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Full Body Scanners Installed In 10 US Airports
Lapzilla brings word that airports around the US are beginning to use a new type of body-scanning machine which records pictures of travelers underneath their clothing. The process takes roughly 30 seconds, and the person viewing the pictures is located in a separate room. We've discussed similar scanners in the past. From USAToday:
"[Barry Steinhardt, head of the ACLU technology project] said passengers would be alarmed if they saw the image of their body. 'It all seems very clinical and non-threatening -- you go through this portal and don't have any idea what's at the other end,' he said. Passengers scanned in Baltimore said they did not know what the scanner did and were not told why they were directed into the booth. Magazine-sized signs are posted around the checkpoint explaining the scanners, but passengers said they did not notice them."
Gross.
Second thing:
Wonder if it would be legal to sell a line of rubberized scan-proof lingerie?
"Auntie Mandy's No-Scan Panties: The TSA won't see your va-jay-jay today"
"Bodacious Ta's Rubber Bras: If the TSA wants to see your nipples, make 'em buy you dinner first."
"Mr. Happy's Super Sleeves: Take a 'tripod' through the TSA scanner."
- Greg
Start a happiness pandemic
Government-sponsored voyeurism has reached a new low. Who are we protecting ourselves against again?
I don't fly any longer.
There are other reasons as well, but in a nutshell, the entire process has gone so far downhill I'd rather drive, even all the way across the country.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Silence of the Lambs style human skin suit. A man needs his privacy.
If you didn't come to party don't bother knocking on my door. Prince '1999'
Even worse: They want to see our children naked!
Please will someone (aside from the TSA and pedophiles) please think of the children!
Would the recorded images of people under 18 be considered child porn?
If I have nothing to hide, don't search me
Wouldn't this fall under the auspices of unreasonable search and seizure? It seems to me this manner of search invades personal privacy for no other reason than everyone is a criminal in the eyes of the TSA.
I would hope that this matter gets brought up in SCOTUS
I recently saw signs for this when going through LAX - but the serurity point I wnt through did not have them installed yet.
The sign I read had one line at the bottom that said you could opt/ask not to go through the screening process. It did not say what horrid, annoying or time conuming process was the alternative.
Like so many other times when dealing with law enforcement, simply say "no, I'd rather not."
of our money. Where is the approval process? Who said this was a good thing worth every penny?
That's the wavelength. It uses radio, I'm assuming like ultrasound, except it doesn't penetrate your skin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millimeter_wave
It would be within the range of 57-64 GHz.
...airports around the US are beginning to use a new type of body-scanning machine which records pictures of travelers underneath their clothing. The process takes roughly 30 seconds, and the person viewing the pictures is located in a separate room. So, basically, it's like one of those "private rooms" in a porn shop. Except, the slide show pictures come every thirty seconds and you could get anybody from the hot blonde who is heading to Florida with her friends to...well...this guy (possibly NSFW).Probably the most embarrassing thing that would be revealing some of the locations of body piercings.
Cancer, etc?
What happens if the operator of this machine detects some disease of a passenger? May be cancer in early stage? Or tuberculosis? Should he notify a passenger?
This isn't an X-ray machine, or even a Z-backscatter machine. It's a millimeter wave device. TSA has a web page for the thing. It's not as detailed as a Z-backscatter image.
Here's the product page for the ProVision scanner. It's made by Level 3 Communications.
This thing was first announced last year, so the story is out of date.
http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2008/05/you-asked-for-ityou-got-it-millimeter.html
Because most Americans do not take the time to be informed, let alone think about the implications of various actions (This is likely true worldwide not just with Americans)
Note I am an American
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Because he's running as a Republican, and a lot of them, whatever their initial feelings about the war, don't want to leave Iraq right now, because it looks like we can't finish what we started and/or can't clean up after ourselves.
There are things about Ron Paul that I like quite a lot. But despite the bungling of the war that was the result of meddling and improper planning on the part of Rumsfeld, among others, (we were supposed to learn from Vietnam that wars are never to be micromanaged by politicians), we caused a mess in Iraq, and we need to see it through to its end.
A number of politicians in Iraq -- some of them quite powerful -- are moving in favor of a forced draw-down of US and allied troops, especially as Iraqi forces are doing much better at handling operations, and are suffering fewer desertions, though the rate is still startlingly high. Gen. Petraeus has said that he believes the draw-down will continue after the July pause. It's not going to drop below 100,000 this year, but it very well may do so next year, and it may continue to the point that, aside from a few rapid-reaction forces and air cover (think West Germany in the Cold War, though not quite at that level), the US doesn't maintain much there at all. There's still time to further break things, of course, but I think there's a generally positive path right now.
That's getting a little off-topic. Back on the main point, aside from Iraq, there's no chance at all that Paul would have been able to do most of the things that he wants to do. The IRS isn't going away anytime soon, nor is the Department of Education. He's just not going to get that with a Democratic Congress. He would probably have issues getting strict constructionist judges onto the courts. I have to wonder how effective he would be as president.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
From the article:
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Schear, the Baltimore security director, said only 4% of passengers decline.
"Most passengers don't think it's any big deal," Schear said. "They think it's a piece of security they're willing to do."
Can we all say "baaaa?"
-- If we don't stand up for our rights, now, there will be no right to stand up for them later.
