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Jobs Not Giving This Year's Macworld Keynote

Many readers including thermopile wrote in about Apple withdrawing from Macworld Expo after this year. The other bad news for Apple fans is that Steve Jobs won't be delivering the keynote in 3 weeks — we may have seen his last "one more thing." Apple VP Phil Schiller will be doing the honors. He's "an Apple executive notably lacking in Jobs's showmanship and star power," according to the Fortune blogger. Apple's press release states that "trade shows have become a very minor part of how Apple reaches its customers." While this may be true, the keynote addresses have been a critical venue for major new product announcements. Apple's stock is taking a 6% hit in after-hours trading, possibly on concerns about Jobs's health. Reader Harry has gathered together YouTube clips from most of the Macworld keynotes Jobs given since 1997.

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  1. iPod, iPhone, then what? by alain94040 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have been following Apple for more than 20 years, including stints at MacWorld and today's headline is a repeat of the mini-drama that Apple has been having with the Expo for decades. But today is different.

    Ignore the dispute about who controls MacWorld Expo's agenda. Apple feels like on top of the world (always has) and they want absolute control. But they also had found a great recipe for success. Two years ago, on the cab from the caltrain station to Moscone, the taxi driver asked us if we were there for this new "iPhone thing". The hype was just so big, the distortion field so powerful, the force was with Apple.

    Somehow, no cab driver ever asked me about Android.

    Think of the history: the iPod, the MacBook Air, the iPhone... By having someone else present the keynote this year, our collective expectations just sunk by an order of magnitude. I, for one, don't expect anything amazing this year. But on the other hand, it's only fair: even Apple can't pull off revolution after revolution, year after year. Give them a break, they are doing so much already by showing everyone how boring other products are.

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    1. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The xMac! That's what's next. :)

    2. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by timmarhy · · Score: 0, Troll

      the only revolution apple has ever pulled off is a marketing revolution. the ipod, macbook and iphone do nothing other gadgets haven't before. indeed on many technical levels they are inferior, especially the ipod.

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    3. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Im sure they could create beautiful and "Just Works" applications, but they wont.

      If history proves anything, is that they are a hardware company that demands an iron fist over "Their" hardware, regardless who actually buys it. In that regard, they are worse than anything Microsoft can ever throw at us. Our Ipod touches are not ours, never ours, and never will be ours as long as they have anything to say about it. The only reason certain Ipods are exempt from the iron grasp is because of Linux and freedom fighters have hacked the firmware to install things like Rockbox.

      And Jobs isnt giving a keynote. I really dont care. They refuse to listen to their market segment (touchscreen Mac, mac pro mini, and others), and they put our crippled device after crippled device, some being remotely disablable. Perhaps one time, I did care about OSX, and the Ipod, but I have Ubuntu and a myriad of HD MP3 players 1/2 the price the smallest Ipod classic.

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    4. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the only revolution apple has ever pulled off is a marketing revolution. the ipod, macbook and iphone do nothing other gadgets haven't before. indeed on many technical levels they are inferior, especially the ipod.

      You could not be more wrong.

      Sour grapes.

    5. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by johnsonav · · Score: 5, Interesting

      the ipod, macbook and iphone do nothing other gadgets haven't before. indeed on many technical levels they are inferior, especially the ipod.

      One thing Apple has done well, since its beginning, is to make technology exciting for the masses. Most of that is marketing, to be sure. But it always takes marketing to push technology into general use.

      True, Apple entered the portable mp3 player market late, and with an, arguably, inferior product. But, through marketing and tight integration with the computer, managed to get 90% of people to trade in their Discmans for iPods. They were able to dominate a market which didn't even exist a few years before (and probably would not be nearly as large without Apple).

      From the Apple II, to the iMac, to the iPod, and to the iPhone, Apple has managed to create mass markets where none existed before. I don't think that fact can be overlooked. Whenever Apple comes out with a product, they are trying to open up larger markets for technology, even when they fail (Newton).

      The other thing Apple does well is make money. Lots and lots of money. Metric buttloads of money.

