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A New Twist On Skywriting

Nugget writes "The advent of Internet-based flight tracking technology enables an entirely new kind of skywriting. Gulfstream Aerospace sent up one of their $50M business jets today on an 8.5-hour test flight spanning 11 states for the sole purpose of leaving their mark on the Net in the form of a flight track that spells out 'GV' (the nickname of the Gulfstream V aircraft being flown) when viewed online."

149 comments

  1. Someone by giorgiofr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone give these guys something to do, STAT! :D

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    1. Re:Someone by AxminsterLeuven · · Score: 5, Funny

      How about "Aliens Attack Here -->" across a hemisphere you don't like?

    2. Re:Someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smell my gulf stream slave!

    3. Re:Someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally dude.

      Are they studying the effects of high winds on the fuselage? No.

      At a time in the world when need is the greatest, they venture to
      pull this crap.

      It's makes me sad the system is owned by such tyrants.

    4. Re:Someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the same thing. We've hit a point where the ultra-rich individuals and businesses are so out of touch with the average person that we have this useless form of skywriting and there's an oil mogul building islands to preserve his wealth before the oil runs out. Meanwhile there are people around the world deserving of attention and financial assistance that they will never get. It's yet another point that proves that humans suck ass and should all be exterminated.

    5. Re:Someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And here you are, posting to Slashdot rather than actually doing something.

      Perhaps you have taken it upon yourself to alert others to this important cause?

    6. Re:Someone by LukeyJunk · · Score: 1

      Or at least tell them they could just use Paint and save themselves some time and effort...

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    7. Re:Someone by yotto · · Score: 1

      I totally agree. Posting on slashdot and taking a $50 million dollar jet on a joyride to scribble two letters on a pixelated map of the US are both equal wastes of time.

  2. What a disgusting waste of fuel by jimmoores · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At a time when global warming is ruining our climate, this is obscene.

    1. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by pandrijeczko · · Score: 4, Funny

      You seem to forget that the private jets of $500,000+ salaried business executives use special Toorichtogiveashit patented non-global warming fuel unlike the economy class "Two or three times a year" passenger planes we prolls fly on.

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    2. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by keesh · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, because this makes a huge difference. It's good to see you complaining about things that matter, rather than attacking small irrelevant wastage.

    3. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by digitalsushi · · Score: 2, Informative

      "On a New York-to-Denver flight, a commercial jet would generate 840 to 1,660 pounds of carbon dioxide per passenger. That's about what an SUV generates in a month." -- http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2006-12-18- jet-pollution-usat_x.htm

      NYC to Denver: 1629 miles -- http://www.angelfire.com/md2/timewarp/cursortrail. html

      "4508 09322 GEP DPR RECAP MLS LWT BZN DBS FFU HVE RSK ALS PUB DVV RLG DVV PUB TBE LAA SNY RAP LBF ANY OVR HARPI" -- well I don't know how many miles that is. Cheers,

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    4. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of some environmental activist who was doing a book tour to promote her book covering commercial jet pollution. She traveled entirely by personal business jet to avoid flying a big, more economical-per-seat-mile passenger jet :P

      Wish I could google a link, maybe someone else will have better luck.

    5. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by got2liv4him · · Score: 0

      At a time when global warming is ruining our climate, this is obscene. INSIGHTFUL??!!?? I'm surrounded by nincompoops. I agree it's a waste of money... but global warming??! and you people think that was a contribution!
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    6. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by Instine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "small irrelevant wastage."
      Like you? I mean literally. You are unlikely to make a difference right? Who ever you are. So why bother right? One More SUV is hardly going to kill the planet. Not switching you crap off before going to bed - Buying your power from a company useing or investing heavily in renewables... None of it is going to make a noticable change right?
      Fuck whit.

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    7. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by Vr6dub · · Score: 4, Funny

      What's worse than that is I actually did a google search on this magic fuel you mentioned and then it dawned on me.

    8. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by CharlieG · · Score: 1

      Yep - about 75K lbs of CO2 for that stunt - or the equivilent of driving 3 SUVs for a full year

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    9. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by deadweight · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can we assume that you never do anything like drive your car to the movies. If you do, you are spewing C02 when you could just wait for a Netflix DVD to come to your door. Everyone who NEVER uses any kind of fossil-fuel provided energy to do ANYTHING not absolutely life-or-death, please go track down the Gulfstream owner and do your CO2 rant. The rest of you shut the fuck up.

    10. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

      Furthermore, there's no telling how much money this never-been-done-before advertising was worth. It may have cost us xxyy in CO2, however an alternative, spending $2 000 000 for 30 seconds of superbowl commercial space [an arbitrary guess], may have cost us 4xxyy in CO2 between the time and gas spent creating the commercial, and all the energy wasted running everybody's televisions those 30 seconds, etc.

    11. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "4508 09322 GEP DPR RECAP MLS LWT BZN DBS FFU HVE RSK ALS PUB DVV RLG DVV PUB TBE LAA SNY RAP LBF ANY OVR HARPI" -- well I don't know how many miles that is.

      That route is 3871.5 nautical miles according to DUATS.

    12. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by bshroyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not as bad as you make it out to be - if you imagine the average SUV-driving commuter has a 20-mile one-way commute, 20 days per month, that's 800 miles. On a "pounds CO2 per passenger per mile"** basis, commercial jet travel is quite efficient. In other words, that same SUV would produce twice as much CO2 if it were driven from NYC to Denver.

      In today's age, a better question is whether it's really necessary to go to Denver. There's still a lot of unneeded business travel going on, when voice- or video-conference would work just as well.

      (** quite possibly the worst, non-SI unit of measure I've ever used)

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    13. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by jimmoores · · Score: 1

      The point is that the amount of CO2 that can be produced without making Global warming worse is limited. That means that we have to share that 'carbon budget' amongst everyone on the planet. In short though - we don't.