Gotta give those TSA pukes a little thrill. Or maybe I'll go through wearing a wig and a dress. The female screener will REALLY enjoy that. I wonder if anyone ever rubbed one out as the passed through the metal detector?
I'm just trying to make travel more enjoyable for everybody.
Fascism trolls keeping me up every night. When I starts a preachin', he HITS ME WITH HIS REICH!
Illegal wars? Unpopular, yes... illegal no. There is no real body that decides whether a war is illegal or not... beside it would mean France, UK, Germany, and a bunch of other nations are accessories to a crime.
Torture? I've seen worse done to pledges at a fraternity.
Instead of sitting around and griping, organize. The vocal minority has been ruling the US, and the only way a more moderate government will come to power is if the silent majority actually speaks up for a change. The US is ruled by 30% of the population - either the 30% who vote democrat, or the 30% who vote republican. Most people remain silent and just accept the motivations of the voting extremists, until that changes, then the country will continue to be ruled by extremists.
I don't support Ron Paul precisely because I am well-informed about his positions and the policies he advocates.
I have to wonder how effective he would be as president.
On the flipside, he could and probably would veto pretty much any needless expansion of government, funding bills, etc...
Total Stalemate.
On the plus side, in my experience a government that does nothing is doing better than usual.
In the many years I studies physics, there were no particles I knew of that created something called "millimeter waves".
Er, studied physics where?
There's nothing mysterious about millimeter waves. They're from about 30GHz to 300GHz. They're not ionizing radiation, like X-rays. Here's a simple scanning millimeter wave radar system with pictures of the components and images from the system. Note the tiny waveguide and feed horn. It's a radar in miniature. This little unit runs at 35GHz, so it's just barely into the millimeter range.
In the millimeter RF range, it seems to be possible to get up to about 100GHz with off the shelf components using Gunn diodes and GaAs transistors. Above 100GHz is still mostly an area for experimental work. There are people working on "to 100GHz and beyond!. But not much is really working up there yet.
This isn't a backscatter X-ray system. That's a completely different technology.
Ocean liners might be great for transatlantic crossings (well.. they were, anyway, until the queen mary stopped doing that), but your friends will never let you travel that way.
Somehow, you're going to end up drinking drugged milk yet again, and have to cut yourself down from the tree after you wake up.
Can you be Even More Awesome?!
How about the officer watching remotely sits in one of these things so all passengers can look at who is looking at them. I bet they'd get a ton of applications for that job...
Exactly... something about a truck load of veto pens.
But really you hit the nail on the head. The President's job is to uphold the Constitution (read the oath of office sometime). And if legislation passes across his desk that he feels is unconstitutional than it is his duty to veto it.
Since Ron has a better understanding of the Constitution than most people in Washington, he probably would veto almost everything as you have said.
Stale mate, or Congress would go around him. Either way he would be doing his job which we haven't had from a President in decades, maybe even a century or more.
Libertas in infinitum
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At a technical level, yes. You have a recorded image of someone under the age of 18 that depicts sexual acts *or* shows genitals. A legal definition would probably be worded differently, but as I understand it (and guess what, IANAL), it would count.
We don't need an "overrated" so much as we need a "you completely missed the parent's point, dumbass..."
Stalemate presumes that he has the votes in Congress to avoid an override. Congress has shown that when it comes to passing out money to constituents, they will override by a very large margin. He would lose to the court of public opinion if he decided that any spending bill funding things he doesn't like would get vetoed.
His views work for his state, and he's a welcome part of politics to me. He brings up issues that others don't want to talk about. There are people on the left who are the same way in my eyes. It's good to debate these things. But in a government like ours, idealism must sometimes give way to pragmatism.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
While 1000s of Americans are jobless
Unemployment rate of United States: 5.5%
Unemployment rate of Canada: 6.1%
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
This is exactly what they want EVERYONE to think. But the truth of the matter is, no, you DON'T have to go along with it. People need to wake up and stop being a bunch of ignorant sheep in the face of all of this. Refuse the scan, refuse the pat-down, refuse to even fly anymore. Prices are going up and so is the amount of bullshit they make you go through to squeeze yourself into a cramped metal tube with not but a package of stale peanuts as food.
Really, why is all of this crap even necessary? All it does is create more headache for everyone involved. I'm not saying we need NO security, but this is honestly going completely overboard. Metal detectors? Good idea. Keeps people from bringing certain bad things on planes. X-ray luggage? Also good, for reasons stated above. Air marshalls? I'm not keen on the idea of firearms at 35,000 feet, but someone in law enforcement is a good idea if someone gets a bit drunk or stupid. Re-enforced cockpit doors? Should have been done a long time ago. That's just common sense.
Beyond that, I don't really see any of it as more than an excuse to spend vast sums of money. Air travel is still one of the safest (albiet nowhere near the most comfortable these days) ways to travel. The only reason incidents get so much media attention is the number of people killed in one event. Wait a couple hours and the number of deaths on the highway will take the lead once again, however. Bombings went out of style in the 80's, and you can forget about any more hijackings. After 9/11, do you REALY think passengers are going to stand for that sort of crap anymore? Not a chance. We're throwing money at phantoms, here. Attacking air travel is pretty much dead these days, but not because of any new security measures. All the same, I think I'll take my chances on the highway. At least nobody is going to attempt coercing me into a full-body scan and cavity search just to get into my car.
