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Scientists Identify How the Body Senses Cold

Vicissidude writes with a link to a story on the Nature website, discussing the discovery of a protein that may enable us to sense cold temperatures. It's been pinned down in mice, and the same protein may perform a similar function in humans. Mice rely on a single protein, called TRPM8, to sense both cold temperatures and menthol, the compound that gives mints their cool sensation. The sensor also controls the pain-relieving effect of cool temperatures, but does not seem to play an important role in the response to painfully cold temperatures below 10 C. TRPM8 is in the same family as the protein that detects heat and capsaicin, the compound that makes peppers hot. These proteins lie in the cell membranes of select neurons, and form channels that open and close in response to external signals."

120 comments

  1. That's so COOL! by Tatisimo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Literally cool, that is!

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  2. So then by iminplaya · · Score: 1

    Where's the "off" switch? I freeze if it's below 80.

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    1. Re:So then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the "on" switch? I melt if it's above 70.

    2. Re:So then by dwarfsoft · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd be sweltering if it was above 40, and Cold if it were below 15... Freezing if it were below 0. I guess numbers don't really mean anything until we include the units.

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    3. Re:So then by servognome · · Score: 1

      I'd be sweltering if it was above 40, and Cold if it were below 15... Freezing if it were below 0. I guess numbers don't really mean anything until we include the units.
      Anything below 295 and I'm cold.
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    4. Re:So then by ralph1 · · Score: 0

      Welcome to phoenix AZ

    5. Re:So then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, considering you'd be dead at 70 or 80 degrees Celcius/Centigrade or Kelvins, anyone with half a brain would have to assume they meant Fahrenheit.

  3. Fascinating by bheer · · Score: 2, Funny

    The ability of simple chemicals to bond and form progressively more complex sensors and computation units shows just how primitive our top-down-engineered silicon computers are. Makes you wonder what our computers and I/O devices will be like when we get to the point where we really grok biochemistry.

    1. Re:Fascinating by tknd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Makes you wonder what our computers and I/O devices will be like when we get to the point where we really grok biochemistry.

      Yeah, just imagine sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!

    2. Re:Fascinating by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course, our top-down-generated silicon computers only took a few decades to develop, while it took millions of years for evolution to produce the intricate mechanisms that make up modern life. We're not really doing too bad, considering.

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    3. Re:Fascinating by RxScram · · Score: 1

      Haven't you heard? Humans were intelligently designed in a single day!

      True, the designer had his notes from the previous few days, but that's beside the point.

    4. Re:Fascinating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pardon my ignorance, but I've heard that "sharks with laser beams attached to their heads" reference a lot on slashdot. What exactly is it referring to?

    5. Re:Fascinating by camperdave · · Score: 3, Funny

      Haven't you heard? Humans were intelligently designed in a single day!

      Um... I think you mean manufactured in a single day. Who knows how many coffee breaks and napkin doodles the design process actually took?

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    6. Re:Fascinating by poopdeville · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a long story. Back in 1996, in the early days of Slashdot, people wore onions on their belt, as was the style at the time. In any event, it was at the start of Clinton's second term in office. Things were looking up. It was still a pre-9/11 world, and things were different then, as was the style at the time. Google had only recently started buying up San Francisco real estate. Michael Jordan stopped playing baseball. IBM stock was up. CowboyNeal posted a story about sharks, as was the style at the time. CmdrTaco did not approve and said so in a comment, saying he didn't know what Cowboy Neal thinking. Paraphrasing, he said: "Unless these sharks have lasers attached to their heads, this story doesn't belong here."

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    7. Re:Fascinating by kiracatgirl · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Seriously? Even I've seen Austin Powers.

    8. Re:Fascinating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice "Stranger in a strange land" reference, as I'm sure you grok...

    9. Re:Fascinating by tsa · · Score: 2, Funny

      And the topic gives us a nice insight in the mind of our [insert appropriate overlord here]. (S)He/it must have thought: "What do I hate? I know: cold! I shiver even thinking of it. And menthol! Yuch, that must be the foulest substance on the planet. Let's give the sentient being in development a sensor that can detect both cold and menthol then!"

