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GPL Edutainment Software

haxot writes "I'm the technologist at a local library. In our lab, I've managed to get some recognition for tools such as GIMP and Open Office, and even such toys as Bomberman and BZFlag. Now I'm turning towards the children's computers, which are mostly filled with ancient, buggy, rather boring games that try to be interactive TV shows rather than something entertaining. I'm looking for good OSS games and education suites (preferably multi-platform — I want to be ready for an OS switch to Linux). I'm not picky about the license; I'd just like the software to actually have that 'neat' appeal. Some examples I've found already are Gcompris and Tux Paint. My focus is the 2-year-old to 8-year-old range, but I'm happy to hear teen-oriented suggestions too. Since it's a public library, however, I can't have any software on the computers that is risqué, gory, or violent."

190 comments

  1. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Informative

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  2. http://www.filegate.net/linux4kids/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might want to look at http://www.filegate.net/linux4kids/ to see if anything meets your needs.

  3. Mindrover by khayman80 · · Score: 5, Informative
    I highly recommend "Mindrover". In this game, you build and program a little robot that goes through obstacle courses, fights other robots, etc. It's got an intuitive graphical programming language (though you can edit the files directly for a more hands on approach). You get to program the robot's default behavior, define how it responds to threats, program "hunting" strategies, etc.

    There's a demo available online, I recommend at least trying it out: http://www.mindrover.com/

    Oh, and there's a Linux version too.

    1. Re:Mindrover by Rudeboy777 · · Score: 1, Informative

      It does look kinda cool, but doesn't seem to meet the poster's GPL requirement

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    2. Re:Mindrover by reset_button · · Score: 1

      While the headline says "GPL", the summary says "I'm not picky about the license". I guess the poster doesn't know what the L in GPL stands for...

    3. Re:Mindrover by cerberusss · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Mindrover". In this game, you build and program a little robot that goes through obstacle courses, fights other robots, etc. It's got an intuitive graphical programming language (though you can edit the files directly
      This game scared the living hell out of me. My 9-year-old nephew started editing the files directly and turned this game into a nightmare where one giant robot called Azr43L enslaved humandkind and started eating babies.
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    4. Re:Mindrover by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      Their link to the Linux version is broken.

      Which figures. I tried to start my nieces on Linux, but didn't get far. The first problem is that some children's websites use Shockwave. Flash goes a long ways, but not enough. Must have Shockwave. While it's possible to run Shockwave in Wine, it doesn't work well on the very old and slow computers that parents typically give youngsters. I managed to persuade them to stick with Linux since there wasn't that much that required Shockwave. But it didn't last.

      The deal breaker was well meaning friends giving them Windows only games (often from Disney) for their birthdays or Xmas.

      I keep hoping Windows will burn them so badly they'll want to dump it. Nope, they just don't see it that way. When they do screw up Windows, they tend to blame themselves, and want it repaired not replaced.

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  4. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by Annymouse+Cowherd · · Score: 0, Redundant

    No one under the age of 13 could EVER use Blender. Even I can't >_>

  5. Take a look at MIT Scratch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Website is here. It's a different approach to teaching programming fundamentals to kids, somewhat akin to the concept behind LOGO.

    1. Re:Take a look at MIT Scratch by mmurphy000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      And, for us programming geeks, Scratch is built on Squeak, the open source implementation of Smalltalk.

    2. Re:Take a look at MIT Scratch by jon207 · · Score: 1

      Scratch is not free software. The licence doesn't allow commercial usage of the code.

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    3. Re:Take a look at MIT Scratch by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Ethics debate.....this is a public library, not a for-profit company. They aren't selling anything. So, are they commercial?

      Layne

    4. Re:Take a look at MIT Scratch by jon207 · · Score: 1

      I don't say they are commercial (they are not), but the title of this story is "GPL Edutainment Software" and the guy look for "good OSS games" but Scratch is not GPL nor free (as in freedom).

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    5. Re:Take a look at MIT Scratch by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      I really think he is looking for Free (as in beer -- at least free for the library to use) programs regardless of license and source status. Many people use the term OSS incorrectly when they mean free....it comes from those people that lumped them together as F/OSS. I personally look for free first when I look for software to accomplish a task. If it's open source, that's great, but I rarely plan on making mods myself (but am capable if necessary).

      Layne

    6. Re:Take a look at MIT Scratch by baud123 · · Score: 1

      why not using logo language directly?
      Here's a version http://xlogo.tuxfamily.org/ (Java, GPL)
      An L-system based on guile http://bioschematics.tuxfamily.org/gallery.php (GPL) doing nice images, Linux only iirc
      Knoscience a live-CD with many software on it http://knosciences.tuxfamily.org/doku.php?id=knosciences:software_list

    7. Re:Take a look at MIT Scratch by mykdavies · · Score: 1

      As well as Scratch, there's a lot of other interesting educational stuff built on top on Squeak, eg eToys, Plopp, Dr Geo II etc. The fact that it's on the OLPC XO is driving a lot of development work for new activities as well.

      There's an article at news.squeak.org that mentions an interesting series of posts by one of the developers of Dr Geo II who is building up an introduction to Squeak features for educators.

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    8. Re:Take a look at MIT Scratch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to Squeak, you might as well go to Etoys, which is Squeak with a lot of educational activities piled in:

      http://squeakland.org/

      You might consider looking at the stuff the OLPC is porting for inclusion on their machines. (You can also run their software directly in emulation.)

      http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities

  6. Anyone else laugh at the last two sentences? by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    My focus is the 2-year old to 8-year old range, but I'm happy to hear teen-oriented suggestions too. Since it's a public library, however, I can't have any software on the computers that is risqué, gory, or violent.
    No gore, cuz it is a public library. Otherwise it'd be cool for the 2-8 year olds.

    1. Re:Anyone else laugh at the last two sentences? by gruvmeister · · Score: 1

      No gore, cuz it is a public library. Otherwise it'd be cool for the 2-8 year olds.
      Well yeah, duh. Excessive and gratuitous violence is fine, as long as there's nothing sex-related. However, even using the word 'sex' will cause the family values of our culture to deteriorate to the point where we're having pedophile orgies in the street.
    2. Re:Anyone else laugh at the last two sentences? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1
      It's amazing -- you quoted it, yet you obviously didn't read it...

      My focus is the 2-year old to 8-year old range, but I'm happy to hear teen-oriented suggestions too.
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    3. Re:Anyone else laugh at the last two sentences? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My focus is the 2-year old to 8-year old range, but I'm happy to hear teen-oriented suggestions too. Since it's a public library, however, I can't have any software on the computers that is risqué, gory, or violent.

      There, bolded the important part.

  7. Going back to my youth by joeflies · · Score: 4, Informative
    It seems that there are modern day ports of LOGO and Robot Odyssey, both of which were pretty influential in my early education and gravitated me towards computer science ever since.

    Disclaimer, I haven't actually tried the software in the links above.