One final aside:
Wasn't the whole mantra several years back one of "We musn't change our way of life, or THEY will have won."? Now look at us. We allow draconian measures to be passed in the name of "security". We freak like children with imaginary boogeymen under our beds when someone even THINKS the word "terrorist." We happily give up privacy because we are sold on the illusion that it's for our own good and it will only effect those who have nothing to hide. We have become completely paranoid and changed the way we do pretty much anything, out of fear that we will get hit again. I'm sorry, but isn't that the very goal of a terrorist act? To have us do EXACTLY what we have done in the past seven years?
Society has become so caught up in going apeshit trying to prevent THEM from winning, that the exact opposite effect seems to have occured. Eight years ago, almost nobody had ever heard of the names being tossed about on the news. Now, it's foremost in everyone's mind. Their goal wasn't to savagely murder thousands of people, that was just the tool they chose to use. No, their real goal was to make themselves known, and us frightened. I hate to say it, but they succeeded.
"So after all this, you make my case for me. To end this stalemate, you must die..."
What assumptions are made for that 11%?
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I'm getting tired of the terrorism arms race. We don't really get anywhere in the end, other than inconveniencing innocent people and wasting tax dollars. What's worse is that it's not even a symmetrical arms race. We re-up our side many times in-between each successively more advanced attack attempt by the enemy.
If I were Al'Queda, do you know what I would do? I would just keep coming up with nifty ways to hide a knife or a bomb that are novel, and send people through airport scanners using these ever-changing techniques and looking suspicious, just to be sure that every one of them are caught anyways. The net result would be that every caught "terrorist" results in the US wasting more money and pissing off more citizens in a futile attempt to improve security against each new method. What easier way to inflict pain on the US is there than that?
New methods that beat the current system are always easy to invent at any given point in time, especially for someone with money and determination on their side. The article says these things can't see through skin or rubber. Like all systems, this new one is fallible too in many ways.
The correct way to combat air terrorism is a 3-pronged approach:
1) Stop pissing people off. I'm *not* a terrorist apologist. Far from it - terrorism is always wrong in my moral book. But you can go a long ways to towards preventing it by not pissing off large groups of angry people to begin with. By this I mean improve our foreign policy.
2) Focus on smart human intervention. There has been some DHS focus lately (I'm not sure how much) on training psychological profilers to patrol airports undercover. This is likely far more effective than anything the TSA screening stations are ever likely to do, and much less susceptible to the arms race problem.
3) Stop trying to turn your own population into sheeple - teach them to be observant, responsible, and empowered. A citizenry which is self-confident and alert is a great watchdog against all kinds of bad events. A citizenry who gets treated like cattle (as in, current TSA practices) act like cattle: they keep their head down, don't observe and react to strange events. They just start assuming the Nanny State must be taking care of things for them, no need to be vigilant.
No one bitches and moans. No one. Americans, at best, grumble and murmur under their breath.
In a nation infamous for its loud and litigious protesters, the silence, the absolute and utter _silence_ on this issue is screaming. Where are the protestors? Where are the acronymed activists groups? Where are the calls to senators and paid for TV ads against these intrusions? Where are the B-list celebrity messages? Where are the class action lawsuits?
Jesus. Even the ambulance chasers have been battered into submission. You're not going to be able to fix this for decades.
May the Maths Be with you!
No, it must be sexual in nature, period. Nude, even "full frontal" photos are allowed (if looked down upon in many regions of the globe). On the other side, very suggestive dancing of young, but fully clothed, girls has been ruled child porn by the courts in America.
See, among other things, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudity#Nudity_and_children and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_Sturges
Wonder what the public key field is for?
What ever happened to freedom from unreasonable search and seizures by governmental bodies (TSA)?
I mean seriously - what has happened - have we slid down the slippery slope, or been boiled to death one degree at a time?
I'm just waiting for a clothing manufacture to come out with millimeter wave blocking clothes or underwear. Need a little metallic weave in the cloth to do the trick.
..........FULL STOP.
Let's take the downward trend of the overall airline experience and extrapolate.
