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Scientists Build Possibly The First Man-Made Genome

hackingbear writes "Wired is reporting that researchers have created the longest synthetic genome to date by threading together four long strands of DNA. 'Leading synthetic biologists said with the new work, published Thursday in the journal Science, the first synthetic life could be just months away — if it hasn't been created already. [...] The ability to synthesize longer DNA strands for less money parallels the history of genetic sequencing, where the price of sequencing a human genome has dropped from hundreds of millions of dollars to about $10,000. Just a few years ago, synthesizing a piece of DNA with 5,000 rungs in its helix, known as base-pairs, was impossible. Venter's new synthetic genome is 582,000 base-pairs.' As a programmer, I'm most excited by the possibility of a new platform and the programming jobs that will be created by it."

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  1. Thanks for the SuperFlu, Craig! by nebrshugyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If Venter and company royally screw-up, and create some bug that kills us all, or turns the biosphere to a pile of gray goo, nobody's going to make any money off of dandy, new, commoditized designer life forms. Where do I complain?

    1. Re:Thanks for the SuperFlu, Craig! by Fallingcow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd be more worried about the tech becoming common enough and easy enough to use that anyone with $100,000 and some spare time can make a super-virus, or a bacterium that is extremely hardy and destroys wheat or rice crops, or any number of other nasty things.

    2. Re:Thanks for the SuperFlu, Craig! by KublaiKhan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If 'grey goo' could happen from nanotech or biotech, then bacteria would have done it already.

      So far, all that's happened is some assorted earthtone sludge.

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    3. Re:Thanks for the SuperFlu, Craig! by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, the thing about nukes is that you need a good delivery device.. oh, and they're pretty conspicuous, so you'd need a secret silo too. That's, umm, really a lot of capital investment. That said, if more concerned citizens had access to "the button" then we'd hardly have any threat of military coup would we?

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    4. Re:Thanks for the SuperFlu, Craig! by pnewhook · · Score: 3, Funny

      That said, if more concerned citizens had access to "the button" then we'd hardly have any threat of military coup would we?

      Of course not because we'd all be dead by now.

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    5. Re:Thanks for the SuperFlu, Craig! by RobFlynn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Watch this video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6950604815683841321&hl=en

      It's about an hour long. It's both intriguing and a little scary at the same time. It gives a good example of just how far things have come and where they're potentially headed.

      The benefits and cons are both obvious.

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    6. Re:Thanks for the SuperFlu, Craig! by bodan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, the nasty thing about nukes is that you don't need a very good delivery device. It doesn't matter that much where one goes off. Pretty much anywhere in an inhabited or industrialized place one could do a big mess. If anyone could have one, that's a lot of potential messes.

      So a car or a backpack could be very good delivery devices for small enough nukes. You don't even need to be suicidal, you can just leave one somewhere. And suicidal people are not that rare; they weren't even before the current Muslim craze.

      9/11 was such a big deal because it's hard to cause that much damage. You need a good plan and a lot of dedicated people to hijack plane and fly it into a building, even if you have access to guns or normal bombs.

      Imagine for the sake of argument that a nuke was as easy to own as a gun is now. Of course, for rational people with something to loose they would be a good deterrent against aggression. Nukes work (almost) as an anti-aggression deterrent amongst the countries that have them, because the complexities of government tend to average out the crazies. But just barely. They don't stop anyone who doesn't care if they die, though, and there are plenty of crazies in the world.

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    7. Re:Thanks for the SuperFlu, Craig! by spun · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When the techniques are as cheap and simple as they are likely to become, how can you restrict access? It's like trying to restrict access to encryption.

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    8. Re:Thanks for the SuperFlu, Craig! by mc+moss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is incorrect. Just b/c natural evolution didn't produce something yet doesn't mean it is not possible. A common fallacy is thinking that whatever species exist today are the pinnacle of evolution. It doesn't work that way. There is always some mutation that can happen that can produce something new.

    9. Re:Thanks for the SuperFlu, Craig! by Cheesey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You forgot about all the other life on Earth.

