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Disgruntled Engineer Hijacks San Francisco's Computer System

ceswiedler writes "A disgruntled software engineer has hijacked San Francisco's new multimillion-dollar municipal computer system. When the Department of Technology tried to fire him, he disabled all administrative passwords other than his own. He was taken into custody but has so far refused to provide the password, and the department has yet to regain admin access on their own. They're worried that he or an associate might be able to destroy hundreds of thousands of sensitive documents, including emails, payroll information, and law enforcement documents."

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  1. Backups? by anonieuweling · · Score: 5, Funny

    With backups no data will be lost. Oh, those are encrypted?

    1. Re:Backups? by shbazjinkens · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or they could just unplug it? Lost productivity is better than lost data here, I'll bet.

    2. Re:Backups? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't understand how it's possible to be locked out of a system that you have direct local access to. You should at least be able to pop in a livecd and edit /etc/password from a livecd. If you need to decrypt stuff might as well start cracking the hash.. they certainly have the computing power to do it o_O

    3. Re:Backups? by dk90406 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Assuming it is Windows or Linux. It might run on some other (e.g. special hardware or mainframe) or/and have en encrypted HDD.

    4. Re:Backups? by cboscari · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are you sure it's a UNIX variant? I assumed it was big iron, and I am not sure those have cd-rom drive. What's more, if he choose a REALLY good password, brute force decrypt might take a *long* time...

    5. Re:Backups? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Pretty much all Unix systems are hackable with local access.

      I'm guessing either the entire file system is encrypted, or the problem is getting into an application that's running under the OS. Most times the OS isn't the final gakekeeper in high security; the application itself may run everything encrypted, and may very well have no easy way to restore access if a password is lost.

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    6. Re:Backups? by azrider · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't understand how it's possible to be locked out of a system that you have direct local access to. You should at least be able to pop in a livecd and edit /etc/password from a livecd.

      That gets you into the operating system. Once you are there, what do you do? SQL databases can/should use passwords.
      Web servers can/should use passwords.
      Payroll systems MUST use passwords, with all data encrypted.
      The above (and others) are where the problem lies, and no single user reboot will fix this.

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    7. Re:Backups? by omnichad · · Score: 4, Funny

      I hear the University of Illinois is building a computer to help crack it!

    8. Re:Backups? by uncledrax · · Score: 5, Insightful

      (windows systems too.. I mean it is a muni we're talking about..)

      But yes.. physical access to a device trumps all. It's probably something like they only have -one- guy that knows what he's doing.. and he just went from being fired to Fed-pound-you-Penn

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    9. Re:Backups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'll put good money on him cracking before this article gets 200 comments.

      We're at 204. Pay up.

    10. Re:Backups? by TheLink · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Unless you know fully what he has done, you should not continue using it and assume that everything is working properly and will continue to work properly.

      Typically corrupted data is worse than destroyed data.

      At least when the data is gone, the problem is a lot more obvious.

      Imagine if the payrolls have been tampered with (payroll files are mentioned in the article) rather than destroyed. And the law (and other) documents have had the word "not" randomly removed in 0.5% of the occurrences ;), and a few numbers changed by a few percent.

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    11. Re:Backups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You download audio files containing pornographic content?

      This is disturbing.

    12. Re:Backups? by TheLink · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The only problem is if encryption was used AND he hasn't left an open session somewhere which you can somehow get access to.

      If the data is not encrypted it doesn't matter if the SQL DB uses passwords or not. Same for the webserver and other stuff.

      I've patched programs stored in a DB without knowing the DB admin password, just by hexediting the DB files. Didn't have to wait for the vendor's developers in the USA to get back to us ;).

      As long as you have read access to the unencrypted data you have enough access - even if it means changing the drives and reloading the data.

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    13. Re:Backups? by The+FNP · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To any Stephenson fan, this sounds remarkably like certain points from The Big U.

      As the avid reader will remember, fighting the Worm in an attempt to save the data was a losing proposition, a total wipe and reload was necessary to be sure of what software was actually there.

      --The FNP

    14. Re:Backups? by spydum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For what it's worth, the guy is a network engineer, I'm assuming these are switches and routers. You don't boot them off a CD. Resetting the password on some of these devices is made possible only by resetting the config. If nobody kept proper config backups, you would have a hard time reconfiguring the device from scratch.

    15. Re:Backups? by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Productivity? By a government agency?

      This is not about productivity, it is about control.

    16. Re:Backups? by wild_quinine · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'll put good money on him cracking before this article gets 200 comments.

      We're at 204. Pay up.

      Alright, it's in an untraceable paypal account. Obviously I'm not handing over the password.

    17. Re:Backups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unfortunately, he said he would put "good money" on it and all he has is US Dollars.

    18. Re:Backups? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've patched programs stored in a DB without knowing the DB admin password, just by hexediting the DB files.

      Worst. Idea. Ever.

      You should be ashamed of yourself, not proud.

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    19. Re:Backups? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is a damn good reason not to piss off the people who actually know how the technology works.

      All government policy wonks should take note of the inevitable reaction to stupidity.

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    20. Re:Backups? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But yes.. physical access to a device trumps all. It's probably something like they only have -one- guy that knows what he's doing.. and he just went from being fired to Fed-pound-you-Penn

      Very likely correct- in which case I say, given the number of KNOWLEDGEABLE people who are out of work right now, the politicians get what they deserve for their stupidity.

      This is the reason why you need leaders who know more than the people they are leading. Or at the very least, leaders who know not to kill the golden goose.

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    21. Re:Backups? by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 4, Informative

      Pretty much all Unix systems are hackable with local access.

      Unless you are inept, which, given that this is a government system, could be a plausible explanation here.

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    22. Re:Backups? by Venik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You boot from CD, mount the /etc partition, edit the passwd/shadow file, then reboot normally. Or you pop the boot drive out and connect it to another system, mount the /etc and so on.

    23. Re:Backups? by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shhhhhh!

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    24. Re:Backups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Imagine if the payrolls have been tampered with (payroll files are mentioned in the article) rather than destroyed. And the law (and other) documents have had the word "not" randomly removed in 0.5% of the occurrences ;), and a few numbers changed by a few percent.

      Yeah. I heard that the new blood alcohol limit in San Fran is 3.08%. What's up with that??!?!

    25. Re:Backups? by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it just means you got lucky. Plenty of bad ideas work, that doesn't mean they're the best idea.

    26. Re:Backups? by hazem · · Score: 2, Informative

      What's more, if he choose a REALLY good password, brute force decrypt might take a *long* time...

      Most of the password circumventions I've seen for windows don't actually crack the password but let you overwrite it with a new one. It's not so great for undetected access but it's just fine for taking control of a system that has been locked up by a disgruntled employee.

      I worked at a school district once where an art teacher got canned due to budget cuts. Before she left, she changed the passwords to a bunch of computers she managed to get for the school district on a special grant. I have to admit, I felt bad as I removed the passwords using a linux password breaking floppy, but the computers did belong to the school.

      Big iron is another story - but that's where your maintenance contracts should allow for the vendors to come in and undo the damage. There must be a way to connect its OS drive to another computer and make changes to whatever password/shadow files are there to allow for access once it's booted up again.

    27. Re:Backups? by tinkerghost · · Score: 2, Informative

      Crap, and all this time I've been mounting the drive & chrooting into it to make sure all the shadow files & log files update correctly.

    28. Re:Backups? by HuguesT · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are being disingenuous at best. Are your roads in order, is the traffic calm and orderly? Do you have electricity in your home? Are you being raided by armed bandits? what about clean water, can you drink the water coming out of your faucet? What about the mail, is it being delivered?

      Need I go on? You are suggesting local, state and federal government do nothing.

    29. Re:Backups? by AshtangiMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry, but I'm not. I read the first part as a joke and the second as the truth (ie, this is not about productivity, it is about control . . .). One persons funny is another persons flaimbait I guess.

    30. Re:Backups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He's either an authentic genius or a certified whacko.

      And its usually hard to tell the difference.

    31. Re:Backups? by jddj · · Score: 3, Funny

      he just went from being fired to Fed-pound-you-Penn

      Where he'll doubtless learn what it's like to be gruntled

    32. Re:Backups? by goofyspouse · · Score: 3, Funny

      They are significantly better than Zimbabwe Dollars at the moment...

    33. Re:Backups? by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You should be ashamed of yourself, not proud.

      Oh, boo hoo. I've made a binary patch to an executable we no longer had the compiler for and it worked fine. If you know what you're doing, it's perfectly safe. Thankfully in my case I just had to zero terminate a string early.

      Modifying blobs in a database is only a problem if they're indexed. My guess is that no one would be foolish enough to build an index over a field full of executable code, much less figure out a way to use it.

    34. Re:Backups? by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Funny

      >You are being disingenuous at best. Are your roads in order, is the traffic calm and orderly? Do you have electricity in your home? Are you being raided by armed bandits? what about clean water, can you drink the water coming out of your faucet? What about the mail, is it being delivered?

      Are you saying if he gives up the password the potholes will be fixed, the traffic will flow, the mail will be on time and the water from the tap won't stink anymore?

    35. Re:Backups? by Faylone · · Score: 2, Funny

      WAIT A MINUTE! You mean it CAN be unchecked?!

    36. Re:Backups? by Z34107 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The roads where I live have ridiculous potholes - there's still an 8" deep one from when my parents moved into their current house 20-odd years ago. We get our electricity from a private (although admittedly regulated) utility. My neighbor's car was broken into last night, and a nearby town's water is unbreakable because of an E. Coli contamination.

      But, I did get some mail yesterday! Is it the government that pre-approves me for all these amazing credit offers...?

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    37. Re:Backups? by celle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Are your roads in order, is the traffic calm and orderly? Do you have electricity in your home? Are you being raided by armed bandits? what about clean water, can you drink the water coming out of your faucet? What about the mail, is it being delivered?"

      I drive very little on the death traps I have for roads as I have a bicycle and a horse. Thanks to gas prices there is very little traffic anyway. As for electricity I generate my own and what little I get from outside I pay for. Armed bandits?? They lost and haven't had problems since. I have a well and water collection system and distill what I drink. The only mail I get is the odd bill and other garbage. I won't get into the waste of paying for other peoples brats to go to school/babysitter.

      If you compare the level of taxes paid to the services received you'll find many of us, you know the public, are ripped off. I'm not saying government does nothing, just very damn little that's meaningful versus the money spent. They do plenty if you're talking about going in circles as slowly as possible. Just look our current troubles and you can see how well our tax dollars have been and are being spent.

    38. Re:Backups? by darkpixel2k · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You are being disingenuous at best. Are your roads in order, is the traffic calm and orderly?

      Nope. It's always backed up and the roads have lots of bumps and a few potholes.

      Do you have electricity in your home?

      Yes, at outrageous rates to California's energy policies.

      Are you being raided by armed bandits?

      No, but I don't need a police force for that. Just a gun. Except the SF doesn't want you to be able to have a gun.

      what about clean water, can you drink the water coming out of your faucet?

      I can't really comment on the water in SF--but if the city wasn't providing it, I'm sure the people could figure *something* out. And their solution would probably be cheaper.

      What about the mail, is it being delivered?

      FedEx, and UPS both courier mail across town and across the country. You can even pay bike messengers to deliver stuff.

      You know--it's really amazing just how many solutions there are that don't end with "we need the government to do X"

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    39. Re:Backups? by Crayon+Kid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unless you know fully what he has done, you should not continue using it and assume that everything is working properly and will continue to work properly.

      That's theory. In practice, you're talking power grid or water or mass transit or traffic lights or other very very essential things for a big city.

      If YOU were on the spot to take such a decision, would you REALLY want to shut those down?

      If so, can you give an estimate for how much time? You can't, 'cause you don't know what he's done to the thing. So, if it at least appears to be working well and you have no proof to say otherwise, would you really go ahead and pull the plug just for the sake of the theory, or wait some more, see how it goes? Maybe he'll cave in, actually he's quite likely to cave at some point and make a deal if he's not gone completely nuts.

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    40. Re:Backups? by jonbryce · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Are your roads in order - no

      is the traffic calm and orderly - no

      Do you have electricity in your home - yes, but it is provided by a private company, not the government

      what about clean water, can you drink the water coming out of your faucet - sometimes. Again, it is provided by a private company, not the government

      What about the mail, is it being delivered - sometimes, when I moan enough.

