monitor.) In order to capture anything meaningful and show it on someone's television, they would need to use a 120 point font. They also don't want the screen cluttered with icons, other applications, etc. otherwise the viewer would be distracted from what they want you to focus on (the story.)

      I think the thing that bugs tech people the most in movies is the bastardization of terminology. Note to studios: please hire someone with at least the education of a 12 year old to make sure that a discusssion is SOMEWHAT reasonable. Don't the studios have anyone at all on staff that has a clue? Surely they have someone who is managing the technology for them in the first place...

  44. Re:This was 1993 by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative
    My assumptions are that 10-year old girls back in 1993 would not likely have access to UNIX since it was almost entirely only available at universities, government offices and large businesses

    Minix was around for about $50 (with a book) and ran on an 8086. I recall that my father's (small) company had an old UNIX box of some description (with a 20MB hard disk!) even though they were a primarily Windows and embedded systems shop.

    386BSD was released in March 1992. GNU had been around for almost a decade and there were early versions of Linux floating around that could probably have been used by it.

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  45. Biggest bug bear with computers in movies by jackhererUK · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everyday we all use computers to do stuff and to get them to perform actions etc we click on stuff with a mouse but in a movie when anyone ever sits at a computer they get it to do stuff by typing at the keyboard. When was the last time you even say someone use a mouse on TV or in a movie. Even when it clearly shows a GUI on the screen they always issue command by typing stuff in.

  46. Re:Antitrust made the list? by itsdapead · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, I thought that was uncalled for, too. Antitrust deserves kudos for being one of the more convincing Hollywood tech movies (admittedly, an easy target). Sure, grabbing text off a screen using a hidden camera (designed and placed specifically for this purpose) and OCR software sounds tricky, but step back and look at the message: hey, it isn't true that you can automatically hack into any system in 30 seconds (especially one set up by a networking ubergeek) - sometimes you're better off with physical surveilance, honey traps etc.

    Plus, it was one of the few films where the "genius" protagonist actually wins the day by being clever and outsmarting the baddie, instead of stripping down to a vest, morphing into an action hero and chasing him up the scaffolding!

    Add to that the fact that the director actually cut out the gratuitous sex scene that detracted from the plot (Milo bonking Lisa is amongst the DVD "delete secenes") and you have a film which really doesn't deserve to be mocked.

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  47. Re:Hell yeah. Worst list ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The lockpicking sucked, but the phreaking was amazing. If you watch carefully in the scene where he calls from a phone box, you'll notice that he does a little something with the coin return while sendinding tones from a little box. That's called red-boxing - his little box create the tones for "coin inserted" - and the thing he does with the coin return is a short circuit. The short is to indicate that coin is inserted, and the tones indicate the type of coin.

  48. Re:Office Space by adevadeh · · Score: 2, Informative

    The OS in Office space was carefully crafted to mix elements from both MacOS and Windows. If you looked closer, you would see that although the window title bar is from Mac OS, the hourglass icon is from Windows. I haven't seen the movie in a long time, but I remember being amused at the way they mashed interface elements from the two OSs to make a Grand Unified OS. In addition, some of the boxes in the movie are Macs.

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  49. Re:Fantastic by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Funny
    It's your fault for reading TFA. I mean this is slashdot, nobody ever does that! ;-)
    Then why is it Slashdotted?
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  50. Re:We are smart, most people are not by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Heh. I once created a fictitious item to test a stock control system (a Sanderson running PICK) at the last place I worked. The order code I created was CIG-B&H/20 and the description was "Cigarettes, Benson and Hedges, pack of 20". When the system was replaced with a new (but reckoned inferior by everyone who had to use it) Sage Tetra system, we had to get in temps to re-enter everything from the old system into the new one (open source would have made it too easy to create our own import filter). As far as I know, CIG-B&H/20 is still on the stock control system there although there were never any kept in stores.

