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Radiohead Changes Tack, Joins iTunes

Joe Jay Bee writes "The British rock band Radiohead, who previously stated that they wouldn't want to have their music on Apple's iTunes Music Store (and, indeed, were unhappy when their Kid A album was released via the store) have performed something of an about-face; virtually their entire catalog, including singles and their B-Sides, has appeared on the store. The band previously said they only wanted their work sold as complete albums, which Apple refused to go along with; however their tack has apparently changed, and all their songs are available to mix and match, including their most recent work, In Rainbows. The albums are all available in DRM-free AAC format."

176 comments

  1. DRM - Free by elguillelmo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe the fact their songs are available DRM-free has something to do with their changing of mind...

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    1. Re:DRM - Free by spandex_panda · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, I guess its good, they don't have a record label now right? If I hadn't already bought all their cds I might give them some money, but not through itunes, I would get mp3 from tpb, and order some cds from their website. Its the future.

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    2. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Or maybe its the fact that downloading is "greener" than driving to a store and buy the CD, yeah? *hugs-tree*

    3. Re:DRM - Free by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Informative

      Maybe the fact their songs are available DRM-free has something to do with their changing of mind...

      Nope. They made their statement about refusing to sell on Tunes 5 months after Apple had started offering DRM-free downloads for EMI, Radiohead's label. Their spokesman said they objected not to DRM, but to Apple refusing to require customers to buy the whole album at once, whereas Apple requires each song to be available for sale individually as well. The quote from their spokesman was:

      "iTunes insists that all its albums are sold unbundled, but 7 Digital doesn't. Radiohead prefer to have their albums sold complete. The artist has a choice, and if they feel strongly then we respect that."
    4. Re:DRM - Free by stewbacca · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or maybe, as an artist, you want your work exposed to as many people as possible and iTunes is the #1 music distributor in the world.

    5. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "iTunes insists that all its albums are sold unbundled," ... Unless it's a soundtrack.

    6. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Great - now I can get miserable one track at a time rather than having to endure a whole album's worth of self-pitying derivative crap.

    7. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't the lameness filter do bayseian filtering on this crap? This is ridiculous.

    8. Re:DRM - Free by goonerw · · Score: 2, Informative

      whereas Apple requires each song to be available for sale individually as well.

      Bollocks. I've seen quite a few songs on iTMS that are only available as an album bundle. There's a couple on the U218 album, "The Saints Are Coming" is an example.

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    9. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or maybe, they decided they like money more than integrity.

    10. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only read it for the pictures.

    11. Re:DRM - Free by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Probably market pressure made them change their tune. iTunes is now the biggest online source of music sales in the business and sometimes you just can't argue with numbers.

    12. Re:DRM - Free by somersault · · Score: 1

      lol.. someone is bitter about not being able to play any instruments.. or only likes music where guys that have daddy issues shout out all their anger.

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    13. Re:DRM - Free by dintech · · Score: 0

      May I be the first to say "No Surprises" hmm?

    14. Re:DRM - Free by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, you are right. However most are just certain songs you can only get if you buy the whole album. Usuallly all but one of the songs is available as singles, with one or two requiring that you buy the album. What RadioHead wanted was for the whole album to only be available, and no singles at all. It's a different case. Although I would argue for RadioHead. If that's how they want to sell their music, iTunes should let them do it. Apple's head is getting way too big lately.

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    15. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought they were releasing their music for free? Doesn't this make them two faced money grubbing whores?

    16. Re:DRM - Free by dintech · · Score: 1

      Well at least I know you're not Scott Tenorman.

    17. Re:DRM - Free by Slimee · · Score: 1

      I agree with this...what a step back for music...how two faced, to offer your music up free, and then turn your back on it and go crawling back to the big corporations. I've lost considerable respect for Radiohead after this.

    18. Re:DRM - Free by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      That's good... now mebbe they can make them "iTunes free" as well.

      Their app shouldn't be necessary in order to make a sale and their NIH format is not supported by other devices out there. That's why there's the idea of bolting ipods onto devices that really should have no need.

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    19. Re:DRM - Free by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...that's about the dumbest policy I ever heard.

      "Soundtracks" are more likely to be random collections of
      songs from wherever. They're like those albums that are
      meant to be collections of "hits" from a particular
      genre or year.

      Besides the fact that a particular director likes them,
      they have no real connection to each other.

      If it's a genuine "Score" then there's no less reason to
      want to rip out the title theme than there would be to
      extract that hit single from some pop group's album.

      They make compilation/hits albums for those too...

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    20. Re:DRM - Free by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      Their app shouldn't be necessary in order to make a sale and their NIH format is not supported by other devices out there.

      Huh? DRM-free AAC (this is what the Radiohead tracks were released in) is support by nearly every device you can buy today. For the size and bit-rate it's also mostly superior to MP3.

    21. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the little guys, sure, but Radiohead worried about exposure? Mah...

    22. Re:DRM - Free by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 1

      It probably has more to do with the fact that they're officially no longer with their big record label. EMI recently released a "greatest hits" album; something Radiohead has also been vehemently against in the past. Something tells me EMI realized that the band has been too successful on their own to ever come back to a major label, so they might as well just make a buck without having to worry about pissing them off.

      And really, Amnesiac and Kid A are albums greater than the sum of their parts. I'll admit they're not for everyone; but the albums stand better as albums than on the strength of the individual songs. You'd be disappointed buying individual tracks.

    23. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Or maybe its the fact that downloading is "greener" than driving to a store and buy the CD, yeah? *hugs-tree*

      Hehe, only true iff you weren't on your way to the store already or passing by it to/from work or some other engagement.

      Otherwise, ordering via mail is "green", those mail men typically walk door-to-door in the city and their cars are going that way with or without your package. If you're at a superstore already, picking up a CD hasn't affected the environment any more than not picking it up.

      It would be mute to argue about the energy required to run the computer to download as it would probably be on, even if you didn't download the song.

      The real difference is packaging. Which, if you download, then you simply don't have... unless you print out a label, burn a CD, and put it in your own jewel case. At which point, you've pretty much defeated an environmental advantages. And still, those things aren't so much "green" as it's marketed today, as it was in the 80's. It's about wasteful production, the filling of landfills and not just the melting of ice caps due to carbon emissions.

      Which is sadly, the REAL focus and marketing that should be emphasized. All this carbon credit stuff is bullshit. What should be marketed it getting people and companies to understand efficent means. Turning the lights off, water off, turning your WiiConnect24 standby mode off, and preventing as much "waste" of energy and resources as possible. It's a lot harder to do than one thinks (I've not been able to do it constantly myself, bad habits).

    24. Re:DRM - Free by aceofspades1217 · · Score: 1

      Wow this is perhaps one of the weirdest comments I have ever seen (and thats saying something!)

      Please sir do me a favor and get off my internets....

      Go use usenet or something under "misc.news.WTF?!".

