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China Races To Clean Up Olympic Air

Hugh Pickens writes "With the Olympics due to start in less than three weeks, Beijing is cranking up antipollution measures by yanking cars off the roads, expanding mass transit and staggering work hours in a bid to meet its pledge of a 'green' Olympics. Beijing has gone on a spending spree, relocating factories, seeding clouds, retiring old vehicles, planting millions of trees and halting building construction amid concerns that athletes and visitors could suffer breathing problems. For the next two months, owners of 3.3 million private cars can drive only on alternate days in China's capital, based on whether the last digit of their license plates is even or odd. Environmental and sports performance experts have cast doubt on the effectiveness of the measures taken so far. 'Arguably these are all short-term measures, just designed to control air quality for the time when the Olympics are on,' says Dr Andy Jones. Dr Angus Hunter warned that athletes are at risk for low performance if the air quality cannot be brought down to acceptable levels. 'Average times could be lower and the chances of records being broken become less. It's a bit like trying to exercise in a room when the gym is full of smokers.'"

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  1. Chairman Mao says take the bus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That would be such a neat ad campaign. You could show Mao smiling as he holds a bus pass. I think it would work well in California too.

    1. Re:Chairman Mao says take the bus! by 4D6963 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're aware he's been dead for over 30 years, are you? Not only would the credibility of "Chairman Mao says" be quite impacted by this fact, but also I'm afraid the photo on the ad wouldn't look so glamorous. On the other hand you'd be guaranteed he'd make the largest smile he's ever made on a photo.

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    2. Re:Chairman Mao says take the bus! by bersl2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Such propoganda posters are often artistic works, not photographs.

    3. Re:Chairman Mao says take the bus! by wattrlz · · Score: 2, Funny

      He's not dead, he's just resting.

    4. Re:Chairman Mao says take the bus! by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Funny

      With all apologies to Eddie Izzard and Chairman Mao:

      Little Red Bus Pass!
      Little Red Bus Pass!
      Little Red Bus Pass!

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    5. Re:Chairman Mao says take the bus! by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Such propoganda posters are often artistic works, not photographs.

      Wait, are you saying Jesus didn't pose for the Buddy Christ?

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    6. Re:Chairman Mao says take the bus! by H0p313ss · · Score: 5, Funny

      woooosh!

      Ha! The whoosh is on you! My post was a joke.

      For small values of joke.

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    7. Re:Chairman Mao says take the bus! by Narpak · · Score: 3, Funny

      Which is why the ad should be Mao, Regan and Kennedy taking the bus together arm in arm.

    8. Re:Chairman Mao says take the bus! by NuclearBovineBoy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, old statues and posters of Mao sell quite well in China nowadays as kitchy half-ironic antiques, so I imagine a "Mao says buy bus passes" ad campaign could succeed.

  2. Just now? by IronWilliamCash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If only they would do this for the right reasons... They'll be cleaning up for the olympics but it will all go back to hell as soon as it's over. They should try to solve the problem permanently instead of suppressing it so others think it's livable over there.

    1. Re:Just now? by DriedClexler · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I apologize profusely for not posting this in a more relevant spot, and for not finding where I originally heard this suggested, but, one interesting theory is that the reason for this nearly doubling of oil prices in the past year is that China is stockpiling it to run diesel instead of coal plants, so as to clean up their air for the olympics.

      Considering how inscrutable these recent price increases have been, this one seems really good at explaining things. Just a thought.

      For now, check out item 3 from a while ago, which mentions China trying to clean up for the Olympic games, and how they're importing more diesel.

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    2. Re:Just now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      They've spent a fortune relocating factories including one of the world's biggest steelworks. They are not going to spend a fortune moving them all back again. They are not going to close the new metro lines. Even some of the temporary measures may have long term effects; people using the new transport networks while their cars are banned may switch permanently. This isn't just window dressing.

      That said, I returned from Beijing a week ago and the smog is terrible. I still have a very nasty cough. Though the air quality is much improved, it's still rubbish.

    3. Re:Just now? by HairyCanary · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, I'm glad they are working so hard. At this point it's way too late to save their image. Even if they cut the pollution to zero for the Olympics it will be a hot topic. Every day on the news we hear about how hard they're working to solve the problem, and we get bombarded with pictures of how bad the situation is. China's pollution needed to be exposed to the world, now it is.

    4. Re:Just now? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      China is stockpiling it to run diesel instead of coal plants, so as to clean up their air for the olympics.

      I am not an expert on large power plants (in fact I know next to nothing about them which is why I'm posting here on Slashdot) but I'd be pretty surprised if you could just take an coal fired powerplant and just plug a diesel tanker into it. If your idea were true, you should see huge changes around the plants - construction of the tanks for one thing as diesel just doesn't form nice large piles like coal does.

      Take the tin-foil off, you'll feel better.

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    5. Re:Just now? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 5, Funny

      The residents of Beijing just need to inhale deeply just before the games end and hold it for the rest of their lives.

      Problem solved!

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    6. Re:Just now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      China is making many efforts to go towards a greener future, and 3 of their changes do sound rather long term.

      >> relocating factories
      >> retiring old vehicles
      >> planting millions of trees

      Besides this they have been researching sustainable cities for a while now.

    7. Re:Just now? by barzok · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They should try to solve the problem permanently instead of suppressing it so others think it's livable over there.

      They aren't doing it for image purposes, to make people think that "it's livable over there."

