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Canadian Groups Call For Massive Net Regulation

An anonymous reader writes "Michael Geist is reporting that Canadian cultural groups including ACTRA and SOCAN have called on Canada's telecom regulator to implement a massive new Internet regulation framework. This includes a new three-percent tax on ISPs to pay for new media creation, Canadian content requirements for commercial websites, and licensing requirements for new media broadcasters, including for user-generated content."

318 comments

  1. No Seriously by schlick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Blame Canada

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    1. Re:No Seriously by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      ACTRA Spokeman: Listen buddy, give us more money, or else...
      Canadian ISP Spokesman #1: I'm not your buddy, friend.
      SOCAN Spokesman: He's not your friend, guy.
      Canadian ISP Spokesman #2: He's not your guy, buddy...
      *3 weeks later*
      ACTRA Spokesman: (addressing the rest of Canada) We got exactly what we wanted, fellow Canadians! Now all of you will pay to produce even more talented Canadian artists like Celine Dion, William Shatner...and Celine Dion!!
      Canadians: ...

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    2. Re:No Seriously by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Hey! You forgot Jim Carrey and Alex Trebek!

    3. Re:No Seriously by CryptoJones · · Score: 0, Troll

      Blame Canada

      Why not. It's been proven socialism doesn't work, yet they continually try to implement policies just like this. It's like prescribing leeches to an Anemic.

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    4. Re:No Seriously by supernova_hq · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, why do people keep mentioning some of the worst canadian talent whenever people mention Canada? Have they not heard of all the actual talent that comes out of here?

      There is a local radiostation (CFOX) that does a yearly talent search type content (Fox Seeds Bands) and turns out some AMAZING talent. These include Murray Atkinson, Biff Naked and others.

      Although I guess I could always look at American talent by bringing up Britney Spears, the Spice Girls and the Backstreet Boys...

    5. Re:No Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Spice Girls are English.

    6. Re:No Seriously by yurigoul · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you mean Marxism of the Leninistic Flavor did not work - according to Marx you need an Industrialized society before communism and a whole bunch of extra conditions before it gets going. In short none of the things Russia was. and then you had this Stalin guy... And then again, that is communism, not socialism. Socialism is an important force in European politics. And Europe did not start this crisis...

    7. Re:No Seriously by spazdor · · Score: 1

      How's that radically deregulated market workin' out for you 'Merrkins? Fundamentals still strong I hear?

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    8. Re:No Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All: Who controls the British crown?
                        Who keeps the metric system down?
                        We do! We do!

            Karl: Who leaves Atlantis off the maps?
          Lenny: Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
          Alien: We do! We do!

              All: Who holds back the electric car?
                        Who makes Steve Gutenberg a star?
                        We do! We do!

      Skinner: Who robs cavefish of their sight?
          Homer: Who rigs every Oscar night?
              All: We do! We do!

    9. Re:No Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      talented: showing a natural aptitude for something
          Synonym: gifted

    10. Re:No Seriously by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      No, no, the American government has apologized for Britney Spears on several occasions.

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    11. Re:No Seriously by superbus1929 · · Score: 1

      Hacks.

      Alan Thicke is a God among men.

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    12. Re:No Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      europe did not what? hehe.

      [puppi_squid_dragon_fish_from_the_beyond]

  2. ACTRA/SOCAN by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

    What are these organizations? TFA doesn't elaborate.

    1. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by 8127972 · · Score: 4, Informative

      For those who aren't familiar with the groups referenced in TFA:

      ACTRA: http://www.actra.ca/actra/control/insideActra_what
      SOCAN: http://www.socan.ca/jsp/en/about/what_we_do.jsp

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    2. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Oh+no,+it's+Dixie · · Score: 4, Informative

      ACTRA and SOCAN are Canada's recording industry associations. They parallel the US's MPAA and RIAA.

    3. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Chyeld · · Score: 4, Funny

      According to this site. They are apparently some sort of order founded around the worship of dolphins.

      Or, possibly they are just a bunch of special interest groups similar to the RIAA in the US.

      I'm trending to the Sancta Orca theory myself.

    4. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Rary · · Score: 4, Informative

      ACTRA and SOCAN are Canada's recording industry associations. They parallel the US's MPAA and RIAA.

      Not quite. CRIA is Canada's RIAA.

      SOCAN is a performing rights organization, so it parallels the US's BMI and ASCAP.

      I know nothing about ACTRA.

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    5. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      TFA or TFAA?

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    6. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ACTRA and SOCAN are Canada's recording industry associations. They parallel the US's MPAA and RIAA.

      I'd like the government to pass some sane laws for a change. Like for every million blank CDRs, DVDRs, or HDs sold a random employee or member of MPAA and RIAA gets randomly one or more of the following: jailed, fined, shot out of a cannon, or just shot in a random spot by a taser or large caliber gun. All these events should be recorded and aired as both entertainment and a lesson that there are just some things that we don't want people to do any more.

      If we run out of MPAA or RIAA members/employees, we can just change it to lawyers and elected politicians.

    7. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Misch · · Score: 2, Informative

      ACTRA and SOCAN are Canada's recording industry associations. They parallel the US's MPAA and RIAA.

      No, SOCAN is more along the lines of BMI and ASCAP. They represent artists and songwriters, not movie studios and record labels .

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    8. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by someguyintoronto · · Score: 5, Informative

      More than not quite. More like completely different than MPAA and RIAA.

      As stated above, SOCAN is a performing rights organization. Specifically they handle the authoring and composition royalty of a piece of music. So I write a song, I become a member of SOCAN (as a Canadian), they track the usage of that song (typically radio play only) and they pay out a royalty for the authoring (lyrics) and composition (music) of the song.

      ACTRA represents musicians to broker the royalties as they relate to (what is defined in Canada as) Neighbouring Rights (http://www.nrdv.ca/) which is essentially the "performance" of a recorded piece of music. So I play as a musician on a recorded piece of, it gets played (again, typically on the radio) and they pay out based on my performance on this piece.

      This later concept differs greatly in the US, where terrestrial (AM/FM) radio does not owe "performance" royalties. SoundExchange via a whole heck of congress lobbying is the closest equivalent to ACTRA (or the two other Canadian associations that deal in these royalties), however, it only deals in Internet streaming and satellite radio. And, yes they totally fucked up.

      SOCAN and ACTRA have historically helped to look after the little musicians. They are not inherently evil despite what the likely opinion on slashdot will be.

      Now, as a musician, in Canada, who writes songs, gets airplay and, yes, has leftish values, I think that this is an acceptable compromise. Bars, restaurants, dentist offices, etc all get surcharged for playing music in Canada at their workplaces (as music is seen to add value to their business). The same argument can apply to ISPs who have more demand/usage by people looking to listen and become exposed to music. I think ultimately the impact to consumers will be negligible in terms of a rate increase (which is likely to be also monitored by the CRTC).

    9. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Easy2RememberNick · · Score: 2, Informative

      I used to work for my uncle who had video games, pool tables and jukeboxes. One bar bought a jukebox off my uncle and the next week I went back they told me SOCAN had been flipping through the songs to see which were Canadian and then making the bar pay a license fee for them, I haven't worked there since 2002 and this was long before that so at least ten years ago.

        Even the bands that played were made to pay up for any songs written by Canadians or rather considered 'Canadian content' meaning the artist may not be Canadian but the majority of the work; music, lyrics, arrangement was created by a Canadian (think David Foster).

    10. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by neomunk · · Score: 4, Funny

      Looks like two branches of the R.I.A.EH to me.

    11. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by billcopc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As the only other Canadian on slashdot, I second these opinions.

      SOCAN isn't anywhere near as evil as the RIAA. The CRIA on the other hand, they're a bunch of creeps serving the big distributors, and the CRTC is the industry's sock puppet. Those last two don't add much value for Canadian artists, not unless you're a platinum-selling act who can afford to buy one of their reps.

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    12. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by myspace-cn · · Score: 1

      I'd expect more legislation like this as the worlds markets head south.

    13. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by msobkow · · Score: 1

      SOCAN is one of the driving forces behind the Canadian content regulations that led to such forgettable series as 90% of the CBC's production roster. Thanks to their beggaring demands, quality is sacrificed for quantity, and even the most dreadful sludge imaginable gets funding from the public trough because it's "Canadian".

      Needless to say I'm not a fan of CanCon regulations. There are enough quality Canadian shows that have made sales overseas and in the US markets to demonstrate that quality sells. Why should my tax money be used to fund crap?

      Note that CanCon applies to every Canadian broadcaster, rather than being an isolated requirement of Canada's PBS -- the CBC.

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    14. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by firefly4f4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you're OK with taxing (if I read the article correctly) EVERYTHING that goes through an ISP regardless of the fact that the vast majority of it has nothing to do with what they're trying to protect?

      I'm sorry, as a Canadian, that's overkill.

    15. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by AJWM · · Score: 2, Informative

      ACTRA is the Association of Canadian Television and Radio Artists (or used to be, I think they've modified what it stands for since I knew any actors). It's essentially an actors' union.

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    16. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who cares, they're all a bunch of assholes anyway!

    17. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Curtman · · Score: 2, Funny

      So you're OK with taxing (if I read the article correctly) EVERYTHING that goes through an ISP regardless of the fact that the vast majority of it has nothing to do with what they're trying to protect?

      Why not? They already tax our blank CD/DVD media. I've probably burned 5 or 6 audio cd's in the last 5 years, but I pay tax to starving artists every time I buy one regardless of what I put on it. They could tax water while they are at it. We all obviously sing in the shower, and some Canadian artist should be compensated for that.

    18. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by gwait · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm also a Canadian on Slashdot, and a hobbyist musician.

      I have no issue with Socan collecting royalties when someone plays Canadian commercial music for financial benefit.

      What I don't support is the blanket coverage "guilty until .. nah, guilty" that they promote along with the CRIA.

      For example: anytime someone books a local hall for rent, you have to pay a couple hundred bucks to Socan, even if you were playing your own originals, or perhaps you're a Beatles cover band etc.

      They don't send these royalties to non Canadian artists, only to Canadian Artists with a "recognized commercial recording contract", who recorded and produced their music in Canada,
      proportional to the number of record sales said artist has, so Celine Dion rakes in lots more free cash, and little or no benefit to independent or self published artists.
      A similar thing happens to the tax on blank CD's etc.

      This is utter socialist bullshit.

      Considering nowadays people can create their own music for under $1000.00 and promote it on the internet for free, this welfare system for commercial artists is quite ridiculous.

      The commercial recording industry is an obsolete and dying business model that should be taken off of the government provided life support, and they know it. It's a good time for them to try to get a new source of income from the government, while said government is in a shambles.

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    19. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by brady8 · · Score: 1

      So by that logic, why don't we tack on another 3% tax on the ISPs to be paid to Google, since the ISPs have more demand/usage from people who need a easy way to find stuff online?

      And why not another 3% tax, to be distributed based on total page views to all businesses who can demonstrate they "add value" online?

      A blanket tax for music was stupid when they put it on blank media, and it's stupid when they're lobbying for it for ISPs.

      If you can't figure out how to make money without passing onerous legislation, then you're doing it wrong.

    20. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by JStegmaier · · Score: 1

      Bars, restaurants, dentist offices, etc all get surcharged for playing music in Canada at their workplaces (as music is seen to add value to their business). The same argument can apply to ISPs who have more demand/usage by people looking to listen and become exposed to music.

      You're saying that charging a business that's playing music for playing that music is essentially the same as charging ISPs because their pipes might be used to download music?
      Should the electric company then be charged because their electricity might be used to run a device that will play music? Do we charge computer manufacturers next? Their computers might be used to play music, which adds value to their product.

    21. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by hurfy · · Score: 1

      Now explain the acronym ...

      Society Of Composers, Authors and music publishers.
      Ok, I imagine SOCAMP got vetoed ;)
      N for noise makers in place of Music Publishers i guess :)

    22. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This so fucking much. You have no choice. You pay it, or you don't rent the hall. Period. No music being played at all? Tough. Your own original music? Tough. It's infuriating.

    23. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      ...and why did you waste your time writing this on slashdot instead of your government a letter (those paper things)?

    24. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It just sounds like the evil was divided up among three corporations. Each does a piece of what the RIAA does in the US.

    25. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by tedrampart · · Score: 1

      shhhh.. stop giving them more ideas!

      I agree though, tax on cd/dvd's should be thrown out. With the increase of digital content players (ipods, pmp's, generic mp3 players), the cd/dvd is hardly useful for anything but iso's. My father burned me a copy of some music he had recorded, he's old school, so I had to remind him that he could have just put it on a usb stick and prevent more waste in the world by burning it to a disc.

      Generic taxing like this is a total scam, plus its insulting to say that EVERY Canadian with internet service is a pirate, and a supporter of infringement... even if its partially true: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/26/1840231&tid=188/

    26. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by fizzding · · Score: 1

      The blanket tax also applies to storage media like hard drives and ipods.

    27. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by The+Bringer · · Score: 1

      I am a Canadian on Slashdot, and a card holding member of ACTRA. ACTRA, in fact, has very little to do with musicians. It is an actor's union, much like SAG (Screen Actors Guild) in the USA. Contrary to some of the opinions expressed here, ACTRA is a very beneficial organization that strives to ensure proper procedures are followed with regards to film and television productions. They dictate how royalties are to be payed, how long a lunch break for an actor is, as well as the standard scale of pay for various acting roles. This is not necessarily a bad thing at all.

    28. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by SkyDude · · Score: 1

      The commercial recording industry is an obsolete and dying business model that should be taken off of the government provided life support, and they know it. It's a good time for them to try to get a new source of income from the government, while said government is in a shambles.

      Ahhh...are you responding to TFA or discussing the US auto industry.....

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    29. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the current Conservative government is as attentive to the desires of the Canadian population as the Bush administration is attentive to the wishes of the US populace.

    30. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How do you know? Have you tried?

      The amazing thing about complaining is, sometimes you find you were the first person to complain about that particular issue. And if you create enough noise, there's always the chance that you will eventually get a majority of the population to agree with you -- at which point, the government can either listen or be replaced.

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    31. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      As the only other Canadian on slashdot, I second these opinions

      Quick! There's only two of them! Lets get em!

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    32. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by wwwillem · · Score: 1

      We all obviously sing in the shower, and some Canadian artist should be compensated for that.