In ten years, this is what it will be like to travel across the country by airplane: Buying the ticket online for $400 or so, plus a $200 security fee tacked on for every flight segment. All fares will be nonrefundable and nontransferable, and being late for your flight means automatic forfeiture of your fare and ticket, as there will no longer be an option to wait "on standby" for another flight. Then you'll show up at the airport, where the first thing that happens is that you're put through one of two processes. Most people will go through a general process, which will be as follows: You get in line at the check-in, where you are questioned as to where you live, where you work, where you're flying, the purpose of your flight, what you're carrying in your luggage and on your person, and why. During this time you will present ID and be photographed and fingerprinted; these will be input into the agent's laptop, which will immediately search through a computer network of known terrorists, known criminals, known fugitives, people who are delinquent on child support payments, people who owe taxes, people who have been arrested in the last five years (even if not charged or convicted), people who are on the sex offender registry, people who haven't showed up to jury duty, people with bad credit, people who didn't register with the Selective Service System, people of other than Mexican origin who are in the country illegally, or people with unpaid parking tickets on their record. A match on one or more of these results in your being taken to a special room for additional questioning, which will mean one of three things: Either you will be denied boarding privileges without a refund of your fare; Or you'll miss your flight because the questioning will take so long, without a refund of your fare; Or, if you're very, very lucky, you might still make your flight, but this will occur less than one percent of the time. If you survived the questioning, you go to the next step, which is to be weighed; at this point, you'll pay a dollar for each pound that you weigh, plus a hundred dollars per checked bag plus a dollar per pound of that checked bag's weight plus fifty dollars for a single carry-on and twenty-five dollars for one personal item, plus a dollar per pound of those items' weight. Then it's time to actually check in and get your boarding pass. Checking in will be free, but to obtain your boarding pass, you'll have to pay a ten dollar printing fee. The routing labels placed on your luggage will cost five dollars each, and tags to put on your bag with your name and address will be a dollar each. Now it's time for security, which happens in several stages. First, you'll bring your checked luggage to the TSA luggage scanner, where they'll pile up bags for flights that are about to take off somewhere on the side while scanning and pushing through the bags going on flights that aren't taking off for another two hours. One out of every ten bags will be chosen randomly and moved to a holding area where it will be held for a month, and then the airport will try and search for the owner, a process that won't succeed very often. Of those bags that are not randomly selected, each bag will be scanned electronically, and following that, each bag will be opened not to perform a physical search, but for the sole purpose of wrinkling up clothing and moving breakable objects such that they'll be more likely to break during transit. Then the bag will be passed on to the baggage handlers, who according to the 2013 Airport Security Passenger Luggage Contents Protection and Loss Prevention Act will be required to produce proof of at least two felony convictions in order to be eligible for the job. The same act will give all baggage handlers the right to take and keep any items they find in luggage which they like. Now that you've handed off your bag (and don't know if you'll ever see it again), it's time for security. You will not be allowed to bring any ge
McCain/Palin '08. Now THAT's hope and change!
That's a very general and over simplistic statement. I know very well what Ron Paul stands for and I disagree with most of what he says. Therefore I did not support his candidacy. Just because people disagree with you, it does not mean they're stupid or ignorant.
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I mean - what's to stop a hijacker from hiding a ceramic knife up his rectum? or C4... this and metal detectors wont find it. Can we expect cavity searches next?
..........FULL STOP.
Regardless of Ron Paul, I stand by my statement. Most people do not consider long term consequences of their actions they merely react instead of act. Most of my experience is with Americans and the British so I constrained my comments to them.
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I personally can't wait until they store the naked body scans on file and use them in conjunction with biometrics. After all, why not? When have government agencies not wanted to collect all kinds of information on us and use them for purposes other than originally intended? And by agreeing to go through the scanner you're consenting to the scan being used for security purposes..
Obviously, he spent many years studying physics 101.
I wonder what happens if you wear RF shielded clothing and go through one of these? Do you get the rubdown treatment like when you don't bring ID? I'll have to place an order to the folks at lessemf.com and try it out next time.
By doing so the boarding procedures will be slower, more people will prefer other ways to travel whenever possible, layoffs in the air travelling industry ... nice.
Looks like a very good advancement.
Maybe Computers will never be as intelligent as Humans.
For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
Can this machine see also swallowed bombs?
Or should we also have an X-ray body scanner?
Maybe Computers will never be as intelligent as Humans.
For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
I can't really judge the matter without a sampling of pictures now can I?
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Anything that makes air travel less appealing and other forms moreso is a positive force in the long run. The rising fuel costs make trains more appealing than cars and the rising PITA factor makes anything more appealing than getting on a airplane in this country.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Maybe a day of protest, where all participating travelers, regardless of body type disrobe completely while standing in the screening line would get some attention to what is going on.
So at an estimated population of 301,139,947 the United States has 16,562,697 unemployed adults. Nineteen out of twenty isn't so good when a job is such a necessity for prosperity.
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To me, the guy who is apparently seriously behind the times, the exciting part is the millimeter-wave radar. Now, how long is it going to be before I can get armor that can tell me what caliber of gun I'm being shot with?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Why did you not also quote the VERY NEXT SENTENCE FTA?
Here peabrain, I'll save you the trouble:
"Passengers scanned in Baltimore said they did not know what the scanner did and were not told why they were directed into the booth.
Magazine-sized signs are posted around the checkpoint explaining the scanners, but passengers said they did not notice them."
Didn't notice all of the signs around the checkpoint....hmmm just like 6 year olds.
"How does a passenger refuse the scan if they're not told what's going on until after the fact, or given the option of refusing the scan??
They (and YOU) can start by pulling your heads out of your rectums and PAY ATTENTION to what's going on around you.
Yeah, I know your type:
'Me!Me!Me!-Gimme!Gimme!Gimme!'
That's what is wrong now:not scanners in airports per se, but idiots like you who DO need a nanny. You have brought the whole deal on all of us.
*sarcasm* Thanks, asshat!
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These measures spread fear, humiliate people, and breed distrust and suspicion. So do the constant "threat level orange" announcements, announcements that you're the eyes and ears of the state, and that you should watch your fellow citizens. People who are afraid and humiliated vote for "strong leaders" that promise to keep them safe, and a general feeling of distrust prevents civic organizations and organized political opposition.
The administration's political consultants and propaganda machine figured this out; in part, that's how Bush got through his mid-term election.