    41. Re:Backups? by stmfreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are being disingenuous at worst. At best, you are ignoring copious known truths and years of data:

      • Does the concrete on the roads sit still? Mostly, yes. Do we pay way too much for this service? Definitely.
      • Do we have electricity? Yes, except when they turn it off because they failed to plan for peak usage.
      • Are we being raided by armed bandits? Perhaps not today, but due to increases in no-knock warrants, I risk my life and livelihood if I shoot back at intruders since they might be police raiding the wrong house. Not to mention the copious web of gun-laws outlawing particular makes, models and carrying capacities.
      • Do we have running water? Yes, but we've been asked to cut back 19% and accept that rates will rise to cover the revenue short-fall (EBMUD 2008 Drought). Is it clean? Probably, but we filter out the bromide, chlorine and other crap anyway because you never know.
      • What about the mail? Are you kidding me? They don't even have a service agreement. Priority mail doesn't mean what you think it means. About the only thing I can depend on getting is junk. I make a point of ordering and shipping everything through FedEx and UPS for many reasons.

      Need I go on? Or do you want some time to think up other areas of our lives where government has gone meddling with a promise of making things more reliable, fair, affordable and predictable?

      There is a reason why I call Dominos for a pizza and not my local government. Government is an institution that protects the lazy employee and rewards those that never leave. The incentives are aligned with stagnation and waste. It is no wonder that we never see anything innovative, efficient and useful from our governments. The above poster wasn't claiming that government doesn't do anything, I believe the claim is that government doesn't do anything useful or efficient.

      You have to create an environment of competition to weed out the crappy service. Roads, water, power, security are all examples where competition has been eradicated and government monopoly stagnates.

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    42. Re:Backups? by sjames · · Score: 2, Informative

      Binary patching is not by any means preferred, but if the source was MIA it might have been the only option available.

    43. Re:Backups? by SL+Baur · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pretty much all Unix systems are hackable with local access.

      Any system is hackable with local access.

      This is an amazing situation. First:

      Childs, according to payroll records, earned $126,735 in base pay in 2007 and additional premium pay of $22,534, for a total of $149,269. Vinson said the extra money was apparently compensation for being on-call as a trouble-shooter.

      That's good pay, especially since he apparently lives in Pittsburg. Second:

      Childs has worked for the city for about five years. One official with knowledge of the case said he had been disciplined on the job in recent months for poor performance and that his supervisors had tried to fire him.

      What on earth constitutes "poor performance" in an IT department in the government that it is too clueless to be able to bottle him up when they are considering firing him?

      I have lots of questions about this case ...

    44. Re:Backups? by dan14807 · · Score: 3, Informative

      That sort of attitude is incredibly unprofessional. This software engineer may have been wronged, but nothing can justify his actions here.

    45. Re:Backups? by NuclearDog · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Demonstratably false and demonstratably silly.

      I will present, for your perusal, two cases:

      My Laptop: Uses TrueCrypt whole disk encryption. Upon boot, the MBR asks for a password. Give it anything but the correct password and it wont boot. Put the drive in another computer, it wont boot. Mount the drive from a LiveCD, it'll look like a stream of randomness. Take the drive down to someone with an electron microscope and have them look at the platters... it'll look like randomness. There is no bypass. There is no way to boot that will allow you to reset this password.

      Simply put, you cannot access the data on the hard-drive without the password or the ability to brute force a lot of pretty serious encryption. Your assertion is false.

      My File Server: In many cases, it's not just booting the OS itself and access the drives that is the difficulty - you also need the ability to access some of the data and applications once the OS is booted.

      My fileserver contains a 20GB file initialized to random data and encrypted with a key (A). There is a USB drive in the computer that is fully encrypted with another key (B). Key A is placed on the USB drive, which requires key B to access. Key B is stored offsite on a server in another country encrypted with symmetric algorithm. Every day at a specific time, the offsite server places another layer of encryption on key B by generating a random key. It notifies my file server of this key, which then stores it. The offsite server does not store this key.

      When my fileserver wishes to mount the encrypted file, it requests the encrypted key (B) from the offsite server, and then decryptes it with the locally stored key to it. Once it has key B decrypted (all done in RAM), it mounts the flash drive, uses the key on the flash drive to mount the encrypted file then clears all keys from memory and dismounts the flash drive.

      So, the net effect is that in order to get access to the encrypted file, the USB key must be plugged into the computer, and the file server must have a full list of keys for the remote server. If my file server goes offline or changes address or anything for one day, the partition becomes virtually inaccessible to all involved (I have a backup key hidden.)

      In either case, there's no way to get at SHIT without already having access or some really fucking powerful computers to brute force it all.

      Cheers,
      Adam

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    46. Re:Backups? by anotherslashfan · · Score: 2, Informative

      From what I have read, the "lock-out" was limited to Cisco networking equipment. If that's not correct please disregard the next 4 lines. If my info is correct, I'm quite surprised that the remainder of the S.F. technical staff could not recover their own Cisco equipment. I know a number of technical staff at our "little ole local government" (at 1/3 of that salary) who would have been able to regain access to the Cisco network devices ON THEIR OWN and would not have needed help from the outside (Cisco). (I read where they said S.F. is getting help from Cisco on the lock-out problem.) In regards to in-efficencies in gov, from my "local government perspective" (employed for 10+ years), there is plenty of "bloat" but a number of different areas within the same org that also run "lean and mean". (I consider my area lean and mean.) When budgeting comes up, the "lean and mean" are still asked to find ways to cut their budget. This is because ALL areas are asked to cut by the SAME percentage without consideration as to who's "bloated" and who isn't. Cutting everyone by a flat amount is supposed to be an attempt at being "fair" to all. Instead it discourages efficiency/resourcefullness (you're gonna have to cut anyway) and encourages/hides inefficiencies (you might as well add "bloat" to your budget so you can absorb the cut and still operate). It's not a good situation to be in.

    47. Re:Backups? by cromar · · Score: 2, Informative

      If the government abolished public schools and the taxes that go along with them, I would have about $200 more per month

      I'm calling BS on that. If you are paying $400 a month in taxes, it seems reasonable that you don't have the money to send your child to a decent private school or tutor anyway. (By all means send them off to be indoctrinated at your local church school, though. See how that works out for them.)

      We are spending so much more on defense than education. Get your facts straight (assuming you live in the US).

      public school ... faced with a teacher trying to dumb down the coursework for the biggest retard in the class

      Not this fallacy again :( It sure doesn't help that we are taking away funding from the worst schools, either.

      english, religious history, and the 'home economics' ... geek stuff like programming, and basic electronics, along with political science.

      What about history, geography, chemistry, physics, physical exercise, creative arts, music, social skills, etc?

      we both hate higher-level math

      You hate it? That certainly speaks well for both of you and your ideas about education.

      Dumping more money into our schools won't solve the problem.

      Yeah. And taking money away from them won't either.

  2. This is why... by Gallenod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...you disable his account *before* you tell him he's fired.

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    1. Re:This is why... by Televiper2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was just about the say the same thing. You also escort them directly out of the building and let them pick up their personal things a week later.

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    2. Re:This is why... by damburger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is holding his possessions captive in such a way legal? Its certainly arseholey.

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    3. Re:This is why... by zr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      fedex it. nothing at workplace is private from employer.

    4. Re:This is why... by martin-boundary · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah, they should just reboot the system. That always works, I've seen it countless times in movies.

    5. Re:This is why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except a lot of times someone is fired they know that's it's coming. It's possible this guy had set this all up in the case he got fired, and then we he saw it was going to happen he put it into motion. Article even says they tried to fire him before and he created his super password as a security device to keep his job. Now I'm sure the real irony here is that if this guy probably actually did his job instead of all this mess he probably wouldn't have been fired. I mean, this is a guy that's going to be looking at pretty serious jail time, and probably a severe restriction on his rights when he gets out. I like my job, but not enough to do something that's going to land me in the pokey.

    6. Re:This is why... by Fozzyuw · · Score: 4, Informative

      Private as in privacy, no. But private as in private property? Yes. If they don't allow someone to gather their things before they leave they could be looking at serious legal troubles.

      No, it's pretty common practice. They can directly escort you out of the building without your personal property and they have a reasonable amount of time to gather up your stuff and get it back to you.

      Things like car keys, wallet, jacket, briefcase, etc. yes. They'll escort you to your desk to pick those up. But gathering your pictures, books, etc. Nope. They'll do it for you or have you come back at a later date.

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    7. Re:This is why... by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can never really take away access once somebody has it at that level in a large and complex system.

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    8. Re:This is why... by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...no need to hold the passowrd holder out the window by his ankles 'til he squeals.

      Yeah, but it's fun!

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    9. Re:This is why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My employer doesn't fire anyone... they just lay them off, with some amount of severance. That way the person has money and can get EI (Employment Insurance - we're in Canada and like to make unemployment seem nicer than it is), and is less likely to try to sue the company for wrongful dismissal or tell everyone about the shady things the company does.

      The employee is usually taken to one of the front meeting rooms under the pretense of an "important staff meeting". As soon as they leave their desk, someone swoops in and piles everything not owned by the company into a box, and takes it to reception. The employee gets their dismissal meeting from their direct boss with someone from HR present, and then they're taken to reception, given their box of stuff, and told to GTFO.

      Network Operations gets the call to reset the ex-employee's password so they can't get in through the VPN (have to keep their account so someone can answer their email, etc), and work goes on.

      The last thing the ex-employee gets to see on the way out is the hot receptionist. Could be worse.

      Sorry for posting anonymously, but I don't feel like getting laid off if someone from work happens to recognize my username.

    10. Re:This is why... by Beat+The+Odds · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah, they should just reboot the system. That always works, I've seen it countless times in movies.

      no, no, no..... You have to ESCAPE the system. What movie's you been watchin'?

    11. Re:This is why... by Shivaji+Maharaj · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You need a competent IT team and infrastructure if you have a large and complex systems. I have seen SA come and go all the time quite frequently. All it takes is one small set of jump servers and hourly reporting of security audits. One unexplained suspicious activity and you are out.

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    12. Re:This is why... by GottaDIY · · Score: 3, Funny

      It only works when you have to run past a pack of Raptors.

    13. Re:This is why... by phatlipmojo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      He's a municipal employee. I don't know about San Francisco, but where I live, state or local government employee means union member, which in turn means he's very difficult to fire, except for the most egregious offenses. He's probably had an extensive disciplinary history to reach this point, which means he had ample time to see it coming and set this all up in advance.

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    14. Re:This is why... by jabuzz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would not be so sure. For it to be theft (in the UK at least) there has to be "an intention to permanently deprive"

      Without this it is not theft. This is why someone who takes a car for a joyride is charged with "Taking without the owners consent" and not theft for example.

      Therefore if it is not the employers intention to permanently deprive the ex-employee of their possessions then it is not theft, and they are in the clear.

    15. Re:This is why... by jason.sweet · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unless they are totally incompetent

      They couldn't event successfully fire the guy.

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    16. Re:This is why... by Kram_Gunderson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, TFA confirms a history of disciplinary action and mentions that management had been "trying" to fire him for some time. Who knows if these are biased reports from angry and embarrassed management, though.

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    17. Re:This is why... by cbreaker · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm guessing they are totally incompetent.

      I used to work for the State (a very small state) and some dipshit "Security Director" over at the Department of Administration (all our Internet traffic went through there) decided that he didn't like all this traffic coming from my PC to an IP address that matched a "corporate domain name" (it was my own domain, and I'd login to my own webmail.) Basically this guy was (is) paid $150K a year, and all he does is install appliances and watch logs to try and catch people surfing the wrong web pages (he used to be a cop.)

      He tried to fire me for "running a business from my desk" which of course I wasn't doing..

      Anyways, he sent someone down to my office and they took my PC. Vista x86.

      So they couldn't figure out how to login to the machine. The so-called security expert couldn't even create a boot disk or anything to get access. It's not like it was a crazy machine, it was a Dell Precision machine with a SATA RAID card. All they had to do was download the drivers from Dell and make a BartPE or something.

      They basically told me that if I didn't give them my password I was fired. I absolutely REFUSED. Never do you ever need to have someone give you their password. A so-called security expert should know this.

      So eventually I drove over there, typed in my password for them, and drove back to my office. They didn't find anything, obviously, and I got the machine back completely wiped two weeks later.

      So yes, they are DEFINITELY INCOMPETENT! All IT management in state/government agencies are, and most of the people working for them as well. You move up in the government simply by not being fired and putting in more years than the next guy.

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    18. Re:This is why... by wattrlz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Especially if he's the only guy who knows what he's doing.