      I live in Britain, and we're not the best, but we're about twice as efficient per capita as the US and we're one of the few countries on course to meet it's Kyoto targets.

      And I do personally try to make a difference. I've fitted low energy light bulbs to about 3/4 of the lights, I've got roof insulation and double glazing, I don't own a car (my girlfriend does, but it's only got a 1.0 litre engine). I shower rather than have baths (mostly) and I don't leave the tap on and I recycle most of my household rubbish (which reduces methane emissions from landfill). I'm not some kind of eco-nut either.

      I realize that most people aren't going to even do these minimal things, but don't try and tell me I can't suggest that other people don't go and produce vast amounts of CO2 without any good need just because my lifestyle produces _any_ carbon dioxide. Heck, breathing produces CO2, even dying produces CO2. The point is to minimize unnecessary production.

    14. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      At a time when global warming is ruining our climate, this is obscene.
      Well, yes and no -- though the CO2 produced is a problem, it's been shown tha global dimming due to jet contrails has had an ameliatory effect. Note that in the days when the US air fleet was gorunded after 9/11, average ground temperature increased by three degrees -- and the consensus is that only the lack of jet contrails could have caused that temperature increase.

      It's quite likely that we'll need to add extra contrails on purpose during the present century in order to hold off the worst effects of global warming until we've managed to deal with the underlying causes.
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    15. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by deadweight · · Score: 1

      There are good ways and bad ways to reduce C02. The best way, IMHO, is a tax on carbon containing fuels. I bet if gas was $5/gallon in the USA the average efficiency of our cars would go way up. The worst way, IMHO, is for some bunch of green-Nazis to form a committee and decide what is an acceptable use of fuel and what is not. I guess being a pilot makes me sensitive to this more than most people. Obviously a few people here would love to prohibit flying a G-V just for fun. My plane holds only about 50 gallons of gas, but I bet more than a few people would tell me I was a "carbon criminal" if they saw me filling up so I could fly for an hour after work just for some relaxing fun. What about boats, snowmobiles, motorcycles, and riding lawn mowers? What about big plasma TVs and air conditioning? Most 1st world people use VAST amounts of energy for things not strictly needed to survive. Would water-skiing become illegal? What about Las Vegas? That place probably uses more electritiy than some whole countries and no one NEEDS to gamble.

    16. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by jimmoores · · Score: 1

      I couldn't agree more: you can't just order people around about what to do. There is an element of personal responsibility, but that's up to the individual. I don't think that there's any harm in reminding people that they're using energy excessively though, although I wouldn't want it to become hostile in any way. As you suggest, I think the best way is to increasingly tax carbon-based fuel and electricity. Money is really the only way to get the large majority to change their behaviours. It also means you have a choice - if you choose to be more environmentally friendly you get a pay-off and more polluting peoples tax dollars go to pay for your public services. As a final payoff, it makes sustainable energy sources more relatively affordable (provided they have tax breaks).

    17. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by deadweight · · Score: 1

      Besides for all that, you are never going to get any decent energy use laws passed in the USA if anyone thinks they are going to be subject to some kind of "committee to decide who can buy gas for what". On the good news front, the new diesel fuel spec in the USA will finally let us use the highly efficient common-rail diesels sold in Europe :)

    18. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think switching off just one thing in this world will make somewhat of a difference...

    19. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by Alchemar · · Score: 1

      Will someone from netflicks be bringing it by bike, or will they likely put it on a plane fly it to your city, place it in a mail truck, and drive it to your house? It might have been better for the enviroment to drive to the movies instead. The problem is perspective. If you drive to the movies, then you are causing the carbon emmissions. If it wasn't you driving then it was someone else causing the carbon emmissions. The fact that it would be on your behalf would be irrelevent to most people, because it is outside of the world they have direct interaction with.

      Everything we do has an economic and enviromental impact. Everyone looks at direct fuel consumption, becasue that is in their direct realm of knowledge and understanding. That is the problem that most "green" energy sources have. They talk about how much carbon emmission for operation. They don't like to talk about how much fosssil fuel was used to melt and proccess the iron to manufacture it, the cost in petrolem for the people to get to work to build it, the raw petrochemicals used to make the plastic housing. It all adds up. You can not be a functional member in modern society without having a carbon footprint. Using the fact that everyone has a carbon footprint to claim that it is inapproriate to talk about doing something to reduce it, or pointing out that something was probably more wastefull than it needed to be does not elliminate the problem. Most large problems are not sovled by everyone taking care of their share first. Most large problems are solved by ellimiating the most sever case. Then the 2nd most sever case is now the most sever case, and you ellimiate it, until the remaining cases are considered too insignificant to be part of the problem.

    20. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by mollymoo · · Score: 1

      Heck, breathing produces CO2, even dying produces CO2. The point is to minimize unnecessary production.

      No, the problem is not CO2 production. Breathing and dying only release CO2 which was extracted from the atmosphere very recently. That kind of CO2 production is cyclic and averages out to nothing in a short (in planetary terms) period. It's CO2 production from sources which have been locked up in the Earth's crust for hundreds of millions of years and the resultant net increase in CO2 which is the problem. The only way to reverse it is to remove CO2 from the system again. That's why I think we should grow trees and bury them in clay to permanently remove carbon from the cycle.

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    21. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by nasch · · Score: 1

      Will someone from netflicks be bringing it by bike, or will they likely put it on a plane fly it to your city, place it in a mail truck, and drive it to your house?
      Yes, all of which they would have done anyway. If you would care to calculate the incremental fuel cost of transporting a DVD (I don't) I'm sure you would find it's less than driving to the movies. Far less. Your argument is like saying don't take the bus because buses burn more fuel than cars. The bus is running anyway, so if you're on it rather than in your car, you're reducing emissions.

