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The Handheld Calculator Turns 40

Ian Lamont writes "The handheld calculator turns 40 years old this year, and the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of American History has officially added to its collection examples of the first two programmable calculators, the TI-58 and TI-59. The museum already has the original 1967 'Cal-Tech' prototype, which weighs three pounds. At a ceremony at the Smithsonian yesterday, Jerry Merryman, one of the members of the TI team which developed the calculator, said that the project was started without a set budget and was something that 'we did in our spare time.' Antique calculators have a devoted following; news of a contest celebrating the 35th anniversary of the HP-35 slide rule calculator brought hundreds of fans out of the woodwork to reminisce about the pros and cons of various 70s' era calculators. There are a lot of Web resources devoted to these devices, including the Old Calculators Web Museum, where you can see pictures of everything from the Bohn Contex Model 10 Mechanical Calculator ('apparently the design of the machine caught the attention of the Soviets') to TI's first scientific calculator, the SR-20 ('keyboards were prone to bounce even when new')."

158 comments

  1. I can hold an abacus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    in my hand.

    1. Re:I can hold an abacus by veganboyjosh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When my family and I were leaving Japan for good (we'd lived there on a military base) in 1990, we were at the airport, trading in all of our Yen for Dollars on the way out. The currency exchange was this little kiosk about the size of one of those old drive-thru film processing booths. Inside sat an old man and a bunch of money and counting machines.

      We gave him all our Yen, change, etc... he poured the change into one hole, the bills stacked and sorted into some other machine, and out came a paper receipt, like an atm receipt. he counted the dollars, to make sure it matched the receipt.

      Before he handed over the money, though, he took out his soroban (Japanese abacus, slightly different bead layout, but same idea) and checked the math of the computer on it. Then he handed us our money.

    2. Re:I can hold an abacus by russellh · · Score: 2, Informative

      Before he handed over the money, though, he took out his soroban (Japanese abacus, slightly different bead layout, but same idea) and checked the math of the computer on it. Then he handed us our money.
      that's interesting. Gotta wonder what specific incidents, if any, were behind that. I travelled around Asia in the late 80s (while living in Indonesia) and in many, many places vendors used an abacus to calculate retail sale totals.
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    3. Re:I can hold an abacus by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      Depends on the type of abacus, though. The Chinese suanpan is often a big unit that tends to hog a lot of desk space, while the Japanese soroban looks more practical for small desks.

  2. Light by LBt1st · · Score: 5, Funny

    40 years and I still can't find one with a backlight. I can't be the only one who codes in a dimly lit cave.

    1. Re:Light by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      40 years and I still can't find one with a backlight. I can't be the only one who codes in a dimly lit cave.

      Ha ha, I never thought about it before, but you're right. I've never seen a calculator with a back light. But in the age of the web, it is possible to find such a beast. But it is surprising that it's not more common.

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      Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
    2. Re:Light by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oops, never mind. The boneheads on that web site messed up their description... it's for a digital watch.

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      Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
    3. Re:Light by LBt1st · · Score: 1

      All my hopes and dreams crushed!

    4. Re:Light by ddrichardson · · Score: 2, Funny

      The early sinclair ones used bright red LEDs - not only could you use it in the dark you could confuse late night wanders looking for a certain type of "entertainment" if you used it near a window.

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    5. Re:Light by ucla74 · · Score: 1

      Remember, the first calculators didn't need backlights: They had LEDs--red at first, but then green came into vogue as well.

      I was a junior at UCLA when the Student Bookstore first offered the HP calculators. At the time, we all thought aluminum Pickett sliderules were the cat's meow. Besides, who could afford $150 - 300 for a 4- or 6-function calculator??

    6. Re:Light by Neanderthal+Ninny · · Score: 1

      I have an HP-41C and someone at the astronomical observatory made an LED light that plugs into the expansion slot on the top. Obviously this drained the battery faster but you can see the display at night to setup the telescope. It is a pity after all of these years the standard calculator still doesn't have a backlight. However, I now use a Palm PDA to do the same thing as my HP-41C and it has an backlight.

    7. Re:Light by niko9 · · Score: 1

      40 years and I still can't find one with a backlight. I can't be the only one who codes in a dimly lit cave.

      Ha ha, I never thought about it before, but you're right. I've never seen a calculator with a back light. But in the age of the web, it is possible to find such a beast. But it is surprising that it's not more common.


      It's not RPN you insensitive clod!

    8. Re:Light by lelitsch · · Score: 1

      Wasn't there a TI calculator with back light in the early 80s? I think I used one of the TI-3x series with a back light button at some point in high school?

    9. Re:Light by CCFreak2K · · Score: 1
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    10. Re:Light by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      I have an HP-41C

      Geez, that takes me back.

      I started out in surveying with an 11c, but when we got our first Total Stations (Wild T1000/D1000s), we switched to the 41c. It took me about 60 seconds to write a Fibonacci sequencer for it (The first code I ever wrote was a Fibonacci sequencer on punchcards for a Cyber 72, and I've continued the tradition...).

      All of the geos, surveyors and engineers were issued those HPs, and it was astonishing to see how complex some of the programs got. Very versatile and tough little machines.

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      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    11. Re:Light by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      The early sinclair ones used bright red LEDs - not only could you use it in the dark you could confuse late night wanders looking for a certain type of "entertainment" if you used it near a window.

      I remember I had an LED calculator in college (they were already out of style), and once there was a blackout while I was taking a piss at night. I remembered that I had an LED calculator and used it to find my way out of the winding halls.

    12. Re:Light by AragornSonOfArathorn · · Score: 1

      I got a TI-59 off ebay a few years ago for like $10. It works great in my dimly-lit home office. I think it was hardly used because it looks new. The magnetic card reader/writer still works perfectly. It works so well that I bought another one as a backup for about the same price, also seems new.

          I rebuilt the dead battery pack with batteries from a cordless phone battery pack and it runs forever. I really like the glowing red displays of old calculators. Much easier on the eyes than LCD in dim lighting.

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  3. Disappointing by snehoej · · Score: 1

    I was expected something gasoline driven.

  4. What about the SR-52 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    first two programmable calculators, the TI-58 and TI-59. Have they forgotten the TI SR-52? http://www.datamath.org/Sci/WEDGE/sr-52.htm
    1. Re:What about the SR-52 by hwyguy2 · · Score: 1

      That's right. The SR-52 (and its non-programmable close cousin, which could also use the PC-100A printer, the SR-56). Up until just a few years ago, I had the SR-52, loads of cards and manuals. I sold it on eBay once I confirmed the card reader was dead as a parrot. But I did miraculous things with it when it worked... back in high school and college in the mid-1970s.

    2. Re:What about the SR-52 by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think the museum is complete until they mention the TI-8X series. It dominated the school sectors and did fractions! And the fraction results didn't come out to decimals, which makes it museum-worthy.