    19. Re:This is why... by BigDaddyOttawa · · Score: 5, Funny

      Paul, is that you? Could you come to Meeting Room 1 for an important staff meeting. Ignore John standing behind you with that box, he's just collecting them to build a fort.

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    20. Re:This is why... by sheepofblue · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would not care. You can escort me if you desire but if you try to steal my stuff and hear glass breaking don't worry it is just me creating an alternate door.

      I actually saw a terrible company that I was at escort someone out a week after they gave two weeks notice (WTF ???) It was real tacky and made the customer whose guards were used really mad.

    21. Re:This is why... by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, but that involves a perilous trip through the cavernous sub-basement to some rarely touched master reboot switch, and while the system is restarting all the perimeter fences will be de-electrified and the motion sensors inactive. In movies, this situation inevitably leads to lots of screaming and mayhem.

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    22. Re:This is why... by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's going to be hard to prove that someone was a "threat" simply because you have fired them. Unless they are displaying aggressive tendencies or what not, then saying "we considered them a threat" is NOT likely to hold up at all in court. Besides if it's that important simply have security there while they gather their things.

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    23. Re:This is why... by Zakabog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So yes, they are DEFINITELY INCOMPETENT! All IT management in state/government agencies are, and most of the people working for them as well.

      The problem isn't true for ALL state/government agencies, the problem is -

      I used to work for the State (a very small state)

      A friend of mine worked for the FDNY in their IT department, they knew what they were doing. It all depends on where you work and the quality of IT staff available for work in the area.

    24. Re:This is why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      They couldn't event successfully fire the guy

      Irony, thy name is jason.sweet.

    25. Re:This is why... by operagost · · Score: 3, Funny

      They should have put him in the basement and stopped paying him.

      I understand the fatal mistake was taking his red stapler.

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    26. Re:This is why... by Skapare · · Score: 4, Funny

      They basically told me that if I didn't give them my password I was fired. I absolutely REFUSED. Never do you ever need to have someone give you their password. A so-called security expert should know this.

      So eventually I drove over there, typed in my password for them, and drove back to my office. They didn't find anything, obviously, and I got the machine back completely wiped two weeks later.

      What you should have done was give them some random string of gibberish (write it down and keep it yourself so you can repeat the same exact string when asked again). They still won't be able to get in. Finally, when you have to go over there and help them, pull out that little piece of paper and type that random gibberish in again. When you also get access denied, repeat a few times more slowly. Then finally turn around and look at the idiots and say "You broke it!".

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    27. Re:This is why... by NathanE · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, I have a FANTASTIC idea: lets let the goverment run our healthcare! I'm told it is the land of milk and honey.

    28. Re:This is why... by Holi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh please Italy has had RI since before I was born.

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    29. Re:This is why... by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In any workplace, the employer has a right to search through your stuff to ensure you are not removing confidential work data. This means that if you have a usb drive, paperwork, etc. they can hold those items until they can verify they are 'clean'.

      That's usually a stipulation of an employment contract however. When one is fired, that contract is terminated. As such, regardless of if it's on their property, they have no legal right to examine or interfere with one's personal possessions in any way. I think you're interpreting the "rights" of employers a little too broadly. It's not like they're their own miniature police force inside that building. They can fire you if they like, but if they hold your property it could very easily be considered theft. It's also going to be EXTREMELY hard to prove that they had just cause to immediately remove you from the property rather than to simply have a security guard and/or your former supervisor be present when you are removing your possessions from your office.

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    30. Re:This is why... by JW.Axelsen.Sr. · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's true, a requirement for obtaining a high-level position in IT for a state govt. seems to be incompetence.

      This was fun to watch unfold, first-hand. All of the systems designed and implemented by Accenture for the Colorado State Government were faulty. Every single one. Yet they kept getting contracts. No one even bothered to Google the company, they just bid low, said they could do it, and no one checked up on 'em until the systems started breaking. And I don't mean breaking like a small problem here, small problem there...the Dept. of Revenue computers (Dept. of A, T & F computers, DMV computers, tax computers, unemployment benefit computers, dept. of labor computers) would shut down and wouldn't fully come back on and be ready to use for a day or two at a time once or twice a month. Servers and workstations, just shutting down all over the place, for no discernible (at least by someone like me) reason. The computers in my office would shut down and I'd check cables 'n stuff and then call the IT dept. (the phone system is and always has been ok, at least) and you could feel the rage and shame oozing through the phone when the guy would say he didn't know what was wrong...the computer systems from Accenture came without usable documentation and without support agreements. Then I'd just tell everyone that we were getting another paid two-day break (union). Good times.

    31. Re:This is why... by cbreaker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey AC.

      Not very insightful at all. I thought it would be pretty obvious to infer the following from my post:

      - That I was an Admin
      - That web mail and general internet surfing was not banned
      - That there was no written procedure to go through; this guy was just a schmuck
      - Obviously it was the work PC. It was easier saying "My PC" than "The PC that sits at my desk that I use every day which was designated for my use during the work day."

      The PC was connected to OUR domain, at our department. By taking the PC to their office, which I firewalled from ours (we had patch management, software deployment, locked down PC's; a fully managed system - they still have Win95 machines running) so they couldn't login to our domain.

      I was asked for the "Administrator" password first. I told them that it was Vista, and that I never assigned one to "Administrator." They didn't believe me. Eventually they asked for my password, which I didn't give them.

      You're as much of a moron as they are.

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    32. Re:This is why... by snowgirl · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wikipedia has an article on Structural Abuse, you might want to consider it.

      Longtime harassment and abuse will lead people to irrational behavior.

      Just because someone had a bunch of attempts to be fired doesn't mean that the manager was unjustified in his position.

      Plus, no evidence of his tampering was available until implemented... as a result you cannot punish someone for acts that they "might" do.

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    33. Re:This is why... by snowgirl · · Score: 2, Informative

      They should have forced him to release all admin passwords a long time ago, and performed regular system audits. Any non-compliance on his part would have just helped them fire him faster.

      It sounds like they have a management problem in general. Any sizeable company or government body needs to have regular audit and appraisels of their security. The network admin should NOT be in charge of security, there needs to be at least one other person involved.

      Duh.

      Here's the problem with that "simple" notion. Once you start treating him differently from everyone else, it sets up a pattern of abuse or harassment. Especially, if you start restricting their work so that they cannot perform the duties required by their position. When their performance review rolls around, BOOM, they're hit with a brick wall of "you didn't accomplish anything that was expected of you." I'm not entirely sure about California, but I think at that point, someone can make a case for being fired without reason... and as part of a Union, that answer is usually insufficient to fire someone.

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  3. Dennis Nedry? by dunelin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Next thing you know, we'll have some dinosaurs on the Presidio.

  4. I had a dream... by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We all dream about doing this to our ex-employer, but he's the one who's had the balls to do it!

    1. Re:I had a dream... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We all dream about doing this to our ex-employer, but he's the one who's had the balls to do it!

      No, not all of us do. Especially those of us who don't do things that get ourselves fired.

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    2. Re:I had a dream... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've been in a position to do this (I was still rooted from home in three systems, and though they changed the passwords, they didn't kick active sessions) and all I did was change the MOTD to "When firing a user with root access, make sure to abort existing sessions."

      Professionalism is key if you expect to be trusted with access to big sexy systems.

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    3. Re:I had a dream... by melikamp · · Score: 4, Funny

      [...] trusted with access to big sexy systems.

      Mmm, fat chicks... <drool>

    4. Re:I had a dream... by codeButcher · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Talking of what people want to do to their employer... There was this large semi state-owned telecomms company (and a much-hated monopoly for very long in our dear country) that I contracted at. This happened after I moved to another job, but I still had contact with a lot of ex-coworkers. Allegedly a middle management type was sacked, and a few days afterwards he came in again (no idea how he got past various access controls) to (literally) make a stink: he had several shopping bags containing excrement (human, apparently, though it probably was not all his own), which he managed to smear across his own as well as his ex-boss' desk and office wall before being apprehended. Now the office building was one of these modern new agey glass and concrete monstrosities and consisted of 4 floors of open plan desks, with a large opening down the center the same shape and size as the huge lobby and indoor garden on the ground floor - thus no way to contain the "spill".

      Apparently, this is one of the more widespread fantasies employees at that place have.

      Not to give anyone any ideas or anything....

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    5. Re:I had a dream... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is specifically described in the NIST/NSA protection profiles: when a user's access is revoked, all active sessions and running programs should be terminated as well.

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    6. Re:I had a dream... by afidel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This isn't nearly the worst I've heard of though. The worst was a guy who locked all accounts, deleted files, and placed a high strength magnet in the tape drive so when they went to restore they screwed up the backups. That company went out of business AFAIK and the loser involved served jail time and worked for the rest of his life to try to repay the owner.

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    7. Re:I had a dream... by weave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nice. I often wondered if I was fired if they'd remember to remove my keys from authorized_keys. Doesn't help to change passwords if you forget that as well.

    8. Re:I had a dream... by Brandonski · · Score: 3, Interesting

      >Professionalism is key if you expect to be trusted with access to big sexy systems
      I Whole-heartedly agree.
      I'm sure there are a lot of /.ers who have had this opportunity and temptation. I'm one of them. I was laid off three times from 2000-2001. In two of those instances I still had root...in the third, even though root had been removed my knowledge of the system was such that I could have easily brought it down with a legally created user account. I didn't act on any of these impulses. I have to admit, if I hadn't been shown a high degree of Professionalism during the lay off process, the temptation would have been much harder to resist.

    9. Re:I had a dream... by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
      No, not all of us do. Especially those of us who don't do things that get ourselves fired.
      .

      or sued. or jailed.

      or would rather not spend the remainder of our prime earning years shelving stock at WalMart or flipping burgers for McD.

    10. Re:I had a dream... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My temptation was excessively high. I got the shaft for no good reason, and I was told that either I'd resign or they'd sue me for some kind of breach of contract: they didn't want to have to pay my unemployment, so they made this threat...I can't even remember what it was about now, but I do remember that the PHB...

      Oh wait, I remember, it was an Arcview application that had never gotten completed because the demographic data was hung up at the state level, and he kept calling it Arcserve. So yea, I'm sitting there listening to this fat idiot with the bad hairpiece threatening me with a breach of contract dealing with a Windows backup program which we didn't even sell.

      What a moron.

      Anyway the "contract" was a complete handshake agreement, no paper work, no actual project specs, nothing, and the ball was in the clients court anyway, and in my opinion, they had no real interest in it in the first place. Basically he was trying to force me out to isolate one of the partners (my actual boss), and he was a real asshole about it.

      So I had a moment, when I realized I had basically unlimited access, where I was tempted. I'm not a fuckup like the guy in San Fran either; I could have set shit in motion that would never have been caught, and I knew the state their backups were in.

      But I'm a professional, and while I never would have been caught, I wouldn't have felt like I could be trusted with the big systems, wouldn't have been able to sit in an interview and say that my personal integrity matters more to me than just about anything.

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    11. Re:I had a dream... by wattrlz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apparently, this is one of the more widespread fantasies employees at that place have.

      Not to give anyone any ideas or anything....

      I don't know what horrible abuses the workers telecom workers in parent's state suffer, but I'd rather be known as, "that guy who pwned our boxen after getting fired." than, "That guy who smeared poo all over the place after getting fired." ... Though being known as, " That guy who got a cushy job at Google or wherever." is far preferable to either.

    12. Re:I had a dream... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually I ended up being heavily involved in the death throes of the company as the proxy of the one partner who I liked. Miserable experience. They made his life a living hell, and mine slightly hellish by association.

      Two months after they folded the same jackass who fired me tried to offer me a partnership deal for some software app that I was supposed to write from the ground up for him to market through his shady incestuous contacts with the local government.

      Despite the half-hearted "Maybe we shouldn't have treated you like shit" apology, and the recent glaring example of what a monumentally stupid thing it would be to get involved with them on any level greater than a mere employee, I managed a polite, "No thank you" and I haven't heard from the bastards since.

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  5. Just hack *his* hack by ma11achy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With the correct knowledge, it should not be too difficult to get back door access to their system again.

    This seems to be more of a PR excercise on making an example (as they should) of this guy.

    More and more reasons why people like us should have a recognised code of ethics.

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    1. Re:Just hack *his* hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you need a recognized code of ethics to tell you that sabotaging your ex-employer's system isn't right, then no code of ethics can help you. Unfortunately this guy screws it up for all of the honest techs who work hard to earn the trust which they need for doing their jobs.