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  51. Re:Hell yeah. Worst list ever by CharlieG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Heh - I had a hayes direct connect - darn, remember what those things COST!! A 1200baud Hayes cost more than a computer costs now. I had a 300 baud at home, and a 1200 at the lab. Remember having to order data grade lines?

    I remember when modens came DOWN to the 200 dollar or so price mark - what a breakthrough - and remember - if you were GOOD, you could actually speedread a 300 baud text data stream - without X-on X-off

    Yeah folks - there are some OLD geeks here - I actually worked with punch cards (still have a couple of boxes of them - use them as note paper when feeling geeky) Gettting a terminal was COOL - even a 75 baud teletype. If you had a DEC Flexwriter, you were BIG time..

    Sigh

    I'll bet that I've offically been a programmer (aka getting paid for it) longer than MOST people on /. are alive (anyway by the last poll I saw)

    Gahhh - can't believe I said that - man I'm feeling like an old fart today. Ran into a YL yesterday who recognized me - and she said "hi" and offerered me her cheek - took me a few seconds to realize it was a friend's daughter who I have not seen in 2 years. I remember holding her while she was in diapers.

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  52. If you enjoy this... by kria · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you enjoy this kind of thing, I also recommend the Insultingly Bad Movie Physics page. Includes information about the bad physics that crop up all the time, and reviews of particular movies. Most recent article piece on the site? "Bioinformatics and Hollywood".

  53. oblig by plopez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    they should've used a *real* database engine.

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  54. Re:Jurrassic Park by GuanoTO · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hate to prove you wrong (not really), 3D Filesystem Navigator http://www.sgi.com/fun/freeware/3d_navigator.html was released in 1992 by SGI.

    Incidentally, SGI provided the hardware for the Jurassic Park control room, not to mention it was also the hardware platform for the rendering farm. So it's not entirely too far-fetched to presume that the SGI techs assigned to the JP project might have shown someone the "really cool" file manager.

  55. Re:Hell yeah. Worst list ever by fuzzybunny · · Score: 3, Funny

    You had modems?

    Young'un. Spoiled brats with their newfangled tech. IN MY DAY, WE SPEEDREAD ACOUSTIC PHONE SIGNALS DIRECTLY INTO THE DAMN RECEIVER. KZZZCHHHHZKKKKZHHHTTTTKKKCHZZZZZZZZBLEEEEEEP. Hoarse for days, I tell you. And all that clicking on connect? That's an obscure Bantu dialect of Swahili. I tell you. When you said you learned a new language, it was a real language, not that that object-oriented fiddlesticks you have today. Internet? We'd just SHOUT PACKET CONTENTS at each other REAL LOUD.

    That is, when we weren't busy touching live wires together to program in binary. There's a reason why a lot of 1970s hackers had huge frizzy hair. I tell you. Computing got a lot more interesting after electricity was invented.

    Man, I'm an old fart too, but I so hate old-school technology downmanship :-)

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  56. Re:Jurrassic Park by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Starts flying around in some 3D interface. In 1996.

    Everyone knows that computers were only 2-dimensional in the 1990's. That's why Y2K was such a big deal. When the third millennium began, and brought with it a third dimension, the old 2D computers couldn't handle it.

  57. MCP was an actual OS by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Master Control Program name came from the OS for a series of Burroughs mainframes starting with the B5000. The MCP itself was quite a revolutionary piece of software, being the first OS to be fully written in an HLL, the first OS to have virtual memory, and so forth.

    Alan Kay consulted for Tron, and he was quite a fan of the Burroughs; the tagged-data architecture the Burroughs used (a precursor to a similar idea used in Lisp Machines), and the code+data storage method on another Burroughs machine, the 220, both influenced the way Smalltalk and object-oriented programming developed.

    By the way, the MCP lives on today, in the Unisys ClearPath architecture. Remember that next time you go to the bank or make an ATM withdrawal (due to their legendary stability, MCP systems were widely used by financial institutions). :)

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  58. Re:One gimick that always cracks me up.... by grumbel · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Or maybe that kind of software DOES exist?