    1. Re:Going back to my youth by Angostura · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a very nice port of Logo for OS X here: http://www.alancsmith.co.uk/logo/index.html. It's free as in beer, but not as in speech.

    2. Re:Going back to my youth by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      Ri-li is an awesome snake-like train game which has questions pertaining to the constitution in between levels. It's fun even for adults.

    3. Re:Going back to my youth by Cow+Jones · · Score: 1

      I saw a very nice graphical LOGO implementation on the OLPC Live CD. It's called Turtle Art, and rather than writing lines of code, you work in a very visual style, by snapping together puzzle-piece type blocks. Here is a screenshot of a very basic script that draws a square. It was fun for me, an adult, to play and tinker with the code blocks, and I'm sure a lot of smart kids would love it, too. This is a great way to learn about programming.

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    4. Re:Going back to my youth by BrainInAJar · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but I think someone thought they were doing good by creating that, but LOGO is mostly designed to get kids interested in programming... this kinna defeats the purpose of that, no?

    5. Re:Going back to my youth by Cow+Jones · · Score: 1
      I don't see how it does. Whether you use alphanumeric symbols or graphical blocks, it's still programming. What Turtle Art teaches is how to approach a problem (like, drawing a hexagon) analytically, and break it up into parts that are small enough for a computer to understand.

      Of course there's more to programming, granted. But kids don't need to know all that when they make their first steps. The trick is to show them that programming isn't magic, and get them interested.

      I don't have the live CD anymore to check, but I'm pretty sure TA also had a mode where you could see the actual LOGO script that you've created. That would make the transition to "real" programming even easier.

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    6. Re:Going back to my youth by dominux · · Score: 1

      Firstly, it is programming. Secondly it isn't just about getting kids interested in programming. You can use it to teach geometry, starting with the difference between left and right and moving on to the angles in a triangle etc. You can use it as a tool to teach all sorts of lessons if you have the imagination.

    7. Re:Going back to my youth by xtracto · · Score: 1

      There is a very nice logo port called StarLogo TNG from MIT which has a VERY graphical programming model (you make the programs attaching graphic blocks representing different instructions).

      The idea is pretty neat and Logo was the first programming language I used (and in fact the first time I used a computer when I was 7 years old :) )

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    8. Re:Going back to my youth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOGO was probably my first in-school programming class... I still tell everyone about Robot Odyssey - I learned more about digital electronics from that game as a kid than I did as an adult in college.

  8. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by calebt3 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I disagree. Although telling them to have fun with it is expecting a bit much.

  9. Gcompris ? Need an uglier name please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I installed GCompris my laptop. My wife saw it, and asked 'what the heck is Gcompris?' "What is Gimp?" Can someone please come up with better names for some of these programs?

    So far my 3.5 year old son has a blast spelling his name in OpenOffice. He hasn't enjoyed Gcompris, as most of the games seem targeted towards older children and tend to be a bit buggy.

    1. Re:Gcompris ? Need an uglier name please by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 1

      Better (less literal) English = "I get it."

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  10. educational games suck by SoupGuru · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One thing I remember from working at a school years ago is that educational games tend to suck really bad.

    There's just no motivation to be fun. Speaking from a proprietary standpoint, what factors does an educator look for when deciding which games to purchase? Cost and what the learning topics are. "Here's a game that teaches multiplication and is $10 cheaper than all the others." Fun doesn't fit into the equation. And it's not like many educators are test-driving these games either. Oh, and these are typically poorly written games too.

    My point being, the educational games sector is filled with poorly made products that feature very little fun and are a pain to administer. Hopefully some open source options don't suffer from the same issues. Hopefully you'll be able to sort through the crap and find some good ones though.

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    1. Re:educational games suck by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bah, you just haven't tried the right ones. Obviously The Oregon Trail didn't suck, it was played by millions of a full decade. (I'm sure it's still on most school computers today.) Rocky's Boots, which badly needs a revival, was a great way to learn logic and programming. I had it on my C-64 when I was a kid, and I don't go a week without thinking back to something I learned in that game.

    2. Re:educational games suck by calebt3 · · Score: 1

      Speaking of Oregon Trail... Anybody know of any good open source clones?

    3. Re:educational games suck by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      While on the whole your right, the 1st game i remember playing was a maths challenge on the acorn, took you through a maths based version of jack and the beanstalk. never finished the damn thing tho.

      In the Ubuntu repos i spotted a few but none seamed promising, id suggest finding a computer with over 512 ram and using a liveCD to test out the games, if you find anything, as its OSS chances are it will be available for windows too.

      However here are very few programs for kids under GPL, they dont really conform to the "software thats going to get you laid principle" or "software somebody has paid for".

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    4. Re:educational games suck by cstdenis · · Score: 1

      The sim series of games was fun and at least somewhat educational as well.

      And there are lots of them. Wikipedia lists: SimCity, SimEarth SimAnt SimLife SimFarm SimRefinery SimTower SimHealth SimIsle SimTown SimPark SimGolf SimTunes SimSafari SimCopter Streets of SimCity Theme Park World Theme Park Inc Sid Meier's SimGolf MySims

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    5. Re:educational games suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.virtualapple.org/

      Online emulator for all Apple II and Apple IIgs games. Includes Oregon Trail, Number Munchers and lots others.

    6. Re:educational games suck by Jorophose · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I remember SimHealth...

      Wasn't that the one funded by some US health org to try and get people to fix the health problem in the US, Canada, and other places facing the same situation?

      Of course, I don't think anybody got a "good" score in that game. We went after it for years and barely got close.

      SimEarth was fun too. A bit less "educational" from a quick glance, but playing in it you do understand concepts of how species need some things and will adapt to satisfy needs and how they react to other species, how the planet reacts to events, etc.

      SimCity, however, is without a doubt the most "educational". It teaches you that everything you do is wrong and you better try harder to make it right. :)

    7. Re:educational games suck by P51mus · · Score: 1

      Sturgeon's law? 90% of everything is crap.

      There were some educational games that I was quite fond of, though, like the Dr Brain series of games that was from Sierra. Island, Lost mind, and Time warp in particular.

      As a bonus, I happen to find mad science amusing.

    8. Re:educational games suck by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "My point being, the educational games sector is filled with poorly made products that feature very little fun and are a pain to administer."

      This is true for the entire software industry not just educational games. Also I think branding something 'educational' is kinda silly, education happens when you learn something new and modify your worldview to account for it. As a child in the 60's I loved Disney comics, adults told me they were a waste of time yet when I got older I realised I had I learnt stuff like Bolivia has emerald mines and many other tit-bits of knowledge from them. I also credit my appreciation of classical music to Bugs Bunny and Co.

      A formal education and a good computer game are in fact similar, they both take a while to learn the basics, are somewhat repetitive, keep the next goal just out of reach and are fun for those willing to explore on their own. The difference (and the thing people are really complaining about) is the subject matter.

