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Microsoft Segments Linux "Personas"

RJ2770 writes "Microsoft has started a project for their partners to help identify the personas of different Linux users in an attempt to sway them toward Microsoft products. In addition to the web site there is a podcast on the market research behind the project, again directed at Microsoft's selling partners."

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  1. MS controls /.? by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess MS can control /. and already knows that I won't be swayed, since I got a "nothing to see here message"

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    1. Re:MS controls /.? by Fordiman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah. You notice there's no 'Zealotous Fanboy' category. I guess I'm one of the few ^_^.

      No, seriously. This is the kind of marketer-speak that gets nothing done whatsoever. There IS nothing to see here.

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  2. Selling Partners by Lithgon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I bet that the "Selling Partners" just happens to be a company named Dell.

    1. Re:Selling Partners by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I bet that the "Selling Partners" just happens to be a company named Dell.
      Not in this case. Sure, Dell (and other PC OEMs) sell a lot of Windows XP/Vista for Microsoft, but Redmond also has a huge army of reseller/consultants who push Windows Server, IIS, ASP, SQL Server, etc. on business IT departments. What little of this training tool I was able to take in before my eyes glazed over was clearly written in their jargon, and aimed at helping Microsoft's sales drones keep penguins from taking over the Enterprise.*

      *(which would have made a fun episode of ST:TOS)
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  3. So where's the poll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I want to vote on which one I am!

    1. Re:So where's the poll? by mackyrae · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not an aficionado, but given that their definition has half the boxes being Linux, and I'm Linux-only, I guess I fall there. I'm definitely not one of the first 3 cuz video games haven't sent me back to Windows yet (#3), I'm using it now, not just thinking about it (#2), and I'm quite sure Linux is what I like (#1). So, yes, I fall in the category of "Linux is better. Period." but I don't see how that equals "aficionado." My mom and sister both prefer Linux over Windows because of it's cost, security, and ease of use. It seems they've decided to stick with it for good (my brother and sister want to have their own Linux laptops when they go to college in a few years). While I can figure out how to fix the occasional problem, they can't so can't be called "aficionados" but they also don't really fall into the first 3. I think the only way my mom would use Windows is if they switched to GNOME.

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  4. Shooting themselves in the foot by theGreater · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Under the "Application Driven" Persona Profile:

      - place application needs ahead of platform decisions
      - will support whatever platform best fits the application
      - application needs driven by business needs
      - very satisfied with current Linux installations

    So, remind me again how these bullet points help win AGAINST Linux?

    -theGreater.

    1. Re:Shooting themselves in the foot by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's part of a philosophy called "know thine enemy." Generally good practice, whether in business or at war.

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    2. Re:Shooting themselves in the foot by PinkPanther · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not sure if "enemy" is the right word to describe a (hopefully) potential customer.

      This site is a sales tool to help sales folks penetrate into different environments where Linux has some level of establishment. Based on a set of simplistic characteristics (how ingrained is Linux? how risk adverse is the customer? are they frothing-at-the-mouth OSS-kool-aid punch drunks?), the tool gives generalizations as to the type, size and length of each opportunity across 5 broad categories.

      This type of tool is great for sales folks trying to get their heads around something they don't really understand. Right off certain approaches with broad strokes, and push the blue kool-aid instead.

      Where a lot of this falls down is the reliance of already-proven sketchy evidence (Get The Facts, TCO studies, etc...), and some overly simplistic anecdotal evidence ("Customers are already switching from Apache/Linux to IIS6/Windows" ; "Customers are finding that development with ASP.NET is quicker and easier" ; ...). The reason that the sales cycle is longer for some of the types is that either they are rabid OSS drones (medium-length cycle; note to sales folks - do a political end-run around the geek) or they actually have successful experience with the alternative platforms (longest cycle; note to sales folks - it is going to be a hard fight and a lot of the "sales tools" relied on for other profiles likely will fail here).

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    3. Re:Shooting themselves in the foot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Not sure if "enemy" is the right word to describe a (hopefully) potential customer."

      That's the whole problem; Microsoft knows they need more potential customers, but they see _everybody_ as an enemy, even their loyal customers. Whether it's beneficail or not is irrelevant; it's the only way Microsoft is able to think.

    4. Re:Shooting themselves in the foot by caitsith01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Try actually reading the website - it's supposed to be helping MS people to identify and understand Linux people. That list is merely a list of characteristics of that type of Linux user, not a list of 'problems with Linux' or 'reasons to use MS.'

      In fact I think the open source movement should be waaaay more worried about this type of thing than the usual rantings from Redmond - this has the hallmarks of a well researched strategy, with good identification of the reasons people might be using Linux. That will allow much more carefully planned attacks on Linux market share.

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    5. Re:Shooting themselves in the foot by guisar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's interesting, having watched the podcast and having recently attended an OLPC presentation, to compare and contrast. At the OLPC demo I was VERY impressed by the dedication and enthusiasm of the OLPC reps. Each and everyone was sincere and very focused on what might improve the PC. They were open to any and all ideas and very seemingly adept at both implementing good ideas quickly and removing cruft whenever it was discovered.

      The MS presentation was also very focused- in this case not on what might help the person do their job better or save them money but - how soon you could sell and what their potential revenue stream was. Yeah- the "zunecast" was a sales pitch but couldn't they at least have thrown in a bone about helping the customer?

      I experience it all the time. MS Fanboys are SELL, SELL, SELL. Every pitch is dedicated to SELL, SELL, SELL. So I get it- sales are important to a business but really, it's annoying. Right up there with telemarketers at this stage.

    6. Re:Shooting themselves in the foot by killjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The more they attack linux and open source the more make it legitimate in the eyes of the business users. They will never win that war.

      I suppose they tried ignoring it and it didn't go away so now there are no other options but still.

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    7. Re:Shooting themselves in the foot by suckmysav · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Try actually reading the website "

      I did, it crashed my browser.

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    8. Re:Shooting themselves in the foot by VE3MTM · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mohandas Ghandi

      This article is a sign we're deep in the fighting stage now.

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  5. The gloves are off by The+Bungi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I expect that for the next few weeks the majority of the "Linux community" will be on the floor foaming and making lame jokes about Bob and flying chairs.

    Microsoft is taking you seriously now - you better start doing the same thing.

    1. Re:The gloves are off by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      "I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant."

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    2. Re:The gloves are off by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Informative

      Microsoft has been taking Linux seriously for some time. That's why they underwrote SCO's bullshit action against IBM. Quite frankly, I wouldn't want to be the guy reporting to Ballmer "They reason they like Linux is because they think you're a lying, thieving fuck with anger issues."

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    3. Re:The gloves are off by pembo13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Who is this you? unline Microsoft, Linux is not a single , profit driven entity. And that is the beauty of it. It was always designed to be a problem solving and technology driven entity. The GNU people helped a great deal with adding problem solving tools. I don't use Linux heavily because it I think it is generally easier (which I do), not because access to it is free (which I appreciate, and helps takes the complexity out of things)... but I use it because I think it suits me, and the majority of my needs better. Any need I have, or can think up which Linux (and software currently running on it) does not satisfy for me, would be satisfied by the Mac guys (and software running on it). So MS is free to take "me" seriously or not, it doesn't change the fact that Linux continues to solve my problems.

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    4. Re:The gloves are off by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
      -Gandhi

    5. Re:The gloves are off by oztiks · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry but Microsoft taking the Linux community seriously? WHA?