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    10. Re:Fascinating by Thexare+Blademoon · · Score: 1

      I haven't even seen it and I know where it's from!

    11. Re:Fascinating by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 4, Funny

      Few people know that before Dr Evil developed sharks with frikking laser beams, he engineered a cost-effective prototype using gerbils. However, this had two flaws. First, people collapsed laughing on the floor. Second, the ASPCA and Greenpeace organized a protest around his island. The blockade raised the cost of gerbils to an astronomical One Million Dollars per rodent, so the pragmatic doctor searched for an eco-friendly and less-expensive substitute. One day it came to him as he was feeding enemy agents into the sea: fish, and duct tape. One roll of tape later, he had his solution, and the world was changed forever.

    12. Re:Fascinating by olman · · Score: 1

      And when you look at some of the "features" in design, it's perfectly plausible we were intelligently designed on the back of a pizza box 2am after too many beers.

    13. Re:Fascinating by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      Getting +5 Funny is a sure sign I didn't say anything funny. :-(

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  4. No problem with sensing cold by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't have any problem sensing cold temperatures. When your eyelashes and nostrils freeze shut when you blink or breathe, it is fairly obvious...

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    1. Re:No problem with sensing cold by idesofmarch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I realize you are joking, but from a survival perspective, it is very useful to be able to detect gradual changes in temperature, so you are not surprised when you freeze to death.

    2. Re:No problem with sensing cold by Kyojin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But then again, who's surprised at anything when they're dead?

    3. Re:No problem with sensing cold by rapidweather · · Score: 4, Interesting
      When you get older, there is a "fat" layer under your skin that, for the most part, disappears.
      That's why old ladies, and men, show the "veins" through the skin, and "look ugly", more or less.
      That "fat" layer is what insulates younger people from the cold, and enables them to swim in cold water, for instance. Older people can no longer do that, without the cold hurting quite a bit.
      So, older people really like those sweaters, etc. that you send them for Christmas. It's one of the joys of old age to dress warmly in cold weather, with wool socks, hats, and so forth.
      I heard that the elderly population in Alaska is very small, those who can afford it have moved to Florida.

      Adding my two cents worth, as you can tell, I did not RTFA.

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    4. Re:No problem with sensing cold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Obviously not zombies. But every vampire that I've staked through the heart had a surprised look on his or her face. And yes, I'm sure they were vampires. Who else would wear a cape in the summer?

    5. Re:No problem with sensing cold by Nosferatu+Alucard · · Score: 3, Funny

      So you're that bastard who shanked me in July... That crap hurts, even for a vampire. Can I at least get an apology?

    6. Re:No problem with sensing cold by Thrip · · Score: 4, Funny

      Who else would wear a cape in the summer? Someone deficient in TRPM8, apparently.

      errr ... was that too close to on-topic?
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    7. Re:No problem with sensing cold by pipingguy · · Score: 2, Funny

      We find your thoughts interesting and we'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

      Regards,

      Frogs

      PS We do NOT taste like chicken.

    8. Re:No problem with sensing cold by houghi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is good news for me and many people here. As long as I am fat, I am not old.

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    9. Re:No problem with sensing cold by pairo · · Score: 1

      So, what with global warming and the prevalence of obesity, we shouldn't be worrying about being cold any time soon. :-)

  5. Just a rough guess ... by Rudisaurus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scientists Identify How the Body Senses Cold
    By shivering?
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  6. Awesome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, we get to have nine thousand products on the shelves exploiting this protein for whatever ailment they can get away with.

    1. Re:Awesome. by Doddman · · Score: 1

      I can already see where that would go: "Buy COLDPRUF and no longer feel the cold anymore!" *thousands of people buy it to withstand freezing cold workplaces* *some random fuckwit takes a BUNCH of it and freezes to death in ubercold winter* *lawsuit* *coldpruf and all deviations are made illegal* that's how it would happen

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    2. Re:Awesome. by YouTookMyStapler · · Score: 1

      I already have cold-proofing... some dry wicking base layers and a handy layer of fat.