      That's OK, as long as it's not Celine Dion. :)

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    33. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Anand7 · · Score: 1

      Well...as another Canadian.... The issue that I have with the implementation of these tariffs is that I have known of businesses owned by musicians who have only played their own music and had to pay SOCAN. Generally I support the tariff on blank media but, again, I have seen street musicians selling their own music having to pay the tariff because they couldn't afford to go to a duplication house and buy the media in bulk. In essence they have been paying the big acts so that they can sell their own music. Finally the "music exposure" tariff would start to make sense if the trunks were owned by the people i.e. the fibre-optic backbones were owned like the roads are owned by the people. The ISP's would then pay the fee as part of the bandwidth lease and pass that on, subject to scrutiny. Charging for unknown traffic on private property doesn't make sense to me.

    34. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 1

      This is utter socialist bullshit.

      Your post hits it right on the head, but Socialism? Maybe partly, but certainly not 'utter.' Not about semantics, either, because if we look at the 'model' for the redistribution of wealth, we see privatizing of the profit, socializing of the 'debt.' Little people pay, big people profit. Government on the side of the corporation-centered 'national' business model? Looks like fascism, in a way, doesn't it? Maybe not, maybe the politicians got these crazy ideas all on their own. I'd be skeptical of an analysis that depended on that.

      I'm splitting hairs, I realize that, an your post was the first one, as far as I can tell, that really nailed the reality of this thing as being the opposite of the so-called raison d'etre for the law, in the first place.

      I'm sorry to see this happening in Canada. I lived there for 30 years, on all three coasts, and it is just the most wonderful place. I miss it, and the people, more than you probably know.

      But, you know, you folks aren't as poorly-educated as we are down here. And I've seen a few bad ideas, come.. and go, and I have faith that the Canadians will ride this out and do the right thing.

      When the Canadian Content laws came out, for TV, as an American living in Canada, I was 150% for the idea of limiting US hegemony of the airwaves and eyeballs up there. All the way in on that.

      The problem here and there is partly the conduits wanting to turn the whole web into a non-interactive closed circuit version of "TV" and this model that they're proposing, is like putting the cart before the horse, in a way, if you think about it. Someone needs to remind Ottawa that the web is about independent education, and having an informed populace that can make better and better decisions for the Country, AND the people in, going forward.

      And going 'backward' into a 1970s TV model, is not forward, it's baloney, no matter jhow it's sliced.

    35. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by supernova_hq · · Score: 1

      Have you seen the bullshit that is going on in our political system right now?!? You think the Bush election was messed up, we elected a Prime Minister over a month ago and now the losing government parties are trying to decide who will become Prime Minister... Personally, I'm not sure which office, let alone which department to send my complaints to. At this rate, the parliament buildings will be moved to Saskatchewan because they can't fit all the elected and imposed Prime Ministers into Ottawa.

    36. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by multisync · · Score: 1

      we elected a Prime Minister over a month ago

      Funny ... my ballot just had choices for my local MP. Are you sure you didn't vote in the US election?

      now the losing government parties are trying to decide who will become Prime Minister

      Since none of them received a majority, you could say all parties were 'losers.' And of course our MPs are trying to decide who will be PM - that's their job.

      Personally, I'm not sure which office, let alone which department to send my complaints to.

      When no one has a majority, the parties are supposed to compromise and work together. Three of the parties are doing that. The other one is tried to put a boot to the throat of it's weak competition.

      You should send your complaints to that one.

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    37. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by gwait · · Score: 1

      Actually I have, yes on copyright issues. I also attended a town hall meeting put on by our local LIberal MP on Bill-C61 (Canadian version of the DMCA). The Conservatives put it away for the last useless election, but are expected to bring it back even worse than before, and are in the middle of the top secret multinational talks instigated by the US on copyrights, internet filtering etc.
      Seriously, they are not the slightest bit interested in what citizens have to say about this.
      Big corporate mass media are realizing that distributed and social networking on the internet is taking away their power, so they seem to be going for it in a big way to try to turn back the clock, and they have the Canadian Conservative party eating out of their hands.
      In a time when citizens are watching the financial meltdown, nobody cares about these issues, and it's an easy sales pitch "Protect the starving artists!" (which it doesn't..)

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    38. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by yurigoul · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but this is the exact opposite of Socialism. In socialism the more earning guys would get a smaller percentage than the guys who earn less. I think you mean this is totally capitalist.

    39. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by spazdor · · Score: 1

      Isn't rousing rabble on Slashdot a way of "creating noise"?

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    40. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by gobbo · · Score: 1

      we elected a Prime Minister over a month ago

      Speak fer yerself, 62% of us who voted voted for the other teams.

    41. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by gobbo · · Score: 1

      This is utter socialist bullshit.

      Um. Socialist bullshit would have Celine paying you for being an emerging artist out of her obscene profits. This gouge of the grassroots is something else, not socialism.

    42. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by HybridJeff · · Score: 2, Informative

      What? You've got it backwards. The bullshit is that Harper, after finding loopholes in his own new election laws and calling an early opportunistic election, decided to go against his own rhetoric and introduce a budged designed to sabotage the other major political parties while simultaneously failing to address the current economic situation. Then after the other political parties (who collected 62% of the popular vote and 54% of the seats) decided to ally and form a new coalition government rather than force another election so soon, Harper decided that he would rather postpone parliament for 2 crucial months giving him time to throw around the conservative parties monetary weight. All in an attempt to convince Canadians that the people 62% of us voted for should not be allowed to work together after being forced to by a Conservative minority not willing to work with them.

    43. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 1

      But we all contribute to the net which is distributed by the ISP's, so shouldn't we all get a royalty from the ISP's? Why is is only some people are going to get this tax? BTW this response is Copyright 2008 and I expect royalties from you and every other person reading it and any ISP letting it pass through their systems. I mean, that's how it's going to work - right?

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    44. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      I would think that it would also be an easy pitch to save you from unfair taxes. Smaller government and all that...

      Seriously, if you're feeling an economic crunch, why would you think helping your artists would turn it around? Is Canada that big an exporter of music for it to matter?

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    45. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, I guess I'll just break out my various albums on computer noise. You'll have a selection of white, pink or a mixture of the two as grey noise. Of course it is all random. Nothing like smoothing ones soul!!!!

    46. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 1

      Wait, what? Coming up with a scheme that takes money away from the disenfranchised and vulnerable and gives it to the already rich is socialist bullshit? Sounds more like a corporate oligarchy to me.

    47. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 1

      Sorry to break the news to you, but we don't live in the USA. We don't elect a Prime Minister, we elect a House of Commons. The Government (ie PM + Cabinet) needs the confidence of the House to form a government; if they lose that confidence, governments (especially minority governments) fall.

      If you have a problem with that, you have a problem with the most fundamental elements of our constitution and system of government.

    48. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Monkey · · Score: 1

      Geist mentioned that over a 5 year period the branch of the Copyright Board responsible for collecting and redistributing the levy funds, collected $120 million and yet barely a quarter of that amount was redistributed to artists.
      When flash media and devices like iPods aren't subject to this levy, it hardly seems fair to continue to tax optical media.

    49. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by gwait · · Score: 1

      I guess I chose the wrong term.

      It's really welfare, where someone gets money for absolutely no reason, IE Celine Dion getting Socan fees from a public hall rental where an independent artist plays their own original music.

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    50. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by gwait · · Score: 1

      Good point..

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    51. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by gwait · · Score: 1

      Canada has an official government body (Canadian Ratio and Television C(something)) that is a protectionist body put in place to legislate "Canadian Culture" and protect it from the mass media juggernaut next door.
      Now that anyone can publish easily and cheaply on the Internet, it really ought to be disbanded, but Bureaucracy is like Entropy, always increasing..
         

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    52. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by yurigoul · · Score: 1

      Maybe it is elitism, where the guys already on top somehow have more rights. Because welfare would again be that the little people get something because they have not enough (though I do not know if Celine Dione is on top of anything).

      And It sucks you have to pay that much for renting a space even if you do not make music. Here in Germany, you pay for playing music in a business: if you own a little shop that is open 5 hours a day 5 days a week and plays some soft music for the clients you pay as much as a club playing loud dance music 24 hours a day. Luckily it is not that much.

    53. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Frankly the more time they spend bickering over who gets to sit on the big chair, the less time they spend selling our lives to foreign interests.

      Harper, Dion, Rae... it's all the same bunch of lies. You just can't get to that position without shaking hands with a bunch of crooks along the way.

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    54. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by billcopc · · Score: 1

      There may only be two of us, but we've got an army of angry beavers ready to bite your silly little heads off :)

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    55. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Rary · · Score: 1

      I'm also a Canadian on Slashdot, and a hobbyist musician.

      Another Canadian here, and also a musician (hobbyist and retired professional).

      For example: anytime someone books a local hall for rent, you have to pay a couple hundred bucks to Socan, even if you were playing your own originals, or perhaps you're a Beatles cover band etc.

      And, if you are playing your own originals, you too can be eligible to receive compensation for that if you're a SOCAN member. That's right, you can actually get paid royalties by SOCAN to play your own songs.

      They don't send these royalties to non Canadian artists...

      Actually, every country has their own PROs, and they are all connected to one another, so yes, artists from other countries get a cut too.

      Considering nowadays people can create their own music for under $1000.00 and promote it on the internet for free, this welfare system for commercial artists is quite ridiculous.

      While I'm not a fan of the blank media levy, I do like the idea of a PRO like SOCAN. It's not welfare, it's distribution of royalties. It's not a perfect system of doing it, but I haven't heard anyone suggest a better one.

      The commercial recording industry is an obsolete and dying business model that should be taken off of the government provided life support

      Agreed 120%. SOCAN, however, isn't just about the commercial recording industry. Remember, you can be a member too.

      By the way, many SOCAN member artists also disagree with CRIA's support for RIAA tactics.

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    56. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by gwait · · Score: 1

      If what you're saying is true, then I stand corrected (still not at all a fan of a flat tax though). I seriously thought that only "signed" artists qualified for SOCAN compensation.

      How would SOCAN know to pay an original artist who had to pay out the SOCAN fee for a hall rental, and how would they decide how to slice up the pie?

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    57. Re:ACTRA/SOCAN by Rary · · Score: 1

      Basically, anyone who has written and recorded a song can sign up for SOCAN membership. I believe it's free, although I can't remember for sure.

      SOCAN does some complicated magic to decide what portion of overall royalties collected from radio stations, bars, etc. should be distributed to each of its member artists. I don't know exactly how that magic works, but part of it is taking samples of actual radio airplay from across the country (there's much more to it than that).

      Now, with respect to performing your own songs at a SOCAN-registered venue, all you have to do is inform SOCAN of which specific songs you played at which venue on which date, and they will make sure that the appropriate portion of royalties gets sent to you.

      Basically, they rely on statistics that they gather for the most part, but you can also provide details of specific instances to ensure payment.

      It's quite remarkable how few artists, particularly independent artists, are unaware of this and never submit their set lists to SOCAN as a result.

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  3. Nothing Good by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Nothing good can come from this. Notice, tax and spend. New tax, and spend on a new program. Don't the "Do Gooders" ever learn?

    Why can't they (the gov) just let us be! DAMN IT!!!

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    1. Re:Nothing Good by Nos. · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First, ACTRA and SOCAN are not the government, they are special interest groups. Secondly, given the current political situation in Canada... don't expect this to go anywhere in the near future.

    2. Re:Nothing Good by VEGETA_GT · · Score: 1

      O thats alll I nead, I am in canada and the red tape here and fourms and crap are nuts and now they want to add more for really what I can see as no good reason. The tac for example will be passed right on to the consumers and then they have to pay for new content, um the content is usually FREE. Next thing they will say is the content to someone house in canada has to be at least 20% Canadian, fine we have that for radio stations and such which don't work out to bad. But for the internet, ya enforce that. But Realy come on, first we get the new proposed DMCA Canadian version that thy want to put in here that was not influlenced by the us one, (and I have 5billion in the bank) that is just going to kill consumers right to media and now they want to regulate the internet, wow if this all goes through Canadian internet will get really screwed up. At that point I will be finding one of those proxy servers who bypass all this crap and doing all surfing through that.

    3. Re:Nothing Good by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 0, Troll

      Secondly, given the current political situation in Canada...

      Which is...?

    4. Re:Nothing Good by Adriax · · Score: 1

      Butbutbut, taxing the general populace and giving it to people who sit around and "represent" artists, lightening their workload in the process, will create jobs! Honest!

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    5. Re:Nothing Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not until January 26th at the very least ;)

    6. Re:Nothing Good by DarkArctic · · Score: 5, Informative
    7. Re:Nothing Good by Chyeld · · Score: 5, Funny

      Currently they are in a state of cannibalism. Moose vs. man, man vs. wolf, wolf vs. baby strollers. Their leadership has abdicated to Keanu Reeves, having mistaken the recent remake of "The Day the Earth Stood Still" as a documentary. The moose (meeses?) have taken advantage of this power vacuum and having no natural predators outside of orcas, are wrecking havoc and destruction through out the great land of Quebec.

    8. Re:Nothing Good by Oqnet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Prime Minister decided to try and pass a budget that would cut funding to opposition parties and make sure that civil servants couldn't go on strike. This was met with a lot of yelling and wining. So the opposition parties(which consist of the majority of members of ailment) decided to get together and form a coalition government. The Prime Minister freaked out and asked the Governor General for a time out of ailment(prorogue), until after the new year. This basically makes it so that the opposition parties can't have a confidence vote and try and form a new government with them in power, or have a new election. This was given to the Prime Minister, now ailment is stuck only able to do everyday tasks and not do things like pass new laws and bills and crap.

      It's all a big freaking gong show, so nothing will pass until the new year, and even then they will probably be focusing on each other and crying about how they got kicked out of the sandbox. Once that's done they will probably work on pushing the budget through(if we don't have a new election) which will consist of incessant debate over bailouts and more wining about what happened last week.

      That's the political situation in a nut shell.

    9. Re:Nothing Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wat

    10. Re:Nothing Good by genner · · Score: 4, Funny

      Their leadership has abdicated to Keanu Reeves, having mistaken the recent remake of "The Day the Earth Stood Still" as a documentary..

      Woah....