    3. Re:What about the SR-52 by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 1
      My 83+ doesn't (by default, anyways)
      Input on 83+:

      (5/4)(3/2) 1.875
      Input on HP 50g (because I love it so)

      << 5 4 / 3 2 / * EXPAND >> 15/8
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    4. Re:What about the SR-52 by GPL+Apostate · · Score: 1

      What do you mean?!?!? The SR-56 was HIGHLY programmable, except the programming memory was non-volatile so you had to leave it powered on to retain your program, or punch it in again every time you turned it on.

      When I graduated from High School and no longer had access to the teletypes in the 'computer room' at High School, and could no longer log onto the HP-1000 minicomputer, I went through withdrawls and the solution was to save my pennies (I believe I used some of the $$ from my HS graduation presents too) to buy an SR-56. It was the first time I owned something of my OWN that I could program. That is, if you don't include the Digi-Comp that I had years earlier.

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    5. Re:What about the SR-52 by zerocool^ · · Score: 1


      Hit MATH

      Hit 1

      It will convert the current (decimal) answer into a fraction.

      Consequently, it can also go the other way.

      When you perform an operation on the TI-83 (or most of the other TI-8x) without specifying the input, it assumes the contents of the variable "Ans", which is stored. You can actually see this at work here, in interactive flash:

      http://oit.southernct.edu/acc/miscellanea/ti83demo/ti83/fraction.swf

      (I love my TI-85. All the other kids didn't get why my 85 was so much better than their 81's)

      ~Wx

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  5. I'm sorry...I just can't refrain by beadfulthings · · Score: 4, Funny

    In the early Seventies there was a calculator advertising jingle that was so stupid it has stayed with me for all these years: You can't go wrong with Rockwell, They're really such a treat. They've got BIG GREEN NUMBERS, And little rubber feet.

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    1. Re:I'm sorry...I just can't refrain by veganboyjosh · · Score: 1

      thanks for sharing that pearl of a catchy jingle. just earlier today, i was thinking about how unpleasant it is to have a head clear of jingles, slogans, advertising copy.

      you sir, have restored my faith in humanity.

      seriously, though, i'm glad i only had to read it once, so hopefully it'll only stick around for another hour or so...that is a horribly catchy tagline.

    2. Re:I'm sorry...I just can't refrain by beadfulthings · · Score: 1

      Though I don't often reply to replies, in your case I feel compelled. You may wish to read this story by Mark Twain, entitled "Punch, Brothers, Punch." It's a five-minute read, if that, and it may provide some insight into jingles in general. If it doesn't help, you can always think about me with pity. I've remembered the damned thing since childhood, and I know the tune as well.

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      "Here's what's happening. You're starting to drive like your Dad..." - Red Green
    3. Re:I'm sorry...I just can't refrain by Greg.Rodden · · Score: 1

      Wait a minute. They had ads for calculators in the 70's??

      Having been born in the early 80's, i gotta say this comes as a shock. What did said calculator do that any other calculators didn't?

      To me it's kinda like having a jingle for a fork, or a spoon... course, there are jingles and whole infomercials for knives these days... did they do that way back when? get semi-celebries to carve through a shoe with a knife??

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    4. Re:I'm sorry...I just can't refrain by beadfulthings · · Score: 1

      Well, if you were born in the early eighties, you're about the same age as my son. His father (my husband) just wandered through here on his way home from work, so I asked him if he remembered the jingle. He got a sort of dazed look and replied, "Big green numbers and little rubber feet."

      "Personal" (as opposed to scientific or engineering) calculators represented a fairly large investment for the average consumer at that point. I don't remember a single other radio or TV advert for a calculator, though there were plenty of print ads. I do recall, vaguely, that Rockwell arrived late in that "personal calculator" market. I can tell you that my own mother bought one of the Rockwell calculators. She was always an early technology adopter. In her case, the Rockwell name meant more than those newcomers at Texas Instruments. The calculator was a huge disappointment to her. It did nave big green numbers, but they burnt out fairly quickly and could not be repaired.

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      "Here's what's happening. You're starting to drive like your Dad..." - Red Green
  6. Slashdot summaries are the worst by hurfy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Was gonna say i thought my TI-55 was the first (it just wasn't useful as one) but the article ACTUALLY says: the Smithsonian expanded its collection to include two of the first programmable calculators, the TI-58 and TI-59.

    Two of the first != the first two

    I bet someone did better on math SAT than verbal....

    I still use both my TI-55 and TI-30. Had to hack the TI-55 to use a regular battery after the second nicad died. Recently bought one on ebay to try and restore mine but the battery pack wasn't rebuildable :(

    1. Re:Slashdot summaries are the worst by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      I still use both my TI-55 and TI-30.

      TI sucks! HP Rules!

      (Most people on Slashdot won't get this joke)

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    2. Re:Slashdot summaries are the worst by treeves · · Score: 1

      I had a TI-55 too, and IIRC it had only like 32 program steps maximum, is that right?
      I had mine around sixth or seventh grade, so about 1977 or 1978.

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    3. Re:Slashdot summaries are the worst by onkelonkel · · Score: 3, Funny

      Infidel. in Hell![enter]Burn[enter].

      (Still have my TI-59.)

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    4. Re:Slashdot summaries are the worst by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      Ahh, nostalgia time. My TI-55 was the first "computer" that I ever programmed - it got me interested in the field.

    5. Re:Slashdot summaries are the worst by Detritus · · Score: 1

      I'd be more impressed if you had a working TI-59. TI had some good ideas, but the quality of their calculators was often horrible. I bought a few of their early models and they all had short lifetimes. I've had much better luck with my HP calculators. Of all the ones that I've owned, only one has failed.

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    6. Re:Slashdot summaries are the worst by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      Of all the ones that I've owned, only one has failed.

      My 41C of 1980 vintage is still going strong. :)

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      Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
    7. Re:Slashdot summaries are the worst by Detritus · · Score: 1

      That's the only model that died on me. It did last 20+ years, so it wasn't that bad. My HP-16C is still going strong, and only on its second set of batteries.

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    8. Re:Slashdot summaries are the worst by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      That's the only model that died on me. It did last 20+ years, so it wasn't that bad. My HP-16C is still going strong, and only on its second set of batteries.

      My 16C is still fine, though that's in part because I rarely use it these days. It's probably been 15 years since I've done any serious assembly programming. :(

      I prefer the keys on the 41C though, so it gets the "quick calculation" work.

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    9. Re:Slashdot summaries are the worst by GPL+Apostate · · Score: 1

      I sold most of my old HP calculators recently and bought an HP50g.

      Yes, I know. Sacrilege, etc. etc.

      It's not a bad machine.

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    10. Re:Slashdot summaries are the worst by wavedeform · · Score: 1

      Yeah, my 16c too, on both counts. I've had it forever, and the one time I had to change batteries, I was wondering what that asterisk in the display was all about for months before I looked in the manual to find out it was low batteries. That must have been ten years ago. I wish all my stuff was this solid.