    25. Re:DRM - Free by Kibblet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, you are right. However most are just certain songs you can only get if you buy the whole album. Usuallly all but one of the songs is available as singles, with one or two requiring that you buy the album. What RadioHead wanted was for the whole album to only be available, and no singles at all. It's a different case. Although I would argue for RadioHead. If that's how they want to sell their music, iTunes should let them do it. Apple's head is getting way too big lately. Heaven forbid Apple do something for their customers! I prefer to buy what I want, not a whole album. And it has nothing to do with artistic integrity, but pure greed. Take the Napoleon Dynamite soundtrack. There is a song there only available if you get the whole album. It's not like it is the original artist saying "we want these works together as a whole", it must be that no one else wants the crap on that soundtrack and it is the only way to make any money. So kudos to Apple for standing up for their customers. I wish they would do it more often, and unbundle ANY song that requires you buying the whole album.
    26. Re:DRM - Free by aceofspades1217 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or maybe, they decided they like money more than integrity.

      Um so your basically saying that simply by selling their albums on iTunes they have no integrity. After all they did release them in DRM Free format and have never gone after filesharing. Heck radiohead doesn't even have a Music Label and don't have to listen to the RIAA or anyone about P2P.

      If they want to give people th option to buy their music over iTunes...why not. It's not like they can put them on iTunes for free even if they wanted to....So what you want them to stop selling CDs also because you don't think they have integrity simply for selling something.

      Obviously they give people the option of getting it for free on P2P or buying it. If you want to support them buy it if not don't. They aren't saying don't download our music TPB they just turn a blind eye to it. So cmon why must selling something be considered a lack of integrity?

    27. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bwhahahaha

      Wow. That was odd and hilarious

    28. Re:DRM - Free by samkass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, Apple is really getting evil. First they keep prices at $0.99 per track when the music industry wanted to charge 2x to 3x (or more) that much for popular tracks... and now they're allowing customers to buy whatever they want. Without DRM. The horror!

      Remember, Apple's clout is the only thing standing between you and the record labels at this point. Even if you do nothing but buy from Amazon's MP3 store, you're benefiting from Apple iTunes, since the labels would never have given Amazon such a sweet deal if they weren't trying to break Apple's position in the market.

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    29. Re:DRM - Free by Altus · · Score: 3, Interesting



      I get both sides in this. On the one hand you are right that many people would just like to buy a few songs that are on the radio and leave it at that.

      On the artist side though, its like selling the bottom right corner of a painting. Admitedly the Album is a dying artform these days (mostly due to MP3 players and shuffle) but there are still some artists who develop entire albums rather than just a few songs and some filler. These are the sort of thing thats meant to be listened to from start to finish. I can understand not wanting your album chopped up and sold piece by piece if you put that kind of effort into a whole album.

      Still, I see this transition as fairly inevitable. The album has been dying for quite some time and the rise of the MP3 player is going to pretty much end it.

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    30. Re:DRM - Free by leamanc · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, I guess its good, they don't have a record label now right? No, that's not right. While they self-released In Rainbows before putting out a physical release, they are signed to (and the album was physically released on) ATO in the USA, and XL Recordings in the UK/Europe.
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    31. Re:DRM - Free by DonkeyKongJr · · Score: 1

      Great - now I can get miserable one track at a time rather than having to endure a whole album's worth of self-pitying derivative crap.

      Alright, smart guy. Of what exactly is Radiohead derivative? And influences don't count... back up your ridiculous claim.
    32. Re:DRM - Free by bcguitar33 · · Score: 1

      Do you ever do things for free that you charge for at other times? I work on computers for money but sometimes I'll do it free of charge, for friends or family or just because I like to help out. Am I a two-faced money-grubbing whore?

    33. Re:DRM - Free by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Who gets to define a "track"? Maybe their next album should just have one 70 minute track with a dozen or so short pauses within it.

      Anyways, it's kinda silly. Radiohead never seemed to object to getting radio play, which is just one track at a time.

    34. Re:DRM - Free by dmoo · · Score: 1

      'The band previously said they only wanted their work sold as complete albums' - or maybe the fact that they just released their greatest hits album.....

    35. Re:DRM - Free by nieltown · · Score: 1

      I assume it's EMI that's doing this, not Radiohead. Months ago they released a boxed set of all their albums (no bonus material!) without the band's permission, and last week (I think) they released two versions of a best-of comp, also without their permission. Their label owns the rights to their music and can do what they please. Radiohead even commented on the two aforementioned releases, noting that they had nothing to do with it. Do yo' research!

    36. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I await their next album titled: "Indecision."

    37. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless she was organizing a library of radiohead digital downloads, this is offtopic.

    38. Re:DRM - Free by Keeper+Of+Keys · · Score: 1

      Amnesiac and Kid A are albums greater than the sum of their parts. I find I listen to Radiohead's "experimental" stuff a lot more now than OK Computer or The Bends, but I don't agree with you on this. Not all the "mood pieces" work for me; if I wasn't a completist where Radiohead are concerned I would be tempted to cherry-pick the two albums you mentioned. But then I have already listened to Pulk-Pull Revolving Doors enough times to know that I will never come to love it. New listeners should be given the chance to decide for themselves (and isn't that what p2p excels at?)
    39. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because if you don't like Radiohead then one of those things must be true.

      You are an uncultured idiot. Go learn something.

    40. Re:DRM - Free by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      What's next though? just buying the chorus, or the guitar solo? Ringtones have that covered, but how long until you can actually buy them on iTunes. Personally, I love albums, and wish that more artists would produce albums, rather than a bunch of random songs which happen to be on the same disk.

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    41. Re:DRM - Free by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      It's usually the record label that decides.

      "we want 15 tracks within 18 months" they make more money peddling "pieces", and get a lot more air-time since the radio (even if its not exactly that) can play commercials inbetween songs, etc.

      If an artist/band was to declare their sum as a single 70 minute song "with pauses", the record company would simply tell them to name the parts, kinda like classical music, and proceed to sell the parts... and if the artist/band made a solid 70 minute song, the record company would most likely ask them to chop it down, or at least make a "Radio version" thats shorter, or just flatout tell them to come back in 6 months with 15 new tracks, 3 of which must be no longer than 4 minutes. etc.

    42. Re:DRM - Free by pheonix · · Score: 1

      Yes?

    43. Re:DRM - Free by archkittens · · Score: 1

      i believe the term for that is "doing someone a favor" or "just being nice". sadly, some people have lost their ability to differentiate between things you might say about a move which is out of character to a political opponent, and what you'd say to an actual human being. this whole fundamentalist character judgment thing reeks of an election year.

      people will find, at some point, that radiohead are doing the fans a favor here. the number of steps to place a downloaded song from iTunes onto one's ipod is fewer than the number of steps to place a CD ripped song, or a TPB downloaded song on that same ipod. you're paying for the minor convenience, and the certainty that no one will knock on your door about a take-down notice from our beloved music industry association.

    44. Re:DRM - Free by somersault · · Score: 1

      Ooh, I oversimplified the number of options in a joke and must go and learn about the Chinese economy to compensate!

      Yes I have limited knowledge of world cultures, despite having learned quite a lot in my life, and most likely more than someone who thinks that learning something makes you 'cultured'. When it comes to music I have stuff from plenty of cultures, from j-pop to Classical, cheesy 80s pop to remixed Indian bhangra. I can understand someone being pissed off at the amount of 'whining', but claiming that they are tone deaf is bullshit. Occasionally some of their stuff is quite atonal, but since I'm obviously so highly cultured in music, I have learned to appreciate that too. But then contrast that to some of their other songs which have glorious melodies and harmonies and it's obvious the guy was just trolling, bitter or both.