      All i can say about that is .... BAHHHHHHH .... BAHHHHHHH ... BOOO *SQUEAL* (pull stupid face and jump up and down like a baboon).

      Microsoft ISN'T taking us seriously. Microsoft is WORKING an angle. A research angle to produce something to disrupt the Linux market perhaps? and maybe try and win some of them over with their already sabby product line? Why oh why would anyone from the Linux community want any part of it? the whole point of Linux is to stay away from defective-by-design built operating systems and applications.

      When Microsoft magically fixes this (which by the looks of Vista they haven't) then I'll act seriously but when MS is trying to hock the same shit time and time again then ... what am i saying .. even if they do that i still want no part of it.

      Remeber we are also told that the TCO Linux higher then Windows, oh wait ANOTHER PLOY FROM MICROSOFT!

      Linux is free end of story. If you cant run a piece of free software cheaper then piece of commercial software then confucius say "RTFM and stop blaming Linux!"

      Simple rule .. Microsoft == business "Make money don't care about anything else" Linux != business "Written by people in free time out of passion and the drive to do so"

      When i look at something I try to see where its coming from, Microsoft comes from fairly black and well just black perspective there isn't anything white about its, its profit and profit no profit then get shitty and chuck chairs.

      Linux happily does what they do, upholds a simple outlook "we don't want your bucks we just want to build an os" attitude and the "Oh we pissed off Microsoft" well that was just a Bi-product of their works and a RMS extremist view, which seems to really be taking shape over the last few years.

    6. Re:The gloves are off by Mr_eX9 · · Score: 2, Funny

      But they will never beat our fuel-efficient cars and hi-fi stereos!

    7. Re:The gloves are off by jkrise · · Score: 5, Funny

      Okay.... I'll resist the temptation to talk about chairs, and start taking Microsoft seriously. I'm a Linux user in some MS category, and a marketing team from MS has flown down to my office from Seattle. What next?

      "I expect that for the next few weeks the majority of the "Linux community" will be on the floor foaming and making lame jokes about Bob and flying chairs.

      Microsoft is taking you seriously now - you better start doing the same thing."


      MS Team: We are very serious!
      Me: Shall I call an ambulance?
      MS Team: No no no.... we are very serious about you, a Linux user.
      Me: I see... take your chairs..... ooops take your seats and let's talk seriously.
      MS Team: We are serious about you. Which category Linux user are you?
      Me: I'm just a Linux user.
      MS Team: Are you an experimenter, follower, aficionado, transitioner or...
      Me: I'm just a normal Linux user.
      MS Team: Before we talk among ourselves in the presentation we must classify you. Why do you like Linux?
      Me: Because it works all the time, gets my work done, doesn't bother me with Genuine Updates.
      MS Team: But we are serious about security. Is Linux secure? Are you secure?
      Me: I'm very serious about my job security. I've been running this Linux server app for over 5 years, no problems till date... just user management and the odd feature upgrade.
      MS Team: We are serious about security. Did you know that the London stock exchange uses Windows Servers because of security?
      Me: How much did they pay for the servers?
      MS Team: We are serious about security. Hmm... let's see... just a few million quid...
      Me: My job will be gone if I bought your servers for 'security' reasons... what is this security you talk of?
      MS: We are serious about security... our server is so secure no one can break in... we'll be monitoring it ourselves to see nothing touches your server... only licensed signed applications will run... unlike your Linux box which runs everything.
      Me: Will it run my application?
      MS Team: We are serious about security. Have you got it certified by Verizon?
      Me: Nope... why should I certify MY program which I wrote with some XYZ comapny?
      MS Team: We are serious about security. How else can we know your app is not a virus?
      Me: But why would I write a virus on my own server?
      MS Team: We're serious about security. How do we know who wrote it? We've got to certify everything that runs on your server.... we're serious about security.
      Me: What if I perform some feature upgrades? Should those be certified as well?
      MS Team: We are serious about security. Every program has to be certified.
      Me: I'd be damned if I'm gonna send every bit of code to you guys for labelling.
      MS Team: We are serious about security. How else will you be secure?
      Me: Maybe because I believe in myself and my programming skills?
      MS Team: We are serious about security. Are you a certified programmer?
      Me: Nope.... but I'm sure each one of you is Certified.... idiots, that is. Now get the hell outta here and get yourselves certified again. Seriously!
      MS Team: We are serious about you, a Linux user. We are serious about security.
      Me: AAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    8. Re:The gloves are off by jlarocco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Microsoft is taking you seriously now - you better start doing the same thing.

      Eh, fuck 'em. You can't stop people from working on software in their free time and giving it away.

      Not everyone cares about "beating" Microsoft.

    9. Re:The gloves are off by mackyrae · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They could always tell him to read CatB, re-read the Halloween Documents, and spend a week reading /.

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    10. Re:The gloves are off by alienmole · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Microsoft is taking you seriously now - you better start doing the same thing.
      Oh, please. Microsoft is in a desperate battle to hang onto its monopoly. Its revenues are at risk because its cash cow product lines have all long since hit maturity. And we should "take it seriously" why? Just ignore it, it'll go away.
    11. Re:The gloves are off by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or lose. In which case you usually don't have anything witty to say, which is why that wisdom is often ignored.

    12. Re:The gloves are off by Foofoobar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Microsoft is taking you seriously now - you better start doing the same thing.
      Why? The 800-lb gorilla doesn't know which of the million gnats gnawing at its flesh to swat to make the rest of them go away. And all the swatting and thrashing it does only makes the swarm more aggressive.

      They tried to pass laws against open source which failed because too many enterprises use it. They tried (and continue to try) a FUD campaign which fails because too many people in the IT industry see the benefits vs the costs (both in downtime and in software price). They tried attacking through a separate company (SCO) but that failed and actually created a media storm for Linux and open source. Now with Novell, they are trying bundling with Linux.

      Microsoft doesn't know who, where or what to attack. For every foe they take out, another more innovative implementor arises. Could Microsoft have seen Ubuntu taking off? By the time they notice the threat, come up with a plan and act, it's already too late. The lb of flesh has been removed from their corpse. They act out of arrogance and in shows in everything they do as well as this latest campaign.
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    13. Re:The gloves are off by Foofoobar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't get your terminology confused. They dominate the DESKTOP market, not the PC market; they have never dominated the server market though they try to say they do by slanting in in SALES figures. But since OPENBSD, FREEBSD and LINUX don't cost a dime (generally), those stats from Microsoft mean nothing. In fact, stats from Evans Data Corp put Linux on approximately 33% of all corporate servers.

      When you consider that Microsoft is still trying to fight SUN, IBM and the old UNIX's to get it's products onto your servers not to mention that they made this push before and it bit them in the ass (can you say Code Red?), this is a huge chunk of the market that just got nabbed right out from under them. And from the same report by Evans Data corp, Linux is in 67% of corporate server rooms, up from 43% only a year ago. Microsoft only wishes it could sell it's product this well.

      Microsoft has to do more than sit back and mature. They need to grow up. That means stop being a child and let other people play with your toys/API's. How many times is the Justice dept/EU going to have to slap them before they get the picture?

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  6. I tried the screening tool by swillden · · Score: 4, Funny

    It showed a picture of RMS and said "Give up".

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  7. different kinds of users by mastershake_phd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Like M$ has 90% of the desktop I would think 90% of linux users are "advanced" computer users.