      Don't take this to mean I agree with the other poster that we're not allowed to criticize this move unless we never go to the movies (or anywhere else we don't absolutely have to).

      Finally - that plane flew over my house! Or at least very close to it.

    22. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by mollymoo · · Score: 1

      Everyone who NEVER uses any kind of fossil-fuel provided energy to do ANYTHING not absolutely life-or-death, please go track down the Gulfstream owner and do your CO2 rant. The rest of you shut the fuck up.

      "Black and white thinking" - seeing the world only in terms of extremes - is a sign of mental illness. If you are honestly incapable of seeing that producing, say, ten tons of CO2 from fossil fuels is worse then producing one ton of CO2 from fossil fuels I suggest you go and see a psychiastrist.

      However, I suspect you aren't mentally ill but are simply using the fact that nobody is perfect to justify your being as destructive as you like, because you like your SUV and long-haul holidays and the convenience of lights which achieve full brightness in 0.05s instead of 0.5s. If someone drops a sweet wrapper, they can't criticise you for dumping a truckload of toxic waste, right? If someone bumps into you in the street, they can't criticise you for taking a baseball bat to someone's head, right? Wrong. Stop dodging and whining and take some fucking responsibility for your actions.

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    23. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'm not some kind of eco-nut either."

      No. You're worse. You're a moron.

      We've always had this CO2, always will have, until someone finds a way to get it off-planet. All the science papers are now backpedalling from their earlier predictions of doom and gloom.

        "...even dying produces CO2."

      Yup. Best thing to do to a greenie. Get them so sick that they choke on their own vomit.

    24. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by ShieldWolf · · Score: 1

      You seem to have missed the point that the jet had no passengers (other than the pilots) and that it wasn't doing anything useful in the air. It's like I drove the same route they did and didn't stop to see the sites or do anything at all and then when home. Both scenarios are a wicked waste of fuel.

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    25. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by deadweight · · Score: 1

      The issue here is the classic slippery slope. If someone gave me a G-V it would never fly without a load of paying passengers because I can't even come close to affording to fly it for fun. Just because I can't afford it doesn't mean I shouldn't care because sooner or later someone will come after something I can afford to do. Private aircraft use a trivial amount of the total fuel burned in the USA every year. If you think the G-V shouldn't be flying for fun, for advertising, or maybe not for any reason then there are a lot of things you might to put a stop to. Do 2 people need to live in a 4,000 sqare foot house? What about driving your SUV to the beach and renting a house with a heated pool? What about hot air balloons burning propane just because someone wants to float around for awhile and look at the scenery? If the whole country ran P-II 300 MHz laptops instead of 3.8 GHz machines with 19 or 21 inch monitors we would save a huge shitload of electricity! You can "go after" people who YOU think are using fuel for things you don't approve of, which would be a fascist nightmare, or just tax the damn stuff and let people make their own economic decisions. After all, look at how well CAFE standards DON'T work. You can't MAKE people buy small cars and have cheap gas. It just doesn't happen.

    26. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by AusIV · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's wasteful to make pointless flights like this, but the great-grandparent to this post made it sound like you should take your SUV from New York to Denver rather than flying, and cited articles to that effect. Taking a plane from New York to Denver is more efficient than taking an SUV, and the grandparent was trying to set the record straight on that. They also addressed unnecessary travel as wasteful. If anyone missed the point, it was the great-grandparent, who suggested plane flight in general is wasteful.

    27. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by deadweight · · Score: 1

      I don't have an SUV. Most of my holidays are aboard a sailboat that obviously uses very little fossil fuels. I also have mostly CF bulbs in my house, even though some of them take several minutes to get bright, not 1/2 a second. That said, if I feel like flying someplace I will. I legally earned the money to buy the airplane and the gas. So far it isn't a crime to go over X miles from your house on vacation. What would you suggest the legal holiday distance be? Glad to see you equate recreational activites that involve energy use with toxic waste dumping and assault :) This is exactly what frightens me. *Does anyone know where to get these .5 second CF bulbs? Seriously I want some.

    28. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by Richthofen80 · · Score: 1

      However, I suspect you aren't mentally ill but are simply using the fact that nobody is perfect to justify your being as destructive as you like

      And what the fuck do you call your 'holier-than-thou' rant about lightbulbs ? that's pretty destructive, not to mention all your comments are assumptions. Maybe he's a CFL-using, subway riding citizen like myself.

      His point was probably more about taking personal responsibility for actions, like 'you should probably focus more on your own personal consumption instead of screaming at the heavens about a test flight that probably had to happen anyways'. And if that was his gist, then its a good point. We get way more done when we focus on things we can actually change. (instead of, say, screaming at jet owners, or screaming at those who aren't screaming at jet owners).

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    29. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by mollymoo · · Score: 1

      Awww, you've gone and spoiled my rant. I was wrong to assume you're the worst-of-the-worst when it comes to emission of greenhouse gasses, and for that I apologise. Anyway, my assumptions about your activities aside, my point is that one should consider the argument, not the source. It doesn't matter whether someone is perfect, it matters whether they are right. Claiming that someone anyone who has ever used fossil fuels has no right to criticise excessive consumption of them by others (whether or not the incident in TFA is excessive or not is irrelevant to this point) is evasionary bullshit. It's is a very handy way to convince yourself whatever you do is not a problem though.

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    30. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by PoconoPCDoctor · · Score: 1

      Everyone who NEVER uses any kind of fossil-fuel provided energy to do ANYTHING not absolutely life-or-death, please go track down the Gulfstream owner and do your CO2 rant. The rest of you....

      I have to commute to my job, but according to you that's not life or death.

      Have to eat and pay the mortgage and support my son. Sorry.