    2. Re:Just hack *his* hack by Palinchron · · Score: 4, Interesting

      By using the fact that they still have physical access? Resetting his password, or re-enabling other admin accounts is trivial if you can boot the target server with a recovery disk or something along those lines.

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    3. Re:Just hack *his* hack by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I believe that was the point of the city claiming that he might have granted access to the system to a third party: make him out to be a really bad guy, rather than some moron trying to get back at his boss, so that the city looks less incompetent. Also note that the system is still operational. The city is trying real hard to paint this guy as some sort of IT-terrorist, but if TFA is any indication, the guy really is just an idiot with a grudge.

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    4. Re:Just hack *his* hack by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think I've ever heard of a Live CD for MVS.

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    5. Re:Just hack *his* hack by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would be very leery of booting the system to net or cdrom. What ELSE did he setup?

      It's trivial to add a crontab or other mechanism that would F the whole system from many sources (S99xxxx, K99xxxx, altered shutdown, altered scripts, etc...). Even if he does provide the right password, how can you trust the system? Because he's being a dick, and holding out on passwords, this should be treated like a confirmed intrusion. They are going to be rebuilding the entire fleet of servers, if they have any sense.

      Echoing other comments, yes, I'm sure we've all thought about ways to do this, or something like, and being a very creative bunch, I'd bet nothing short of a full system and source code audit would ever find some of things we could do.

      They are going to be rebuilding the entire fleet of servers, if they have any sense.
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    6. Re:Just hack *his* hack by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, it's not. There are other things you need to do as well; just changing passwords won't cut it.

      Every unix system can be brought up in single user mode; single user mode means no networks, no logins, no security, no passwords. That takes care of any password problems, and you can simply edit the passwd file to remove the bad root password, and you're in.

      Basically you have to encrypt the system or somehow keep the owners from gaining physical access to the machine. Encryption is the only likely way, imho.

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    7. Re:Just hack *his* hack by pfleming · · Score: 2, Interesting
      From FTA:

      Officials also said they feared that although Childs is in jail, he may have enabled a third party to access the system by telephone or other electronic device and order the destruction of hundreds of thousands of sensitive documents. Authorities have searched Childs' home and car for a device that could be used in such an attack, but so far no such evidence has been found.

      So are they looking for a modem or NIC? What kind of "device" would he need to connect?

  6. Countdown... by geminidomino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Idiotic new law in 5...4...3...

    1. Re:Countdown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unlikely given that he's already committed multiple felonies worthy of setting bail at $5 million.

      The make new laws when the guy they want to convict didn't break any serious existing ones (or they can't prove he did...), this case seems covered by the existing laws.

    2. Re:Countdown... by MadKeithV · · Score: 2, Funny

      +1 worrying ;-)

    3. Re:Countdown... by Crayon+Kid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about they charge him with terrorism? Doesn't seem so far fetched, given we're talking about an entire city's systems. Who wants to bet this is at least being considered? If anything, they may dangle the possibility in front of his face to make him cave.

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    4. Re:Countdown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unlikely given that he's already committed multiple felonies worthy of setting bail at $5 million.

      He's been arrested for multiple felonies. He hasn't been convicted of them. How do you convict someone of computer intrusion when they are, by nature of their job as administrator, supposed to have access to every system. He gave them a password, it just didn't work.

      The article is too light on details to really know, but it seems the city has been pWN3D and all they know how to do is lock up the admin and call in some police team to try to brute force the password. It's possible he didn't even do the pWNage. Those machines could be spam blasting zombies as we speak...

      Frankly, something in the article smells. One official would only speak anonymously, and the police we're quoted saying that motive wasn't necessarily part of a crime. They also made a point of repeating his salary twice, which I find odd. Sounds fishy.

  7. Frankly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    If he met the same kind of problems I did when I worked in public sector and tried to push changes that would prevent this kind of idiocy in the first place only to be ignored because policy and process changes for better security and general good practice improvements meant management actually having to do some work then well, good on him for having the balls to do it.

    Certainly in the UK in public sector those who work hard get shit on because those who refuse to do any work or could care less about a good job own the IT departments due to nothing more than hanging around for the job long enough that everyone higher than them dies/retires. As there's no accountability in local government and most other public sector these people can't be sacked or disposed of in other ways so they just hang around until they are 65.

    1. Re:Frankly by damburger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why the hate towards the public sector? I have found the exact same shit going on in private companies, many of them quite successful.

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    2. Re:Frankly by damburger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A reputation, based on people with a serious ideological axe to grind. Blind faith in the market producing magical efficiency gains is contrary to everything I have seen during my professional life, both in the public and private sector. From my perspective, I have never seen one bit of evidence to show there is any truth to it outside the imaginations of Tory politicians.

      Furthermore, people like you who are so besotted with 'market forces' did attempt to introduce them to public services in the UK, and it has been an unmitigated disaster. The inability of internal prices to truly reflect the quality of services has resulted in huge waste, massive bureaucracy and a decline of standards. Now, the ideologues are at it again trying to push for a new round of 'targets' in the NHS. They never learn.

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    3. Re:Frankly by smchris · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why the hate? Because the organizations are often run by posers who want to "keep taxes low" and don't care whether the job gets done?

      I worked for a major metro U.S. city's MIS director in the 80s who had the balls to tell the City Council that the job would take this many dollars and these many personnel or it wouldn't get done. They restructured his ass out of there, put in a yes-man and paid for a zillion bucks of private contractors (because they get paid in "different" money I guess). The project was your classic buggy debacle that ran many years over schedule and enraged citizens with the likes of $5000 water bills at rollout.

    4. Re:Frankly by damburger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the scenario you descibre, the streets would become choked with dirty, unsafe buses and traffic would grind to a halt. This, in fact, happens.

      Like so many market fundamentalists, you just can't see how easily your ideology falls flat on its face in the real world, or you would've seen the flaw in your own argument.

      You are essentially laying all inefficiency at the feet of the 'state' - i.e. any actor that isn't an entrepreneur - and then using that as 'proof' that the entrepreneur is more efficient. This is what people smarter than you refer to as 'circular logic'.

      Perhaps, when you've grown up, experienced the real world a bit and stopped reading Ayn Rands bullshit, you might get a clue.

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    5. Re:Frankly by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why the hate towards the public sector? I have found the exact same shit going on in private companies, many of them quite successful.

      That's because the anglo-saxon culture has a visceral hatred of everything that comes from the State. Anglo-saxons find that the State is the embodiment of evil, that it cannot do anything good and they will always try to gut it to it's simplest expression.

      This dates back to 1215 when weak king John (Jean d'Angleterre) got bullied by his barons and signed the magna carta which essentially robbed him of most of his power. Thus started the notion that people other than the king could earn more power to the point of rivalling the State.

      At the beginning, this was restricted to nobility, but when the industrial revolution saw the bourgeois rise to unprecedented wealth, to the point of even eclipsing the State's, the bourgeois managed to totally subvert the State and effectively gut it to an almost nonexistent value during victorian times.

      Such distrust of the State is not found amongst other cultures. For example, the French have no problem with an overbearing State that nitpickingly regulates every aspect of their life, but since their culture will not demean the State, working for the State is not viewed as something bad, and the State will have no problem in recruiting competent people which will insure that whatever action the State takes, it will be done competently. Witness, for example, the network of high-speed trains ran by the French State Railroad, all developped by the State-Owned railroad. The same comment can be made about the extensive network of french nuclear power plant, all operated by a State agency, and exporting power to the rest of Europe.

    6. Re:Frankly by damburger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I'm sorry then, but it did sound like you were making an extreme market argument.

      The idea of a middle ground between conflicting positions though is a position in itself. Its one that tends towards a maintainence of the status quo and can if over-applied stop a society making the changes it needs to in order to adapt and survive.

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    7. Re:Frankly by sammy+baby · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A reputation, based on people with a serious ideological axe to grind. Blind faith in the market producing magical efficiency gains is contrary to everything I have seen during my professional life, both in the public and private sector. From my perspective, I have never seen one bit of evidence to show there is any truth to it outside the imaginations of Tory politicians.

      Well, if you'd come on over to the USA for a little while, you could have the pleasure of seeing it in the imaginations of our conservatives as well.

      Not to say I haven't seen horribly inefficient and stupid government agencies on this side of the pond. But it seems to me that every time conservative politicians are let near a social program or government organization, we see something like the following:

      [Senator] "This program doesn't work because it's inefficient! We need to hack away the fat!"
      (attacks program with machete, leaving a mangled bloody corpse.)
      [Senator] "See?!? It's still not working! Looks like we're just going to have to farm this out to my good buddy Ted."

      [CEO] Hi. I just bought my third mansion and a private 20-seat jet with the massive reimbursement plan I just secured.

      [Senator] Now that's what I call efficiency!

      Wash, rinse, repeat.

    8. Re:Frankly by damburger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then why do colleges produce innovations? How do colleges get teaching done (my university certainly manages)? Taking longer to do a task isn't necessarily a sign of laziness - it can be a sign of thoroughness. This is why the private sector notoriously fails at big projects such as infrastructure and space travel. Market forces breed the patience of a 5 year old with ADHD. If you can't do something RIGHT NOW they will find someone who can - or at least *claims* they can.

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    9. Re:Frankly by damburger · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, I've heard something along the lines of 'the Republican party say that government doesnt work, and when they get elected they try to prove it'

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    10. Re:Frankly by damburger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you seriously suggesting that without the government, business would be less concerned with the bottom line? That shareholders would stop making a fuss? Are you that naive?

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  8. Tried to fire him? by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From TFA:

    "Childs has worked for the city for about five years. One official with knowledge of the case said he had been disciplined on the job in recent months for poor performance and that his supervisors had tried to fire him."

    How the hell do you "Try to fire" someone .. either you do it or you don't.

    (And please .. no Yoda BS. If you go back and look at when Yoda was first introduced as a character he didn't do that cutesy backwards sentence construction. That came later. So I put it in the realm of Jar Jar - obnoxious character development)

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    1. Re:Tried to fire him? by x1n933k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey! Just because you hate Jar Jar doesn't mean you can take it out on Yoda man, that's just not cool. Besides, it's off topic, regardless of how close your phrase was to the dialog.

      Does anyone know if he was Unionized? That would mean that the company 'tried' to fire him but didn't have the legal grounds and the Union backed him. Happens all the time.

    2. Re:Tried to fire him? by EMCEngineer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you miss the part where he has a government job? It can be extremely difficult to fire anyone for even the most egregious conduct. My father works for the USDA, and he has had people at his office caught sleeping more than once, and they did not get fired because it takes so much effort.

    3. Re:Tried to fire him? by hcetSJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't speak for municipal IT workers, but teachers are incredibly hard to fire:
      How to Fire an Incompetent Teacher (make sure you check out the PDF flowchart)
      The Ten Worst Union-Protected Teachers

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    4. Re:Tried to fire him? by Darth_brooks · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you go back and look at when Yoda was first introduced as a character he didn't do that cutesy backwards sentence construction.

      Your nostalgia is showing...

      "Not far Yoda is, not far."

      "Help you find him, I will"

      That was from empire, right after Luke first meets Yoda. He's always done it, it's just gotten more pronounced as the movies progressed.

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    5. Re:Tried to fire him? by imadork · · Score: 2, Informative

      I used to work in a Big, Multi-National company. In it's heyday (when they weren't laying people off left and right), the process to actually fire someone for performance reasons took quite a long time -- two to three years of performance reviews and coaching, depending on the department. I heard stories of people who considered themselves in "in-plant retirement", where they physically showed up for work, but did nothing but nap and read books (and more recently, surfed the web). They knew that before they could be fired for cause, they could retire! They can't do that anymore, though, because there's always the risk that a new layoff would happen, and they'd be at the head of the list to get axed, no matter how close they were to that pension....

    6. Re:Tried to fire him? by hey! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How can you "try" to fire somebody and fail?

      You do it some place where there are rules that are there to prevent abuse. Of course, every rule that prevents some form of abuse probably enables another form of abuse.

      For better or worse, not all forms of abuse are equal. Suppose the guy was a lousy employee; the rules that prevent political appointees from blackmailing political contributions and favor from government employees give bad employees the opportunity to cry "wolf". This mean that getting rid of bad employees is work and time consuming, which is bad. Is it as bad as letting politicians dictate who gets preferences for government services and contracts? Probably not.

      Of course this means some bad employees lurk below the firing threhold for a long time. This isn't any different than the private sector, it's just that the rigamarole they can put you through means the threshold is a bit higher. Everybody carries employees they'd rather not have hired, but aren't worth the trouble of firing.