      About 15yrs ago I wrote a game for MBA students at a university here in Australia. The object of the game was to grow a bussiness using a particular management theroy (the details and name of which escape me). It was textual and turn based, it ran for one semester and the students entered a budget once a week as part of an ongoing assignment. The lecturer I wrote it for did the testing, this worked well because I thought the game was boring and the programming was fun and he thought the opposite. For some reason the (adult) students perception of 'fun and educational' seemed to be heavily correlated with their ranking in the game even though the game was provided as a tool not a test. ;)

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    9. Re:educational games suck by CSMatt · · Score: 1

      There's software that can get you laid? Tell me more.

    10. Re:educational games suck by yomegaman · · Score: 1

      Was Oregon Trail really educational? What exactly did it teach? M.U.L.E. was a much cooler strategy/allocation game, plus it teaches kids the important lesson that gambling is fun and always profitable!

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    11. Re:educational games suck by kkiller · · Score: 1

      Sadly it uses ActiveX... So useless on Linux.

    12. Re:educational games suck by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      "So I said, narrow the focus. Your "use case" should be, there's a 22 year old college student living in the dorms. How will this software get him laid?"
      http://www.jwz.org/doc/groupware.html

      Basically its a rant about why groupware sucks and why if OSS wants to kick outlooks arse we should do what he says, If somebody had listend maybe we wouldnt be stuck with facebook :(

      The theory goes something like if users like the software they're going to show it to people, they're going to use it your user base keeps expanding and you get more developers so your program keeps improving. But if you develop for managers, your software has to meet some random checklist decided by a bunch of people that dont even use the software, and then everybody hates.
      OSS had a shot at kicking some arse, by making software to gets you laid, but they missed and so people still define outlook as the gold standard of email clients, and nobody got laid :(
      As a side note if you plan on developing OSS software
      1) get me laid
      2) http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html

      For information why the vista email scandal is extra ironic see: http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/rbarip.html

      Remember kids, cool screensavers like xscreensaver, get you laid,( i mean a chick walks into your dorm and sees a cow on a trampoline/one of those duck things, things are only going to turn out one way), groupware doesn't.

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    13. Re:educational games suck by Phics · · Score: 1

      Not all of them do. My first real encounter with an educational game was on my home-built Apple II. My father bought me a game called Rocky's Boots by the Learning Company.

      I had no idea that playing with 'logic gates' would be the building blocks which would spark my fascination with computer programming and software design in the future. I've never forgot that game, and I always credit it as one of the most influential learning experiences I had at that age.

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    14. Re:educational games suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bah, you just haven't tried the right ones. agree completely. the dickhead who wrote the parent is just an idiot saying whatever diahorea is floating around in his tiny numbskull which is, unfortunately, typical of many /. posts
    15. Re:educational games suck by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Oregon Trail was all about risk management and long-term vs. short-term gain. It wasn't educational if you set the difficulty to "easy" and just constantly hunted deer and buffalo.

    16. Re:educational games suck by shawse · · Score: 1

      And it's not like many educators are test-driving these games either. At least the newer ones are being taught better. I had some friends who studied elementary education about 6 years back. I know they took a technology in the classroom course for which testing and analyzing technology (primarily games) was a large part of the course and grade. One of the primary factors to consider was fun (or at least what the current literature and studies said the age group enjoyed).
    17. Re:educational games suck by Khaed · · Score: 1

      I disagree. The Carmen Sandiego game I played was great, and I loved Oregon Trail (especially when my entire harem made it!), and when I was younger I recall some strange math program that was kind of fun. And I didn't even like math.

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  12. starbuckt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Frozen Bubble is fairly mindless but endlessly entertaining. I believe it comes pre-packaged with some distros. There is also a Java port.

    http://www.frozen-bubble.org/

    1. Re:starbuckt by spike1 · · Score: 1

      There're numerous bubble bobble clones now, some of them (IMO) actually play better and harder than frozen bubble... xbubble is good because you can play in duel mode against the computer or (I think) another player.

  13. Re:hahaha by moderatorrater · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a library worker, it's his job to make sure that the computers run the best they can for the least amount of money. If he's more capable with the free software than he is with the proprietary stuff, then he's not so much an "evangelist" as a good employee.

  14. Lemonade Stand by athloi · · Score: 1

    http://www.codenautics.com/lemonade/

    Just like the Apple II classic. Teach them capitalism so they don't end up on drugs ;)

    1. Re:Lemonade Stand by HeavensBlade23 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Capitalism will teach them dealing drugs is a much better hobby than doing them.

    2. Re:Lemonade Stand by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

      Just like the Apple II classic. Teach them capitalism so they don't end up on drugs ;)
      Am I the only one find it funny that the original game (shipped on a cassette tape and loads in 16k Apple II) has morphed into a 1MB compressed file for Windows XP?
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    3. Re:Lemonade Stand by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Assuming it was a re-implementation, then it probably wasn't written in hand-coded assembly.

      Otherwise, that 1 meg probably includes an Apple II emulator. Did your entire Apple II box fit into a 1 meg compressed file?

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    4. Re:Lemonade Stand by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uh. No. It won't.

      I submit as my two pieces of evidence: a TED talk by Levitt and his book.

      Steven Levitt: Why do crack dealers still live with their moms?.

      You may also want to check out his book (Freakonomics).

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    5. Re:Lemonade Stand by Shawn+is+an+Asshole · · Score: 1
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  15. there's Sqeak e-Toys and others by Locutus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sqeak is a Smalltalk-like language and environment, runs on many platforms and has a package called e-Toys. It's on the OLPC

    I believe they have other education software too so here's a link for you to search for yourself:

    http://www.squeak.org/Features/Education/

    LoB

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  16. Dope Wars by ceroklis · · Score: 4, Funny

    A very educational game to learn all you need to know about drugs, guns, prostitutes, loan sharks and New York geography. Highly recommended! http://dopewars.sourceforge.net/

    1. Re:Dope Wars by maxume · · Score: 1

      The kids already have that on their calculators.

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    2. Re:Dope Wars by RaNdOm+OuTpUt · · Score: 0

      Link (for the calculator version)?

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    3. Re:Dope Wars by maxume · · Score: 1

      There is more than one kind of calculator so there isn't any "the" version. Look here for lots of games:

      http://www.ticalc.org/

      That's where I went back when I needed calculator games(but you might have a Casio or something).

      Apparently, they removed "inappropriate material":

      http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/archive/index.php/t-31456.html

      It's the internets, there is a Google, you'll figure something out.

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  17. MegaMek (for the older teens) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to love playing Battletech the board game when I was middle-high school aged. Check out the java version available for all platforms, its pretty fun and true to the board game, though could use a UI facelift to make it a bit more intuitive for first time users.

    megamek link

  18. crap, it's Squeak not Sqeak dumbass by Locutus · · Score: 1

    I hate when that happens. :-/

    LoB

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  19. What about Phun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://phun.cs.umu.se/wiki

    It is really intuitive to use and the name just about says it all. It is however perhaps slightly heavier on system requirements than other 2D educational games out there (more so if you start playing with large volumes of water)

  20. www.edu-nix.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A live CD and Windows Free Software installer, also a good listing of apps that are edutainment-related.

    http://www.edu-nix.org/livecdthree/

  21. KDE Games, KDE-EDU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You should at least take a look at the kde4 and Education projects. Arguably, they're the best parts of KDE4 (no argument about the games; they *are* the best parts), and since KDE4 is destined for Windows too, it's cross-platform, although I don't know what state the Windows port is actually in.