  8. Re:Is this a hoax? by whiteknight31 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well the copyright date is from 2006 and look at this Whois result.

    http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=http%3A%2F%2F www.linuxpersonas.com&tld=com

  9. I ddin't see my persona in here by NixieBunny · · Score: 3, Funny

    I work at a university using Linux for a distibuted telescope control system. There was nothing in the persona list about either universities or machine control. I guess we're safe from the Microsoft marketing megamachine for now.

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    1. Re:I ddin't see my persona in here by NixieBunny · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess so. However, one chief requirement of our application is "no BSOD" to prevent the telescope antenna crashing into the platform, so Windows was ruled out in about 12 nanoseconds.

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    2. Re:I ddin't see my persona in here by DeadChobi · · Score: 3, Informative

      You've just outlined the major reason that scientific programming is not done under Windows. When you're relying on your system to stay online for 3 days while it's compiling or running a simulation, you don't use something that crashes all the time or will restart itself or prompts you for updates, or may even interrupt whatever it is you're doing. The reason my school has a *nix lab is because we use it for scientific programming. It's not something the IT department seems to care about. We wouldn't even think of writing anything truly important for Windows.

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  10. Most users probably don't even know it by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Many, if not most, Linux systems are embedded: cell phones, routers, Tivo, digital tv, point of sale terminals etc.

    Probably most of those don't even know that Linix is involved.

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    1. Re:Most users probably don't even know it by WillyDavidK · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've actually seen a picture of a first class seat on an airplane with tv screens in the back of the headrests - the system was still booting when they got on the flight, and you could see the linux startup sequence, complete with tux sitting at the top of the screen.

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  11. They forgot.. by Mr_Tulip · · Score: 5, Funny

    #6: People who hate Microsoft, and would prefer to use an abacus to MS software (37% of slashdot users)

    1. Re:They forgot.. by jmv · · Score: 3, Funny

      would prefer to use an abacus to MS software

      On the plus side, when's the last time you heard of an abacus being remotely compromised to start sending spam?

  12. From the popup window ... by slimey_limey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">flashEmbedString("uscsi_web .swf", "7","1000","650","#000000");</script>

    I see that Microsoft is taking good, strong steps to prevent those evil Linux users from viewing this secret data!

  13. Re:Is this a hoax? by hedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

    MS should really start by figuring out what is useful for their users, then for Mac/Linux/BSD/something else users want.

    I personally wonder at what point "innovation" was defined as get in the way of the two functions all ones users need. Just make an OS which is fast/efficient and doesn't throw up cryptic error messages regularly and I will be reasonably happy with whatever else goes on.

  14. drilling further by game+kid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...I find http://www.stacymunn.com/resume/index.htm.

    Either she made this for Microsoft, or there are more Stacy Munns at that company than I would usually expect.

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    1. Re:drilling further by whiteknight31 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However using your GMail account while registering domain names for corporate campaigns isn't the most professional way of doing things...

    2. Re:drilling further by miro+f · · Score: 3, Funny

      interesting that the anti-linux campaign was signed for using a mail account hosted on linux servers =)

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  15. Domain WHOIS by TheUni · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do a WHOIS on the domain... not sure how comfortable I am pasting it here.

    Let's just say... it just oozes professionalism. And seems to have nothing to do with Microsoft

    1. Re:Domain WHOIS by 8-bitDesigner · · Score: 2, Informative

      What? I'm a professional web designer, and we get hired out to do these things all the time. Not all of Microsoft's PR is going to be internal, these things do get outsourced, you know.

  16. It's not that difficult to figure out... by FlyByPC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Linux users are, among other things:

    * People who like knowing what their computer is up to (kind of like motorheads for the information age);
    * People who don't like M$ deciding how their computers will work;
    * People who don't want to spend money when a more reliable solution exists for Free;
    * People who believe that competition is a Good Thing (tm);
    * People who resent being called pirates (at least without being able to make others walk the plank!)

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    1. Re:It's not that difficult to figure out... by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      * People who will trade their Free Software principles for proprietary ATI and NVidia drivers
      * People who will trade in their anti-monopolist principles for proprietary Flash plugins

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    2. Re:It's not that difficult to figure out... by Technician · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People who resent being called pirates

      They are broad with the term. If I retire my Dell PC and scrap it and put the XP OS on a white box replacement, I have Pirated XP.

      If I buy a Copy of MS Office for my personal use and put in on my laptop and desktop, I am a Pirate.

      A personal use site license is lacking in their EULA. I don't have either of those problems with any of my Linux installations.

      I can pick up a CD, Play it in my CD player, Rip it and play it on my PC, and put it on my MP3 player for personal use. MS made sure their products won't do that. Office won't run live on the CD. It fails WGA if installed on your PC and laptop. It's broken. Linux is not broken out of the box. The applications work if installed on your desktop and a laptop.

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    3. Re:It's not that difficult to figure out... by Skreems · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A few small components in an otherwise open and free system isn't the end of the world. If they went the other way and refused to use those things, you'd be calling them fanatics.

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    4. Re:It's not that difficult to figure out... by Technician · · Score: 2, Informative

      You bought a product for use with 1 liscense at a time.

      Absolutely correct. A monopoly can set those license terms. There is no negotiation, no user specifications to be met by the vendor.

      Now there is an alternative. I can have a site license for my software. It's just not from Microsoft.

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    5. Re:It's not that difficult to figure out... by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I think you missed a real biggie:


      * People who believe that collaboration is a Good Thing (tm)

      Even though the great majority of Linux users are by now non-developers (a fact that has Monkeyboy & Co worried about Linux having reached the "good enough for most people" level), the idea of open and public cooperation (+ open standards), or rather awareness of their value, remains strong in the Linux user community. Somehow I doubt that MS would be keen to shine light on this aspect of Linux usership.

      "Collaboration Without Borders" makes for a great PR story as well; it's something that juxtaposes with the various unnecessary global rifts caused by corporatism (incl. multinational giants dominating over indigenous industries, esp. in the developing world) and the regrettably aggressive unilateral acts by some bigger countries.

      Interestingly, someone just put up a Windows Personas site. I wonder if the two "personas" sites should exchange link banners... :-)

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  17. Microsoft v Linux trademark by homer_s · · Score: 2, Informative

    The word 'Microsoft' has the ® symbol following it while 'Linux' does not. Isn't the word 'Linux' copyrighted too?

    1. Re:Microsoft v Linux trademark by rehabdoll · · Score: 4, Informative

      Words are not copyrighted. Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds though.

    2. Re:Microsoft v Linux trademark by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
      The word 'Microsoft' has the ® symbol following it while 'Linux' does not. Isn't the word 'Linux' copyrighted too?

      How many mistakes in that sentence?

      1) © is the Copyright symbol (clue: it begins with "C"), ® means "Registered" trademark.
      2)Trademark is not copyright.
      3)You can't "copyright" a single word.

      But yes, "Linux" is a trademark, owned by Linus Torvalds. While you can use a trademark in an editorial way, as in "Linuxsucks", when you're a competitor using it in a commercial campaign I think you might be in trouble, unless you are a billion dollar corporation and can piss on the law at will.

  18. Missing persona by jmorris42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is a Microsoft sales troll supposed to do about the missing entries:

    FSF True believer: If it ain't Free it isn't an option.

