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Demonoid Torrent Tracker Shut Down by CRIA
An anonymous reader writes "As of Tuesday, 25th September 2007, Demonoid is currently down, with no prior warnings from any moderators of the site. Both the main torrent page and the forum (fora) are no longer accessible. It is still possible to ping and trace the IP address of the site and it locates itself as in Canada. As of 6:45pm EST on 9-25-07, SSH and SMTP services are no longer active.
Torrentfreak.com has since reported this is due to legal actions from the CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry Association) who ordered Demonoid's ISP to shut down the site."
This action is akin to putting a finger in the dyke, but there are thousands, if not millions of other holes. You will run out of fingers (read funding) long before you ever patch up the holes in the wall that is DRM. We are in an era where the old rules of rights management can not survive. Pandoras Box is open, the cat is out of the bag, you cannot go back without causing more damage, if you can go back at all. Adapt or die.
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Ah, my bad. The page only partially loaded the first time. There's more words there, but still no real information.
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No, just the RIAA, but in Canada, eh?
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I for one welcome our new dyke fingering overlords.
ouch. that hurt just to say.
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last night techwag was reporting the same thing based off the torrent freak article, but a commenter pointed to a discussion out on http://www.thecircuitbox.com/demonoid/ which is basically an IRC chat that refutes the CRIA end of the story. The techwag article is here http://techwag.com/index.php/2007/09/25/bad-day-for-bittorrent-demonoid-shut-down/ Yesterday was basically a bad day for Bittorrent, ISOHunt shut down trackers to american users, and demonoid out of service, for what ever reason, either because they were taken down by the ISP or they are having one of their outages that happens randomly, but every time they go down people think they got shut down because they were shut down almost a year ago by BRIEN. There really is no way to tell the truth in the story without getting someone from demonoid to talk about it, and so far, people from demonoid have been very hard to reach. Makes for an interesting story overall though.
This story is useless without details, and nobody has them yet.
TorrentFreak has speculated that they may have been shut down by the CRIA. At present there is absolutely no proof, aside from one article on a dutch blog (which is TF's one and only source).
http://www.thecircuitbox.com/demonoid/
For tl;dr types: Torrentfreak made it up, the box is down for unknown reasons. Nobody knows yet. Sorry.
The latest speculation I heard on Torrentfreak 5 hours ago was that Demoniod was down due to a hardware failure and not a MAFIAA Hit squad. I haven't seen any statements from CRIA crowing about their victory which you would expect if they were really responsible.
Actually the blog has done CNN's trick (or is it Fox's trick?) in that they assert a fact that they cannot prove, and so had a question mark at the end. They haven't said the CRIA is responsible, they've ASKED if the CRIA is responsible.
At this point the only thing we know is that demonoid was hosted in Canada, is currently down and the admins of the website haven't made any official comment.
It simply makes no sense that CRIA would be responsible for this. The Canadian MPAA would make more sense as I believe they haven't blundered into the situation the Canadian professional music industry has.
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Moderators: PLEASE check the stories BEFORE you allow them to post. According to the folks on demonoid IRC, they were NOT shut down by the CRIA.
Geez slashdot is turning into DIGG where every moron can post "the truth"
As far as I know there is not any strong evidence that CRIA has done anything yet. The server is down, true, but I heard it's just a hard drive failure. Some demonoid people were complaining about the bad journalism reporting that the CRIA shut down demonoid, without anybody from demonoid saying this. Who is the source on this? Some nu.nl article? How do they know anything? Here is an IRC log where demonoid staff give the torrentfreak admin a hard time for reprinting the nu.nl story about the CRIA without having confirmed it in any way. To be fair, at this point in time, the torrentfreak article uses the word "allegedly." maybe they changed it.
The CRIA couldnt have shut them down here, I work for one of the few ISP's that could have handled their traffic, and the rules here state that if another company (read *IAA) wants to shut someone down/off the proper responce is to ask them for the MAC address, if they provide it then we shut *IAA off for illigaly obtaining information from our network, if they dont we say get it and call us back.... The big ISP's in Canada LOVE torrent sites, Trackers bring in ALOT of cash to the ISP's that shelter them.
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Action like this is highly unlikely, because within our legal system they cannot (rather, should not) take action with the assumption that you are guilty without first having a full judgement.
If there were in fact a judgement, given the speed of our legal system, it would be shut down three years from now.