      I detect the cold by checking the temp on the Weather Channel (or other weather related outlet) :)

    3. Re:Awesome. by Doddman · · Score: 1

      that could be another cold-protection idea.... aka cheetos

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  7. Painfully cold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Below 10 C? 50 F? wow. If that's "painfully cold", I wonder how they'd describe the cold nights here at -35 F...

    On a good note, below about -20 F, it all feels about the same.

    1. Re:Painfully cold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Strangely, those temperatures you mention are both below 10 C...

    2. Re:Painfully Cold? by evanbd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I imagine that's skin / nerve temperature, not air temp. At 50F air temp, your skin is a lot warmer than that.

    3. Re:Painfully cold? by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Hmm, even minus 20F is fairly tropical, almost T-shirt weather where I live.

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    4. Re:Painfully cold? by cyfer2000 · · Score: 1

      Do you mean your body temperature is below -20F? I guess you do feel the same.

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    5. Re:Painfully Cold? by sholden · · Score: 1

      Wow you're so tough.

      Of course you could try thinking about what they mean by temperature and by pain. They are using both terms differently than you are.

    6. Re:Painfully Cold? by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm not sure if skin/nerve temperature is the answer either.

      Frostbite, or even actual freezing of the extremities, can occur with only a "pins and needles" feeling beforehand, although in some cases there is throbbing and aching. (link)

      Since the skin and nerves would have to drop through the 10C (50 f) temperature range before freezing, I don't really see what they are basing their "painful" temperature on. I would guess it is a sustained temperature in that range, but the article doesn't give enough information to really tell.

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    7. Re:Painfully cold? by Swizec · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty certain that no matter where you are, when something colder than 10C is pressed against your skin, or when your skin is cooled down to lower than 10C ... you're going to be in worlds of pain. Especially if you go far below 10C.

    8. Re:Painfully Cold? by slew · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Perhaps this article can shed some more light on this subject (for anyone interested)...

      This cold and menthol receptor, termed CMR1 or TRPM8, was activated at a temperature threshold of ~28C, with currents increasing in magnitude down to 8C

      For what it's worth, many folks are bragging that they think you can spend some time at 8C (~45F) in the air, but if you were "bathed" in that temperature (e.g., tossed into cold water at that temperature), the expected survival time would only be a couple of hours or less.

    9. Re:Painfully cold? by Cadallin · · Score: 1

      The issue is how far below 10C. Between 5C-10C just isn't that cold. Even 0C-5C isn't that bad. People who's body temperature has dropped down to 10C are routinely brought back relatively unharmed. Even if they have no vital signs at all. On the other hand, someone who's body temperature is increased by an equivalent amount, say to around 60C, they aren't just without vital signs. They're very dead, as in proteins denatured, irreversible widescale cell damage dead. Hell, if your body temperate hits 40C you're in bad shape and at significant risk of dying.

    10. Re:Painfully cold? by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Hi, I'm Canadian.

      I consider anything above 10C to be painfully hot. Painfully cold, to me, would be around -30C. That's why I don't wear a jacket in the winter unless it's raining and someone's walking next to me with a big industrial fan.

      Yes, I'm a freak, but I thought pain was supposed to be a mechanism to warn the body of unsustainable situations. I can't imagine anyone freezing to death at 10C. At 0C, I can concede that a particularly weak person, suffering from exhaustion, would eventually die from the added stress of temperature regulation. I could also die at 0C, not from the cold itself, but because my skin dries up and becomes quite brittle after a while. I'd be one fat nerdy frozen-blood-covered cadaver.

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    11. Re:Painfully cold? by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Hi, I'm Canadian.
      Are you the guy in the beer commercial?