      I use a Prius and drive as little as possible, but unless you are a full-time tele-commuter, CO2 will be produced. I'll buy an electric car when the price goes down and the range increases.

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    31. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by deadweight · · Score: 1

      Who decides what is excessive and how do they do it? To your average 3rd world hell-hole dweller running water might look like a profligate waste of resources. What are kids for anyway but running to the river with a bucket? If I use 50 gallons of gas waterskiing, was that excessive? What about 40? 20? Should waterskiing be illegal? Restricted to just skinny people that can get up behind small engines? What about snow skiing? It takes energy to get to the slopes unless you live there. Waht about the chair lift? Everyone can just hike back up. THAT is my point.

    32. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by mollymoo · · Score: 1

      Let the market work out what's excessive, by making the cost of fuel reflect the true cost - including the environmental impact and the cost of wars to protect the supply. At present, fuel is effectivley subsidised in most countries as these costs are not borne in proportion to consumption.

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    33. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by lazarusdishwasher · · Score: 1

      You keep bringing up waterskiing, And I have the perfect soultion. We need to add a tax to fuel prices to subsidize the creation of non flat lakes so that boats will no longer be nessecary for water skiing.

    34. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by drew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ah, but if you video conference to a meeting in Denver, you can't go skiing after it's over.

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    35. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by nasch · · Score: 1

      If you think the G-V shouldn't be flying for fun, for advertising, or maybe not for any reason then there are a lot of things you might to put a stop to.
      You're making a big leap there. Even if I think you shouldn't be flying your GV, that doesn't mean I think you should be prevented from doing so. I don't approve of people getting a Suburban to drive their only child to school, but that doesn't mean I think it should be banned. Of course there are plenty of people who DO think the things they disapprove of should be banned, but that's not everyone.
    36. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Can we assume that you never do anything like drive your car to the movies. If you do, you are spewing C02 when you could just wait for a Netflix DVD to come to your door.

      I would starve to death before Netflix delivered the movie to me. If it is in the theaters, how long is the wait for Netflix to deliver it? At least a few months for the DVD to be released would be a prerequisite. Even if I didn't hold my breath waiting for the delivery, I'd exhale more CO2 in the months waiting for the delivery than just driving to see it now. If you are going to go on your rant, at least pick something that makes a good analogy.

    37. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by briancnorton · · Score: 1

      It's a test flight. Not testing would have been the obscenity.

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    38. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your own rant is somewhat longer and more baroque than his. Trade in your SUV for a Toyota Prius, it will help you get over your repressed guilt complex.

    39. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by deadweight · · Score: 1

      Driving a car to a movie theater to see a first-run movie is a luxury that is no way needed by anyone. Sure the scale is different, but for a poor student a movie ticket and a gallon of gas might be a bigger chunk by percentage of their disposable income than a day goofing off in a jet for some rich guy. They are both increasing the CO2 level of the atmosphere just for fun.

    40. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by BT224 · · Score: 1

      My NetFlix are delivered by a truck, they don't magically appear in the mailbox. Bad analogy.

    41. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by brainburger · · Score: 1
    42. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 1

      Totally. What a hypocrite! I even heard that one time she lit a fire in her fireplace to keep warm. I figure that pretty much proves that there's no need to regulate airplane emissions.

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    43. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by luckyguesser · · Score: 1

      don't let the GP get to you... most things a consumer can do to reduce their personal CO2 emissions are trivial anyway. even if all consumers did those things. like has been mentioned elsewhere in the thread, you can buy your electric car or whatever and save on emissions that way, but how much fuel was burned up in the manufacturing of that electric car?

      the real kicker is that the electric car is going to be manufactured whether you buy it or not. (and yes, i know that due to an open market, the electric car manufacturers would eventually go out of business if people stopped buying them, but you get the point - capitalist economy is just wasteful.)

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    44. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by xQx · · Score: 1

      Baah! Who cares!

      Global warming won't hurt us, it'll hurt our children.

      I don't have children, and I hate your children.

      I get to drive an big, comfortable SUV and I know it's hurting those screaming annoying fat little children you lot seem to care so much about. Really it's win-win.

    45. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we're sick of everybody coming here anyway... stay home if you're planning on moving here.

      If you'd like to visit to ski, then you're okay. We like your money.

      If you're going to move here, get rid of the BMW and learn to drive in the damn snow.

      Disclaimer: I work for a company that builds conferencing equipment and I live in Denver.)

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    46. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am intrigued by your opinion, and would like to subscribe to your newsletters

    47. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by EricTheO · · Score: 1

      Most people don't drive their SUV's @ 50,000 feet and eject exhaust gases at temperatures above 1,000 degree's F. I believe that there is more harm per/pound of CO2 emmissions at high altitude than at the tailpipe of a car. Of course no emmissions is better still.

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    48. Re:What a disgusting waste of fuel by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 1

      You would have gotten extra points for "pounds of CO2 per passenger-kilometer" though... or maybe "grams per passenger-foot"?

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  3. So... by cp.tar · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... are we looking at a new type of spam?

    Can't wait to read "Enlarge your peanus" right above some skyscraper...

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  4. I didn't notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Until I read it online.

  5. what to sell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ok lets see, with the target demographic of someone likely to be going through flight paths... you are likely to advertise internet dating sites or burkahs.

    -Sj53

  6. Hmmmmmm by appleguru · · Score: 1, Interesting

    You've got to wonder why in the hell the FAA approved that flight plan...

    1. Re:Hmmmmmm by eric76 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't remember ever seeing any FAA regulation that you can only fly direct lines between airports.

    2. Re:Hmmmmmm by peragrin · · Score: 4, Informative

      As long as your not in restricted airspce you can fly in what ever circle you want. the sky is like the water, while there are "lanes" they are loosely defiend and fill a fraction of the total area in which one can fly.

