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Why the iPhone Keynote Was A Mistake

jcatcw writes "Mike Elgan at Computerworld lists six reasons why it was a mistake to make the iPhone keynote at Macworld. He argues that extremely high expectations can only lead to disappointment for consumers and investors. The focus on the phone during the keynote also took away from the Apple TV announcement, put iPod sales at risk, gave competitors a head start, and (perhaps worst of all) ruined the company's talks with Cisco over the iPhone name. From the article: 'The iPhone, despite its many media-oriented virtues and its sweet design, will do far less than most existing smart phones. The problem Apple now faces because of Jobs' premature detail-oriented announcement is that of dashed expectations. When customers expect more and don't get it, they become dissatisfied.'"

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  1. 6 months! by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 5, Funny

    The worst thing is the amount of time there is for your significant other to hear about the new iPhone and hide the credit cards before release day.

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    1. Re:6 months! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My contract with Verizon expires in May. I'm going to use the iPhone launch to get the sweetest deal possible out of those guys when I renew.

      Yes I'm a coward. Who isn't afraid of what the Apple fanboys can do to their karma?

    2. Re:6 months! by NosTROLLdamus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Me.

    3. Re:6 months! by CleverBoy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The announcement was fine. Given the breath of reports on this phone (competing phones, trademark disputes, other), to NOT make an announcement is to simply NOT CONTROL the perception of the news when it breaks. Seriously. I can respect that the author of this article sees problems with the announcement, but the benefits FAR outweigh the detriment. To miss that is to miss the point.

      1. Cingular gets to gauge consumer interest
      2. Customers can plan accordingly with respects to their phone agreements (big point)
      3. Customers can plan accordingly with respects to their savings (medium point)
      4. They answer HIGH expectations around a new iPod release (big criticism)
      5. Accessory makers have 6 months to plan (avoiding the criticised "shock" effect)
      6. Customers can educate themselves about product expectations

      --And the list goes on. Wait until the phone comes out before prenouncing "what went wrong", especially if there's no indication that anything isn't going according to plan. 6 months is a long time. We're still in month 1. There'll be plenty of time to second guess this month 3-4 months from now.

    4. Re:6 months! by TheoMurpse · · Score: 5, Insightful
      4. They answer HIGH expectations around a new iPod release (big criticism)
      And this is why I expect a widescreen iPod announcement sometime this year. The author of the article argues that this phone will eat into iPod sales this year, because it's not supplementary, but rather a direct competitor to the iPod line. However, Apple has now proven that they have the desire and technical ability to put out a pretty-looking widescreen iPod. Now they just need to put out one with a large hard drive. I suspect this year will see an iPod 6G with widescreen and a very large hard drive (hasn't the hard drive manufacturer hit 100 or 120GB now?).

      And if I'm wrong, at least I still get modded +5 Insightful ;)
    5. Re:6 months! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You fail to consider the large quantity of people who are NOT on Cingular, yet have a contract that will end in the next 6 months. By announcing the iPhone, you attract those people to Cingular, or at the very least, they will stay month-to-month with another provider until the iPhone release.

      The iPod market, as we've been hearing for the past months, is saturated. iPods are everywhere. There's more competition from other manufacturers. How much longer do you expect Apple to sit and sell the current batch of iPods? The cell phone and DAP markets have been merging for the past 2 years. Do you really think Apple is going to sit back and ignore that market? Apple isn't going to give up on the DAP market, but they can't ignore the PDA/MP3/cell phone market either.

      The functionality of the iPhone might be less than the current batch of PDA's, but what functionality is most important? Is Apple going after the business market? Are they expected to go after Blackberry? Or Palm? I have a Treo 700W. I can play MP3's and video. I have a 2gig SD card. If I had the opportunity to switch without penalty, I'd do it.

      Frankly, Apple will do well with the iPhone. I'm normally an early adopter. In this case, I'll be tied to Verizon for another year, and even then, my employer may not be excited about supporting an iPhone. Which leads me to my last point... the iPhone isn't going to penetrate biz markets much... but it will cause people to WANT to change... and that will alter the way the PDA/Phone market develops over the next few years. The Blackberry's around work do not play MP3's. They don't play video. Some of them browse the internet. But the functionality is limited to mostly email. If it came down to a Blackberry or an iPhone, I'd take an iPhone. If it came to an iPhone and a Treo 700W, 700P, or 750P, I'd take the Treo.

    6. Re:6 months! by slippyblade · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh my god, you are a funny man. If you have EVER worked in a retail environment then you'd realize half of your comment was a waste of bytes. Consumers, as a general rule *DO NOT DO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING*!

      2. Customers can plan accordingly with respects to their phone agreements (big point)
      3. Customers can plan accordingly with respects to their savings (medium point)
      6. Customers can educate themselves about product expectations

      "Plan accordingly" and "Educate themselves" are the last thing the average Joe Sixpack does in this society. The sheer number of idiots I deal with on a daily basis asking questions like, "Xbox games work on the PlayStation, right?" proves to me that planning and education are far down the list of consumer priorities. "Get eyebrows waxed" has higher priority to todays consumer!

    7. Re:6 months! by mabhatter654 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      the most important thing is that Apple has to submit the device to the FCC for approval on all those radio frequencies. At that point most of the details become public as the FCC testing notes are "public record" so it's better for Apple to nip the rumor mill and take all the media hype for itself.

      that said, the [Apple]TV really got the short stick this round. That was supposed to get the spotlight and Steve dropped the ball. They didn't show us anything about it we didn't already know, so all the fan hype has been very negative. And we can't even BUY it yet!!

    8. Re:6 months! by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      ""Plan accordingly" and "Educate themselves" are the last thing the average Joe Sixpack does in this society. The sheer number of idiots I deal with on a daily basis asking questions like, "Xbox games work on the PlayStation, right?" proves to me that planning and education are far down the list of consumer priorities. "Get eyebrows waxed" has higher priority to todays consumer!"

      Largely.....I agree with you.

      However, I think the consumer that can easily afford an iPhone would be a slightly different case. Those can can easily afford it will get it immediately, those that are on the cusp of affording it easily, will plan ahead so they can get one when it comes out, or shortly thereafter.

      Most every conversation I've had with people that are interested in getting an iPhone mention right off to bat 'how much longer their current contract with x phone company will last before they can switch to Cingular so they can get an iPhone.'

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    9. Re:6 months! by shmlco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ".. the average Joe Sixpack .."

      Which, BTW, is NOT the target market. Not to mention the fact that Joe Sixpack also tends not to be an early adopter.

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    10. Re:6 months! by cadeon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Haha, you're still only +4.

    11. Re:6 months! by IANAAC · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The Blackberry's around work do not play MP3's. They don't play video. Some of them browse the internet. But the functionality is limited to mostly email. If it came down to a Blackberry or an iPhone,

      You might want to take a look at the current crop of Blackberrys. I own a Pearl and it does everything you say it can't. Effortlessly. And what you say is "limited to mostly email" can't be discounted. It's quite important to many people, an Apple is counting on its success with its own phone as well.

      On a side note, when I went to the Cingular store to buy by Pearl, there was a woman there that was talking about waiting for the iPhone. She saw my phone and started asking questions. Once she saw waht it was capable of, she bought one too. She said she still will consider buying an iPhone in June when they're released, but frankly, if the iPhone doesn't offer significantly more than the smartphones already on the market, I don't see how it'll survive. Especially at the price they're quoting for a two year contract.

    12. Re:6 months! by DikSeaCup · · Score: 2, Informative
      In addition, this is not a company who will stand still ... I wonder what their beta products look like? WiFi maybe? Course, it will have the FCC to contend with ... but so will all the other WiFi capable cell phones coming out ...

      Funny thing about the BlackBerry; they don't have a touchscreen. From what I understand, they don't need it, and their testing probably indicates that the standard scroll wheel interface they use now is just "better", and the less you have things touching the screen, the better.

      This is one reason why I think the iPhone is going to be a disappointment to a lot of folks who get them. I went to Apple to take a look at their plans, and when I went into the "How do I send an SMS message?" thing and saw the touch screen keyboard pop up, I thought to myself: "Great, another way people will muss up their screen and probably end up scratching the darn thing in the long run.

      I just recently got a BlackBerry 8703e (dropping a Treo 650) and I must say - I'm happier with the BlackBerry. No stylus to contend with, the push function for email just "works" (where the push function for Sprint's Business Connect didn't always, based usually on when they upgraded the software) ...

      The only drawback of a BlackBerry I've seen so far is that (at least with Sprint, and probably some other providers), there's always a "BlackBerry specific" data plan you have to be put on when you get one. And those data plans are always more expensive than other "unlimited data plans" available from the cell provider, because they *know* you'll be using the data constantly (my 8703e is always connected to the data network).

      Thing is though, between Jabber and the Google Talk program for BlackBerry, I have my AIM, MSN, and Google Talk contacts on my BlackBerry. I get my Google Mail on it. And, I get my work email on it (it'd be nice if work had a BES, but worst case I could always put one on the network myself if I had to). There isn't a "full sync" of my mailboxes, but that's only a "nice thing to have" - and then only because there's older mail I'd like to see, and some mail stored in sorted inboxes I'd like to have, too. On the other hand, it's better off for me that I don't have some of that email, as it would just result in me doing more work when I'm not actually at work. And as a consolation, I can set up so that messages from my main inbox get sorted into other boxes at sync time.