    11. Re:Slashdot summaries are the worst by NetNed · · Score: 1
      TI-30 huh? The 9 volt sucking beast!

      I think I would go through 10 or more 9 volts a year with mine.

      Still works though!

    12. Re:Slashdot summaries are the worst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recently bought two on ebay - and they work fine. as math teacher, it is funny to how the kids react in class if i drag out my vintage one. Silly enough, with those new models with easy input, kids know less and less about arithmetics

      if someone like to donate their stuff, like empty magnetic cards, or libraries, i would be very pleased

  7. A footnote to history by BCMcI · · Score: 1

    In 1967 I was in the advanced development group of the GE radio receiver department. We set out to build a consumer electronic calculator. What we originally built wasn't very good having 6 digits and strange math but that wasn't what killed the progject. It was the marketing department saying nobody would ever want a home calculator because they already had adding machines. I later headed the project to create the first electronic clock radio. The LSI chip we designed had 826 transistors in it. That was a much more successful project and is the ancestor of the clock radios almost everyone has now. Even for that project the GE Telecron department (since diseased) said you could never make an electronic timer as cheaply and reliably as an electric clock.

    1. Re:A footnote to history by Detritus · · Score: 1
      I can remember using those mechanical adding machines. The ones designed for business use weren't too bad, but if you wanted multiplication and division, the machines were huge, about the size of a typewriter. They must have been very expensive, due to the large number of precision parts. I saw many of them sitting on the shelves of the local office machine stores after the introduction of relatively inexpensive electronic calculators.

      I built a Heathkit digital clock in the early 1970s, when those things were still rare. It had panaplex digits and a LSI divider chip that ran off the power-line frequency. It had a bunch of parts, mostly to drive the high-voltage panaplex displays.

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  8. Just curious? by KGIII · · Score: 0

    Someone will likely know but if the calculator, specifically hand-held if you'd like, is 40 then what of the abacus? Some of those were small enough to hold in a hand. Do those count or does this, for some reason, require that they be powered? (Not to be pedantic but I'm really quite curious and didn't see that in the article anywhere.)

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  9. new calculators! by chinaguy · · Score: 0

    I was shopping in a k-mart kind of store mny years ago. They had a hand held calculator on sale for $99.95. I exclaimed to my wife "Let's get one! They will never be any cheaper!" BTW, I'm the same guy that passed up a Shelby 427 SC Cobra for $5K because it would never be worth anything.

  10. Is TI still in business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't use sci calc for the last 30 years. Saw TI calculator in Costco last year, and was amazed by its dinosaurs look. Apparently like little has been changed from the early models, and the most surprising is that these antics cost more than hundred bucks!

    1. Re:Is TI still in business? by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 2, Informative

      TI sorta dominates the high school graphing calculator business. Their current flagship (the TI-84+) hasn't changed drastically from the 81, but their next in line (the Nspire) is completely from scratch (but I'll keep my RPN thank-you-very-much)

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    2. Re:Is TI still in business? by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Can someone please fill me in on what the top-end calculators are? I've got a ten-year-old TI-92, and that still seems to be more or less TI's top of the line. The Voyage 200 (the TI-92 plus plus) has less than three megabytes of memory on a motorola 68000... a 30 year old chip. The TI-84 is using an even less powerful chip. Even the palm pilot watches cream these things for power, memory, and speed.

      These things are archaic relics. Is there nothing that puts up a serious challenge to them?

    3. Re:Is TI still in business? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Yes, there is a serious challenge to them; it's just that it isn't another calculator. It's the Palm Pilot that you mentioned as "creaming" these, and its kin. The dedicated hand calculator is a relic, on its way to join the slide rule it replaced after only 40 years. Its replacements are programs on palmtops and PDAs.

      Chris Mattern

    4. Re:Is TI still in business? by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 1

      The current high-end calcs are their Voyage 200 and TI-89-Ti(tanium). Their "next-gen" high-end calculator is the Nspire CAS, which IIRC is running an ARM.

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  11. Professor owl? by Hao+Wu · · Score: 1

    Anyone recall the name of that school-marketed calculator that had Mr. Owl dressed up like an Oxford professor?

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    1. Re:Professor owl? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did it occur to you to Google for "calculator owl" (without quotes)? The very first result has an answer.

    2. Re:Professor owl? by jim_deane · · Score: 1


      I HAD/HAVE THAT. I now must root through my parent's basement.

    3. Re:Professor owl? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NOVUS was what mine said, but friends of mine had ones that read something like "National Instruments" instead of NOVUS, IIRC. Or maybe I have it reversed-maybe theirs said NOVUS while mine said "National Instruments."

  12. Prior Art Schmier Art by newgalactic · · Score: 1

    ...and recently patented.

  13. Talking to my Parents by Gates82 · · Score: 1
    Both of my parents remember (my dad fondly, my mother not so much) the several nights which followed my dad getting this new calculator. My dad stayed up all night playing with the calculator just because of how cool it was.

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    1. Re:Talking to my Parents by scottrocket · · Score: 2, Funny

      And they played music on your AM radio - that's multitasking for you!

    2. Re:Talking to my Parents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was probably just viewing calculator porn - keying in 5318008 and holding it upside down

      hah, the capcha is "backhand" - that sounds relevant

    3. Re:Talking to my Parents by networkBoy · · Score: 3, Funny

      My dad was the first in his office to get an RPN HP calculator (aeronautical engineer). Showed it off to everyone, real proud of it, etc.

      Week later he was back to using a triple slide rule... I had taken apart his precious, at the age of three.
      A month of talking with apps engineers at HP and they sent him a bag of spare parts along with an exploded diagram (for free) and he was able to re-assemble the thing. Still works, and he still has it. I am still not allowed to touch it (nearly 30 years later).

      -nB

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    4. Re:Talking to my Parents by Zaatxe · · Score: 1

      And they played music on your AM radio - that's multitasking for you!

      But that was before they DRMed the AM radio, then it would use all the calculator's capacity!

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  14. failing the verbal SAT by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    The TI-55 was just a few month AFTER the TI-57, TI-58 and TI-59. (which were released at the same time)

    So in this case two of the first is the same as the first two. If you ignore the earlier SR series programmable calculators as not being as significantly programmable as the 55, 57, 58 and 59.

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    1. Re:failing the verbal SAT by GPL+Apostate · · Score: 1

      The SR-52 was probably the first decent Texas Instruments calculator. I definitely couldn't afford one at the time. I had to make do with an SR-56. But then a few years later I got a HP-11c and sold the SR-56 to an instructor in tech school.

      The SR-56 had one unique 'wart' that made it more useful: The Polar/Rectangular selector was a physical slide switch which was still active while the machine was running a program. So you could use it for a 'polled hardware interrupt' by using a trig function during your program and testing the result. This was by no means an immediate interrupt, but you could by thus means have your program break at specific points in a program, or change it's mode of operation without halting at all.

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  15. The Handheld Calc turns 40, eh? by dontspitconfetti · · Score: 1

    Is it still a virgin and does it still live at home with its mother?