      All this has nothing to do with the organization's failure to isolate the damage done by one untrustworthy employee.

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    7. Re:Tried to fire him? by Degrees · · Score: 2, Informative

      To expand on this, it's important to understand 'deep pockets'. Large organizations have deep pockets, which makes them juicier targets for 'unfair dismissal' lawsuits. Government is the worst for it, because you cannot (essentially) sue them out of business. For example, the Sheriff's Office must continue operating; so, if the lawsuit is lost, tax money is used to cover it. If we run out of tax money, we raise taxes.

      Back on point: HR and Legal must assume that the dismissal is going to result in an unfair dismissal lawsuit. So they always push management to make sure the dismissal is 100% airtight. Anything less than that, and the government could lose huge sums of cash (far more than it takes to ride the bad employee for a couple years).

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  9. RTFA by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Informative

    He was arrested AFTER he disabled everyone else's account.

    What do you recommend they do next time, use a crystal ball or ouija board to predict who's going to pull such a stunt?

    1. Re:RTFA by alexgieg · · Score: 5, Funny

      What do you recommend they do next time, use a crystal ball or ouija board to predict who's going to pull such a stunt?

      Minority Report for system administration activities? Sweet! ;-)

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  10. Read the Article - He wasn't fired. by chipmeister · · Score: 5, Informative

    There was an unsuccessful attempt to fire him. The article also mentions that he was essentially spying on people to learn things being said about him.

    1. Re:Read the Article - He wasn't fired. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've seen this sort of problem...it's really deadly. If you have somebody who has the keys to the entire computer system, is fully willing to snoop into people's personal data, and also is willing to really do some nasty things, you're in a bad situation. If you're going to fire him, do it fast and without warning...he absolutely can't know it's coming. With someone like that, you can't even discuss the issue via email with any other colleagues (i.e., he's probably reading your emails quite regularly).

      If he has any time to stew about things, then odds are he'll setup a variety of back-doors or other ways he can royally mess things up. In the situation I've seen, the boss knew the sysadmin was screwing around...though there was no hard proof, the sysadmin also knew that he was essentially caught. But in his position, he basically had the office by the balls. It's a stalemate...unless you're willing to dump the guy and completely sanitize/overhaul anything he's touched on the network. And of course, who knows how much personal data he's copied off-site in the meantime.

      Gotta post as A/C for this one...

    2. Re:Read the Article - He wasn't fired. by thelexx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, if they had nothing to hide then they have nothing to worry about right?

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  11. Got to love damage assessments by Shivetya · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Especially when it makes a crime a Felony. That is one of the four felonies charged to him. The other three are all related to tampering with a computer network.

    While this guy is obviously an idiot for thinking he could blackmail a government entity I am quite pleased the security on the system is sufficient to make it hard to get into when strong security is put into place. In other words, nothing annoys me more than so called secured systems having some means of password decryption, let alone the ones that allow admins to see them plain text.

    what is going to interest me is how many years they will attempt to land on him. Just how offensive to society is this type of crime versus murder or rape. It seems that every new crime invented by the government gets stronger penalties than existing ones; if only to make it appear more valid. After all the penalty wouldn't be so severe if it were not really a crime now would it?

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    1. Re:Got to love damage assessments by damburger · · Score: 5, Interesting

      he will probably get a sentence more than a rapist but less than a murderer. The state considers screwing with it the highest crime, far more so than the plebs killing each other, but there is a limit to what they can get away with if they want a quiet life.

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    2. Re:Got to love damage assessments by damburger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're quick to play the fear card, aren't you? Even considered a position in the Bush administration?

      You can't use 'what ifs' to try and pin a more serious crime on someone. Its tyrannical, because essentially your 'what ifs' are subjective and thus you are using your own opinions to override the law.

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    3. Re:Got to love damage assessments by Otter · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Felony" doesn't necessarily imply the severity ("murder or rape") that you seem to think it does. IIRC, in California the cutoff for felony theft is $1000, with much lower thresholds for certain items (chickens, kelp, nuts, avocados, milk crates). What this guy did more than qualifies for felony status.

    4. Re:Got to love damage assessments by Oligonicella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He didn't.

      He said "what if" and wanted a hypothetical answer, not 'he should get time because it might', which is what you imply he did.

  12. POWER TO THE PEOPLE! by Swizec · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is what I say ...

  13. Job Posting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Large municipal department of technology seeking software engineer for a multimillion-dollar computer system. At least 5 years of previous experience required. Must be able to gain administrative access to a system where the password is not known. Hiring immediately!

    1. Re:Job Posting by Chibi · · Score: 4, Funny

      If they (the technology department) were smart, they would make it a practical interview. Ask the interviewee if they can gain administrative access to the system. If they say yes, let them try. If they can't do it, you thank them, but let them know that they aren't qualified for the position. If they *can* gain access, you thank them, and let them know that the position is no longer required.~

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  14. what a selfish asshole by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ok, you're mad at your employer, perhaps there reasons for firing you are invalid

    but taking it out on third parties, such as with locking up law enforcement documents that might decide the guilt of hardcore criminals: you're a selfish asshole for setting up that scenario

    maybe you didn't deserve to be fired

    but now you deserve to rot in jail for how you responded to your firing

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    1. Re:what a selfish asshole by Minwee · · Score: 2, Funny

      To say nothing of the obvious error in step 4.

  15. Apparently they dont have other competent engineer by dmacleod808 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Number one rule in IT. If i have PHYSICAL access to a system i can get in. Some way, some how.

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  16. Mmmm... by MRe_nl · · Score: 2, Informative

    Noodleboarding...

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  17. Re:Welcome to Information Terrorism by mrbluze · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He would have snapped either way, they should be thankful he did not do more damage.

    No matter what you do, you can't stop stupidity, madness, hatred and malice. If someone is clever enough or in a position of trust, as inevitably someone has to be, this can happen and you can't always predict it. So the problem is not that a disgruntled employee pulled the plug, but that appropriate checks and balances were not in place. If they were, no individual at all would have been given that sort of power. For a single person to bring down a system is the system's fault.

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  18. I smell a rat by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    FTFA:
    "At a news conference announcing Childs' arrest, District Attorney Kamala Harris was tightlipped about what his motive may have been."

    I think there's more going on here than we're being told.

    1. Re:I smell a rat by Joker1980 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah im with you on this one, why would you refuse to give them back control after you were caught bang to rights, after all he made his point (as well as ending his career). As with most so called news stories the devil is in the details......unfortunatly the details have been left out (intentional or sloppy, its just too hard to tell these days)

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    2. Re:I smell a rat by Temkin · · Score: 3, Informative

      FTFA:

      "At a news conference announcing Childs' arrest, District Attorney Kamala Harris was tightlipped about what his motive may have been."

      I think there's more going on here than we're being told.

      You have to understand the nepotism and corruption that runs SF. The DA is purportedly Willie Brown's ex-girlfriend. She probably hasn't been told what to say yet because her handlers have been locked out of their computers. They have to cover up the corruption that contributed to this (or was merely exposed) first, then they'll decide what he did and throw the book at him.

  19. What no golden handshake... by Numen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That director over there, he gets a golden handshake as he goes out the door... You want to keep him sweet because he knows where all your dirty secrets are and could cause all sorts of trouble for your operation.

    The sysadmin, youre going to kick out the door becuase hes blue colar... Oh, wait a minute... He really does know where all your dirty secrets are and really can bring your operation to its knees. In fact hes far more dangerous going out the door than the exec... pity you didnt think of that.

    Execs are heaved out the door all the time for being incompetent, but its done with kid gloves because theyre deemed to be potentially damaging... And they wear a suit.

    Word of advice: if youre sacking somebody who can bring your operation to a grinding halt, make sure you you keep them sweet, regardless of the job they do for your organisation. Its simple business.

    1. Re:What no golden handshake... by Bieeanda · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The exec has social networking skills sufficient to get himself into that position, find himself a new roost, and (apparently) threaten blackmail, all while keeping his ass covered with smiles and hearsay.

      The sysadmin has a computer network that knows no loyalties, keeps stringent records, and will happily spill the beans if someone thinks to check in on any skulduggery. He also knows damn well that he'll never work again if it comes out that he fucked his employer's network.

    2. Re:What no golden handshake... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sys admins are blue collar now? So what's the guy who digs ditches? No collar?

    3. Re:What no golden handshake... by Tim+C · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That director over there, he gets a golden handshake as he goes out the door... You want to keep him sweet because he knows where all your dirty secrets are

      No, you keep him sweet because in a few years time he could be hiring you, or at least working with you directly - e.g. choosing to do business with your company rather than a competitor. That's extremely unlikely with someone at our level.

      That, and the whole senior exec thing is one big old boy's club - why do you think so few of them are female?

  20. Unpatch windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thats why you run unpatched windows, it will take only 4 minutes to get access.

  21. on any Linux system you can: by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Informative

    log in in init 1 (runlevel 1) and change the root password or;

    in /etc/shadow change this:
    root:$2$3bJ7DS4R$rV45lDlqNsfDRntfO1NCk0:14069:0:::::

    look exactly like this:
    root::14069:0:::::
    this and you can log in to root without any password

    maybe other *nixes are close enough to do the same (BSD or solaris)

    on ubuntu the root shadow is a little differrent since it is disabled with an asterisk:
    root:*:14069:0:::::
    just remove the asterisk

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  22. Re:Apparently they dont have other competent engin by wild_quinine · · Score: 5, Funny

    Number one rule in IT. If i have PHYSICAL access to a system i can get in. Some way, some how.

    Government Agency rule number one: If I have PHYSICAL access to a criminal, I can get information. Some way, some how.

  23. Well no wonder! by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Funny

    From TFA: "Prosecutors say Childs, who works in the Department of Technology at a base salary of just over $126,000"

    No wonder he was disgruntled, that's not even a living wage in San Francisco.

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  24. Enough with the speculation! by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Officials also said they feared that although Childs is in jail, he may have enabled a third party to access the system by telephone or other electronic device and order the destruction of hundreds of thousands of sensitive documents."

    Or maybe he hasn't. He might have done a lot of other things as well. A few of them are worth investigating but speculating publicly makes them sound a little hysterical.

  25. Gruntled by senor+mouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Poor soul. All pissy over a job that pays 150K/yr? This guy lacks perspective, huge. If incarceration and bankruptcy don't help him figure things out - perhaps a stint delivering pizza or a cardboard sign at the offramp.

  26. This is not new by kiwimate · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Been around since the time of Juvenal's Satires (which would be the third or fourth century AD, I think, unless someone wants to look it up and correct me).

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Translation: who guards the guards?

    Think for a moment. If you are a senior IT administrator or a senior programmer, unless you're in a very rigorous environment, your actions are most likely not subject to peer review. No-one has time. Right?

    How many times do we see the argument "it's open source, anyone can read the code" immediately presented with "but who does"? Now consider that there are millions of people using Linux who potentially could read the code and who are likely working with it because they have a personal passion; but a handful of people who potentially could review your work, but are unlikely to have any deep yearning to do so because, well, they've got their own work to do.

    In this kind of situation, you either have to have a mandated peer review regime (time consuming and expensive) or an independent audit (ditto). Both of these are, for reasons of practicality, likely to hit only subsections of what needs to be reviewed.

    It's a trust thing. If you can trust your admins. And if you can't...well, who admins the admins?

  27. They're coming down heavy on this guy... by PinkyDead · · Score: 3, Insightful

    because

    They're worried that he or an associate might be able to destroy hundreds of thousands of sensitive documents, including emails, payroll information, and law enforcement documents.

    Yes - that's the reason.

    Not because he showed up their complete incompetence and made them look like fools and now they want retribution. Protecting the public's right to privacy - yes, that's the reason.

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  28. Re:Welcome to Information Terrorism by Grey_14 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    modern computer systems have a single point of control or power, the superuser. most admins need that access to do their job, but through that account they can do exactly this, disable all other accounts and change the superuser password. It can be circumvented (usually) with physical access, but it sort of comes down to the fact that someone in a position of trust can abuse it and do a lot of damage. I'm not sure how 'checks and balances' would have prevented it except maybe to not hire nutjobs.

  29. Re:I bow to his guts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Responsibility is part of the sysadmins job. This concerns sensitive data and uptime of services. He failed.