    Disgusted Ex Microsoft customer: Experienced Microsoft products since they were in ROM chips and hasn't found one yet that wasn't a roach motel. Doesn't plan on wasting money on more of the crap until they manage to get several in a row right... i.e. never.

    Political MS hater: Hates evil corporations in general, believes Microsoft more evil than Exxon-Mobil, AT&T, IBM or the MPAA. Believes Microsoft is an unrepentant monopolist hellbent on enslaving the world.

    Then there is me, a little bit of all three. :) Come on, come try and sell me some Windows Server 2003 licenses.

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  19. I think I can help by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's my demographic.

    I'm a computer user who likes my machines to be as crash-free as possible. Failing that, I'd like access to the source code so I can fix whatever problems I perceive, rather than waiting for someone else to do it.

    Ok - that's my "Linux Persona". Now let's see you cater to me.

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    rediculous.
    1. Re:I think I can help by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Thing is, if you use open source software, you benefit from the fact that other people exist who do want to fix problems they run into. I ran into this bug with Visual Studio 2005 SP1 the other day:

      http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback /ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=101866

      Just about everyone I know who installed SP1 has run into this problem. We're all professional developers. Check out Microsoft's "resolution":

      Thank you for reporting this issue to Microsoft. It has now been fixed and the fix will be available in a future release. That's right. It's fixed, but you can't have the bug fix. It's only a critical part of the language they've screwed up. It only means you have to hunt through a few million lines of code to add workarounds for it. We'll give you the fix in "a future release".

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    2. Re:I think I can help by pushing-robot · · Score: 2, Funny

      It looks as if you're trying to bash Microsoft. Would you like some help?

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  20. Re:Linux in the domain? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hell, they can have their own Linux distro if they really wanted to do that too.

    "Your product must be validated before you can proceed. Click here to learn more about the advantages of owning Genuine Linux."

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  21. Personas? by FutureDomain · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It seems to be aiming at enterprise. They focus more on business executives and application developers, except for the "Linux Aficionado", whom most Slashdot Linux users would fit in.

    The problem for Microsoft is that many Microsoft users loath it's software, Linux users also loath Microsoft software, so it'll be hard for Microsoft partners to try and "convince" them to switch. I think Microsoft's greatest fear is that businesses which have traditionally went with them will try Linux for their servers because of all the security bugs and malware. Linux is too complex for the "average luser", so Microsoft isn't as worried about them, but business and server users are more knowledgeable about computers and would switch easier, so this is their new strategy to keep them with MS.

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  22. Very simple, and not limited to Linux by straponego · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I came up with a solution for them when Ballmer made his latest dismissive comment about Google, something along the lines of "They do search okay, and everything else they do is just kind of cute." It's true, Google is forever coming out with cute stuff, stuff that makes people say: "Oh shit, I'm gonna use that every day... thanks!" While MS comes out with stuff that makes people say "Oh thanks... I'm gonna use that every day? Shit!"

    Seriously, when was the last time MS came out with something that really got you excited, something elegant and useful?

    1. Re:Very simple, and not limited to Linux by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

      Seriously, when was the last time MS came out with something that really got you excited, something elegant and useful?
      DOS 5.0
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    2. Re:Very simple, and not limited to Linux by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      DOS 3.0
      I heartily disagree. DOS 5.0 came with built-in XMS support. I became an absolute master of CONFIG.SYS, and managed to load everything from mouse to LANtastic drivers into high memory. It was the best and most stable operating system MS ever developed.
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    3. Re:Very simple, and not limited to Linux by weicco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let's see...

      As a developer, who makes software for living and for fun: C#, .NET, ASP.NET (IIS6, Apache+mod_mono), Visual Studio 2005 (2003 is fine, 2005 is great), SQL Server 2005 (2000 is good also) and things which comes with those.

      As normal user: MSN Live Messenger, Windows Media Player 11 (great UI)

      Non-Microsoft products, which I really like: mIRC, Guitar Pro 5, some games

      And oh yeah, I use these every day on Windows XP and they all work great for me.

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    4. Re:Very simple, and not limited to Linux by Andrewkov · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Seriously, when was the last time MS came out with something that really got you excited, something elegant and useful?

      Their mice and keyboards aren't bad.

    5. Re:Very simple, and not limited to Linux by jhantin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      DOS 5.0

      Quoted for truth! Well, actually I think Windows 2000 was a similar "sweet spot".

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  23. Re:Maybe we just don't like you... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For me it's more basic than that. I recently got a job and was plunged back into the world of Windows servers, and am now dealing with licensing issues whose only solution will be dropping money into Microsoft's pocket. I'm gonna be blunt, a lot of IT types like Linux because we don't have to worry about it. Add another user, workstation, server, whatever, and I don't have to plop down cash, or worse, have to go to my manager hat in hand and beg for more gruel to shove down Microsoft's mouth.

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  24. Re:Linux in the domain? by pembo13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Exactly, I mean...doesn't MS at least try to sue anyone with a domain name that resembles or includes theirs? I know they are free to have their own Linux distro. But to use the name for their own promotional material, I find that a bit strange.

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  25. April Fools? by Psx29 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is this a joke or is microsoft really that desperate???

  26. Re:winning against linux? by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Damn, this entire campaign sounds like one fucking sad attempt at trolling.

    Really? Because for years, I've been seeing posts and articles on slashdot that talk in terms of winning people over from MS to Linux. Unless that continually played tune is also trolling, then I don't think that MS trying to understand the different stripes of people that are (or might consider) using Linux is anything other than basic market research. Not all of the Ubuntu crowd may consider themselves to be "winning" someone away from Mandriva, but I'm sure that language gets used sometimes. Just like people in the Firefox camp often talk about winning a larger share of browser users away from MS.

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  27. Obligatory ? by jlindy · · Score: 2, Funny

    I for one welcome our anti-competitive monopoly over... Wait a minute, I guess I don't!... Never-mind.

  28. Missing segment by elronxenu · · Score: 5, Informative
    I think their percentages are wrong.

    They forgot to list the segment of the population who hate Microsoft passionately - due to their business practices, their monopoly, their DRM, their lack of ethics, their EULA which forces you to give up your freedom of speech, their proprietary file formats, their Microsoft Word specifically, and perhaps more reasons.

    And then there are the people who believe that Linux has superior design, that the user is more in control of what the computer does, that linux is more virus-resistant, easier to work with and so on.

    I think Microsoft should divide all the "win over" percentages on their website by 10.

  29. feedback by millhouse513 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To whome it may concern: Thank you for your presentation and dedication to helping me 'fight' Linux! I can honestly say that you have convinced me, now more than ever, to continue to push Linux whenever and wherever available, both in my personal and professional life. Any company I work for, any organization I am involved with, and anyone I assist with computers. I will tell them of my experiences with Windows, the many problems it's had as well as my experience with Linux and its ability to out perform Windows with ease. I am not sure what else to say other than to tell you that I find this dedication to 'fighting' Linux to be simply horrific. It's downright insane to continue to try and smear Linux like you do. The sad thing is, I'd probably be much more of a Windows fan and supporter if only you worked with everyone else rather than try to get rid of them in any way possible to the point that it becomes your obsession. Again, thank you for your help to convince me to KEEP USING LINUX!

  30. Re:different types of linux users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does she have a boyfriend?

  31. In plain language... by cursorx · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Linux Experimenter" = Bi-curious. A bit dangerous, but let's not worry too much and just scare them straight.