    1. Re:KDE Games, KDE-EDU by Narishma · · Score: 1

      Duplicate link. Try this one http://edu.kde.org/.

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    2. Re:KDE Games, KDE-EDU by Danious · · Score: 1

      Windows will be officially supported from 4.1 onwards, which is due for release in 2-3 months.

  22. Physics and Software by macneib · · Score: 4, Informative

    Phun is an educational, entertaining and somewhat addictive piece of software for designing and exploring 2D multi-physics simulations in a cartoony fashion.

    http://www.vrlab.umu.se/research/phun/

    Alice is an innovative 3D programming environment that makes it easy to create an animation for telling a story, playing an interactive game, or a video to share on the web. Alice is a teaching tool for introductory computing. It uses 3D graphics and a drag-and-drop interface to facilitate a more engaging, less frustrating first programming experience.

    http://www.alice.org/

    1. Re:Physics and Software by LMCBoy · · Score: 1

      Also consider Step, which from the description of phun sounds similar to that program.

      Step is part of the KDE Edutainment module (or rather, it will be soon...)

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    2. Re:Physics and Software by speculatrix · · Score: 1

      crayon physics, numpty physics, pocket physics, are all pretty good and offer somewhat similar ideas. there's a flash based variant called magic pen.
      google for the others since you'd need to install an application.

  23. You can't. Really? by pclminion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since it's a public library, however, I can't have any software on the computers that is risqué, gory, or violent.

    Exactly why not? Does your library also lack risqué, gory, and violent books? What the hell sort of library is this?

    1. Re:You can't. Really? by TomRK1089 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm pretty sure that, given the ages specified in the actual post, there'd be plenty of parents objecting to that material being aimed at their children, just as parents protest the inclusion of said material on television. That's not to say there aren't kids (like myself at that age) who will be reading those books anyways, but I suppose the idea is that it requires the kid to actively seek it out, rather than stumble onto it rather easily.

    2. Re:You can't. Really? by hyperball · · Score: 1
      Homer's Odyssey and the Iliad: rated nc-17 for violence, sex, aberrational behavior and drug abuse. (and if you feel like trolling you could include the Bible's more explicit passages)

      Anyway, games wise:

      MathBlaster

      Where in the World is Carmen San Diego (hate this game, but it taught me basic geography)
      and of course

      Tetris never underestimate the classics! :D

    3. Re:You can't. Really? by qwerty+shrdlu · · Score: 1

      But the yammerheads will never know what's in the books unless they read.

    4. Re:You can't. Really? by westlake · · Score: 1
      Exactly why not? Does your library also lack risqué, gory, and violent books? What the hell sort of library is this?

      The library that has a children's section. The library that restricts access to other collections.

  24. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by Facetious · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Tell that to my 10-year-old son. He does great with it, and he teaches himself by watching tutorials on Youtube.

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  25. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by ZenDragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its absolutely amazing and a true testament to the power of open source that programs like Blender actually exist. I mean there is obviously hundreds of thousands of hours of dev time behind that program. Competitors sell similar programs for tens of thousand of dollars, and you can go down that for free. Just... awesome.

  26. try K12LTSP by dalesyk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Take a look at http://k12ltsp.org They focus on educational software and thin clients. Both would be a good fit for a library environment.

  27. Alice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps a bit older than you were looking for

    Storytelling Alice - Designed for Middle School
    http://www.alice.org/kelleher/storytelling/index.html

  28. Frozen Bubbles by RiffRafff · · Score: 1

    Frozen Bubbles. Fun, and teaches some geometry.

    http://www.frozen-bubble.org/

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  29. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by HeavensBlade23 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think small children would have an easier and significantly more fun time playing with a kitchen blender than trying to learn the application.

  30. Free alternative by meregistered · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hello

    Having children in that age range, and having looked to some degree I haven't found any GPL educational games that really got my kids interest (Tux paint held the 6 year olds attention for an afternoon).

    What has held my children's interest are games on the following websites:
    http://www.pbskids.org/
    http://funschool.kaboose.com/
    http://www.starfall.com/
    http://kids.discovery.com/

    1. Re:Free alternative by El_Oscuro · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you have Linux, goto http://www.cnr.com. In addition to the usual Linux games for Linspire/Ubuntu, they have a ton of links to Linux friendly web games. One of my girls favourites is http://www.clubpenguin.com, which ironically does not have anything to do with Linux, but runs fine on it.

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    2. Re:Free alternative by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 1

      http://www.jacksonpollock.org/

      Most young kids will love it. You can argue if it's educational or not, but that debate itself may be educational.

      "Why is it not art Daddy? It looks like my dwawings."

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  31. Line Rider by RiffRafff · · Score: 1

    How about Line Rider as a flash game?

    http://www8.agame.com/mirror/flash/l/linerider_v1_5.swf

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  32. Links to web based games by LandOfConfu$ion · · Score: 1

    Web based games (usually in flash) can be fun, especially for the younger kids.

    For 2-5 I like www.poissonrouge.com

  33. Off the wall suggestion... by TomRK1089 · · Score: 1

    If your library has a CD collection, you could see about installing AudioSurf, and having the kids get a sense of how different certain styles of music are. That's reeeally stretching what could be considered 'educational' though.

  34. OpenDisc and OpenEducationDisc by PineHall · · Score: 4, Informative

    Check out OpenEducationDisc and OpenDisc.

  35. Re:hahaha by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

    True, although it's hard to say from the summary whether the submitter is actually opposed to commercial software or not. If he is, shame on him for reducing his options... but hopefully he's looking for quality software first, and its free/commercial status is a secondary consideration.

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  36. DroidQuest, a Robot Odyssey clone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For learning basic circuitry, logic gates and wiring in a fun way, I'd have once recommended Robot Odyssey for the Apple IIe. These days, there's a java clone called DroidQuest.

  37. Clones of Classic Titles by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

    SimCity was just open-sourced, and there is the even better Lincity-NG, but where are the open source clones of Number Numbers, Carmen Sandiego, Oregon Trail, etc?

    kde-edu is a nice start, but if there were more education programs, I think Linux would make more inroads in schools. Introducing kids early on to the concept of free software, and choices in picking your software is very important.

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  38. Tux Paint Recommendation by ICA · · Score: 1

    You already mentioned Tux Paint, but I wanted to express how truly great that program is for kids.

    I found it several years ago when my 7 year old was 2 and he loved it. Since then, my current 5 and 3 year olds, along with many cousins and friends have all truly enjoyed it.

    It is probably the best example of how to design open source software for kids, in my mind.