      They're doing it because they've been told that events will be postponed or canceled to protect the health of the athletes if the air quality is poor.

      Which, yes, could ultimately come back to their image, but really it's about the money & what happens if scheduled events have to be canceled.

    8. Re:Just now? by initdeep · · Score: 2, Interesting

      then why dont they just sign onto the kyoto protocol at the same level that other developed (read the united states) countries are supposed to.

      oh wait.......

      China is the single largest user of coal power and also the single dirtiest and most unsafe user as well.

      the average death rate for chinese coal workers is more than 10/day iirc.

    9. Re:Just now? by initdeep · · Score: 5, Insightful

      and most of that air quality has to do with the coal power plants which run with no emission controls like other countries have.

      they haven't, and are not, going to change that.

      it's something they have literally hundreds of years of supply, and something they can get for next to nothing in the way of costs, unlike oil based products which they have to import.

      and they aren't interested in spending money on economically friendly "alternative" energy sources that wouldn't supply 1% of their needs when they can again, spend next to nothing (including wages and other costs) to just use something they have.
      COAL.

    10. Re:Just now? by initdeep · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it has been for years.

      witness the very reason the kyoto protocol treaty was not ratified by the US despite a cetain person's desire.

      it was bullshit.

      and now everyone knows it.

      and the biggest reason it was bullshit was because china and india weren't going to be held accountable for their actions.

      and the "Developed" countries were, yet they already have in place protocols to limit their emissions.

      amazing how it comes full circle.

    11. Re:Just now? by techiemikey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yes, that would be great. Unfortunately, they have 3 weeks until many athletes are competing in the highest level of competition there is. In order to do it so that it will last beyond the Olympics they should have started sooner. That being said, at least they are doing something for the time being. If the US was holding the Olympics in LA, i'm willing to bet we would have just told the other countries to live with it.

    12. Re:Just now? by rronda · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is a good side to it. Usually is very expensive to perform a large scale air quality experiment in a city like Beijing. This will be useful to scientists to test models under different conditions than the normal operation of the city, and the impact of some of these measures on air quality, so more informed decision making can be made when trying to solve the problem for good.

    13. Re:Just now? by Ced_Ex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Granted China may be the single largest user of coal power, however, if you consider the pollution on a per person basis, the Chinese are polluting far less than most developed nations.

      I know for a fact, that Canadians are one of the most wasteful users of water, and the reason is because we have a lot and take fresh clean water for granted.

      Perhaps before we start pointing fingers, we should start with ourselves and set better examples?

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    14. Re:Just now? by Alzheimers · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The US: We're not over-polluting, we're under-overpopulated!

    15. Re:Just now? by DriedClexler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh come on, the tin-foil accusation is low and very misplaced. The theory proposes precisely ONE agent acting. ONE. As in, "not a conspiracy". 95% of the theory is already public knowledge:

      -Oil prices have ~doubled.
      -China wants to look good for the olympics, including having clean air.
      -Diesel is cleaner than coal.
      -China has already done lots of other things to clean up.
      -China has massively increased imports of refined diesel.
      -Developing countries were known to be growing rapidly since at least '04, yet it didn't seem to justify $100+ oil then.
      -Ditto for pretty much every other factor that can account for increasing oil prices.

      And you can probably even look up the fraction of global oil recently bought by China, satellite images of power plant mods, etc.

      This is no tin-foil hat theory.

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    16. Re:Just now? by Slowping · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm no China apologist, but I wonder if people are dismissing the long-lasting impacts of these efforts. Big political events such as the Olympics are great motivators for change and innovation in the same way as wars; and in much more agreeable conditions. A significant amount of spending and change that Bejing is instituting here is indeed short term; but not without some residual long-lasting impacts for Bejing and other cities. Even if the enviro-friendly spending is cut to a fraction of what it is now, the experience and momentum gained is non-trivial, IMHO. 10 years from now while the developed Western world is still holding each others' dicks and talking about policy change, we may wake up to find China as the underdog that beat everyone to the punch. I have no doubt that the central political forces in China would love to deal such a large international political blow.

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    17. Re:Just now? by Lincolnshire+Poacher · · Score: 2, Informative

      > something they can get for next to nothing in the way of costs, unlike oil based products which they have to import.

      You'll love this...

      Yes, China has vast internal coal potential. Internal in terms of geography - it is far from the coastal regions where it is most needed. Initially the coal was transported by rail, but this used too much precious diesel so instead China now imports coal by sea. Yes, imports.

      http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10795813

      China is currently consuming around 30% of global coal production.

    18. Re:Just now? by Narpak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Becoming more energy efficient and reducing our emission in any sensible way we can is a very reasonable path to take. Saying we shouldn't do it because China isn't doing anything isn't an argument.

    19. Re:Just now? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you have more water than you can store, then it's not wasting it if you use more than you need. On the other hand, citizens of the US use far more than our share. On the gripping hand, our government uses much of that (and dictates how we shall use much of the rest of it) and isn't really listening to us any more (if it ever did.)

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    20. Re:Just now? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      and most of that air quality has to do with the coal power plants which run with no emission controls like other countries have.

      I hate to break it to you, but at least in the US the average coal plant is way over the allowable limit of emissions. We can find out-of-compliance coal plants in the US as fast as we can secure money to send people up smokestacks to check emissions. I know one person formerly in the stack-sniffing business with whom I have discussed the situation (among others) and it's very, very dirty.

      and they aren't interested in spending money on economically friendly "alternative" energy sources that wouldn't supply 1% of their needs when they can again, spend next to nothing (including wages and other costs) to just use something they have.