    Algorithms to create hires pictures from multiple low resolution images do exists, its called super resolution. It is also possible to extract 3d data from 2D photos or videos and there are algorithms around that can put an unsharp out-of-focus image back into being a sharp image with proper focus. So having unsharp source data and usable end results is not unthinkable, however pretty much all movies and tv shows just go way beyond what is technically doable and turn into something completly ridiculous. Which is really shame, since with a little bit of extra effort they should be able to come up with something that is actually believable.

  59. Re:Hell yeah. Worst list ever by BrianTung · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Jurassic Park (#2) holding on line two.

  60. Worst list ever - A detailed guide to why by The+Rizz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This list was horribly written and conceived. Almost nothing in the entire list was unattainable at the time the movies were made.

    #10 - Wargames
    Simply put, the idea of a computer talking to you after you 'hack' into it is laughable in this day and age.
    The computer "talking" to him was it asking things in natural language (as it was programmed to do) mixed with the guy having a text-to-speech program (which did exist at the time).

    #9 - The Italian Job
    Below is an image of a wire frame display on his laptop that shows a Mini Cooper making rounds. Seth now makes a wire frame program that follows a Mini around perfectly through walls?
    It's been over a year since I saw this, but IIRC the whole "wire frame Mini" part was Seth watching a computer simulation of what the Minis were supposed to be doing - the same simulation you saw him plotting out the heist with just a few minutes earlier in the movie.

    #8 - Antitrust
    One scene that jumps right out is the ability for the security team to lift code off a computer screen via a security camera.
    At high enough resolution, or with good interpolation software, why not? Besides, if you can reconstruct everything someone types by listening to the keystrokes, I'm perfectly willing to accept a high-res camera being used to read text when pointed at a screen.

    #7 - Hackers
    this film is borderline comedy
    Uhhh... actually it was a comedy. (Action/comedy, but comedy nonetheless.)

    One obvious failure of technology here is the ridiculous flying through sequences of the supercomputer. Not only is all the data stored in what looks like skyscrapers, it's also technicolored like a crazy rainbow.
    So eye-candy and stylistic design makes everything else in the movie fradulent? The whole "skyscrapers computers" visual motif worked just fine when you think about what it was meant for.

    Hackers is actually one of the most accurate portrayals of computer technology and hacking/cracking/phreaking in a movie if you ignore the visuals and ignore the crap added to appeal to the masses. Listen to the dialogue. Think about what they're doing. It all actually makes sense.

    #6 - Transporter 2
    French officer in the police station, he looks up a criminal on the computer. Within a few seconds, that information is magically beamed to Frank's car. How in the world did they sync up? How did the computer at the police station know where Frank was?
    I've never seen the movie, but I can hazard a guess: Satellite internet service (or similar wide-range wireless options) + FTP or other transfer protocol + static IP or dyndns.org.

    #5 - Swordfish
    I never knew worms and viruses looked like little gems.
    Once again, complaining about visual elements rather than actual use of technology.

    #4 - Goldeneye
    With the ability to 'spike' remote computer systems, Boris is the most powerful hacker in the world.
    I haven't seen this in over 10 years, and have forgotten what this is even referring to. I have no intention to see it again to find out what this is talking about, but the rest of the movie was so bad there's a decent chance they're actually right on this one... but then again, this list is so bad they probably aren't.

    #3 - Mission: Impossible
    The emails he tries are not even formatted correctly. Also, his un-canny ability to find information through graphical newsgroups is something else.
    Once again, I haven't seen it in 10 years and will never see it again. They do sound right on the money in their complaint (backed up with screenshots this time), so I'm going to give them the thumbs up on this one.

    #2 - Jurassic Park
    he grand-daughter of the park's owner, sits down at a computer terminal. Like magic, she exclaims "This is UNIX, I know this!". Where on this planet is there a 10 year old girl who knows and can under