    11. Re:Nothing Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      man, i wish i had the power to just cancel work if i thought i was going to get fired.

    12. Re:Nothing Good by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      The moose (meeses?) have taken advantage of this power vacuum and having no natural predators outside of orcas, are wrecking havoc and destruction through out the great land of Quebec.

      We, your friendly neighbors to the West (Alaska) will very happily lend (very favorable terms, 50 year lease for 1 US dollar) our famous Governor. She knows how to deal with Meese.

      Really, she's not doing much at the moment.

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    13. Re:Nothing Good by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      nut shell.

      So to speak ...

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    14. Re:Nothing Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Notice, tax and spend.

      I'm sure they would gladly drop the tax, as long as the spending took place anyway. Would that make you happier?

    15. Re:Nothing Good by QuasiEvil · · Score: 2, Funny

      Lemme fix that for you:

      Woah, dude....

    16. Re:Nothing Good by vlm · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lemme fix that for you:

      Woah, dude....

      Woah, eh?

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    17. Re:Nothing Good by IgLou · · Score: 1

      Strangely, I'm finding this to be the most enjoyable period of time politically here for the last 2 years. It's so quiet and peacefully and no new stupid legislation!
      Dare I say it? I want it to last longer!!

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    18. Re:Nothing Good by someguyintoronto · · Score: 1

      Neither are "special interest groups". They are both associations with members who are songwriters (SOCAN) or musicians (ACTRA) who have assigned them rights to manage their authoring/composition (SOCAN) and "performance" (ACTRA) royalties.

      Both take administration fees from royalties collected but are not-for-profit (or at least I believe this is how they are both defined).

    19. Re:Nothing Good by Dorkmaster+Flek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Strangely, I'm finding this to be the most enjoyable period of time politically here for the last 2 years. It's so quiet and peacefully and no new stupid legislation! Dare I say it? I want it to last longer!!

      Oddly enough, I feel the same way... I'm of the opinion that the more time they spend bickering, the less damage they do.

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    20. Re:Nothing Good by IgLou · · Score: 2, Funny

      Either that or we change the debate process to involve weapons and the thunderdome. 4 go in 1 comes out!

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    21. Re:Nothing Good by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While some canadians tell me that they believe people that this dude thinks that he is this dude, I completely disagree, however I think that

      this guy believes himself to be this guy.

      This asshole really wants to be this asshole

      This goof is really this goof.

    22. Re:Nothing Good by billcopc · · Score: 2, Funny

      I, for one, welcome our new moosen overlords.

      Couldn't be much worse than this Harper guy...

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    23. Re:Nothing Good by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Absolutely! They all suck so bad, they're actually more effective when they're all deadlocked.

      I mean come on, which genius put Stephane Dion in a media-facing role ? They somehow managed to find the weakest, dumbest looking Quebecer ever bred.

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    24. Re:Nothing Good by Jabbrwokk · · Score: 1

      Bravo! That put a big smile on my face. Your analysis is dead-on. If I had mod points...

    25. Re:Nothing Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh, the sad part about it is that the Canadian Government is under the impression that other countries are concerned about this. Look on CNN or any other large news site, and it is a pain to try and find anything about it. My government is running around like a chicken with its head cut off. Hopefully the Opposition will stop whining and start working with the Conservatives....

    26. Re:Nothing Good by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

      My sister got bitten by a moose once...

    27. Re:Nothing Good by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

      Sounds like what's happening in Belgium, bickering, bitching, but no new laws (and ergo, no new taxes!)

    28. Re:Nothing Good by compro01 · · Score: 1

      At least he's now resigned.

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    29. Re:Nothing Good by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      Oh if only the situation were that positive.

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    30. Re:Nothing Good by Dexx · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'd rather have the moose running things.

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    31. Re:Nothing Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      What you failed to mention is that the funding that was going to be cut was, by law, the only funding the parties can get. So....Harper was essentially trying to eliminate all opposition to him. The Conservatives have a massive war chest from before when this legislation was passed.

      So people freaked out. Just like Harper, who is the biggest baby in recent Canadian history would have if the Liberals had done it to him.

      Don't forget, this came after an election that was called by Harper that broke his own fixed election date law.

    32. Re:Nothing Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I for one want the conservatives turfed. It's not okay to try to turn our country into a one-party state, and I don't care that he "took it back". Harper can no longer be trusted with power. He has to go.

    33. Re:Nothing Good by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but this isn't a Serious Screenplay, you can't say the B-word!

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    34. Re:Nothing Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was probably looking at an ark when he typed it.

    35. Re:Nothing Good by c · · Score: 1

      > Their leadership has abdicated to Keanu Reeves

      or, as the Inuit call him, "Keanu the wise". Easily the most effective and charismatic Prime Minister we've had here in Canada in decades.

      Hey, it's a pretty low bar.

      c.

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    36. Re:Nothing Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you have once, just once, used the word "butthurt" in your summary. I don't want to be anal, but it feels like this word was sorely needed to be included.

    37. Re:Nothing Good by despisethesun · · Score: 1

      Their leadership has abdicated to Keanu Reeves

      This would be an improvement over the bunch of morons squabbling over control of the government right now.

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    38. Re:Nothing Good by despisethesun · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I'm not a Harper supporter, but the whole HARPER == BUSH thing is just fucking ridiculous. It's useful, though, to determine whether or not someone's opinion on anything from there on out should be taken seriously.

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    39. Re:Nothing Good by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

      That "asshole" won my vote last election - the first time I've ever voted against the liberals. And that's saying something; oh, how I yearn for the good old days under Cretien.

      Just another data point for readers out there. Spoken as an upper middle class, single man in his late 20's. Jack Layton speaks with honesty, candour, and represents values that I associate with Canada - social freedom, and modern first world economic responsibility.

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    40. Re:Nothing Good by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      The Prime Minister decided to try and pass a budget that would cut funding to opposition parties and make sure that civil servants couldn't go on strike.

      And yet some wonder why people are opposed to campaign finance control laws...

    41. Re:Nothing Good by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      This is the definitive "Woah" right here.

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    42. Re:Nothing Good by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      She knows how to deal with Meese.

      She sends them packing to the country of Africa? :P

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    43. Re:Nothing Good by Strider- · · Score: 2, Funny

      I, for one, welcome our new moosen overlords.

      Just stay klear of der mouds. Møøse bites kan be pretty nasti...

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    44. Re:Nothing Good by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 1

      The Prime Minister decided to try and pass a budget that would cut funding to opposition parties

      I could be mistaken but I believe it was cutting government funding to all parties, not just the opposition parties.

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    45. Re:Nothing Good by Massacrifice · · Score: 1

      Harper does not need to be compared to anybody else. He stands on his own as self-absorbed politicians go. He's already on his way out too, whatever happens from here. History will remember him as "that guy from the west who wanted to give lesssons on stuff nobody needed to learn, and only ended waking up the canadian left and quebec separatists".

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    46. Re:Nothing Good by maxume · · Score: 1

      It was CELINE!!

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    47. Re:Nothing Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sums it up nicely.

    48. Re:Nothing Good by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are so naive. Layton never had a real job in his life, he speaks for the 'common men'? He wishes he was Lenin, but he is not even that, too lazy for that.

    49. Re:Nothing Good by citylivin · · Score: 1

      Maybe you want to sell our your country to alberta religious hicks who use tax dollars to mail out pure propaganda, but I dont. CONservatives have CONvinced the rural populations to vote for them, while they sell off their land to rich white folks. A conservative majority would be EXACTLY like a bush government. Cronyism, incompetence, spending and tax breaks for business and the loss of our healthcare. This article very easily illustrates the kind of things that they would do if they had a majority. We need to avoid that at all costs. I dont want some wannabee american alberta secessionists running my country. The best most honest political figure in the debates was duceppe. If he had any party offices outside quebec I would vote for him.

      I agree the liberal leadership is a joke. We need chretien back.

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    50. Re:Nothing Good by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Maybe you want to sell our your country to alberta religious hicks who use tax dollars to mail out pure propaganda, but I dont.

      - aha, I know what the Block and the rest want, just the taxes from the Alberta oil field but no representation of the folks that work there in the government. Nice going, dividing the country in ways that are more profound than simple language differences.

      CONservatives have CONvinced the rural populations to vote for them

      - not just the rural population, I am a libertarian but I vote conservative. I don't have a libertarian representative in my riding in Toronto.

      while they sell off their land to rich white folks.

      - that's the strangest statement yet.

      A conservative majority would be EXACTLY like a bush government.

      - right. Spending trillions on war? I don't see that. That's not even possible in this country with only 30 million population.

      Cronyism, incompetence, spending and tax breaks for business and the loss of our healthcare.

      - what healthcare? Where is this magical healthcare? I don't see it, many people don't. You have nerve, talking about cronyism, incompetence and spending and tax breaks after 12 years of liberals doing exactly that. Let's see, how about cronyism and incompetence and money wasted on Quebec by Chretien, let's not forget the sponsorship scandal. That's incompetence, that's cronyism, that's money wasted. During the liberals there was most tax breaks given to corporations than ever in history of Canada. What tree are you living on?

      This article very easily illustrates the kind of things that they would do if they had a majority.

      - what are you talking about? Since when ACTRA and SOCAN became part of the conservative federal government? Again, what are you smoking?

      We need to avoid that at all costs.

      - oh really? Selling the country to the Quebec secessionists, that's the price? Only 500 million today, and then the untold trillions later.

      Layton already had to change his stance on that '50 billion dollar tax cut to the corporations', which he was going to 'prevent'. Yeah, 'at all costs' means completely giving up one's ideals and selling out to the party whose only purpose is to break the country apart. Well you know what? If one side feels this, that it has to become the traitors and that's the cost of doing business, then the other side should attempt and remain in power 'at all costs'. I say bring in the tanks. Not like that is impossible (see Russia in 1991).

      I dont want some wannabee american alberta secessionists running my country.

      - you don't mind the Quebec secessionists though, speak French much?

      The best most honest political figure in the debates was duceppe.

      - Oh, definitely, he says right out: I want to break up this country but before I do this, I want the dough. He is absolutely honest, this I cannot deny. He is also a traitor who is in the government and is apparently running the show due to people like you.

      I agree the liberal leadership is a joke. We need chretien back.

      - Excellent, let's bring back the most corrupt incompetent liar, who held power for 12 years and provided the BQ with the power by allowing the party subsidies in the first place, so that now the Block can continue with their traitorous agenda.

      You are something else, aren't you?

    51. Re:Nothing Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WOW
      name calling... sorry picture associating as a method discrediting people who have different opinions then yourself AND you like Harper.....

      hmmmm coiencidence?

  4. What if everyone got a piece? by stonecypher · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder how Canadians would react if the other industries that get pirated off of the internet started getting a cut, too. Start snapping up 2% to movies, 3% to games, some money for tv and radio, et cetera. Then maybe pornography could get a free slice, then the books and magazine articles who are getting wholesale copied, et cetera. Suddenly people might start saying "hey, I've never pirated one of those, I don't even play games" or whatever. It's not like music is significantly more pirated than other things are.

    I honestly don't understand why the music industry gets to tax Canadians as a whole for the behavior of a few. Why do media sources get different treatment than the other industries? Shouldn't canadians be paying a Photoshop tax at this point?

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    1. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by jornak · · Score: 0, Funny

      Uh, c'mon... Who here has ever really paid for porn?

    2. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, it's like the tax on CD-Rs, isn't it? Clearly, they're just adjusting to the increased bandwidth and HDD space to legalize copying and sharing music and movies.

      Er... right?

    3. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by phorm · · Score: 1

      Just out of curiosity, who are you referring to "Canadians." These groups aren't representative, they're just a SIG with currently high visibility and low intelligence.

    4. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by Frymaster · · Score: 5, Interesting
      and the tax on cd-rs is such a wild success.

      witness my band. we suck. people hate us. no one comes to our shows. so, we release a cd. since we're not big enough to be granted an exemption, we pay the cd-r tax on all the blanks we use (and, yes, we used a legit duplication plant). of course, our cd sells miserably and we get nowhere near the beak-even point.

      which means.... we lose $300 putting out our cd, and the tax we paid on the blanks goes straight into the pockets of a big-name canadian act. perhaps avril levign. that's right: levign makes more money off my artistic creation than i do.

      thank you socan!

    5. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by philspear · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I honestly don't understand why the music industry gets to tax Canadians as a whole for the behavior of a few. Why do media sources get different treatment than the other industries? Shouldn't canadians be paying a Photoshop tax at this point?

      More to the point, why should they get to collect a toll off the internet but not me? I didn't make any music that is getting pirated by a few individuals, and neither did these guys.

    6. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and the tax on cd-rs is such a wild success.

      witness my band. we suck. people hate us. no one comes to our shows. so, we release a cd. since we're not big enough to be granted an exemption, we pay the cd-r tax on all the blanks we use (and, yes, we used a legit duplication plant). of course, our cd sells miserably and we get nowhere near the beak-even point.

      I really can't tell if your post is ironic or not.

    7. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wonder how Canadians would react if the other industries that get pirated off of the internet started getting a cut, too.

      Why stop at "industries"? Every person capable of holding a copyright to anything, should get a cut.

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    8. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      People from Canada are already paying taxes on music supplies, such as blank CDs and blank tapes. Those people, known as "Canadians", are to whom I refer.

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    9. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by The+Dancing+Panda · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well there's your problem. You're trying to promote yourself. You need to become recluses, only playing shows every so often so that very few people can figure out that you guys actually suck (or even who you are).

      Then, become friends with a series of emo, or even better, kids that call themselves "scene". Ask them if they have heard of your band (without making note of the fact that it's your band). Inevitably, they will not have heard of it. You will then be the coolest person among this crowd for knowing a band that no one has heard of. From there, make a CD of your shitty music, and give it to them.

      At this point, you sell your CD. Never perform a show again, but always make dates around town to perform, and then bail (if you like the club owners, tell them you're not going to show up in advance, and just put a poster on the door). You'll sell at least 1000 CD's before your manufactured unknown band fad bubble pops. Then, your band "breaks up", you form a new band with mostly the same members, and you do it again.

      I've never had the patience to deal with emo kids but if you do this could end up making you millions.

    10. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This tactic works surprisingly well with hipsters too if you don't mind forcing yourself to sound like neutral milk hotel.