      Movies aren't a big deal for me. MP3s, honestly, aren't a big deal for me (if I want music, I get my iPod, which I usually only end up using when riding my bike or on an air plane). More storage would be nice (I think the 8703e only has 64MB and no mem card slot), but I haven't had an issue running out of space yet. No camera was, in a way, a selling point.

      The device, while slightly wider than my Treo, is shorter and thinner, and lighter.

      You can't yet use it as a Bluetooth modem for a Mac, like I could my Treo ... but you can use it as a modem for a Windows machine with the USB cable, and probably Bluetooth too if you wanted, and maybe USB/Mac (haven't tried it yet).

      I dunno - talk to me in 6 months when it's no longer a new toy, I guess.

    13. Re:6 months! by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2, Informative

      They can't. Before any device with a transmitter....enabled or disabled....is released, it must receive a FCC Type Acceptance. The reason this exists is so that the FCC can make sure that the iPhone does not mess with your HDTV and vice versa.

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  2. still by polar+red · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I still think the iphone will sell a lot, apple is still riding the coolness factor they created with the ipod.

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    1. Re:still by pboyd2004 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The author really isn't trying to make that argument. He's just saying the announcement this early in the game was a bad idea.

    2. Re:still by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Informative

      The trouble is that Apple apparently had no choice, because it needs FCC approval which would have made the device public anyway.

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    3. Re:still by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Funny

      grad-student worshiping Hey, I'm a grad student! Where do I sign up for worshipers? Or even a few minions...
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    4. Re:still by yoasif · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Most of the people out there with iPods probably think Family Guy is hilarious (and original!), and wouldn't get half the jokes on South Park, let alone watch C-SPAN for more than 5 minutes.

      I've had an iPod for a pretty long time, and I do happen to think that Family Guy is pretty funny. But I also get (all?) the jokes on South Park, and I watch CSPAN on occasion (for more than 5 minutes at a stretch).

      Personally, I think it's laughable to consider South Park that much higher than Family Guy; with the exception of a small number of episodes, South Park requires no great intelligence to interpret, and they are both fairly funny.

    5. Re:still by vought · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The author really isn't trying to make that argument. He's just saying the announcement this early in the game was a bad idea.


      Something Apple has been held to task for here before - the company is notoriously secretive and known for not sharing future product details, much to the displeasure of IT professionals. Yet now, preannouncing is a mistake.

      Poor Apple. Can't have it both ways, and gets criticized no matter whether they announce ahead of time or on the day something ships.

    6. Re:still by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Funny
      grad-student worshiping

      I don't know what weird parallel universe you inhabit where grad students are worshiped... but as a grad student, I desperately want to go there.

    7. Re:still by Divebus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Perhaps he should write about how it was a mistake for Microsoft to announce the Zune so early. They should have waited another decade.

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    8. Re:still by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think he's getting it from having lost a girlfriend to a beret-wearing, cappuccino-sipping, book-reading, liberal grad-student. At least, that's the characterization I was getting from his post.

    9. Re:still by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think the FCC argument is dubious, to be honest.

      Apple needed to have their device approved by the FCC, who'd have made some details of the device public. However, Apple could have had a third party (for example, their manufacturer - Apple doesn't generally make their own products) enter the product, and from the point of view of people watching the FCC lists, all they'd have seen would have been a stylish touchscreen camera phone with EDGE and 802.11, coming from Hon Hai, a company not immediately associated with Apple. Even if people put the pieces together and assumed Apple was involved, the FCC would have published no details of the software, which arguably is the most important aspect of the iPhone concept, and the part Apple needed to keep secret.

      Here's what I think. I think Steve Jobs got very excited about a product, far more so than he normally does, and felt MacWorld was the opportunity to reveal it. It's that simple. I think Jobs, in common with much of the media, has overblown the importance of the Apple communicator. It's an original machine, but then original phones come out every year. It's not innovative, in that it will not introduce a technology to a mass audience (the definition of innovative, which is not a synonym for inventive), it's too expensive for that, but it may end up influencing many devices to come. But ultimately, it's a very large phone that, nonetheless, has many nice features but none that the majority of people will see as worth the price tag and Cingular handcuffs, and it'll be relegated to the designer product niche.

      Meanwhile someone will popularize the genuine advantages. They'll not produce a product that's as desirable, but it'll be "good enough" and much cheaper and more accessable, just as Microsoft/Commodore/Atari and Palm did to Macintosh and Newton respectively.

      But I'm getting off the subject. The point is that Jobs became convinced that this was an important product. That's why it was presented at MacWorld. Not because of the FCC, not because of a lack of other products, but Jobs being overwhelmed with excitement.

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    10. Re:still by MattPat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think they were only working with Cisco to see if they could come to an agreement easily. However, they decided that Cisco wanted too much money/publicity/etc. for their tastes, so they went to Plan B. Besides, it could possibly make their case even stronger: by working with Cisco, they establish that Cisco definitely knew they wanted the trademark. Combine that with Cisco's sudden use of the trademark, and, well... common sense says it was a desperate and underhanded attempt by Cisco to get a little extra money.

      The obvious lack of the usage of the trademark is enough to say that Cisco didn't give squat about actually owning the trademark, despite what they may have said, and they likely would never have started using it if they didn't know Apple wanted it.

    11. Re:still by RedWizzard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not innovative... I don't disagree with your argument, but I would like to point out that the iPod wasn't really innovative either. And for that matter neither was the iMac. A lack of innovation has never troubled Apple products in the past as their major selling points are easy of use and style.
    12. Re:still by dagamer34 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Like the GP said, the most important part of the iPhone doesn't come from hardware, but instead software. They could have held back on that part and still had something to show in June.

    13. Re:still by vought · · Score: 3, Informative

      The IT professionals get pissy because they don't like being blindsided by new computers or operating systems.

      I can't recall any time during the past ten years that Apple has blindsided anyone by introducing a new operating system or feature as a surprise. They've been quite upfront about upcoming Enterprise features in Mac OS X Server and Client at WWDC each year. One might argue that the interface of Mac OS X Beta in 2000 was a big surprise, but the underpinnings of the OS were well-known and didn't change much from NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP to Mac OS X with the exception of RedBox.

      If anything, Apple was very open about the features and underpinnings of Mac OS X, they stuck to a release schedule after the summer of 1998, and Apple hasn't cut significant features or introduced surprises that break software since, either. A notable quibble could be that MaconIntel won't run 68k or Mac OS 9 software anymore, but after twelve and seven years respectively, it's time to give up on those old cdebases.

      You can't say that Microsoft has been as punctual or diiligent in it's efforts during the same time. It's tough to underdeliver when you don't overpromise.

      Hardware? Apple has been very secretive about hardware design specifications, but has always provided a well-anticipated set of interfaces, with the exception of the iMac and Blue and White G3 - disruptive machines indicitive of Steve Jobs' first releases. Nothing since has been disruptive in the sense that it wouldn't connect to an existing network or be able to use existing peripherals. Since those 1998-vintage machines, even with PowerPC, Apple has been at the forefront of compatibility and standards adoption when it comes to interfaces - USB, Bluetooth, Gigabit, Firewire, ATA, SATA, Fiber Channel...now, with Intel, we have a practical roadmap to Apple's new CPU products.

      Now, with the iPod and iPhone, Apple has a "secret" product line not slaved to the expectations of corporate purchasers.

      Honestly, I think the IT types just hate not being invited to Cupertino for "technology briefings" - which are useful for making one feel like a mini-God with a purchasing budget.

      The adage that helps me give computer purchase advice to friends remains true for businesses - look at the roadmap for the parts, and imagine the whole. Intel's roadmap is now Apple's - unless you want me to believe IT managers are now buying based on color coordination.

    14. Re:still by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 2, Informative
      My Nokias have come with multi-touch keypads since day one. And they have had Opera as the web browser for as long as I can remember off hand. But the main problem with web browsing on a phone is not the device itself, its with the speed of the network - anything below full 3G just doesn't cut it. Websites are just too big - even ones like Slashdot or news sites like CNN or BBC - to go back to dialup speeds and have any kind of usable experience.

      And even now that I have 3G I don't browse on my phone because with bluetooth I can simply use it as a modem for my laptop without even taking my phone out of my pocket.

      I'm sure the iphone will be a good phone, but I just don't see that it solves any problems that needed fixing - you still have a small screen, a very limited text input system and slow speeds. Its not a mass market device and people in the niche can already get everything the iphone provides (I can run Opera, putty, multi-service IM, ebook reader, mail client, mp3 player, Word doc reader, PDF reader, SIP client, with bluetooth and WIFI, on my Nokia _and_ it came free with my contract, and the next version will come free when I upgrade).