      We are the grey goo. The plants and the bacteria had a good go at spreading all over Earth, but we spread further and faster than any previous life. The "grey goo scenario" is limited by the assumption that energy is abundant, and indeed energy (food) shortages are all that stops us covering every inch of the world.

      I, for one, welcome my fellow grey goo overlords.

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    10. Re:Thanks for the SuperFlu, Craig! by Sanat · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not going to argue with you about it, I was on a SAC minuteman missile combat targeting team for eight years that was responsible for setting the war plans, setting the targets, installing the launch codes and aligning the missile to true north (before some new self aligning innovations were installed) so I believe I have the right to make my point. Gravity brings down everything including all of the dirt and rock and debris that is highly radioactive. A dead zone for all who enter. That is why we have ground bursts!

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  2. But, but... by Wylfing · · Score: 4, Funny

    But Jesus, and the Bible!

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    1. Re:But, but... by CaptainPatent · · Score: 4, Funny

      But Jesus, and the Bible! Yes, don't worry...
      We'll be able to genetically replicate those soon too
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    2. Re:But, but... by KublaiKhan · · Score: 2, Informative

      The official position of the Catholic Church, IIRC, is that animals do not have a soul--so no problem there; just define any artificially created lifeforms as non-human animals, and then you'll have no theological problems.

      Not sure about how the other 5/6 of the world's population would think about it, though.

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    3. Re:But, but... by babblefrog · · Score: 2, Funny

      A monk asked Venter-zenji "Does a synthesized life form have Buddha nature or not?"
      Venter-zenji replied "Mu."

    4. Re:But, but... by amRadioHed · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, the easy out there is that Animals are not entirely sentient. You know it's funny, that's exactly what the dolphins and chimpanzees say about humans.
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  3. Impossible? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just a few years ago, synthesizing a piece of DNA with 5,000 rungs in its helix, known as base-pairs, was impossible. Yet, somehow we've managed to have life on earth...
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    1. Re:Impossible? by bumby · · Score: 3, Informative

      unless you believe in "intelligent" design, life on earth wasn't synthesized. At least not by the definition of the word in this domain.

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    2. Re:Impossible? by esampson · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have my own theory; so many things in this world annoy me that they couldn't have happened by random chance. Instead they are proof of some supreme cosmic being who shaped the world just to piss me off.

      I call my theory Belligerent Design. (with all credit to Lore Sjoberg for that joke).

  4. The question that needs to be asked is by Pojut · · Score: 2, Funny

    will they use this technology to create a life form who is programmed to create other life forms?

    Up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! IT'S A NET!!!*

    *My apologies for this horrendously bad joke

  5. Program me a kudzu/marijuana hybrid. by Khyber · · Score: 3, Funny

    If that can be achieved (much like a Florida geneticist once made THC-producing orange trees) then you'll single-handedly kick the War on Drugs' ass. That would be a worthy cause right there.

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  6. Wonderful by pnewhook · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a programmer, I'm most excited by the possibility of a new platform and the programming jobs that will be created by it.

    Geez. The LAST thing society needs is a bunch of synthesized clones running around with hacked up spaghetti code for genes.

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    1. Re:Wonderful by CaptainPatent · · Score: 4, Funny

      Geez. The LAST thing society needs is a bunch of synthesized clones running around with hacked up spaghetti code for genes. Yes, Comment your genes for god sake!!!
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    2. Re:Wonderful by Script+Cat · · Score: 2, Funny

      How can this be attributed to the Finite State Machine. Typically things like this have massive parallelism.
      Though I donot usually draw a weiner when designing a FSM, its appendaged are pretty noodly.

  7. At last! by erroneus · · Score: 2, Funny

    I will have my four-legged chicken! (The drumstick is my favorite part)

  8. An omission by leob · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article does not say if it's methylated in the right places.