      I can't imagine anyone freezing to death at 10C.
      I don't think it means going outside fully dressed in 10C air. I think it means that your skin is 10C, as it would be if you were submerged in 10C water. Or beer.
  8. Wonderful! by doit3d · · Score: 1

    Maybe now they can figure out a way to apply this to fix my wife. She is a frigid thing in many ways...

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    1. Re:Wonderful! by ajanp · · Score: 1

      Maybe now they can figure out a way to apply this to fix my life. Fixed.
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    2. Re:Wonderful! by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      I always wondered how Jerry Hall reacted when Mick wrote the song "I'm so hot and she's so cold..."

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    3. Re:Wonderful! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not when I'm with her...

    4. Re:Wonderful! by BossBostin · · Score: 0

      No she's not!

  9. Use of this research by slashthedot · · Score: 0

    I'm trying to find a possible practical use of this research but can't think of any. Maybe in finding the vaccine for common cold?

    1. Re:Use of this research by idesofmarch · · Score: 1

      They talk about relieving the condition of experiencing cold pains when it is not really that cold. I know someone who may have had that, but I think she just had it because she was really skinny, borderline anorexic, and had no fat to insulate her.

    2. Re:Use of this research by tukkayoot · · Score: 1
      From the summary:

      The sensor also controls the pain-relieving effect of cool temperatures, but does not seem to play an important role in the response to painfully cold temperatures below 10 C.
      Pain relief, then, perhaps.

      The common cold doesn't really have much to do with the temperature or how cold people feel, except indirectly (see wikipedia).
    3. Re:Use of this research by Threni · · Score: 2, Funny

      > I'm trying to find a possible practical use of this research but can't think of any. Maybe in finding the vaccine for common cold?

      Torture...uh, I mean the War On Terror(TM).

    4. Re:Use of this research by Original+Replica · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pain relief, then, perhaps

      I wonder if it reduces swelling by tricking the body into restricting the blood flow to the "cold" area.

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    5. Re:Use of this research by Mspangler · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "I'm trying to find a possible practical use of this research but can't think of any."

      you can turn off the cold sensitivity in my teeth any time.

      And yes, I'll pay for the privilege.

      Nerves in teeth other than pressure sensors. Dumbest idea ever.

    6. Re:Use of this research by johnny+cashed · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nerves in teeth other than pressure sensors. Dumbest idea ever.

      Best argument I've heard today against intelligent design.

    7. Re:Use of this research by dbcad7 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Although the body fat content probably is a factor, I think this is more interesting in respect to researching pain management in general. Some people (regardless of fat) can not handle pain very well at all. Others can live with a great deal of pain with no medication.. For instance, many years ago I had a motorcycle accident which destroyed my knee, and had to have surgery to rebuild it.. I have been in pain ever since, but I have learned to ignore it, and don't think about it.., it is just the way it is.., and I don't take any medication for it.. I have met other people who stub a toe, and run to the emergency room for vicodin... Perhaps these proteins work harder in some people than others.. The people like this who can't handle the most minor of pains, end up as pill junkies if they are not careful. If it is possible that these people could be relieved,or at least be made to better tolerate pain without narcotics they would be a whole lot better off.

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  10. 10C Painfully cold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since when has below 10C been painfully cold? Maybe you Californians can't stand it when temperatures plunge to 50F, but that's not exactly that cold.

    1. Re:10C Painfully cold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when has below 10C been painfully cold? Maybe you Californians can't stand it when temperatures plunge to 50F, but that's not exactly that cold.
      I find temperatures below 0F painful, especially when the wind is blowing.
    2. Re:10C Painfully cold? by xelah · · Score: 1

      Presumably they mean that the proteins which detect it (and hence some part of your body) are at 10C and not the air temperature. How do you think you'd feel if your fingers were 10C? If both the surface of your body and the air temperature were 10C, I think I'd have to conclude you were dead...

  11. Dating service by ushering05401 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apparently this protein enables the body's reactions to cold including motivating feelings of numbness/pain in response to cold temps.

    This must not be a one-size-fits-all type thing. I spent my first four Winters in VT wearing only light jackets even in the middle of winter.