  3. FCC leaks by zero-one · · Score: 5, Informative

    Right at the start of the presentation, Jobs says something like "When's it going to be available? We're shipping them in June -- we're announcing it today because we have to go get FCC approval... We thought it'd be better to introduce this today rather than let the FCC introduce this".

    Judging from all the rumours about the Zune the future iPods that have been helped along by FCC documents, I think they made the right call.

    1. Re:FCC leaks by modecx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Judging from all the rumours about the Zune the future iPods that have been helped along by FCC documents, I think they made the right call.

      Exactly. The author of this article is a num-head.

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    2. Re:FCC leaks by Mike1024 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Judging from all the rumours about the Zune the future iPods that have been helped along by FCC documents, I think they made the right call.

      If I was a big apple I'd submit a few dozen fake products for approval just to throw people off. When the documents about the Apple Bananaphone and the Apple ipod/condom become public, people will start taking these rumours with a bigger pinch of salt.

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    3. Re:FCC leaks by Ankou · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude where have you been? Didn't you watch the commercial? The iPhone is a prophylactic too.

    4. Re:FCC leaks by thogard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Getting FCC approval isn't hard. You send in a bunch of documents from your trusted RF lab and they rubber stamp them and put the ones not marked confidential on their web site. To even make a call on the stage, it would have had to pass all the hard tests already. 6 Months for the FCC approval doesn't look like the truth. I'm guessing its a long estimate to throw off other big phone manufactures. I expect to see the phone inside a few months.

    5. Re:FCC leaks by timeOday · · Score: 4, Informative

      How much the FCC documents have revealed? Apple putting its name on a phone, in itself, isn't a big deal. They already did that a couple years ago.

    6. Re:FCC leaks by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't attach "condom" to the word "leak" please - particularly when talking about the FCC.

  4. Good Point by Greatmoose · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hadn't thought of the iPhone cannibalizing iPod sales. Seems as if they are forcing thier customers to pick on or the other: a lot of features (iPhone) or a lot of storage space (iPod). Perhaps if they offered a much larger capacity iPhone, they wouldn't have that problem. Of course, it'd be $1,000 or something...

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    1. Re:Good Point by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      iPhone cannibalizing iPod sales

      That doesn't make much sense to me. First the author says it's going to be hard to sell many iPhones and uses the facts that RIM only sold 5.5M blackberrys last year and the iPhone will be Cingular only. Then he says that people aren't going to buy ipods in order to wait for the iPhone. I'm not sure how he can have it both ways there.

      Now, if he wants to make a case that people may hold off on a new ipod to see if the ipod line may get the touchscreen interface I might buy into that line of reasoning.

    2. Re:Good Point by Swift2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They've been 100% wrong so far. How many people do you think are going to hold off on buying something for $250 -- the 30 GB iPod -- so they can pick up something for $500-600? The iPod wasn't going to sell at all because it was $400. Then the cheaper ones would be better. Then Apple brought out cheaper ones, and an entire line of Flash iPods, and now there's iPods from $79 to $350. Somebody who has enough for an 80GB iPod but doesn't want a phone won't hold out for a monthly fee to AT&T and at least $500.

      I'd also bet that there will be a whole passle of widescreen iPods eventually without phones.

      Oh, but with all those iPod killers out there, iPod sales are falling and iTunes sales are collapsing. Except they sold 21 million of them the last quarter, and iTunes sold its two-billionth song a little while ago.

    3. Re:Good Point by Sandor+at+the+Zoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, this article smacks of "how can I dump on Jobs to get page views?"

      I've a friend who is a definite Mac geek and will be paying an early termination fee on his Verizon cell plan just to get an iPhone. That didn't stop him from buying two 80 GB video iPods last week (for him and his wife).

      Since the iPhone has 8 GB max, I don't see that people who want to store their whole music collection (let alone video) are going to hold up a purchase, even if they plan on buying an iPhone in 6 months.

    4. Re:Good Point by mspohr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the number of fanbois with more money than brains is somewhat limited. This might not be a good business model.

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    5. Re:Good Point by StrahdVZ · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Especially after reading the interesting postscript note on the last page:

      Mike Elgan is a technology writer and former editor of Windows Magazine.
  5. It will affect competitors as well by gravesb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All valid points, but it will affect competitors as well. Right now, people in the consumer smart phone market will be at least tempted to hold out and wait for the iPhone. Since those companies are already in the market, and Apple is not, who will it hurt more? Also, I think its good to announce 6 months out, with the 2 year cycle of cell phone plans. This gives consumers enough advanced notice to decide about entering into a new plan now, or just extending their old plan until the iPhone is available.

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    1. Re:It will affect competitors as well by dreddnott · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree, Steve Jobs probably did what was best under the circumstances (especially with FCC approval in mind!).

      I think the article's author forgot the old saw: There's no such thing as bad publicity! This is especially true for Apple, the perennial underdog, and a new entrant into the computerized cellular telephone market.

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  6. Nice job by SilentOneNCW · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow, kudos to the submitter and the article writer -- while speculative, it makes logical sense and uses existing evidence to predict future events. See, this is the sort of story /. needs more often. ...

    Having said that, I think that no force in the world (not Microsoft, not even Apple) could make iPods stop selling -- I don't think that by having the main attraction of the keynote be the iPhone makes the iPod any less the world's most watched MP3 player. Apple TV may be a little less stable and visible, so that getting hurt is a more legitimate concern, but it doesn't make sense to delay the announcement -- who knows what Apple is going to spring on us next?

  7. So Why Do Anything? by d3ik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "He argues that extremely high expectations can only lead to disappointment for consumers and investors."
    In that case they shouldn't ever announce any cool products ever again. Seriously, what kind of logic is that? Apple makes cool things so people put unrealistic expectations on them. People do the same thing with Google, but Google still releases new services. The new stuff might not match the hype but Google and Apple can't change how much people obsess about them.

    1. Re:So Why Do Anything? by kithrup · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Worse, he seems to be saying that the "detail-oriented" presentation -- in which Jobs talked about and demonstrated what the device could do -- would leave consumers disappointed... that it can do what was claimed it could do?

      While he may have some valid points, it does seem to reek of "jumping on the attack-SJ-dogpile."

    2. Re:So Why Do Anything? by William_Lee · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "He argues that extremely high expectations can only lead to disappointment for consumers and investors." In that case they shouldn't ever announce any cool products ever again. Seriously, what kind of logic is that? Apple makes cool things so people put unrealistic expectations on them. People do the same thing with Google, but Google still releases new services. The new stuff might not match the hype but Google and Apple can't change how much people obsess about them.

      Apple is a public corporation and as such is supposed to put their shareholders first. Jobs announced an actual penetration target for the iPhone that some Wall Street analysts and investors are likely to take as gospel. The stock now has a lot of expectations baked into it. If Apple doesn't succeed wildly with the iPhone, the stock is likely to be punished severely as a result. The target is very aggressive based on pricepoint, lack of features, and Cingulair only distribution.

      That's why it's not a good idea to set up such an aggressive target. In terms of Wall Street, they're better off under promising, and over delivering. Time will tell, but I think the article makes a lot of interesting, well thought out, and potentially valid points.

    3. Re:So Why Do Anything? by VirusEqualsVeryYes · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Google and Apple can't change how much people obsess about them.
      Nor would they want to. The perpetual, intense attention given to Apple's products, while it might annoy us who regularly pay attention to this stuff, has the very beneficial side effect of spreading the word to many other people that would otherwise be ignorant of their existence. More people hear about it, more people buy it. Simple.

      Do the outrageous expectations hurt sales from those of us who may get annoyed with the constant attention? Not likely. I don't think too many people will decide not to buy an iPhone simply because of the obsession of fanboys. The people whining about and pointing fingers at the fanboys probably resolved not to buy one right from the get-go anyway. The rest of us cheerfully ignore the hype, and I suspect a lot of us will buy the iPhone regardless.
  8. Negotiating Position by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The seemingly obvious explanation is that Steve Jobs needed a better negotiating position for something. So he announces it, gets a major media circus, half a billion eager buyers, Wall Street ready to punish anybody who doesn't jump on this product launch, and then goes back to his negotiating partner with a much stronger position.

    It could be the 3G network - Cringely's written a bit about Cingular insisting on selling its own music store items over 3G, which is why Apple is on EDGE only. Maybe the iPhone trademark... he made a point of boasting about patents (read: patent suit). Maybe something else - I haven't finished watching the whole keynote yet.

    Unappreciated gem from the Keynote - Jobs made the audience a point of showing them pictures of penguins on the iPhone. I don't think anything Jobs does these days is uncalculated. Oh, and Mach/xnu is slow...just sayin'.

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    1. Re:Negotiating Position by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 2, Informative

      L4 would be a much more rational choice then Linux. It's basically a faster Mach. And Apple might want to take advantage of the 4 security layers of the x86 processor, something Linux doesn't do. Also, Apple would need to port IOKit to Linux. Since L4 is written in C++ it would be much easier. Or OpenSolaris. Since Apple is integrating a lot of OpenSolaris features anyway, the might as well take the whole hog.