    1. Re:An omission by reverseengineer · · Score: 3, Informative
      The parent poses an important question, and as it turns out, Mycoplasma genitalium was a clever choice in that regard: its genome is so streamlined as to lack the machinery to methylate its DNA. In prokaryotes like M. genitalium, methylation is mostly used to distinguish self from non-self DNA, quite useful (restriction enzymes can be used to carve up non-self DNA then), but not strictly necessary; in eukaryotes, it plays a vital role in regulation of gene transcription, so appropriate methylation is very important.

      Analyses of M. genitalium suggest it may have orginally had methylation capabilities, but has lost them over time: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=206970&blobtype=pdf

      In our analysis, restriction enzyme digestions of M. genitalium genomic DNA, using MspI and HpaII, did not support the fact that CpG methylation currently exists in this genome as evidenced by the identical pattern produced by both restriction enzymes (data not shown). Whether the disparity in CpG dinucleotides in the M. genitalium genome is the result of a now extinct CpG methylase activity or related instead to the codon usage of this organism will require further analysis.
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  9. whatcouldpossiblygowrong? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

    "As a programmer, I'm most excited by the possibility of a new platform and the programming jobs that will be created by it."
    As a programmer, when I think of the quality of the HTML on most websites, and then read the above sentence, I throw up in my mouth a little.
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    1. Re:whatcouldpossiblygowrong? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dude. HTML is a completely known entity. There are VALIDATERS for it, and the quality of most HTML is rubbish. An influenza virus has only 10 genes, meaning it doesn't take much "code" to make some really bad bad shit.

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    2. Re:whatcouldpossiblygowrong? by spleen_blender · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My point isn't to praise in any way the people that aren't performing to that standard. It is the fact that they exist almost as a reminder as to what not to do. Sort of a "without night there is no day" kind of thing.

      You make a good point with the dangers that loom. You should read if you haven't "The Singularity Is Near" by Ray Kurzweil. It has some good ideas as to how to deal with this topic with nanotech and AI.

  10. Ewww! by monkeyboythom · · Score: 5, Funny

    As a programmer, I'm most excited by the possibility of a new platform and the programming jobs that will be created by it.

    As a regular guy, I am NOT excited by the thought of thousands of fat, greasy programmers drooling over a test tube and a well worn copy of "Weird Science."

    As my friend Han was so fond of saying, "I've got a bad feeling about this."

    1. Re:Ewww! by jollyreaper · · Score: 2, Funny

      As a regular guy, I am NOT excited by the thought of thousands of fat, greasy programmers drooling over a test tube and a well worn copy of "Weird Science."

      As my friend Han was so fond of saying, "I've got a bad feeling about this." Tell the programmer to keep his hands to himself.
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    2. Re:Ewww! by namgge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a regular guy, I am NOT excited by the thought of thousands of fat, greasy programmers drooling over a test tube and a well worn copy of "Weird Science."

      As a programmer, I can assure you that the first code implemented this platform that says "Hello World!" is going to excite you witless.

      Namgge

    3. Re:Ewww! by beav007 · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...designing a woman that doesn't vocal cords!
      I think you a word there...
  11. Biology as the next Programming language by DFDumont · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The final line of the paragraph scares me to death - I haven't met a programmer whom I'd turn loose on a DNA construction. It would be like handing a loaded, fully-automatic weapon, with the safety ground off, to a three-year-old; or asking them to complete a fully distributed ERP system written in assembler.
    Just because we CAN do something doesn't mean we SHOULD. Perhaps if we constructed a complete corpus of biological effects, and dependencies of all currently known sequences (yeah right, like we're going to sequence every living organism on the planet) we could at least reasonably predict what the effect of NEW sequences might be. Until then the human race is the three-year-old. The gun is loaded. (waiting for the bang...)

    Dennis Dumont

  12. Procedural Abstraction by Aram+Fingal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the article, Venter says that they will need something similar to high level programming tools in order to accomplish useful modifications. I think that there is already plenty of evidence that genetic systems have procedural abstraction. In talking about gene activation, Biologists often use the term "ordered cascade" to describe what's happening when one gene activates a few more and those genes, in turn, activate other genes. If you think about it, it's exactly like subroutines of a program. Construction of the bacterial flagellum, for example, starts with the activation of one gene, which activates others, leading to the contribution of about 25 genes. These genes contribute various parts of the flagellum and activation of the cellular machinery to put it together and attach it to the cell wall.