Don't jump the gun, I've talked to #demonoid ops and they say nothing has been confirmed. Goto:
irc://irc.p2p-network.net/demonoid
#demonoid
More Twoson than Cupertino
Well, lets just list all our favorite trackers so the MAFIAA can shut them down too! :)
Actually, I would believe this is hardware failure before them being shutdown. Demonoid is always goin down for something.
And as far as comments and moderation go, Digg's level of discourse is about what you'd expect from an MMORPG.
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People don't go to demonoid for Britteny Spears. They go for Jazz and Classical recordings that have not been available for purchase in the US for 20 years. They go for medical textbooks. I got a full Principa Mathmatica there for cripe's sake. It's where Americans get 30 year old BBC productions. I'd been wanting to see The Sweeny for years. I'd have paid for it given the chance.
The copyright Nazis don't give a shit about 90% of what's there and 90% of the people using Demonoid don't give a shit about any of the stuff the copyright Nazis give a shit about.
"Without torrent is there a need for high speed?"
Are you dumb? P2P services like Soulseek and E-Mule are showing no signs of being even remotely effected by all this bullshit, and as long as P2P exists and the popularity of video hosting sites like YouTube and Google Video remains unchallenged, there will be a need for high speed.
This whole article is poorly researched in any case:
http://www.thecircuitbox.com/demonoid/
You rely on the fact that it's a private tracker, and most (>99%) don't expect you to seed 1:1 for every torrent.
Get in on one earlier and seed it 2:1 or more. You don't have to stop at 1:1, you know. I've done torrents where I only seeded 0.5 because, like you said, it was all seeders and no leechers. (Rare for Demonoid due to the sheer number of users. I had year-old+ torrents where I still ended up seeding 2:1). Just remember to make it up. Even as a new user the first GB is often "free". Just if you want to download more than that...
Or, another trick - go the front page and pick a popular torrent you don't care about. Use it to get your ratio above 1:1. Then stop it and delete the file. (Just be mindful about your limit, though - don't go all crazy and download 4GB torrents planning to seed to 2:1!).
Heck, that's why I liked Demonoid - even the lowest popularity torrent still gets a good bunch of leechers for unknown reasons. But if it wasn't overly large (maybe under 100MB), even at 10kB/s, I'd still have 2.5+:1 over the course of a day. All the little ones add up. Last I checked, I had maybe a 100GB differential over the course of 3 years or so (100GB more upload than downloaded).
It's the total of upload:download that matters to most private sites, not whether you downloaded 4GB and only uploaded 10MB on one torrent after a week (as long as your ratio can absorb that 4GB without dipping below 1:1).
Demonoid shit:
.. Query with (ernesto)/(~info@P2PNET-41E95253.groni1.gr.home.nl) opened on (Tuesday, September 25th 2007, 18:00:54). .. Total queries: (40)/(~0.7 per day) .. Queries today: (1) .. Common channels: (+#demonoid)
Ok folks, here it is. Demonoid is down. It has been for around 1 day 2 hours. The reason is down is unkown. It hasnt been RAIDed, shutdown, terminated, deleted, burned, mamed, or thrown under a bridge. There have been speculation as demonoid.com whereabouts. Well the rurmors are false. A no name site in Netherlands has a blog about Demonoid.com being down. As I don't speak douche, I can not translate. However TorrentFreak Decided upon there own free will to further spread this and rumors. Torrent freak has known to be a sleazy site they post false rumors and hope they turn out true. They do this in order for money and popularity. Quite sad isn't it. To prove this is quite easy:
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54] ((
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54]
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54]
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54]
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54]
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54] ((
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[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54] (ernesto) hi
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:01.01] (ernesto) it's ernesto from TF
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:01.05] (seanap) hello
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:01.27] (ernesto) brb 1 min
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:01.28] (seanap) are you part of the staff there?
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.01] (ernesto) I'm the staff
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.03] (ernesto) hehe
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.32] (seanap) that article is completely false.
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.39] (ernesto) well, I based my story on a respectable source
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.47] (ernesto) but I doubted it
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.55] (ernesto) so what's going on then?
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:03.05] (seanap) there hasn't been word yet
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:03.44] (seanap) the 2 IRC ops that are usually in contact with Deimos haven't been around
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:03.45] (ernesto) last time demonoid staff said it were hw problems you relocated to CAN
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:04.11] (ernesto) they said my story was false then too
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:04.20] (ernesto) but it turned out not to be
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:04.46] (seanap) well i'm saying we as site and IRC staff haven't heard anything.. and we'd be the first people to hear
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:05.18] (ernesto) perhaps Deimos doesn't know it?