    11. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Well yes, but the very first thing you said is that your band sucks. Do you think the government should give you money for sucking ?

      Maybe you should figure out why nobody likes your music, fix that, and then get in touch with A&R people that just might give you the promotion you need to blip on SOCAN's radar.

      I don't necessarily agree with the blank media levy, but I certainly don't agree with the idea of giving welfare handouts to shitty artists, and they already do too much of that.

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    12. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      uhhh, thing is, I don't think this has anything to do with piracy. I think these groups are trying to use the old "Canadian content laws! Save us from US cultural domination" bs to get money from isps.

    13. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by billcopc · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hope you have deep pockets, 'cause <blink>you just won five thousand internets</blink>

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    14. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by gwait · · Score: 1

      Now you've done it!
      It's as if the executives of a thousand industries suddenly looked up with a gleam in their eyes!

      Actually, without electricity, none of this would be possible, so I think they should just go right to the source and put a 100% blank tax on power lines,
      and give it to all Canadians! (umm.. wait..)

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    15. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by afxgrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is exactly what I've been arguing since they made this idea public: How does the money get spread? Who does it go to? The labels? The artists? Is it strictly on radio play and the charts? Or does the number of times a song gets downloaded come into play? How the fuck are they going to make this fair at all??! And how do they plan on monitoring this without blatantly spying on everyone using the Internet? And if it comes down to the number of times a song is downloaded, what stops someone from fraudulently making their song get downloaded more? I'd like to see how the CD-R media tax gets paid out currently ... it's probably a total joke.

      This is just some half-baked plan that won't work.

      The copyright 'system' should probably get scrapped and a new set of copyright laws and rights should be introduced, one that makes sense with the 'Information Age' - fuck I hate that term.

      Would people apply for a cut of the cash? What if a band doesn't release CDs, but people post recordings of their shows online - do they get a cut? Is registration with either of these agencies required to get a cut?

      This is obviously the idea of people who HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE ON HOW THE INTERNET WORKS.

      There's only one way around this whole problem - setup a massive website, that's not run by either of these agencies, but reports to them, and the government, that hosts all the music, and basically lets Canadians download for free from it. Which kind of defeats the whole purpose of taxing the ISP, as people should just be expected to pay for the content when they download it from said massive music website. So if they go with this idea, this way - statistics on listeners, viewership, can be gathered, the taxes on the ISPs can then go towards content in a 'fair' way - but how's this fair to all the people who don't download music, movies or any media?

      Maybe the telecommunications providers should just focus on providing bandwidth, and pool their resources into a common media database. Then prices and payouts can be fairly distributed by on-demand content. That's probably the ideal outcome ... this way bandwidth costs by the ISPs can be lowered as they could just have a direct link into the database, or host it themselves, and basically make programs like Bittorrent pointless for Canadian content.

      Having this run by a government organization is just asking for disgusting amounts of waste, but having a single private organization implies a monopoly ... the alternative could be a single very public organization, that basically shares all it's meeting information, allows the public to be involved, open forums, anonymous posting ability, details the operating costs, basically leave themselves open to insane amounts of criticism, and character attacks on the people operating it.

      If that was to happen, you can count on a copyright war between countries then ... as Canada would have protected it's own media interests, but not any other nation's ... then again, it's not like anyone else gives a fuck about us anyway. Too bad we signed onto things like the WIPO.

      Plus I think SOCAN is absolutely insane. 51% Canadian media content for all Canadian commercial websites!? What if the content provided by Canadians just can't keep up with that from the rest of the world? They're basically going to destroy commercial media enterprises by trying to get shit like that passed ... Canadians will just go elsewhere online and find the content they want, view the ads those people provide, make other people in other countries money...

      If they want Canadian media to remain competitive online, is make the massive database, and tax the ISPs... they'll just put the costs on the consumers anyway - so they might as well just make it a services tax directly to the consumer. Cable companies should probably be evolving their TV services anyway, and could offer TVoIP where customers subscribe to custom media playlists offered by a variety of people through the super-massive-media-database.

      What's the name of your band? Lord of the Onion Rings?

    16. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      Don't forget to create a wikipedia page and a myspace page of the band. Make sure the name matches what's on the CD. That will make you much more legit. Enjoy your success!

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    17. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by future+assassin · · Score: 1

      Then there is me a hobby photographer who stores his photos onto cd's or when I want to take them to get printed. So when I buy cd's I have to pay some ass fuck whose songs where written for him/her for the pleasure of storing and transporting my own copyrighted photos. Figure that one out.

      Up untill about two years ago I never really downloaded too much. Mostly if I didn't feel like ripping my already purchased cd's. But after a few times of paying the cd levy I seem to have gotten the itch to download any music I didn't even own.

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    18. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Demand an repayment of the CD levy with compound intrest. (Say 5% per month). And if the organization(s) dont comply take it to small claims court and get an default judgement against them.

    19. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thank you socan!

      It's not SOCAN's fault that you suck.

      If all you can do is suck you shouldn't be in music, there's another profession that could be making money in....

    20. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by wwwillem · · Score: 1

      Well yes, but the very first thing you said is that your band sucks. Do you think the government should give you money for sucking?

      No, you don't get it, a government shouldn't _take_ your money for 'sucking' and give it to the recording industry, Celine Dion, whatever.

      This is about "the right to suck" !!!

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    21. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      You need a pretty teenage girl to front your band, preferably one who looks a little edgy, but really isn't. Disney can clone you one for a very reasonable fee.

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    22. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The record companies probably aren't even obligated to pass any of that media tax proceeds along to the artists. I'd be surprised if they aren't hoarding 100% of it. It's extortion, pure and simple.

      And if citizens are paying this media tax, shouldn't they being protected from copyright infringement lawsuits?

    23. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by busmasterDMA · · Score: 1

      The record companies probably aren't even obligated to pass any of that media tax proceeds along to the artists. I'd be surprised if they aren't hoarding 100% of it. It's extortion, pure and simple. And if citizens are paying this media tax, shouldn't they being protected from copyright infringement lawsuits?

    24. Re:What if everyone got a piece? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hrrrrmmmmmmm..... mmmmmhh. I'm having a lot of trouble believing you are a Canadian music artist, as you do not know the name of one of the most famous of current successful Canadian music artists - Avril Lavigne. There, that's how you spell. Can you remember it? Maybe more people would like your band if you were not giving the impression of being illiterate.

  5. Hurts the honest man by pwnies · · Score: 1

    Honestly I don't see the point. Why use taxpayers money to create an infrastructure that is easily circumvented?
    Think of the children? Please. If some creepy dude wants pictures of children he'll a proxy.
    As far as schools go, it should be on their shoulders to filter what their students should or should not be able to view. This is the concept of gun control all over again - it hurts the honest man, as lawbreakers will easily find a way to circumvent it.

    1. Re:Hurts the honest man by billcopc · · Score: 1

      If some creepy dude wants pictures of children he'll a proxy.

      You accidentally the whole thing.

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    2. Re:Hurts the honest man by pwnies · · Score: 1

      /hangs his head in grammatical shame.

  6. Sounds like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    job creation program for lawyers. Just what we need: more babysitters for the Intertubes.

    1. Re:Sounds like by Adriax · · Score: 1

      Hrm... That works for me, let canada do the stimulus program to create jobs for lawyers, while america starts the infrastructure rebuild program. All the american lawyers will immigrate to canada for the better job prospects.
      Course then the canadian government will close the borders to protect their natural born lawyers, and the american lawyers will have to hop yachts and jump fences to get across the border. Soon immigrant lawyers in canada will be treated as second class citizens, sitting on street corners waiting for people with day-lawsuit work to drive by in a truck and grab them. Some will bring their entire families, others will just do work and save every bit they can to send a measly $100k a month to their poor, destitute families they left living in condos with only 2 vacation homes in the US.

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    2. Re:Sounds like by billcopc · · Score: 1

      As long as someone gets shot in the process, that's cool by me.

      Canada (and by greater measure, the U.S.) doesn't need more lawyers, or more laws; what we need is more smart. All this reactionary legislation and "OMG teh children!!" babble is not helping anyone. If we don't want to degenerate into another civil war, someone had better make corrective actions before the system becomes unsustainable again.

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  7. Oh, Canada by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Earlier today there was a slashdot story about how Obama was critical that "it is 'unacceptable' that the US ranks 15th in broadband adoption."

    I don't think he has to worry about the Canadians.

    This includes a new three-percent tax on ISPs to pay for new media creation,

    This is stupid. People around the world are creating content daily. Did the Bushes move north?

    Canadian content requirements for commercial websites,

    This is no different than their TV, I doubt it will really hurt anything... except for that tax thing. And it depends on how high the tax is.

    and licensing requirements for new media broadcasters, including for user-generated content.

    That's just brain-dead stupid, and meant to keep the unwashed rabble from having their say.

    And to think that Bush had me thinking of retiring to Canada despite the fact that I hate winter. I guess nowhere's safe from rich, egtistical, authoritarian idiots.

    1. Re:Oh, Canada by compro01 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The government is not saying this. This is SOCAN (Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada) and ACTRA (Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists) proposing this.

      It's analogous to the wailing the RIAA and MPAA put up in the US, aside from that it doesn't get as much traction up here.

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    2. Re:Oh, Canada by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      I guess nowhere's safe from rich, egotistical, authoritarian idiots.

      Let's all move there then.

      On a more serious note, living in international waters may be possible. Or maybe some of the northernmost regions of Antarctica? Korea's Demilitarized Zone?

    3. Re:Oh, Canada by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's analogous to the wailing the RIAA and MPAA put up in the US, aside from that it doesn't get as much traction up here.

      More ice, eh?

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  8. Suddenoutbreakof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thestupid.

  9. That's Scott by hamburgler007 · · Score: 0

    He's a dick.

  10. Oh yeah, and Canada too.. by R2.0 · · Score: 1

    I really am scratching my head over England and Australia. It almost seems like they see the US going down a path and are racing each other to beat us to the end.

    I just posted this in the story on Australia. Who else did I miss - Bermuda? the Virgin Islands? The Falklands?

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    1. Re:Oh yeah, and Canada too.. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I really am scratching my head over England and Australia. It almost seems like they see the US going down a path and are racing each other to beat us to the end.

      With the Patriot Act and DCMA, Australia and the UK are still a full decade behind the US in the fascist government department.

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    2. Re:Oh yeah, and Canada too.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't go bringing up DMCA if I were you. The UK now has equally draconian legislation

      -- except it's worse, because the "fair use" defence does not exist in the UK.

      PATRIOT I'll give you. There's also a lot of other stupid crap like COPPA and some provisions of the PROTECT Act that the UK doesn't quite have yet.

      But basically, we're all going to Hell in the same handbasket, and it's great to watch people pointing at each other, as we all plummet towards the same fiery torment, and saying stuff like "at least he's going to be flayed alive by a horde of screaming demons ten minutes before I will be!"

  11. I don't like it by Oqnet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I live in Canada and we have a simular thing with radio. They have to play X amount of hours of Canadian content, which is good because it gives the local artists some play(usually unless they blast Celine Dion *winmper*). But to do this for Candadian websites seems just weird. How is this going to benifit Canadians to have X amount of Canadian content on the sites. I don't see why it needs to be regulated any further than not allow children from seeing explicit material(excess violence and sexuality), which probably doesn't stop most children anyways(didn't when I was 16), but I can see it's usefullness.

    Regulation of the internet in any way takes away apart of what the internet is. Freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and rarly do you have to listen to someone bluber an idiotic viewpoint. Regulating the internet goes against what it has come to represent raw informtion. Not always accurat not always sensable but I wouldn't change it for anything.

    If people are afraid of the internet so much that they want to change it, I would like to ask them why? Why do they need to confine Canadian websites to having a certain amount Canadian content when it's a global community. The content shouldn't be limited because of the location the domain is in. Places like CBC.ca TSN.ca and CTV.ca are always going to have the canadian content I want. news.google.ca maps.google.ca all have local content for me if I need them. People do a good job of keeping canadian content and other out there for everyone because it's in their best interest.

    This group is silly and I would like to know if there is somewhere I could send a letter telling them as much.

    1. Re:I don't like it by Arthur+B. · · Score: 1

      Somehow freedom of speech, freedom of expression don't apply to radio according to you?

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    2. Re:I don't like it by Hordeking · · Score: 1

      I live in Canada and we have a simular thing with radio. They have to play X amount of hours of Canadian content, which is good because it gives the local artists some play(usually unless they blast Celine Dion *winmper*). But to do this for Candadian websites seems just weird. How is this going to benifit Canadians to have X amount of Canadian content on the sites. I don't see why it needs to be regulated any further than not allow children from seeing explicit material(excess violence and sexuality), which probably doesn't stop most children anyways(didn't when I was 16), but I can see it's usefullness.

      Regulation of the internet in any way takes away apart of what the internet is. Freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and rarly do you have to listen to someone bluber an idiotic viewpoint. Regulating the internet goes against what it has come to represent raw informtion. Not always accurat not always sensable but I wouldn't change it for anything.

      If people are afraid of the internet so much that they want to change it, I would like to ask them why? Why do they need to confine Canadian websites to having a certain amount Canadian content when it's a global community. The content shouldn't be limited because of the location the domain is in. Places like CBC.ca TSN.ca and CTV.ca are always going to have the canadian content I want. news.google.ca maps.google.ca all have local content for me if I need them. People do a good job of keeping canadian content and other out there for everyone because it's in their best interest.

      This group is silly and I would like to know if there is somewhere I could send a letter telling them as much.

      Send it to Steven Harper and whoever your elected officials are. Couldn't be easier. If you want them to listen, make a phone call. If you really want them to listen, demand to visit in person.

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    3. Re:I don't like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Canada and we have a simular thing with radio.

      Looks like you learned the same English as Dubya. Nucular is simular to nuclear.

    4. Re:I don't like it by orclevegam · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not that I necessarily agree with him (or don't), but I think his point was something along the lines of Radio being a somewhat localized medium, requiring a certain amount of local content makes it easier for local performers to get exposure. The internet on the other hand, being massively non-localized and more or less free to everyone, it makes no sense and serves no purpose to require "local" websites to carry a certain percentage of local content, as the location of the servers hosting a website makes no difference to the content of that website, nor where it can be accessed from (barring local regulations, censorship, or routing issues).