    1. Re:Tux Paint Recommendation by kehren77 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Can't say enough good things about this program. I work at a K-6 school. We switched to Tux Paint as a cheap alternative to buying a new version of Kid Pix and both the students and staff love it.

  39. Phun, fun physics sandbox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give Phun a whirl, its a physics sandbox thats made by a university student from sweden. My first thought when i saw it was; Damn, wish i had this when i was a kid :-)

    From the site (http://phun.cs.umu.se/wiki/About):
    "Phun is meant to be a playground where people can be creative. It can also be used as an educational tool to learn about physics concepts such as restitution and friction."

    It has linux binarys avalible and the author is planning on releasing the code, just hasn't decided on what licence to use.

    Video of gameplay http://phun.cs.umu.se/wiki/Media

  40. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by Narishma · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yeah but Blender wasn't always open source.

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  41. Turtle Graphics by wilsoniya · · Score: 1

    E.g. KTurtle. It's fun and very approachable for little'uns who are interested in programming and/or art.

    I remember endless frustration during my initial attempts to grasp more traditional languages--they generally depend on a great deal of prerequisite knowledge and experience which a beginner hasn't accumulated yet. In elementary school I was exposed to some variety of Turtle Graphics on an old Mac and made some fun, albeit simple, pictures. The visual feedback offered is a vastly more effective reenforcement than console output (for me at least). Event though it is (or can be) a very simple language, it includes staple concepts of most languages.

    KTurtle has a nice reference guide included with it, so a student (or instructor instructing students) can absorb the language at their own pace.

    Perhaps ambitious students would realize their potential and move up to a general purpose language. Maybe even C/C++ and OpenGL to further explore graphics!

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  42. Anagramarama by Ztyx · · Score: 1

    You should definitely have a look at Anagramarama. It's a fun game for many different ages, and can certainly be played in groups. Also with/without adults. Also exists in other languages than English. The game is available to GNU/Linux, Windows and Mac and BeOS. Inface it should probably work on all platforms that support SDL.

  43. Edutainment by Haoie · · Score: 1

    Maybe I'm just jaded, but there are very, very few examples of edutainment that kids actually like playing. When I was young, Zoombinis was great to play at school, but that was about it.

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  44. You really use GIMP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GIMP? Bah, Paint.net (http://www.getpaint.net) is where it's at :)

    Also, though definately not one for the kiddies (and also will fall under your gory category), Typing of the Deat, while not free, will teach teenagers to type far better than any Mavis Beacon stuff they have at school.

  45. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by leothar · · Score: 1

    Why was this modded Troll? Blender isn't exactly suited for 2-8 year olds...

  46. Bug Squish, Enigma... by desierto · · Score: 1

    Bug Squish, think by the same creators of Tux Paint. Popular with the 2-8 crowd. Also Enigma is a fun game, the puzzles are difficult, but it will keep a kid occupied for a few minutes.

  47. Roborally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Somewhat similar and GPL:
    Botsnscouts is a Java version of Roborally (though without option cards).

    But use the CVS version, it's way better than the ancient release.

  48. Not GPL but otherwise free, ZoeyBot.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ZoeyBot is a free service for kids, parents and educators. It's Disney DXD meets Wikipedia/google for kids.

  49. alice -- carnegie mellon's programming for kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.alice.org/

  50. KDE4 Education and Games by MtHuurne · · Score: 3, Informative

    The KDE Education package contains some impressive applications. The KDE Games package contains some nice casual games. In KDE4, many of them were given new good-looking SVG graphics. Also since KDE4, they can be run on Windows and Mac OS X natively (and on Linux too of course). The Windows port is a work in progress; maybe not something you should install tomorrow, but something to keep an eye on.

  51. Tenative Plans by beth_gis · · Score: 1

    I'm helping a local park get started with an outdoor classroom (no computers outside), but we are hoping to have a "rainy-day room" with a few computer games. Since we expect younger children we were going to have the donated computers (i.e. older) running on ubuntu with Google Earth; the plan is to have prepared a KML of natural areas within and near the park with lots of things for the children to click. We also wanted to have a television with the auto-focus 'microscope' at http://www.eyeclops.com/. The possibility of Sketchup or Scratch has been discussed.

  52. well.. by kris.montpetit · · Score: 1

    scribbles is a great program for drawing that Im actually grooming to replace photoshop for simple drawing-but is also meant to be a simple childrens' drawing program. Unfortunately, its a mac only program so linux or windoze could be a problem.. neverball on the otherhand is an awesome cross platform game that is free.Highly addictive though-you may want to consider putting a time limit on it!

  53. Collection Development Policies in Play by Mark+Cicero · · Score: 0

    Well yeah, duh. Excessive and gratuitous violence is fine, as long as there's nothing sex-related. However, even using the word 'sex' will cause the family values of our culture to deteriorate to the point where we're having pedophile orgies in the street. It's not quite that simple. The collection development policies for graphic novels generally get applied to video games because they have been around longer and are easy to steal from another library.
    • G or Family rated stuff for the under 12s which means nothing at all allowed. E.g. Kim Possible, Disney Princesses, Peach Girl (I'm blanking. There's more but its been about 4 years since I made a children's gn collection sorry)
    • Teen -- Items for the 12 to 14 year olds. This is for the older kids still in the children's section or their parents. It generally allows for comic violence (punch upside the head) but absolutely no blood or gunplay. E.g. Innuyasha, Naruto, Bone
    • 16+ -- Items in the teen collection that have one or two of the bad list (blood, violence, boobies) but not all three (depending on the library this could require no nudity which means half of Sandman is in the teen section but the other half is in adult). E.g. Astro City, Essential (Xmen, Superman, fill in the blank), Alan Moore stuff
    • Adult -- For the adult collection. Eg. Transmetropolitan, Preacher.
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    1. Re:Collection Development Policies in Play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a lot of blood and gore in Naruto. And people dying, etc.

    2. Re:Collection Development Policies in Play by Mark+Cicero · · Score: 0

      Whoops. I meant dragonball z. My bad.

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  54. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The OP said his focus is on 2-8 year olds. While it's cool your 10 year old enjoys blender (and I think Blender rocks), it's outside the scope of the original post. Better to keep the discussion on topic.

    Some 10 year olds will enjoy Blender, but it's not exactly a user-friendly (certainly not child friendly) interface. Hence the need for tutorials on YouTube. My 11 year old tried and enjoyed 3ds Max (had no problem picking it up), but thought Blender was completely unintuitive.

  55. Edubuntu? by linuxwrangler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd find a machine and see what you think of Edubuntu ("Linux for Young Human Beings").

    http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu

    My daughter is 3-1/2 and loves the stuff on Linux. She was typing her name on TuxPaint before she turned three but we had to click on the icons for her to set it to text or other modes since the mouse was too big and unwieldy.

    So I bought her a laptop mouse which is perfect for her small hand. Big mistake. She will now sneak into the computer and start up "Paint Penguins" (TuxPaint), draw something, print it and come show us.

    If she's bored with that she plays "Running Penguins" (SuperTux) or "Bubble Penguins" (Frozen Bubbles) or steals my Blackberry to show where Nana lives on Google Maps.