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    45. Re:DRM - Free by amokk · · Score: 1

      Why bother?

      This comment isn't really much worse than the typical slashdot faire. At least I got a chuckle out of it, and seeing you in a huff about it is also relatively amusing.

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    46. Re:DRM - Free by Llywelyn · · Score: 1

      Why should iTunes let them do it?

      iTunes offers a specific set of services to its customers (us). If Radiohead does not like or does not want those services, they are free to sell with someone else who will offer them that option.

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    47. Re:DRM - Free by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The 99 cent thing works both ways. There's probably a lot of artists who would be willing to sell their music for less, if only Apple would allow them.

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    48. Re:DRM - Free by Drive42 · · Score: 1

      Well, sure, why not? The album is a recent and unique phenomenon. After singles came a larger collection of already-released singles (an album of singles). The Beatles first few albums were nothing but a collection of songs. The LP format allowed these collections to occur.

      The preference of a coherent album, I would argue, is something that people adhere to, but seldom practice nowadays. It's always nice to love an album front to back, but, unless you're listening to longer classical compositions or more obscure noise or art albums, an album is still essentially a collection of songs, each of which work on their own as a self-contained work.

      Ever since the CD came about as the preferred method of distributing music, single tracks have dominated music listener's consciousness.

      I agree with you that albums are great. It's wonderful for an artist to have 70-odd minutes to work with, to sequence, and to experiment. However, the idea of the coherent album that cannot be broken up is the exception rather than the rule, and has been since Sgt. Pepper's or whatever landmark you want to start the coherent album with. It's been ages since I've listened to that one front to back. How many times have you heard "Day in the Life" after listening to the whole album versus just listening to that one track?

      Excerpts from songs are fine, too. I don't think anyone really thinks that a excerpted guitar solo or a chorus really represents its own work. I think people choose those because 1. It's a phone ringer, and usually you do not want to wait 2-6 minutes to pick up the phone as you enjoy some Led Zeppelin, and 2. The choice of an excerpt is meant to represent the entire song, possibly to signal what kind of music one prefers.

      With the new method of distribution, songs will be haphazardly released. Compilations will be made that will eschew sequence, leading to an unpleasant mix. But I think that an artist or a group of artists will attempt to maintain control, and will still put out albums (even if they're only best-ofs), in order to get more music out there. Since albums on iTunes are at a discount as opposed to buying track-by-track, I still think that the album is a valid way to present the listener with lesser-known tracks, and will continue to survive in a single-driven market.

      One final thing: An album of singles assembled after the fact can be coherent as an album conceived of as an album. Sgt. Pepper's works, but so does Weezer's Blue Album.

    49. Re:DRM - Free by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Why shouldn't iTunes just let them put it up, and see what happens. If nobody buys it, then they should have it removed. However, they'd probably sell a lot more than a lot of other artists taking up space on the iTunes server. I can understand a store not wanting to stock a particular product, because it doesn't make them any money.

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    50. Re:DRM - Free by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Radiohead are signed to both XL Recordings and TBD Records.

    51. Re:DRM - Free by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      For album distribution. So what? Unless Radiohead start pressing their own CDs and somehow gain access to the album distribution chain, at this point in time, they have *no other choice*.

    52. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should have made all of their songs more than 10 minutes long.

      Really, I'm sure Apple frustrated many of the labels with their singles policy; most symphonic classical albums from Beethoven only have one or two "singles" because of the 10-minute cut-off.

    53. Re:DRM - Free by Jor-Al · · Score: 1

      and their NIH format is not supported by other devices out there. How is AAC a NIH format of Apple? They didn't even have a hand in developing the format on which the ISO standard is based on.
    54. Re:DRM - Free by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Fine then, if an artist wants to release just the album, let Apple collect higher fees to compensate for the hassle and reduced sales... and enforce a lower price point.

      If the full album were $7.99, it wouldn't be so bad. Eight bucks won't kill you, if it's a band you actually like.

      Pop acts can kiss my ass.

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    55. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think, therefore I am an Atheist Denying the possibility of a creating/driving force is as unscientific as blindly worshipping God. How do you reconcile this?
    56. Re:DRM - Free by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Um so your basically saying that simply by selling their albums on iTunes they have no integrity...So cmon why must selling something be considered a lack of integrity? I think the "integrity" question comes about because Radiohead said they would NEVER sell their music on iTunes (or something to that effect) but now are doing so. Maybe "hypocrisy" is a better term for them?
    57. Re:DRM - Free by dreddnott · · Score: 1

      This is the way I felt too, but you have to consider that their new non-EMI album "In Rainbows" has also been made available on iTunes. This could only have been done by the band itself.

      EMI made the rest of Radiohead's back catalogue available on iTunes in response, see this article:

      http://www.ateaseweb.com/2008/06/03/full-radiohead-catalogue-available-on-itunes/

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    58. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whereas Apple requires each song to be available for sale individually as well Then why do I come across some songs that show "Album Only" in the purchase column?
    59. Re:DRM - Free by SiriusStarr · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Atheists (at least most) are scientifically minded, and thus, they don't tend to deny the possibility outright. In the manner of good scientists, they just feel that an overwhelming majority of the evidence presented seems to suggest that there is no god/God/gods. This does not mean that we would be unwilling to change our beliefs if new evidence presented itself. If god/God suddenly appeared in front of an atheist and started performing miracles right and left (and it were fairly clear that this was not an instance of hallucination), that atheist would probably reconsider his views. There is no certainty in science; it's simply about modeling and understanding the world to the best of one's ability with what information you have at the current time.

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    60. Re:DRM - Free by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      There are other reasons to go onto iTunes, although I'm not sure if Radiohead's releases take advantage of it, AAC files can be created from 24-bit, 48khz sources at the same bitrate as those from 16-bit, 44.1khz sources.

    61. Re:DRM - Free by xSauronx · · Score: 1

      you are if you charge *me*, jerk!

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    62. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These two albums are like a pink floyd album.. much better when listened to in their entirety in a less than sober state.

    63. Re:DRM - Free by DrShasta · · Score: 1

      Neither term works. You are confusing integrity with being hard-headed and you are completely misunderstanding the meaning of hypocrisy.

    64. Re:DRM - Free by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Actually, I support them in this move. I was just trying to point out that others have posted the overt lack of integrity by doing something they say they wouldn't do. In any case, as a musician myself, I'm glad they see the light and realize that making money as musicians is 99% public relations and 1% talent. There are probably 50 bands here in Austin, TX that are better than Radiohead that'll never get the breaks because they haven't done the self-promotion thing correctly.

    65. Re:DRM - Free by aceofspades1217 · · Score: 1

      Radiohead produce their own music without any help from a label (recording studio, backup people, ass wipers etc)

      Last time I checked it pretty darn hard to create your own factory :P

      But I think that radio head is quite progressive and that they really aren't trying to douchebags.

      Heck remember when prince sent DMCA letters for a cover of THEIR song. Radiohead called them out and said "tell youtube to put it back up it isn't prince's song to begin with". I think that was pretty cool thing to do. Well...it was really helping prince after all it's not like he was losing any money since it isn't even his song to begin with and he can't sell it. What does he expect? Every single person in the world to go to that one concert so they can see a cover.