    1. Re:The Handheld Calc turns 40, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course not ! Its paladin scored with the barmaid last session !

  16. HP11c by Tumbleweed · · Score: 0, Troll

    Reconize!

  17. The halcyon days of the first programmable ones... by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I remember a test (late 1980s) where you could use a calculator. The first (halfway affordable) programmable calculators had come out, and I had one. I'd put together a program to generate determinants of 3x3 matrices, and one of the questions was: "Calculate the determinant of this matrix." I just plugged in the numbers, wrote down the answer, and moved on. Even at the time, I was thinking, "They're either not going to allow calculators much longer, or else change the questions."

    You could squeeze cheat sheets into those things, too, though the memory was a bit limited...

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  18. Depreciation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A, nameless, US government institution, that I was passingly involved with, had an old calculator. Worked fine, added, subtracted, etc. Cost new somewhere in the $1000 range. Equipment that expensive needed an inventory tag, so someone put it on the battery case. Said battery was subsequently replaced.

    Now, you have a calculator that could be replaced for $5, needing an annual, physical inventory because of the initial purchase cost. It would take about 3-4 man hours annually to find the old battery case so that bar code could be scanned.

    Declaring the calculator surplus would be many hours of paperwork, besides the calculator was in daily use and functioning perfectly.

    Any attempts at depreciating would result in headlines such as "Government looses $XXXM in computing equipment".

    So the farce, as far as I know, continues today.

  19. toys by e**(i+pi)-1 · · Score: 1

    Programmable pocket calculators have become awfully clumsy to use. It would be nice if one could move to iphone type interfaces or include a (maybe stripped down) computer algebra system. They survive only because they have become cheep,rugged and robust and can be used in schools early on. I loved to play with these toys when I was younger. But thats what they have remained: toys.

    1. Re:toys by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      would be nice if one could move to iphone type interfaces or include a (maybe stripped down) computer algebra system.


      Couldn't you just compile one of the existing open-source computer algebra systems to an existing Linux-based phone or handheld platform?
    2. Re:toys by 644bd346996 · · Score: 1

      Touch screens aren't a reliable and efficient way to input numbers. A well-designed keyboard with good tactile feedback is still the best way to go.

      What do you find clumsy about current programmable calculators? Most of HP's scientific calculators have had keystroke-based programming, and the current generation of graphing calculators can be programmed in C. Also, the vast majority of HP's calculator market has always been professionals.

      Come to think of it, you must not have heard of their calculator business. You should check them out, as those machines are far more than toys.

    3. Re:toys by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 3, Informative

      The HP50g, TI89, and TI-Nspire CAS all have CAS systems (though the basic form factor is mostly the same as their 48g, 84+ and Nspire kin)

      PS: I reccomend the 50g myself. It's definitley a bit on the advanced end (and has RPN as an option, which is what attracted me to HPs in the first place), but shouldn't be a problem for you judging by your homepage URL

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  20. 7734 by rueger · · Score: 1

    Thinking back thirty-five odd years, I remember a friend with an impossibly cool HP, RPN of course, and a built in teeny card reader; I still recall the *click* of the keys. But what sold me on my first digital calculator in high school was realizing that you could type in numbers, turn it upside down, and spell out words. Sort of.

    1. Re:7734 by OECD · · Score: 3, Funny

      5318008

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    2. Re:7734 by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The first scientific calculator I had supported hexadecimal. It was much less fun typing in letters by typing in letters.

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  21. Two of TI's First, They Mean. by TaleSpinner · · Score: 5, Informative

    The first programmable hand-held calculator was Hewlett Packard's HP-65. The SR-52 came a year later. HP then brought out the HP-67, and TI followed a year later with the TI-59. HP then came out with the HP-41 handheld programmable with slots for adding interfaces including HP-IL allowing the calc to handle all kinds of control and data-collections chores in labs. TI followed suit with the TI-88 the following year. I mean the year after that. No, it was the next year. The year after? As a matter of fact, TI never did come out with competition for the HP-41.

    But there is no doubt that the first programmable handheld was the HP-65. If they don't have that in their collection then they ain't got the first.

    1. Re:Two of TI's First, They Mean. by rossz · · Score: 1

      I still have my hacked hp-41CV. The keys are starting to act a little strange, and I no longer bother spending hours programming it. Now days, it sits on my desk for when I need to do some quick math. I love RPN!

      I always hated the TI calculators. They were cheaply made and had all kinds of annoying problems, like the inability to read mag cards written from a different calculator even though it was the exact same model.

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    2. Re:Two of TI's First, They Mean. by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you weren't aware, HP does still make calculators. They sort of slipped up on the keyboards a while back, but their new ones are much better. I believe their big ones are the 50g (which I have), and the 35s (very little relation to the original HP-35, but has a keyboard very similar to your 41). Naturally, they're both RPN.

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    3. Re:Two of TI's First, They Mean. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Two of TI's First, They Mean. by dprovine · · Score: 1

      As I remember, the TI-88 was actually made as a prototype (I saw pictures of it), but was later cancelled for some reason I never found out what it was. Maybe they just decided the educational market was more lucrative, or would be a better place to focus their efforts? They do make lots of calculators for schools.

      Some time ago I saw TI calculators used in math classes, and they can do much more than I had expected. One of the graphing calculators has a plug which can be used for real-time data collection; the teacher demonstrating it hooked up a small sonar unit, held it in the air, and dropped a basketball. The calculator drew a graph showing the ball's distance from the sensor every 0.1 seconds. Apparently what they do in class is break into groups of 3 or 4, each group does this with a couple of different balls with different amounts of air in them, and looks to see if the same formula with different constants really applies based on their experimental data.

      They had a fancier one in which you could enter things such as "X2-1" (bold instead of superscript because superscript not allowed), and it would think a couple seconds and come back with "(X+1)(X-1)". Compared to what my old calculator from high school could do, that was impressive.

    5. Re:Two of TI's First, They Mean. by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      What's the big deal with RPN? I've tried it a little bit, but never quite got the hang of it. I've always favoured standard notation. It's nice to be able to look at the equation on your calculator and verify that it's the same as the one on your paper. Just as a reference point, my calculator of choice is the TI-86. Bought it as a required tool back in my first year of university, and haven't found any reason to change.

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    6. Re:Two of TI's First, They Mean. by TaleSpinner · · Score: 3, Informative

      RPN was the only reliable way to be sure both you and the calculator agreed on the order of the computation. For a long time you could not walk up to an algebraic notation calc and expect to be able to use it to produce known-good results. Many of them were only "semi-algebraic" where you would enter 2+2= to get 4 but 30 SIN to get sin(30) - which is RPN. It was a long time before you could do "SIN(30)". Calcs also differed in the number of pending operations they would support, and because of implied priorities these did not match up with the "levels of parens" number. Only with RPN could you know exactly how to structure a problem and feed it in, how to deal with intermediate results, and how to get a reliable result that could be replicated on the same or other RPN models. TI machines weren't even consistent within their own calc line, never mind anyone else's.