      The worlds copyright and patent systems are in need of massive reform, as they don't seem to be living up to the ideals they promised (namely providing incentive for the production of new works). Rather in most cases modern copyright and patent seems to function primarily as a crutch to prop up record companies (as opposed to artists), and as a stick that corporations can beat each other with. Does copyright and patent have some good ideas and good uses? Yes, but nowhere near as many as the abuses it seems to be put to lately.

      Unfortunately I don't have a better system to propose, nor even a set of suggestions on how the current one can be fixed, other than perhaps by reducing the span of copyright to something like say 10 years, and putting more stringent requirements on the issuing of patents. What I do know is that the current system doesn't seem to cut it, and hopefully we can come up with something better.

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    5. Re:I don't like it by kyrio · · Score: 1

      Those concepts have nothing to do with radio. Playing American music for ratings has nothing to do with freedom of speech or expression. TV and radio stations are not beings, they are methods to distrubute audio and video.

    6. Re:I don't like it by nickspoon · · Score: 1

      Dear ACTRA and SOCAN,

      We think you're silly.

      Love, Slashdot.

    7. Re:I don't like it by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      You can apply the same concept to everything that's not a person on a street corner. Websites, television stations, newspapers, pamphlets, and megaphones are also not beings. They're methods to distribute whatever material or speech one deems fit. Should we take all those away too?

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    8. Re:I don't like it by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Regulation of the internet in any way takes away apart of what the internet is. Freedom of speech,

      Bingo, you win todays prize. It is all about government reducing free speech.

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    9. Re:I don't like it by westlake · · Score: 1
      The internet on the other hand, being massively non-localized and more or less free to everyone, it makes no sense and serves no purpose to require "local" websites to carry a certain percentage of local content

      The Internet may look free global to the geek. I am not convinced it is going to stay that way. If the price is that regional and national cultures will be overwhelmed.

      The worlds copyright and patent systems are in need of massive reform, as they don't seem to be living up to the ideals they promised (namely providing incentive for the production of new works).

      These are some of the films scheduled for release in 2009:

      Ashen
      Avatar [$200 million budget, 3-D, James Cameron, Sigourney Weaver]
      Friday the Thirteenth
      Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
      G.I. Joe
      Gran Torino [Clint Eastwood]
      Ice Age 3: Dawn of the Dinosaurs [think Scrat in "The Lost World"]
      Monsters vs, Aliens [Dreamworks Animation]
      Prince of Persia: The Sands of Tine
      Star Trek

      Terminator: Salvation
      The Spirit
      The Lovely Bones ["magic realism"]
      Transformers 2
      Watchman
      The Wolfman [The teen age vampire. Universal]
      X-Men Origins: Wolverine

      2009 Upcoming Films

      If you think the list lacks - originality - don't blame the copyright regime. Look in the mirror. This is as geek as it gets. Schlock horror. Comic books and the Graphic Novel, Video Games, and Stra Trek.

    10. Re:I don't like it by supernova_hq · · Score: 1

      Well, so much for my Canadian-hosted Asian foods website...

    11. Re:I don't like it by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Why do they need to confine Canadian websites to having a certain amount Canadian content when it's a global community. The content shouldn't be limited because of the location the domain is in.

      Luckily this is easy to work around: simply have Canadian webmasters compose an archive of free Canadian content, have everyone who puts up a website get it via a torrent, put it into a subdirectory somewhere in their website, and link to it from the main page with "Canadian content mandated by law" as a link text. If you agree on some standard CSS class to use with the link (such as "a:stupid_law_link"), the more knowledgeable users can even filter the link out automatically with a custom CSS style sheet.

      That's the nice thing about the Web over radio: since it's pull technology, mandatory content doesn't need to interfere with the actual one. It just sits there and takes up some hard disk space.

      And of course the hosting services could put the archive into a read-only (to the client) device, allowing hosted websites to link it in without needing to waste space storing it over and over.

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    12. Re:I don't like it by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 1

      The airwaves are a public resource. Stations don't own them. If private companies want to run a business and make a profit by exploiting a common resource, I don't see the problem with making them support local talent instead of just rebroadcasting American stuff. It really has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

  12. Once again I shout ABOLISH THE CRTC! by Powercube · · Score: 1

    Seriously, if we don't get rid of them- this shit is going to keep happening. No longer are they interested in even just screwing consumers for big business, they are living in some sort of totalitarian dreamworld. This must end or Canada's high-tech economy is doomed.

    1. Re:Once again I shout ABOLISH THE CRTC! by Jeff+Hornby · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe you should look at the article again, or even the summary. This isn't the CRTC, this is ACTRA and SOCAN. While groups like this are pretty powerful in the U.S., they're really not too powerful up here.

      And do you really think the CRTC is going to tax ISPs? That would be Bell and Rogers? When have the CRTC ever sttod up to either of those companies?

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  13. The day this will come to the US by Arthur+B. · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It will be disguised as "net neutrality".

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    1. Re:The day this will come to the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It will be disguised as "net neutrality".

      And those of us that remember that Net Neutrality is about not allowing ISPs to control us will vote against it.

      We created the movement. I'm not about to let RIAA types take it over.

    2. Re:The day this will come to the US by Arthur+B. · · Score: 1

      No actually it's about allowing the government to control the ISP's routers.

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  14. More crappy can con(canadian content) by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actra is a performers union and socan is basically an artists union. Socan actually got a law passed that taxes blank media that supposedly gives money to the artists that lose money from IP theft. So don't underestimate these bozos. The key is that the internet allows us to do an end run around the stupid laws that keep forcing crap content onto Canadian TV and radio. What the hell would be Canadian content on the Internet? The whole idea of these stupid can con laws was to put Canadian artists on a "level" playing field with the US. But with the Internet a level playing field would basically be a combination of bandwidth and a lack of stupid laws. So if they create a bunch of stupid laws then Canadian web sites would be disadvantaged not helped. The only winners would be these organizations that collect these fees. I wonder how much of the present money collected from the media tax goes to artists when calculated as a simple percentage of monies collected and not a number generated by some convoluted accounting. If you are Canadian, write your MP and tell them that this will hurt Canadian IT badly.

    1. Re:More crappy can con(canadian content) by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

      One other issue is that say a Canadian develops the next funny-or-die; yet most of the users are American and thus the content is mostly American. Now we might have these organizations yelling that the Americans (10-1 population) are drowning us out or some such nonsense. How is a Canadian going to get investors who might worry that these organizations are going to come knocking? Talk about an innovation killer.

  15. Tag ^5. by Uchiha · · Score: 0, Troll

    HUGE bonus points for the fuckactra tag.

  16. Ob SP Ref by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ACTRA/SOCAN are not your friend, pal.

    1. Re:Ob SP Ref by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not your pal, buddy.

    2. Re:Ob SP Ref by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      He's not your buddy, guy!

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    3. Re:Ob SP Ref by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not your buddy, oyster.

  17. Gawd... by whisper_jeff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a Canadian, allow me to say these people need to fuck the hell off.

    Please.

    What? No need for me to be rude...

    1. Re:Gawd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an American, allow me to say I completely agree with you.
       
      Why can't the world have a damn break from all the absurdities? Keep slapping the greedy, pocket-lining bastards down.

    2. Re:Gawd... by euxneks · · Score: 4, Funny

      As a true Canadian, you would have known to say:
      "As a canuck, let me say these hosers need to Piss off eh!"

      ;P

      Just doing my part to help spread stereotypes.

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    3. Re:Gawd... by Samschnooks · · Score: 2, Funny

      As a Canadian, allow me to say these people need to fuck the hell off.

      Babelfish doesn't have an option to translate to American from Canadian. Does it mean the same thing here?

    4. Re:Gawd... by Shark · · Score: 3, Funny

      The Canadian part was 'Please.'

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    5. Re:Gawd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Dave Thomas will entirely have to stop by your place and bludgeon you with a live beaver coated with maple syrup while shouting "It's 'Take Off, Eh!' You Hoser!".

    6. Re:Gawd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. I'm Canadian too. I would very politely tell them to fuck the hell off, thank you. There are Canadian websites with Canadian content on the internet. I may or may not visit them. If something changes, I would very unkindly and very unpolitely tell them to GET THE FUCK OFF MY INTERNET. I may also call them lame pathetic, useless ass-hats who would have better exposure if they had better product. I don't need a nimrod telling me what sites I need to go to. They can very kindly FUCK OFF! (But politely)

    7. Re:Gawd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed

    8. Re:Gawd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "As a canuck, let me say these hosers need to Piss off eh!"

      No, no, no! The hosers need to take off, eh!
      Where you been, back to the outhouse or something?

    9. Re:Gawd... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      They're only stereotypes if they're wrong.

  18. Wrong day! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't it 4 1/2 months until April 1?

    ...laura

  19. Tie porn to it and it will die by RichMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How many copyright porn movies/images get copied over the internet.

    How much of this money would be funneled directly to the porn industry compared to other copying.

    Make that number public it will quickly be pushed under the table.

    1. Re:Tie porn to it and it will die by Jimmyisikura · · Score: 1

      Your right, we need to help out the Canadian porn industry, and they will help us in return. We give them a voice, they tank the bill.

    2. Re:Tie porn to it and it will die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... who are the cutest Canadian porn actresses.... eh?

    3. Re:Tie porn to it and it will die by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      Never thought I'd be able to quote this on /....

      "Oh right, like you need an excuse to watch porn!"

      "Canadian porn! Trust me when I tell you their universal health care system doesn't cover breast implants. If I have to sit through one more flat-chested Nova Scotian riding a Mountie on the back of a Zamboni, I'll go OOT of my mind!"

    4. Re:Tie porn to it and it will die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hrmm i think the phrase "pushed under the table" in copyrighted by some porn czar. you now owe him 2% or your 2 cents

  20. I don't think we have to worry by earthforce_1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    With our embattled prime minister basically shutting down Parliament until end of January, at which time he is likely to get turfed in a confidence motion, I don't think this proposal will see the light of day.

    In fact, (crosses fingers) I don't think given how the opposition finally grew some gonads and ganged up to toss him out of his chair, he will dare re-introduce a C-61 clone either.

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    1. Re:I don't think we have to worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish you were right, but the Liberals introduced similar bills when they were in power too.

    2. Re:I don't think we have to worry by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unless of course we have an election and the idiots who don't understand how parliament works and are angry over Harper getting booted turn around and give him a majority. Which really seems like the most likely possibility at this point.

    3. Re:I don't think we have to worry by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      In fact, (crosses fingers) I don't think given how the opposition finally grew some gonads and ganged up to toss him out of his chair, he will dare re-introduce a C-61 clone either.

      While I'd love to see that happen, the reason they ganged up on him was because he tried axing their tax-funded subsidies. The lack of an economic plan and other motions were merely icing on the cake that sounded better than "we're losing our taxpayer funding."

      Mind you, I'm all for keeping the subsidy. It's the most direct way of registering support for a party (about $2 directly to the party you voted for), and allows the limiting of individual donations (and bans donations by organizations entirely), leaving us theoretically free of the legalized bribery seen in US politics.

      Of *course* the Conservatives want to get rid of that; being in the pocket of big business, they have the most to gain if they follow up by repealing the donation bans on organizations.

    4. Re:I don't think we have to worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you prefer a traitor (person or party) to Canada as prime minister or as leader of a coalition government? Harper should have locked the opposition parties out of parliament and introduced legislation to have all funding of the opposition parties terminated forthwith. He could then use that money to fund the military. A dictatorship is only bad if freedoms are curtailed.

    5. Re:I don't think we have to worry by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 1

      Yep, all the people who did even worse than him in the election got together... and this is an improvement how?

      By all means defeat the government in a confidence vote 3 months after the last election - then do the right thing and have another election so the people can express their opinion. My bet is the people who force that election will get their collective asses handed to them by an electorate who would like the fucking politicians to quit screwing around. But that's just me.

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    6. Re:I don't think we have to worry by Punko · · Score: 1

      The current prime minister has locked parliament because he believed he would loose a vote. Not that he lost a vote, but rather he believes he would have lost it. In 2004 he wrote a letter to the GG indicating that should the then Liberal minority government lose the confidence of the House, he could form a coalition government with the NDP with support from the Bloc. Was he a traitor then? No. Are the Liberals traitors now? No. Could any intelligent person call the Bloc traitors? No.

      The current government was able to run the previous minority parliament as a majority due to a weak opposition. When presented with an opposition that wouldn't simply fall over to every demand, he picked up his ball and went home. The current prime minister has no idea how to make a minority parliament work: through consensus and non-partisan decision making. He does not share power even within his own party, how can he share power with other parties in the House?

      The Canadian people spoke in the last election to NOT give him a majority. Most elected representatives have indicated that they would vote down this government, as they have lost confidence in it. In our parliamentary system, this means that the majority of Canadians have lost confidence in this government. Unless the prime minister can introduce a budget that meets the needs of a sufficient number of oppposition parties, this government will fall.

      And we'll see the long knives of the Conservative party come out and take Mr. Harper down. Four kicks at the can, and no majority? If this government falls before spring, Mr. Harper will be Conservative leader no more. Mr. Prentice & friends will see to that.

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    7. Re:I don't think we have to worry by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 1

      I was kind of scared about the coalition talks creating a backlash that could lead to a Conservative majority, but you know, I just don't see it. Harper's shameless divisiveness, regionalism, and partisan hackery has created a huge amount of disdain for him in Quebec (and probably given the Bloc a boost in the process). It'll take years to undo the damage, and it's practically impossible to get a majority without at least *some* support in Quebec.

    8. Re:I don't think we have to worry by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I hope you're right. I know everyone here in Alberta is screaming for blood (of course), but the friends and family I have in Ontario are also none too happy. And when Ontario is unhappy with you, you've got problems.

      The latest polls I saw showed the Conservatives with a pretty commanding lead, but they also showed that lead almost disappearing when the Liberals choose a new leader, so perhaps it will work out.

    9. Re:I don't think we have to worry by garett_spencley · · Score: 1

      I prefer a minority government and hope that this goes on as long as possible. The only thing the house can do is legislate and we don't need legislation right now. It's funny that the coalition is accusing Harper of partisanship but that's exactly what they're doing as well. In Dion's address he used very warm words like "consensus" and "cooperation" but he never actually presented a plan. He just pointed fingers at Harper and accused him of not cooperating and playing partisanship games without even getting into specific examples.