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    6. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by kc0re · · Score: 1

      Well, you ASSUME they aren't listening to their "market segment". How do you know they aren't developing these things? There are entire websites dedicated to saying "please apple?" http://www.dearcupertino.com/ being one.

    7. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If history proves anything, is that they are a hardware company that demands an iron fist over "Their" hardware

      I'm pretty sure they'll let you run anything you want on a MacBook, iMac or Mac Pro. In fact, I'm pretty sure they run ads advertising this fact.

    8. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Si-UCP · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You assume that Apple can't announce conferences at any time other than the MacWorld expo or WWDC. Look at all the "Special Events" that Apple have been doing recently. Expect more of those in 2009. Apple have gotten so good at this thing that they can hype things up not just twice a year, but all year round.

    9. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by tzhuge · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm pretty sure the reason that Jobs won't be presenting at MacWorld is that "One More Thing" at the expo will be a Cyborg Steve Jobs. It will be the most astoundingly fantastic reveal ever, and, if we're really lucky, Apple will be cutting legal department costs by equipping Cyborg Jobs with weapons (gotta make up for that 1% drop in computer sales). Awww... just imagine the smell of crackling bacon as tech journalists fry.

    10. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      they want absolute control

      More like, trade shows aren't cost-effective anymore, and Apple was also getting pretty tired of someone else's schedule driving the timing of their product introductions.

      I for one, don't expect anything amazing this year.

      I do. I just don't expect them to happen only at MacWorld or WWDC.

      -jcr

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    11. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Altus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Ill tell you this. Planning your product schedule around trade show sucks. Why do it when your the big dog and you can easily host your own events. You plan your event when the product is close to being released.

      Your right, if you can drum up the hype any time you need to, why let someone else set your schedule.

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    12. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... as long as it's not Windows.

    13. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair, Steve Jobs is the guy who made all that possible.

      We've seen what Apple is without him... bankrupt.

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    14. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True, Apple entered the portable mp3 player market late, and with an, arguably, inferior product. But, through marketing and tight integration with the computer, managed to get 90% of people to trade in their Discmans for iPods. They were able to dominate a market which didn't even exist a few years before (and probably would not be nearly as large without Apple).

      Actually, I'd argue that Apple entered the portable MP3 player market at the right time. Consider the market at the time - small flash-based players that could barely hold 1 album, maybe 2 if you compressed them below 128kbps, or humongous hard-drive based MP3 players that were larger than a discman (i.e., the Nomad), or when they weren't, were huge bricks.

      Now, Apple releases an MP3 player that has most of the space of the large hard disk players, but is only maybe 1 1/2 to 2 times of the flash-based player. Oh yeah, and instead of syncing via painfully slow USB 1.1 (or parallel/serial!), it would work at firewire speeds. So copying lots of music to the hard disk takes minutes, not hours (1GB would take around 15-20 minutes via USB 1.1 versus 2-5 minutes via firewire...).

      So what did Apple do? They released an MP3 player in a formfactor that's usable, and made filling it much less of an all-nighter thing and something that someone can do on their way out the door.

      Oh yeah, they also marketed the heck out of the iPod, and made everyone who would normally carry CDs or listen to tapes... consider buying one and carrying their entire collection in a handheld device, rather than a huge stack of CDs. Instead of MP3 players being relegated to the realms of the techie, Apple made them wanted and usable to the masses.

      And Apple did this a month after 9/11 - when no one was willing to spend $600 nor have they fully recovered. Apple won out because Jobs seized upon the concept just as it was beginning to take off, then when the huge growth happens, they were already on the 3rd generation iPod (total sales under 1 million units at the point, yet it was the #1 selling MP3 player). Boom, the market takes off, Apple has a refined 3rd generation iPod on sale, and people start wanting iPods and MP3 players, to the point where Apple sells millions per month.

      Apple got really lucky with the iPod. They were at the right place at the right time.

    15. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Think of the history: the iPod, the MacBook Air, the iPhone... By having someone else present the keynote this year, our collective expectations just sunk by an order of magnitude. I, for one, don't expect anything amazing this year. But on the other hand, it's only fair: even Apple can't pull off revolution after revolution, year after year. Give them a break, they are doing so much already by showing everyone how boring other products are.