    Some research would be nice to discover if you can test for sensitivity levels. If so, it would also be nice to have someone incorporate that testing into a dating service. My (beloved) lady cranks the heaters all but about three months out of the year and it just might be the end of me.

    I now have to wear heavy jackets throughout the winter to keep myself from going into shock over the temp differentials.

    I guess you could incorporate this ability into research into Seasonal Affectation Disorder as well. I hear that motivates a good number of suicides every year, and treatment would inprove if you could show a quantifiable correlation between sensitivity to temperature and seasonal depression.

    Regards.

    1. Re:Dating service by lawpoop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In an anthropology class, we learned that people with European backgrounds have an adaptation to the cold that those of African descent do not.

      When 'white' people get cold, the circulatory system goes through cycles of vasodilation that temporarily increase bloodflow to the skin, warming your body and face. IIRC, they happen about every 40 minutes to an hour.

      Blacks also radiate more heat through the skin and respiratory system, which means they also get colder more quickly. A long nose with small nostrils warms the air better when it enters the nose, and also prevents heat loss as the air leaves the nose.

      This was discovered when the US army was doing cold training exercises in the 50s, I think in Alaska. This was in preparation with war with Russia. The white soldiers lasted longer in the cold than did black soldiers on the whole. Of course, there was a lot of mixing of different genomes -- a lot of blacks in the US has some European ancestry -- so it's not like it's 'black and white' so to speak. I'm not aware of any testing on other racial groups.

      I've never been able to confirm this story on the internet, so new research may have disproved it ;)

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    2. Re:Dating service by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      That's really fascinating. Asians typically have smallish noses, so I wonder how that fits in. How does the stereotypical broad, flattish nose of Africans give them an advantage for their environment? Damn interesting, I'd say.

      Also, see here. You know you want to, everyone does it. Just don't do it while the Google truck is watching you.

    3. Re:Dating service by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      How does the stereotypical broad, flattish nose of Africans give them an advantage for their environment? Damn interesting, I'd say. There were a study about nose shapes and sizes and climate.

      In a humid, warm, jungle environment, the air is pretty much perfect for your warm, humid lungs, so you don't want too much nose structure constricting your oxygen/carbon dioxide exchange. A short nose with wide nostrils helps air exchange. If you look at our great ape relatives who live in the jungle, such as the gorilla or chimp, they have almost no 'nose' at all -- just flat nostrils stuck on their face.

      Our basic anatomical structure probably evolved on the plains of Africa, which get pretty dry. That's probably where our tubular nose developed. This site says that Homo erectus was the first hominid to have a protruding nose. His fossils are found in Asia and Africa. A long, thin nose humidifies the air more before it goes into the lungs. People in dry climates and cold climates ( cold air is dry ) have longer, thinner noses. This is why you see long, thin noses in desert climates, and in cold, arctic regions. Small nostrils reduce the surface area exposed to the cold, so you don't lose as much heat to the outside air.

      Of course, there isn't a perfect correlation. And human beings really like to mate with whomever they can find, so you find a broad spectrum of features in almost any environment.
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  12. Of shivering, brains, body, and substances by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not to detract from the joke, but this isn't true on two levels. First, shivering is the response to a low core body temperature, not the "sensing" of it. Something else in the body is senses the drop in body temperature and triggers the shivering. It may be the way that the conscious brain "senses cold" but its not the way that the body does it. Second, this protein is not for detecting low body temperatures, it is for detecting "cold" surfaces and substances. TFA says this protein triggers at 27 C which is far too cold for use in the shivering mechanism (which triggers at about 35 C).