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    3. Re:Hmmmmmm by MPHellwig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed the only regulations that interfer with your flight are the no-fly zones, the rest is up to you.

    4. Re:Hmmmmmm by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      He left a airport and arrived at the same airport. He didnt fly anywhere.

    5. Re:Hmmmmmm by svanderw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except for all of the regulations on exactly which flight levels you're allowed to fly at, depending on your direction of flight.
      Oh, and the equipment that you've got on your aircraft.
      And the time of day (in some circumstances)
      And the day of the week(in other circumstances)
      And the fact that Air traffic control needs to know where you're planning on flying.
      Europe is even more difficult to fly in based on all of the restrictions that they put against the flight paths attempting to adjust the air traffic flow.

      Oh, or were you basing the comment on the tiny non-jets(piston/turboprop) that can't fly very high.
      (speaking as someone who's attempting to manage this data for commercial flight planning purposes)

    6. Re:Hmmmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You might wanna check those visual flight rules again.

      Air traffic control doesn't need to know a thing, so long as you stay out of their controlled airspace. If you ask for radar following, the only thing needed is a transponder ident.

      Any licensed pilot can fly anytime they want, wherever they want (restricted airspace the exception of course). Without ever telling *anybody* *anything*

    7. Re:Hmmmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they do not micromanage the flights. If so, they would need several thousand more employees to review something that has no relavance on anything. Unlike the trends of many managers, not everything needs to be managed and controlled just for the sake of managing and controlling it.

    8. Re:Hmmmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But not at FL400, which is where this flight took place.

    9. Re:Hmmmmmm by Sacarino · · Score: 3, Informative

      You might wanna check the altitude again.

      While your point in general is correct about VFR flight, this guy was cruising at FL400 - Class A airspace.

      He would definitely had to have an IFR plan on file, otherwise he'd get a message from the tower to call a phone number when he landed... and that would be the end of his days as a pilot. That's assuming he didn't have a fighter come along to say hello beforehand.

      I would have liked to hear DEN Center asking wtf they were up to when it came time for that little loopy bit and back-track for the bottom of the "G"

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    10. Re:Hmmmmmm by GooberToo · · Score: 2, Informative

      The FAA does not approve flight plans. Pilots file them with the FAA. Flight plans are optional unless you fly IFR. Even IFR flight plans can be cancelled at any time, at pilot discretion. Ultimately, even if a flight plan is filed, it is not opened (activated) unless the pilot wants to do so. If a flight plan is not opened within two hours after the filed start flight time, it is automatically expired from the system. In some cases, it can be recovered up to three or four afters after, preventing a refiling...but don't hold your breath. Refiling is probably easier in most cases.

      The primary intent of a flight plan is simply to allow the FAA to intelligently dispatch resources in case you fail to close your flight plan. Basically, they want to know where they should call before they start searching air ports. If that fails, they need to know where to tell other pilots, CAP, rescue, etc., to start looking at your flight path. So on and so on. That way rescue escalation can proceed in a cost effective manner. Without a flight plan, in the event a mayday can not be sent, chances are the FAA wouldn't even know to start looking for you.

      Contrary to popular myth, there are lots of places, even in the US, which do not have radar coverage at all altitudes. As such, a flight plan becomes an important safety net.

    11. Re:Hmmmmmm by GooberToo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ironically, both this flight and the non-stop around the world flight can not be logged as cross country flight because they both arrived at their departure airport with no other stops. To log cross country time, you must have a stop somewhere other than your point of origin.

    12. Re:Hmmmmmm by MPHellwig · · Score: 1

      Well actual I was partial trained for F-16 Operation Control by the RNLAF (Dutch Airforce) so I guess we where more free in our movement then others :-)

      Although it's been a while ago, I remeber one of usual sayings like: If you're not faster then the Falcon or smaller then a kite, you better do as we like. ;-)
      Though mostly my navy buddy answered with: "Can you handle 130Kg of metal flying pinpointed towards you at mach 3? No? Thought so!"

    13. Re:Hmmmmmm by zackrentwood · · Score: 1

      If you RTFA, the flight took place at Flight Level 400 (i.e. 40,000 ft). This is well within Class A airspace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airspace_class_(Unit ed_States)#Class_A) which means that there are substantial requirements as to which pilots and aircraft may fly (IFR certification, etc) and that all flight paths are dictated by ATC. The pilots could have asked for a certain route ahead of time, but it's more likely that they got special permission from ATC.

    14. Re:Hmmmmmm by Quzak · · Score: 1

      The FAA doesnt approve flight plans. They just say some safety/basic rules of flight. Actual flight plans are approved by the Captain/owner of the vessel.

      The only time the FAA can step in on a flight plan is if you cross some no fly zones. These include the White House, Pentagon, some bridges, ect. Or if your flight plan would take you across vertical/horizonal lines that your craft is not permitted to cross at the time.

      I could fly a plane from NYC to LAX in a repeating circular pattern while increasing and decreasing my altitide the whole way.

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    15. Re:Hmmmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I would have liked to hear DEN Center asking wtf they were up to when it came time for that little loopy bit and back-track for the bottom of the "G""

      Probably went something like this.

      ATC: Gulfstream 1234 you are cleared as filed for the left teardrop to DEN radial 090.

      N1234: Roger, turning.

      Its not as uncommon a maneuver as you might think.

  7. and I thought... by Speed+Pour · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...the super bowl was an incredibly stupid waste of advertising money for a dot.com

    I guess they found a way to trump stupid

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    1. Re:and I thought... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its a test flight, its not as if the entire purpose of the flight was to do some skywriting, if they hadnt done this then they would have gone round and round in a figure of eight for exactly the same period of time. There were other reasons for this flight, which would have been the basis for the expenditure, this is jsut a little fun.

