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Thousands of ICQ Numbers Deleted

BondGamer writes "Many ICQ users woke up and found their ICQ numbers were no longer working. There is a topic on the ICQ support with more than 1,500 replies. There are pages upon pages of other topics asking what happened. As of yet, there has been no official response from AOL about what has happened."

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  1. Obli... by BlueParrot · · Score: 5, Funny

    DMCA takedown notices because they were found in the decimal representation of some movies?

    1. Re:Obli... by badspyro · · Score: 2, Funny

      so, fairly good then?

    2. Re:Obli... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Assuming your ICQ number is up to 9 digits, it's chances of being contained in a 9 GB movie are almost 1.

    3. Re:Obli... by 75th+Trombone · · Score: 3, Informative

      The odds of those bits coming together by chance in a movie file, in that exact order, are the same as your odds of guessing another of the MPAA's hex keys completely by chance, out of thin air.

      Not correct. Let's think this through.

      The infamous hex key you refer to is a collection of sixteen hex bytes. That's 128 bits, for a grand total of 2^128 = ~3.4 x 10^38 possible values. Your odds of guessing one of their keys is one out of 3.4 x10^38.

      Now let's look at what GP said:

      they were found in the decimal representation of some movies?

      The decimal representation of those movies consists, by definition, solely of digits 0 through 9. ICQ numbers consist (last I checked) of integers between 1 and 999,999,999. So to be conservative, let's call an ICQ number any string of nine decimal digits.

      If we converted a whole movie's worth of bytes into decimal digits, how many thousand ICQ numbers do you think we'd come up with? Especially if you start with any arbitrary digit and don't divide it into nine-digit chunks? I had typed out the math, but the point is already well enough made, I think.

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    4. Re:Obli... by POWRSURG · · Score: 3, Funny

      So what you're saying is that those bits were intelligently designed?

    5. Re:Obli... by Vireo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ok, for the interested readers, here is the explanation of the AC's computation.

      The expression:

      (9 * (10^9) * 8 * (log(2) / log(10)))

      is the number of decimal digits in 9 GB. 9*(10^9)*8 is the number of bits in 9 GB, and log(2)/log(10) is the factor to convert into the number of decimal digits (look up how to perform base changes when using logarithms). This is about Nd = 21.7 billion decimal digits.

      Now, there is about the same number of sequences of 9 digits in the stream of decimal digits as the number of digits itself... in fact, there is only 8 less sequences than there are digits, so Nd-8 sequences, which is about Nd.

      When picking a random sequence of 9 digits, the probability of it being a particular 9-digits ICQ number is 1 in 10^9. Correspondingly, the probability of it *not* being the particular ICQ number is ( 10^9 - 1 ) in 10^9. Thus, repeating the experiment Nd times, the probability of not hitting the ICQ number becomes ((10^9-1)/10^9)^Nd, so about 3.86e-10. Thus, the probability of finding the ICQ number is 1 minus 3.86e-10, very very close to 1.

      I think the AC made an error in evaluating the probability of not hitting the ICQ number as (9/10)^9. This would be the probability of guessing an incorrect digit nine times in a row in an independant fashion, instead of guessing a 9-digits number wrongly a single time. But feel free to correct me if anyone thinks I'm wrong.

      Either way, this shows that it's almost impossible for a given 9-digit ICQ number *not* to show up in the decimal stream representation of a 9 GB movie.

  2. irc.icq.com by iamacat · · Score: 3, Informative

    You don't have to bother with registration or obnoxious UI. And if you use a fairly unique nickname, you can still keep in touch with friends.

    1. Re:irc.icq.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      wow... that's just like... IRC! :O

  3. They misunderstand by empaler · · Score: 5, Funny

    Their ICQ accounts have not been baleeted, they've simply been reassigned to a new number.

    If they can guess the number within 96 hours they can keep their account. Everything is the same eccept the number. A minor problem is that it does not update your friends' ICQ numbers if they're in the same lottery.

