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Steve Chen Making China's Supercomputer Grid
nanotrends writes "Steve Chen was the principal designer of the Cray X-MP supercomputer. He recently created multi-teraflop blade based supercomputers for a Chinese company. He is now creating a supercomputer grid across China and he is working on a bio-supercomputer extension to
human brains called THIRD-BRAIN. The THIRD-BRAIN project has significant 3 year and 5 year targets."
I wonder if anyone has tried adding a bunch of high performance GPU chips into the mix (e.g. NVidia or ATI's can run at close to 1 TFlop), or hook together a bunch of PS3 Cell chips? I realize these are more specialized, but they are SO fast that augmenting classic commodity chips with these specialized chips seems like it could greatly boost performance.
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>He is now creating a supercomputer grid across China
Can you see it from space?
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Why is nobody commenting about this THIRD BRAIN thing ? This is the first time I hear about it, and the first time I hear about a serious government funded initiative for a brain-machine interface...
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It isn't. From the article, the guy right now has nothing and plans to implement what the entire AI field has been trying to do for years and years. He doesn't mention any new or innovative techinques he is applying to the problem -- only a boatload of unfounded confidence.
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Different guys.
It seems as though the team is working primarily on the number crunching power at the moment - which is all good and well. But when queried about the AI aspect, he says that they will just have to research it, even after the interviewer points out many other people have been working on this. I think he greatly underestimates the problem! Saying that all other AI researchers have not had an integral approach is a bit lacking as an answer to me.
Put yourself together. Chinese people are not eating you, not without you cooked in our way.(see Chinese Food).
.5 billion of our folks to your neighborhood, to make the human resource, the human right, and the population, of both countries, even. this could be an idea to ease your nerve.
Seriously a diesel submaine can do nothing to endanger a carrier fleet, if not making itself a firework. and remember, american's claws has alreay been on our door in Taiwan Strait, in East sea, in Japan, in South Korea and everywhere asian. Back few years ago, it's an american spy plane which literally hit down a Chinese fight jet just few koilmeters away from China's coast. it's you, americans always want to war with someone, not Chinese.
Talking about human life, yes, human resource is inexpensive here in contrast to other part of the planet. it's just because of the number we got,it's not about the value we hold towards the human life. honestly if any possible, i hope we can move
China, in fact, is very fragile.
and he is working on a bio-supercomputer extension to human brains called THIRD-BRAIN. The THIRD-BRAIN project has significant 3 year and 5 year targets.
Why call it Third Brain? I'm not terribly familiar with Anatomy, but I thought humans only had one brain. (Well, unless you're a guy. Then you've got an extra one in your pants that does most of the thinking)
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You mean the same Dalai Lama who used to have a middle-age style feudalism on the back of the peasents back when Tibet was still a sovereign nation?
Well, turnabout hurts, but nobody cries when the US sucks the brains out of international academics, even though they armed slimebags like hussein, and destabilized whole continents (how many dictators own their job the cia?).
That nothwithstanding, the guy really is a blowbag, and his claims are void of any kind of reason, or techological background.
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You cannot even talk about their dumb leaders after electing Bush.
Maybe someone comes up with moral enough to make speeches. This is not America, though.
Strange... Call me crazy, but this reeks of Cyber-brains from Ghost in the Shell. XP
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Guess who also supports them? Cisco, Yahoo, Microsoft, Google, IBM, etc...
It's also quoted in the article that the guy desigend some of Cray's supercomputers. So who's stealing from who?
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"He is now creating a supercomputer grid across China and he is working on a bio-supercomputer extension to human brains called THIRD-BRAIN"
Why did you jump from 1st brain to 3rd brain? WHERE IS THE 2nd BRAIN?
someone stole the 2nd brain! call 9-1-1!
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How come that China is a threat to anyone in this planet?
Have the nuked anyone?
Have they attacked defenseless poor countries?
Have they messed up other countries causing civil wars?
The colour of that kettle has nothing to do with the pot.
Keep thinking that every other country can do whatever they want because you think the US is evil, though. I'm sure someday you'll see how much of a complete tool you are. Too bad it will probably take a nuke and several tens of thousands of innocent lives first.