      RPN also required fewer keystrokes, and the advantage mounted with increasing problem complexity. Also, stack machines were more amenable to programming because the state of the calc could be known exactly, whereas with a TI the state was encoded in the pending ops stack, the paren stack, and then the program area. Jumping into such a mess was an adventure, to say the least.

    7. Re:Two of TI's First, They Mean. by rossz · · Score: 1

      The person you are responding to is probably too young to have had to use calculators that didn't display the fancy equation in a multi-line high resolution screen. Yes, these days you can type in a very complex equation, verify that you didn't make a mistake by reading the screen, then get your graph printed out with one button. Back in my day, you had to stoke up the furnace to generate the steam before you could add two numbers together! And I had to walk to school five miles, up hill, both ways, in a blizzard... sorry, I digressed. These days RPN isn't really necessary, but I got used to it and tend to stumble a bit when faced with an algebraic notation calculator.

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    8. Re:Two of TI's First, They Mean. by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I certainly do remember those old calculators. Actually up until the last 2 years of highschool, I don't remember using a calculator much at all. Almost every cheap $10-$40 scientific calculator I've seen requires that you type the 30 before the 'sin'. At least all the older ones I used did. I haven't used those much since I got my TI-86. I see the advantage, when you don't have multiline displays, and you need to do all your calculations with a very simple chip, however I'll agree with you that it's no longer necessary.

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  22. And in honor of its birthday by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    SS378008

    hahahahaha.....ok, it was funny in the 70's.

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    1. Re:And in honor of its birthday by KenAndCorey · · Score: 1

      Yup... I was thinking about something similar: 5318008.

      I think I had a book (in the 70's) that had a whole bunch of those. Endless hours of fun.

    2. Re:And in honor of its birthday by KenAndCorey · · Score: 1
    3. Re:And in honor of its birthday by rvqbl · · Score: 1

      I am surprised that 7734 is not on this list.

  23. Re:And in honour of its birthday by Funkcikle · · Score: 3, Funny

    55318008 is better.

  24. Casio fx-115 by certsoft · · Score: 1

    I still have the Casio fx-115 scientific calculator I bought like 20 years ago in Innsbruck. Solar Cell powered and still works great, although a bit grungy.

  25. A trip down Memory Lane by Aging_Newbie · · Score: 1

    My wife and I got married in 1974 and after looking at our wedding money spent $120+ for a TI SR-10 calculator by mail order from a discounter. I remember thinking that the price couldn't fall much more so it was definitely time to buy it. A wonderful device it was ... really cool and useful.

  26. I miss my HP11c by localroger · · Score: 1

    Faithful companion for 15 years, one day it finally died and I was unable to figure out why it wouldn't turn on. I have a TI-83 now, much more capable, but it just isn't the same. I still have the urge to punch 2 2 + ENTER to get a 4.

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    1. Re:I miss my HP11c by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Uh, did you change the batteries? :)

      Lots of them available on eBay these days, though they're not cheap. There's the upgraded version of the 11 (I think it's the 14, but I can't remember right now) that I'm thinking about getting, and keeping my 11 around as a spare.

      They have the new version out now for financial use, I think, with that nasty goldish colour; I'm hoping they come out with a new 11/14c version some day. These things obviously don't last forever. Perhaps a nice new solar powered version?

  27. Abacus anyone? by noidentity · · Score: 1

    I think the abacus is hand-held. Maybe the word "electronic" was left out of the headline?

  28. TI-59 or bust! by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

    I save my pennies the year I graduated from high school and splurged on a TI-59, which not only served me well, but factored numbers too (one of my favourite programs I wrote for it). Cards, spaghetti code, the works. I actually defined a small virtual processor, wrote an emulator for it that ran on the TI-59, and hand-assembled programs for that virtual processor (which resembled a PIC in a number of ways, now that I think of it). Geek city, huh?

    It was only much later that I confirmed that 52579 is prime, because I was never patient enough to let it finish trying factors. A prize for who can tell me what number I was factoring. :-)

    I wish I still had that thing. Haven't seen it in years.

    ...laura

    1. Re:TI-59 or bust! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      was it 111111111111111111?

    2. Re:TI-59 or bust! by samweber · · Score: 1

      Me too! ('cept that I was younger.) I wrote a version of the game of Hammurabi for it. I also had fun writing self-modifying code, taking advantage of the fact that you could convert data memory to and from program memory. Alas, the last time I tried to play with it, I found that it had died, probably because of the battery.

      Your virtual processor sounds impressive!

    3. Re:TI-59 or bust! by Panaqqa · · Score: 1

      Actually, I doubt it was 111,111,111,111,111,111 because I don't believe the mantissa of those early calculators (or even most later ones) could handle that precision. Good guess though, since:

      111,111,111,111,111,111 = 3 * 3 * 7 * 11 * 13 * 19 * 37 * 52,579 * 333,667 (all factors are prime)

      No, I suspect the number she was factoring was 1,000,000,001. Ten digits is about the largest mantissa I recall seeing back then, and of course:

      1,000,000,001 = 7 * 11 * 13 * 19 * 52,579 (all factors are prime)

      So - what's the prize??? ;)

    4. Re:TI-59 or bust! by tlayne · · Score: 1

      I still have mine and it still works. I got the TI-59 and the print cradle in 1978. Using the magnetic storage cards I stored a program that would print out the lyrics to Pink Floyd's Welcome to the Machine. Took forever to key in, but it was well worth it. It was very cool. I also have a deck of computer cards with the full lyrics to Darkside of the Money punched out. Those were the days.

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    5. Re:TI-59 or bust! by tlayne · · Score: 1

      sed -e "s/Money/Moon/" $PARENT

      Still can't type. Doh!

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    6. Re:TI-59 or bust! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      A true geek girl -- so many other teens preferred a bust.

    7. Re:TI-59 or bust! by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

      1,000,000,001 = 7 * 11 * 13 * 19 * 52,579 (all factors are prime)

      Correct.

      The prize is the admiration of a real live geek girl!

      ...laura

  29. Curta - handheld calculator from 1947 by Cliff+Stoll · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Curt Herzstark designed the Curta handheld calculator while he was a prisoner in the Buchenwald concentration camp. Upon release in 1945, he started a company to manufacture these mechanical handheld calculators.

    Herzstark recognized the importance of user interface ... he designed it to be handheld. The main cylinder fits within the hand, and the input sliders were made to be set by fingers. In a foreshadowing of computer architecture, he used complimentary arithmetic to do both subtraction and addition.

    Although crank-driven, a Curta is surprisingly fast at the basic four functions. This is because you can rotate the output register to do automatic multiplies by powers of ten.

    Made in Lichtenstein, the Curtas were superbly machined, with a feel comparable to a high quality Nikon F camera.