    I don't see the problem.

  4. Backups? by Soruk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Probably a server drive crash, and this is where we discover AOL have been reliably backing up their ICQ server to /dev/null all these years.

    (and it seems mine is gone too, but I haven't used it in 4 years.)

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    1. Re:Backups? by Viraptor · · Score: 5, Informative

      Seems it's not server problem (not for all at least):
      Citing board post

      "[...]This is a nasty ICQ6 bug, but it is fixed with a complete uninstall of all user data and reinstall.[...]"

      Some other users also say that it helped. Maybe it's an organized hoax, but whatever. You may want to backup your data and try.

    2. Re:Backups? by suv4x4 · · Score: 5, Funny

      this is where we discover AOL have been reliably backing up their ICQ server to /dev/null all these years.

      There's this wormhole theory that says all data you send in /dev/null will not be lost, but actually show up on a server in an alternate universe. So no all hope is lost!

      Now all we need is to get to the other universe.

      But beware: they might all be evil.

    3. Re:Backups? by Debug0x2a · · Score: 5, Funny

      Probably a server drive crash, and this is where we discover AOL have been reliably backing up their ICQ server to /dev/null all these years. Well...servers went down, lets go get those backups....

      mount -t ext3 /dev/null /mnt/null

      Um... sir... I think we have a small problem...
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    4. Re:Backups? by AbRASiON · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't tell me, they all have goatee's?

    5. Re:Backups? by rts008 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, it sounds like we need a goatse> goatse wormhole. Now all we need is a brave soul to traverse the hole and set up a transverse goatse hole gate at the deep end.

      Any takers? Oww, come on! What's the matter...No sense of adventure?....Ya wanna live forever?

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    6. Re:Backups? by MrNemesis · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's this wormhole theory that says all data you send in /dev/null will not be lost, but actually show up on a server in an alternate universe.

      Ah, so *that's* where all the stuff in /dev/random comes from!

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  5. I am not an ICQ number !! I am a human being !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny



    I am not an ICQ number !! I am a human being !!

    But call me, #6 !!!

    Who is #2 ??? Eric Cartman ?!

  6. Official response? by Rahga · · Score: 4, Funny

    Official response? Expect something along the lines of "We are trying to determine if we do indeed host this 'ICQ' service and who would be in charge, but chances are, we either fired them or that quit years ago."

  7. Re:Still Around by franksands · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's exactly what I thought. Oh, the good years of my first experiences with IM. The joy when they merged the chat with the messages. I wonder if my account still works.

  8. SQL Statement Gone Awry? by ticklish2day · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like they let a sql n00b into the production database...

    "Jimmy, could you get me a report for user #12345678?"
    "Sure boss, I'll use my awesome SQL skillz"

    clacketty clack... osql.exe... clacketty clack clack
    select * from IcqUsers

    wait wait wait

    "Hmmm, that user is very far down the list. I'll get rid of these earlier records so that record will show up faster."
    clacketty clack... delete from IcqUsers where UserID
    wait wait wait

    "JIMMY WTF ARE YOU DOING???? CANCEL THAT QUERY NOW. YOU'RE RUNNING IT AGAINST THE PRODUCTION DB"
    "Yessirsirright now sir!!!!!!!!!"

    and you can complete the story.

    1. Re:SQL Statement Gone Awry? by asninn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So what? Just rollback the transaction.

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    2. Re:SQL Statement Gone Awry? by kestasjk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      autocommit

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    3. Re:SQL Statement Gone Awry? by JAlexoi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Nobody needs transactions" - MySQL team. But I'll guess I'll be that nobody.

    4. Re:SQL Statement Gone Awry? by Mhtsos · · Score: 2, Funny

      All men are instinctively afraid to commit for a reason.

  9. Re:Still Around by thegamerformelyknown · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if my account still works. *looks at title of post*
    Not anymore :)
  10. Re:Still Around by Rufus211 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't know if anyone still uses it, but I sure as hell remember my UIN even though I haven't touched ICQ since something like 2000. It's great how I can remember the now-usless 8-digit number for so long and not remember my parents birthdays.

