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Dropped Shuttle Toolbag Filmed From Earth
cathector writes "An article at spaceweather.com reports that the toolbag dropped during Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper's spacewalk has been recorded on film from earth: 'When Endeavour astronaut Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper dropped her toolbag during a spacewalk on Nov. 18th and it floated away, mission controllers probably figured they'd seen the last of it. Think again. Last night, Nov. 22nd, veteran satellite observer Kevin Fetter video-recorded the backpack-sized bag gliding over his backyard observatory in Brockville, Ontario. "It was easily 8th magnitude or brighter as it passed by the 4th magnitude star eta Pisces," he says. Spaceweather's satellite tracker is monitoring the toolbag.'"
The actual loss of the bag was filmed, too; reader Kagura links in a comment on the original story to this YouTube clip of the bag's escape.
That's a tool bag!
Scotty will use it in the future to fix the Enterprise. Good stuff.
And I can't even find a single Phillips screwdriver in my own closet!
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Exactly what I said as I dropped a bolt today and it rolled away under the car. :-)
I suppose something of this incident will go down in history and become the origin of some common expression like Murphy's Law in the distant future. Maybe feature in a future episode of Star Trek?
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Timestamp 1: Witnesses as far as 720 kilometers apart reported seeing what looked like a bright meteor falling somewhere on the Saskatchewan-Alberta boundary around 5:30 pm MT Thursday, according to the CBC.
Timestamp 2: Last night, Nov. 22nd, veteran satellite observer Kevin Fetter video-recorded the backpack-sized bag gliding over his backyard observatory in Brockville, Ontario.
So, no.
Supposedly secure equipment has been lost during EVA since the Gemini program. Mike Collins lost a camera which jiggled out of a mount on his pressure suit. Its very hard to avoid this kind of problem.
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It probably would be cheaper just to have the astronauts make sure the bag is continually tethered to something.
It would actually be cheaper to train astronauts not to throw $100,000 worth of tools away. Well, with the way nasa does things, maybe not....
So does that mean if an astronaut got disconnected and floated off, we'd be able to see them orbiting or flying off too? Kind of morbid.
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Seriously though, I feel sorry for this woman. One minor slip up and because the media latched onto it this is all she'll ever be remembered for. NASA astronauts risk life and limb and while the humour's good we shouldn't forget the effort and sacrifice they make should not be dismissed lightly.
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at least there when you screw something down there you dont have the whole world watching you
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On top of the toolbag as it glides, sits Doolittle the Spider.
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Simple: when the shuttle's done at the station, detach and intercept the bag in orbit. Voila, $100k saved. They could think of it as a drill for retrieving an astronaut who floats away during a spacewalk.
Bad Astronomy posted an entry devoted to refuting this idea! As Phil Plait says, the very fact that the toolkit has just been sighted shows that it's still up there, and could not have been the fireball.
Let's put aside any blame, mistakes, whether the media is being unfair...for just a moment.
Seeing that bag just drift off, only a few feet away from the station and then a few days later we see it pass by in orbit from Earth is just amazing. I'm always impressed with whatever we do in space.
Was it my tax dollars that paid for that lost bag? Still worth the money.
I was watching some sort of NASA clip that showed a tool tray for on-orbit work. It locked the tools down until you plugged the lanyard from your suit into the tool, then the only way to get the lanyard off the tool was to lock it back into the tray..
Guess that wasn't in use this time.
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She fumbled, in a high-stress enviroment under high-stress circumstances, but it's not her fault. I actually instantly saw the flaw with something/somebody else when I read this the first time.
what in heavens name is up with a space grease gun leaking grease were it's not supposed to? Were does Nasa get these? At the local hardware store for 10 Dollars a piece or what? This stunt actually went quite well. Imagine her not being able to do her job (or get back to the airlock) because a grease gun explodes all over her helmet visor or something simular.
Say what you want, but somewhere some Nasa engineering team has to get back to the drawing table ASAP and design a greasegun that actually works relyably - Nasa style wise. Or something simular with no moving parts at all. Maybe get a vaseline can and a spatula tied to a string or something - that's probably how the russians do it.
I'd actually be super-pissed at gear that goes haywire on me 7 hours into a stressy EVA. I do climbing - imagine your backback shedding mission-critical gear at 300 meters in the vertical or something simular. Multipling that by a thousand hints the scale of issues we're talking about.
Way more people than just the astronaut are responsible here.
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One of the Apollo astronauts once remarked that what they really think about is "Please let me not fuck up.".
Incorrect. Had she not imparted momentum to it by shoving it aside, it would have stayed right there and not moved, at least in any time frame likely to be relevant to the ISS personnel.
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Your first mistake was reading the comments on a Youtube video.
It's not that morbid, though it probably would give a spacewalker a bit of a scare. But in the event that they lose both tethers and float off, they also have the SAFER packs to get them back.
FYI it will not burn up for some time.
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The statement "Lord, please don't let me fuck this up" was originally referred to as "The Shepard's Prayer", after the first US astronaut, Alan Shepard. He reportedly "recited" it while on the pad awaiting his Mercury flight, not knowing that his mike was hot, and everyone in launch control was listening in.
Shepard also ended up having to pee in his spacesuit on the pad, because the engineers hadn't considered the effects of having a man lying on his back with his legs elevated for several hours before launch.
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Yeah, that's the problem at our house. Our FETCH unit digs up the garden, craps on the neighbor's lawn, pisses off their cat, chases squirrels, knocks up the poodle down the street.
The shuttle crew will need to deploy the rolled up newspaper from time to time.
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Yeah, but it weirds language.
What if I do the same thing, and I do get different results?
Dangit fine. I tried to resist, but there wasn't enough time left on the countdown.
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Look, we've been separating the intelligence and wisdom stats since the late 70's at least.
Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
Actually, the brightest star in the sky (aside from sol/the sun) is Sirius, which has a negative magnitude at -1.42.
Yes. The ISS is in a decaying orbit (a non-decaying orbit would be way-the-fuck-up-there and at blistering velocity), which means the toolbag is too. The difference? The toolbag won't be getting an orbit boost from a spacecraft later.
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i'd say you must be new here, but you probably wouldn't get that either
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wasnt that captured by the pirates?
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The ISS' orbit decreases by about 4km per month. If we consider reentry at ~75km (completely arbitrary,
and probably quite a bit off), the ISS itself would come down in about five to six years, give or take. The toolbag
has a higher density than the ISS, so the deceleration by atmospheric drag should be a bit lower. That puts the time to reentry
in the order of magnitude of very roughly ten years.
How do we know the thing in the wmv was, in fact, the tool bag? I assume it's tracked or something (based on known orbit/velocity/somethingelseaboutwhichIknownothing)? I.e. we know it should have been there, then? And lo, something was there, then, so that was it?
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I'm sorry, did you really mean to say "density"? Atmospheric drag affects surface area of an object, not the number of atoms per unit of volume.
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