      The overall cost of burning fossil fuels is much higher than they think. Cancer rates doubled in the industrial revolution.

      China isn't really known for paying its laborers fairly anyway, I'm sure they could do solar and wind quite cheaply. They are working on bringing up wind power, but not as hard as they're working on coal.

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    21. Re:Just now? by nomadic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      if you consider the pollution on a per person basis, the Chinese are polluting far less than most developed nations.

      When you're talking about a finite resource like clean air, a per capita analysis is worthless, the total effect is what's important. China has 1 billion+ people.

    22. Re:Just now? by Ced_Ex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      if you consider the pollution on a per person basis, the Chinese are polluting far less than most developed nations.

      When you're talking about a finite resource like clean air, a per capita analysis is worthless, the total effect is what's important. China has 1 billion+ people.

      You have to consider a per capita basis... it's sort of like sitting at the dinner table with the fat guy with the overflowing plate telling the bunch skinny guys with a single pea on their plates to eat less.

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    23. Re:Just now? by comp.sci · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What kind of an argument is this? Some of the other guys aren't playing nice so we won't either? Let's keep things in perspective, China and India, while both becoming economically strong, are still to some degree developing countries. India's yearly budget for health spending is $4 per person, just to give an example. You are saying that if an impoverished country like them doesn't put in an equal amount of effort then you shouldn't either... I think people don't realize how big the gap is between developed and developing countries. I personally believe that since we got so lucky on where we were born, we also have a moral obligation to work towards better chances for future generations to enjoy the same prosperity as we do. And yes, that includes taking initiative ourselves, showing that we are above silly fights like that. We need to stop seeing this as a competition but as a collective effort to improve this world.

    24. Re:Just now? by Arccot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      then why dont they just sign onto the kyoto protocol at the same level that other developed (read the united states) countries are supposed to.

      oh wait.......

      China is the single largest user of coal power and also the single dirtiest and most unsafe user as well.

      the average death rate for chinese coal workers is more than 10/day iirc.

      They're also a massive manufacturing center and exporting superpower. It's easy to tell China to shape up, when the only reason wealthy Western countries are relatively cleaner is because they outsource most dirty manufacturing to China.

    25. Re:Just now? by dodobh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions_per_capita indicates that the US emitted 22.9 tonnes of CO2 per capita, China was at 3.9 tonnes, and India was at a measly 1.8 tonnes per capita. The US should have been emitting ~ 0.8 tonnes per capita of CO2 to be equitable to India, twice that for China.

      After all, all that India and China are asking for is the same quality of life for their citizens as enjoyed by the more "developed" nations. Perhaps you need to rethink your assumptions here.

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    26. Re:Just now? by Solandri · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They've spent a fortune relocating factories including one of the world's biggest steelworks. They are not going to spend a fortune moving them all back again. They are not going to close the new metro lines. Even some of the temporary measures may have long term effects; people using the new transport networks while their cars are banned may switch permanently. This isn't just window dressing.

      While public transport use is definitely a plus, moving the factories is probably a net negative. The factories were probably initially located there for a reason - availability of labor, proximity to customers. Moving them doesn't reduce the pollution, it simply shifts it to a different location. Forcing workers into longer commutes and increasing transport distance to customers causes an overall increase in pollution.

    27. Re:Just now? by griffjon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To be fair, while China consumes 1,310,000,000 billion short tons of coal (and is the top coal consumer, 28.7% in these numbers); the US, with a fraction of the population, is right behind it at #2 with 1,060,000,000 B short tons (23.3%)

      China is 16th worldwide in coal-per-capita; US is 5th, behind South Africa, N. Korea, Greece, and at #1 coal-per-capita, Australia, oddly enough.

      More fun stats via http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_coa_con-energy-coal-consumption

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    28. Re:Just now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      The US: We're not over-polluting, we're under-overpopulated!

      That depends if you are counting number of people or pounds of flesh...

    29. Re:Just now? by TheTranceFan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah I was in Beijing about a year ago. They had started many of the air-quality programs already, such as banning scooters on the innermost two ring-roads that encircle Beijing and limiting new-construction permits.

      This (poor-quality) snapshot of the Bird's Nest from a moving taxi: Bird's Nest might give you an idea of what visibility was like while I was there.

      When I was there I really came the conclusion that:

      a) there was no conceivable way they could really improve the air quality enough in a year
      b) Beijing was not going to be remembered as a "great Olympic venue."

      I applaud their effort, for sure. They can't be faulted for trying, and try hard they did. But I think it's a little difficult to undo millennia of environmental neglect in a few years.

      BTW, I still think Beijing is a very interesting place and I look forward to visiting it again. I'm just glad I'm not going to be doing any 100-m dashes while I'm there.

    30. Re:Just now? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Informative

      For this reason I never understood why China and India were left off of Kyoto.

      You didn't understand why China and India were left off of Kyoto?

      Let me explain - China said that they wouldn't sign Kyoto if it set binding CO2 targets on China. Just like China said recently that they won't sign the Kyoto follow-on if it requires binding targets for China.

      Ditto for India.

      Note that one of the arguments used to try to convince the USA to sign Kyoto was that China would sign on to binding targets in the next go-round of the Treaty. I notice that when China and India said that they wouldn't sign on to the next round, noone bothered to mention that the USA seemed to have been right about that point after all....