    "Market Follower" = MS bitches. We own these fuckers!

    "Application Driven" = Dangerously misguided. Brainwashing might be needed, just to set them in order.

    "Linux Aficionado" = Stupid, hopeless nerds. Recommended solution: hire hitman.

    "Unix transitioner" = Head case. Keep distance.

  32. Re:My Persona by NixieBunny · · Score: 3, Funny

    He didn't mention that he gets to coast *down* the 900 foot hill each way also. Slacker!

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  33. Penguins by Tama00 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I like penguins, how can they cater to me?

  34. But that's not how business works. by wasted · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If MS made an OS that was fast, efficient, stable, and supported the hardware most folks desired, there would be no reason for customers to buy the next OS when it came out. So, to support their business model, each OS has to be slightly behind for its time, either by speed, stability, or hardware support, so consumers have a reason to buy the next OS (or PC with the new OS) when it comes out.

    Or I could have this all wrong, and be corrected below.

    1. Re:But that's not how business works. by Stewie241 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is the way current business model works... But does it have to? I mean, hardware is always changing and improving, and paradigms are shifting. Dos 3.3 was pretty stable... but Dos 4.0 had to be released (IIRC it offered support for larger disks) and then 5.0 and 6.0. In the OS market, innovation should drive it. OSes have continued to be a market for the last twenty years, even though the OS from 20 years ago would run just fine on the machines we use today. Innovation and new features should drive the OS market (not useless annoying features, but actual things that make it easier to do work).

    2. Re:But that's not how business works. by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, whats the rationale for Redhat Linux, Suse, Novel et al then to provide said 'OS that was fast, efficient, stable, and supported the hardware most folks desired'? Seriously, Linux definitely matches the first three criteria, and according to many on slashdot it has better hardware support out of the box than Windows, so why are people buying successive versions of Redhat, Suse, Novel etc?

    3. Re:But that's not how business works. by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the OS market, innovation should drive it
      Well, that's how it already is for Linux and the BSDs. Everything chugs along merrily until either (1) a new product is launched that totally changes things, or (2) a serious vulnerability is discovered. Then there's a flurry of activity as developers rush to support the new hardware / fix the flaw, and it settles down again to Business As Usual.

      Windows, on the other hand, has a pre-ordained release chedule to conform to. Sometimes Microsoft even have to invent their own new thing themselves, just to make it apparently worthwhile releasing a new Windows version! And they always have to keep something back for the next version, just in case nothing major changes during the lifetime of the current one.

      As for what it would take to convince me personally to switch to Windows ..... the answer is, nothing short of a frontal lobotomy!
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    4. Re:But that's not how business works. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's all about support. People aren't buying Linux software per se, they're buying enterprise support agreements. (Obviously, these are companies buying these, not people at home.) When they need help configuring their new RHEL system, they call up Red Hat and get help. If there's a bug, they call RH. When vulnerabilities are found in the software, RH provides updates to fix them. And the whole thing is packaged in a way that's convenient for corporate IT departments to deploy and maintain.

      What's more, a typical RHEL or SLES distribution has a lot more software than just the "OS": it also contains a web server, databases, office software, etc. MS has these too, but it sells them as separate components, and then charges you extra for support.

  35. windowspersonas.com by qaramazov · · Score: 2, Funny

    As soon as the domain propagates, come to http://windowspersonas.com/ wiki to help compose a worthy response! :)

  36. I'd like to see them classify my Linux persona by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here are my stats:

      * I am a former Microserf (I was a fool to leave thinking dot bombs would pay off bigger but that is water under the bridge)
      * I've played with Linux since it was first posted to Usenet, before I worked for M$. I loved having a Unix on my home PC but for day to day stuff preferred Windows
      * When I worked at M$ Linux was my primary OS at home. Even so I was a Microsoft fan, because even with BSOD issues, Windows worked out of the box
      * Part of the attraction to Microsoft was their viral marketing. They intentionally made earlier versions of Windows easy to copy and share to increase popularity. This was intentional.
      * I began to hate Microsoft when they turned on average customers and took away ownership rights. Right of first sale DOES apply to over-the-shelf software but they have successfully rewritten the rules, for all intents and purposes
      * I hate how restricted Windows has become. It used to be trivial to run an alternative desktop, all the way through WinMe it was a System.ini setting, and in NT4 and Win2K it was a registry entry. Now, to do something as trivial as change the theme, one must buy a Microsoft-approved "signed" theme, or must violate the EULA (and break the DMCA in M$'s eyes, although interoperability clause allows for it) by reverse engineering or patching the theme loader to allow unsigned themes.

      My dream OS would be the Windows kernel to allow for 100% hardware support, but BSD userland tools and the KDE desktop, enhanced by Beryl.

    So pray tell, Microsoft, how do you win users like me back as customers? Are you going to open up your OS, drop the DRM and actually make it as usable and extensible as Linux? Or, are you going to continue to tighten your fist, losing more and more previously-loyal customers in the process?

    In summary: Fuck you Microsoft.

  37. Summary of the discussion so far... by Pseudonym · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those who don't want to read all the comments, here's the summary:

    *obscene gesture* Classify THIS!
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  38. Re:Linux in the domain? by gbobeck · · Score: 2, Informative
    Well, Linux is a registered trademark of LT (see http://www.linuxmark.org/ )

    However, according to the FAQ at linuxmark.org,

    I am the registered owner of an internet domain which includes the term "Linux." Do I need a sublicense?

    The Linux Sublicense Agreement applies only to trademarks, but we recognize that internet domains are sometimes used as trademarks. If you are using your domain name as a trademark, then you will need a sublicense from LMI. For help determining whether your domain is a trademark, see the questions and answers at the top of this FAQ page.
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  39. Re:Windows user personas anybody? by ultracool · · Score: 3, Insightful
    1. The Gamer - Windows is a requirement to play most games, so it's the default OS of choice.

    2. Your Parents - they don't really know much about computers and will use whatever the computer they bought came with.

    3. Market Follower - M$ bitches.

    4. The Windows Enthusiast - these people are extremely rare. They actively believe that M$ products are superior to anything else out there and believe that if something is free, there must be something wrong with it.

    5. Scientists, Engineers, Professionals - use Windows due to vital software existing only on that platform.

  40. That's why Microsoft will win. by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's standard sales training. That's what everybody learns in basic marketing management.

    A big problem with the open-source world is that it doesn't develop marketing use cases. How little need a user know to successfully run Linux on the desktop? That's not something one hears in KDE vs. Gnome discussions. Yet it's the question that matters.

    1. Re:That's why Microsoft will win. by Ankur+Dave · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, the OSS world does have use cases. For example, see Ubuntu's use cases:

  41. Summary by Ankur+Dave · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those too lazy to watch the presentation, here are the personas:

    Linux Experimenter Characteristics: "Tester" of Linux, willing to try Microsoft, Windows is the default choice for servers.
    Sales pitch: don't experiment, use Windows, it's tried and true. Market Follower Characteristics: Prefer Microsoft, risk-averse, don't really like Linux.
    Sales pitch: Windows is the best in the enterprise. Look beyond initial cost to maintenance and reliability. Application Driven Characteristics: Like Linux because it works and it's reliable.
    Sales pitch: more productivity and lower TCO with Windows. Linux Aficionado Characteristics: Believe Linux is just better.
    Sales pitch: lower TCO, more reliable, remember to avoid Microsoft vs Open Source. UNIX Transitioner Characteristics: Wants to take UNIX apps to Linux, not familiar with Windows.
    Sales pitch: IIS is more secure, better TCO.
  42. Good luck guys by level4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know a few entrepreneurial internet startup types. These are the guys who are creating the new economy, right now. Building innovative new services, mostly using the web. This area is the future, everyone knows it, and I fully expect some of my friends to be multi-multi-millionaires in the years to come.