A side benefit to the administration is that all this gadgetry is enormously expensive and allows them to funnel R&D money and lucrative contracts to their friends in industry.
I've been countered with that argument before. It's based on the number of people of working age who are not working. Stay-at-home parents, for example, are unemployed under that thought process.
The government's numbers are based on surveys, and attempt to determine statistically the number of people who are not working more than a certain number of hours and also are actively seeking full employment (you can regularly work a few hours a week -- I forget the exact number -- and still be considered unemployed for the purposes of the survey).
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
...from the terrorists. But I do feel more afraid of the government. In fact, almost... terrified. How ironic. Call me stupid, but I always thought our government was a democracy of and for the people. Which people asked for this, again? I don't recall anyone putting this to vote.
If the American people would prefer to go back to the way things were, regardless of whatever perceived threats there may be, then who is the government to tell us no?
The path to enlightenment is truly through homemade drugs!
No. You need to look at the employment report to understand it. That link goes to whatever is the current version of the report at the time (it's issued monthly), though archives are available.
There's a population of about 300 million people in the country. Many of them are retired or too young to be able to work. Some are infirm, others do not need to work. Others simply aren't looking for work. All of these are not counted in the statistics. Everyone else -- those working and those actively looking for work -- are considered the civilian work force. Of them, 5.5% are not employed. That works out to about 8.4 million people. Of these, about 38% have been unemployed for fewer than five weeks. Another 29% have been unemployed for 5-14 weeks, and the remaining have been unemployed for longer than 14 weeks.
The unemployment rate in the Europe Union is even worse than in Canada, at 7%.
Full employment is reached at about 4% unemployment. Anything lower than that, and inflation starts to set in because it becomes a sellers' market. Employers have to come up with exorbitant salaries to hold onto their workers, and it becomes an arms race among the employers, who then have to raise their own prices to avoid taking financial losses. This happened in the last couple of years under Clinton, when the unemployment rate dropped under 4% and things started to get messy.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
//Why did he receive as few votes as he did?
It was the comments about the aliens, I think...
Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
Another student of physics here. You can make pretty much any frequency of radiation you like by moving electrons at that frequency. The difficult part tends to be how to move them about that fast. :-)
Efficient emission and detection of Submillimeter radiation has not been practical for very long, which may be why you haven't heard of it. It's most often refered to as Terahertz Radiation.
If you want stories of people being purposefully mislead, they outright lie about these things in Heathrow airport, London.
The signs tell people that the machine uses a "very low dose of x-ray radiation". I was picked for a random security check, and given the choice of the scanner or a manual search. The manual thing sounded kind of scary, so I went for the scanner, in the full knowledge that it involves someone looking at my naked body.
Now, because it sounds a bit frightening and was very new then, they were obviously instructed to reassure people about it, so when I insisted on seeing the images, they let me (they showed me the shot from behind, presumably in the hope i wouldn't realise they'd obviously looked at my cock). It was very obviously a Terrahertz-band scanner, but the staff and all the signs stated it was an x-ray machine, because everyone is used to those.
Guess not everyone is a physics student who knows that X-rays are more dangerous than T-rays! I wouldn't have gone in the machine if I hadn't been totally sure that the ionising radiation was a lie.
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Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
Seriously, anyone want to place bets on how long we have before the penis "enlargement" industry starts mentioning this in their spam?
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The girl in the picture seems to like it very much.
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Aah... TSA pedophiles...
God bless them. God bless them all...
It is going to be hilarious when photos snapped from the scanner's screens start leaking out.
Naturally, all the screens will then have to be replaced with brand new anti-photo defense.
Better yet... Why not buy and install a whole new machine instead?
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Ya kno'... mil-meter...
Its tham tiny things they use in that Urp country to measure thangs. Much smaller than inches.
'Mercans are used to inches of waves, which goes to show that tham there mil-meter waves are harmless.
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(# looking but can't find work + # not looking for work) =
(unemployment rate*labor participation rate)+(1-labor participation rate)
based on Apr 2008 numbers
(5.5%*65.8%)+(1-65.8%) = 37.8% working age population not employed
Given your definition the labor participation rate is the key driver when examining the total population. The problem with using that number is the demographic breakdown doesn't necessarily reflect the true nature of what generally is considered the core workforce. It includes non-adults(16-18) who are dependents, and retirees(60+) who no longer need to work.
Yes the unemployment rate does miss the part of the population that has left the labor pool because they couldn't find a job, but that is a small percentage of workers compared to those who choose to not work for other reasons.
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Seen any Star Trek? Federation is a classic socialist utopia.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Anyone else reminded of concentration camps by these photos?
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
I have a silver belt buckle that always sets the darn thing off. Though it isn't at waist height, with me being a short bastard and all.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
The people who claim the election was fake remind me of people at the bar who complain about the refs fixing the game. The 2000 election was so close it was within the error rate of the system.
The real issue IMO is that one of the guys got the seat despite the populace being almost evenly split between the two. Either both or none should've gotten the seat and yes I know that's not supported in the current system.
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
FTA: "You probably could find very common materials that you could wrap around you that would effectively obscure things," Siegel said.
So it's useless? Somebody help me understand...
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Scared much?
These scanners will do nothing to stop airplane hijackings, which is a vastly overblown event in the first place. Far from being "popular with the dissident crowd", hijackings are extremely rare events. You are more likely to be shot in a drive by shooting in the US than be on a plane that is hijacked.