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  9. What's with the limiting to Cingular? by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's already dead in the water for me if they stick with being limited to one carrier. I don't care if it's possible through some loops to make it work with other carriers; If they limit my choice from the start, I won't be wasting my money on it.

    Then again, it is also a very nice bottle opener, an electronic razor, a blowdryer, a mousetrap......

  10. As Jobs Said... by Kickboy12 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Steve Jobs clearly explained why they announced it so early in his Keynote. They needed FCC approval, so if Jobs didn't do the keynote this early, then the FCC would have been the one to announce the iPhone. This probably would have increased anticipation, and possibly even increased the amount of dissatisfied customers.

    Some of the things the author talks about that the phone can't do, nobody really uses anyway. Voice Dialing? My old phone had voice dialing, and it was the most worthless piece of crap technology I have ever used. Rarely worked correctly, so I never used it anyway. 3G Internet Access would have been a nice feature, but Jobs mentioned they were planning on this in a later version of the product. As for Microsoft Outlook... who uses it these days anyway? I sure as hell don't.

    I agree the iPhone has much to be desired, but it is still MUCH better than any other phone available in the US to date. I only wish the iPhone was just a little bit cheaper.

    1. Re:As Jobs Said... by bheer · · Score: 4, Funny

      > As for Microsoft Outlook... who uses it these days anyway? I sure as hell don't.

      It's like this club that was cool once ... but no one goes there any more, it's too crowded.

    2. Re:As Jobs Said... by The+Bungi · · Score: 4, Informative
      As for Microsoft Outlook... who uses it these days anyway?

      Just about any Fortune 1000 firm in the US, for starters. Why?

    3. Re:As Jobs Said... by arifirefox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "As for Microsoft Outlook... who uses it these days anyway? I sure as hell don't." Fat chance if you think iphone will sync with linux apps

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  11. might as well... by pdwestermann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    just mention right away that the ipod does far less than pretty much every high end MP3 player you can buy. How many happy ipod users are there? I think as long as the iphone does what it advertises and does it with style and ease (like the ipod), it will be a great success.

    i dont think apple is really going after the IT crowd with this, they are the only ones who will complain because it doesnt have feature X, rather than focusing on how well it performs the things it can do.

  12. Why do they always predict doom for the iPod? by NiteShaed · · Score: 4, Insightful
    put iPod sales at risk

    From the moment the iPod was announced it seems that a commentary on Apple isn't complete without some suggestion that the iPod is in terrible danger. Eventually, maybe it'll get supplanted by some other cool little gizmo, but for now it ain't in danger guys. If he's referring to the idea that people will stop buying iPods waiting for the iPhone, I doubt that would be all that big of a sales hit....the iPhone will, for a while at least, be more far more expensive than an iPod, for far less capacity. I won't be trading in my 30GB iPod any time soon.....unless it's for an 80GB.
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  13. will do far less than most existing smart phones.. by Lerc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was talking to someone pre-iPhone announcement about what cell phones should be.

    One of the key features I wanted. make something that doesn't do all of those things I don't want but does the things I do want well. Phones have been developing crazy unusable features like mad for years.

    Do less but do what you do well.

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  14. Different launch strategies by Vengeance_au · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Compare and contrast
    iPod launch (wiki - little to no pre-publicity
    with the iPhone - where we are seeing every last bit of information from tech specs, usability, form factor down to projected price points. I believe the iPod launch worked because even though there were plenty of detractors, ultimately the device was in peoples hands and proving itself. The pre-launch on the iPhone opens up too much opportunity for competitors to steal ideas and be at market in a similar timeframe, and worse it lets everyone make a decision about the product before they get one in their hands - which is ultimately where hearts and minds are won.
    I believe apple makes some of the most user friendly devices around, and they should focus on getting them out to market (and THEN hyping the mother-loving goodness out of them).

  15. Carriers by Effugas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dear god, you guys are actually making me defend Apple. And Cingular.

    Wow.

    Guys, there are only two GSM carriers in the states -- Cingular and T-Mobile. You might have heard of T-Mobile, they have this rather popular device called the Sidekick that only works (really works, anyway) on their network.

    Lame? You bet.

    1. Re:Carriers by finkployd · · Score: 2, Informative

      The kind of crowd that is likely to buy the iPhone will be the kind that probably travels a lot (i.e. business and corporate users).

      You mean the same crowd that needs outlook/exchange sync capability? They will most likely stick with their blackberries and (to a lesser extent) Treos.

      Finkployd

  16. Cisco needs Apple, not the other way around... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Insightful
    and (perhaps worst of all) ruined the company's talks with Cisco over the iPhone name

    I don't think Apple feels they where going anywhere with Cisco, and that they had nothing to loose. There is some speculation that Apple thinks Cisco abandoned the trademark, and that Apple can win that point in court. Cisco needs Apple, not the other way around. Apple can name the phone device something else with little or no loss in visibility or branding power.

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  17. Yeah, and the first ipod "just" played mp3s by xtal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple's brilliance is often in reducing the cruft and useless features from common, everyday gadgets. The ipod wasn't first, it wasn't second, and it STILL isn't the most featureful. Features are added as they mature and the right way to do it (according to apple) is found.

    You're free to use whatever phone you want - but a lot of people will take a look at the iphone because of Apple's track record in the past. I love my Razr, but there's a lot of crap on there I'll never use.

    Sometimes, less IS more, reality distortion fields aside.

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  18. I wish I would have 10 cents for everyone by porky_pig_jr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    who knows how to run Apple better than Steve Jobs.

  19. Re:I tend to agree that Iphone focus was a bad ide by PureCreditor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    go find me another FLASH player that offers 30GB+ before making that comment

  20. Overhanging a cool product is bad by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Insightful
    When you announce a product too early you you're telling the customer that anything they buy between now and then is not as cool as the iphone. You're buying something obsolete and uncool (until in 10 years it's retro). Since a significant part of the iphone/ipod story is coolness, overhanging an out of date/obsolete product is a bad idea.

    Then there's the fact that people get bored quickly. Announce a product and, even if it is not available, people still start to get used to the idea. When you finally release it, it is no longer "edgy".

    Sure, the FCC rumour mill would have released product details, but that just builds hype and anticipation.

    Still, bottom line though is that Apple tends to know their customers well and has a (recent and far) history [we'll ignore the middle bit] of making good calls. No doubt they have weighed these and other factors and have still gone on to make the announcement.

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  21. iPhone will suck, moderate market share by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why will the iPhone (rev 1) suck?

    Simple. It's an EDGE "smartphone". And you have to deal with AT&T come Cingular. And you have to pay $$$, in addition to signing a 2 year contract.

    I must admit, I'm very attracted to the idea of an Apple phone; but EDGE really sucks, and AT&T sucks worse. Once you've gone EVDO, HSDPA, or even UMTS, you'll never go back to EDGE/GPRS. It's a gigantic step backwards, and considering that Verizon/Sprint now have an additional 6 months to pursue a high-end smart phone, I would be shocked to see the iPhone succeed in any big way.

    Certainly a phone utilizing yesterday's data technology will not muscle it's way to the top of the market. No video downloads over EDGE, and audio downloads will pause while you are speaking on the phone. Furthermore, it doesn't even seem that it will have a J2ME stack.

    I don't have high hopes for this phone, and I'll be damned if I have to deal with AT&T to get one.

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    1. Re:iPhone will suck, moderate market share by dfghjk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only thing unique about the iPhone's iPod features are its iPod dock connector and iTunes integration. There's a lot to be said for that but many devices on the market today have mp3 and video players integrated. It is possible to put 4GB or more of flash in those as well and they are all arguably better PDA and phone devices than the iPhone promises to be. What's unique about the iPhone is that you will be able to plug it into your iPod car kit.

      As far as demand for music downloads to cellphones, I don't think it's interesting either. There are services, though, and I have a friend who uses them.

  22. "...will do far less than most existing phones." by crackeriah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But will real-life iPhone users do more with their phones? Personally I've never used more than a handful of the "bullet-points" of any cellphone.

  23. Re:I tend to agree that Iphone focus was a bad ide by TheSkyIsPurple · · Score: 2, Informative

    You mean you set your expectations about a groundbreaking new product based on currently shipping technologies (maybe they will have announced a newer higher density solid state storage) and assumptions about what tech they will use (maybe they'd use a hard drive?) Niiiiice

    I too was very disappointed by the 8GB size. I understand it, but I'm still disappointed by it.

    And like OP, it's the Cingular tie-in that kills it for me, and everyone I know.

  24. Awaiting the iPhone by gilesjuk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    On the other hand, there are now people who are putting off buying another phone and are waiting for the iPhone. This has to be good for Apple.

    Of course, the wait in the UK for this phone is excessive as ever, we're always behind the US and Japan even though mobile phone ownership here has been ahead of the US as a percentage of the population. In Europe 70% of the population use mobiles, 63% in Canada and in the US 55%.

  25. I think he completely missed the biggest issue by McFadden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For me, it's not that Jobs didn't focus on the iPhone. It's the fact that he DIDN'T focus on Macintosh. This is a fundamentally bigger point than hyping the device, or building expectations too high. This is more or less a copy of post I made on another site, but I think it's worth repeating.