I've got the first shot of THIRDBRAIN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ageofsteel.jpg
A supercomputer is not better, because it is distributed. In fact distributed computing power is useless except for some very specific problems. All this "gird" nonsense does not solve a real problem, but serves to keep initiatives alive that were dead a decade ago when they were started.
An this nonsense about extending the human brain? Have we not heard enough of this in the last 30 years or so? Having ''significant goals'' will not prevent this from being another case of lying to the public....
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
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I personally had no idea that a lot of the stuff mentioned there was still going on inside China. I mean, torture, concentration camps? WTF?
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As opposed to American Democratic four year non-plans which achieve nothing of historical note and abdicate national planning to corporations motivated only by profit for the shareholders?
Personally, I'd rather die for my country working on a plan of significance even if it fails, rather than live my life in the meaningless no mans land of corporate quarterly statistics.
Capitalist Democracy fosters national inaction, for if an elected body achieves something significant it only represents a risk to re-election and corporate support. The less a democratic government achieves, the more successful it is.
It is a horrifying future for humanity, and now that the meme of capitalism has spread to the formerly communist nations of Eastern Europe and Asia it represents a genuine threat to the future survival of the human race.
Back in the day we called it "Y2K consulting", today it's "Supercomputer grid consulting". The main difference is this guy has friends in the business whose products he will be pushing for a nice kickback, in addition to his hourly fee.
Any twit can write "Qty: 1000" next to a system order when someone else is footing the bill.
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...and from the looks of it, it appears to make people go insane... http://www.threebrain.com/
So I guess you would have been a proponent of things like the Chinese Cultural Revolution. Yeah, it was great. I hear there was even cannibalism. Or think of some of Stalin's wonderful 5-year plans. Also, the USA is not a democracy - it is a republic which uses democratic processes (I assume your comment of "four year non-plans" was referring to US presidential terms). I find it humorous that you feel the spread of capitalism to former communist areas is a "threat to the future survival [sic] of the human race." Are you serious? Certainly, capitalism has its flaws and will someday (hopefully) be replaced with a better system. But do you truly believe that communism is the answer? Why don't you look at the record of communism? Do you really believe that Stalin's artificial famines are better than capitalism's corporate farms? Instead of expressing your admittedly warranted anger at the US's policies in an ignorant fashion you should do some research so that you are able to add to the discussion/process in a reasonable and thought-out manner.
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Actually, diesel-electrics are said to be much quieter and harder to detect than nuclear submarines. I remember reading a few years ago that an Australian diesel-electric, in exercises, was took out the carrier in a carrier group.
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Ah, here it is:
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In a 2003 joint naval exercise, three Collins-class submarines reportedly "sank" two American Los Angeles class attack submarines and a US aircraft carrier, supporting the claims of defect resolution and combat effectiveness
Here's a description of the US/Australian exercise: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/09/23/1064
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I'm surprised that nobody's asked about why there's no mention of a SECOND BRAIN? Has china already developed that one? Or are they just skipping a brain?
> "bio-supercomputer extension to human brains"
Um... I'm from dairy country, and have learned to identify bullshit quite accurately.
Especially when a cow-pie crawls up your leg and bites you on the ass.
Sir, I have been bitten.
``only a boatload of unfounded confidence.''
Well, isn't that what made America so great?
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
Maybe ten years ago it required a national plan, today individuals & companies are making their way into space and space travel. Maybe you missed the story that the $20 million tickets to space are SOLD OUT until 2009 I think that demostrated market demand is what Virgin & that other guy are hoping to sell their space traveling ticket to.
As people aquire more wealth and free time, they will be able to fund more exotic items like space travel.
Yes, I agree capitalism has flaws... what system doesn't? Corruption is a difficult thing to counter, even in a system with checks&balances.
Ignorance is bliss.. or "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa... not kicking & screaming like the passengers in his car."
If the govt becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law, it invites man to become his own law, it invites anarchy
Sounds great! Who's going to be the first sucker- er- I mean brave volunteer to beta test it?
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he designed the Cray XMP in US, now the one he worked on in China is a new design.
i think what you meant should be "his technology"...
This is in no small part due to government agricultural subsidies, but the fact that these subsidies continue despite the fact that they actively undermine our health has to say something about the power our government grants business.
Meanwhile, the wages of the poorest 40% of Americans have hardly budged since the 1970s, while the richest 1% of Americans now own about half the wealth in this country. Is that the sort of economy anyone would plan, or anyone would ask for? Besides the aforementioned 1%, I mean.