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    1. Re:Of shivering, brains, body, and substances by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know. I was just going for the obvious joke -- whether it really works or not. But thank you for the erudite explication; I honestly do appreciate you taking the time. Rudi

    2. Re:Of shivering, brains, body, and substances by Sibko · · Score: 1

      TFA says this protein triggers at 27 C which is far too cold for use in the shivering mechanism (which triggers at about 35 C). I think you may want to look up those numbers again. It was 27 degrees celcius here in Vancouver, Canada yesterday, and I was sweating like a pig.
    3. Re:Of shivering, brains, body, and substances by Mark_in_Brazil · · Score: 1

      27C is pretty warm, and 35C is hot. I think the body, which is normally at about 37.5C, would be more interested in sweating than in shivering at those temperatures.
      You mean 25F and 35F, right? Those are on opposite sides of the freezing point of water, which is 32C.

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    4. Re:Of shivering, brains, body, and substances by Mark_in_Brazil · · Score: 1

      Jeebus... the human body is normally at about 37C, not 37.5C. Naturally, I only checked this after hitting the "submit" button. If I'd been correcting the GP's spelling or grammar, I would have made some dumbass typing error. The universe has a sense of humor.
      Plus I've just noticed that Slashdot eats the "degree" symbols I have placed between numbers and "F" or "C" in these posts. Weird. Right now, there are no "degree" symbols in the preview of my post, but here in the "comment" field, they still appear as I typed them.
      Anyway, despite the half-degree error in the normal human body temperature, the point of the parent post stands.

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    5. Re:Of shivering, brains, body, and substances by MrZilla · · Score: 1

      He probably meant that if your core body temp. hits 35C, you will shiver.

      If your core body temp. hits 27C, I think you're in quite a bit of trouble...

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    6. Re:Of shivering, brains, body, and substances by Mark_in_Brazil · · Score: 1

      Yeh... I thought of this when I went out in the frickin' cold a little while ago. I had 37 on the brain from my posts here, and it occurred to me that while the air temperature was in the neighborhood of 8 or 9C, my body's temperature was probably somewhere below 37 and above 35. Then the whole shiver-at-35C thing made sense.

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  13. Better way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can tell if you balls is all shrunk up.

  14. You mean... by Think+Loudly · · Score: 1

    They've found the television remote?

  15. Cold temperatures? by noidentity · · Score: 0

    Are cold temperatures like fast speeds and far distances?

    1. Re:Cold temperatures? by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      Are cold temperatures like fast speeds and far distances? Yes. They're based on typical human lifestyle.

      "Cold temperatures" are noticably less than the body's acclimated temperature -- somewhere between 60 and 80, F.

      "Fast speeds" are where we are moving faster than we typically do -- over 20mph on foot, or 15+ over the posted limit on a typical roadway.

      "Far distances" are measured in time -- more than about 30 minutes travel time is "far".
    2. Re:Cold temperatures? by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I wasn't clear on my critique; it was about the redundancy of the phrases, not their meaning. Cold, fast, and far require no use of the words "temperature", "speed", or "distance", since those are implied.

  16. Painfully Cold? by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 5, Funny

    painfully cold temperatures below 10 C.
    As someone who went to school in Wisconsin, please allow me to provide you with some free education.

    50 F is not "painfully cold". In fact, I'm not sure I would describe 50 degrees as cold at all. Hell, 50 degrees won't even make me start to consider putting my shirt back on at Badger games.

    The coldest temperature that I've ever been outside in is -60 F. That is air temperature. Who cares about the wind chill at that temp? At that temp, you leave your car running in the parking lot while you're shopping, you don't have a square inch of your skin covered by fewer than 3 layers, and you sure as shit better put your shirt back on while cheering on your Wisconsin Badgers.
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  17. How I sense "cold" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    If my girlfriend's nipples are hard enough to etch glass, then the temperature is "cold."

    1. Re:How I sense "cold" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have a girlfriend and you're posting on slashdot, then the temperature is "cold."

  18. Man... by Volkov137 · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...you really see all the surprises God, the lord, and savior Jesus Christ left us on Earth with everyday! Right? Slashdotters? Anyone?

  19. I misread this as "How the body senses Gold" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I and my World of Warcraft character got very excited.

    1. Re:I misread this as "How the body senses Gold" by genner · · Score: 1

      Why?, everyone knows treasure sensing is a dwarvish racial ability.