    The launch of Vista is literally days away. What does this mean?

    1. Average Joe is going to start thinking about whether he needs to upgrade.
    2. If he decides to upgrade to Vista, he may consider buying new hardware.

    Apple should be adding a third point to this:

    3. Since he's upgrading, and considering a new hardware purchase, why not tempt him to look at some of the alternatives out there?

    The Vista upgrade release is a fundamental, time-lined opportunity for Apple to win converts. With Bootcamp they can even offer that upgrade with the comfort of knowing that you can still run Windows if you need to. Macintosh should have been absolutely FRONT AND CENTER of the keynote.

    If a consumer upgrades buys new non-Mac hardware, that's it. Apple has lost them for *at least* another couple of years until they decide to go through the process again.

    Jobs missed a golden opportunity at this keynote. Given the momentum and the increased buzz around Apple, their slowly increasing market share, more developers on board, Bootcamp etc. he could have finally presented Apple as a serious and viable alternative to Microsoft. For everyone. But instead he decided to go with a f**king phone, which doesn't even launch until the summer in the US, end of the year in Europe and 2008 in Asia.

    1. Re:I think he completely missed the biggest issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the message to the Mac faithful is that they're now secondary or even tertiary to the company that makes their computers. It's as though being second or third in the eyes of software vendors and IT departments isn't enough of an insult.

      I used to go to Macworld SF every year when I worked for a Southeastern US manufacturer of Macintosh acceleration products. I really enjoyed the show. Now each January I wish I'd ponied up the substantial bux to get myself out there and house myself in a motel within walking distance of Moscone. Each year I say I'll do it next year.

      This year, I'm glad I kept my wallet in my pocket. What a disappointing theme for a Macworld Expo.

      I'm not considering attending for January 08. And am reevaluating whether I can make my previously planned hardware upgrade, considering that Apple has just demonstrated that they're not as committed to the platform as we've previously imagined, turning the keynote at its spotlight trade show over to a telephone.

      People, it's a telephone. You get 'em free with cellular service...

    2. Re:I think he completely missed the biggest issue by modeless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Joe Average doesn't go to Apple.com to watch Steve Jobs's keynote in streaming Quicktime. Joe Average watches primetime TV, where he sees the new Mac ads that do in fact take aim directly at Windows Vista.

  26. Cardinal Rule Number One was broken .. by torpor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All the other "mistakes" of the keynote can be forgiven; except this one rule, and Jobs broke it.

    In the hardware world, and I say this from the perspective of the music-hardware (synthesizer) segment, where the rule has been proven again and again and again, there is a Cardinal Rule:

    Never announce a product until you can actually ship it.

    None of these other factors mentioned in this article would have any effect on Apple in the short, mid- and long-term, if but for the fact that there was a huge, deeply felt "Awwwww...." on the part of the audience when he announced the shipping date. That moment was when the hype balloon lost a lot of its gas.

    And no, I dont think the FCC-would-announce-it-for-us is a good enough excuse to pre-emptively announce a product. A company like Apple should be ready to take orders the day the FCC approvals have been aquired .. 48 hours from the "FCC discovery", Apple can be in a position to announce the product itself, and ship and take orders then and there.

    Big mistake, but courtesy of us mac fanboix, maybe not a ship sinker .. nevertheless, I personally still look forward to seeing Apple get some competition in the iPhone space ..

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  27. The Reality Distortion Field Backlash by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I were a columnist for a computer publication, I'd sure as hell be writing about the iPhone. It's an easy target. Fantastic intro by Jobs, lots of oohs and ahs, and plenty of time to come up with reasons why it's going to Suck Like A Hoover.

    I don't know if the iPhone is going to be a success or not, but all of the back and forth about whether it will revolutionize the world or be the biggest flop since the Cube are rather irrelevant. We don't know how durable the iPhone will be in actual use. We don't know if the spiffy interface really will be that much of an improvement over existing phones. We don't know what Cingular's iPhone plans will be like six months from now.

    I am not at all satisfied with existing cellphones, because I always feel like I have to relearn things that should be simple every time I get a new phone. If there was ever a device crying out for an Apple makeover, it's the cellphone. I'd like it to succeed, if only so I can enjoy using my cell the way I enjoy using my Mac. If it doesn't succeed, at least Apple is trying something radical, instead of sticking with the same annoying interface standards that have made cellphones such a pain in the ass for so long. Apple doesn't need to own the market in order to succeed, either. Just look at the Mac. Microsoft beat Apple handily in the marketplace, but where are all the MS-DOS fanboys now? They're using an interface remarkably similar to Macintosh.

    It is also rather appalling that a journalist missed the obvious fact that Apple merely wanted to control the unveiling of the iPhone. They're all about controlling the message, and it seems to me that Steve giving the iPhone keynote was better than Apple going after the countless bloggers who would have taken the FCC filing and run with it.

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  28. Nothing to see here, but wait, don't move along! by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The trouble is that Apple apparently had no choice

    The trouble, such as it was, was that nothing was ready to announce, which is to say, ship. It's all vaporware, albeit very likely to appear eventually vaporware.

    Leopard wasn't ready; iPhone wasn't ready; iTV wasn't ready; no improvements to the laptops, minis, desktops... nothing. Not even an iPod variant. So what was Apple to do in the face of high customer expectations, ongoing stock and accounting scandals? Announce vaporware, that's what, and that's precisely what they did. And Apple stock went up that day, because people are gullible. Now the common folk have had a little time to stare at their completely empty hands, and they're beginning to mutter "say... where's my stuff?" Doesn't matter that they were told it wouldn't come until later. People expect a lot from Apple, especially at "announcement time", and when they get nothing... well, they tend to notice.

    That announcement was worse than nothing to me and people like me; I am no fan of telephones (mostly just another way for people to interrupt you), nor do I think that touch-pads are good for dialing, nor do I think that LCD's are very useful in sunlight, nor am I impressed by the use of OSX in a venue where I can't add software, nor do I see what iTV will do for me that will be useful beyond the usual stack of DVR, satellite and other gear I already own.

    I am very interested in Leopard, but of that there was no sign. So... bleagh.

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  29. Exception to rule: Announce before it leaks. by guidryp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Jobs has stated that if they didn't announce it, there would be a leak when they went for FCC approval. In that case it makes perfect sense to release while they can still surprise.

    From the reaction, they chose correctly.

  30. Re:Nothing to see here, but wait, don't move along by fredmosby · · Score: 2, Informative

    The trouble, such as it was, was that nothing was ready to announce

    They do have the Apple TV and the AirPort Extreme both shipping in February. Apple didn't even announce the new AirPort in the keynote. Apple tends to release consumer devices at Macworld and operating systems at WWDC. So they announced their new gadgets at Macworld, and they'll announce their new OS at WWDC in a few months.

  31. Re:Do those security rings exist anymore? by Ant+P. · · Score: 2, Informative

    They've been taken out of AMD64 native mode, and they expect people to just use the NX bit for everything now.

  32. The way to always be 'fashionable' by rednip · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Whine about other people's taste, complain constantly about fashion trends, and pretend like you know what's 'really cool'. Fads come and fads go, but putting others down for following them has always remained 'cool'.

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    1. Re:The way to always be 'fashionable' by rednip · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I try not to feel that my own tastes are particularly meritorious or cool or particularly important for anyone besides myself, but it's hard not to attach your ego to something you work hard at (like being an opera singer in my case).

      I'm happy for you that you have the dedication and natural talent for such an honorable vocation, but what did you work hard at? Perhaps you mean your comment itself? Hey, it's Slashdot, most of the time we reply to comments not to give a rub on the tummy to the parent poster, but to counter facts, press for more information, or give a little push where we (at least at posting time) believe a little ribbing is justified. Sometimes we go farther than that, which is only occasionally justified. You decided to overly broaden your comment to include discussion on your opinion on your 'pop culture' preferences.

      Seriously, though, I think it's the whole concept of "cool" and self-promotion that's causing so many problems when we try to have this kind of dialogue.
      [selected quote from your dialogue...]

      Most of the people out there with iPods probably think Family Guy is hilarious (and original!), and wouldn't get half the jokes on South Park, let alone watch C-SPAN for more than 5 minutes. I despise Myspace more than any other currently prevalent cultural phenomenon, though.

      I don't have an iPod, but much like your idea of a typical iPod owner, I don't like to watch 'C-SPAN' (way too boring, but I'm glad it's there), I love the 'Family Guy', and I have a 'My Space' account (in fact I just started it a couple of days ago, nothing lamer than joining something after people start poking at it). However I may redeem myself in your eyes, as there are few jokes on 'South Park' I don't get (and usually before the punch line), but then again I can't stand 'The Office' (IMHO the most overrated show on TV).

      [more from your original comment]
      What I see most in popular culture, and I hope this isn't just me - is a lack of originality:...

      Lack of originality is a commonly voiced complaint, implying that you might be the first to notice could likely be called disingenuous. Besides, how is a movie or song remake any different than a new run for an old play, or for that matter an opera. Perhaps it's the 'live' part; like a cover band playing a favorite tune, might be ok, but if they record it and play the song on the radio it's not? I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with your rules, so I'm just guessing.