  30. Technologists Unite!! by madcarrots · · Score: 4, Interesting

    None of us know all the facts of the situation, but I think it's pretty obvious that this guy was just trying to maintain his livelyhood through a misguided attempt at job security. If we had an IT Union looking out for our careers that gave us some sort of protection against the arbitrary whims of upper-management, then maybe this wouldn't have happened.

    As for the idea that the guy might have shared his password with some unscrupulous feind... how many of you, had you actually been given admin access to SAN FRANSISCO would really share that password with anyone? Drastic, misguided, sure... but stupid? Come on, there had to be a reason he got the job in the first place.

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  31. Re:I bow to his guts by houghi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I do not bow to his guts. There is a fine but definite line between fantasy and reality. This might be YOUR data he uses to play his game.

    It is not gutsy to do this. It is childish at best. And no, it doesn't matter if he might be in his right with whatever dispute he has or had. Put him in jail untill he is willing to talk.

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  32. I did it too, on a smaller scale by DoctorFrog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I didn't actually intend to. This was about 15 years ago. I got hired to take care of payroll at a warehouse, which was a completely paper-based process. I suggested that I could transfer the whole operation onto a computer and be more efficient. They said go ahead, but for security be sure to password protect it.

    It ended up taking me only a couple of hours to do what had been an all-day job, and naively I told them this and suggested that there were other areas of operation in the plant I could similarly improve. Instead, the next day they canned me - they wouldn't say why, only "It just isn't working out."

    The day after that I was glumly poking through the classifieds when I got the call

    "Hi, how are you doing?"

    "Well, I'm unemployed. That doesn't help."

    "Ah, yes... well. Say, you know your payroll system? It's password protected."

    "Yes, I know. You asked me to do that." A little bubble of joy started in my chest.

    "Well, could you tell me what the password is?"

    "I could... but I don't work for you any more, do I?" Then I hung up.

    Oh, all the raw data was still available on paper, but I'll bet it took them weeks to straighten it all out completely.

    1. Re:I did it too, on a smaller scale by wattrlz · · Score: 3, Funny

      I know a guy who has a similar story, except he said something that amounted to, " I'm now a consultant, please add a zero to what you were paying me and I'll gladly come in and change the password on your system."

    2. Re:I did it too, on a smaller scale by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Something similar here. I had spent a LOT of time translating a paper based estimating system to Excel spreadsheets while working as seconded staff to a powerplant (I wore the Owner's hardhat, but my paychecks were from a contractor). I was unceremoniously relieved of my responsibilities, which were given to an incompetent who worked for the Owner. So I copied all of my work product onto disks, proceeded to scrub my desktop and network share of any evidence that I was anywhere near the place, and then handed the disks to my *employer* - the one who signed the paychecks, not the one whose hat I wore.

      Fast forward 6 months, and I get a call from the contractor. "Say, do you have copies of the files you were working on?"
      "Lemme check...nope, can't find them. Why?"
      "Well, the Owner can't seem to find any of your stuff."
      "That's because I scrubbed it and gave copies to my employer, aka you."
      "Why'd you do that?!"
      "You do remember the circumstances of my termination, do you not?"
      "Oh, yeah. Well, who exactly did you give it to?"
      "I gave them to you, personally - it was a stack of disks"
      "Ohhhh - I lost them"
      "Can't help you then"

      What pissed me off is that I really would have sent him copies, but I had either forgotten to make personal backups or lost the disks as well.

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    3. Re:I did it too, on a smaller scale by dtouchet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have a similar story from back in the early 80's, and I still laugh about it. I was a network admin for a very-small (4 PC) business. I also did other work for them. Short story is one day I left because they owed me overtime and refused to pay. I wrote down all the passwords on a piece of paper before I left. What can I say, I'm a boy scout. On top of this, I was making nothing (about $6/hour).

      Two days later, their lawyer calls me. I knew him because my boss was suing his sons for copyright infringement and he was around a lot. Long story, gold-digger new wife half his age involved.

      Lawyer: We need you to come back and show us how to use the passwords.
      Me: Sure, that'll be $25/hr.
      Lawyer: Well, that sounds fair, let me get back to you.

      A couple days later, same lawyer.

      Lawyer: We need you to come and fix the system you intentionally broke before you left. We'll pay you the $6/hr you were making when you worked for us.
      Me: Broke? Nah, you just don't have anyone else that knows about PC's and the boss is too stingy to hire someone. Let me guess the quote was high?
      Lawyer: Yes. But you really need to help them out.
      Me: Sure, if they pay me the back-overtime plus $50/hour. Also, the boss can't be there. I'll show anyone he wants how to login to the network and database.
      Lawyer: Let me get back to you.

      A couple days later, you guessed it.

      Lawyer: If you don't arrive at the office in 2 days we're filing suit against you.
      Me: Go ahead. Oh, and by the way, the price is $250/hr now, about what you make right?

      The office manager had the hots for me, so I was getting the inside scoop during the whole incident. They also never lost the paper but really didn't know how to login to Novell and the database. I found out they hired a 'consultant' that charged them $150/hr to reset the passwords. It's funny that he worked 40 hours to reset 3 passwords, 1 Novell, 1 PC, and 1 database, when they were written down in front of him. It's a shame when they just owed me $4000 in overtime, they instead paid some con-man $6000 to do 10 minutes of work. Oh, and the problem with the overtime is that they said it was a verbal agreement (with the gold-digger wife) and the boss never agreed to pay me overtime. The only good thing to come out of here is that I learned to require a signed piece of paper if you want me to do something.

      Oh, and the lawsuit...well, my cousin (a lawyer) sent a nicely worded letter to the lawyer and the lawsuit never happened. Come to think of it, the lawyer made out quite nicely too with that incident.

      Although, as an ethical IT guy, I would never purposely harm a computer system or network. I just think about what would happen if someone left me in that pickle and how I would feel about cleaning up the mess.

      -D

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      void r() { printf("recursion is "); r(); }
  33. New expression: by bickerdyke · · Score: 3, Funny

    "going municipal"?

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    bickerdyke
  34. Re:I hear... by miffo.swe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why yes, torture is only wrong when its done by some banana republic. Done right its the utmost expression of freedom, the american way of life and free speech.

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  35. Motive and Salary by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seems kind of funny that the article reports the DA is "tightlipped" about his motive. Makes me wonder if he is 'disgruntled' for a reason that would embarrass the agency if it got out.

    Also pretty funny that they go into great detail about his salary, which seems kind of low to me for the area or at least average. Sounds like they are trying to make him seem unsympathetic in the public eye.

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  36. Folks can see the writing on the wall by scuba_steve_1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Firing someone for poor performance (as opposed to firing someone for a single unacceptable action) takes time....and MUCH coordination...at least everywhere that I have worked.

    In a decently managed environment, the employee knows in advance that his management views his/her performance as unacceptable since the manager has discussed it with the employee and laid out a plan for improvement. Even an average employee could see the writing on the wall weeks/months in advance...but this individual was also using his administrative access to monitor related email messages.

    If his group comprised even a moderately-sized MIS group, you could pull his admin responsibilities and transfer him to a role with lesser rights during the period of performance review and monitoring...but this individual was most likely hired to do this very specific job...and there may not have been another position in to which he could transition naturally...even temporarily.

    My question - where are the backup tapes? Pull the tapes from a date prior to his manipulation of the system. Presumably, it should not be that long ago if they were ensuring that at least one other admin had routine access to the system. In such a case, they should have known within 24 hours that he had done something. If, on the other hand, he was a one man show, then I think that they are screwed until he gives up his password...which he will. Mark my word.

  37. Not on any Linux system by Chemisor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > on any Linux system you can log in in init 1 (runlevel 1)

    Anyone with even the slightest bit of security concern would put a restricted flag in the boot loader to prevent this sort of thing. The boot loader will then ask for the password to alter the boot command line. See RedHat docs for a howto.

    1. Re:Not on any Linux system by Nimey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Pfft. That's irrelevant if you've got physical access. You'd either pull the drive in question and attach to another operational machine, then change /etc/shadow, or you boot from a LiveCD and do the same.

      I'd assume there are other layers of security, though (poss. including encryption), and TFA doesn't say what operating system it runs on.

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      E pluribus sanguinem
  38. True but special case by Woundweavr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can you get into a system that has intentionally been locked off? And can you do so in a way that you're sure won't set off any little surprises that will, say, overwrite all backups with Star Trek Furry fan fiction, change who owns which files, e-mail/post confidential medical/legal data all over the interwebs, change data in a harmful way (switch names on booking records, for instance) and/or destroy all the relevant data?

    Their safest bet short term might be to not try to access the system at all really. Pull the storage media and hope its not encrypted.

    Now, we have no information indicating he's good enough to pull off some kind of massive lockdown in less than three weeks (even if he had planned something like this). But while you can always get access to a system if you have physical access, that doesn't mean you can get access with zero damage to the system.

  39. Yep by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In this case, it isn't even anything sinister. Basically they get a court order compelling him to give up the password. If he refuses, he's in contempt of court and they'll lock him up until he does. If that's for the rest of his life, well then that's how it goes. He has no grounds at all to challenge such an order so any appeals will get shot down.

    Basically they can just keep him in jail until he decides to give up the password. Most likely, this wont' be long at all. Sounds like this guy isn't a hardened criminal, just an asshole with an over inflated sense of self importance. I'm guessing after a few days he'll realise how much this sucks, and his lawyer will explain that he is in fact just going to sit here until he gives it up, and that the ultimate sentence he'll get will only get worse the longer he stonewalls.

  40. Re:ha by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course, if we all had wings, we'd fly. Then reality sets in. Can't change the past.

    I'm sure he was plenty stable until he became disgruntled, otherwise he wouldn't have ended up with the admin passwords, no?

  41. They clearly were correct in firing him by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anyone who'd be an asshole like this, doesn't deserve to be in a position of responsibility. Anyone who would do something like this, regardless of the work situation, doesn't deserve a job that has that kind of responsibility. While your situation at work may suck, your boss may be an asshole, etc, etc this sort of thing is just unacceptable. Goes double when you are in the public sector and you will be screwing over people who have nothing at all to do with the situation.

  42. TERRORISM?! by Nimey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Get fucked, asshole. The last thing this country needs is for butthurt pussies to define another ordinary crime as "terrorism" because they think a particular perp should be punished more "as an example" or because they're afraid.

    This is not terrorism. It's an act of sabotage by one individual (who should undergo a psych eval) who should be prosecuted to the extent of the law, and to a lesser extent it's a failure of leadership for his bosses.

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    Hail Eris, full of mischief...

    E pluribus sanguinem
  43. Technical background by DF5JT · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those who wonder what kind of working environment DTIS has:

    PeopleSofts HRMS 8.x application software.
    PeopleTools 8.4x, PeopleCode, SQL, SQR, COBOL, Application Engine, Oracle and HP/UNIX.
    IBM hosts and DB2
    Microsoft SQL Server 2000

    Just look for open positions and you know what they are running.

  44. he confused it with the terrorist business plan by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Funny

    Step 1: make bomb
    Step 2: go to spice market
    Step 3: asplode self and random shoppers
    Step 4: Prophet

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  45. Re:He gave 'codes' to the police by rodney+dill · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...the police did give the codes back, but now the city is mysteriously spending 20% more on police salarys.

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    Use your head, can't you, use your head,
    You're on earth, there's no cure for that
    - S. Beckett
  46. I remember ... by celle · · Score: 2, Funny

    When I was still in college I had heard of a programmer at one of the nearby companies had rigged the payroll system she wrote. I guess they hired her on little more than a vocal agreement and fired her after they thought the job was finished. Oddly enough she thought she had a long term job, go figure. Anyway, her payroll system was setup to payout $100,000 checks to every employee on payday one month after her name was off the rolls. Suffice it to say they had to hire her back with real terms of employment and she made them follow through with their previous agreement as well.

    Just remember, capitalism is a dog eat dog system. If you don't protect yourself, no one else will. Business and government are notorious for screwing people when its convenient and even when its not, even those they depend upon. Just remember, even if you have a glowing employee record, there's always going to be some prick above or even below you that can intentionally or unintentionally mess things up, that's when you don't do it yourself.

  47. Just stupid.... by mlwmohawk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I used to work at a bank. I was the "cash control teller" which means that I counted every single cash shipment into and out of the bank branch. Sometimes 1/2 million dollars.

    You know what? It isn't worth it. It isn't enough to live a good life on. If you get caught, the benefits do not out weight the risks.

    The same thing with this sort of hack. The guy screwed himself. He's ruined and will serve time in prison. "Everyone" (with any skills) knows you can get into any system you can physically touch.