  20. Response to painfully cold temperatures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suspect at temps that cold your aren't getting a cell-wall protein to open a calcium channel, but are sensing the pain of tissue necrosis.

  21. Finally, proof for the argument... by greylingrover · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ...that I've been telling my wife for years, that when she's cold (which is always), she just needs some extra "protein."

    Men around the world, rejoice!

    [ducking] ;)

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  22. Bullshit by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 0

    This is Slashdot. You don't have a girlfriend. "Girlfriends" are just a lie of the New World Order.

  23. Protein power on the rise? by Swizec · · Score: 1

    Back when I was going to school we were taught that protein was just there to build your body and make it be what it is. Now we're learning on slashdot and otherwise that protein can carry a disease and infect things (BSE) and NOW it can even sense things? WTF, what's happening here? O.o

    1. Re:Protein power on the rise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Proteins basically run your body. All enzymes are proteins, and all DNA really does is tell your body which proteins to make, how to make them, and when to make them (it has some other functions too, but that's the main one).

    2. Re:Protein power on the rise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DNA doesn't even do that much. All DNA does is carry the instructions for making protens. The decisions about when to make proteins, what proteins to make and the actual assembly of those proteins is all carried out by other proteins. RNA, related to DNA, is known to have some functions as well, but DNA pretty much doesn't do squat.

  24. +1 by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    I don't really know why the above is modded funny... as a Canadian I agree 100%.

    10 degrees C is not even cold at all. I don't even switch to my fall jacket until the temp. drops to 5C regularly. In fact I have slept outside in a tent in colder weather, with a summer rated sleeping bag.

    1. Re:+1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's nice for you, and as a Briton I feel compelled to call you a pussy and mock you for even owning a jacket, but they are talking about skin temperature, not air temperature. I'll be impressed if you can pick up an ice cube without reacting.

  25. Scientists Identify How the Body Senses Cold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ....Nipples?

    They're like pop-up thermometers in reverse. Very handy.

    1. Re: Scientists Identify How the Body Senses Cold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      perhaps they don't work without the protein, then we're screwed.. or at least less entertained....

  26. heat by comradevik · · Score: 1

    This could potentialy be useful. Imagine when they discover the gene for sensing heat. if we could genetically engineer humans to feel 35C to feel like 20. we could solve global warming =D or at least i wouldnt feel so hot right now.

    1. Re:heat by csubi · · Score: 1

      The gene is called TRPV1 or simply vanilloid receptor, discovered around 1997.

      It is activated by noxious heat - >42C - or by the molecule capsaicin commonly found in hot chili peppers and alike. And yes, if you knock-out this gene the resulting animals show decreased sensitivity to heat

      a very nice example experiment was done with fruit-fly larvae: they normally wriggle away when touched by a hot metallic rod but only stop moving when the rod is at ambient temperature. larvae deprived of the "hot" receptor did not show a difference in their reaction when touched by a 42C or RT rod.

      a few links to those really interested:

      An interesting point not to miss: we both have proteins that act as molecular thermometers but can also be tricked using small molecules - like capsaicin for the heat receptor and menthol for the cold

      Regards,

      K

    2. Re:heat by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      It's not a gene that senses cold or heat, but there may be a gene that produces the proteins that senses cold or heat. Just separating the concepts here. It may be seen as nitpicking/details, but can quickly become confusing in a biology discussion. ;-)

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    3. Re:heat by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      You might be correct, but TRPV1 is not a gene, it's a protein.

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  27. hm by Loconut1389 · · Score: 1

    makes me wonder if you can treat injuries with menthol instead of ice packs since the mice without the protein had less soothing from the cold.

    1. Re:hm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Menthol balms have been used to ease pain for hundreds of years, and works very well. It's usually sold in small glass jars, it's really strong though and might irritate your eyes from far away like your legs.

    2. Re:hm by Loconut1389 · · Score: 1

      I guess what I meant is- if ice is totally unnecessary and menthol reduces the blood flow to the area the same as ice.