      Likely you'll learn over time that people like, what people like, sometimes you'll agree with them, and other time you will wonder why. If you are able to figure out why something is popular, and are able to appreciate their point of view, if not their opinion, you will have a better understanding of humanity, and that's 'a good thing'.

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  33. I think it was good idea by 2ms · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The keynote did not give competitors any lead time they would have otherwise not had. The iPhone's design, by law, was apparently practically entirely layed out and spec'd as part of process of obtaining FCC approval, and FCC approval takes over 6 months. The competitors already had all the details of its design. This is fact. One could argue that the iPhone's incredible awesomeness when witnessed in real life might have lit additional fire to the heals of competitors, but even that would be of dubious merit because it's doubtful there's ever been personal electronic device that's induced nearly the same chatter, speculation, anticipation, and general buzz ahead of time -- the competitors were on it you can count on it.

    Six months is not that much time. When you look at the details of how Cisco got the trademark, how they renamed an already existing phone practically a day before the trademark was going to expire just to create the future conflict, and various other details, it's clear that there really wasn't any doubt that Apple would and will eventually get the name.

    Announcing things way ahead of time is a proven effective strategy for introducing new products. It creates so much anticipation that people are practically nuts for it once it comes out. Look at what people did to get their hands on PS2s and PS3s -- two actually pretty mediocre products -- certainly no things so wonderful as to be commensurate with the insane appetite consumers had for them once they were finally able to get their hands on.

    Moreover, by announcing 6 months ahead of time, a lot of people are going to be able to say "hold on, maybe I shouldn't sign another two year contract with whoever other provider, or buy the latest "Chocolate" or other Korean knockoff of some $800 Nokia. Maybe I can bear not having the latest phone out there for about 6 more months if it means I will be able to get this iPhone thing which will be leaps and bounds better."

  34. You can get a AirPort Extreme next month... by el+americano · · Score: 3, Informative

    I agree that those announcements that end in, "and you can buy them in stores today" are much more powerful. I recall the Intel-based Macs were announced that way. Clearly the iPhone didn't miss MacWorld due to development delays, they announced it now to make the biggest splash. I thought it was overdone at the time - especially as they completly ignored the 11n AirPort upgrade - but who can argue with the incredible PR it brought them and the 5% stock bump, all ahead of another jump at earnings announcement. And they beat the LG/Prada phone to the punch. This was less an analysis of the unqualified success that it was, and more a prediction of the failure that iPhone is going to be. These journalists seem to be rewarded for making wrong predictions, because they're labeled "controvertial." Adjust accordingly.

    I still want a AirPort Extreme though.

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  35. WHat everyone misses about Edge by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Simple. It's an EDGE "smartphone".

    Wrong. It's a WiFi PDA, that also happens to be able to make use of the most widely deployed data network in the US as well in-between deep WiFi data pools.

    That's why no-one understands why it's going to be a success, because they don't understand that finally someone has done a followup to the Palm Pilot, adding cell phone ablities, that people would want to actually buy.

    Those of use who liked Graffiti, those of us who dispaired when so much of a Palm form factor was sucked up by a keyboard on the Treo and so many other "smartphones" and pagers - we have been waiting, and are ready for the true next generation Palm Pilot - even if someone else other than Palm had to build it. The people who really want an iPhone are not really Apple fanatics at all, we are exiled Palm fans!

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  36. This word, "despite"... by dr.badass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'The iPhone, despite its many media-oriented virtues and its sweet design, will do far less than most existing smart phones.'

    That's a smug way of saying "I don't get it.".

    The "many media-oriented virtues" blow every other smartphone out of the water on that front. Plenty of phones will play music, videos, photos -- but they universally do a poor job of it, either because the feature was just tacked on to be a bullet point on a feature list, or because it's designed as a cash cow for the wireless provider (Verizon's V Cast, etc.). Maybe they come with only 64MB of storage, or don't let you load your own content over Bluetooth, or only support tiny 3GPP video, or don't support playlists at all, or have that fuck-you 2.5mm headphone jack--I've seen all of these faults. The iPhone, on the other hand, does everything that the world's best-selling media player does, and more. Brushing all of that aside in a sentence is probably the dumbest thing I've read in weeks.

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  37. Re:Can Apple do anything right? by AndrewRUK · · Score: 2, Informative
    Name one [smartphone] that plays wide screen movies? Name one with a full web browser? Name one with a full desktop OS? Name a current one with a screen that size? There are dozens of other features I've never seen in a cell phone.
    Let's take, as an example, the Nokia 9500 Communicator, which came out towards the end of 2004. It plays movies and, with a resolution of 640*200 is distinctly wide-screen. For a web browser, it has Opera, which is just as much a full web browser as Safari. The screen is 4.5" diagonal, although the iPhone has a slightly larger screen area (3870 mm^2 against the Communicator's 3850 mm^2) and more pixels per inch (160 on the iPhone, 148 on the Communicator.) Yes, the 9500 doesn't have a full desktop OS, it runs Symbian, an OS designed for use on PDAs and smartphones, but it makes no sense to have a "full desktop OS" on a device like a phone, which has very different (and far more limited) hardware than a desktop computer - but then, the iPhone will be running a stripped-down version of OS X, not the "full desktop OS". (In my book, if it will only run apps written for the iPhone then no matter how much it shares with the desktop OS, it's not the same OS.)

    As far as I can see, the only feature of the iPhone that makes it stand out from its fellow smartphones is the interface, which is pretty damn funky. Apple have, like they usually do, produced a great UI - the applications that it's the interface to, OTOH, don't seem to be anything new.
  38. cell phones are PORTABLE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    This has to be the least impact and most important cellphone news of the past year, and no one seems to be able to remember it. New rules got passed last december. It was covered here and on most of the major tech sites. The telcos can't as in "NO", restrict the use of any phone as along as it is frequency capable. You can unlock them, they are now portable if you so choose. Apple saying it is cingular only is mass consumer FUD now. That might be their contract they have with AT&T, but it isn't the law for individuals. Tell your friend he shouldn't have to switch if the iPhone hardware is compatable. Scroll to section five, clear as day, cellphones are now portable, legally, they can't stop you

    http://www.copyright.gov/1201/index.html

    "5. Computer programs in the form of firmware that enable wireless telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telephone communication network, when circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of lawfully connecting to a wireless telephone communication network."

    I have posted this a few times now on cellphone theads, hopefully it will stick this time

    With that said, I would encourage anyone to support open moko and the neo1973 instead of the iPhone,it is pretty close to half the price, totally open, no restrictions of note, free as in speech.

        Support hardware vendors who support open source (and it is a sharp looking phone, and there will be a ton of apps for it, unlike apple's big FU to consumers and devs)

  39. And in doing so... by Tyr_7BE · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...have overhung the entire cell phone market. Everyone even thinking about dropping some cash on a cell phone is now holding their breath until the fall. Just by announcing their product they've dipped into everyone else's market share. Even if they haven't gained any share yet, they've at least reserved their spot at the expense of other vendors.

  40. Nonsense. Useless second-guessing. by jpellino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "will do far less than most existing smart phones"

    For specific tricks, maybe. But it will apparently DO all the things all these other phones promised.

    The Cisco situation is far from solved, and it's not a slam dunk for Cisco, they did made hay with it that day - it certainly served to promote something no one is buying.

    Publishing this article on how the iPhone keynote was a mistake... was a mistake.

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  41. No, he thinks Leopard will trump Vista by jamrock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Jobs missed a golden opportunity at this keynote. Given the momentum and the increased buzz around Apple, their slowly increasing market share, more developers on board, Bootcamp etc. he could have finally presented Apple as a serious and viable alternative to Microsoft. For everyone. But instead he decided to go with a f**king phone"

    I disagree. There's been so much buzz about the iPhone that only a few people have been asking about Macs and Leopard, and why Jobs didn't even so much as mention them. I must admit that I was pretty dazzled by the iPhone's interface, and it took me a couple days to start sorting out the implications.

    I'm convinced that Leopard's new interface will support multi-touch technology (MTI). Am I the only person who believes that Apple has already thought of vastly more expansive uses for MTI than a mere smartphone display? Hello? Mac Tablet anyone? The iPhone interface is merely the tip of the iceberg of possibilities. Take a look at the video demo at the Multi-Touch Interaction Research group's site and imagine some or most of these capabilities, or even greater capabilities, in Leopard. Interestingly, there's a note on the site that says they saw the keynote, and that they have some more exciting stuff coming up soon.

    Jobs said nothing about new Macs, new displays, or OS X 10.5 for one reason: he believes that what he has up his sleeve will make Vista look like ancient technology to Joe Consumer, and he's deliberately waiting for Microsoft to launch their expensive media blitz introducing Vista before dropping a Leopard-spotted nuke on them. His aim is to embarrass Microsoft. And I believe that Microsoft came to that conclusion while the keynote was going on, but they still have no choice but to kick Vista out the door.