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    31. Re:Just now? by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They're also a massive manufacturing center and exporting superpower. It's easy to tell China to shape up, when the only reason wealthy Western countries are relatively cleaner is because they outsource most dirty manufacturing to China.

      True, but only because the governments of Western nations impose all sorts of enviromental regulations making it too cost prohibited to manufacture locally.

      Basically, it's the whole concept of "the path of least resistance" in action.

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    32. Re:Just now? by DarthJohn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm gonna go ahead and reveal (yet again) how stupid I am. Here we go...

      How can you waste water? It's water. It evaporates, rains over the mountains, runs back to the oceans and repeats the process.

      What's it matter if I let a bit extra run down the drain?

      The only thing to waste is (I think) the energy used in the purification process. Somebody used some energy to clean the water and transport it. If I then pour that water down the drain, the energy was wasted.

      Is that it? The wasted energy cleaning and transporting it? I mean... we're not seriously going to run out of water are we? We just might run out of energy to process and transport it.

      p.s.
      I'm trying to ask a question and not be confrontational. I'm not saying that conserving water is a bad thing. I just want to be clear as to why we need to conserve water. I'm sure this is a stupid question and I'm an idiot.

    33. Re:Just now? by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Energy consumption is roughly proportional to economic output (roughly, obviously there are many factors in play) so it should come as no surprise that the US, with a larger economy than China, consumes similar amounts of coal.

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    34. Re:Just now? by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cancer rates doubled in the industrial revolution.

      This is an astonishingly pointless thing to say. Cancer is, for the most part, something you get to die of when you're old. Life expectancy went up, more people got old, thus more people got cancer.

      For the most part, increased cancer rates have been a good thing. Cancer rates have, IIRC, tripled over the past hundred years or so. This is not because the environment is now loaded with carcinogens. Rather it is because people die less and less of things like heart attacks, strokes, accidents, etc., leaving more people to die of cancer instead.

      The number you want is incidence of cancer at any particular age, and even then you must be extremely careful not to get your numbers skewed because of improved detection.

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  3. Air quality by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    athletes are at risk for low performance if the air quality cannot be brought down to acceptable levels

    Shouldn't that be "athletes are at risk for low performance if the air quality cannot be brought up to acceptable levels"?

  4. Environmental Wackos by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    China is the one of the worst, if not THE WORST environmental disasters this world has ever had. They are having one HELL of a time trying to clean up the mess they've created for themselves.

    By the time the Olympics comes around, I hope that the Chineese government has enough Egg Foo Young on their face to cause them to loose face to the whole world.

    Then maybe, just maybe they'll clean up their act. Naaaa, what I am thinking.

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    1. Re:Environmental Wackos by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Insightful

      China is the one of the worst, if not THE WORST environmental disasters this world has ever had. They are having one HELL of a time trying to clean up the mess they've created for themselves.

      At least they seem to be acknowledging the problem for once.

      It's not much, but it's a start.

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    2. Re:Environmental Wackos by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree with you in general regarding China's pollution problem, but the racist overtones (Egg Foo Young?) are unnecessary.

      That said, maybe if you look back at the industrial revolution in "cleaner" countries, we were just as bad. Read accounts of Liverpool in the 18th, 19th and early 20th century. Or how about chemical pollution in the US until the 1970s?

      China's position on pollution is no different than what other countries went through... the difference is just one of scale.

      This does not mean that China's attitude towards pollution is any more tenable, but it helps if we consider the processes by which other countries cleaned up their acts. Of note, grassroots support for a cleaner environment is problematic in China, given their political system, and the ease by which laws can be overlooked.

      But it doesn't reflect well on Americans (or other Westerners) to chastise China while ignoring our own sordid past.

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    3. Re:Environmental Wackos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But it doesn't reflect well on Americans (or other Westerners) to chastise China while ignoring our own sordid past.

      You'd think they might have taken a look at our sordid past and learned to do things in a more sane way. In stead they took a look at our (westerners) sordid past and thought: "Hell, if they could do it so can we... times ten!".

    4. Re:Environmental Wackos by mcwidget · · Score: 5, Funny

      Living the the US is barely tolerable and people die constantly

      Gee, that is bad. Over here in the UK, people only die once.

    5. Re:Environmental Wackos by Romancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dude, racist?

      "EGG" Foo Young on their face... as in Egg on their face. As in Mr T pitties the FOO that doesn't get a bit of localization in a bad pun. There's nothing racist about that remark that you didn't put there yourself. It's a joke that does not demean them as a race, or even say that they exibit stereotypical behavior. Just that they live in a region that introduced a type of cuisine. he did not even include the more typical dog ingredient jokes for the eastern nations that are much more typical of the belittling by mainstream comedians.

      I kinda take offence when people try to make general comments racist. If you stopped and thought about the whole racist issue you would find it disturbing that members of most races can use phrases and words that they do not allow other races to use without calling them racist. Isn't that the definition of racist? Treating a race differently because of their race? Allowing them to do something or forbiding them from something else based solely on their race? If we all kinda got the chip off our shoulders and let these comments go, the words would lose their power and that would be the end of at least a part of the problems we all face every day.

      The actions, are a different story of course and I acknowledge that, but the reaction to general comments are sometimes showing of more racist thoughts than the comments themselves.