  28. Shivers? by Scorchmon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hope with this discovery we can finally start to close in on the actual source behind those confounding piss shivers.

    1. Re:Shivers? by toxicity69 · · Score: 1

      I thought that was pretty obvious...water conducts heat, right? While piss is stored in your body, it absorbs a bit of your body heat. As you piss, boom, lots of heat going away from your body in the stream. You may (or may not) have noticed that when you piss on a cold day, particularly at night with a street light nearby for good illumination, that there is steam or vapours or something to that effect coming off the stream. At least, I've noticed it. Thats why I generally wait until I can get indoors to take a piss, so I can gather some more heat before going out again.

    2. Re:Shivers? by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      It's probably not related, since the function of TRPM8 has been known since at least a couple of years back and no one has even associated it with that phenomnenon since then. TRPM8 also use to be more local and direct in nature, and solely for sensory reasons, like when you feel something is cold on your tongue. Not the kind of "chill" from that, and I can understand that, because at least to me, I don't associate that shiver with cold at all. My bets are more on something like dopamine, which is listed in your article as a possible contributor.

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    3. Re:Shivers? by KittenJuicer · · Score: 1

      For an anatomy & physiology class once we measured vitamin-c concentration (and output after taking xxx mg's of it at a specified time) for an experiment. We had to pee every half hour (so drank lots of water) and measure the concentration of vitamin-c in our urine each time (to tell how much we were excreting and at what rate -- which differs depending on how much you consume regularly.) Long story short, after peeing so much on a cold day, (after 2.5+ hour lab) by the time we were done we had lost so much body heat that we were all shivering like crazy... I'm sure you could calculate how many BTU's or thermal units or whatever were stored (my thermodynamic laws are fuzzy here) per liter of pee then calculate total heat energy lost.

  29. mouse revenge by bl8n8r · · Score: 4, Funny

    "injected their mice with a painful compound, put them on a cold plate and measured the amount of time the mice spent flinching their hind legs in response to the pain. "

    You know, if mice ever undergo a genetic mutation causing them to become a dominant species over us, we are sooooooooo fucked.

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    1. Re:mouse revenge by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think we made up for it by sticking an electrode in a rat's pleasure center and giving him control over the button.

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  30. So... how does the body sense cold? by bazald · · Score: 1

    All the article states is that a certain protein has been identified as being crucial to the process. Perhaps this would be sufficient if I were in bio-med, but as it is, I'm not seeing it.

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  31. This can't be news by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    Wikipedia has had info on TRPM8 and how it affects cold sensations since mid-2005, and I actually contributed with some content on the subject in the basic taste article in late 2005.

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  32. How many mice were frozen... by mario_grgic · · Score: 1, Troll

    to reach these conclusions? Stop animal torture and speciesism.

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    1. Re:How many mice were frozen... by bogjobber · · Score: 1

      I'll stop supporting animal testing when people like you stop using medicine and knowledge gained by animal testing. My guess is that if you had a life-threatening disease (like Ingrid Newkirk's diabetes) you would not stop treatment to show your support for "animal rights". Do you not take penicillin because it was tested on mice? Would you turn down an organ transplant because that procedure was tested on dogs and pigs? I will personally strangle, freeze, or torture every goddamn mouse on the planet if it results in an improvement in human health and knowledge.

    2. Re:How many mice were frozen... by mario_grgic · · Score: 1

      Answer to your questions is yes I would, and do actually. And by the way, you're an idiot.

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  33. It's not new either! by Cougem · · Score: 2, Informative

    Last year on my second year medical course I wrote about TRPM8 being the cold receptor. It's on my course again this year as well on TRP channels in vertebrates AND mentioned in my course on nociception.

    Not only is it not new, but it's not desperately interesting. Other receptors like TRPA1 are involved in properly cold sensation, it's thought, TRPV1 in moderate-warm sensations (thats what capsaicin stimulates to make food hot) and TRPV2 is thought to be for properly hot.

    Any proper neuroscientist has known about TRPM8 for literally years, this changes very little!