In a way, we have the worst sort of mix of private and public: a government which allows business to write its rules. Capitalism is no more a panacea than communism. Global capitalism isn't all prosperity and health and flat-screen TVs; it also brings wage arbitrage, huge wealth inequalities, unsustainable overconsumption, sweatshop labor, and a host of other problems. In your rush to defend the good aspects of the free market, you shouldn't ignore its pitfalls and limitations.
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wtf? for the last time, America = Liberalism. drop your guns or die! why cant anyone understand that?! If all the armies in the world would accept this do you think there would be any more war? no because the age of cannibalism is OVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
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What?
(sorry, but it is true, I call it like I see it)
Maybe a trip to the optometrist is in order?
What?
The Cerebellum and the Cerebrum are the first two--in Latin(and in translation to most other languages), the words mean "big brain" and "small brain", although with a slight loss of accuracy.
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depression... when it happens to me, i call it depression.... unfortunately, i have found nothing which can fix it.
Does it go on forever?
The 'sic' was in response to your use of 'future survival.' It is obvious that any survival is necessarily in the future - thus you repeat yourself when you use it. I also believe that I was quite clear in saying that I hope capitalism is one day replaced with something better. I also "attacked" communism because you say that it is superior to capitalism - this is foolish and you seem unable to address any of the specific points I made about failures in communism. Also - I find your attribution of a certain 'attitude' to myself to be funnier even than your assertion that communism is better than capitalism. Once again I must suggest that you do your research so that you are able to add constructively to the process and not resort to ad hominem attacks about my "attitude." What exactly do you think should replace capitalism? P.S. - I did not misuse 'sic' - from dictionary.com - denote that a word, phrase, passage, etc., that may appear strange or incorrect has been written intentionally or has been quoted verbatim.
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huge wealth inequalities
I've never understood this point.
There are huge inequalities in the world in intelligence, in musical ability, athletic ability, application, perseverance, etc.
Why would anyone expect that moneymaking ability should be different from all the other abilities? I mean do you complain that musical ability in the world is unfairly distributed?
In other words, the key problems are in areas where we don't have free markets, but substantial government interference which in turn results in a lot of rent-seeking and other behavior that concentrates wealth and even harms the health of US citizens.
PS, why do people keep refering to Cuba like the comparison were valid? Cuba (and other dictatorships like it) is know to distort statistics like this. And the statistics aren't the same. For example, stillbirths aren't routinely counted as infant deaths, and there are a number of premature babies with serious health problems born in the US that would be counted as stillbirths in Cuba.You missed the point - capitalism is the threat to the future of humanity. It is what virtually guarantees that global warming will exterminate us. If not that, then some other environmental disaster which will result from the unbelievably naive idea that the market can grow indefinitely on a finite resource base. As long as we do not have successful interstellar colonization, capitalism is irresponsible and a recipe for disaster. By definition capitalism is incapable of achieving successful interstellar colonization.
You are batting around a strawman. Capitalism is merely an efficient way to move around "scarce" (ie, finite) resources. Externalities like carbon dioxide emissions are easy to factor in. Just make the cost of emitting a unit of CO2 (through taxes or a carbon market) equivalent to the actual cost it imposes. Growth is merely an outlook or expectation of the future. I think it is justified because of the massive amount of infrastructure both physical and social, and elevating billions of people out of poverty. Ie, the economy of the world is growing and has been doing so for centuries in terms of resources, infrastructure, technology, and population. If at some point, growth stops, then capitalism is an great way to adjust expectations to a zero growth world.
End to poverty? Clearly you do not understand how capitalism works. Capitalism requires poverty to work.
No, it merely requires that the parties have material needs and have something to trade in exchange. Having an extreme need is counterproductive since that often forces the party to resort to tactics like theft or extortion that undermine capitalism and can destroy infrastructure.
Capitalism as a solution to global warming? Laughable. Show me the profit in that.
There will be considerable profit in replacement and sequestration technologies once fossil fuel burning becomes expensive either due to global warming costs or "peak oil" scenarios.
And end to wars like those of the 20th century? Just wait, you have not seen anything yet. Capitalism is the perfect machine for war.