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    6. Re:Environmental Wackos by corbettw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem with ignoring Chinese (or Indian) pollution today because of American or European pollution 50 to 100 years ago is, they should've learned from us. When the West went through industrialization, we were trail blazers, and made a lot of mistakes. If Chinese leaders had any sense in them, they'd learn from our mistakes and avoid making the same ones. They're not, which is just a shame.

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    7. Re:Environmental Wackos by Smackintosh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Umm, perhaps it just isn't offensive at all and the Chinese can judge for themselves if they find it so instead of you somehow policing it for them.

      In the last fifty years or so we've made great strides in terms of racism, prejudice, and solving injustices for various groups - but it has tipped past the point of rationality. Now everyone's ego and self-esteem is some fragile, gossamer shell waiting to be broken by the smallest slight, the barest hint of negativity.

      I am sorry, but we've become a society of wusses. We should be able to poke fun at people (and yes, even groups of them) when the intent is not evil. We should be able to spank our children when they don't act appropriately. We should be able to give awards to the winners and not to the losers. We should make people responsible for their own actions.

      I'm really appreciative of all that we have today and the progress we've made, but I'm also very ashamed of some of the things we've lost.

    8. Re:Environmental Wackos by QuantumRiff · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because they could actually put in place the infrastructure in time. Look at it, they have basically built one of the largest airports in the world in the last few years, built all the olympic venues and buildings needed... (most olympics only build a few buildings, and use existing ones for events when they can). They have built hotels, highways, light rail (from the new airport to downtown) and all sorts of infrastructure in a short time frame. Its pretty impressive what you can do when you have the political will, and a lack of environmental concerns, and don't care what the people think...

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    9. Re:Environmental Wackos by piemcfly · · Score: 2, Interesting

      haha.
      Sorry for laughing at that. But the only reason they 'acknowledge' natural disasters right now is to offset the realization of the general public that most of the deaths during the last few earthquakes and floods were due to massive corruption in government and building surveillance.

      They create a new enemey ('nature'), to prevent from the Party getting the blame it deserves. 'quake lakes' my ass. There's a lot of building contractors and local officials in china that should be hanged for their corruption. Official 'acknowledgements' notwithstanding.

      Oh, and the 'clean' air for the olympics of course. Really, no. China has been polluting north-east asia for decades now. You might want to check out the satellite maps of the wonderful Yangtze and Yellow river deltas.
      You don't even need false color too see that they're pumping all sorts of shit into the oceans.

      And unlike what others below me have stated, it's not just a matter of scale. Rapid development in Europe and the US, no matter how destructive it was, also kickstarted environmentalism, the protected natural park systems and both private and public efforts to safeguard the environment, thanks to the openness of the government (that is 'democracy'). China has no such thing...

    10. Re:Environmental Wackos by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which western country are you speaking of? The US ?

      We have some of the strictest laws in place, thank you very much. So much restriction that we've lost all of our manufacturing to places like Mexico and China that don't have such restrictions in place.

      Could we do better? Sure! However we are leading, where many places aren't following because it is economically advantageous not to follow.

      What is more disturbing however is the whole "Blame America First" crap that you seem to subscribe to. People like you are idiots and tools against real reform, because you can't give credit where it is due.

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  5. Re:License plates by EmperorKagato · · Score: 2, Informative
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  6. Shutting Down PCB Factories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just got an email from my PCB Fabrication house :

    "For our Printed Circuit Board customers using Chinese vendors, please be aware of the following air quality policy announcement from Chinese authorities:

    In preparation for the Olympics, China has announced a factory shutdown for 9 weeks to clear smog and improve air quality in a 200 kilometer radius of Beijing. The shutdown begins July 17th and will extend until September 20th. Beijing, Tianjin, Hebei, Shanxi, Inner Mongolia and Shandong provinces are affected by the shutdown.

    If air quality does not improve before the start of the Olympics, there may be an expansion of the shutdown. There are concerns there could also be a bottleneck at two main ports. "

    Wonder how it will affect Chip prices

    1. Re:Shutting Down PCB Factories by RichMan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Big chip production is done off shore in Taiwan. Not affected. And a lot more around Shanghai. Not affected.

      Page 10 of document with world map of IC plants
      does not show an FABs around Beijing in 2005.

      IC fabrication does not have a big supply chain. Just sand and rare elements as inputs.

      PCB and product manufacturing can be expected to be hit in strange ways. There are product paths, for connectors, cable assemblies, etc, that no one really understands that could be going through the affected area.

    2. Re:Shutting Down PCB Factories by RichMan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Opps mistaken. As of 2005 there were a 0.35 and 0.8 lines in Beijing. But again very little appear to be some plants in Tianjin. Overall this will be 1% of global IC manufacturing. But if it affects a supply chain anything downstream will be hit.

  7. Re:American athletes should not wear masks. by courtarro · · Score: 4, Funny

    If the whole world sees American athletes dressed up with goofy masks, they will see the USA as a bunch of sissies, especially if the Chinese -don't-.

    Yeah, 'cause real men get pollution-related lung cancer!

  8. Yeah... by Otter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Arguably these are all short-term measures, just designed to control air quality for the time when the Olympics are on," says Dr Andy Jones.

    Ummm, no kidding? What does he mean, "arguably"? It's like how Athens temporarily incarcerated the city's thousands of stray dogs and then turned them all loose when the Games ended.