    Joe Consumer has already seen the iPhone's interface, courtesy the mainstream media. He'll be primed for multi-touch interface on a personal computer, and I foresee PC salespeople having an interesting time in the aftermath of Leopard's introduction: "Yeah, that's a pretty cheap machine, but how come I can't just drag things around with my finger like the guy at the Apple Store showed me?"

    As many here have pointed out, Macs don't do anything that PC's can't do (much less if you count games and enterprise apps); iPods do less than many other available DAP's; the iPhone won't offer any capabilities unavailable on other, existing smartphones. The difference in all three cases is how Apple pulls the interface together in ways that appeal and make sense to average users i.e., non-Slashdot readers. I believe that Jobs has high hopes that Leopard will present an interface that will finally, clearly, distinguish Macs from PC's in the minds of the average consumer, in the same way that their respective interfaces distinguish the iPod and iPhone from competing devices. I believe that Jobs honestly feels that 2007 is the year of destiny for the Macintosh.

  42. Two Words: Pocket-W3 and iPod-connector. by gig · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > The iPhone, despite its many media-oriented virtues and its sweet design, will do far less than most existing smart phones

    Two words: "Pocket-W3" and "iPod-connector".

    First, "Pocket-W3" ...

    The iPhone does a lot more than any other smart phone because the iPhone has the actual World Wide Web in it. When you point it at amazon.com or any other site on the Web, there are no compromises. WebKit is world class desktop browsing, not smart phone class browsing. Your iPhone has complete (COMPLETE!) support for HTML 4.01, CSS 2.1, JavaScript 1.8, DOM Level 1, PNG 1.0, JPEG 1.0 and also there will probably be some MPEG-4 in there, as much as has been created yet (MPEG-4 is the standardization of QuickTime). It has the best typography you will see on a screen anywhere other than Mac OS X. (Typography is kind of an old science to completely forgo just because of digital, wouldn't you say? Shouldn't the Web have typography? Shit.) Also this is the third major version of WebKit (Panther, Tiger, Leopard) and it is open source ... you will be schooled in its quality if you haven't been already. So you don't have to run a Java app to play MineSweeper ... you can play it off the Web. You don't have to run some proprietary software to download ring tones ... you just download them from the Web. Lots of the stuff that is on smart phones today is completely negated if you add the real Web.

    The reason the Google CEO was there joking about merging with Apple is that this is the device that Google wants people to have to correspond to their massive "cloud" servers. You aren't supposed to run Google Maps on a PC ... you're supposed to run it out of your pocket. Same for everything Google, ultimately. The reason so much of Google's stuff is in beta is that Google sees the whole Internet as being in beta. The iPhone probably represents some significant point in Google's business plans ... they've been waiting for it. The iPhone is the real "Pocket Web" in the same way that the iPod was the first real "Pocket Music".

    Second, "iPod-connector" ...

    The iPhone does a lot more than any other smart phone because it has an iPod dock connector which enables you to use something like 3000+ accessories just by plugging them in, or easily synchronize with iTunes to get music or movies or other data. There is no software to install, or drivers to install. You just plug stuff in and it works. iTunes manages the device in the same way as with iPods and other devices.

    There will probably be over 100 iPhone-specific accessories by the June. They're designing and building them right now, wherever fine iPod accessories are made. If some kind of "missing" thing is identified, there will be a number of solutions that you can plug on in no time.

    Finally, do not underestimate the value of the thing actually being oriented towards making calls as its number one app. The contacts list, the ability to conference with a single button push, even the ringer turning down music playback when you have a call, are all reasons why people will buy this just to use as a phone and everything else really will be extra. Although being able to go to the actual Web while on a call is a great calling-feature in its own right.

    1. Re:Two Words: Pocket-W3 and iPod-connector. by clonmult · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With respect to the browser. What a load of rubbish.

      The current range of Nokia S60 phones (N73, N80, N93, etc.) have a similarly fully featured browser. Works absolutely perfectly. Why bother with the mobile gmail client when I can go straight into the main gmail web page? The web works incredibly well on these phones.

      So Nokia already have the whole of the web in your pocket. With 3G data access speeds to boot.

      Turning down music playback whilst in a call? Thats new? My Siemens SX1 had that years back. My little old SE W550 did exactly that.

      Nokia and SE have been doing such things for years.

      And its a minor thing, but for those interested (and with N80s, or other WiFi nokias), you can get a BitTorrent client for these phones. Kinda useless, but still pretty cool.

    2. Re:Two Words: Pocket-W3 and iPod-connector. by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It has the best typography you will see on a screen anywhere other than Mac OS X.


      While Mac OS does indeed have an impressive font renderer, at small font sizes - like those used in a smartphone - Microsoft's renderer, combined with their boring-but-readable fonts, make for an impressively readable display.

      Your iPhone has complete (COMPLETE!) support for HTML 4.01, CSS 2.1, JavaScript 1.8, DOM Level 1, PNG 1.0, JPEG 1.0


      So does Opera 8 for mobile phones (Windows Mobile and Symbian). Seriously - has anyone talking about how "revolutionary" this is actually owned a PDA phone in the last 2 years?

      You aren't supposed to run Google Maps on a PC ... you're supposed to run it out of your pocket.


      Which is why J2ME devices and the Treo already have native support. No, you can't do the fancy "zoom by pinching" thing, but you can scroll around with your stylus just fine.

      Oh, and WM5 devices have Live Search, which is better executed than Google's mobile client anyway.

      The iPhone does a lot more than any other smart phone because it has an iPod dock connector which enables you to use something like 3000+ accessories just by plugging them in


      I can use over 3000+ accessories with my phone without plugging them in. It's called Bluetooth.

      For sync & charge, I have a standard mini-USB connector - the same one used on every new Motorola phone, the same one used by my digital camera, by a number of (non-iPod) MP3 players, and by the TI-89. One cable that connects everything - isn't that a better idea than all of these stupid proprietary connectors?
  43. Speak for yourself by SaDan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Long time Palm user, current Treo 700p owner.

    The iPhone is not a PDA, it's an iPod with a phone and contact list integrated into it. There are no business applications, and until I see an ssh client and can test how well it works with that icky looking touch keyboard, it's just a toy to me.

    I really hope the iPhone ends up with the applications it needs to take on business users as well as consumers with money to burn. Right now it really doesn't make me want to give up my Treo, let alone switch to a crappy cellular service provider.

  44. Reality check by jmorris42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > You have forgotten, that is exactly what the iPod entered into as well. A market that was fairly far along, with
    > a lot of products that offered more features than the iPod.

    Your memory has been rewritten by the Reality Distortion Field. Allow me to correct it.

    When the iPod first appeared the MP3 player market was filled with half finished devices from a slew of asian third tier houses, Creative and Rio being the only ones with ANY name recognition and their stuff was about as bad as the generic stuff from China. Players came in two flavors, flash based units with too little space to be useful and big bulky players with laptop drives and lithium ion batteries. If you could find any music outside the warez scene it was from pathetic selections with the DRM flavor of the month. So unless you were computer literate enough to rip your own CD collection you had to be a warez trader. Combine all this and the IT crowd and hardcore music freak cap was buying in but it wasn't mainstream.

    Then Apple introduced the iPod with the 1.8" drive, polished firmware, iTunes and the iTunes store and a slick marketing campaign and made portable music players a mainstream piece of consumer electronics. Yes others now offer players that work fairly sanely, everyone has a fairly level playing field in available components. Yes the DRM lock between iTunes Store and iPod is a terrible trap but 99% of their customers ain't bright enough to see it. Remember, they are selling to the massmarket consumer electronics market and diehard Mac faithful, neither are known for critical thinking.

    The problem is their competitors are still selling mp3 players into a market looking for iPods. By essentially creating the market they defined it. For now. Sandisk looks like they are figuring out how to move units, others will follow. Eventually even Microsoft will figure out how to make a device people might want. :) Five years from now Apple will be a third of unit sales at best, slowily sliding into their traditional Apple is entering into a field just as barren as the MP3 field was, in terms of user interaction with the device and integraton with computers.

    No, not quite. There are lots of good smartphones out there, judged by the only metric that counts, market penetration. When iPod appeared mp3 players were in less than a percent of the population's hot little hands, smartphones are already over that mark. And remember Apple isn't going to be able to have it's way with this market, the carriers rule their roost and aren't likely to be dumb enough to hand all of the profit centers over to Steve on a silver platter.

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  45. How can anyone by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    call 6 months of free advertising a "mistake"?

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  46. Re:Nothing to see here, but wait, don't move along by Rodness · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The trouble, such as it was, was that nothing was ready to announce, which is to say, ship.

    Remeber, Apple doesn't get to schedule Macworld around their product readiness, it's on the calendar a year ahead of time. If a product isn't ready, I'd rather them take the extra time to make it ready than to rush it out on a specific target date like so many other companies -- notorious for making shit products -- that I could name.

  47. Dogs and Cats by dangitman · · Score: 3, Funny

    The focus on the phone during the keynote also took away from the Apple TV announcement, put iPod sales at risk, gave competitors a head start, and (perhaps worst of all) ruined the company's talks with Cisco over the iPhone name.