Yes, it is for producing war material. But wars are also vastly unprofitable for capitalist societies as a whole. It breaks expensive things including people who will require expensive care. And the risks involved are extraordinary. My take is that we won't see serious wars between two capitalist societies unless one or both are extremely unhealthy and on the verge of breaking down.
The problem with the abdication of plans for humanity to corporations governed by the principles of capitalism, is that they are not responsible and accountable to the people, they can hide behind puppet governments giving the people the illusion of control over their nation and the future of humanity. Sorry, but the "invisible hand" is not adequate for this juncture in history, we need planning with intelligence behind it, not the haphazard and irresponsible philosophy of the market.
Puppet governments? So you're really saying is that as usual the problem is in badly managed government not in some concept of capitalism? And why should "the people" automatically have a say in what a business does? Most of the time, it's simply not relevant to society what a business does as long as they conform to the laws of the land. For a government, virtually everyone pays for and receives some sort of benefit from government. So it matters what that government does and they should have a say in its operation. But a business often has a very narrow scope. Eg, it sells flavored carbonated water. So it's affairs really matter only to the customers, employees, owners, and anyone else who happens to have some sort of dealing with that business. Capitalism provides a great means by which to mediate between the interests of those parties without involving society or government in it.
I have thought this through completely over decades, capitalism is fatally flawed and extremely dangerous to the
> WHERE IS THE 2nd BRAIN?
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In your gut.
The enteric nervous system is a bunch of neurons in the lining of your digestive system that are complex enough to be called a brain in their own right.
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The Chinese get their money to invest in this stuff because we keep purchasing cheap shit at Walmart. I'm not picking on Walmart per se it's just that we are addicted to buying cheaply made gizmatrons made in China a cut rate prices and we gota have them. We are boosting the Chi Coms by doing this and 1. I read the other day that some clown had sold the Chi Coms the plans to the steal bomber and now this, what a great deal, they got our telemetry and guidance systems thanks to Former Pres. Clinton and now the bomber shit and with this third brain crap the'll use it to bury us
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Wasn't the "Third Brain" a Macguffin in the Spykids franchise?
That's a completely different issue. Eugenics aside, we have no control over the distribution of the talents you listed. But as a society, we have a lot of control over how wealth is distributed.
If you're trying to say that some of these attributes just naturally lead to making more money, then I'd agree. I'm fine with the fact that one person can earn more than another. What I have a problem with is income that is not earned: income generated entirely by ownership of some business, property, etc. I'm an unrepentant communist, in the sense that I believe that the wealth generated by a business should go to the people doing the work, and that mere ownership confers little value.
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Here's a challenge: Name me the country that has fewer controls on its health care system, yet delivers better health outcomes. I can name plenty of countries where people live longer, and plenty where less is spent per capita. But in all those cases, the government is more in control of how health care is distributed, not less.
Come to think of it, name the free market paradise where the food industry is both lightly regulated and primarily devoted to delivering the sort of food that will keep people healthy, instead of clogging arteries and turning its citizens into porkers.
I have little hope that this free market utopianism, if implemented, could do anything beyond lining the pockets of the rich. Meanwhile, every country I perceive as having a better quality of life has a more stringent approach to regulating business than the U.S.
While it's not easy to compare infant mortality rates between the two countries, it's safe to say that Cuba has an impressive health care system. Cubans live about as long as we do, even though we spend more per person on health care than Cubans spend on everything put together.
Further, unless Cuba is flat-out lying about their infant mortality numbers (not just adding them up differently), they're doing stunningly well with regard to infant mortality. The U.S.--which has far greater resources to tackle the problem--is a pathetic underachiever by comparison.
Some of America's poor performance may be attributable to different ways of collecting statistics, and to more active intervention in the cases of very high-risk births. But you're ignoring the role played by inadequate prenatal care, poor nutrition, poverty, and inadequate access to health care. It's hard to respect such a Panglossian attitude when there are plenty of better outcomes staring us in the face. Cuba, for its many faults, shows what can come of a government that is devoted to ensuring that everyone has access to basic medical care. The United States, for all its wonders, delivers terrible health outcomes at exorbitant rates, because it marries an obsession with technological gadgetry and a complete lack of interest in making sure that everyone has the basics.
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Canada. Gets the best of both worlds. Access to cheap government subsidized health care, and just south is the US.