    1. Re:Yeah... by Bieeanda · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yup. Cities and countries scramble to host the Olympics, but the only long-term effects are overwhelmingly negative. The host city ends up with massive debt and little else, since the surge in tourism is temporary and interest in using the purpose-built facilities peaks much lower after the Games have ended.

    2. Re:Yeah... by bobdotorg · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's like how Athens temporarily incarcerated the city's thousands of stray dogs and then turned them all loose when the Games ended.

      A fate much better than that of the half million or so stray cats in Beijing:
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-528694/Olympics-clean-Chinese-style-Inside-Beijings-shocking-death-camp-cats.html

      (sorry to link to such a rag, but it's the only one that popped up on my Google search.)

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    3. Re:Yeah... by Darktyco · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Call me crazy, but couldn't this "cat culling" cause a surge in the cities rat population?

  9. Signs by Amorymeltzer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Arguably these are all short-term measures, just designed to control air quality for the time when the Olympics are on

    Is it obvious to anyone else that that statement should be a sign? If you have to reduce pollution so athletes don't cripple their records, shouldn't you, I don't know, try and stop it forever? I honestly hope no records are broken, and that every athlete in an event outside performs terribly compared to history, so hopefully a few more people might open their damned eyes.

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  10. Just like a 10 year old... by EmagGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When mom comes around saying he can go play when his room is clean, he frantically shoves the mess into the closet...

  11. Re:Black wind by the_other_chewey · · Score: 5, Funny

    But how are they going to stop the sand storms coming from Mongolia?

    50 million chinese blowing the other way.

  12. Danger Will Robinson by RichMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It will be interesting how this will play out in the social/economical dynamics of China.

    Will the employees be paid during the shutdown?

    Have downstream manufactures in other areas made provisions to get alternate input sources?

    Will there be any unexpected interruptions in the supply chain? Either domestic consumption or export goods.

    If downstream factories in other areas have to shutdown there will not be government support, there will be unhappy workers.

    Having unhappy idle workers while the government is telling everyone to be happy about the Olympics is not a good thing.

    Also if US orders for Christmas are down because of US domestic fears then some idled factories might not find it easy to restart.

    1. Re:Danger Will Robinson by Tweenk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If downstream factories in other areas have to shutdown there will not be government support, there will be unhappy workers. Having unhappy idle workers while the government is telling everyone to be happy about the Olympics is not a good thing.

      Nobody would dare to oppose or express discontent at anything the government does in order to ensure the success of the Olympic Games. It's not even a matter of profit or worldwide publicity anymore. It's a matter of life and death. My Chinese penfriend says that she'll be "serving the Olympic" - this should give you an idea about their dedication. You may condemn their government, but if they can do anything properly at all, then it's motivating people to take action.

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  13. A CITY WALL! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Funny

    NOW I GOTTA BUILD CITY WALL TO KEEP CITY BUILDINGS CLEAN OR CITY PEOPLE GONNA COMPLAIN! GODDAMN MONGORIANS!!!

    (string of text to get around caps filter, asdfbvukavfkavukabuywerbvfyabsvsdbfjkdhafbukaddfbwdfghweynetuakfukyvbuaaaf)

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  14. uh, wtf? by pak9rabid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    athletes are at risk for low performance if the air quality cannot be brought down to acceptable levels

    Uh..call me crazy, but shouldn't this have been something that should have been taken into serious consideration before choosing a place like this for the Olympics? I mean, I may not be an expert on human physiology, but it would seem to me that having clean air for the Olympic competitors to breathe would have ranked among one of the highest in the checklist for selecting a location for the Olympics.

    1. Re:uh, wtf? by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure that the location was chosen using the time honored political methods...

      In other words, it was picked based on which locality was willing to bribe the judges the most, while at the same time having the best means with which to hide the bribes, or make them look legitimate.

    2. Re:uh, wtf? by Evildonald · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What most people forget is that the Olympic Games isn't an alturistic event run by the goodness of people's hearts. It's a commercial event run by a very money hungry organisation. People question impartialness of judges.. but the judges are really no more than members of a very large board of a very lucractive company.

    3. Re:uh, wtf? by rpj1288 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Which is exactly why Chicago is going to get the 2016 games. We've got the patent on the time honored political methods.

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    4. Re:uh, wtf? by JaffaKREE · · Score: 2, Informative

      One of the bigger efforts to make Beijing more reasonable for the olympics ? Adding "luxury items" soap and toilet paper to the bathrooms. http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/Olympics2008/0,,2-9-2370_2351873,00.html We could complain, but the olympic committee won't be able to hear us while they're swimming in their scrooge mcduck-like money vaults. Next time, maybe we could pick a location that already has those "luxury items" in place ?

  15. Re:License plates by Deadstick · · Score: 5, Funny
    Sucks for the guys whose plates end with a zero.

    ...and who flunked math.

    rj

  16. Non-sports stuff more interesting than the event by denis-The-menace · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I usually hate following the Olympic because it's such a bore.
    This year, all the stuff "around" the competition is WAY more interesting:
    -How many people will be arrested for silly things?
    -Will the athletes choke on the smog?
    -Will anything be allowed to be broadcasted out of China?
    -How many Chinese will try to defect?
    -And of course: The badly translated sign of the day.

    I don't think leaders of China will be able to stand have a spot light on them for the full 2 weeks. Imagine the fallout from regular Chinese people getting unfiltered news from the mouths of so many non-controlled people!