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:05.21] (ernesto) yet
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:05.28] (seanap) so i don't think you should be reporting unconfirmed things, the IRC is going insane.. almost double the amount of users in a day
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:05.32] (ernesto) that was exactly how it happened last time
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.04] (ernesto) nu.nl is the biggest news source in NL
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.12] (ernesto) they might have inside info
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.21] (seanap) form who?! we are the inside
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.22] (ernesto) from the isp or the CRIA
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.41] (ernesto) the ISP probably firewalled the servers
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.52] (ernesto) after some seriuos legal threats
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:07.04] (ernesto) it's not unlikely
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:07.16] (seanap) no its not, but it's not.. confirmed
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:07.31] (ernesto) as long as you can't explain what's happening this is all I have
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:07.16] (seanap) no its not, but it's not.. confirmed
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:07.31] (ernesto) as long as you can't explain what's happening this i
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Moderators: PLEASE check the stories BEFORE you allow them to post. According to the folks on demonoid IRC, they were NOT shut down by the CRIA.
Geez slashdot is turning into DIGG where every moron can post "the truth"
You get a hearty second from me on this. It just seems that a lot of stuff on Slashdot these days is FUD and fearmongering. Just this week we had a big story on how evil Apple was going to deliberately brick your iPhone if you unlocked. I am not an Apple apologist or fanboy by the way and I own no Apple products, not even a iPod.
The real story apparently was that Apple tested its new firmware update on the iPhone on some unlocked iPhones and found that it bricked them. Apple decided to warn people - "Hey, if you unlocked your iPhone, you better skip this firmware update". Of course no good deed goes unpunished and the tin foil hat brigade swung into full force about how "evil Apple" had deliberately decided to brick unlocked iPhones in conjunction with some sort of unholy alliance with AT&T. Sadly, the truth seems to have been lost in this discussion.
Then we have the story that Slashdot had to update from earlier this week about how some open source program supposedly sent all kinds of private information to evil overlords who would use it in nefarious ways before the update arrived that said that the program in question only sent a few bits of information that in no way could identify its user. All you have to do any more these days is post something untrue but sure to ruffle some feathers and it shows up immediately.
My ISP (a one-man band, so the owner is also the entire tech dept.) explained it to me thus:
Download bandwidth is essentially free to the ISP.
However, upload bandwidth costs the ISP serious money, they pay so much per gig, and therefore it is a major operating expense. And that's why they limit uploads, and why your upload cap is usually so much smaller than your download cap.
So it's not the downloaders that are the problem, it's the uploaders. If you're going way over 1:1, sad to say your generosity is contributing to the problem.
Until a byte can be compressed to a bit, I don't see any good solution for P2P.
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actually that is not true, look it up in a dictionary and you'll see that dike and dyke are synonims.
and from another
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"That's neither here nor there as its legal to download and upload music thanks to the CD tax."
Misinformation like this is contributing to the problem.
As you've demonstrated, this doesn't prevent folks from trying to claim that uploading is legal. The most common argument is that since the default operation of P2P software is to automatically redistribute what's downloaded, then if downloading is a legal act, then anything that happens (including the redistribution) as a result of the downloading must, in turn, be legal. However, this would not even pass the laugh test in court.
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If you could say Hi to my cousin on the way that would be awesome. He also lives in Canada.
Mod my comments down. It'll be fun.
From what I've read, the demonoid servers got hosed and the admins have to restore everything from backups. The TorrentFreak article is just baseless speculation at this point and slashdot isn't helping by spreading these rumours.
Typically in a cable modem environment, the upstream ports on a CMTS are bundled together to a single downstream. In this sense, please remember that upstream is what going from the internet to the CMTS, to the cable modem (essentially the download path) and the downstream is your upload going in the opposite direction. In a typical Cisco 7200 CMTS each blade has 5 upstream ports and 1 downstream ports. If I remember correctly, each blade is recommended to serve approximately 1000 modems. Since cable is spaced out over various frequencies on the cable plant, a larger allotment of the frequencies not being used by cable TV are given to the upstream as that is 'typically' what is in higher demand. I know I would be pissed if I was getting 128Kb down and 3Mb up. With newer technologies (ie fiber) this problem should be alleviated.
but "sensationalism sells". That's why most of the "news" on tv is about war/shootings/etc.
If it was in Australia us New Zealanders would simply walk over the harbour bridge and say "Oh hi, I upgraded your RAM" or something equally pithy.
I'm sorry you're too much of an nutjob to recognize it.