    If she finds my bank-account numbers I'm in trouble. But seriously, Linux has plenty of edutainment software available and Edubuntu packages it in one place. It it also designed for classroom (and therefore, I suppose, library) use with features like centralized-management (LTSP) and such.

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    1. Re:Edubuntu? by kidcharles · · Score: 1

      Mod parent +1 Cute.

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  56. Astronomy software by Ken_g6 · · Score: 1

    Seeing KStars in KDE reminded me that there are a couple of really good FLOSS astronomy programs out there.

    One is Celestia, which lets you travel/fly through the solar system, the galaxy (including several other known solar systems), and the local universe!

    I know there's also a similar FLOSS planetarium program (Earth-based, rather than space-based), but I can't find it right now. Through in a pinch, Celestia can work like a planetarium too.

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    1. Re:Astronomy software by solanum · · Score: 1

      Stellarium is what you are thinking of, at www.stellarium.org Multi-platform, and used professionally, needs a 3D card though.

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  57. Tux Math by filesiteguy · · Score: 1

    My kids both love Tux of Math Command...

    http://tux4kids.alioth.debian.org/tuxmath.php

    Here's my five year old son playing...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D20yCEDye2Q

  58. Google Sketchup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was some discussion about Blender, which I found far too complicated for kids, but Google Sketchup may fit the bill for a kid-friendly 3D application. It would target the high end of your range (my 8 year old enjoyed it), but certainly not a 2 year old. May not be OSS, but it is available for free...

  59. Good Article by motang · · Score: 1

    I read this morning on Linux.com about how a dad install Edubuntu on his computer(s) at home and his kids love it. You might want to take a look at Edubuntu.

  60. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'll bet they'd learn it easier than you.

    That's not a slight on you, just that it's well known that kids pick up things quicker than adults. That's why "child-proof" caps really end up being adult-proof -- my parents always used to ask me to open them, as a kid.

    Sorry, I'll get off your lawn now.

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  61. Frets on Fire (GPL) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not too much edu but loads of tainment!

    http://fretsonfire.sourceforge.net/

    You might need headphones tho since it's a library! xD

  62. Dev tools. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    You did say "teen-oriented"...

    Firebug, for one...

    Or just include source and compilers for everything you can find. Gentoo might be a good fit for that (though not for much else).

    And of course, anything you can get as a shell/interpreter. irb, python, erlang, etc.

    Another possibility: Xen. Make it possible for people to load whatever they want onto a (temporary) virtual machine image. See if people start writing their own OSes...

    One more, while I'm at it: Core Wars. Allows you to write bots that attack each other.

    Also, depending on the policies you have to work with, check out World of Padman -- Quake 3 engine, GPL'd, violent but comical and gore-free (it's like fighting with super soakers, really). Nothing educational about it, though -- purely entertainment.

    Finally: Throw up a wiki, just because. Let students start to post interesting things they've discovered. The idea is to create a sense of community, not just one teen hacking on their own.

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  63. My 2 year old likes... by stuporglue · · Score: 1

    My 2 year old likes:

    1) Tuxtype -- on easy mode he can type about 1/8th of the letters before they hit the ground. Especially if the letter is W (his favorite).

    2) Tuxpaint -- Loves just drawing different colored lines.

    3) Tuxracer (or one of the forks)

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    1. Re:My 2 year old likes... by thewils · · Score: 1

      Tuxracer? I don't think so. He said "no violence" and I know for sure a lot of fish get it in Tuxracer.

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  64. Re:hahaha by zippthorne · · Score: 1

    More likely is that he knows how to find the commercial software and is running into trouble finding GPL software. And he's wondering if it's because it's just not out there, or if he isn't using the right resources.

    At least, if I were a library worker, I'd be very concerned with keeping on top of ways-to-find-information.

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  65. For astronomy by SlowDancing · · Score: 4, Informative

    Stellarium for star charts and constellations. Windows, Mac, Linux versions. Highly recommended.

  66. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by Daengbo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bender and OpenOffice.org are both formerly closed source programs. OO.o (then StarOffice) was purchased by Sun and released so that they would have a viable alternative to MS Office on their platform, while Blender wwent under and was purchased through donations from the FOSS community.

  67. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by Daengbo · · Score: 1

    While I'm here, the submitter should talk to the guys on the K12OS.org mailing list. They deal with this issue all the time and will probably have the most to say about it.

  68. Just get KDE by ChameleonDave · · Score: 3, Informative

    You don't really need individual suggestions, as most of the decent open-source educational programs out there are part of KDE. The latest version of KDE will hopefully be installable on Windows this year.

    Just install the full package, and you'll have stuff like KLatin and KVerbos for learning languages, as well as star-gazing software, plus KTurtle, KTouch and a load more.

    1. Re:Just get KDE by Psychotria · · Score: 1

      I was going to suggest the same thing. The KDE Education Project. They have some interesting stuff there (working and in the works).

  69. Edutainment - games by Lord+Satri · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's the educative games I suggest.

    http://www.food-force.com/ Made by the U.N. Free, MacOS X or Windows. (sorry no Linux afaik) Probably the best one in my list for the 6-8 years old.

    http://www.tqworld.com/ - Tranquility. After years and years, this game has something no other game offers. Well suited for the youngsters. Free, but not open source.

    http://www.stopdisastersgame.org/ U.N. too. Free and web-based. Excellent. Probably best for 8 years old (older ones of your range). Surprisingly informative.

    http://www.stepmania.com/ Not sure that ones counts as edutainment, but it sure is good for the children! Open source and available for all platforms.

    http://www.openttd.org/ A railroad tycoon open source clone (gosh I'm getting old ;-). Suitable for your oldest ones?

    For the curious ones, here's the other worthy (subjective) open source games I discovered with time. http://del.icio.us/Satri/game+opensource

    1. Re:Edutainment - games by VernonNemitz · · Score: 1

      Here's a Web page that should work under Linux; it can be loaded from a hard disk instead of the Web:
      (javascript "mastermind" program, entirely client-side)

    2. Re:Edutainment - games by Flex+Flint · · Score: 1

      http://www.tqworld.com/ - Tranquility. After years and years, this game has something no other game offers. Well suited for the youngsters. Free, but not open source. It's been some time since I visited them, but there certainly was a time when it wasn't free. I do recall reading stories about people contacting the admins for renewals of subscriptions and getting them free when the question was asked friendly.

  70. Re:hahaha by fermion · · Score: 1

    typical capitalist pig. Trying to force the government to subsidize private enterprise so these firms do not actually have to hire people to innovate new products to compete with cheaper alternatives. Not that I have a problem with the corporate dole, to the contrary, I like the fact that executives become extremely wealthy at the expense of the average taxpayer, I am just mocking evangelicals that love the dole but hate paying taxes.

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  71. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

    The OP also said that stuff for teens is fine as well.