    Now if I were to suggest to these people - any of them, in fact - that they deploy on Windows, they would roll around on the floor laughing for a few minutes, before permanently writing me off as a complete idiot.

    This is Microsoft's problem. They can fool the old guard for a while longer perhaps; no-one wants to do any large scale Exchange migrations anytime soon - not anyone who's ever tried before, anyway. But the new guard, all the innovation online, doesn't belong to them and moves further away every day. All the exciting new developments on the web are OSS and without even a single exception no-one I know would consider using anything else. Even those who still program on Windows wouldn't use it server-side.

    So this marketing effort might pay off a few percentage points here and there as MS squeezes Joe Company's backroom for a few more Server 2003 licenses but the really big ship has already sailed, a long time ago. Can you name even a single new online service you're excited about that uses Windows? Even one? Thought not.

    So hell, let them squeeze the old guard for all they're worth. The new platform, the web and the internet itself, has slipped through MS's fingers .. and that's why I don't worry about Microsoft anymore.

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  43. This has been happening for years - here's proof by TheModelEskimo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Linux users have been profiled by market research firms for a long time now. If you want proof, check out this transcript from Frontline's "The Persuaders":

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/pers uaders/etc/script.html/

    Do a text search for "linux" on that page, then back up a bit and read it in context. If you watch the show online, it's even better - and more creepy. They don't call 'em "persuaders" for nothing. :-)

  44. Are you sure you are not talking about this story? by PaulBu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ;-)

    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/brow se_thread/thread/bec275e6460080f8/ffccd9666ac67f5d ?q=kenny+linux+&lnk=ol&

    Me? Proud user of Linux as my primary desktop since kernel version ~0.91 and big fan of lisp since even before then, but do not assume that seeing a picture of a boot-up sequence, even from the first-class seat is necessarily a good thing! :)

  45. MS already knows who uses Linux by the_womble · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought MS already knew the personas of Linux users:

    1. Communists
    2. People who want high TCO
    3. People who are jealous of St Bill of Redmond's goodness
    4. Unwashed hippies
    5. IBM (see 4)
    6. Un-American people.
    7. Foreigners (see 6)
    8. Terrorists (see 7)
    9. Cancers
    10. People who think they own "their" computers and other anti-capitalists

    1. Re:MS already knows who uses Linux by Glowing+Fish · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think it should be pointed out that not all Linux users are unwashed hippies. Some are unwashed punks. Others are unwashed geeks. But yes, it is fair to say that all of them are unwashed.

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  46. Licensing is a big deal by bigtrike · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not so much the cost of the licenses, but the amount of time required to keep license for all the MS products up to date is just not something workable. On top of that, windows servers are pretty complicated and time consuming to administer (reboots/downtime off hours at least once a month due to lack of shared library versioning and inode support, editing registry entries, etc), so it's not like you're saving money in the long run.

  47. Re:Targeted survey by Technician · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where a lot of this falls down is the reliance of already-proven sketchy evidence (Get The Facts, TCO studies, etc...), and some overly simplistic anecdotal evidence ("Customers are already switching from Apache/Linux to IIS6/Windows" ; "Customers are finding that development with ASP.NET is quicker and easier" ; ...).

    I looked at all the personas and found every one of them fell in the range of 25-28 servers with the exception of the Unix one at 31 servers. Looks like a limited market segment survey to me. The segmemt missing is the SOHO or Home Office where computing is dependant on applications such as Quicken and an Office product and web browser. TCO is a big deciding factor. Instead of upgrading from MS office 97 and such, we built a white box computer and put Ubuntu on it. As a bonus, for our graphics arts we use the Gimp instead of Photoshop. We don't need another copy of AV software. The software savings has paid for the hardware. To share files, we picked up a NAS using Linux. It uses an encrypted Reiser filesystem and we have put all our printers on stand alone prinservers. The NAS and Printservers are all Linux. Other than some drastic price changes, there is little MS can do to get us to be an all MS office. We can't justify the cost. One copy of MS office is expensive. 4 copies (main office, kids PC, & 2 laptops is a show stopper. Linux does the job with either ABI Word or Open Office and doesn't break the budget. It also works with newer MS office files sent to us. Office 97 doesn't display them properly if at all.

    When the adoption rate reaches critical mass where I can pick up a copy of Turbo Tax for Linux and Quicken will be the day MS stock has a bad day. There isn't many markets with more price concious buyers than the SOHO market.

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  48. haha by illuminatedwax · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is hysterical. Not because it's stupid (it's not), but because of the sheer futility in trying to win over the "Linux Afcionado".

    Question: "Are you aware of Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing --"
    Answer: "You mean Treacherous Computing, don't you? I spit on your pathetic proprietary software!"

    And "Try to avoid the Microsoft versus Open Source software conversation and focus on specific workloads and IT pain points instead," by which of course they mean "give it up, you'll never convince these people; just beg to have them buy 'just one little server.' Make a frowny face when you ask."

    "Rely on Get the Facts evidence --"
    "Oh man, I read that bullshit on Slashdot. That TCO metric is a pile of crap --"
    (salesman turns and runs out the door)

    --
    Did you ever notice that *nix doesn't even cover Linux?
  49. Is Microsoft Really That Insecure? by FranklinDelanoBluth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I do not quite understand Microsoft's strategy here, for many reasons, which I'll try to enumerate logically. I am not trying to troll. I am trying to be objective, and when I do criticize Microsoft I do so purely academically, so please do not turn this into a flame war.

    1. Desktop market share: Microsoft has >90% of the desktop market, a number that I would guess might be higher in the business community (i.e. their strangle-hold on commodity computing). I really cannot imagine this slipping much more than 5% due to various factors: the high cost and lack of hardware options with Apple, the ease of use problems with Linux and Unix variants, the legacy DOS/Win9*/XP application base, employee familiarity with Windows, etc. As much as many may complain about Vista's shortcomings, there are really no suitable alternatives. Though many servers may be switching to Linux, I do not think that this will affect the desktop market, especially since there are many solutions for making Linux servers work with Windows desktops. Microsoft's bread and butter is not threatened, why the hard sell for a much smaller market?
    2. Weak server solutions: I aim for objectivity here, so please do not misinterpret me as a troll. Microsoft offers weak server products. Some of this may be attributed to its rebuffing of existing standards implementing all their server solutions with their closed, proprietary protocols (e.g. URIs vs. CIFS URIs, TCP/IP vs. NetBEUI, DNS vs WINS, Back slash vs. Forward slash, etc.). Not only does this ensure that their solutions will not work with those provided by any other vendor (which is a legitimate problem when one wants a service that Microsoft does not offer) but leads to new buggy code/half-baked standards/security holes as they reinvent the wheel.
      Further, the main buyers and users in this segment are not average users who need to use computers for nothing more than word processing, email, and web. They are power users who are well aware of the strengths and limitations provided by the different systems. They know first hand the problems of using Microsoft server solutions.
      If they really want to capture this smaller market (again, I am not sure why they would except for the pursuit of total monopoly), it seems that they need more than a new sell technique. Instead, they should develop their new programs and services to inter-operate with existing standards and systems. As they develop server solutions for power users, they'll win over the server crowd with their commitment to excellent products, not some new half-hearted add campaign, which many (such as the /. crowd) will see through.
    3. Virulently pro-OSS/anti-MSFT market: This is a different aspect of the previous point. Whereas Microsoft has objectively weak server solutions, there is a rather subjective opposition to Microsoft as a "Big, Evil Corporation" (TM). I am not commenting on whether this feeling may be right/wrong, but it is something they will to overcome (and I would argue with more than a selling campaign). Some moves of good faith (e.g. less restrictive computing, less aggressive anti-OSS talk from the CEO, etc.), to which Microsoft seems firmly opposed, could help "win the hearts and minds" of the server crowd much better than strongly stereotyped sell tactics for the Linux crowd.