    What is he going to get for his trouble? Will they pay him off and set him free? HA! no way. The worst that will happen is that they'll employ someone's 12 year old nephew to crack the system. Pay him off with a couple XBox games or a new PS3.

  48. Re:I bow to his guts by bberens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This guy is the reason the rest of us have to deal with such draconian security measures around the office place. He has made life worse for everyone he works with and everyone whose CEO reads about this in the newspaper.

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  49. Re:I bow to his guts by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Guts? Try foolishness. He might get away with it in a private company, may even have done it in the past.

    But, the government is a whole different ballgame. The government can arrest you and put you in prison. In fact, if a judge ordered him to provide the passwords and he refused, he could be found in contempt of court and jailed until he complied.

    No, fucking with the government in this manner is not gutsy, it is stupid and shortsighted.

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  50. Re:$150K salary+bonus!!?? by RichMeatyTaste · · Score: 2, Informative

    Remember, this is San Fran.
    Beautiful area of the country, but 150K doesn't go far out there.

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    Ever feel like you are driving the getaway car?
  51. Integrity by mlwmohawk · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you need a recognized code of ethics to tell you that sabotaging your ex-employer's system isn't right, then no code of ethics can help you.

    Integrity and reputation is typically more profitable than malice and destruction.

    I've been in the business a few years, and as you get older, you acquire positions of trust. You have too, you can't be "starting out" your whole career. This sort of behavior is a deal breaker. No one will hire him.

    When laid off or fired. Collect your stuff, shake hands with your boss, tell them what is left to be completed, politely and with insight, try to be constructive with any discussions on the exit interview. Even a complete moron will leave a better impression than the greatest genius.

    Once out, have a beer or two. Calm down. If you'r any good at all, when they are picking up the pieces of the layoff, they'll remember you attitude and professionalism and probably pay you contractor wages to do stuff while you collect unemployment and look for a new job.

  52. Unstable by Sanat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Back in the 80's I had an analyst working for me that seemed to become more unstable as each day passed.

    We had a big project that he was working on and making great progress but then he started feeling like the software he created was his and not the company's.

    I talked it over with the regional VP as we did not have any reason to fire this guy but yet feeling more flaky with him all of the time.

    Plus replacing him would set the project back months.

    So I went in each evening (only lived a mile from the office) and made a backup of the files just in case.

    The project was successful and in retrospect making the backups kept me sane and kept the pressure off of him that he would feel if I was nervous or watching him too closely.

    It seems we attract those things we fear.

    Dealing with brilliant but somewhat unstable (supposedly) individuals is a tricky balance and occasionally the situation can tip in the wrong direction.

    Sounds like this case in SF tipped all the way.

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    And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make
    1. Re:Unstable by rhizome · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The project was successful and in retrospect making the backups kept me sane and kept the pressure off of him that he would feel if I was nervous or watching him too closely.

      So, it sounds like his "instability" might have been entirely a figment of your imagination?

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      When I was a kid, we only had one Darth.
    2. Re:Unstable by Sanat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I will try not to be defensive... this episode took place over 25 years ago so all feelings and facts are not crystal clear any longer.

      He received a big promotion into the mainstream MIS division of our company (multi-national) after the successful worldwide implementation of the software. This was a low budget, high visibility project we did and together he and I pulled it off.

      Six months later he was escorted to the door with a police escort because of the MIS manager feared his retribution when he was let go.

      He was super skilled, very smart and self taught but was a loose cannon at the same time.

      I knew he was unstable to a degree... I was simply unsure to what degree and gave him the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure the pressure of the project added to it as well.

      When does being a little different from mainstream turn into a disgruntled Engineer hijacking a system?

      Sometimes that line is very fine. If the SF employee was handle a little differently by management/HR perhaps the system would not be hijacked nor would jail time be involved.

      Making the backups was my way of cooling the situation. If he did tip then nothing was lost except his future valuable service and if he did not tip then nothing was lost either. It was purely insurance against what seemed to be a shaky situation.

      What amount was a figment of my imagination?

      Probably more than I would like to admit but I was supervising (via team leaders) about 30 individuals at the time and he was the only one I felt this way about.

      Thanks for asking that question and giving me the chance to re-examine my feelings, thoughts and reflections.

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      And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make
    3. Re:Unstable by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I notice you didn't mention one crucial step: talking to the employee. I wonder what his take on the situation was?

      Most software developers are going to get invested in and protective of the systems they work on. In large part that's because they're proud of their work. It's also because they are the ones on the hook when things go south, regardless of who caused it. I don't know how often I've had this scenario play out:

      Boss: "Can we do $X?"
      Me: "Yes, we can. We'll need to approach it this way."
      Boss: "We don't to do it that way. Can we do it this other way instead?"
      Me: "Well, we can, but that's going straight against the way the system was designed to work. It'll be a kludge, and it'll make doing $Y all but impossible."
      Boss: "We aren't going to have to worry about $Y. Just do it."
      Me: "OK, but for the record I think it's a bad idea."

      Six months after $X goes live the way the boss wants:

      Boss: "Can we do $Y?" Me: "Afraid not, not without a major reworking of the system. Remember we discussed this back when we were implementing $X, I told you that doing it the way you wanted it done would make doing $Y all but impossible?"
      Boss: "WHAT! Why in blazes did you do it that way?! You knew we were going to do $Y! You incompetent idiot!"
      Me: "... *sigh*"

      After a few rounds like that, I get overly protective of the system design because the only way I know of to prevent that scenario is to stop it before it starts. And in at least one case it's resulted in me handing in my 2-weeks' notice to preserve my sanity.

  53. Re:I bow to his guts by Bromskloss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is not gutsy to do this. It is childish at best.

    Gutsy and childish aren't mutually exclusive, you know.

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  54. Re:I bow to his guts by Sandbags · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's the simple solution to avoid this issue:

    1) VPN access needs to be locked down tight, preferably admins should only be able to access company servers from static IPs. (they can access user level resources from anywhere using a different account name) It's a pain, but in a large firm with multiple admins, the ones on call should be typically at home. Other admins can update the IP list if needed.

    2) A master account should be created, with a password given in pieces to more than 1 person. Use a script, hidden somewhere in the system, that automatically resets this password once every hour or so. If some disgruntled admin changes it, it would reset itself soon enough. This script should be read only even to admins, so no one has permission to modify it. (the password file it uses should be accessible to the execs given parts of the password) It's not a perfect system, but it's pretty strong.

    3) each admin gets 2 accounts: an admin account and a user account. As much as is possible should be done as a user. Admins should never, under penalty of immediate termination, share their login credentials with another admin or user. (there should be no need if everyone has their own)

    4) login permission systems (Active directory, e-directory, whatever) need to be backed up daily to more than 1 location, and those files created should be read-only even to admins.

    When firing a technician, have someone logged in and working to disable the terminated admin's permissions at the same time he's being called in to HR to be fired. Terminate all sessions using his user name and make all other admins immediately reset their own passwords. Lock out the VPN account as well.

    Obviously in a small company with only 1 admin, this is nearly impossible. In that case, meticulous care in the backs is important (including getting rid of all tape based backup systems as they're easy to destroy) Also, meticulous care in the hiring process (and then continual treatment of the IT person) is critical. In general however, if you only have 1 IT person, it's usually better (and cheaper) to outsource.

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  55. Not so easy for sysadmins by phorm · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's just not that easy for a sysadmin, especially a major one. For myself, I've got passwords, SSH-keys, and many other access points everywhere in my company. It's not because I want to screw with them, but because they tend to call me at all sorts of different times and I never know if I'll need secure access to the server.

    So, routing rules from home. Public SSH keys on various border-servers with my USB-drive having the private keys, etc. They're all used for doing my job, and if I'm fired (not sure why I would be though) I'll just move on to the next one without tainting my career and doing something stupid to burn bridges. However, I could see a *bad* sysadmin using these same tools and more to entrench himself so deeply that you'd almost have to rebuild the entire infrastructure from scratch to find all the back-doors.

    If this guy was a real dick (but a clever+smart one), knew it, knew he was going to be canned, and prepared for it... then how are you going to know that your authentication methods, your binaries, or even your kernels haven't been messed with in some way? MD5 sums only go so far when you have hundreds of systems tied together.

  56. please don't bring up that selfish bitch by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    rand, the bitch who perfected the philosophy of selfishness

    basic altruism trumps genius

    every time

    a solitary selfish genius is routed by a coordinated effort of retards working for the benefit of the group, every time

    rand loses. her philosophy is inadequate to survive in this world

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  57. Resignation Letter by phorm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here it is...

    Dear Mr. Baker,

    As an employee of an institution of higher education, I have few very basic expectations. Chief among these is that my direct superiors have an intellect that ranges above the common ground squirrel. After your consistent and annoying harassment of my co-workers and me during our commission of duties, I can only surmise that you are one of the few true genetic wastes of our time.

    Asking me, a network administrator, to explain every nuance of everything I do each time you happen to stroll into my office is not only a waste of time, but also a waste of precious oxygen. I was hired because I know how to network computer systems, and you were apparently hired to provide amusement to your employees, who watch you vainly attempt to understand the concept of "cut and paste" as it is explained to you for the hundredth time.

    You will never understand computers. Something as incredibly simple as binary still gives you too many options. You will also never understand why people hate you, but I am going to try and explain it to you, even though I am sure this will be just as effective as telling you what an IP is. Your shiny new iMac has more personality than you ever will.

    You wander around the building all day, shiftlessly seeking fault in others. You have a sharp dressed, useless look about you that may have worked for your interview, but now that you actually have responsibility, you pawn it off on overworked staff, hoping their talent will cover for your glaring ineptitude. In a world of managerial evolution, you are the blue-green algae that everyone else eats and laughs at. Managers like you are a sad proof of the Dilbert principle.

    Seeing as this situation is unlikely to change without you getting a full frontal lobotomy reversal, I am forced to tender my resignation; however, I have a few parting thoughts:

    When someone calls you in reference to employment, it is illegal for you to give me a bad recommendation as I have consistently performed my duties and even more. The most you can say to hurt me is, "I prefer not to comment." To keep you honest, I will have friends randomly call you over the next couple of years, because I know you would be unable to do it on your own.

    I have all the passwords to every account on the system and I know every password you have used for the last five years. If you decide to get cute, I will publish your "Favorites," which I conveniently saved when you made me "back up" your useless files. I do believe that terms like "Lolita" are not viewed favorably by the university administrations.

    When you borrowed the digital camera to "take pictures of your mother's b-day," you neglected to mention that you were going to take nude pictures of yourself in the mirror. Then, like the techno-moron you are, you forgot to erase them. Suffice it to say, I have never seen such odd acts with a ketchup bottle. I assure you that those photos are being kept in safe places pending your authoring of a glowing letter of recommendation. (And, for once, would you please try to use spellcheck? I hate correcting your mistakes.)

    I expect the letter of recommendation on my desk by 8:00 am tomorrow. One word of this to anybody and all of your twisted little repugnant obsessions will become public knowledge. Never f*ck with your systems administrator, Mr. Baker! They know what you do with all that free time!

    Sincerely

    David Blocker

    Network Administrator

    1. Re:Resignation Letter by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also, I'm unclear as to the legal theories by which a bad recommendation could be illegal.

      That's because giving a negative reference is perfectly legal (1st Amendment and all), but it is generally not good business practice. The reason is, as you note, the potential for legal action accusing company of libel/slander/defamation.

      I am a landlord, and this applies in my business for renters. Landlords get sued all the time for negative references, so some won't give references at all. Those of us who do simply remove any subjectivity from the conversation (who can really say if a renter was "clean", "a good neighbor", etc.?).

      The way I handle it is to get permission from an applicant to seek references from former landlords, fax that permission letter to the former landlord, along with the following questions:

      1. What were the applicant's rental beginning and ending date?
      2. What is the amount of rent paid by the applicant?
      3. Would you want to rent to applicant in the future?

      The answers to those questions tell me everything I need to know from that reference. We never get into if he paid rent on time, or often he was late, or if he damaged the unit, etc. These are all things that could be debated in a court of law (is rent on time if it's paid after the first but before late fees kick in?, was that damage or was it really normal wear and tear?) On the other hand, the answer to question #3 could be "no" for any number of reasons, but it is not debatable, because it asks the landlord specifically for his opinion, and only he knows his own opinion. No one can question whether or not that is his opinion.

      Incidentally, I don't ask the former landlord if applicant was evicted or caused damages. This information is public record, so I already know.