  11. That takes me back. by Misanthrope · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ICQ was my first instant messaging client, modern clients owe a lot in terms of features to Mirabilis' innovations. Buddy pounces, file sharing, ability to send messages to people while they were signed off. It also had a generally fun feel to it's gui and sound design. I'm still peeved that it was also my introduction to account theft, somebody with a Czech email address is happily the new owner of my six digit number.

  12. User Purge by DuEyNZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    delete from Users where clue = 0;

    1. Re:User Purge by bitflusher · · Score: 3, Funny

      i have no idea what you are talking about, but i cant get my icq fired up

  13. thousands screams and .. by freaker_TuC · · Score: 2

    thousands of people screaming in total darkness, but alas they could not be heard; HAL-9000 deleted their account to let them in...

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    1. Re:thousands screams and .. by Hal9000_sn3 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wasn't me. I swear.

  14. ICQ still exists? by ddoctor · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this just a publicity stunt to remind people that ICQ still exists? :)

    Bad publicity is still publicity. :)

  15. Re:Still Around by hclyff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    People still use ICQ? I wonder if it's really seeing any significant numbers of new users, or if it's just the old people sticking around. ICQ is still doing pretty good in Europe, I think. At least in my country. It is quite surprising when you consider that the official client is obnoxious piece of shit loaded with ads and crapware. Unofficial clients sometimes stop working, because someone decided it is good idea to do some changes in protocol and not tell anyone.

    It shows that you don't have to be good at something, as long as you have critical mass of users locked in.

  16. It's all about AIM in the end... AIM and spyware. by sycomonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was under the impression that AOL has been trying to kill ICQ for years now. How are these people so (un)blissfully unaware of the situation?

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  17. Re:Still Around by am+2k · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm from central Europe, and here everybody is using ICQ. It's gone so far that ICQ is synonymous with IM, and people exchange ICQ UINs instead of phone numbers...

  18. Want to check, but don't have ICQ installed? by Raven737 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I didn't use or even installed ICQ for at least 5 years
    but wanted to check if my really old account with a nice 7 digit account number was still active.
    Used: http://go.icq.com/ (no installation needed) to check.. and it is still working, guess i got lucky.
    Now for another 5 years of not using it (but of course wanting to keep it :)

  19. Re:Still Around by zwei2stein · · Score: 5, Informative

    Number of people i _personally_ know who use ICQ: pretty much everyone.
    Number of people i _personally_ know who use something else than ICQ: pretty much noone.

    Here in Czechia, ICQ is simply THE im to use.

    IT just makes no sense to register on something else when you know you wont be able to talk to anyone. And it makes no sense to switch if majority does no switch with you.

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    In the end stuff like aim or messenger have exaclty same type of bloat (sometimes even more anoying than icq bloat) and zero killer features.

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  20. ICQ said it best... by Spittles · · Score: 5, Funny

    *uh-oh* :-P

  21. My guesses by Dragon+Rojo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My 7 digit uin it's still active, I remember it like my phone number. Ahh those were the days. I left icq after all my contacts went to yahoo or msn.

    My guesses:

    1.- Someone broke in and messed up the db
    2.- A random clean up?
    3.- Publicity? (As stated in comments above)
    4.- Server failure

  22. Re:I met my fiancee on ICQ by toetagger · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's almost as big of an accomplishment as meeting your fiance on Slashdot!

  23. Re:Sorry, had to do it... by PMBjornerud · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Considering the the ICQ serves as a personal identification number, I think you actually got some truth in that joke.

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  24. That's insane by dtfinch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Almost everyone complaining has a 6 digit or shorter account number. They just f*cked their million oldest, most faithful users.

    Thankfully, my number is 7 digits.