    I know I do not have all the answers, but I think that Microsoft is getting everything wrong here. It seems that capturing the server market has a very small return when compared to the desktop market. Additionally, the cost of "doing it right" with inter-operability-centered design of new products while maintaining backwards compatibility would greatly reduce margin (e.g. look what happened with all the grand ideas of Vista). Nevertheless, if Microsoft is determined to win this market, they need to do so with more steps of good faith and less aggressive talk about intellectual property (happy, willing customers are

  50. Re:Let's see, there's the guy who murdered his wif by Lord+Kano · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hans has not yet been convicted.

    Sure, his wife is missing, but if there is no body then it's not clear that there has been a murder and even if there has been, there's no evidence to connect him to the deed.

    LK

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  51. Not about us by kahrytan · · Score: 2, Interesting


      The presentation is not about the users of Linux but about businesses and servers who use Linux.

    And I noticed there is few bald faced lies in the presentations too. It is expected that Microsoft would mislead and lie to people.

    But the point is clear. Microsoft considers Linux a threat and are actively trying to fight us.

    We need a an equivalent to Mozilla's Firefox Flicks program for Linux.

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  52. Google by soloport · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Many, if not most, Linux systems are embedded

    And what of those who use Linux, daily, in the form of Google, Amazon, et al? How does one (MS in this case) sway users away from these?

    Sounds like a big job.

  53. Cigarette Companies by steveoc · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, cigarette companies are profiling non-smokers to look for areas to expand their market share. They defined 5 distinctly different profiles of non-smokers who are targets for conversion. These coorespond exactly to the Microsoft categories.

    1) The Naughty Child (aka. Linux Experimenter)

    This prospect comes from a good god-fearing household where Mum, Dad, and his brothers and sisters all smoke regularly. As does uncle Jed who lives in the spare room. The naughty child would like to be more like some of the cool jock types at school, instead of the fat wheezing slob that he is, and has dared to do sports and things when mum isnt looking. He has futile dreams of owning (and riding) a bike for his birthday.

    Sales Pitch: Fat Chance kiddo ! Know thy place and respect thy parents !! Stop thinking and do as thou art told !! Inform the parents and resort to corporal punishment if required.

    ---oOo---

    2) The Lemming (aka. Market Follower)

    This prospect is always scared of offending people. Incapable of thinking for himself, the only reason he doesnt smoke at the moment is because its become trendy to be a non-smoker, and he wants to blend in with the crowd. Well hey buddy - its trendy to be gay as well !

    Sales Pitch: Blackmail works best on this one. These weirdos always have some skeletons in the closet, so dig around and find some dirt (or make some up), and threaten to expose him for the paedofile that he surely is ... if he doesnt start smoking. Remember - being Gay is trendy too !!

    ---oOo---

    3) Addictive Personality (aka. Application Driven)

    This person doesnt smoke, eats a whole lettuce every day for lunch, and goes to gym 3 times a week. What a wanker !! What this person doesnt realise is that its not the fitness thing that they are really into - its just a displacement activity to fill in their day, give them some sort of meaning to their life, and stop them from going nuts. Smoking offers a better and cheaper way out of this rut .. and something to fidget with during the day too.

    Sales Pitch: Point out the psychology of their 'health regime', and show them how cigarettes can fill the gap in the life just as well as a gym membership - only cheaper !! Deflect and embrace.

    ---oOo---

    4) The Know it all (aka. Linux Aficionado)

    This one is a pain in the butt. They are fit and healthy, and love to show off about it in front of other people. A lot of them are ex-smokers who have totally embraced this whole healthy-living crud as some sort of revenge trip against fast food and cigarettes that may have dominated their previous life. Pointless getting into an argument with this type ... they are incapable of rational debate .. just 'Being healthy is better, so there!!' is the best they can come up with.

    Sales Pitch: Avoid direct comparisons between cigarettes and other methods of lifestyle enhancement - just stick with facts, eg FACT: Cigarettes calm you down, which is good for your stress levels FACT: Smoking kills your appetite, so you eat less, loose weight, look healthier FACT: Smoking gives you bad breath and impotence, so your chances of contracting an STD are much less, etc.

    ---oOo---

    5) On the way to crack addiction. (aka. UNIX Transitioner)

    This prospect is already a regular user of speed and party pills, and is rapidly on their way to becoming a full time crack addict. Perception that plain old cigarettes just arent wicked enough for them, so they dont even give smoking a second thought.

    Sales Pitch: Restate the benefits - legal, easily available, and quite affordable in comparison. Sure, moving to crack would be a whole new lifestyle enhancement, but consider cigarettes as an excellent way to re-invent yourself as well. Point out movies where cool characters can be seen smoking. Offer them a free packet of smokes (secretly laced with cocaine and ground neurofen), and you just might have yourself a new friend !!

  54. Re:Windows user personas anybody? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 2, Insightful

    4. The Windows Enthusiast - these people are extremely rare. They actively believe that M$ products are superior to anything else out there and believe that if something is free, there must be something wrong with it.

    Extremely rare? Have you ever ventured outside slashdot? They are extremely common!

  55. No kidding you too? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Funny

    It crashed on that flash monstrosity that showsup in a POPUP.

    I can only guess this site was never meant to be read by actuall linux users but rather by just by windows sellers who offcourse run windows and LOVE flash and popups.

    Anyway it crashed opera wich is something that hasn't happened in a LONG time. Good job MS. Even on Linux/Opera you can still give me a IE experience.