    66. Re:DRM - Free by BryanL · · Score: 1

      Why not iTunes? Is iTunes more evil than a record label? I mean this question seriously since they are selling songs in a high quality DRM free format.

    67. Re:DRM - Free by digitrev · · Score: 1

      Why not? If there's a market for it, it could very well come to that. There's no a priori reason to prevent it from happening.

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    68. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it was a Nice Dream.

    69. Re:DRM - Free by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      You just missed a perfect chance to help those bands out. Who can you recommend?

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    70. Re:DRM - Free by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I understand your question, but do you mean which 50 bands in Austin are better than Radiohead? If that's the question, then I'd just say go out any Friday or Saturday night and pick a venue.

    71. Re:DRM - Free by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      I live in San Diego, so it's not so easy to check them out myself. I didn't think it was a confusing question, I'm just curious which bands in Austin you think are the best. I hear it's got a decent scene but aside from that I don't know much about the city.

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    72. Re:DRM - Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RadioHead and Apple should both be free to conduct their business operations as they wish. If RadioHead doesn't like Apple's demands, they are free to sell their music through other online methods, such as releasing their music on their own like they did. I think they of all people are in a position where they can do this and still make money.

      A rough analogy, itunes is like a monopoly, say Comcast. I'm pretty much tied into them for HSI, just like many musicians are tied into itunes for music sales (Especially if they are not well known.) The big difference here though is I will probably never be able to set up my own ISP because of the startup costs and the fact that I am not an established name in the industry. RadioHead on the other hand is established and known. People buying RadioHead's music know who they are and would most likely be able to track down their music easily with google. They are not dependent on the monopoly for a certain service. The only purpose itunes serves for them is to make things a little easier to do.

    73. Re:DRM - Free by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Great - now I can get miserable one track at a time rather than having to endure a whole album's worth of self-pitying derivative crap.

      I know, it's a real pain when the Radiohead secret police come round and force you to buy their songs isn't it?
      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    74. Re:DRM - Free by ilitirit · · Score: 1

      Or maybe, as an artist, you want your work exposed to as many people as possible and iTunes is the #1 music distributor in the world. Is it bigger than The Pirate Bay?
    75. Re:DRM - Free by DansnBear · · Score: 1

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  2. I say... I have my principles! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And Apple said "How much?" And I said "That's a very large check, sir!"

    1. Re:I say... I have my principles! by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 4, Funny

      What!? Outrageous!
      I will never buy a single Apple product in my life. Ever. Just out of principle.

      ps, Apple, please contact me via email.

  3. reason why they only want to sell albums by muftak · · Score: 4, Funny

    Probably due to the fact most radiohead albums only have 1 good song on.

    1. Re:reason why they only want to sell albums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're not being fair. Only a couple of their albums have a good song.

    2. Re:reason why they only want to sell albums by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      'Good song' being defined, it seems, as: 'able to catch the attention of the shortest attention span twitchboys.'

      Unfortunately for the attention-deficit-crippled, the world of sound isn't entirely composed of short shiney-thing jingles.

    3. Re:reason why they only want to sell albums by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Way too fair. They have that one good song.

    4. Re:reason why they only want to sell albums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Good song' being defined, it seems, as: 'able to catch the attention of the shortest attention span twitchboys.'

      Unfortunately for the attention-deficit-crippled, the world of sound isn't entirely composed of short shiney-thing jingles. The only good song Radiohead has done was "Creep". That was a favorite song of mine back when I was in middle school.

      For the record, I mostly listen to industrial and melodic metal.
    5. Re:reason why they only want to sell albums by dprovine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What I don't understand is this: there are already things on iTunes which are listed as "Album Only", so you can't buy just one song but have to get the whole set.

      It seems strange that Apple has that in place and then refuses to let somebody like Radiohead use it. How do they decide?

    6. Re:reason why they only want to sell albums by anilg · · Score: 1
      Luxury! In my days we singers got-together for a raffle, and those who lost had to buy from the winner.

      Thats not how it goes, is it..

      --
      http://dilemma.gulecha.org - My philospohical short film.
    7. Re:reason why they only want to sell albums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Album only is only for tracks longer than 7 minutes and bonus content, not entire albums.

    8. Re:reason why they only want to sell albums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are fools. They are the best band in the world today. Well, maybe not the best but up there anyways.

    9. Re:reason why they only want to sell albums by lsolano · · Score: 0, Troll

      This comment was undoubtedly intended to be funny.
      I think is impossible that someone could think that Radiohead is not one of the best acts ever appeared in music history.
      I understand that someone could not like Radiohead's music. That's ok, just a matter of taste. But, they're great.

    10. Re:reason why they only want to sell albums by Keeper+Of+Keys · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's only settable on a per-artist basis (eg "Various") and EMI - who, let's face it, control most of the catalogue - don't want to set it?

    11. Re:reason why they only want to sell albums by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ha. Most/All groups' albums only have one or a few good songs. I have never seen an albumb that had many/all good tunes.

      --
      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
    12. Re:reason why they only want to sell albums by Von+Helmet · · Score: 1

      Must not... rise... to troll...

    13. Re:reason why they only want to sell albums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, but actually kind of true. I'm a big Radiohead fan, but if you were not a follower of theirs and you asked me to name good singles to download from their last few albums, I'd have a hard time coming up with an answer. They really do work better as a whole, and people looking for a snappy pop single to put on a mix will likely be disappointed anyway.

      That said, it's pretty damn self-indulgent to try to restrict people from buying single tracks. Us hardcore fans will get the whole album anyway, but trying to restrict the market so that people have to buy more than just the song they want seems counterproductive, and it makes them come across like whiny art house snob babies.

    14. Re:reason why they only want to sell albums by You+are+not+listenin · · Score: 1

      Right, they don't write 'songs', they write albums. It's like saying Beethoven's 9th only has one good movement.

  4. Break From EMI by Catchyusername · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think this has more to do with the break from EMI than them warming up to iTunes or the DRM issues.

    1. Re:Break From EMI by spandex_panda · · Score: 1

      It is said that they previously would not let EMI sell their albums song by song, but that they must be sold as an album. They changed their minds with In Rainbows and now with their entire back catalog.

      --
      like phosphorescent desert buttons singing one familiar song
    2. Re:Break From EMI by 117 · · Score: 1

      Having read TFA (I must be new here), the only comment is from EMI - it looks like that EMI were previously going along with the band's wishes to only distribute in album format, but now that they've seen Radiohead release the new album unbundled they've decided that it's fair game to do the same for the old ones, I doubt the band themselves have had any say in it at all.

  5. Well... by __aardcx5948 · · Score: 1

    If this makes them more money in the end, I don't see a problem with it. But still, who buys files!? Get the physical thing, man, otherwise it's not worth it IMO.

    1. Re:Well... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      While your opinion is, well, your opinion, I'm sure there are thousands of us on here that will answer your question of "who buys files" with, "I do". I haven't bought a CD in probably 8 years or so, thanks to "files". Now lets just hope digital video moves in the same direction. I'm tired of devoting half a book shelf to stupid shiny discs.

    2. Re:Well... by Kevin72594 · · Score: 1

      What do you think your buying when you buy a cd? Files on a physical medium are still just files.