      Harper's been the first Prime Minister in my life time to lower my taxes. As a middle-class self-employed Canadian bringing US currency into the country (I admit I'm a minority in that regard) the last 2 years have been very good to me. I'm also someone who was scared when the conservatives were elected because I've traditionally been very left and was concerned over allegations that Harper = GW Bush. However, the Liberals and NDP lost my vote in October and anyone will have a hell of a time convincing me to vote to change the only 2 years of my life that I've been happy with my government. That's not to say that I agree with all of Harper's policies. He did reopen the abortion and gay marriage issues and he has played up security theater. However, compared to the Liberals and NDP he's the lesser of the evils. I don't see how the Liberals intend to stimulate the economy by raising taxes and investing in failing industries.

  21. CanCon for the Web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As if Canadian Television and film (with RARE exception) isn't dull enough. We just made our political landscape as interesting as the US, let's not dull-down our internet by CanCon regulations (where rural angst and bad hairstyles will flourish).

    1. Re:CanCon for the Web by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      As if Canadian Television and film (with RARE exception) isn't dull enough.

      Stargate?

    2. Re:CanCon for the Web by i_ate_god · · Score: 1

      Corner Gas?

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    3. Re:CanCon for the Web by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      Trailer Park Boys. RIP.

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  22. Not enough French content, Eh? by PPH · · Score: 1

    Seriously, this is really stupid. If they add 3% to the cost of 'Net content in Canada, it will just go elsewhere.

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  23. OK, wait a minute... by theoriginalturtle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Canadian content requirements for commercial websites? What, so walmart.ca would have to sell at least 80% hoser merchandise? The Globe and Mail website would have to feature at least 75% Canadian news even if nothing happened in the Great White North that day?

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    1. Re:OK, wait a minute... by sanso999 · · Score: 1

      And this forum would need to be 3/4 Canadian or we would get the "Not available in your area" message?

    2. Re:OK, wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, what retard modded this "interesting" ?

  24. anti-telecom by Spartz · · Score: 1

    Woahhh, Canada seems to be increasingly anti-telecommunication. Maybe all of this internet and connectedness means the end of nationstate governments and big business monopolies/cartels. They're fighting to protect it. I hope Canadian citizens aren't suckers.

    1. Re:anti-telecom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but we live next to the States, so a lot of stupidity rubs off on us.

      Don't get me wrong though... Canada comes up with whole new flavours of stupidity to introduce back into the States in return.

  25. Is Canada becoming a digital Ghetto? by Axiom_D · · Score: 1

    Jesse Brown (of the Search Engine Podcast) did a great job talking about this type of thing. http://www.cbc.ca/searchengine/blog/2008/11/podcast_12_is_up.html And this just adds to it.

  26. I thought by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I thought Rush had split up?

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  27. So uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if I build my own micro-scale intranet inside a building which models how the "real-world" internet works am I still subject to an ISP tax because I'm providing myself with "internet" services which I have to maintain and costs me money? What if I post user-generated content on my miniature web model? Do I have to bill myself for that, or moderate what I put up on my own servers? Am I confusing the shit out of myself?

    1. Re:So uh... by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's 3% of $0 ?

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    2. Re:So uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      11

  28. Minority Mandates by DynaSoar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Canada has a proud heritage of this. One province forced the entire country to have to be effectively bilingual. Then when that province wanted to secede, the First Nations who owned the land that 2/3 of their hydroelectric power came from, regardless of actual population numbers, refused to go along, and stopped it cold. So I've no doubt this could actually go into practice in the Great White. I also have no doubt that nobody can require an artist to conduct their business from any given country without forceably restraining them. Canadian artists will simply produce elsewhere, leaving the ISPs to fork over 3% of what Serenity's staff theoretical mathematician Jayne Cobb described as "let's see, nuthin', plus nuthin', carry the nuthin'..."

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    1. Re:Minority Mandates by Lapsed_Pacifist_2876 · · Score: 2, Informative

      One province forced the entire country to have to be effectively bilingual. Then when that province wanted to secede...

      That's just so completely inaccurate and misleading. Even in my home province of Alberta, about as redneck and xenophobic as Canadians get, has several francophone communities. There were a lot of reasons to become officially bilingual. Not everything bad that happens in Canada can be blamed on Quebec. 30%, tops.

    2. Re:Minority Mandates by Lord+Satri · · Score: 4, Informative

      One province forced the entire country to have to be effectively bilingual. Then when that province wanted to secede, the First Nations who owned the land that 2/3 of their hydroelectric power came from, regardless of actual population numbers, refused to go along, and stopped it cold.

      Are you trying to be funny? You've got modded "Interesting", so let me set some records strait. First, the "entire country" is not "effectively bilingual". It is officially bilingual as a whole, yes, but try speaking French in most parts of Canada outside the Province of Quebec... Even in several areas of Montreal, the biggest city of the francophone province (where I live), it can sometimes be hard to be served in French!

      Second, as a French Canadian myself, I'm convinced First Nations did not play a big role at the last referendum. Sure, they were part of a very large equation, but clearly did not "stopped it cold" as you claim. And they don't "own" the 2/3 of electricity-providing land of the province.

    3. Re:Minority Mandates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One province forced the entire country to have to be effectively bilingual.

      The crazy part of that is the English won that war and GAVE them the right to be able to use that bucket of sand on us.

    4. Re:Minority Mandates by ve3oat · · Score: 1

      "Canada has a proud heritage of this. One province forced the entire country to have to be effectively bilingual."

      Sorry, but there is only one bilingual province in Canada and that is New Brunswick. Quebec is not bilingual (try to get service in English!) and Ontario is not bilingual (try to get service in French!), and British Columbia and Alberta will never be bilingual (well, maybe English and Japanese). The other provinces, well ... it's not an issue.

    5. Re:Minority Mandates by SpiderClan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Being redneck and xenophobic has nothing to do with what language you speak. There are plenty of parts of Quebec and the rest of the world where people who don't speak a word of English fit both those descriptions perfectly.

    6. Re:Minority Mandates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like Miami, FL.

    7. Re:Minority Mandates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One province? je m'excuse, mais la province de Nouveau Brunswick est un province des deux langues officels de Canada. Not to mention the french population of Nova Scotia.

      I don't disagree with your point, just saying that Canada is bilingual for more than just la belle province ... /not french, but proud to speak the language

    8. Re:Minority Mandates by kwandar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Who modded this rant as +5? Mod this down ... way down! Outside of the fact that this rant is completely off topic, it is also completely inaccurate:

      - There are at least 4 multilingual provinces, including the two largest. This bozo has obviously not been to Northern Ontario where french is as common as english. No, Quebec did not force other provinces to be blingual.

      - There has NEVER been a vote that permitted succession in Quebec. So again, the First Nations/hydro electric is crap

      - This isn't about forcing artists to provide content in Canada.

      What a bunch of whining dribble. +5 for this?!!

    9. Re:Minority Mandates by freeweed · · Score: 1

      First, the "entire country" is not "effectively bilingual".

      This is correct. For non-Canadians out there, we have Quebec, with only one enforced language, French. And the rest of Canada, with 2 official languages, English and French.

      Canada is only bilingual outside of Quebec. Ironic, that.

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    10. Re:Minority Mandates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy, you got that wrong. As you no doubt know, only one province is properly bilingual (New Brunswick). In some respects other provinces -- including Quebec -- cater to both languages. Try for example checking the government websites of all the provinces. Only four provinces offer versions in both languages -- and wouldn't you know it? one of them is Quebec (version 1, version 2). The other three are Ontario, Manitoba, and of course New Brunswick. All the rest, to use your word, "enforce" one language -- and it ain't French.

      But please feel free to keep spreading misinformation and political propaganda. You do, after all, live in a (relatively) free country.

    11. Re:Minority Mandates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, the concerns of the First Nations (who wanted to remain Canadian) would have only become an issue in the event of the referendum passing. Then the question would have turned to the details of implementing Quebec's "Sovereignty Association" (I still don't know what that means). Only one of many questions would have been whether the First Nations groups could be forced to stay in Quebec if Quebec was able to succeed from Canada.

    12. Re:Minority Mandates by Hannah+E.+Davis · · Score: 1

      I've seen more English in Quebec than French out here in BC.

      Anything related to the Federal Government is bilingual, of course, but for all intents and purposes, Alberta/Saskatchewan/Manitoba/Nova Scotia/Newfoundland/most of Ontario are English-only, BC is officially English but a lot of election propaganda is sent out in Chinese too, New Brunswick and the city of Ottawa are bilingual, and I think the territories are English/Inuktitut or something. Canada is a diverse country and our official languages, on a federal and provincial level, reflect that.

      I don't understand why people whine about French anyway. I never managed to become fluent and forgot most of what I learned in school, but I'm still glad I made an effort. Learning even a little bit of another language is a great way to learn more about your own language and culture by looking at someone else's.

    13. Re:Minority Mandates by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 1

      For many years Canada was quite bilingual - every school kid across the country was forced to take French lessons from grade school on up. Hell it's been a lot longer than I want to think about since I've been in school but after taking a half dozen years of French classes in school, every day, I could probably still make it by for simple day to day stuff. That's in the past now though - it seems at some point the French became optional, which makes a lot of sense to me given that where I live there are about 1000 times as many people speaking Asian languages as there are speaking French. In fact I think there are more German speaking people here than French speaking.

      As to what happened with the First Nations during the separatist vote it was fairly funny. Quebec separatists were saying "We are culturally distinct, we are a separate nation and we have the right to separate from Canada if we want to!" and the First Nations in Quebec were saying "We are culturally distinct, we are a separate nation and we have the right to separate from Quebec [if it separates from Canada] if we want to!"

      To which the separatist response was something along the lines of "ummm, errr, ummm, NO! That's different! You can't leave a sovereign Quebec!"

      In fact political ridings were analysed according to their separatist/non-separatist leanings and if each region in Quebec got to make the same choice (to stay or not) as the separatists wanted for Quebec then Quebec would have been pretty neatly split into a northern territory that was still Canadian (and had all the hydro) and a southern territory that was a separate country (but still wanted to use Canadian currency, Canadian passports etc. etc.).

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    14. Re:Minority Mandates by gobbo · · Score: 1

      He meant redneck and xenophobic towards francophones in that particularly virulent and parochial quasi-texan Alberta style, you doofus.

    15. Re:Minority Mandates by gobbo · · Score: 1

      There has NEVER been a vote that permitted succession in Quebec.

      I think you meant to type "secession" there.

    16. Re:Minority Mandates by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 1

      You...don't understand the differences between the federal and provincial governments, do you?

    17. Re:Minority Mandates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One province forced the entire country to have to be effectively bilingual. Then when that province wanted to secede, the First Nations who owned the land that 2/3 of their hydroelectric power came from, regardless of actual population numbers, refused to go along, and stopped it cold.

      Are you trying to be funny? You've got modded "Interesting", so let me set some records strait. First, the "entire country" is not "effectively bilingual". It is officially bilingual as a whole, yes, but try speaking French in most parts of Canada outside the Province of Quebec... Even in several areas of Montreal, the biggest city of the francophone province (where I live), it can sometimes be hard to be served in French!

      Second, as a French Canadian myself, I'm convinced First Nations did not play a big role at the last referendum. Sure, they were part of a very large equation, but clearly did not "stopped it cold" as you claim. And they don't "own" the 2/3 of electricity-providing land of the province.

      Actually, if you tried to leave Canada, and they claimed the land, then yes, they WOULD own it. My guess, is they'd want to stay in Canada.

      As for Official Bilingualism; what a farce!!! Regularly, I see qualified personnel removed from government job competitions because they cannot speak french. Wow! So then they put in a 'bilingual' person who speaks marginal English (at best) and MAYBE can even do the job.

      My father in law used to go APE when he'd call down south to Vancouver Federal Government offices, and be greeted in French. In a province where there are more Mandarin speakers than anything other than English.

      As for the above post about succession; the Native issue was played up a LOT in the rest of Canada. It had the makings of a war (if they demanded protection and citizenship, Canada would have HAD to respond and occupy to protect it's citizens).

      That being said, I think this person was mixing up the whole native issue with Elija Harper standing up in Manitoba Parliament and killing off the Meech Lake Accord. Thank goodness he did; what idiot decided to change our constitutional ratification process to 100%? The idiot that deserves to have their vote fail.

      On the flip side, Newfoundlanders were hoping for Quebec separation; it would have shortened the drive to Toronto to visit their (working) cousins by 4 or 5 hours....

  29. I propose legislation... by thenewguy001 · · Score: 1

    to ban members of these groups from the internet. How's that for regulation? Motherfuckers

  30. Cultural Coercion? by MarkvW · · Score: 3, Funny

    I, for one, welcome my Canadian Cultural Overlords!

    EH?

  31. Why always north america ? by unity100 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    why is it that such greedy corporate shill organizations always come out of north america and try to scuttle even the biggest inventions mankind made, just for their own shitty gain ?

    1. Re:Why always north america ? by mrbcs · · Score: 1
      Well,

      Dennis Leary said it best: "I'm an asshole!"

      Seems the whole world is full of em now. Never seen so many pissed off people for so many different reasons in my life.

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    2. Re:Why always north america ? by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      Maybe because you're not paying attention to the rest of the world?

      Australia is as bad as any of them. The UK is comparable. Germany and France keep going back and forth. The rest of western Europe has varying track records.

      Fundamentally, it's free-market capitalist societies that suffer from this sort of thing, because in authoritarian countries, it's not tolerated. On the other hand, neither is unrestricted access, generally.

      It's not that one is better than the other, it's just that the shit stinks differently.

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      "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
    3. Re:Why always north america ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never mind that North America INVENTED the internet industry? Are you even reading what you write?

    4. Re:Why always north america ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never mind that North America INVENTED the internet industry?

      And Britain INVENTED the computer, and Britain INVENTED the Web (which Internet industry wouldn't exist without). Oh, and Britain INVENTED North America in its current guise, and Britain INVENTED the industrial revolution, and Britain INVENTED comedy, and Britain INVENTED capitalism, and Britain INVENTED modern democracy.