    2. Re:and I thought... by bitt3n · · Score: 1

      ...the super bowl was an incredibly stupid waste of advertising money for a dot.com
      nonsense. as a direct result of this advertisement I bought 10 G5's and am presently using them to write "Suck it, Polar Bears!" across the entire western hemisphere.
  8. They missed a V by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 4, Funny

    GVV for global vvarming.

    1. Re:They missed a V by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He most certainly does not believe in global warming...

  9. The first thing I thought of by chord.wav · · Score: 1

    was a plane doing a night flight with a huge array of big leds as in air writing
    Now THAT would be cool

    1. Re:The first thing I thought of by satellitenoise · · Score: 3, Insightful

      LEDs on a plane? That's dangerous. If it flies over Boston, they might consider it a hoax device.

  10. My only thoughts are by Timberwolf0122 · · Score: 2, Funny

    It looks a bit wobbly and crap, also couldn't they have spelt out more than 2 letters? I mean they had the entier US air space!

    Howlong befor a wealthy geek writes All You Base Are Belong to Us?

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    1. Re:My only thoughts are by marto · · Score: 1

      "Howlong befor a wealthy geek writes All You Base Are Belong to Us?"

      Or worse, Bill Gates pays to have the message "Please upgrade to Vista" spelt out in this manner, 24/7 :P

    2. Re:My only thoughts are by Arimus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just so long as the pilot doesn't have to crash at the end :)

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    3. Re:My only thoughts are by marto · · Score: 1

      If the in flight entertainment systems were Microsoft powered, I wonder how the passengers would react if half way through a movie, all of the screens displayed the BSOD :P

    4. Re:My only thoughts are by Arimus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or with vista, just stand by the cockpit and shout stop stop stop or eject eject eject ;)

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    5. Re:My only thoughts are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About as well as they'd react if the systems were Linux powered and refused to work because someone forgot to spend two days hunting down the non-free packages to play media that isn't Ogg.

  11. Etch-a-sketch by Alain+Williams · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doesn't it remind you of the drawings that you used to do with an etch-a-sketch ?

    1. Re:Etch-a-sketch by Kotukunui · · Score: 1

      Actually this is large scale variation on rather an old trick. Pilots training for WWII were given instrument flying training in device called a "Link" trainer. It looked like a mini airplane set up on a gimbal which turned and tilted in response to control inputs. They had a recording device called "the bug" which left an ink trail over a glass plate recording the turns and tracks for later assessment of the flight progress. Pilots would try and spell out rude words using the appropriate manoeuvers to make the bug form letters. I remember reading in a book by James Herriot ("It Shouldn't Happen To a Vet" etc...) about his attempts to spell out a word in a Link trainer. He didn't expressly state which word it was but he did talk about "...making rate 3 turns to form the top of the L's.." which makes me assume the word was "bollocks" (which was a reasonably rude word back in 1940's Britain)

  12. one way to make money out of testing... by fantomas · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well if you've got to send up a plane empty to do some flight testing, I guess it's a pretty good result if you can sucker the world's media into giving you global coverage about your company on the side!

  13. Horizon to horizon by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

    memories written on the wind...

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    1. Re:Horizon to horizon by MacDude1 · · Score: 1

      Extra credit for inserting apropos Rush reference. :)

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  14. It would have looked better by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 1

    if they would have used Cursive Writing. I'm assuming that they remember cursive writing.

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    1. Re:It would have looked better by Xaositecte · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Sure I know cursive, Fuck, damn, shit, hell....

  15. Cool but expensive by VincenzoRomano · · Score: 0

    It's been very cool. But quite expensive.
    Leaving a comment on /. with those two letters would have been cheaper by far.
    And with more visibility becasuse /. is more visited than Flightware.Com.

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    1. Re:Cool but expensive by Giometrix · · Score: 1

      "It's been very cool. But quite expensive.
      Leaving a comment on /. with those two letters would have been cheaper by far.
      And with more visibility becasuse /. is more visited than Flightware.Com."

      Maybe, but I think the demographics are slightly different. That, or maybe I'm the only one on Slashdot that can't afford a private jet :(

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  16. Me by Konster · · Score: 1

    Hey folks,

    I was the pilot for this flight, and it was a shakedown flight.

    But.

    The GV displayed in the flight path is purely coincidental.

    Truth is, I was lost.

  17. Failed marketing by bhmit1 · · Score: 1

    GV? Looks like the ice cream fell off the cone to me.

    1. Re:Failed marketing by Joebert · · Score: 1

      Yeah ?
      Imagine what the poor guy who just found out his secretary is pregnant thought when he muttered "god, give me a sign" right before he looked into the air & saw it.

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  18. It may be as popular as by mikerubin · · Score: 1

    Snakes on a plane

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  19. Surely by Centurix · · Score: 1

    We have some tech which could enable a plane with a computer controlled thingy and coloured smoke make pretty pictures in the sky?

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    1. Re:Surely by Romwell · · Score: 1

      They've been doing it all over Brooklyn last summer, with white smoke though. Some crop duster was writing things in sky, and each time it kept on for like a minute before the wind blew it away. Impressive, though I can't remember what copmany/priduct the ad was for =)

  20. Ugly font by Anders+Andersson · · Score: 5, Funny

    With a size of 3 billion points, breaking an earlier record, couldn't they have afforded a slightly more sophisticated typeface, such as Courier?

    My browser (Firefox) doesn't go beyond 72 points. Is there a skywriting plugin available somewhere?

    1. Re:Ugly font by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and to think I wasted my mod points on some random crap... Well done sir

    2. Re:Ugly font by xrayspx · · Score: 1

      FlightML is meant to convey text. You are looking for some kind of meta-formatting information which should be controlled by stylesheets.