    He went on to say that the iPhone keynote would also cause "Fire and brimstone coming down from the sky, rivers and seas boiling, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together and mass hysteria."

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  48. early iPhone? not likely by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 3, Insightful
    6 Months for the FCC approval doesn't look like the truth. I'm guessing its a long estimate to throw off other big phone manufactures. I expect to see the phone inside a few months.
    Not very likely. If there were any chance of a shipment much earlier than June, Mr. Jobs would have said, "We're shipping in the first half of 2007," but instead he said, "June". It's likely that there will be FCC approval within a couple months of the keynote address, but the remainder of the time will be production ramp up, software development and beta testing. Apple will be plenty busy getting this just right, they won't rush it out the door in March or April. They will be able to accept orders as soon as they get FCC approval, however. That will help them prepare for the June launch, too. I will not be surprised at all if they get over a million orders the first week, which would be ten percent of their announced two-year sales goal for the product. I hope they are adding server capacity to the Apple Store. There are probably a hundred thousand people who will click "Buy" to pre-order the iPhone within an hour of the FCC approval.
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  49. You're kinda missing the point by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Something Apple has been held to task for here before - the company is notoriously secretive and known for not sharing future product details, much to the displeasure of IT professionals. Yet now, preannouncing is a mistake.

    Poor Apple. Can't have it both ways, and gets criticized no matter whether they announce ahead of time or on the day something ships.


    You're kinda missing the important point that it's not the same people arguing the two sides, and it's for vastly different reasons. This time it's not someone whining "but I wanted (or didn't want) to know this early", but basically someone saying that Apple could have made more money by not pre-announcing this early. So lumping it all in a sort of a, "bah, people will whine no matter what Apple does" attitude is kinda missing the point.

    Was pre-announcing the iPhone really a mistake? I guess we don't know yet. Sometimes pre-announcements and paper launches serve to keep people from buying the competitors' products. See MS who has a fine history of drumming up future products years in advance, and it actually worked. (Oh yeah, NT will be soo great. Any time now. Just wait for NT instead of buying OS/2 or a Novell server.) And recently both AMD and Intel, and both ATI and nVidia, are occasionally doing the same thing: pre-announcing things half a year in advance, or pretending to "launch" a product when noone except the review sites will be able to get one for the next half a year. Same idea. If you're busy waiting for Intel's next super-duper solves-all-worlds-problems CPU, you're not buying an AMD which is available right now, or viceversa.

    Sure, you might lose a few customers who get bored and forget about your product in that time, as opposed to being able to buy it right now. But then, if it worked, you also gain a bunch of people who waited for your product instead of buying the competitions'.

    Will it eat into iPod sales in this time? Obviously Jobs doesn't worry too much about that possibility, so maybe he knows better.

    Will it give competitors the time to react? Maybe, but maybe not. The reason traditional phones do less isn't because the competition are drooling idiots. They've used a touch screen before, and the idea of a PDA phone isn't new either. The reason is: costs. Most phones are made for the larger market of people who want to get their phone for $1 with the contract, and sometimes get other freebies with it too. And there's only so much the telco will subsidize a phone. The iPhone is a rich nerd's high-tech toy, and it will be a niche product. Don't imagine that everyone who's on a McDonalds wage will blow half a grand on an iPhone and still end up with their arms and legs tied by a contract: they'll get a Nokia for $1 with the same contract. Think of iPhone vs mainstream phones a bit like in the graphics card arena: the 8800 GTX makes big headlines and pretty graphs on the news and review sites, but those slow 64 MB are what sells millions of chips and brings in the cash. Same here: just because Apple made an expensive high-end toy, doesn't mean everyone else will rush to replace their low end phones with expensive PDAs. Maybe they won't even react at all until they see how much of a market is there for such a toy.

    Etc.

    See? I'm not even a Mac fan, and it still wasn't too hard to come up with a smarter way of combatting TFA's worries than, basically, "people will whine about Apple either way." ;)
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  50. You don't understand "pundits", grasshopper by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You don't understand the media "pundits", grasshopper. Their job is solely to sound all smart and knowledgeable, make all sorts of comments on a know-it-all tone, make some wild predictions and take credit only for the ones that come true.

    E.g., if you predicted that Apple will make a PDA... some 5 years ago, do take the iPhone as confirmation that you're smart and predict stuff like the Oracle of Delphi. If you predicted that Intel will buy Apple (don't laugh, one idiot predicted just that), well, carry on as if that never happened.

    And most of all, never forget the first rule for prophecies: give them an event _or_ give them a date, but never both.

    E.g., if you predicted that someone will die of a heart attack (the event), don't tell them when, so you can still take credit for it 50 years later... when they're run over by a truck. Ok, tech ragazines and pundits predict about technology, not people, but the same metaphor applies verbatim. If you predicted in the 80's that the Mac will die because noone wants a graphics interface, feel free to act as if you were right all along when the slump happened at the end of the 90's, for completely different reasons. If you predicted that nVidia would buy ATI, feel free to act like you told everyone so when they get bought by AMD half a decade later.

    E.g., conversely if you predicted that something will happen in 6 months, don't tell them exactly what. As a practical example: in this case we know when the iPhone will actually hit the shelves, so this guy has the date set for him. So all that's left is to make some vague comments and avoid anything quantifiable or falsifiable. No matter how many iPhones will actually sell, he can still pretend that his prophecy was right and Apple would have sold more without a pre-announce.

    And again, be sure to sound like you're smart, knowledgeable, and can play Sherlock Holmes and pick the hints that everyone else missed. That's the stuff that sells ragazines. The more cryptic, far-fetched and conspiracy-theory-like it sounds, the more Joe Sixpack loves it. It makes him feel like he's learned some fantastic thing about technology and the technology companies. He suddenly feels like he's in the loop. He's suddenly no longer some frustrated guy sitting on the sideline, not knowing what happens and when will they finally ship a keyboard with an "ANY" key.

    And the journals love it because it gets Joe Sixpack to read them or browse their ad-ladden website.

    That's, in a nutshell, how all the Cringelys and Dvoraks and other bullshitters in tech journalism stay in business.

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  51. So much negative press over the iPhone already? by genegeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Go figure. Articles left and right about what's wrong with the iPhone. Many of them stuck on the name issue, i.e., the Cisco conflict. Some stuck on the features issue and some stuck on the price. Others worried about the size of the system and the lack of third party applications. Each of these is utterly meaningless. Completely without merit. The name could be anything. Who cares? Call it the rose-is-a-rose-by-any-other-name-Phone. The feature list is almost pure speculation and certainly bound to change. I've tried to use excel on a TREO. It sucks. (However, it also sucks to use google spreadsheets.) And MS Word? If you're using your smart phone for documents that are longer than email it's because you weren't prepared and didn't bring your laptop. And the price is a small fraction of any two-year contract. Even the Motorola Q and the Treo cost well over $2000 for a two year contract. We're talking a minimum of $60-$80 per month plus taxes and the initial phone costs. The OS could be on separate memory chips for all we know. And there is in fact speculation that Apple will let some developers release apps.

    HOWEVER, I for one hope the negative press continues, driving the stock price down. I expect to buy AAPL at a low just before the iPhone is released and then reap great profit as the stock price goes up. Every reviewer who has actually touched the iPhone wants to buy one. And I want to buy one.

  52. But then again... by Xcott+Craver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The functionality argument could always be made for the iPod as well. The iPod lacked features that could long be found in competing MP3 jukeboxes, and yet it was a commercial success. In fact, some of its comparative deficiencies are the same that were listed here for the iPhone. Yet consumers didn't reject it for the things it couldn't do. I think a big part of Apple's target market are people who want to have the cool gadget like an MP3 player or a smart phone, but who don't already have so much experience with them so as to expect specific features. I mean, who's the bigger market, people who already own Blackberrys, or people who have regular phones and are sick of not remembering how to set up a 3-way call, or which unlabeled button turns on speakerphone?

  53. Re:Untrue! by Skadet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right, that's the bummer. The reason is that RIM just basically doesn't support Macs, even as far as desktop software goes. You can sync iCal with your BB only with a 3rd party piece of software, I believe.

    If you haven't already, google around about Pulse, its inception is kind of interesting. Basically, a bunch of users were bitching about not being able to use their BBs as bluetooth modems, so one of them opened a bounty for a developer who wanted to write it, on the condition that either a) the software was free, or b) anyone who donated to the bounty got a copy for free. Apparently, they chose b).

  54. Re:Nothing to see here, but wait, don't move along by Tombstone-f · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I just wanted to point out that if you think the iPhone is vaporware then you don't seem to know the definition of vaporware.

    You see, a product is considered vaporware when that product is announced and then the release date constantly slips causing the eventual release of that product to be called into question.

    Things that are vaporware: Duke Nukem Forever and the Phantom Game Console, even Windows Vista could have been called vaporware at one point because the release date did constantly slip and it was possible it might not be released at all (at least not in the form that it was originally intended to be).

    The iPhone is not vaporware because it has a solid release date and there is no reason to believe that it won't be released.