    1. Re:That's insane by WatcherXP · · Score: 2, Informative

      IIRC the numbers started at 6 digits. UIN's with fewer digits were internal staff use only. 127XXX = me

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  25. Computers that forget. by n1hilist · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess someone at AOL must've read a certain article about computers needing to forget...

  26. Possible Fix?!? by jkwscurvy · · Score: 5, Informative

    It appears to just be a bug, and your numbers are safe. Backup, remove, reinstall as described here: http://boards.icq.com/boards/view_messages.php?tid =4555&topic_id=2216365. YMMV

  27. Re:Still Around by Danniler · · Score: 3, Informative

    At least among my frineds/colleagues there is no substitution for ICQ. Anyone with MS Messenger or other IM clients seems to be like a white crow. For example in Russia ICQ for sure has 90%+ IM share (if not 99.9%). I worked in central Europe - almost same situation. Everyone uses ICQ. And one more remark - official client sucks. That's true, so noone really bothers using it. There are so many nice substitutions. Like "qip".

  28. Re:It's all about AIM in the end... AIM and spywar by rucs_hack · · Score: 2

    Not possible. AOL have been haemorrhaging customers for years, which has limited their advertising revenue somewhat. No company wants to lose customers, even of free services, because it makes their portfolio look good if they want to sell.

    This is more likely just a screw up.

  29. Re:I met my fiancee on ICQ by ZX3+Junglist · · Score: 5, Funny

    and with the two of you about to be happily married, BAM! AOL deletes her!

  30. Re:Still Around by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm from central Europe, and here everybody is using ICQ. It's gone so far that ICQ is synonymous with IM, and people exchange ICQ UINs instead of phone numbers...

    Same in Eastern Europe, although Skype appears to be catching up as a replacement.

    Just few days ago I was talking to friends about the new ICQ6, and the conversation went along the lines of:

    ME: you gotta check the new ICQ, they dumped the silly flash voice/cam, the terrible horn and oh-oh sounds. It's a lot better.

    THEM: great! so are you switching back to ICQ (note: they are all on ICQ)

    ME: no, but .. I at least won't start it with disgust anymore.

    And just as I gave them this compliment (it is a compliment! i hated the damn thing), now this story runs. They're out of luck, for sure.

  31. Re:Still Around by gDoDig · · Score: 2, Insightful

    IT just makes no sense to register on something else when you know you wont be able to talk to anyone. And it makes no sense to switch if majority does no switch with you. That's why we use Trillian or stuff like that with which you can be online on JABBER, ICQ, MSN, AIM, SIP, IRC, YAHOO and localy with RANDEVOUS all at the same time, that way you are available to anyone and everyone all the time without the hassle of running multiple clients.
  32. Re:Still Around by Virtual_Raider · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apparently everyone and their dog use it in Russia. Right before they turned GAIM into Pidgin I installed GAIM 1.5 and logged on to my neglected yahoo and ICQ accounts. My 6 digit ICQ was still working up until this morning, and every single day I get at least 3 Russian girls (or so they claim) wanting to chat, and at least 2 spam messages in Cyrillic trying to get me to click in some shady URL that I wouldn't touch with Firefox barricaded behind the Proxomitron and a Firewall on an unpluged computer powered-off =P

    At least one of the alleged Russkys I actually started chatting with is cute. They sure know how to make them in the Ukraine ;)

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  33. I DIDN'T DO IT by Debug0x2a · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oddly enough it was working perfectly until I went to create an account. BTW, my name is ";Drop Table;"

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  34. Re:Still Around by Altrag · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems that certain IMs just gained popularity in certain parts of the world for whatever reason. I was in the Philippines a few months ago and yahoo is the "IM synonym" there. ICQ used to be the big thing in my circle of friends back in the late 90s (it was pretty much the ONLY thing back then). Then moved to yahoo for a while (does ICQ even have webcam support in 2007?) and its sort of settled on MSN as my non-geek friends started to pile up. Don't really know why that came to be -- whether its just because its packaged with Windows or because they had far superior webcam support for a while there, or perhaps some other factor -- as I was one of the last people I know to switch up to MSN (back in my "lets hate on M$ cause its cool" party-lining days:P).