  72. Fish Fillets NG by Cow+Jones · · Score: 1

    Fish Fillets (Next Generation) is a cute and intelligent puzzle game that trains problem solving skills. It's apparently a port of a 1998 game by ALTAR interactive, but the OSS version works just fine. The player interaction is very nicely done - the version I downloaded 18 months ago only had Polish voices, but even so, it was easy to understand and quite addictive. (I just checked, and it seems that the game is now available in 13 languages)

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  73. JUXlala by Cow+Jones · · Score: 1
    I just remembered a project I'd heard about a few months ago: JUXlala is a specialized Linux distribution for kids from 3+ years. It's usually loaded from a live CD, so there won't be any chance to accidentally delete or move important stuff (or you could install it on a dedicated library PC, I guess).

    I'm not entirely sure, but it's possible that this distro is still only available in German. If so, I'm sure you can contact the maintainers and organize a translation of the main content.

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  74. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

    It was modded a troll because certain moderators don't have any clue about what constitutes a troll, and what is funny.

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  75. Why only GPL. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Why do you limit yourself to GPL only. Are you really going to alter source for applications for kids... Probably not. You are better off getting freeware, shareware and arguable gray area of legal of Abandon-ware. As well open if you can use windows the more will be available. Linux is barely making a nudge in the desktop assuming that there will be slew of applications for kids is just crazy thinking, Linux's knitch is really in the Server.

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    1. Re:Why only GPL. by xyphor · · Score: 1

      Ummm, how does "I'm not picky about the license" equate to GPL only?

      Also, he's looking to save money. There are lots of apps/games/"edutainment" for Linux that could save the library money and commercial license hassles, not to mention the "Windows Tax". While there are more titles available for Windows, I wouldn't discount the idea that decent options exist for a free (both kinds) OS. /x

  76. Educational computer games = Christian Rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I once heard someone describe educational computer games as much like christian rock. Both have the same kind of "... not quite" about them.

  77. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

    I put linux on ancient computers for my cousins, who cover the gamut of elementary school ages. By far, their favorite toys are tuxpaint and frozen-bubble. They think globulation2 is great as well, but it's a bit too hard for them.

    I remember loving simcity when I was in elementary school. I believe there is an open source clone of the original somewhere, but it's probably not pretty enough for today's kids.

  78. Tux by Petaris · · Score: 1

    In our school we run these and some othere that are less game like (and for older students).

    Tux Math: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxmath/
    Tux Typeing: http://tuxtype.sourceforge.net/
    Tux Paint: http://www.tuxpaint.org/

    The newbreed software site has a number of programs there. There are actually quite a few educational titles around, I like gtypist for the older students as it is fast, modifiable, and has a lot of lessons. Its curses based though so it will turn some people off if they have a fear of the terminal, also it only runs on Linux, Unix, and OS X via darwin ports or fink (not counting cygwin). You can run it over an ssh session though and could automate that with a script. :)

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  79. My first thoughts by Virtex · · Score: 1
    My first thoughts were these two:

    Of course, having Google Earth is bound to chew up a lot of bandwidth, so use your best judgment.
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  80. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by FeiWang · · Score: 1

    Idea

  81. Shapari by VerdantHue · · Score: 1

    Shapari: http://www.spelunkcomputing.com/ My kids had fun with this when they were younger (6--8) Makes fractals. Windows executable.

  82. Child's play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://childsplay.sourceforge.net/
    My 4 and 2.5 year old children love it.

  83. hackety hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The author of Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby has brought us the edutainment in the form of http://hacketyhack.net/

    This is supposed to help children >= 13
    learn how to program with cartoon characters to teach them. I haven't actually looked at it, but
    I do love most of whytheluckystiff's work and there is a Linux version. I'm not sure if all thous source code is available though.

  84. Childsplay is good too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like ChildsPlay also for my 4-yr old.

  85. Tux4kids - Tux Math, Tux Typing, Tux Paint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am one of the primary developers for Tux, Of Math Command (aka "tuxmath") and Tux Typing. These GPL programs were more or less dormant for a while, but have been actively maintained and enhanced for the last couple of years. They now live at:

    http://www.tux4kids.com (which is really just an alias for our alioth page - http://tux4kids.alioth.debian.org)

    Tuxpaint (http://www.tuxpaint.org) is loosely affiliated, but is more polished and professional, and has its own site.

    These programs have been around for a while, but the newer versions are significantly improved over the versions found in most linux distros, especially Tuxmath.

    All programs are also available for Win32 and MacOSX, and are internationalized to varying degrees.

    The Tux4Kids programs will be further enhanced by 10 Google Summer of Code projects this year.

    David Bruce
    dbruce@tampabay.rr.com

  86. openSUSE Education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.opensuse.org/Education
    http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education:/desktop/openSUSE_10.3/repodata/

    http://funguloids.sourceforge.net/
    http://tomatoes.sourceforge.net/

  87. Books??? by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Keep the games boring so that the kids read some books!

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  88. Most practical lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe that various 4X games, like Master of Orion series, Civilization, etc, should be used to teach schoolchildren the value of resource management and strategic thinking. These skills transcend english grammar, mathematics, artistic expression and even critical thinking - they can be applied to almost all life situations. And it doesn't hurt that the games which have this as their fundamental mechanic are quite enjoyable.

  89. A Toddler Game - A Great GPL Gem! by Yahma · · Score: 1

    My older son (now 4) learned how to use a mouse and the basics of computers from a Toddler Game when he was just two years old. I highly recommend this game for children between 2-4. Although its not 100% finished, enough of the game is there to keep toddlers occupied.

  90. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by CaptDeuce · · Score: 1

    I think small children would have an easier and significantly more fun time playing with a kitchen blender than trying to learn the application.

    I agree. Intact digits are even more overrated than computer software

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  91. Edutainment? by ChilyWily · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yuck! I cringe whenever someone uses that word. Perhaps because lately I feel very much offended that a lot of 'Information' out there is in fact nothing more than a subtle (or increasingly not-so-subtle) attempt at Marketing.

    Please enough already - no more of this Hollywood style, flashy, 'make believe' stuff with specious vocabulary. There is a certain spark in the Human psyche that gets lit whenever a person truly gains comprehension or insight into something they did not know before. Especially with Children, in my humble opinion, what's need is to light that little flame. 'Edutainment' makes it seem like it's a bitter pill that must be sugar coated with oodles of artificial sweeteners to be palatable.

    I say, leave them kids alone. Let them discover the joys of the Earth without the myopic view of Google Earth and look for the Stars in the night sky ... rather than on a computer screen. Teach them well those basics that our ancestors took so long to truly comprehend, preferably with a pencil and paper.

    1. Re:Edutainment? by psmears · · Score: 1

      Hear hear. Not to mention that the word is just downright ugly :-)

  92. SimCity / Micropolis by Danious · · Score: 2, Informative

    The original version of SimCity was recently Open Sourced, more info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropolis_(software) and download. at
    http://www.donhopkins.com/home/micropolis/

  93. GPL Micropolis (SimCity) on Google Code by SimHacker · · Score: 1

    The GPL version of SimCity Classic from Maxis is called "Micropolis", and is available on Google Code.