      I think this was bound to happen when Apple made the switch to Intel. Apple traditionally releases product on these big events - MacWorld, WWDC (more to the things developers want), and other big conferences. New product appears on a regular schedule, and advances could be easily plotted. This was because Apple's source hardware (e.g., PowerPC) roadmaps were quite tightly sealed, and thus, Apple could gather up momentum leading up to the event on what the next big thing was.

      But now, Intel and AMD have roadmaps known to the public way in advance. New chips, chipsets, graphics, etc., come out monthly, and there's no way Apple can wait 6 months to the next event to showcase their latest computers, using a CPU/chipset/GPU everyone else has been shipping the past 3 months. Apple can't wait for these big events to announce new product, because they happen at inconvenient times.

      Apple is large enough that it can draw a huge crowd easily, which it does with these "spotlight" meetings/keynotes. The advantage is that Apple can release product around the same time everyone else releases product. A new chipset released by Intel? Well, hold a spotlight and release the new notebooks within a month or two from the first manufacturer releasing them, before it becomes "old news."

      Apple has to release product, and they can't wait for the Next Big Expo to do it - to compete with all the other PC manufacturers now, they have to release in a timely fashion. (Think about how long it took for Apple to release Santa Rosa notebooks - everyone else had them for months!)

      Once Apple went Intel, they have to follow Intel's schedule for product releases, which won't coincide with most of the Mac Expos. Or get left behind releasing old technology, with everyone annoyed waiting for the notebooks to use the latest and greatest. It's not practical for Apple to wait - they have to release. Holding a spotlight meeting is easier than holding a random Expo (scheduled months to years in advance) to release product in a timely manner.

    16. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      And 2000 was the year of Linux on the desktop

    17. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      You should try using some of those products. Yes, the iPod doesn't make coffee, but your coffee maker doesn't play music. If you want coffee, don't buy an iPod.

      The same goes for their other products. And yes, I use Apple, Dell, HP, etc products.

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    18. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2, Informative

      ... as long as it's not Windows.

      Wrong.

    19. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 5, Funny

      Which is why Ubuntu is dominating the desktop market while Apple is fading away into oblivion. Ubuntu offers everything anyone could dream of on the desktop while Apple is listening to nobody.

      This is all because all anybody cares about when using their home desktop is whether or not they can view the source code to the applications they run and if they can recompile the kernel. Usability has nothing to do with it for the average Joe.

    20. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sarcasm is the lowest form of humour.
      Oh, but I like!

      Mod way the fuck up, my fellow nerds, whatever be thy denomination.

    21. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by arminw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ....on many technical levels they are inferior, especially the ipod....

      That is why the technically superior Zune was such a hit! It was the one that let users "squirt" DRM infested songs to other Zunes. That is why they are selling like hotcakes and nobody has ever heard of these boring gadgets called iPods.

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    22. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "on the cab from the caltrain station to Moscone"

      Are you serious? Its like 3 blocks away!

    23. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      The only thing I want in life is a coffee maker that also plays MP3s, you insensitive clod!

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    24. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by timmarhy · · Score: 1, Troll

      wtf would i be sour about? i don't own anything made by apple. care to explain exact why i'm so wrong?

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    25. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Informative

      if your toaster came with the kind of EULA an iphone comes with, yes.

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    26. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by thatnerdguy · · Score: 1

      If my iPod made lattes, that would be awesome. It would be great for those long bus or train rides!

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    27. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 5, Funny

      But there's no Jobs to be found anywhere in this economy, so I'm not surprised the expo is also Jobs void.

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    28. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Kooty-Sentinel · · Score: 1

      With your kind of thinking - nothing is really yours.

      Car Analogy time. You buy a brand new porsche. You don't bitch because you can't put a Honda engine in your porsche. It was never designed to hold a Honda engine.

      Apple doesn't want/didn't design the iPhone/iPod to run certain applications - and you can't hold that against them.

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    29. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative

      That may be the worst pun I've read on Slashdot in years....