    3. Re:Well... by David+Gerard · · Score: 1

      I buy a CD, rip it to the household server and then put the CD in a box, never to emerge again, until I'm looking for CDs for a car trip (hire cars never seem to have a CD player that plays MP3s) upon which I tend to grab a random handful.

      --
      http://rocknerd.co.uk
    4. Re:Well... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      A whole book shelf... you poor thing you.

      A whole book shelf can hold at least 400 DVDs and as many music Albums.

      The problem with "files" is that you never own anything physical that
      serves as some sort of confirmation that you own anything. If someone
      disputes you it's pretty much your word against theirs.

      A media server (which will take up more than a book shelf's worth of
      space) is certainly the bee's kness but it's still not a substitute
      for having some way of confirming legal posession.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    5. Re:Well... by __aardcx5948 · · Score: 1

      That is true, but I do get a case, booklet and the CD itself, which for me is important. Not worth the USD34 though, which is the average price of a new CD over here.

    6. Re:Well... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      A half book shelf... I don't need a plastic cd case to know I own something either. I'm pretty sure you are a dying breed of people who prefer physical media, which is fine--just stop acting like it is so weird for anyone to actually download a song (or two thousand) when it appears most people prefer that now.

    7. Re:Well... by afidel · · Score: 1

      Amazon watermarks their tracks with your purchase number so if the record labels ever dispute I own the file they can do their own discovery and ask Amazon, on the other hand if I rip a cd and lose the physical disk I am screwed when it comes to proof of ownership. Therefore purchasing physical media is the poorer option. Not only that but with physical media you will come across DRM'd disks that will attempt to stop you from ripping them, while these attempts are futile they will require an investment in time. There's also the instant gratification and reduced cost both because albums in mp3 format cost an average of $8 on Amazon but also from not having to burn fuel to get the disk.

      --
      There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
    8. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, purchasing either is the poor choice.

      Virtually all music that is available for sale is also available for free download on this thing called the internet. No one but a fool would pay money for recorded music that is available for free elsewhere. If you purchase music, you are therefore a fool.

      If you're interested in supporting the musician's work, see a concert. Don't support the record labels.

    9. Re:Well... by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 1

      "A media server (which will take up more than a book shelf's worth of space)"

      Huh? What, are you running one of those IBM T-Rexes or something? My media server takes up less space than all of the CDs I took out of their cases, ripped, and put in one of those CD Albums. Heck, your "media server" could be a USB hard drive that takes up as much space as a half-dozen CDs.

      Your point about it being good to have the CDs around is one I agree with, but not because of proof of legal possession. With CDs, you don't have to make backups, plus liner notes are cool to have. I like to read the band's notes, credits, etc. You can learn a lot from those. The digital booklets you get from some albums on iTunes are ok, but not quite the same.

      I agree with you and another poster that it's nice to buy something tangible as opposed to...well, files. If the album contains mostly all good songs, I'll gladly buy the CD (and if you know where to look, you can find new CDs cheaper than the downloads.) Trouble is, how many bands these days put out entire CDs worth of good songs? Only a few I can think of. Which is one reason why iTunes is such a good thing.

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      blah blah blah
    10. Re:Well... by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      "...stupid shiny discs"

      Thats probably like 20% of the enjoyement though, you buy the CD, take it home, unwrap it, and pick through its liner like a crack-addict through the carpet.

      If its a "worthy" album, you display it for all to see, "I like that"... suppose you were a bit late for records too werent you? which was even more mystical, cause you had to take more care of them, like they were pets or something.

      Personally, if I had enough CD's, i'd line an entire room with them... "The Music Room"... fuckin A...

    11. Re:Well... by Drive42 · · Score: 1

      I don't know. Maybe I'm one of the dying breed, but I still think a bookshelf of music (or books) looks aesthetically pleasing. It's vain, but knowing that I have a copy of the first pressing of Minor Threat's first album on vinyl is something that's just tactile and satisfying.

      Same with books. I can get Les Miserables for free from numerous sources online, as well as all the ancient Greek philosophy I want, but it's so nice to have a beat-up paperback that I can pull out and scribble on. It's the detritus. It's unnecessary, but pleasing as hell.

    12. Re:Well... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      I agree on the books. Another gripe of mine with CD jewel cases is that they really don't display much when stacked in a shelf. All the (mostly) broken and yellowed plastic just looks tacky. Mine actually sit in boxes now days anyways.

    13. Re:Well... by stewbacca · · Score: 1
      Actually, no I'm not too late for albums. I prefer them to the sad sad "liner" notes that CDs generally offer (especially modern-day..mostly worthless PR pieces with modeling-agency quality photography...whoopdy doo!).

      My gripe with CDs is that it is an outdated medium, yet we treat it like the holy-grail that it was in 1984. I've no problem with CD quality, as some of my LP-snooty friends do, just the poor quality and poor longevity of the medium on which they are sold. With iTunes tunes, I can make my own CDs, and when the scratch, break, become lost, stop playing for whatever reason, I just burn another one (even though I have to admit, I've had CD-burners on my computers standard for over 10 years now, but rarely actually burn anything.

      I do like the concept of "displaying" the jewel case of the album I'm playing, but Apple's Front Row software hooked up to my 50" plasma has taken over that role.

    14. Re:Well... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      on the other hand if I rip a cd and lose the physical disk I am screwed when it comes to proof of ownership. Ah yes, I've been asked to prove ownership of my music collection so many times in my life. Seriously, what?
    15. Re:Well... by afidel · · Score: 1

      When you get a false summons from the MAFIAA you can tell em to go take a hike and provide them with a list of the order number of all of your mp3's. Or haven't you noticed the hundreds of lawsuits filed by these folks, often against 10 year old or grandmothers who have never heard of a p2p app.

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      There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
    16. Re:Well... by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1
      On the one hand, I agree with you. I quite enjoy the tactile feeling of "having" a DVD, CD, or book. But now that I've dumped my entire media library up to Amazon's S3, and can get to it from anywhere (music, some movies I really dig, and some ebooks for my Kindle), I've decided convenience rules the day.

      Note: I travel frequently, and may not be home for weeks at a time, therefore my solution fits my situation. YMMV.

    17. Re:Well... by Omestes · · Score: 1

      A media server (which will take up more than a book shelf's worth of
      space) is certainly the bee's kness but it's still not a substitute
      for having some way of confirming legal posession.


      My "media server" is a MacMini, a monitor, and a key board and mouse (tucked away), and is holding god knows how many albums, movies, and can access tons of streaming content. It syncs flawlessly with my TV, stereo, and iPod. I never have to shuffle disks, sit around pondering what I might feel like listening to (shuffle by album). Much more convenient than that large folder of CDs I keep in the closet.

      As for proof of ownership... I never really cared. Doesn't seem that big a priority to me. I'm guessing Amazon and Apple might have some records of my purchases, and I do have 200 CDs in the aforementioned folder. I really doubt the question will ever come up, since I don't engage in piracy, or frequent areas where it happens.

      But then again there is no way to know if most of the things I own are stolen or not. I don't keep receipts for everything in my house, and the mere possession of an object doesn't mean it is legal.

      --
      A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
    18. Re:Well... by Drive42 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, my discs are all in a few boxes somewhere. I ended up using a couple cd folders instead somewhere down the line. It's funny. I still have all my cds and cases, they just sit there, in my closet, in the exact same order as the last day I've listened to a cd, the day after I ripped everything. Since then, I've invested highly in my mp3 collection, and it far more than doubles my previous size.