    His peppermill calculators were sold from 1947 until 1972; today, they're mostly collectors items. But I use one to run my Klein Bottle business.

    1. Re:Curta - handheld calculator from 1947 by ReKleSS · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interesting timing - a few hours ago I came by this, and read your article. Interesting stuff.

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    2. Re:Curta - handheld calculator from 1947 by langelgjm · · Score: 1

      Wow - I never thought to look you up on Slashdot. I really enjoyed "The Cuckoo's Egg" when I read it back in high school!

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    3. Re:Curta - handheld calculator from 1947 by dysfunct · · Score: 1
      Just like the poster above me I find it funny stumbling upon you here on Slashdot after having read "The Cuckoo's Egg". Interesting how many IT "celebrities" are on Slashdot.

      By the way, I once got an A on a test in my German class (native German speaker) for completely ripping one of your more psychological/pedagogical articles apart. Sorry 'bout the bad karma.

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    4. Re:Curta - handheld calculator from 1947 by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Wow - I never thought to look you up on Slashdot. I really enjoyed "The Cuckoo's Egg" when I read it back in high school!

      Hey, your right! Small world. I remember the book talking about the Kermit data transfer software, which I also used on a VAX. The book talked about how the modem delay could be used to estimate the distance to the other modem (in the book's case it was East Germany IIRC). Kudos for the memories!

    5. Re:Curta - handheld calculator from 1947 by Devar · · Score: 1

      You have no idea how much I want one of these things. They often run to about AU$700 on ebay.
      Dan, of Dans Data, found one for AU$40. Lucky bastard!

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    6. Re:Curta - handheld calculator from 1947 by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      We have some idea since you apparently aren't willing to spend AU$700 on one :)

      Rich

    7. Re:Curta - handheld calculator from 1947 by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 1

      Hey, I liked your article back in Scientific American on those. Thanks.

  30. Forget the abacus... by reddburn · · Score: 1

    Why has nobody yet mentioned the slide rule? My father went through his first year of graduate school with one of those bad boys.

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    1. Re:Forget the abacus... by Rick17JJ · · Score: 1

      I am no math expert, but am old enough to remember using a slide rule. Back in the mid-1960s, I was in a 8th grade math class where we were taught the basics of using a slide rule. Mr Turner, the math teacher even had a small slide-rule on his tie clip. Slide rules are now an obsolete technology that many younger people probably don't even know about. Inexpense pocket calculators have made them obsolete.

      Later on I took a couple of Algebra courses in High School and later on at a Junior College. Instead of just using a pocket calculator, the back of the textbook had several large appendixes with tables for looking up the answers to logarithms, square roots and various other types of calculations. I was not like we could just use a pocket calculator to find the answer. If the exact number we were looking for was not in the table, we sometimes had to use interpelation to come up with an estimated answer based on the two nearest answers (not that I remember how to do that).

      Back in the early 1970s (or late 1960s) I remember a cover of Popular Science Magazine with a headline about a pocket calculator for only about $800. Even more amazing was a another cover not too long after that with the headline about calculators for under $100. For $100 you could get a pocket calculator that could add, subtract, multiply and divide.

      Here are a couple of slide rule links, although the link to the free book about using slide rules from Gutenberg.org, was down when I last tired it.

      Slide Rule

      Instruction for using a slide rule from Gutenberg.org or the alternate link to what appears to be the same book from Gutenberg Europe

    2. Re:Forget the abacus... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Log tables are a completely obsolete technology, but I'd expect students these days to have at least been taught briefly about slide rules. I'm only 25, so much younger than the cheap pocket calculator, but I learned about slide rules in school, and seeing how you multiplied numbers with them really helped me understand logarithms.

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    3. Re:Forget the abacus... by KGIII · · Score: 1
      Hmm... Curious... I didn't learn about those in school really. At least not in the sense that we are probably speaking of. I learned to use a slide rule in trade school where I was studying architectural drafting. In traditional school, I'm 33, we weren't allowed a calculator until high school and then only in the more advanced math courses. We had to do everything on paper.


      Oddly I was (un)fortunate enough to have parents who could afford to send me to a private school and they insisted that their educational methods were the best but, alas, no slide rule until much later in life and not in that school. We did, on the other hand, use the afore mentioned tables and we actually did have to learn to use an abacus which is why I mentioned it as a possible candidate for hand-held calculator status because the ones we used certainly were small enough to be held with a hand.

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  31. LEDs make old calculators rare antiques by smchris · · Score: 1

    I really wish my wife hadn't locked my TI-58 into the print cradle with the power on. One of the program chips had a really nice power curve for predicting completion time for running speed by distance.

    I have two SR-10s (square, inverse AND square root -- woo hoo!). My original purchase has the box, charger, case and manual. The problem is that LED junctions burn out. Got a second one at a garage sale but it had a different junction burnt out.

  32. Re:The halcyon days of the first programmable ones by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

    Similar ones are (or I hope by now they were) mandatory for the natural science students in Dutch high-schools, you have to use them on the final exam even! I think since the late 90s. You should be able to program a function in it and look at the graph it draws on the screen. This more or less diminishes math knowledge to knowing how to use the device (which I bet is a bitch), and not so much understand how to find the derivatives, zero points, etc of a function. But what bothers me the most is that these machines cost quite a lot and are completely useless! Even the students going on in natural sciences won't use them because Mathematica and the likes are much more practical for mathematical work than a limited calculator.

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  33. Ah, the scientific calculator by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 1
    Still making it possible to calculate results with 10 digits of precision using numbers with only 2.

    My engineering professors must be so proud.

  34. TI-55 by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    My first programmable was the TI-55.....I've still got it somewhere. I remember when I went to take my first class FCC license, they made you take the battery out and turn it on, just to make sure you were not "cheating" with some preprogrammed code.

  35. This is the device by RogerWilco · · Score: 2, Informative

    As none of the links in the article actually seem to link to a description/picture of the device, here is one for your enjoyment:

    http://www.vintagecalculators.com/html/texas_insturments_ti_58.html

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  36. Re:The halcyon days of the first programmable ones by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

    I'd put together a program to generate determinants of 3x3 matrices, and one of the questions was: "Calculate the determinant of this matrix."

    That would be the DET function on an HP-28 or HP-48. I wrote a program for my HP-28 in college that showed a four-dimensional hypercube rotating on the little LCD screen in real time. The matrix functions came in quite handy for rotational transforms.

    One of the things that surprised me was that the HP-28 was actually faster than the company's VAX for doing magnetic field calculations for a Hemholtz coil I had to design within a 5% field tolerance within a cylindrical volume in the center (this was in 1990). I used it to build a lookup table for getting definite integrals of some goofy function that came out of the Biot-Savart law. I tested the routines on my calculator before running them on the VAX before I realized the calculator was beating the pants off the VAX. They had that VAX in its own room with air conditioning and everything. I wonder what that was all about. Last I heard they were buying lots of HP calculators.