    There's an old version based on TCL/Tk, which runs on the OLPC, Linux, and also on the Mac with X11.

    And I'm in the process of rewriting it in C++/Python/GTK/Cairo/Pango, which runs on Windows, Mac OS/X and Linux (including the OLPC of course).

    Lots more stuff about it on my web site.

    -Don

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  94. Celestia by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

    it is, for the lack of other word, a "Simulator" that allows you to travel across the Solar System and even farther. Very good educational software.

    http://www.shatters.net/celestia/

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  95. 3D CAD by pipingguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't forget BRL-CAD (open-source 3D solids modeling) which now has been added to Google's Summer of Code program. Not easy to get into or understand, but excellent potential, given its origins (core not written by amateurs).

  96. Red fish by notjim · · Score: 1

    Here is an on-line interactive site my children spent ages playing on: http://www.poissonrouge.com/ Free to use and in english and french.

  97. Current tux4kids site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the current site for tuxmath and tuxtype is
    http://www.tux4kids.com (although we are certainly not commercial - it is just an alias for our Alioth site- http://tux4kids.alioth.debian.org)

    The current versions are way better, especially for tuxmath.

    David Bruce
    (primary programmer and maintainer of tuxmath and tuxtype for las two years)

  98. OpenTTD by oboeaaron · · Score: 1

    http://www.openttd.org/ A railroad tycoon open source clone (gosh I'm getting old ;-). Suitable for your oldest ones?
    Just to be clear, OpenTTD is an open source clone of the Transport Tycoon (not Railroad Tycoon) engine, but to play the game you must provide the data files from the original game yourself; they are not available under an open license. So it's probably not a viable option given the submitter's criteria.
    Also, in my experience the addictive quality of the game has a pronounced negative effect on the player's GPA. Proceed with caution.
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    Journey onward.
  99. Celestia by oboeaaron · · Score: 1

    Also check out Celestia which lets you "travel" through space for up-close views of stars, planets, moons - even spacecraft are included. GPL, Linux, Mac, Windows. My 7 year old daughter loves it, although she needs help with the interface. For that matter, so do I.

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    Journey onward.
  100. bbc for kids by speculatrix · · Score: 1

    the bbc's cbeebies have a number of games, many are lightweight fun games, some have a little learning (reading), and a few are very good. the nice thing is that you could whitelist that web page and be fairly sure there's nothing nasty on that sub URL.

  101. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by jd · · Score: 1
    I don't have any URLs for you, but there ARE a great many programs that work through the LADSPA mechanism for Linux to produce (or distort) sound through patch panels you plug together on the screen. This gives a great introduction to waveforms, how sound works, etc, through practical experiments, although that's probably not the original intent of such programs.

    CFD programs like ChannelFlow graphically show how things like water change course and create all kinds of currents when you add obstructions.

    For more adventuresome kids, there's the Mars Simulation Project. History? There are simulators of many early computers, including those used on the Apollo spacecraft. Keen programmers? Pose this little problem: When should you use these programming languages? MUMPS, D, Tcl/Tk, Forth, Erlang.

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  102. Ramblings by jshackney · · Score: 1

    Too many of the games being recommended are essentially programming trainers. Not every kid wants to learn programming. At least, not consciously. I always loved The Incredible Machine and had hoped a similar offering would appear for Linux someday. However, Phun (mentioned above) looks entertaining enough. Good for some basic physics lessons.

  103. does it have to be GPL? by Toreo+asesino · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't the focus be it being "good" rather than "GPL"? Maybe you can get both in the same criteria, but I'm just surprised the primary objective is that it's GPL - you might find proprietary is the way forward; would that be a road block? Sounds to me like it would be in this scenario.

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  104. 2 Recommendations I didn't see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    1. Celestia - 3D Accelerated Planetarium software

    2. Kiki the Nanobot - Very good (award winning) 3d robot puzzle game

    And finally- Google Earth. Not GPL obviously, but free and a lot of fun for anyone- kids included.

  105. Re:Media production for Linux (And OSX, And Window by Rolgar · · Score: 1
  106. Dr Suess by tonyt3 · · Score: 1

    One of the best programs I've seen for kids who are learning to read or even learning letters is Dr. Seuss's ABC; put out by the Learning Company and Living Books. It is a commercial program but well worth the small price. Each letter has a small story going with it, and many, many animals and events start with that letter when you click on "something." Fun, hilarious, and our 4-5 year old thinks it is as great as I do.

  107. Ri-Li by Derek+Pomery · · Score: 1

    A fun little game where you guide a toy train around a track while your train gets longer in a manner similar to snake.
    Probably that falls into about that age bracket.

    Includes a quiz section on the "Rights of Man"
    I'm not sure if that can be disabled or made an arbitrary quiz module.
    Seems likely, given it is OSS that is it possible at some level.

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  108. Don't forget Alice by forgot_my_nick · · Score: 1

    An interesting looking, cross-platform, 3d-oriented educational programming laguage. Free, source available, but not OSS. http://www.alice.org/

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    Cultist of the Average Middle-Aged Ones
  109. Linux version *is* available - typo in link by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    Never fear, the power of Google is here!

    Looks like these guys have taken up the gauntlet which Loki had to relinquish... I wish them luck. I'd buy from them, but frankly, I'm trying to give up gaming rather than looking for new games...

  110. Re: by clint999 · · Score: 0

    True, although it's hard to say from the summary whether the submitter is actually opposed to commercial software or not. If he is, shame on him for reducing his options... but hopefully he's looking for quality software first, and its free/commercial stat

  111. Apophysis-J and Electric Sheep by spot · · Score: 1

    Try Apophysis-J and Electric Sheep for getting kids into math and evolution through fun imagery.

  112. Thanks for this! by symbolset · · Score: 2, Insightful

    BRL-CAD has languished long enough. This is a great project that could be brought up to date quickly with modern stuff.

    It's good to see it in Google's SOC program.

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    Help stamp out iliturcy.
    1. Re:Thanks for this! by pipingguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      BRL-CAD and Google will probably take it slow. I can't wait to see what it develops into in 2-3 years. The big boys in the CAD market have had their way for far too long - let's see what a few thousand developers can make this into.

      If nothing else, it should light a fire under some asses.

  113. Computer games from the 90's. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can find them, back in the 90's there were a whole bunch of Math Blaster games, you played through the levels doing math and logic problems as you progressed through the story. There were others as well, and they were designed to be games first and teaching programs second.

    And I don't know if someone else has suggested it, but Where in the world is Carmen SanDiego is the greatest game in the world for teaching kids geography while they think they're playing a game. That game is one of the reasons I have a map over my bed to this day.

    Also, Oregon Trail was always fun.

  114. Presumably... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

    Since it's a public library, however, I can't have any software on the computers that is risqué, gory, or violent.

    Presumably you don't have any teen fiction either. That's all innuendo, gore and violence from cover to cover, or else terribly boring.