      But it's still kinda nice to know that your music is in the closet and safe. Unfortunately, in my case, I don't think I'll really be into hardcore or pop punkish stuff again. Oh well. I'll show my kids my copy of In Utero with the Sam Goody "New Releases" price tag on it someday.

    19. Re:Well... by gtx · · Score: 1

      Eh, the difference between a CD-ROM full of 44.1k/16 bit WAVs and a CD-R with redbook audio is little more than headers on the files. The difference between physical packaging and a pdf file is that 5 years from now I will probably still have the pdf file, and it won't be shoved in a box in my closet.

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      "I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
  6. Pick and choose by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess they finally realized that consumers can and will "pick and choose" regardless, so they might as make some money in the process. It doesn't exactly take a genius to figure that one out.

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    Better known as 318230.
    1. Re:Pick and choose by prelelat · · Score: 1

      It was most likely not radio heads decision at all, and they were probably pissed off by the release by their ex-lable. I do recall hearing on the radio a few weeks ago that they were upset that their old lable had released a best of album halmarking their time at EMI.

      EMI probably made the deal with Apple not Radio Head.

  7. The reason why by EEDAm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Radiohead finished their term with EMI Parlophone who originally signed them. In the usual way, their ex-record label are now pushing out as much as they can to cash in - 'Best of Radiohead' just having been released for instance. I suspect this is the cause. Mind you after the crap rip-quality of the In Rainbows interweb release and the volte face of the cd release following, I have less sympathy than I once would have done despite the quality of the work.

    1. Re:The reason why by slim · · Score: 1

      How was the In Rainbows CD a volte-face?

      I remember clearly that when the downloads became available, I decided to wait for the CD (because I'm old fashioned and like things I can touch) -- so they must have made it clear that there would be one. I did buy the CD and I was very pleased with it.

    2. Re:The reason why by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 1

      Mind you after the crap rip-quality of the In Rainbows interweb release and the volte face of the cd release following, I have less sympathy than I once would have done despite the quality of the work. I think you were perhaps misinformed. It was always clear that an eventual CD release was to come, even if the precise when and how were initially uncertain. For example, see this Pitchfork news item from Oct 1, 9 full days before the online release. But I do agree with your other point, they really should have provided a better quality rip for those who took the plunge.
    3. Re:The reason why by Keeper+Of+Keys · · Score: 1

      It wasn't clear at first there would be a regular CD release, just the super-duper box thing.

    4. Re:The reason why by Von+Helmet · · Score: 1

      The track listing of that Best Of album is pretty abominable really... There's no ebb or flow to it at all. It's clearly the work of a label with no interest in the band.

  8. Radiohead is customer-savvy by freedom_india · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of sticking its head in sand like Metallica did, Radiohead is showing surprising maturity and acute understanding of what a customer wants: Go to the Customer, instead of sitting on your arse and expecting them to come to you.
    Perception is all-important in Marketing and Radiohead is taking Apple lessons.
    By direct-download of their albums (free and paid) they proved DownloadMusic!=crime.
    Second once they realized people mix and match their music (just like i mod my computer table and computer), they allowed it instead of sending RIAA goons after them. After all, Alienware does not raid my home, if i chose to decorate my PC with Yuletide spirit. Apple does not care if i laser-engrave my iPod. So should music be: If i mix-and-match their tunes with mine, i should be free.
    RIAA believes otherwise. Paying customers think otherwise.
    Who pays for Radiohead's food? Customers and not RIAA. So Radiohead did the sensible thing and listened to customers.
    By releasing their tunes DRM-Free in iTunes they hit the likeness factor a lot: iPod users now have direct-download to iPod; which is 90% market share of MP3 players (Zune; you Turd, you really have no chance). The DRM-free enables users to mix and match.

    Its a pity that Radiohead's music is not country/hip-hop

    --
    "Doing what i can, with what i have." ~ Burt Gummer
    1. Re:Radiohead is customer-savvy by EEDAm · · Score: 1

      "Its a pity that Radiohead's music is not country/hip-hop" Yeah, it'd be a load frikkin better if Radiohead were like Oxford's equivalent of Kid Rock *8)

    2. Re:Radiohead is customer-savvy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Alienware does not raid my home, if i chose to decorate my PC with Yuletide spirit.

      No, but the fashion police are going to have a field day.

    3. Re:Radiohead is customer-savvy by Marwood · · Score: 0

      Country you say? Yee ha!

    4. Re:Radiohead is customer-savvy by somersault · · Score: 1

      wow, that's surprisingly good :)

      --
      which is totally what she said
    5. Re:Radiohead is customer-savvy by c · · Score: 2, Funny

      > [a whole pile of stuff which makes perfect sense] ... then ...
      > Its a pity that Radiohead's music is not country/hip-hop

      At this point, the reader builds a mental image of Radiohead performing a country/hip-hop fusion. The Elder Gods claim another victim.

      c.

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      Log in or piss off.
    6. Re:Radiohead is customer-savvy by Capitalist+Piggy · · Score: 1

      once they realized people mix and match their music

      Holy crap, that is Insightful? Being a child of the 80s, myself and pretty much everyone I knew used dual-cassette decks to copy our favorite tracks over to these things we called "mix tapes". It's been known for many, many years that people prefer to be able to pick and choose what they want to listen to and not be stuck with an entire album when they only want to listen to one or two tracks.

      The mere suggestion they were somehow unaware of this makes it sound like they lived in the back of some deep cave and were only exposed to people who like music, have mp3 players, cassette decks, cd burners when they occasionally play a show. It is quite obvious they were trying to pull some shit with your wallet.

      Also, what is this about Metallica? They signed with iTunes in 2006 and somehow their head is in the sand when Radiohead is just coming around now. I think both bands leave a lot to be desired, but I don't think it's a good comparison.
    7. Re:Radiohead is customer-savvy by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

      Radiohead is showing surprising maturity and acute understanding of what a customer wants: Go to the Customer, instead of sitting on your arse and expecting them to come to you. Have you been to Metallica's website lately? You can listen to many of their songs, and watch their videos on their website. Also, i wouldn't consider Radiohead "savvy", I'd say they are realizing that if they want to make money of their music, they need to charge for it.

      C'mon Radiohead show the industry that you can make millions by having people 'name their price'. I'm sure this works for all companies. I'll call up Ferrari and suggest they start allowing us to name our price.
    8. Re:Radiohead is customer-savvy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By direct-download of their albums (free and paid) they proved DownloadMusic!=crime.

      this was an issue with whom?

      yet another idiot ranting on about the riaa where his rant is baseless. come on, moron, back up your supposed 'the riaa doesn't like this and that' with some links instead of making crap up. drm-free has nothing to do with mix and match and the cheap shot at microsoft just goes to show the camp you come from.

      secretly inside you're probably appauled that someone makes money from a copy of something instead of performing the song for you personally for the 99 cents that you won't pay anyway.

      oh well, you're just a suck anyway.

    9. Re:Radiohead is customer-savvy by freedom_india · · Score: 1

      yeahhh... i have this tendency to put my foot in my mouth and don't know when to stop.

      --
      "Doing what i can, with what i have." ~ Burt Gummer
  9. I'm shocked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, well. Slashdot Poster Boys go for the $. I'm shocked.