  37. Re:And in honour of its birthday by nithinsujir · · Score: 1

    don't you mean 55378008 ?

  38. FIRST programmable? by kocsonya · · Score: 2, Informative

    > ... officially added to its collection examples of the first two
    > programmable calculators, the TI-58 and TI-59.

    Hm. The HP-65 came out in '74, the TI-58 and TI-57 in '77.

    I had a TI-57 but I also had a programmable calculator one before that, a NatSemi Scientific-PR, which was a '75 machine, AFAIK.

    The TI-58 and 59 are *not* the first programmable calculators by a long shot.

    1. Re:FIRST programmable? by RealGene · · Score: 1

      I still have my TI-57, zipper case, and quick reference card.
      I'm pretty sure it still works, although the battery pack is dead and I'm not sure where my charger is.
      I think the "7" key was getting bouncy.

      Here's a picture of it.

      --Gene

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  39. 850 * 77.1 ? by adnonsense · · Score: 1

    Yes, but can these old calculators work out the modern answer (recently redefined by the calculation software industry leader as 100,000)?

  40. Two words by texaport · · Score: 1

    BOMAR BRAIN

    Out of Massachusetts, it was the first affordable calculator. About once a month there might be one on Ebay.
    It was also the name for an uber-geek ... a geek's geek.

  41. In other news by WallaceAndGromit · · Score: 1

    80085 turns 40 tomorrow.

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  42. This brings back memories.. by the_rajah · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was at T.I. as a calculator design Engineer from 1972 until late 1975 before moving over to the corporate research lab to work on magnetic bubble memories. I worked on several different scientific and business models and was the project engineer for the rare TI-150, the only handheld model to use a plasma (neon) display. I still have one of the prototypes here at my desk in good working condition. I did parts of the electrical design of the magnetic card readers for the SR-52 and SR-60 as well as parts of the main board design for the latter. All that and lots of work on other models, too. Fun projects, good people to work with and fond memories. If any of my old co-workers from that time are reading this, you can get in touch via the web site my nickname links to.

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  43. Bohn mechanical by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Holy cow, my dad had (has?) one of those mechanical Bohn calculators. It required quite a bit of muscle to press the lever. It made a loud "shlunk-chunk" that one could hear all over the house. It was not very user friendly, at least until you got used to it.

    Since he's kind of a pack-rat, we used to joke that his home-office could be a museum. Our joke was half-right it seems.

  44. Now a days.... by Z80xxc! · · Score: 0

    TI makes calculators that are pretty darn nice for school use. The TI-89 titanium (I WANT!!) can do so much amazing stuff (factoring, for example) that they've banned it on the SAT, ACT and other exams. The TI-83/4+ is currently what most of my high school uses. It's amazing some of the things you can do with these calculators... someone mentioned writing a program to do matrices. Well, matrices are built right in, and can be multiplied, etc. without any extra programming effort. Of course, for those who want to, (like me) you can write plenty of useful programs. The built in TI-BASIC is somewhat limited, though I have made some handy programs with it (no more quadratic formula by hand... let the calc do it and show the work, too!). The 83+ and 84+ can also be programmed with ASM, which must be done on a computer (tetris, anyone? Relieves boredom in math class!). They now even have mini-USB ports on the calcs (89 titanium and 84+) so that they can communicate with each other, such as sending programs or apps between calcs, or even (if you school has a lot of money, which mine doesn't) then have a calculator network. Cool stuff. I love my calculator.

  45. Don't forget the HP 9100 by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Although the HP 9100 of 1968 was a desktop calculator and not a hand-held, it was programmable with IF statements (somewhat like BASIC), and model B about a year later implemented subroutines. One could call it the "first microcomputer".

    http://www.hpmuseum.org/hp9100.htm

  46. LEDs by simpl3x · · Score: 1

    Well, they were LEDs and filled with lead if you ever opened one up!

    But, we forgive you for being nearly a three-quarters of a million in /. time, which is reverse from normal. Hell, I waited a year and change. A slow adopter...

  47. Texas Instruments by codingmasters · · Score: 1

    Texas Intruments are amazing when it comes to handheld calculators. I got one in January and use it all the time for much more then working out sums for maths.

  48. Decent new RPN calculator? by ukemike · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know of a decent currently made RPN calculator? Two years ago when my old 48sx wore out, I started looking for one. Everything HP made looked like a cruddy TI. In a panic I found a 48g in good shape on craigslist. Eventually it will wear out. I cannot tolerate an algebraic calculator or a calculator without a nice big stack.

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    1. Re:Decent new RPN calculator? by oronet+commander · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hewlet-Packard keeps selling RPN calculators, such as HP-33s or HP-35s...

    2. Re:Decent new RPN calculator? by navyjeff · · Score: 1

      I have an HP 49G+ that I bought to replace my aging HP 48G. It's not perfect, but if you upgrade the ROM, I've found that it suits my needs very well. The early ROMs had a problem with key debounce being overzealous. It also took a while to get used to the ENTER key being in the bottom right corner instead of the usual place.

      It's nice that it supports all the old HP 48 commands, too. I ended up making printed/bound copies of the manuals myself, since they don't sell them.

      The USB cable interface and the SD card slot are nice, too. I use it primarily for statistics and electromagnetics and whenever I don't feel like whipping out Matlab.

    3. Re:Decent new RPN calculator? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I've not used an HP calculator, but I use dc on my laptop, which does arbitrary precision RPN calculations and runs on pretty much any POSIX-like system. If you can't get a dedicated calculator, there are a few hand-held *NIX machines available, and one of those should be able to run dc pretty nicely (just pick one with a decent keyboard).

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    4. Re:Decent new RPN calculator? by ukemike · · Score: 1

      The HP33s, HP49G+, and 48gll all have a tiny enter key in a weird spot. The HP35s is more along the lines of what I was thinking about. Thanks for the suggestion. It'd be nice to be able to see more than one number in the stack, and it's too bad that the stack is only 4 deep, but I'm glad they have gone back to a calculator designed for RPN use instead of having an optional RPN mode. I guess for now it's stick with my old 48 even though it's more of a calculator than I need. I'd certainly consider a 35s in the future.

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    5. Re:Decent new RPN calculator? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy cow!
      The 49, 49g+, and 50 are _not_ designed for alg. They are very much designed for RPN. They run a modified version of the metakernel from the HP48 (I'd guess you know of it?) and are all RPL internally. The algebraic mode runs over top of RPN and has reduced functionality. I cannot recommend the 50 too highly as a 48 successor -- and the extra screen real-estate combined with the metakernel font sizes permits up to about 10-line stack without compromising usability.
      The enter key is moved, which is a little annoying at first. But I don't see the keymap, even with enter moved as being worse for RPN. It's just a different arrangement to fit more keys on and free the arrow keys in alpha mode. Once you get used to that, you're good to go. After 2 months on a 49g+, switching back to the 48 keyboard was as bad as switching to the 49g+ in the first place, so neither one is clearly better.
      They do have alg enabled by default , but only 3 keypresses to fix that. I hate marketing, but we all know alg people are so dumb they can't change a setting -- if HP wants to sell to them, the alg must be default. RPN people, OTOH, are intelligent, competent, and sexy. Well, at least intelligent and competent enough to switch their calculators over once when they take it out of the box.