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  17. gym full of smokers by oliverthered · · Score: 4, Funny

    well it depends on what their smoking, a bit of crack/crystal meth or pcp may actually give them a boost.

    I'm all for setting up this alternative drugie Olympics, if altitude training is ok, or lifting weights then why not a crack pipe.

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  18. Space Vacuum by lymond01 · · Score: 4, Funny

    With people considering a space elevator, why not consider a space vacuum cleaner? A long tube with one end in space and the other split like, say, a flying spaghetti monster, with multiple ends to suck up particulates. And little dogs.

    1. Re:Space Vacuum by 3waygeek · · Score: 2, Funny
  19. Atlanta Olympics by Frankie70 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Happens in every olympics.

    During the Atlanta Olympics, many homeless people were taken for a bus ride to different part of the state.
    Many of the homeless were jailed for silly offenses.

    http://www.straight.com/olympic-cities-punish-poor

  20. Re:License plates by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Any number that is even can be represneted in the terms of 2j where j is an integer any odd number can be represented in 2j-1 where J is an integer.

    So...
    2j=0
    j=0/2
    j=0
    0 is an integer. So 0 is even.

    Now lets check to see if 0 is odd.
    2j-1=0
    2j=1
    j=1/2
    j=0.5
    0.5 is not an integer so 0 is not odd

    therefore 0 is even.

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  21. I need new glasses, I thought it said... by starglider29a · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...INCINERATED the city's thousands of stray dogs.

    I couldn't see how that would help the air quality. I guess the word "temporarily" should have clued me in.

  22. Western world's creation by failedlogic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its fine and fair to blame the Chinese government for not bringing up tougher industrial anto-pollution laws. We are also being narrow-minded in saying this is alll a Chinese problem.

    The Western world has made China one giant production facility. All the really toxic production facilities - PCBs, paper (increasingly), steel and other metals, etc. are all being made in China. And they're making our clothes, food (which I *dont* buy), and so on. The shipping yards in China are the largest in the world for good reason.

    I'm buying made in the USA or Canada - first, less pollution in transportation, saves jobs, and (should) be higher quality and safer.

    China is overpopulated, yes, and thats a problem they (and we all have) to work to solve. Even if they had reduced pollution say by even 80% over the last decade, there's still too much being produced and too many people. We'd still have a problem.

    I don't think for many reasons it was wise of IOC to approve China. Living in the city of the host of the next Games, development ain't all that environmentally friendly either. Sea-Sky highway being one of them.

    1. Re:Western world's creation by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Western world has made China one giant production facility

      It's called poor leadership.

      US: Hey, lend us money and we'll encourage our citizens to buy your wares with ridiculous tax breaks for corporations.
      China: Buy 5x junk, and it's a deal!

      In the end, they lent us the money, and now because we are stuck with their shit products, and inability through gross negligence on the part of US leadership are reduced to selling prime real estate and property to the bastards.

      Post not meant as a troll, maybe a rant, but surely not a troll.

  23. Not as doubtful as you'd think by LS · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There seems to be a lot of incredulity about Beijing's ability to clean up for the Olympics, but you are all forgetting that the government here is doesn't have the same limitations of a democracy, and can implement massive policy changes immediately. There are shutting down over 350 (!) factories down here, and have taken 60% of the cars off of the road. Most construction has stopped. I was here on Sunday, the first day this process went into effect, and we had a brilliant blue sky. Things are a little hazy again today, but they're not done shutting down everything yet. Expect a relatively pollution free Olympics. Sorry to rain on your hate parade guys. This is only a temporary solution though, which is amazing considering they spent 40 billion on infrastructure change to support the cleanup effort.

    LS

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  24. Didn't they learn from Mexico?? by notdotcom.com · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For the next two months, owners of 3.3 million private cars can drive only on alternate days in China's capital, based on whether the last digit of their license plates is even or odd.

    Mexico tried the whole "even or odd" license plate thing a while back (for similar reasons) and it was an epic failure.

    People either bought another car, usually an older, more-polluting model, or just ignored the law. The result was that Mexico's air quality got WORSE from trying to restrict vehicles on the road because most 2nd (or 3rd) cars that were being purchased were older models with almost no pollution control equipment and higher fuel consumption.

    I don't know what it takes to buy a car in China, or how the government regulates license plate numbers, but if it's in any way similar to Mexico, this will fail too.

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    1. Re:Didn't they learn from Mexico?? by xtracto · · Score: 5, Informative

      Mexico tried the whole "even or odd" license plate thing a while back (for similar reasons) and it was an epic failure.

      Uuuh, as far as I know (asking to my relatives living in Mexico D.F.) the "hoy no circula" program is still going on strong in Mexico City, moreover, the program has just been extended for Saturdays (since July 5).

      Saying that it didn't work is a big claim. Granted, some people bought another car, however that is not very common, given the general population does not earn enough money to buy a second car.

      And moreover, the IMECA (Metropolitan Index of the Quality of Air, used to monitor the pollution in Mexico City) or AIQ (nowadays between 50 and 70) is not as high as it used to be say, 10 years ago when it usually was between 80 and 110...

      You can check it from yourself, all the yearly data for Mexico City atmospheric conditions can be obtained from here.

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  25. Re:Non-sports stuff more interesting than the even by Tweenk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unfortunately this won't be as interesting as you think, because they're truly world-class at show, behind-the-scenes action and changing facts by political pressure.

    -How many people will be arrested for silly things?