  10. This is EMI's decision, not Radiohead by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This was a decision made by EMI, as they still own the rights to the Radiohead Catalogue. In the same vein, they're attempting to make even more money off of the success of Radiohead by selling "The Best of Radiohead," which, as far as I know, is not approved by the band themselves.

    Please do not take this as Radiohead's decision, when it's clearly that of their (former) label.

    1. Re:This is EMI's decision, not Radiohead by freedom_india · · Score: 1

      EMI?? It is the artist who owns the copyright. Not the Label.
      If what you say were the case, Britney would be soccer-mom with 3 kids, and Ashlee simpson would be a waitress in a Del Hugos bar.
      Radiohead/artist decides to move to a distribution medium. The label had CD rights: Not digital. Which is why labels are trying to shoot for 360 degree contracts; and why artists avoid it.
      EMI has vinyl, cassette, CD and DVD rights. Radiohead owns live and all other rights not gifted to EMI.

      --
      "Doing what i can, with what i have." ~ Burt Gummer
    2. Re:This is EMI's decision, not Radiohead by SimonGhent · · Score: 1

      This was a decision made by EMI


      That's not correct as this deal includes the new album "In Rainbows" which was released post-EMI
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      simon
    3. Re:This is EMI's decision, not Radiohead by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 1

      "Britney would be soccer-mom with 3 kids"

      Ha! She'd be watching Judge Judy in a single-wide somewhere in tornado alley with five kids from six different fathers, drawing SSI (and flies) and smoking a carton of camels a day.

      Soccer mom! As if!

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      blah blah blah
  11. No full discography though by J_DarkElf · · Score: 1

    When I first saw the announcement they had finally joined the ITMS, I was hoping for a full discography deal like U2 did a while back. Unfortunately this is not the case -- each album has to be purchased individually, and there are absolutely no extras.

    I don't see the added value in this. For almost the same cost I can just buy whatever albums I do not already have on CD (thanks to the ridiculously cheap dollar), and rip in a far higher quality than ITMS offers.

    Itunes is only worth it when there are extras, like bonus songs or interviews. Or at least a discount!

    1. Re:No full discography though by afidel · · Score: 1

      in a far higher quality than ITMS offers.

      Unless you are doing a lossless format that's probably not true, ITMS on non-DRM'd tracks is AAC at 256kbit, that's imperceptible from the source for 99.99% of people and tracks, heck even mp3 at that bitrate is imperceptible in most situations (my old collection is ripped at ~220kbit VBR with LAME at -extreme settings which is shown to be fine in double blind testing.)

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  12. Nude Garageband stem sales by theurge14 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm curious as to how much money they generated from the sales they made of the Nude Remix contest via iTunes and Garageband. This may have been the band and/or the label testing the waters.

    1. Re:Nude Garageband stem sales by Alioth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's a pity that this missed the deadline for the remix contest:

      http://www.vimeo.com/1109226?pg=embed&sec=1109226

      It's possibly one of the most awesome covers I've ever seen.

  13. Have some sympathy. by Jacques+Chester · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, what with the price of oil these days, even rockstars are feeling the pinch.

    Do you have any idea how much it costs to fill up the tank on a Ferrari?

    --

    Classical Liberalism: All your base are belong to you.

    1. Re:Have some sympathy. by Blimey85 · · Score: 1

      Mine was $180 last week for half a tank, but I'm using fuel I buy at the airport, not the standard crap you most likely put in your engine. I doubt it makes me go any faster but ya never know.

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      How is it that one careless match can start a forest fire, but it takes a whole box to start a campfire?
    2. Re:Have some sympathy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for that

    3. Re:Have some sympathy. by effigiate · · Score: 1

      Actually you'll find Radiohead to be one of the "greener" major bands around. They've even refused to fly to NYC to do a live song for Conan O'Brien because of the pollution of airplane fuel and they noted it publicly on the show.

  14. Not everyone is a completist.... by argent · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Itunes is only worth it when there are extras, like bonus songs or interviews. Or at least a discount!

    Not everyone is a completist. If I find a song I like, I'll buy it on iTunes. If I like an artist enough after a while to go ahead and buy an album, I'll buy it on CD. Sometimes I'll buy an album on iTunes if there's enough tracks that the $10 album price makes sense, but usually I just buy a couple of songs.

  15. How to split music by manwal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Providing individual tracks from a CD is just one way to present a musical work. Music in itself is sound, not tracks. There is music recorded today that doesn't conform to the idea that each song is a single musical entity, and splitting these works does more good than bad from an artistical point of view, or at least some artists'.

    Anyhow, for the same reasons that providing music in these smaller parts is a good thing (which I believe it is), one could easily argue that even smaller parts of the music should be available for buying. What if I'm only interested in measures two to four of the second bridge? It might sound crazy, but as a musician I sometimes meet this exact problem when transcribing songs from memory. Why should I have to buy the whole song when I just want four seconds of it?

    1. Re:How to split music by maxume · · Score: 1

      You don't have to buy the whole song. I mean, if you want those 4 seconds you do, but there isn't anything forcing you to buy the song.

      By prepackaging the song into chunks that most people find useful, the band is able to lower their average transaction costs. This is much like a grocery store that won't sell you 1 stick of butter out of a package of 4. Basically, they care less about exactly what you want than they care about their own convenience.

      It doesn't hold as true for something like digital music, because the store server could slice and dice as needed, but the store and band would end up needing to track the rights for each part of the song much more closely (why should the singer sacrifice his royalties to the second guitar who is not audible during the portion you want to purchase...or the guy who fixed up some of the words in a different part of the song).

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    2. Re:How to split music by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      In a free market this is normally self-regulating. You can buy those little 2-inch packs of butter, but that doesn't fit the habits of 99% of the population, who prefer to buy the 10 oz blocks.
      But if someone wants to just buy one song, why shouldn't they? Especially when it's no extra expense to them.

      When artist start wanting to dictate how people should listen to their music, they're getting too big-headed. If people only want to buy one song, it's pretty clear that they've failed to do what they want to have made.

    3. Re:How to split music by maxume · · Score: 1

      The ridiculous part of the grand parent post isn't the purchasing of 1 song, it is the purchasing of 4 seconds of audio from 1 song.

      Selling songs 1 at a time is perfectly reasonable. Whining that you (not you, the gp) can't purchase 4 seconds of audio is ridiculous.

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      Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
    4. Re:How to split music by manwal · · Score: 1

      It wasn't meant as whining, I was just pushing the same reasoning further. I'll try to be more clear: if selling one song at a time but not just part of it of it is perfectly reasonable, then selling one album but not individual songs is perfectly reasonable. How music should sound or be divided isn't described in the Philips CD spec.

      Many people I know hardly ever listens to more than the first two minutes of any song. Being the elitist I am, I understand why when I listen to their music, but it's still perfectly reasonable they should be able to buy just those two minutes at a lower price. I'm not very familiar with iTunes' pricing though, so that may be beside the point.

  16. Money talks by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm sure that when apple drove a dump truck full of money up to radiohead-quarters, all of a sudden selling a few albums here and there at indy record stores started to look kinda dumb.