  49. Re:The halcyon days of the first programmable ones by lachlan76 · · Score: 1
    These sorts of calculators can't replace actual maths knowledge, though. A graphics calculator can't find exact stationary points for

    y = 4sinx + 9
    or solve a system of linear equations without all of the coefficients given.
  50. Prepare to be impressed! by tgv · · Score: 1

    Hey, I've got a working TI-58 and some of the original programming sheets. Great machine, though the battery doesn't work anymore and the leds are flickering, but well, I can still enter my tic-tac-toe program and be beaten by a calculator (time per move: several minutes).

    Ah, they don't make them like that anymore.

  51. Palm by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    There are excellent programs available for the Palm Pilot that duplicate the functionality of HP calculators. One benefit is that you can get a decent Palm, plus the software (which typically sells for around $25) for less than a new scientific calculator today. I have yet to see any that duplicate all the functionality of my HP 28S, but they have more memory and better screens. And yes, RPN.

  52. For which value of "handheld"? by hcdejong · · Score: 1

    All TI demonstrated in 1967 was a prototype that weighed 3 pounds. TI's own website places the introduction of their first "consumer electronics product", the TI-2500 Datamath, at 1972.
    this page lists portable calculators appearing in 1970, and pocket calculators in 1971. No TI firsts there.

  53. RPN on the TI-89 by JunLitsu · · Score: 1

    Anyone with a TI-89 should check out http://paxm.org/symbulator/download/rpn.html.
    It provides RPN for the TI-89 and also has an option for 86 style bar menus.
    It's by far the single most useful program I have on my 89.

  54. First handheld programmable calculator... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first handheld programmable calculator was the HP 65 (1972) : 100 program steps, magnetic card reader, $800

    The first TI handheld programmable calculator was the TI SR 52 : 224 program steps, magnetic card reader, $395

    TI 57, 58 and 59 appeared in 1977. 58C (constant memory) in 1979.

    My 1979 58C is still going strong :-)

    My HP 65 works OK but the card reader does not work anymore ("gummy" wheel inside the reader) :-(

  55. Casio fx-3600P by Butterspoon · · Score: 1

    My Casio fx-3600P is still in active service, which I must have got over 25 years ago. Awesome machine - light and slim, comes in a little wallet-type thing (from which the calculator may easily be removed). 10-digit display plus exponent. Full compliment of sin, cosh, factorial and all the rest of it, plus stats, integrals, fractions, and programmable (in a primitive but still useful way). Ahh, they don't make em like they used to...

    Bonus: despite heavy use over the years, I've never had to change the battery.

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  56. They're worth something? by Kuad · · Score: 1

    I've had my granddad's old HP-35 (complete with battery pack, leather case, charger, and manual) lying about for ages. I always thought the LEDs were kinda cool. Then this article made me go look it up on Ebay for kicks...

    Holy crap!
    Some people are shelling out $250 for these things! Granted, it kind of pales next to the original price of $395 in 1972 dollars, but still. It's an old pocket calculator. Collectors are a nutty bunch, I tell you...

    1. Re:They're worth something? by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 1

      Collectors?

      Hell, those 35s and 45s are being bought by people who want a sturdy reliable calculator for everyday use or to replace the 35 or 45 that FINALLY, after 30 or so years of use, stopped working.

      My HP-45 is still on my desktop , still working, still used on a daily basis.

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  57. Re:I can hold an abacus (virtual abacus!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    We used to play cards after supper with a Japanese student about 30 or so years ago. At the end of a round she used to add up all the points on a 'virtual abacus' in her imagination, holding her fingers in the air in front her. She was astonishingly quick.

  58. I had one of these behomoths... by Stele · · Score: 1

    Hewlett Packard Model 9100B Electronic Calculator - well, an upgraded version of it that had a card reader and printer built-in. I bought it at a flea market back in the 80's for $3. It didn't come with a power cord, but I found one that fit and the thing actually worked (though I didn't have a manual). I would take it apart and put it back together frequently - the boards and keyboard were really cool and quite modular, and the thing weighed at least 30 pounds. The case was eighth-inch steel.

  59. Patent Trolling, 60's style by Alzheimers · · Score: 1

    From This entry:

    Division is a bit more complicated, but still automatic. One oddity is the appearance of two divide keys on the keyboard. Apparently this was a result of another calculator company having a patent on a 'single key' divide function, which Friden's lawyers were concerned enough about to insist that the machine not have a single key for division. In fact, the 'left' division key is what actually triggers the division to take place, but, if actuated by itself, the resultant quotient will be the 10's compliment of the expected result. The 'right' divide key switches the mode of the counter register (where the quotient is accumulated) so that it increments instead of decrements during the repeated subtraction process that makes up division. So, in order to get the expected answer, both divide keys must be pressed at once.

  60. What about the Bomar Brain? by JrOldPhart · · Score: 1

    TFA Missed all but T.I.

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    Nothing is foolproof, fools are too ingenious. - Murphy
  61. Still have a TI SR-10 ! by UttBuggly · · Score: 1

    I bought a TI SR-10 calculator in 1972. At the time, it was $99.95 plus tax. It did come with a zip up carrying case with a belt loop. I worked for months mowing lawns, picking up pop bottles, using the school's IBM 360 to handicap football games and selling the results, and so on to get that $100.

    Yes, I was the penultimate nerd on that first Monday of school following my glorious purchase. Pocket protector, calculator, horn-rimmed glasses, hair with permanent cowlicks...I was something to behold. BUT, I had my CALCULATOR!! It could do things my slipstick couldn't. I, too, wondered when the school would "outlaw" this technology.

    And, I was the coolest nerd in school...for a whole week whereupon my best friend Bill showed up with HIS TI SR-10. I wanted to kill him, preferably in a chem lab explosion, for several days. We spent the next year and a half trying to one-up each other with the cool stuff we could do with our magic black boxes with red numbers.

    *SIGH*

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    I am my own gestalt.
  62. Re:I can hold an abacus (virtual abacus!) by veganboyjosh · · Score: 1

    While we lived in Japan, I went to an american DODDS (dept of defense) school on the base. In math class, for several years, we had this Japanese guy come in and teach us how to use the sorobans. He told us that he could do high math in his head (high for 6th/7th grade, but can you do 9 digit multiplication in your head?), and would challenge students to a match. He and the student would go stand in the hall, while the class came up with a problem. Two 9 digit numbers to multiply, a long list of 8 and 9 digit numbers to add with one or two thrown in to subtract, etc...he and the student would come back in the room, the student got a calculator, and he would have the answer before the student got the numbers punched into the calculator. I still would not believe it if I hadn't seen it.