    If there are any foreigners arrested, the authorities will claim that they were arrested for offenses not related to politics, and authentic-looking footage will be presented. Rejecting the footage as fake will be regarded as anti-Chinese agitation. Domestic arrestees will be held until the end of the Olympic, and will not be allowed to make public statements under severe penalties (assuming there will be any, which I doubt).

    -Will anything be allowed to be broadcasted out of China?

    Yes, you won't notice anything unusual. Instead of trying to control the news broadcasts, they will control reality.

    -How many Chinese will try to defect?

    Zero. There is no noticeable "resistance movement" in China. They really believe in their government, even we think it's evil.

    -And of course: The badly translated sign of the day.

    All the Zhonglish you see originates from factories which try to save on packaging design. There are lots of people who can speak proper English in China, and they won't be saving on translators or anything that has to do with the Olympics, because it's a matter of life and death.

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  26. Re:License plates by fredrikj · · Score: 3, Informative

    I stared at your post for 10 seconds before realizing that 2j was supposed to represent an integer and that you were in fact not calling upon the quater-imaginary numeral system to prove the evenness of zero. Now that would have been overkill :-)

    The license plate issue, by the way, is actually discussed in the "evenness of zero" Wikipedia article:

    The nominal evenness of zero is relevant to odd-even rationing systems. Cars might be allowed to drive or to purchase gasoline on alternate days, according to the parity of the last digit in their license plates. Half of the numbers in a given range end in 0, 2, 4, 6, 8 and the other half in 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, so it makes sense to include 0 with the other even numbers. The relevant legislation sometimes stipulates that zero is even to avoid confusion.[25] In fact, an odd-even restriction on driving in 1977 Paris did lead to confusion when the rules were unclear. On an odd-only day, the police avoided fining drivers whose plates ended in 0, because they did not know whether 0 was even.[26]

  27. But we are not in the 70's by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or how about chemical pollution in the US until the 1970s?
    China's position on pollution is no different than what other countries went through... the difference is just one of scale.

    How does China get a pass on this? They are supposed to be a modern superpower just like the U.S. They are not what I would call a "developing nation", and produce most of the advanced electronics we use today.

    The failure they have is totally unrelated to to past problems the U.S. and others have seen with pollution. The effects are well known, as are means of controlling emissions. There simply is no will to impose any controls.

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  28. Re:American athletes should not wear masks. by corbettw · · Score: 2, Funny

    Like the old saying: anyone can quit smoking; it takes a real man to face cancer.

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  29. Blog from a guy in China with pictures by Matt+Perry · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been reading this guy's blog off and on because he's posting pictures of the air quality. Compare this picture with this one to see what difference is being made.

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    1. Re:Blog from a guy in China with pictures by Paolo+DF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However, I would say that waaaay more than two pictures are needed in order to compare air quality.
      Just imagine how can change current conditions the presence of clouds, high winds, fog, temperature, working/non working days, ... you got the picture.

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  30. Factories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well you should read the article; they tried to move the factories but they couldn't find them because of the smog!!

  31. Egg Foo Young? by phorm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The racist overtones (Egg Foo Young?) are unnecessary.

    Well, being that the common expression is "egg on their face", and "egg foo young" is a common dish at a Chinese restaurant, it seems more an attempt at humour than racism.

  32. Déjà vu (Moscow Olympics) by $criptah · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not sure how many people remember or care to know about the games of 1980 held in Moscow, but similar things happened there in order to promote the image of the USSR.

    All people with questionable reputation were ordered to leave the city and the communist party spent a lot of time and money to ensure that everything was top notch (well, at least by the Soviet standards). Guess what happened when the games stopped?

    If people cannot see through this dog and pony show that every country is going to put up in order to look good, then yeah, China's new green image is a great success!

  33. people will die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know that it my sound extreme. but the reality is this:

    I just received a notice from my Printed circuit Board vendor in China stating that they will be unable to provide deliveries during this time due to mandatory shutdowns. thus i will have to resort to expensive U.S manufacturing. If im doing that then i assume others are doing the same. perhaps on a different scale then what my little company uses. As a whole this has to be effecting the average worker that works as such facilities there in china. Poor guy who was bringing home that 2$ a day now brings home none. on a larger scale you will see starvation, because i know more factory's then just PCB's manufacturing will be shut down.

    that 2$ a day buys grain to eat. how will he earn his grain?

    people might argue how this will effect consumer goods. but don't forget there is a human factor involved.

  34. Also stockpiling a strategic reserve... by WoTG · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Another related demand on oil is that China is building a strategic petroleum reserve, similar to the one in the USA. Now, in theory, that build-out is still ongoing, and the fill rate is relatively slow. However, given the extreme importance of the diesel supplies during the Olympics, I would not be surprised if the Chinese SPR is being built and filled a lot quicker than publicized.

    China's SPR barely gets mentioned in the media, but it's huge, though, smaller than that of the USA. They aim to store the equivalent of several weeks of their crude imports.

    Is it really enough to affect the world price? Who knows, certainly not I.

  35. MOD PARENT UP by PRMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And if you go to the Olympics, you may want to avoid the "chicken"...

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  36. Re:London Smog Disaster of 1952 by fatphil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why are the Chinese, who have a multi-billion-dollar semiconductor manufacturing industry and have had fusion weapons for 40 years, making the same mistakes as a country that had barely even seen a transistor, and was 5 years away from developing fusion weapons?

    Please compare like with like.

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