      /yeah, it was a reach, but the CSS nazis have been bugging me lately

  21. I don't get it... by Machine9 · · Score: 1

    ...what on earth is the point of skywriting in a scale so large the only way to see it is on a crummy flightplan?

    1. Re:I don't get it... by Technician · · Score: 1

      ...what on earth is the point of skywriting in a scale so large the only way to see it is on a crummy flightplan?

      Dig further. It includes the GPS logs including ground speed, altitude, lat and lon recorded every couple minutes. You can tell when they hit the jetstream (or maybe the throtle) as level flight went from around 300 knots to 500.

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  22. Ob Futurama by LarsWestergren · · Score: 4, Funny

    Leela: "Didn't you have ads in the 21st century?"
    Fry: "Well sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio, and in magazines, and movies, and at ball games... and on buses and milk cartons and t-shirts, and bananas and written on the sky. But not in dreams, no sir."

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  23. 11 states? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1
    I count 12 on the map...

    1. Wisconsin
    2. Iowa
    3. Minnesota
    4. South Dakota
    5. Wyoming
    6. Montana
    7. Idaho
    8. Utah
    9. Colorado
    10. New Mexico
    11. Nebraska
    12. Kansas
    1. Re:11 states? by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      I did too, but maybe they didn't count the small portion of New Mexico. It's possible the map is slightly off and they never actually entered.

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    2. Re:11 states? by slughead · · Score: 1

      Wyoming doesn't really exist.

      According to Garfield, Wyoming is an Indian word for "nobody lives here"

    3. Re:11 states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Have you ever been to Iowa?

      Eleven.

  24. her book? or his movie? by way2trivial · · Score: 2, Funny

    here is a quote from the net.. Can you figure out without hitting the link who it's referring to?For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film. (In reality, Paramount Classics, the film's distributor, pays this.)

    http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:HB_qxPVZ4AsJ: underthenews.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_archive.html+ snopes+ecology+irony+author+private+jet&hl=en&ct=c lnk&cd=1&gl=us

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  25. Reminds me of this guy by giafly · · Score: 1

    Suspect planned smiley face bomb pattern ... Accused mailbox bomber Lucas Helder told authorities he was planting pipe bombs in a pattern to show a happy face during his five-state weekend spree - cnn
    If you ever feel the urge to imitate any of these people, try signing your name by pissing in the snow instead.
    That is more impressive and demonstrates more skill.
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    1. Re:Reminds me of this guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was one of the most hilarious bombing campaigns ever. I wish terrorists should learn from him and inject a little comedy into their attacks, even just little things like writing LOL PWNED BY ALLAH on their bombs or something.

  26. Now that is just silly by waif69 · · Score: 1

    The only people that would be attracted to this are the people who are already planning on buying a GV. It's not that people on the ground would be able to say "Oh, that is really cool, let's go buy one."

  27. Airvertising? by blankoboy · · Score: 1

    Just wait until we have flying cars and every Joe spam-pack can airvertise tothe masses. We'll need symantec anti-airvertising goggles to filter it out!

    1. Re:Airvertising? by Shadyman · · Score: 1

      We'll need symantec anti-airvertising goggles to filter it out!

      My eyes! The goggles do nothing!

  28. How about google earth adverts! by 33_softly · · Score: 1

    Now that would be a cool way to get come attention. Much like when Google did some fly overs in Australia there were people out in athletic fields trying to get noticed with big temporary signage.

  29. Very Ms GVUS by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1

    Nothing else to say on this very funny expensive pollution BizPrank.

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  30. They were probably going to fly anyway. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe you missed the part of the article where they said this was a test flight. As in, they were testing the plane. The choice of route was a stunt, granted, but if they hadn't flown a great big "GV," they probably would still have done the test flight, and just flown around in a circle, or some other arbitrarily-defined pattern. It's just that flying in this particular pattern got them some extra press, so why not?

    Calm down a little before you flip out, next time.

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    1. Re:They were probably going to fly anyway. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't downplay a good ranting with your "facts".

  31. Lookup in the Sky by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    That flight was a stupid waste of fuel and time. The point of skywriting is to push a message to vast numbers of people in the sky we all have in common, "just look up". That version requries people to search to pull a flightpath in an obscure webpage that they "look up" with a great deal of effort for a tiny reward.

    But who cares about the stupid skywriting stunt? That flightpath page is supercool. How do I find the specific flight number of a commercial flight I took, to look at my actual flightpath, without poring through all the flight activity from its originating airport?

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    1. Re:Lookup in the Sky by Sacarino · · Score: 2, Informative

      On the sidebar, there's a Flight/Tail # input box. You'd put your airline's ICAO/IATA code in there along with the flight #

      For instance, DAL1237 (or DL1237) will give you Delta flight 1237 from Atlanta (ATL) to Orlando (MCO)

      A quick and dirty lookup is at this website, although you can find 'em all over the place

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    2. Re:Lookup in the Sky by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      no, that flight plan will stand out in a number of systems, many of those for serious aviation. That FlightPath resource isn't obscure, I've friends in aviation who use it daily.

    3. Re:Lookup in the Sky by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      How valuable is this kind of advertisement in that tiny market? Compared to its cost? Huge waste.

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    4. Re:Lookup in the Sky by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      I was speaking of the same people who influence the purchase of corporate jets, this is just a little awareness stunt. the cost for the "ad" was tiny compared to the profit from one sale. Gulfstream only need link to image in some online aviation rag

  32. STUPID HUMAN TRICKS by InsaneProcessor · · Score: 1

    Now that is just plain DUMB!

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  33. Hey, aviation has geeks too! by DaedalusLogic · · Score: 1

    Aviation geeks have web sites they like to or have to look at every day. This advertisement is meant to target those people, and then creep out and get a few eyes outside of the aviation community. Someone looking at flight plans for aircraft in the Midwest would probably get a kick out of it.