Armored cockpits and air marshals on each flight are a much sounder strategy for handling all incidents that occur in air. Believe it or don't, there are solutions between being a complete slave to the man like yourself and the total anarchist that you incorrectly paint those whom you disagree with as. Only presenting the extremes as possibilities certainly hurts your credibility even further.
If you are that scared and/or want your privacy and rights violated so much, then there is an opportunity for an airline to step up and cater to your needs. For the rest of us, we'd rather live in a sane world with realistic risk assesment. I don't see why we all need to put up with systems that only function to address your personal issues.
I do hope that you volunteer for extra screening every time you go through security. I'd hate to think that you'd pass up the opportunity for a friendly pat down. Worse yet, it'd be a real shame to find out the hard way that you are a terrorist.
Dennis Kucinich objected to these measures too. The good thing about Kucinich is you get all of Ron Pauls concern about civil liberties and opposition to intrusive police state tactics, without is fanatical ideas about cutting off foreign civilian aid and emergency assistance programs, that you know, keeps children here and in other countries from starving to death.
Good one!
So if I prefer [my local] society as a whole to have a greater control over corporate activities - such as mass transit - then I'm a "slave to the man".
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Ha ha.
What does having a marshal and locked cockpit achieve - one definitely dead guy for every hijacking attempt* and (at least) one dead stewardess to convince the pilot to open the cockpit door.
I'm not particular scared incidentally of hijacking. We don't allow the proliferation of small arms over here (UK) so drive by shootings are far less likely here. Getting hit by a car is a problem - that's why I choose to be a "slave to the man" and use pedestrian crossings or (shock!) look both ways before crossing. I know taking precautions against death marks me as a complete sheep but, you know, I quite like being alive. I'm sure you 'stick it to the man' by crossing busy roads at there most dangerous points without looking
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* if he's armed, well either he'll be shot before he has chance to reach his weapon (remember you don't want body checks for concealed weapons) or he'll be beaten to death or shot with his own sidearm.
Everytime some random new inconve^H protection from new threat is added to airport security, that assumes that until now, that threat has been completely open.
So were are the thousands of evil terrorists that up until now used ceramic, ivory or plastic knifes to hijack planes and kill thousand of innocent citizen each day ?
As repeatedly written by other
Every time the population shows signs of scare, every time the government manage to cut away one more peace of personal freedom or privacy, the terrorists have managed to inspire terror and have won.
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Two weeks!
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*BOOM*
I was flying out of Schiphol recently when I realized how nice it was over there. They had bag scanners at every gate. Their security people made pleasant conversation with everybody going through the line. It was like we weren't being packed onto a steel tube by anti-social cretins who couldn't pass fourth grade english.
It was nice.
Later, I flew out of Dulles. They siphon everybody going through the airport into one or two lanes. The screeners do not converse. They screech: "MOVE ALONG, SIR" "TAKE YOUR SHOES OFF!"
Listen, let's not pretend that TSA isn't a complete and total clusterfuck. There's no reason to be screaming at me. The security checkpoints are just bizarre anymore. They change the rules every so often, or don't follow them consistently from one airport to the next, and then act all indignant when I don't know what they want from me before they yell. "TAKE YOUR LAPTOP OUT OF THE BAG, SIR" funny, the TSA says laptops don't have to come out of bags anymore. Maybe that's changed? Maybe you're a mongoloid?
I hate to admit it, but the USA has ballsed it all up. If overly intrusive, endlessly inconvenient searches minimize the threats of terrorism, you'd expect Amsterdam to have all of the terrorists flying through. I can't remember one hijacked flight leaving Schiphol. Not one.
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
I was reading on the TSA site that these things use low level RF frequencies to produce the images. Now if the conspiracy theorists are right, this would go hand in hand with the metaplan to get everyone tagged with RFID chips. When you consider the implications of future mandatory RFID chips and devices like these installed everywhere... that slice of freedom we all like to think we enjoy gets smaller everyday. After reading the article, I would say the government has done a fine job of practically making everyone sheep. When people stop questioning and simple think "these days you have to go with it" then the ruling elite have obtained their goal of pacifying the masses into mindless wage slaves.
Drive, take a train, ride a bike, horse or walk. But when it becomes necessary to do so, so that one may live in the USA, then restrictions on that activity essentially infringe on our rights.
Obviously some lose this right because they are a menace to others (drunk drivers, etc).
As someone else pointed out, the TSA is my problem, since it is a governmental agency.
..........FULL STOP.
Why not have these scanners linked directly to your doctor's surgery? Then you can phone them up, something like this:
"Hello, I'd like to book an appointment with Dr.Hu for next week please."
"No, need, Mr.Zen, you only have two days to live. We got your airport scans."