      I could continue with the same tenuous grasp of reality as your own, but you get the idea.

    5. Re:Why always north america ? by n+dot+l · · Score: 1

      Because greedy corporate shill organizations are made and run by (some subset of) people, and that's just how (those) people are.

    6. Re:Why always north america ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it is strange. Since (south of Canada at least) came to this continent to be rid of douchebags but somehow became worse ones.

    7. Re:Why always north america ? by Pecisk · · Score: 1

      Because countries of North America were founded by opportunistic and "looking-for-luck" people? Smart people were to clever to go there first :)

      Jokes aside, North America always have some "me me me" and "it is all about me, screw others" atittude a little bit. Of course, there is lot of found and good people (and I believe they form majority), but they somehow ignore those egoists till they start to dance over them.

      Just my humble thoughts,
      Peter.

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  32. It seems to me, that the positions are: by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

    Canadian Groups Call For Massive Net Regulation

    . . . and, from the posts from the Canadian folks here:

    Canadians, on the other hand, call for massive re-regulation, of Canadian Groups.

    Re-regulation, with extreme prejudice.

    Michael Moore argued that Canadians are more armed to the teeth than US Americans, but are not nearly as trigger happy.

    I now think that the Canadians have been wisely conserving their ammunition, for times of ideas like Internet Cultural taxes.

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    Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
  33. how outragous laws get passed by Eil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Over the past decade or so, I've noticed a trend. I'm not terribly bright, so I don't think I can be the only one who has noticed it but regardless, nobody is saying anything about it. No Slashdotters or bloggers ever raise this point, no journalists write explicitly about it even though it's right there in the news almost every day.

    Let's say you're a huge government entity or industry coalition. You want a law (or series of laws) put into effect that, if passed by congress, would net you huge amounts of cash, power, or both. The problem is that almost everybody who hears about it is going to oppose it because they'll probably see it for what it is. Lobbyists are worth their weight in gold, but lobbyists don't outweigh enormous opposition from the press and public.

    How do you get this extremely profitable but unlikely law passed? The solution turns out to be relatively easy:

    1) Submit the bill for vote.
    2) When the public outcry inevitably happens, reaffirm to the public that the bill must be made into law. Make a couple of unimportant token conciliatory changes and make a big deal about how you're willing to compromise.
    3) Resubmit almost the exact same bill.
    4) Watch it pass.

    I've seen this happen in the U.S. for every almost single major unpopular bill that's been passed recently. The wall street bailout is the number one perfect example. This bill was an undisguised farce from the beginning. As dim as the American public tends to be, even they saw the evil in handing out hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to Wall Street millionaires as a thank-you for screwing the world's economy while those who were *really* hurt (and without homes to boot) received not a single dime out of the deal. They presented the bill, the press and public said, "No effing way!" They presented it again with practically no changes and it passed with flying colors. Tell me, how does that happen?

    I haven't been able to figure it out myself, but I wager it's to do with human psychology. You expose someone to an extreme idea once. After they get all done with being shocked and appalled, you expose them to it again (or to a slightly less shocking one) and they'll readily go along with it. Maybe when the idea is presented the second time, they think, "hey, it's not as bad as that first proposal." Or possibly people are just lazy and give up the fight after expending so much energy in the first opposition. I dunno. Another interesting point is that the more shocking the first presentation, the better the chance it has succeeding the second time around.

    We're seeing it again with the Detroit bailout. The car companies made such an incredibly poor show the first time around, that Congress will probably say, "Well, they rode over in limousines this time at least, we should probably give them a few billion dollars to keep making shitty cars."

    There's definitely a psychological effect and it's one that we, the public, would do well to wise up to soon because this is one tactic that's nearly 100% effective and has no effective counter-strategy because no one seems to be paying attention.

    1. Re:how outragous laws get passed by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      Yep. It's a transparent farce, and yet they keep getting away with it over and over again. The "concessions" are usually things that were deliberately put in the original bill with the aim of scuttling it, for repealing at a later date.

      The other thing is that a few years after the second (or third) iteration of the bill has become law, they can introduce the 'TOO objectional' parts again, and have a decent chance of getting them through.

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    2. Re:how outragous laws get passed by Xiroth · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's known as the Door-in-the-face technique.

    3. Re:how outragous laws get passed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe you are correct in thinking it is an element of human psychology. It reminds me of bargaining. If the seller sets the price too high initially, you walk away. When he brings the price down a bit (although still largely unreasonable), I think most people feel they have some kind of obligation to at least give the guy another shot. Once he has you standing in front of him for a minute, your patience dwindles and you either walk away or settle for a price. 9 times out of 10, you should still walk away, if you ask me.

    4. Re:how outragous laws get passed by Alarindris · · Score: 1

      It happens because we have no real control of the government, there is no recourse whatsoever, it's all fucking smoke and mirrors, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

    5. Re:how outragous laws get passed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As dim as the American public tends to be, even they saw the evil in handing out hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to Wall Street millionaires as a thank-you for screwing the world's economy while those who were *really* hurt (and without homes to boot) received not a single dime out of the deal.

      Who is dim here can be discussed. The rescue package was not "handing out billions of dollars". It was purchasing mortgage securities at a discount to their face value.

      If the percentage of defaulters is smaller than that of the discount, adjusted for the amount gained from selling repossessed houses, the government makes a profit. It will buy the housing loans of people today, but the income from those loans will exceed the amount paid for them.

      If the percentage of defaulters, adjusted for how much can be recouped from those who default, is identical to the discount rate, then the government will break even. The amount paid out will be identical to the present value of the amount received in downpayments.

      If the percentage of defaulters is materially higher than the discount, the government will make a loss. If 100% of homeowners default and 0% is recoverable either as part payments from them or selling their houses, the government has lost the full amount. If these numbers are different from 100% and 0% respectively, part of the money will be lost.

      This is fact. It is not a "fat cat lie". The plan was for the government to purchase mortgage securities. Mortgage securities pay coupons. The purchase will involve a transfer of right. The purchase will happen at a discount. The new owner, the government, will receive the income from the mortgages. Those are the facts whether you ignore them or not. I find your wilful ignorance and the hate you spread based on those lies reprehensible.

    6. Re:how outragous laws get passed by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Lobbyists are worth their weight in gold, but lobbyists don't outweigh enormous opposition from the press and public.

      Yes, they do. The bailout is proof of this, because as far as I know public opposition didn't actually change when they made a few insignificant changes (if you have polling data suggesting otherwise, please link it).

    7. Re:how outragous laws get passed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This perfectly describes what our politicians in Sweden did to the law giving the FRA (our equivalent to the US NSA) unprecedented power to wiretap cable-born telecommunications, and what they're tried to do to justify the ridiculously far-reaching "implementation" of IPRED1 currently.

    8. Re:how outragous laws get passed by pv2b · · Score: 1

      Eil,

      This post so wonderfully parallells current political developments in Sweden that I had to re-post it on my blog for more people to read.

      Link to blog post (in Swedish -- at least the parts you didn't write :-))

      Mostly incomprehensible automatic Google translation

      Thanks for taking the time to write your comment.

    9. Re:how outragous laws get passed by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Can we have it in 100 different languages? ... Well then can we have it in English? :-)

    10. Re:how outragous laws get passed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't agree that the bailout had practically no changes. They loaded it up with over 200 Billion in addition pork to buy the votes to get it to pass. The bill went from three pages long to 106 pages long. Hardly a minor change. All a change for the worse, mind you, but certainly not minor.

    11. Re:how outragous laws get passed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd suspect it's similar to The Door in the Face phenomenon.

    12. Re:how outragous laws get passed by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the face value of those securities was a fantasy. If they had so much value, why doesn't anybody other than Uncle Sam want to buy them? It is like going to the mall, coming home with a bunch of junk you don't need, and then talking about how much money you "saved" while there.

      Most analysts think those securities have very little value - otherwise they'd be out buying them on their own.

      Then, when Uncle Sam becomes the nation's primary landlord we'll suddenly see a reluctance to foreclose, which makes those securities worth even less.

      The proper strategy would have been to offer eminent-domain bailouts. Instituations that can't be allowed to fail wouldn't be, but the government would take over and buy shares for the company's net value (which might be zero after deducting any cash the government needs to infuse to fix things). Then the company is no longer a profit-making concern and there are no shareholders to worry about - the government can do with the execs as needed and run the company. Once everything is stabilized the government can issue an IPO and the taxpayers recover their costs.

      When a company is mismanaged the solution isn't to hand more money to the people that are mismanaging it. I don't want the government in the financial services business, but I'd rather see that than massive spending of public funds on private ventures with no accountability.

    13. Re:how outragous laws get passed by Eil · · Score: 1

      Ha, well there it is. Now I know what it's called. Thanks for the link.

    14. Re:how outragous laws get passed by Eil · · Score: 1

      Wow, thanks! Google's translation wasn't too bad, I think I understood what you were saying.

      Another Slashdotter pointed out that the closest social psychology term for what I described was callled the "door-in-the-face" technique. The main difference between that and what I described is that the in door-in-the-face technique, the second request is usually a much smaller favor than the first. In the case of the U.S. laws I described, there is practically no real difference between the first and second bills so I'm not sure it's quite the same thing, but even if not, it's pretty close.

      http://everything2.com/e2node/Door-in-face%2520technique

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique

  34. 57 channels and nothing on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God dammit, I take the weekend off and suddenly the Internet goes mainstream!

    If someone tries to tax ISPs 3% I guarantee the ISPs will levy their customers (us) 5%.

    CanCon on the Internet is hilarious! Absolutely hilarious. How do they gauge the percentage? Number of HTML pages? Aggregate minutes of video? Number of times "U" or "RE" appears in words? If I put Bryan Adams entire discography up for download that won't even qualify. (har!)

    Radio and TV are linear media that operate along time's arrow. This arrow must go straight through the heads of these trade union putzes because they clearly have no concept of how the Internet works.

  35. The numbers never add up by SIR_Taco · · Score: 1

    I wish I could find the newspaper article (I thought it was the Toronto Star or National Post but can't seem to find it) which, at the end of the first year of the copying levy for blank media, gave a breakdown of how much money the levy brought in.
    The most interesting part about the article was that the amount of money (in millions) that the blank media levy generated was more than double what the groups had claimed they lose on an annual basis.
    Nothing changed though... hmmmm

    --
    I say don't drink and drive, you might spill your drink. Before you get behind the wheel just stop and think.
  36. Re:ACTRA/SOCANwestopthisalready? by noshellswill · · Score: 1

    Eh hoser ... say what ? Two ice-fishing shanties fulla' self-interested pr*cks. Get me a Molsen.

  37. Terrible news by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There should be no regulation of what content flows over the internet. particularly these are attempts by an ever paranoid government to shut down dissent and monitor its opponents. Monitoring and censorship such as this is a sure sign of an end to a democratic, free society and one where people live in shackles, are arrested for any reason, have no privacy and are afraid to say anything, living in constant fear of the government. Regulation, by ISPs or government is unacceptable, this includes any blocking or monitoring of content. Net Nuetrality is designed to basically prevent regulation or censorship of the internet by prohibiting ISPs from blocking access to certain web pages or impeding or altering content. We need to assert our free speech rights and not allow these to be taken away by big corporations or government.

  38. Ottawa Linux LUG's response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    La grande région de Ste-Agathe est composée de plusieurs municipalités: Ste-Agathe-des-Monts, Ste-Agathe-Nord, St-Adolphe d'Howard, Ivry-sur-le-Lac; on peut même considérer les municipalités de Lantier et de Ste-Lucie comme faisant partie de cette grande région.

    Le coeur de cette région se compose de 2 municipalités bien imbriquées l'une dans l'autre: Ste-Agathe-des-Monts et Ste-Agathe-Sud. Si bien bien imbriquées ensemble qu'elles ont fusionnées. Mais pour les gens de l'extérieur, ces divisions administratives ont peu d'importance: on vient passer ses vacances à Ste-Agathe!

    Cette région est bien garnie en infrastructures de tourisme et Ste-Agathe peut se vanter d'avoir accueilli des générations de villégiateurs et de touristes. Quels que soient vos besoins, Ste-Agathe peut se vanter de pouvoir les combler sur place. L'hôtellerie et la restauration y tiennent une place de choix.

    Le train ne passe plus à Ste-Agathe? Qu'importe! On rénove la gare et on transforme le chemin de fer en piste cyclable, un concept unique en Amérique du Nord. Fruit d'une concertation de la région touristique des Laurentides le parc linéaire "Le p'tit Train du Nord" traverse des dizaines de villages tout au long de ses 200 kilomètres. Vous pouvez l'utiliser le plus facilement du monde à partir de Ste-Agathe, au site de l'ancienne gare, par les différents moyens adaptés aux saisons: motoneige, ski de randonnée, cyclisme et randonnée pédestre. Ce parc est probablement l'une des plus belles réalisations touristiques des Laurentides.

    Dans cette grande région, les sports et les activités d'hiver n'ont rien à envier à celles de l'été. L'hiver en Nord, grande fête de l'hiver à Ste-Agathe, permet de bien apprécier les splendeurs de l'hiver. L'été apporte également son lot d'activités: plage, natation, motomarine, bateau, voile, cyclisme, randonnée pédestre, et encore plus...

    Quel que soit votre séjour dans la grande région de Ste-Agathe, nous pouvons vous assurer que vous en partirez enchanté. Et que vous y reviendrez!

  39. heh by z-j-y · · Score: 1

    In Capitalism, men exploit men.
    In Socialism, it's the other way around.

  40. What a Marriage by KwKSilver · · Score: 1

    Artistes and Politicians. Two elite groups of narcissistic parasites, who thrive on sycophantic praise and have no morals to speak of--just an insatiable desire for money. We have the same problem in the U.S. Good Luck!

    --
    If you want your life to be different, live it differently.
  41. This'll go through in no time... by ThatCanadianGuy · · Score: 0

    BUT... how can this even happen? We don't even have a Government right now... bad timing for those stupid people. We're already getting taxed (kind of) on blank media. Everytime we buy CD or DVDs we get to pay a levy (but there are some stores ie. Future Shop that have said "we don't want to pay so we wont (or so the sign says))

  42. With a bribe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will be disguised as "net neutrality".

    With a bribe to the Cons, Libs, NDP and kickbacks to the Bloc. And soon, Government Motors Tax, GMT for short.