  13. Monster Debugging by MOBE2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a programmer, I'm most excited by the possibility of a new platform and the programming jobs that will be created by it.

    And who's going to debug all the billions of self-reproducing monsters you unleash into the world, pray tell?

  14. So 582k? by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 3, Funny

    582k ought to be enough for anybody.

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  15. Re:I used to be a paranoid... by orclevegam · · Score: 3, Funny

    Whenever I think somebody, anyone, not just supreme cosmic beings, is trying to piss me off, I think: am I really that important? Why, exactly, would anyone make an effort to piss me off? Nah, probably just a coincidence. You're trying to piss me off aren't you?
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  16. Re:Procedural Abstraction -- Prolog? by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    will need something similar to high level programming tools in order to accomplish useful modifications. I think that there is already plenty of evidence that genetic systems have procedural abstraction.

    Sounds to me like programming in Prolog.

    For those who don't know... A Prolog program is a set of patterns and actions. When a pattern is "matched" it action occures. The set is unordered. A more modern and more widely used version of this is the language "Erlang". I think Erlang points to the way we will write very large systems in the future. For one thing it scales well to systems that have many, many cores. Procedural languages just don't scale so well. Also I think this style of programming could be adapted to formal methods, proof of correctness and so on.

    Back to DNA. I think DNA simply reacts to patterns in it's environment with all of the DNA "looking" for these patterns pretty much in parallel

  17. It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you by Goldarn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whenever I think somebody, anyone, not just supreme cosmic beings, is trying to piss me off, I think: am I really that important? I used to wonder about this. Then I realized that, since the cosmic beings/universe/whatever are trying to piss my off, then I am, ipso facto, that important. It did wonders for my self-esteem.

    Still, I can't help but wonder... is the entire universe against me? Or just the part where light has reached since my birth? Don't laugh; it's an important question.
  18. It's called transubstantiation. by Peter+Trepan · · Score: 5, Funny

    You need a genetic sample [of Christ]

    Acquire a Catholic who has just taken communion and induce him to vomit, thereby producing a viable sample of body and blood.

    Who says science and faith aren't compatible?

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  19. Re:I used to be a paranoid... by amRadioHed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How does an atheist define "good"? Same way a theist decides which religion is right.
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  20. synthetic smallpox virus now within our reach? by ekrock · · Score: 2, Informative

    It doesn't even need to be a "super" virus that we haven't seen before. The smallpox virus's genome has been sequenced and published in publicly-available literature back when everyone assumed you could never synthesize it from scratch. Smallpox has a DNA genome that is only 186,000 base pairs long--shorter than Venter appears to have already synthesized. This means that Venter, or anyone who has the same technology, could probably synthesize the smallpox genome from scratch. Now I'm absolutely not a virologist, scientist, or doctor of any kind, but it seems like at that point, you'd only need to insert that genome into a capsid that was "good enough" to shoehorn the viral genome into a human cell (even if the capsid being used wasn't the actual smallpox capsid). After that, the genome would take over the cell, start churning out copies of actual smallpox virions, and the WHO has already noted that a single human infected with smallpox constitutes an immediate global health emergency due to its infectiousness, its lethality, and the fact that most of the global population hasn't been immunized. I'm no fan of the Commerce Department's export control system by any means, but this technology appears potentially far more dangerous for producing weapons of mass destruction than any nuclear weapon development tool ever was. If we wind up in a situation where anyone with a master's in biology and a lab can synthesize smallpox, it seems naive to assume that no one will do anything stupid or malevolent. Twelve Monkeys, anyone?

  21. Re:time to debug by jediknil · · Score: 2, Funny

    Certainly does need debugging...you're missing a close paren in both versions.