  35. Re:Still Around by Soruk · · Score: 5, Funny

    At least one of the alleged Russkys I actually started chatting with is cute.

    Congratulations. You've been speaking to the goatse guy.

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  36. Re:I met my fiancee on ICQ by bheer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Your friends flirted with your girlfriend on ICQ too? What's her number again? :-)

  37. Re:Still Around by StarfishOne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the beginning the client was quite nice and simple. Later on it became soo bloated I decided to follow my friends and to start using the MSN Messenger which was sooo nice and simple. Now the latter is also filled with useless features. :(

    Don't these companies understand that there are many people who just want a simple, graphical chat window?

    And yes, I also use IRC in a screen session every day.. but unfortunately just 5-10 other _technical_ friends are there. My experience is that it's nearly impossible to teach quite a number of less technical people how to use IRC.

  38. Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    At least one of the alleged Russkys I actually started chatting with is cute. They sure know how to make them in the Ukraine ;) Are there many three-breasted Total-Recall-type Ukrainian girls? All that Chernobyl radiation has got to have had some effect...
  39. Centralized by Eivind · · Score: 4, Informative

    In an ideal world, this would teach people something about the disadvantages of relying on a centralized server controlled by a corporation over which you have no influence for your communication-infrastructure.

    Msn, and Aim have similar problems.

    Meanwhile, Jabber is the way of the future. Open protocol. Multiple interoperable implementations. Gateways to these "legacy"-protocols anyway, so you can still talk to your icq/msn-using friends. Multiple simultaneous logins. Server-side storage of buddy-lists (so log on from a different location/new computer and everything is there)

    Oh, and for added bonus, jabber-ids on the format of email-adresses are a lot easier to remember than ICQ-uins.

  40. oblig by Andrei+D · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fix here

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  41. Obligatory comment by ButcherCH · · Score: 5, Funny

    I felt a great disturbance in the Net...as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

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  42. Re:Still Around by Herve5 · · Score: 2, Informative

    in case it helps, the equivalent of Trillian for macintosh is Adium -and I fully agree with the previous post :-)

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  43. Guess my deal with Satan is off then by infonography · · Score: 3, Funny

    I tried his ICQ number this morning 666 and it's gone. The bothers me as we really had a good deal in play. He was going to make me Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. It was all most done. Blair announced his resignation and I was to step in as planned. He even had a way figured out to get around the fact that I am a US Citizen and everything. Seeing how the US was already taken.....

    I wonder if I can sue them for interference with a contract?

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  44. Re:Still Around by Angostura · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Netherlands is central? You're on the coast.

  45. ICQ Spam - ICQ6- being force added = crapware by gadlaw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hardly ever turn icq on any longer on account of the Russian/Czech/Ukranian spam. Very annoying and last time I turned it on some damn spammer who kept on spamming on me 'added me' - annoyed I checked and yep, my preferences were to not allow anyone to add me but for some reason spambot boy was able to. I don't even know what the purpose of doing that is but I definitely don't like it and don't turn the icq on for just that reason.

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  46. They didn't forward the message. by InvisiBill · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obviously they didn't forward that message that all their friends sent them, so their accounts got flagged as inactive and deleted.

  47. Publicity by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 2, Funny
    From one of the link, someone posted:

    I HATE AOL. I HATE AOL. I HATE AOL. Its the worst company on the planet

    You can't buy publicity like that.

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  48. Did they not read the email... by aj50 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did they not read the e-mail that was sent round last week saying that ICQ was running out of numbers and that some would be re-allocated unless they proved they were active users by sending the e-mail on to all their ICQ using friends?

    Too late to complain now, you should have read the e-mail and sent it on like me. It's not hard, sheesh.

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  49. Syntax Highlighting by nbritton · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It would be cool if the English language had colorized syntax highlighting.