    Tax me, I am Canadian!

  43. Pay for new media creation by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Huh? We are supposed to subsidize an industry we arent a customer of?

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    1. Re:Pay for new media creation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can buy all the Canadian music I want from Apple iTunes. Who the fsck needs to deal with extortion taxation? There are some great Canadian bands and movies and television programmes, but why do we subsidize the likes of John Ralston Saul?

  44. Although his methods left something to be desired. by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

    Maybe Theodore Kaczynski wasn't so far off base, after all.

    While blowing people up is bad, they guy was angry over precisely this kind of shit.

    He honestly felt that he was in danger because of technology, or to be more precise, the effects of technology in the hands of greedy bastards that think their dollars are more important then our freedoms.

    Just a matter of time before someone else starts blowing shit up. (...and no, I do not mean me, so get your hand off the telephone)

  45. Time to pack it in. by westlake · · Score: 1
    we suck. people hate us. no one comes to our shows. our cd sells miserably.
    that's right: levign makes more money off my artistic creation than i do.

    You don't have an artistic creation. What you have is an ego trip.

    1. Re:Time to pack it in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we suck. people hate us. no one comes to our shows. our cd sells miserably. that's right: levign makes more money off my artistic creation than i do.

      You don't have an artistic creation. What you have is an ego trip.

      anyone who goes on and on about how his band "sucks" probably isn't on an "ego trip".

  46. Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, as a musician, in Canada, who writes songs, gets airplay and, yes, has leftish values, I think that this is an acceptable compromise.

    A lefty Canadian artist supports higher taxes? Now there's a surprise.

    Bars, restaurants, dentist offices, etc all get surcharged for playing music in Canada at their workplaces (as music is seen to add value to their business). The same argument can apply to ISPs who have more demand/usage by people looking to listen and become exposed to music.

    Except the internet is GLOBAL. I have to go to a bar (or restaurant or dentist office) in my city, but I can go to a website hosted anywhere in the world. If the Canadian websites are crippled with can-con requirements and higher taxes then they will not be able to compete and surfers will go elsewhere. Canadian owned and operated websites will shut down or move elsewhere.

    I think ultimately the impact to consumers will be negligible in terms of a rate increase (which is likely to be also monitored by the CRTC).

    Wrong on both counts. The CRTC does not monitor or regulate prices, and any rate increase will be significant (Canadians already pay higher prices for internet access than most of the western world).

  47. Re:ACTRA/SOCANwestopthisalready? by Kinetix303 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nobody in Canada drinks a Molson, eh. In Canada, you ask for a Canadian. Molson's for the export market. Sorta like Foster's in Australia.

  48. What a rediculous notion... by pjr.cc · · Score: 1

    It's a rediculous notion, and almost certain to become law if Australia (where I live) is anything to go by. We're filtering the content of the internet based on the stupidity of a minor party who is somehow in control of the internet, or at least in control of the minister in control of the internet. Essentially this means we're going to slow down the internet in this country to make it ever-so-slightly harder for someone to look at rude pictures in the hope that kids (and lets face it, they're usually the ones who figure out how to get around such measures anyway) wont see said rude pictures.

    But what our govt is doing makes (if only barely) more sence what the Canadians are doing, or there's a massive back-story we're not exposed to. So lets try and put it in perspective in a way that makes sence. Lets say the local school gets broken into by vandals and they do alot of damage, who pays for it? the tax payers inevitably. Even if the vandals are caught, they are unlikely to have the money to fund the repairs (nor the skills to help fix the damage). In fact, the only option is incarceration or some form of penalty which ultimately leads to more public money being eaten. But theres more, because its become quite common (im talking hypothetically here), the tax payer ends up footing the bill for a 10ft high fence right around the school and a security patrol (subsitute school with trains, busses, govt buildings as you like, it still goes the same way).

    So how does that little example relate to a 3% tax on isp's? It shouldn't, and it represents a huge amount of ignorance from the group itself and from anyone who supports it. SOCAN itself MAY not be evil as people have been saying (and reading this I find that very hard to believe, maybe they're becoming evil, maybe they've been watching the RIAA/MPAA/etc?), but in the very least (much like our Australian minister of fruity firewalls), they're completely ignorant. In reality, it shouldn't be ISP's that are footing the bill if your going to go down this path, it should be everyone, thats what TAX is for if you can equate fixing a school with fixing a copyright. After all, does illegal copying only occur over the internet? (sure it makes it easier, but im equally sure that like most countries there are plenty of flee markets going on where people are selling bootleg cd's, but wait, thats what the CD tax was for!!). The reality is is that there is no way to do it fairly, but more importantly "with even a hint of fairness"

    Where it becomes ridiculous is that you have no way of apportioning out this "tax" to the people who are being pirated in the first place. Do you assume that the general lay of the land on pirated content follows the popular media? And why just music? More importantly though (probably the most important point) is that music, unlike the public school, is a luxury and never dies. You create it once and its around forever. You can copy it to infinity and it cost no one anything at all and its absurd notion to assume that just because people are pirating your music that they would have bought it and hence your loosing money.

    On the flip side, if the govt were to tax the ISP's by 10%, then make it perfectly legal to "pirate" music, then you would have no argument from me even though I barely bother to listen to music anymore - the whole copyright thing in the US just makes it an unpleasurable thing to do these days. But, what would thoroughly p*ss me off as a tax payer in the upper bands is that I'm forced to foot the bill for what is a luxury crime, this is not a crime that makes my local school unusable, I cant howl for the vandals to be strung up by the codlies, they're not endangering lives and they're not stopping my kids (if i had any) from getting an education, stopping food from getting to my local retailer, etc. The reality is that the people who will get the money are likely to be the musicians who are already earning magnitudes of cash more then I am, so is it fair that I should have to pay a tax so they can get 1 more extra m

    1. Re:What a rediculous notion... by gobbo · · Score: 1

      Wot ridiculous fukan speling, eh! Oh, sorry.

  49. Dammit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Screw this, I'm moving to the USA! ~

    1. Re:Dammit! by Nabeel_co · · Score: 1

      It's becoming that way... sadly...

  50. what crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just an other "money grab" People are getting pissed off at the amount of "shit" there is for music etc. This seems like the only way these losers can make a buck... And if I choose not to buy what they are "selling" then I think it's wrong that they are trying to put it into law. I will fight them, and I hope other canadians will as well.

  51. Watch them fall behind. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    It will be interesting to watch...

    I'm going to guess that whichever country manages to come the closest to network neutrality and sane copyright laws, is also going to be where all the actual artists go. It's an opportunity to pull ahead.

    It's a chance for the US to actually be good at something other than monopolizing the rest of the world.

    Friends, taxpayers, legislators (I hope), let us learn from Canada's mistakes.

    --
    Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
  52. Plural of Moose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > The moose (meeses?)

    While moose is usually used as its own plural (same way with elk), if you want to get technical, there's a case to be made that the plural of moose should have been moosek.

  53. Canadian Commies Love Taxes by epluribusunum · · Score: 0

    The Smily Faced Fascist performing artists are so lame. When are they ever going to stop pulling their own weight? I have and idea, lets tax all the successful Canadian artists to subsidize the ones who totally suck. Why are liberals, pinkos and commies always trying to tax everybody and regulate everybody, and generally boss everybody around. Please just go away, leave the rest of us hard working taxpayers alone, and get a real job.

  54. Dear Socan by The+Yuckinator · · Score: 1

    Please FUCK OFF already. You've been bullying me ever since I've been old enough to buy my own music or more recently (2003), any blank media.

    You've been bullying my friends and local businesses running restaurants/bars who have the audacity to play CD's, or turn on the radio - two things that you're already paid for. Those who operate all live music establishments, supporting local and other Canadian artists of all types (not just music) have had you send threatening letters demanding your tithe. I have been present in a restaurant when one of your hired goons strolled in unannounced and began loudly suggesting that the proprietor was engaging in illegal behaviour by not paying up, right there, on the spot. In front of a room full of customers.

    To top it all off, I now have the great (mis)fortune of working in the building next to the SOCAN Toronto offices. Of course this means that the line at the coffee shop downstairs is filled with SOCAN's sometimes offensive-smelling, unkempt, unprofessional, "working here while I'm waiting for the album to hit it big" employees. Now they're taking my TIME too. Get lunch in your own damned building and stay the hell away from my wallet while you're at it.

    Fuck right off,
    Sincerely,
    The Yuckinator

    1. Re:Dear Socan by freeweed · · Score: 1

      Sing it, brother! Just not within earshot of SOCAN.

      These greedy fucks are the same ones who manage to suck money out of university fundraising activities. No, I'm not talking fundraising for the university - I'm talking fundraising for student clubs. If we so much as turned on a radio at any event, we were required to pay some insane fee ($100+ iirc) to SOCAN, for the privilege of BROADCASTING AD-SUPPORTED MUSIC. Regardless of the fact that our tiny fundraisers often didn't even raise $100 at a time. I'm talking tiny BBQs for 20 people, just something to have fun and kick some cash into the kitty, maybe buy some paint for our student lounge.

      SOCAN can go fuck themselves and the horse they rode in on. No way does Nickelback deserve money from a bunch of penniless students just trying to relax on a stressful exam week. Never mind the fact that we only planned on playing the station that has a "no Nickelback guarantee" (yes, this actually exists in Canada, they're so reviled).

      --
      Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
    2. Re:Dear Socan by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      Never mind the fact that we only planned on playing the station that has a "no Nickelback guarantee" (yes, this actually exists in Canada, they're so reviled).
      Now there's a Canadian export I'd love to see in the US.

      --
      I laughed at the weak who considered themselves good because they lacked claws.
  55. Regulation is coming by jandersen · · Score: 1

    Like it or not, the internet will be regulated, so we should stop grumbling about it and instead start giving our own, constructive input to the debate. Otherwise we will end up with regulations that favour only the worst of the money-grabbers.

    It seems to me that we can not only pull the rules in a more tolerable direction, but we may also be able to think up some that would make life less easy for what we see as the worst elements on the net. Any suggestions?

  56. Re:ACTRA/SOCANwestopthisalready? by yurigoul · · Score: 1

    Or Heineken for the Netherlands

  57. Re:ACTRA/SOCANwestopthisalready? by HybridJeff · · Score: 1

    You only ask for a Canadian if you want bad beer. Drinking Molson Canadian is pretty much the equivalent of drinking Bud Light. It's cheap beer made for the masses who just want to get drunk without actually tasting anything.

  58. Let's just outlaw everything by gelfling · · Score: 1

    The soccermommies and the Islamotards can all get together and criminalize freedom itself. For the children, for Allah...we will kill you to save you.

  59. Re:ACTRA/SOCANwestopthisalready? by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 1

    There are exceptions. In some part of the country Molson Export is much a much more popular brand than Canadian, in which case you usually ask for an Ex.

  60. Will I get busted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm Canadian. If I go on a trip elsewhere in the world, and put up pictures of it when I get home, will I get in trouble for insufficient Canadian content? If I am in the picture, do I count as Canadian content?

  61. you're right about one thing by junkgoof · · Score: 1

    Harper does not want to be Bush, he is just acting like him and following his policies without the embarrassing gaffes. Dion does the ridiculous gaffes for him (and is retiring early because of them; too bad Bush had less shame).

    --
    You got me into this! You were the ideologue! I'm only a poor assassin! - Twenty evocations, Bruce Sterling
  62. issue already decided before it goes public by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    If CA is like the US, unpopular legislation is worked out behind closed doors, and the debate period and the actual vote are just for show. This allows the legislative body to pass crappy bills quickly before the public can offer too much protest.

    You saw this with the FISA bill this year. Harry Reid introduced the version from the Intelligence Committee that had telecom immunity, and ignored the version from the Judiciary Committee that didn't. Measures that Democrats wanted had to have 60 votes, while measures Republicans wanted only needed 50. Reid, who honors holds from Senator Inhofe, Troglodyte-OK, ignored a hold from fellow Democrat Chris Dodd.

    You saw the same thing with the Wall Street bailout - calls to D.C. were 100 to 1 against, but it passed anyway with minimal oversight provisions.

  63. I want my cut! by da_guy2 · · Score: 1

    If user generated "new media" content is going to be regulated... and there charging a levy on "new media", then I want my cut! ... Tell ya what I'll accept the 3% of my internet bill you took as payment and well call it even ;)

  64. Re:ACTRA/SOCANwestopthisalready? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

    Doesn't anyone drink Labatt's Blue up there anymore?

    Damn... you HAVE fallen into cultural disrepair. ;)

    /P

    --
    Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
  65. Bye all by bandmassa · · Score: 1

    This is how the internet dies. Slowly, with country after country introducing draconian filtering and rules. No, you mustn't make and distribute your own media independently. No, we mustn't have new business models. No, we mustn't have access to unfettered information. We must stay within the exploitative "studio" model. Been nice knowing you all. (I say this now, because we won't get any warning before our rights to publish anything are ripped from us.)

    --
    "I hope you like Guinness, Sir. I find it a refreshing substitute for, er... food." Col. Jack O'Neil, SG-1
  66. More information about ACTRA by Neflyte_Zero · · Score: 1
    ACTRA is the Canadian equivalent of the American "union", AFTRA - the performers' rights society for actors in Film, Television, and Radio.

    From the back of my membership card:

    "ACTRA is a national organization that represents the interests of professional performers in Canada's recorded media and bargains collectively on their behalf."

    --
    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
  67. ACTRA CALLS FOR INTERNET REGULATION by thesquire · · Score: 2, Informative

    The group calling itself ACTRA is NOT a Canadian cultural organization as it is described in this story. It is a union of actors, performers and other media people. It is in no way a reflection of the community. It is also mostly composed of people who make their living off the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, itself a hotbed of left-wingers, terrorist sympathizers and politically-correctness gone mad. It is totally unrepresentative of the vast majority of people working in the media in Canada and of the population as a whole. Give it the respect it deserves. NONE. The only way its agenda might be translated into laws is by fooling or misleading the idiots we elect to our national Parliament. Given the antics of the clowns in Parliament recently [the attempted coup by liberals, left-wingers and separatists], perhaps there is something to worry about. I hope the Tory government is awake enough to realize the dangers to freedom of communication inherent in such a goofy idea.