My web domain.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
The acceptance statisticts they collect suggest that most people prefer to be scanned when the alternative is a stripsearch. What their statistics don't count is how many people choose to travel by other means rather than big aircrafts (there are so many ways to get wherever you want to go: private plane or heli if you have one, rail, bus, private car, or even by walking, and in the near future maybe even by using a private spaceplane if you can afford it). If security theatre and paranoia continues, people will just stop paying for air travel and seek other means to move. We had no airplanes in 500 BCE, 1600 CE, or 1800 CE and yet economy funtioned so well. Unless you are in an emergency, there is rarely a real need to use an airplane, especially if you embrace telecommuting. While I agree that terrorists should be eradicated, I do not think that eroding our freedom-loving culture is the way forward. Except from that, it's also extremely costly: Terrorists surely laugh as our economies burn millions of dollars or euros in an attempt to protect ourselves, while they can do lots of damage to us simply by spending a few hundreds or thousands. Basic economic theory suggests that we need to find cheaper ways to protect our lands, or else we are screwed. Big spending doesn't seem the right way, and I think that if we don't want to risk future terrorist attacks we should invest in decentralisation (it gets harder for the terrorist to attack if there are no big concentrated targets). So, instead of continuing to build huge airports and massive airplanes, start investing in lots of small airstrips all over the rural and urban communities and develop small flexible planes carrying just 10-15 people each, or even flying private cars. If there is mass production of small airstrips and private planes and sufficient demand to support it, the prices will be cheaper than the airfares we pay today, and thanks to decentralisation terrorists won't be a problem for air travel anymore.
What would happen if i just took off all my clothes when I got up to the scanner and put them in that little shitty plastic bin.
Or I write TSA is 'tupidfuckingdouchebags' on my chest in magic marker.
Goddamn, I love how our country as a whole is some of the smartest fucking idiots on the planet.
Anyone else find the picture a little strange? They just happened to be checking an attractive woman, and the guy that appears to be near the monitor seems to be grinning a little to much.
By the way on a side note, from the article: "Some of this stuff seems a little crazy," Reardon said, "but in this day and age, you have to go along with it."
Emily Reardon, you are the kind of douchebag that is making this country a collection of total pussies. You fucking have to go along with it. No one has to go along with anything, you fucking sheep.
As soon as someone decides that this is not for "security", but for prurient interest? My wife notes that attractive women, both younger and up to her age (including her) are far more frequently the ones chosen for "closer inspection".
Remember the boarding scene in Airplane II?
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Im sorry, I know this is like the third time Ive posted on this article, but it makes me so fucking mad. What I dont get, more than anything is why the god damn TSA exists. Hey, WE fucked up and let 9/11 happen.
OMG. Did he just say that? How un-american, what a terrorist.
Fact is people want to kill people. Fact is, the people that are supposed to protect our country, well, some of them fucked up. Whether it was Air Force, Air Traffic Control, the Army, whoever. Someone fucked up, didn't do their job right and let a bunch of innocent people get hurt.
How do we address the situation? Better defense? Maybe, but fuck, why dont we go ahead and harrass the shit out of everyone that flies, some hundreds of thousands of people a day, maybe more, in the event that one of them is a terrorist.
I have an uncle, replaced hip. Carries a medical card stating his hip is metallic. Got back room strip searched when the TSA couldn't find what was making the metal detector go off, despite him showing his card. I have a metal ACL brace, I wore it THROUGH FUCKING JFK. Metal detector goes off, hand wanded. Hand wand goes OFF.
TSA: Whats in your pants sir?
Me: ACL brace *I knock on the brace for effect*
TSA: Go ahead your clear.
IM FUCKING CLEARED?! He let me just cruise onto a plane departing New York City with a HUGE metal object in my pants he didn't inspect. Our harassment and security is up to the scrutiny and discrepancy of HUMAN BEINGS, some of which are total fuck ups and completely illogical.
Someone else said it and I agree. 9/11 happened, will there be more terrorist attacks? Who knows, probably. Will it be with another fucking plane? Probably not and if so, hey how about this. AirForce, Army, do your fucking jobs and keep us safe. And by do your jobs. I mean, yeah, if you have to, shoot down the fucking plane. Its fucked up to say that I know, but, if your are going to save the lifes of a few thousand people for the lives of a hundred or so, its worth it. Purely on numbers of course, which is what we all are.
The TSA is NOT going to keep America safe? Why? Because people can be insane, its their right, well not their RIGHT, but you understand. People are bat-shit crazy. Could someone today, right now, hi jack a plane or at least scare the shit out of everyone in the US.
They could, and they could do it by going on the plane with nothing but a tshirt and jeans, fuck it board shorts and flip flops.
Flight Attendant: Excuse me sir would you like a beverage?
Psycho Fucking Passenger: Yes, ma'am I'd enjoy a Coca-Cola classic, could I have a full can?
FA: Sure. *Gives can*
PFP: Drinks soda, goes to bathroom. *In bathroom rips aluminum can up to create a MORE FUCKING POTENT WEAPON THAN A FUCKING BOX CUTTER.*
Psycho fucking passenger leaves the restroom, grabs the first person hes sees, probably the back of the plane flight attendant, puts make shift knife to throat. Threatens to kill, looks for a child, swaps attendant for child. NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT FUCKING MIND WANTS TO SEE A KID DIE, THATS WHY A CRAZY ASS PERSON COULD USE IT TO GET INTO THE COCK PIT.
PFP: Kid dies, or open up the cabin.