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  17. Nothing to do with EMI by mrsmiggs · · Score: 2, Informative

    (apart from they'll make money on some of songs) It includes their latest album In Rainbows which was physically distributed on XL Recordings. Perhaps EMI have maintained the digital distribution rights to the latest album, since Radiohead are freelance and all but it's clearly the decision of the artist not the label.

  18. "The" Copyright? Umm... there are TWO copyrights. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is one for "Music and Lyrics" and one for "Performance". 99 times out of 100, the music label negotiates for ownership of the latter.

    Britney may own the song "Oops I did it again", but her label owns the "master tape".

  19. Yay, junk! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Why buy more physical junk that you're going to rip and then toss into a storage room? I don't know about you but I'd prefer to have my files stored in large quantities on DVDs or hard drives (on a server) in a nice handy format (MP3/OGG for music, DivX for video) that I can move around, back up and share quickly and easily across multiple devices.

    Buying files saves me the trouble of ripping...my only complaint is that sometimes you can't get the quality rip you want.

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    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  20. Radiohead Already Free On Imeem by illectro · · Score: 1

    A couple of weeks ago they released their 'Best Of' album for free on imeem, well technically it's ad supported, so they get some cash from this page. But essentially you can listen to the whole album online at their page on imeem, you can't actually download it, it streams via the flash player and every downloader I've tried doesn't work (even though they frequently say that they do.....)

    1. Re:Radiohead Already Free On Imeem by effigiate · · Score: 1

      You can always just record it thorough your sound card. I do this a lot to get ring tons from TV shows on Youtube. I'm not sure how it would work in Linux, but I don't doubt that it is possible.

  21. Trivia Question - "B-sides" by AppleTwoGuru · · Score: 1

    Any you kiddies know what a 'B-side' is?

    1. Re:Trivia Question - "B-sides" by SimonGhent · · Score: 1

      Any you kiddies know what a 'B-side' is?


      The interior of a hive?
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      simon
  22. Album Artwork by chriscrowley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since I already own all of Radiohead's CDs (I'm a huge fan) and have them ripped to iTunes, I'm happy that iTunes should now retrieve all their album artwork. I never even knew that Radiohead wasn't available in the iTunes store until recently when I noticed all of their songs on my iPod were missing the album artwork.

  23. KidA individual songs available at Amazon also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I just bought "Optimistic" from Amazon, DRM free.
    Apparently the album only policy has also fallen at Amazon, not just ITS.
    -Jay

  24. How about "changes tune" by Slimee · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't that have made for a more comical and term related joke? Radiohead Changes Tune... Or am I alone?

  25. Porn is not lame by Drive42 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Um. Set your preferences to hide anything with a score of -1 and you're all set. It's like MAGIC!

    Unless, you know, you like to read about well-lubed ass sex. Then, by all means, go for it.

  26. I don't get this... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Okay, maybe it's the "whole catalog" thing that makes this news - but I bought "In Rainbows", in DRM-free AAC format, from the iTunes Music Store several months ago. So it's not like Radiohead wasn't on iTunes, then *POOF* now it is.

    On a side-note: I think Apple's DRM terms are more or less reasonable, at least compared to most others; but ever sense "iTunes Plus" became available I've stopped buying DRM'ed music from the store. I know the labels are watching iTunes and Amazon, so I figure any little bit I can do to demonstrate my preference for DRM-free music is a good thing.

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  27. We have a winner! by dreddnott · · Score: 3, Interesting

    http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2210259,00.html

    Read about the ongoing feud between Radiohead and their former big label here.

    I'd bet that the summary article is incorrect and the band itself did not directly approve of the iTunes move.

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    I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.
  28. A New Music Business Model by politicsapocalypse · · Score: 1

    As time passes since the innovative release of their album on the net, Radiohead has again and again proven that they are not really thinking outside the box. We musicians no longer need record companies or corporations such as Apple. I just recently released an album Politics Apocalypse available free to download at our website. It is licensed with the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Licence, which even lets you use it freely for commercial projects (so long as you give credit). We are also doing a name your own price CD (starting at cost price). Access to a membersâ(TM) area with new music rewards donations, orders and creative feedback. Check it out and spread the word. We donâ(TM)t need iTunes. All download and donation statistics at the website http://www.politicsapocalypse.com/

  29. Sellout by raddan · · Score: 1

    I hate that word. What idiot tagged them sellouts? I don't even like Radiohead, but come on-- if you're a professional musician, you sell your music by definition. Labeling someone a 'sellout' for doing precisely that is to completely miss the point of being a musician. You may love someone's music, and you may feel some sense of ownership over it, but get real: it's their music. Maybe they're sick of bumming around in a van in order to add a little quality to your life.

  30. they were already on emusic.com by paulbd · · Score: 1

    "In Rainbows" and perhaps other Radiohead albums have been (and continue to be) available from emusic.com, for up to 50% less than the iTunes price, DRM-free, lifetime-replaceable. so basically, like, meh.

  31. hold on a second by dreddnott · · Score: 1

    I'd like to half-correct myself now that I see that the "In Rainbows" album, which is not part of the EMI-owned back catalogue, is also available for unbundled digital download. Without being able to do more research (lacking iTunes for one thing), it seems that what's happened is that EMI's now doing the same for all of their older albums. Sort of in the same vein as the greatest hits compilation and the $160 flash drive 'deal'.

    http://www.tuaw.com/2008/01/03/radiohead-on-itunes-yup/ --- This happened for In Rainbows back in January
    http://www.ateaseweb.com/2008/06/03/full-radiohead-catalogue-available-on-itunes/ --- for the rest of the albums this June, with accompanying EMI representative commentary

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    I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.
  32. ruckus... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    along with this, their entire catalog (except "in rainbows") has been released on the free music service Ruckus for college students. Ruckus has een advertising the availability.

    perhaps they are making a push to make their music more available through more than one service.

    btw, ruckus is full of DRM, have to use their own player and licenses must renew every 30 days.

  33. what happened to the brave new world? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i thought the next big business model for musicians was to put the works out for free and hope that people put enough quarters in your overturned cap while on tour to make the production costs back and still have food, rent and gas money?

    what happened? is this a sign that even with a big name, a fairly large fanbase and tons of free media that it's not working?

    so much for all the slashdotters who thumbed their noses at big business and donated dollars even if they weren't radiohead fans. so much for trying to push a model into prosperity to make some half-assed political statement. so much for all those music thieves who claim that touring alone can keep an artist afloat.

    you fail it.

  34. Easy solution by CountryJustice · · Score: 1

    If Radiohead wants to only sell their music only in an album format, why not sell the whole album as a single mp3/aac? Oh, that's right, because it'd still only cost 99 cents. Money talks...

  35. Radiohead singles = redundant hell of redundancy by robbie604604 · · Score: 1

    As a big fan of b-sides and alternate tracks, I have not personally come across any major band that is as ridiculously frustrating when it comes to singles as Radiohead. Radiohead typically releases three or four CD singles for the same album song (US/UK/AUS), and those CD singles generally have different additional tracks. To get all the miscellaneous tracks, you would have to buy as many as three or four CD singles for each song released as a "single" off the album. This has prevented me from obtaining many b-side songs that I'd honestly love to hear.

    Here's an example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_and_Dry

    So based on that one fact alone, the move to iTunes will be much better for serious fans and collectors because now they can simply buy the extra missing tracks ala cart.