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  56. They forgot other main categories of Linux users by DrYak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    o The tree-hugger : Loves Linux because it's open source. Like to have freedom to access everything he paid for. He finds the concept of "you don't own the software, you own a license that enables you to use it" ackward.
    - MS may mention the Microsoft Shared source project, and the pacts with some government and military to share the source of select OS parts. ...but I think it'll be just as effective as the TCO / Get the facts

    o University shops : Ok, the campus discount prices are a good thing, but some work need highly customisable code to hack until it fits the solution. Also, lot of clusters running in the physics, biomed and math department. Plus, CompSci needs a OS freely hackable to teach OS programming.
    - MS may mention the MS-Shared source project (not interesting for CompSci they need OS source)
    or Pact with governments (out of University budget) or Windows CE custom kits (out of University budget due to number of seats) or MS Windows Cluster edition (not hackable).

    o The I WANT TO BE IN CHARGE Linux user : he bought, he wants to be in charge. He hates DRM and his worst dream is TCP.
    - MS May mention that DRM is needed for the market place, or go for the Jobs defense (I isn't my fault, the MAFIAA made me do it). They may try to show that MS can lead a game of cat and mouse chase in terms of format compatibility.

    o The "I want a standart format" OOo user : he want a well documented format, that he'll be able to open on other OpenDoc compliant softs and could store for long term without being affraid of un-supported / out dated / license-expired software.
    - MS should mention that their OOXML format is soon ISO standart too and has many features that lacks in... (Shut up ! 6000 pages is a joke)

    o The complete free ride : he wants to pay absolute 0$ for things that can be downloaded free. Preferably in a legal manner.
    - MS should mention that the beige box hardware came at a price.
    - MS should mention the cheap Starter Edition... ok we all know this one is a joke. Then MS should secretly point out that pirate edition of its software is widely available, and Genuine Advantage can be circumvented.

    o Google : They mostly use Linux to avoid astronomical license cost and to have customizeability.
    - MS should send Balmer to fucking kill them throwing chairs

    o The I don't play games guy : The single actual good argument for Windows is gone.
    - MS... is doomed.

    Seriously, to respond to this Linux community should focus on the main points Microsoft will never be able to compete with :

    - Free/Libre Opensource software : No matter what, what you got is yours and you're free to do whatever pleases you with it. You can even share those results as long as you comply with the license. With microsoft, unless you're a government or military, or if you buy (wads of cash) $ for a customisable kit (WinCE or Win XPe) you'll never be able to hack legally the OS nor distribute the modifications.

    - Every improvement of the OS technology done as a Master Thesis can be implemented for Linux (instead for some toy proof-of-concept OS) and if it proves useful, pass tests and is accepted by A. M., it can immediately be made available for all users around the world. You can't do the same stuff for microsoft products, or then you must work in the MS campus and your improvement will be sold as the next pay-for version of Windows (if it has the chance not to be scraped together with WinFS and all those cool features that were always promised and always postponed to the next version).

    - No DRM : You are the one in charge of you computer.

    - No per-seat price : You have on copy of Linux, you can install it on every one of the thousand computer in your shop, and let your users install it at their home, on their laptop, on their kids' computers, their neighbours', etc. With Microsoft even if you're a University with discount, you still have to pay a fee depending on the number of students, and only staff has the right to take home

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  57. Visual Studio "resolution" by dpilot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >We'll give you the fix in "a future release".

    I think you've got this wrong, shouldn't it be, "We'll SELL you the fix in "a future release"."

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  58. Re:Let's see, there's the guy who murdered his wif by at_slashdot · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hans Reiser?

    First of all he was not convicted of anything yet, so it would be polite to consider him innocent until proved guilty.
    Second, he develops a file system not "Linux", ReiserFS could be very well used in other OSes including Windows.

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  59. Re:Targeted survey - TARGETED? by egor045 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I had a brief look at the screening tool. I use Linux on my desktop, I use it for mission-critical messaging applications in our production environment (and have been doing so for several years), I use it for the company's e-mail services. My IT team doesn't need any Linux/Unix training - we can keep things ticking over pretty nicely. I'm not interested in adding e-commerce functionality to our websites, because we already have it. I don't have any legacy Unix applications, so I'm not interested in migrating them. The screening tool thinks I'm a Linux experimenter?? I used to be, back in 1996. Now I'm using to keep a business in operation. I know the screening tool is probably aimed at a specific market segment, but it looks to be a very blunt instrument indeed. Surely Microsoft has better market analysis than this?

  60. The numbers don't tell a happy story for MS by hey! · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Look at the figures about whether the next server is going to be Linux or Windows.

    We'll discard the Linux advocates and Unix transitioners. Of course those groups are going to choose Linux over Windows. Just look at the remaining groups.

    In these three groups, the only group that shows a marked preference for Windows are the most risk averse. The pragmatic adopters are overwhelmingly satisfied with Linux and are planning to use Linux for their next server by nearly a 2:1 margin. The experimenters, who are Microsoft Windows shops that simply have dipped their toe in the Linux pool, still prefer Windows for their next server. But they do so by a razor thin margin: 46:42.

    While there are a lot of risk averse people out there, if the pragmatists adopt Linux as planned and continue to be satisfied with it, it leaves the door open to considerable growth for Linux and companies with Linux offerings. If this is allowed to reach the point where Linux starts looking like the wave of the future, people in the market follower category are going to consider defecting.

    In some ways Microsoft's long term position is most stable with the experimenters. These are apt to be people whose technical skills with the Windows platform are the greatest. They aren't scared off by Linux, but in the end have found that they can still do more with their current tools. I'd suspect that these shops will continue to be predominantly Windows for a long time, but they'll also make room for Linux where they think they can save a buck.

    In any case, we're dealing with an MS dominated future for a long time. But the openness of pragmatic adopters to Linux is a chink in the MS armor that could allow Linux and F/OSS acceptance to reach the critical mass where they start driving the price MS can charge downward. Once the direct financial effect of competition begins to drive pricing decisions, the MS monopoly is over, although possibly not MS dominance.

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  61. 95%, that was ten years ago. by twitter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Microsoft has 95% or so of the PC market. That is not changing anytime soon.

    A Network administrator at LSU told me the M$ share was already down to 80%. M$ only services now generate substantial outrage and resistance. It's getting easier to do without the soft all the time.

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  62. What I need from an os by AusIV · · Score: 2, Interesting
    As a Linux user, I've found that what I want from an OS is different than what MS wants to deliver. I won't say MS will never get my business again, but they'll have to seriously overhaul their software and their business practices to get it.

    I want a usable yet secure OS. I don't want to pay $50 a year for a security suite that's going to hog my system's resources and require I give express permission to every program that wants to run or connect to the internet.

    I also don't want my OS to restrict what I can do with my own computer. I want to be able to use my media and my hardware without being told what is appropriate. I don't want my computer's security to lock me out.

    I also don't want to rely on a particular company for access to my files. If MS files are only compatible with MS Office, and Microsoft decided to charge 10x as much for the next version of office, I'm either stuck with old, unsupported software, or paying out the wazoo to access my files. Everything I use comes with an open standard. If OpenOffice were to cease existing, someone else could easily replace them and my files would still be useful. If I could use open formats with MS office to ensure MS couldn't lock me to their products - this would mean I used their product because it was the best, rather than because I have to in order to access my files.

    In short, if Microsoft wants to gain my business, they'll have to do it by creating the best product and convincing me I won't be tied to them no matter what for as long as I'm doing business. Right now, they seem more interested in satisfying media distributors and hardware vendors than the people who buy their product, and they'd rather create a market that requires you to use their product, rather than creating a product that's really superior.

  63. Re:Maybe we just don't like you... by dwkunkel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've had a similar experience. I'm setting up a trial installation of MS Project Server 2007 and the process is bizarre! It requires 4 different licenses just to get up and running: 2 Windows 2003 Server licenses, 1 SQL Server 2005 license, and 1 MS Project Server 2007 license. Each user that wants to connect to Project Server needs a licensed copy of MS Project 2007 Professional @ $1000 each. The setup of all these servers is convoluted, poorly documented and each requires a significant level of tweaking to get reasonable performance.

    It's been a long time since I've had to deal with Microsoft's products and I've forgotten what a mess it is. It's so bad that it makes setting up and configuring Oracle's stuff seem simple.

  64. Re:Well, you know by Fordiman · · Score: 3, Funny
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