    It's kind of the same situation if you had someone outside of the tech community look at a review for a bright and shiny $5,000 PC. We all know it's excessive, expensive, and something a non-tech will hardly understand. However, it gets us thinking about the components, and the capabilities of some of the hardware in that PC. We then want to either pony up and buy it if we're well funded. Or we buy the components and try to build something similar. If we can't do that, we can buy a budget model from the same manufacturer.

    Gulfstream was saying, "Hey look at our technology, the avionics, and the pilots that fly our aircraft." We can fly out of an airport and using our Garmin G1000 suite to carve a precise course and get to our destination relatively quickly. Compare that to, "Dual core processors make your database server retrieve data more quickly".

    The $5,000 PC and the $50,000,000 both use up an obscene amount of resources... no doubt about that. But people flying these aircraft need practice too... They're not just the people flying billionaires around. Some of them fly commercial aircraft too. They have to get up there and learn how to use the systems and conduct long cross country flights before they're trusted with many human lives. If they throw in an advertising ploy in between... Hey... they're killing two birds with one stone. You wouldn't like it if someone came in and unplugged your PC while you were playing a game or reading Slashdot because you were, "Using up energy that was contributing to global warming", would you?

  34. Lowprofile dogma... by deesine · · Score: 1
    At a time when global warming is ruining our climate, X is obscene.

    Where X = anything remotely connected to large amounts of fuel/energy usage

    Yup, it's official. You haven't lost your religion.

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  35. Is this one for Carly? by the+saltydog · · Score: 1

    Perhaps this is one of the jets HP ordered for Ms. Fiorina, before she got the boot.

    I didn't realize Gulfstream took so long to build their products. Maybe they can sell it to the King of Spain instead.

    1. Re:Is this one for Carly? by leadsling · · Score: 1

      I live in Savannah, GA(Gulfstream's home) and yes it does take a while to build one. The interiors are custom made and are pretty elaborate. They also have an order backlog of about 2-3 years. And the king of Spain probably has one or already has one on order. ;)

  36. GV has other meanings... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In some parts of the world, GV is a common abbreviation for GATVOL - or "fed up" (to the max).

    http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,9 294,2-7-1442_1987003,00.html/

    Way to go, silly airline!

  37. They should have let this guy do it by Baberaham+Lincoln · · Score: 1
  38. Somebody there... by FernandoBR · · Score: 1

    ... is playing WAY too much Fligh Simulator... Well, anyway, it's better than if they're playing some FPS...

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  39. Not Necessarily... by pilot-programmer · · Score: 1

    Look at FAR 61.1(b)(3)(vi)(B). If working towards an ATP (admittedly, these pilots probably were not) all you have to do is go 50+ nm and turn around.

    Anal? Yes, but not as bad as the guys at your local FSDO...

    1. Re:Not Necessarily... by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      Ah! I didn't know that (just PP w/complex). I'm used to the typical > 50nm from departure airport with landing (T&G allowed, IIRC). With any luck I'll start working on my IFR ticket toward the end of this year. Are you just really on top of the FARs (a CFI?) or working on your ATP?

      I've just started shopping for a plane. Hopefully I will be an owner sometime in the next couple of months.

      Also, don't forget to write your Congresman about user fees!

    2. Re:Not Necessarily... by pilot-programmer · · Score: 1

      I am a PP ASEL and AMEL with IFR. I was looking at getting an ATP because I was under the mistaken impression that certificate was required for a Citation type rating.

      I don't own my own plane, but I am in a club that owns a Warrior and 182. I put about 150-170 hours per year on the 182. The club is considering selling the 182 and buying a Diamond or Cirrus. If they do I just might make an offer on the Skylane.

      The only drawback to being in the club is that people get upset if you take the plane for more than a week. Living in Washington state I have made a few runs to the LA area, but as long as I am using a club airplane I will not be flying myself to the Bahamas.

      What are you in the market for?

    3. Re:Not Necessarily... by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      Been flying a Warrior II my self. I trained in a 172. Only just recently got checked out in an Arrow; thusly my complex. Must say I enjoyed that!

      I'm hoping to find an IFR equipped M20G/F/J. Really want to have a G-430 in it and nicely equipped for IFR. I recently rode/flew in both an M20A and a M20J. The M20A is a 2-seater with 4-seats (same with B-E models). The M20J on the other hand (same size as a F or G), really is a 4-seater's 4-seater. Best of all, it loves tall people; which I am. The J(160knt on 200hp) just goes faster versus a F (150knt on 200hp), which is faster yet than a G (143knt on 180hp). The G/F/Js actually have a little more room than a 182. Having said that, the 182 is going to have about 180 pounds (I think) more useful load with full tanks. But then again, the straight legged 182 doesn't have the retract weight and pays for it in higher fuel burn and much shorter range.

      Sorry if I told ya what you already knew. I'm finding that most people know nothing about Mooneys, save only for a bunch of old wive's tales. Needless to say, and I'm sure you can tell, I'm pretty jazzed about Mooneys right now.

  40. NOT skywriting by CompMD · · Score: 1

    The title of this post is misleading. Who said Gulfstream did ANY skywriting during this test flight? They had no smoke machine, they drew no message in the sky. Usually, aircraft are stripped down during test flights to make room for instrumentation, data acquisition equipment, and flight test engineers. A smoke machine would have been pointless. The path you see is their ACTUAL flightpath, not some smoke trail. If you were on the ground, you never would have seen anything other than another business jet flying over you.

  41. Re:What a tiny insignificant amount of fuel by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    what a load of crap, the carbon from 20 billion gallons of aviation fuel used in a year in the U.S. are small compared to gasoline (over 150 billion gallons) or diesel (over 70 billion) or natural gas.