Captain: No way
PFP: *Puts a one inch incision on the kid to show he means business*
Everyone on plane: *FUCKING LOSES IT*
Captain: *opens door* (OK maybe not, but at this point everyone in the US is completely fucking going nuts because it got this far, and TSA "did their jobs" => Imagine the chaos we'll have to deal with the next time we go to the airport)
Just suppose that psycho got into the cockpit. Its the end of january, over a football city, CRASH => the fucking super bowl. Two major major money making franchises destroyed. But you know whats worse than losing all that money or a couple of companies almost collapsing financially because of the WTC? Losing the 30000 attendees of the super bowl. Why? Because they are people, the same people we are treating like shit every time they want to fly somewhere.
We are focusing on the wrong people and the wrong place for securing our country.
Actually, I had the pleasure of going through one of these things at BWI a month or so ago. I will note that they quickly steered children towards the regular metal detector - it seems they might have thought of the same thing.
However, having gone through one of these I will say that I didn't know what it did until I read the info page after going through. Also, it took much longer than a metal detector scan (although not as long as taking my laptop out of its case, that is the worst rule ever).
You seem to have misunderstood what I said.
jo42's number is based on the non-working portion of the population. My number is based on what the BLS uses, which is the number of people looking for work divided by the civilian workforce, which is defined as the number of people working plus the number of people looking for work.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
Only until they were older than 18.
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Decline the scan, then when it comes time for your pat down, gay it up so much that you when in comes time for your pat down, gay it up so much that you make Carson Kressley look like Chuck Norris. Then make a joke about a full body cavity search.
You will be out of there in 3 seconds flat.
I had to go through the Lubbock TX airport. I was wearing a superqueer shirt, and when they pulled me aside, I was like sure honey, but are you gonna buy me dinner first? Blink-blink.... he chuckled nervously at which point I said, well if you want to do a full body cavity search would you mind if I brought BF in here to watch?
...are required to ingest saltpeter with breakfast every morning.
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
But you said "Stay-at-home parents, for example, are unemployed under that thought process," which are workers not actively looking for work. That number is captured in the labor participation rate.
The 5.5% unemployment rate is the number of people in the civilian workforce actively looking for work but are not employed.
If you want to extend it by including those who want a job but aren't searching the unemployment rate is 9% though the majority of those workers aren't looking because of reasons other than being discouraged.
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(remember you don't want body checks for concealed weapons)
Remember that opinion I pretended was yours earlier? Don't forget that you still believe it.
So they create this elaborate machine that violates peoples' privacies in the name of safety, and in the banner article explaining its purpose and future plans, they say that it can't see through plastic or rubber. Oh, what a grand idea! The people who you are actually trying to CATCH now have a way out, and every other Average American airline passenger is subjected to this for what?
Re the door: what about when the pilot has a heart attack (seems to be the most common problem), you just leave him to die
Total stalemate is only good for one election, and Congress still will get some of what they want done, think veto override.
Checkmate, stalemate broken.
Ron Paul would be a lame duck president, until you can replace Congress, you're wasting your time electing a decent person as president. Congress chews up and spits out decent folks.
damaged by dogma
Haven't you seen the old movie "Airplane!" from around 1980? Women passengers on their way to the airport gates walk past a security and a camera. From this angle you can see the male guard watching the monitor -- which shows the woman with no clothes on! Or Total Recall from 1990 (protraying the world nearly a century in the future), anyone entering the subway rail system freely walks past a large X-ray scanner screen, with security observing skeletons walking through. Attempting to bring a gun results in an immediate alarm. Of course, the guy from "A Fish Called Wanda" easily makes it through airport security with a gun..
But you said "Stay-at-home parents, for example, are unemployed under that thought process,"
Yes. Under jo42's thought process. Not mine.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
Dennis mentioned aliens. Ron Paul did not.
Libertas in infinitum
Ron Paul doesn't care about the court of public opinion; he cares about the Constitution. That should be obvious by the way his voting record in Congress.
Libertas in infinitum
Yeah, that's what that creepy doctor told me during my last prostate exam...
I think we've hit the peak and are irreversibly headed towards outright totalitarianism (and I'm not just talking about the US). We've given up our precious freedoms for counterfeit security. The only choices we seem to be left with are fascist totalitarianism or socialist totalitarianism. Frankly, I don't want either one.
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
I have skin covering all the important parts.
...in mid-transition, I find these scanners terrifying. I don't want some 24yo punk in the backroom going What the F*CK when they see my body scan.
But of course, when did the public ever consider us anyway? We trans don't exist, and we have no rights. We are the bottom class among the American caste system.
Camping on quad since 1996.
... you've already paid! Now if they ran you through security before you paid, they might lose some serious business.
Every time you try to stop someone smuggling drugs on a flight the terrorists have won?
To imagine body scanners only purpose is to capture terror activists with political agendas ("terrorists") is nutty. How many random shootings do you guys have in the US? You want gang members to pwn an airline route or the guy from "Falling Down" to decide death on an airliner is the way to go.
Yes people are more likely to die of prostrate cancer than die in a gas explosion, but I still think it's worthwhile to try and prevent gas explosions by having a building code and gas shut-off valves in houses.
Why don't we do something about this? We can email our representatives. We can boycot the terminals that are using this nasty equipment. We can email the TSA with what we think and why. What I don't understand is that we talk to everyone else about how much we don't like what is happening, but then go along with it. If all of us email in exactly what we think, then maybe we can stop this before it really takes hold. If it does take hold, I am willing to find a way to take it to the Supreme Court. I do think all this airline trash is getting way out of hand and is definately against our rights and freedoms as Americans.