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      They don't grade fathers, but if your daughter's a stripper, you fucked up. --Chris Rock
  58. I have an vaguely similar situation by Copperhamster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Box in the warehouse has a bios boot password. It is clearable, but there's a problem, the hard drives are 'locked' and are only unlocked by a code stored in the bios during later part of boot. And clearing the bios boot password also clears the lock code.

    The guy who set it up drove his car through a red light and got his neck broken. He apparently didn't write down this password.

    They ended up sending one set of the mirrored drives to a data recovery house.

    Fortunately it was not mission critical, merely 'important' data.

    So I'm sure it's doable to make the situation untenable 'on purpose'.

  59. Re:ha by kesuki · · Score: 3, Interesting

    i know this is /. but straight from TFA, one of his supervisors tried to get the guy canned, and Failed, from there on, he had a couple weeks with his usual permissions, and he set up a program to check what people were reporting about him, as well as set (obviously) a time bomb that would only go off if he didn't have access to reset the time bomb that would make him the only guy with a working password.

    I think ironically, that someone working there, Disabled his Password (he reportedly gave one to police) then his time bomb went off leaving the system with NO passwords at all,

    and to compound things, they've been using the system 'as-is' because they need it desperately, to do daily jobs. what's going to happen when they find out the whole setup was left password less, the past month of data encrypted and irretrievable, and the only way for admins to work on it is by losing a months worth of data?

    and here's the thing, TFA is completely tainted with 'worst case scenarios' they totally assume he gave them wrong passwords (ignoring the fact that it might have been a 'time bomb' leaving the system password less) and also assume that he might have given people on the outside access to the system, with no proof... they also think he has it set so he can destroy data with a cell phone, i mean come on, get real he had like a week or two to plan this from when his supervisor tried to fire him, until they finally fired him..

    IMO this guy had a personal disagreement with his manager, and was fired because that guy was working full time trying to find a way to fire someone he disliked.. considering he earned an extra 30k as a trouble shooter and was able to pull off a time bomb, i'm sure he knew what he was doing with technology...

  60. Declare him a terrorist by thc4k · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. declare him a terrorist
    2. torture him
    3. ???? [redacted for national security reasons]
    4. password!

  61. Re:Right to remain silent... by Dimitrii · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to the Untied States Supreme Court in Doe v. United States, 487 U.S. 201 (1988), a defendant's right to remain silent means that a defendant cannot be compelled to provide a combination to a safe, even though he could be compelled to turn over a copy of a key to a lock box. I wonder if the court in California will follow this or will he be compelled to divulge the password.

    Slight difference here is that the password is a work product not owned by him. It is not the combination of his own safe, or his own password to his system. Don't know if it will play out that way.

  62. Laugh or cry? by Spazmania · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't know whether to laugh or cry. What kind of incompetence does it take on the part of the rest of the system administrators there to be unable to regain access to a system to which they have physical access?

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  63. Charming. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Way to play into the hands of the beast. This stuff is set up exactly so that the ignorant can 'tip' past the critical threshold and become monsters.

    If everybody thought like you, then we might as well be living under Saddam Hussein.

    There are always better solutions than the ones which hot emotion dishes out as the fast and dirty answer. Just skimming the first few feet of posts, already half a dozen people have pointed out that with physical access to the system, it takes relatively little effort to crack a password.

    Everybody I've met who I've had the chance to really discuss this with are usually only looking for an excuse to hurt people because they get off on it. There's a reason S&M is popular with some people, often in sexually repressed people, (i.e., Republicans). Torture NEVER truly has anything to do with the stated reasons. It's always about justifying the feeding of dark appetites, because in the dark recesses of the mind, it feels good to cause pain. This is what drives school yard bullies and psychopaths. Some people hide from this reality and do not admit it, others know it is true which gives them the choice to deliberately resonate on a different level and change into beings who are naturally repelled by the mere idea of torture, whereas others jump right in and become evil.

    What do you want to become?

    -FL

  64. Carefully Constructed Groupthink (Long) by mpapet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm intrigued by the carefully constructed character assassination that went into this article. I am disappointed others did not see how the information in this article was delivered in such a way as to shift all of the blame to the employee.

    There is no doubt the employee did lots of wrong things that deserved dismissal. I am not arguing for his position at all.

    Note carefully, that while the guy has the admin password, it's the source of the story that has shifted the blame entirely to the employee. By adding "we're afraid he's going to bring an IT Armageddon to the city of San Francisco!" to a very poorly managed situation, management is off the hook.

    The story *should* be a cautionary tale. Where are the management procedures to prevent this kind of event? Don't ever discuss fragile IT systems, that are running mostly on blind faith. How about management's total incompetence in this episode?

    Nope. Instead the blame conveniently shifts away from the OTHER responsible party in this story.

    Let this be a cautionary tale for those with company IT "by the balls." Hopefully, you won't do some of the horrible things purportedly done by this fellow. You deserve to be fired if you make those kinds of bad choices.

    Note how ridiculously easy it is for Management to publicly discredit you and bring your IT career to a swift end using anecdotal evidence. As this story so elegantly exemplifies, it is very common, and people would really do that to you and not lose a minute of sleep. You would have no forum with which to air your side of the story either...

    My approach to bringing some balance to the situation is to make my IT role as transparent as possible. Which, means basically, lots of documentation.

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  65. Not disgruntled, a big loser by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you're making $150K/yr remotely from Pittsburgh you have no right to be disgruntled. It sounded like a sweet deal, I don't really care what kind of assholes you have to deal with at work. You make a decent living and it doesn't sound like it was very hard work. Especially if he had time to stage a monitoring system and hijack the entire network.

    As someone who lives in the Bay Area I am insulted that we will have to incur this additional expense because some whiny baby was unhappy with his posh job.

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    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  66. Plan Ahead by BigFoot48 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I fired our IT manager I had an employee changing his access rights at the same time I was giving him the bad news. It's a "Duh" sort of thing.

  67. The perfect litmus test by Starglider · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If they were using symmetric cryptography correctly, it could be virtually impossible to recover any of the information without first recovering the password.

    Actually, this is the perfect way to test the strength of symmetric encryption algorithms. For those cryptographers with tin-foil hats (http://www.schneier.com/essay-198.html), seeing how long it will take for various three lettered agencies to recover the data will illuminate a previously dark room containing the question, "How safe is your data really?" It seems to me that this guy is doing the whole cryptography community a favor.

    1. Re:The perfect litmus test by Lost+Race · · Score: 2, Insightful

      seeing how long it will take for various three lettered agencies to recover the data will illuminate a previously dark room containing the question, "How safe is your data really?"

      During World War II, the Allies allowed convoys to be attacked, ships sunk, people killed, in order not to reveal to the Germans that their codes had been broken. The TLAs would probably sacrifice all of San Francisco to keep their ability to crack AES keys a secret.

    2. Re:The perfect litmus test by torkus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Unless there was the possibility of the general public finding out of course. Does anyone seriously thing WW2 tactics mentioned by parent would fly in today's government? I mean ... we're at WAR and the news papers were (and to a large degree still are) more interested in individual casualty counts than progress being made.

      Now, as long as the TLA's are assure they won't get called out...they'll gladly keep this a secret.

      The real problem is the password is probably stupid/embarassing '1.l0v3.g@y-t33n@ge^b0yZ' or similar. I think i'd rather sit in jail at that point too.

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  68. Two words by pjt33 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Damp matches.

  69. Re:ha by snowgirl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    IMO this guy had a personal disagreement with his manager, and was fired because that guy was working full time trying to find a way to fire someone he disliked.. considering he earned an extra 30k as a trouble shooter and was able to pull off a time bomb, i'm sure he knew what he was doing with technology...

    Been there, done that... well, without the sabotage. I fought back, and managed to stave off being fired for about a year or so, but once I realized my boss was going to do anything and everything to get me fired? I pretty much worked on Wikipedia the rest of my time there. I tried to do real work, but his restrictions, deadlines, and everything simply made doing real work intractable.

    I'm supposing that he and the company I worked for are better off that it never came to my mind to sabotage anything... they treated me like crap, abused me every way possible, blamed me for every mistake. While I had complained about his behavior, the company's investigation came up with, I was told, "absolutely nothing". Then they offered me money in exchange for giving up all my grievances against them.

    I think they were most afraid that I could start a suit, then request all my records for disclosure, and it didn't look pretty. I can't imagine a jury in the world, who would listen to my story and not side with me.

    This whole experience has shown me the benefits of a union, because when the whole company gets turned against you, there's nothing you can do inside the company to have your concerns actually considered... those "impartial investigators"? Yeah, no... they're being paid by the company. If they tell the employee that the company was liable for something, then that employee goes off and sues the company.

    Feel glad when you're on the good side of a company you work for... I've been on the other side, and it was the worst time of my life.

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  70. LiveCDs don't work on domain accounts by George_Ou · · Score: 2, Insightful

    LiveCDs don't work on domain accounts. Even if you can get access to the unencrypted SAM file which has the hashed passwords, you can only break it through brute-force hash comparisons if the password is relatively simple. If it's 16-characters random with special symbols and numbers and upper case, you can pretty much forget it. You can however retrieve all your data if the systems are not encryped but you'd need to re-setup your Active Directory from scratch.

  71. Something tells me that there is more to this by moxley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Something tells me that there is more to this story.

    People don't usually hold out like that after being arrested just because they don't want to lose their job.

    My guess is that there is something politcal going on where there shouldn't be or shouldn't have been - he may be standing on principal.

  72. Simplest solution for the future... by ObsidianBlk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The simplest solution when it comes to firing the "admin"... have an equal or higher level admin lock the fired employee out of the system BEFORE telling him (s)he's fired! *shrugs* I bet that would solve 99% of these cases, and nobody would have to worry about their data... just the employee coming back with a shotgun :-/ Just my thought.

  73. Re:ha by IntlHarvester · · Score: 3, Informative

    IMO this guy had a personal disagreement with his manager, and was fired because that guy was working full time trying to find a way to fire someone he disliked.. considering he earned an extra 30k as a trouble shooter and was able to pull off a time bomb, i'm sure he knew what he was doing with technology...

    And this incident proves the manager was completely in the right to get rid of him. No amount of tech skills are worth the damage that an unprofessional employee can cause.

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  74. Did he really? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see a lot of claims that he did this. But all I see are claims.

      - That he locked everybody else out.
      - That he gave them a fake set of passwords.
      - That he refuses to give them "the real one(s)".

    And I don't see word one from him.

    Is this what really happened?

    I can imagine a number of scenarios where we'd see this external claim when, in fact, it's NOT what happened. For instance:

    1) After firing the sysadmin they didn't like on the second attempt, management tries to change the passwords and fumbles it. They demand "the real passwords". He gives them what he has. It doesn't work. So:
      a) They do a scapegoat operation on him to cover their own incompetence.
      b) They're so incompetent that they don't even realize what happened, and honestly go after him for the crimes they believe he committed.

    2) The system got pwn3d about the time they fired him. (Maybe just before, leading to the firing of the already-disliked employee. Maybe just after.)

    And I could go on.

    Now I have no reason to believe that he DIDN'T do it, either. (After all, it turns out Hans DID kill Nina...) But I see a government agency with a hung system doing a major smear job in the press, with lots of accusations and no details or evidence. And I see all the other posters taking as given that the accusations are true.

    Let's reserve judgment until we hear what the evidence actually is, shall we? (If nothing else, they guy deserves a fair trial when it finally gets that far. It's going to be hard to find an uncontaminated jury at the rate things are going.)

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  75. Very keen observation by JohnnyComeLately · · Score: 2, Informative

    Having good knowledge of events, concepts and other things published by mainstream media at a later date, you've really hit the nail on the head on what I've observed, with regards to reporters. Reporters most of the time don't have the technical acumen to realize the nuances of what they're reporting, the context and when to spot bad data. Eg. While reporting an accident, they blindly take the "speed was a factor" quote from police. Since parked cars rarely spontaneously collide, it's a falsehood. When GPS was new in the early 90's I read multiple articles that stated, "GPS tracks your movements". Ummmmm....no. The satellites have no clue how many users are out there and where they may be.

    In a few weeks this will blow over, they'll get their access back, the guy will be in jail and none of what was reported in the FA will come to pass. A few managers may get fired for being incompetent though, which you saw no mention of in the article.

  76. Re:ha by Swampash · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This whole experience has shown me the benefits of a union

    I've been in a situation similar to yours, and instead of pointing me towards union membership it pointed me towards only working for companies and people whom I respect and by whom I feel respected.