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    30. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but I'd bitch if it only let me use gasoline from a Porsche dealer or drive on Porsche roads. Software running on a phone is fundamentally no different than gasoline in a car, and the network for a phone is no different than the roads a car drives on. The iPhone is still a lot more restricted than I'd like....

    31. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by berend+botje · · Score: 5, Funny

      Apple got really lucky with the iPod.

      Yes, they were. And they were very lucky with the MacBook. And once again with the iPhone. Lucky bastards, making stuff that people actually want to buy. Jeez, what were they thinking?

    32. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by berend+botje · · Score: 3, Funny

      I made the mistake of buying such a boring device. My iPod mini can't do any of the flashy stuff! It just plays mp3's. Granted, it does do this very well and with an easy navigable interface, but where's the fun in that?

      Next time I'll buy a nice faeces-colored Zune and I'll be squirting with the jetset!

    33. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And there are no words for how much the MWSF schedule sucks. When I realize how many employees at Apple, Adobe, Canon, and hundreds of other vendors are forced to skip Christmas vacation every year to get products and show displays ready for that horribly timed conference, it makes me want to shove my foot up IDG CEO Bob Carrigan's you-know-what. If the conference were in February, those employees would almost certainly be happier, plus it would likely cost those vendors a lot less in extra compensation to make up for keeping those folks through the holidays. If the show were in February, they might not be watching their vendor list drop like flies....

      Scheduling a trade show for the first full week in January is just plain abusive. Maybe this will get IDG to extricate their crania from their posteriors long enough to figure that out.... I won't hold my breath, though. I'd imagine they're getting a hefty discount from the Moscone Center for booking during a week that nobody in their right minds would touch with a ten meter pole.

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    34. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Arboris+Clover · · Score: 1

      *Badum-tisch* He'll be here all week folks!

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    35. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by jcr · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hmm. Most people would also want coffee to brew in it, but to each his own, I guess.

      -jcr

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    36. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by jcr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I realize how many employees at Apple, Adobe, Canon, and hundreds of other vendors are forced to skip Christmas vacation every year to get products and show displays ready

      When I was at Apple, we shut down between Christmas and New Year's day, and most of us who had anything to do for MWSF made sure we were ready well in advance.

      -jcr

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    37. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Kooty-Sentinel · · Score: 1

      I beg to differ. Batteries to iPod/iPhone's are what gasoline is to a car. Gasoline powers the hardware (aka engine, powertrain) of the car, just like batteries power the circuits of the iPod/iPhone.

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    38. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google maps says it is a mile.

    39. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by dangitman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Are you completely ignorant of the history of computing? Apple shaped the entire way we interact with computers - Windows, Linux are both heavily influenced by the original Mac OS. And yes, now you'll bitch about XEROX PARC and all that... again, missing the point. Apple did not invent the GUI, but put a lot of hard work and great ideas into refining it into a mainstream product. Even the mouse was shaped by Apple - no, they didn't invent the mouse, but again, refined it from being a technical curiosity into a workable, durable item. They put a lot of research into making it something that was smooth and didn't break easily. Go look it up some time.

      Inventions are one thing, but turning inventions into real-world products is just as difficult and challenging.

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    40. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That was then, this is now. I personally have been asked to work through Christmas for products that were going to merely have a demo at MWSF, not even to begin shipping then. They still ostensibly have the holiday shutdown but the number of times they say "except for this project" has been rising steadily every year.

    41. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple can release stuff whenever it wants to. It's not like you can go to another competitor and get a machine legally to run OS X 8)

      I just want a new Mac Mini. I love my current mini, but come on, I want to add more than 3GB ram to it, and for crying out loud, the intel integrated video chip should be taken out and shot.
      I don't want/need a shiny LED 24" built in screen in an iMac, I'm already quite happy with my 24" LCD.
      I only want to upgrade my mini.

    42. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And they make an interface even a 2 year old can use. My daughter knows how to press the home button, swipe to unlock, then swipe over to the app she wants "Star Wars" or "Bubble Wrap" and play for 5 or 10 minutes. It is also tough enough I have no problems letting my daughter use the phone under supervision.
      The iMac maynot be revolutionary, but is one of the nicest looking desktops you can buy.
      Linux is far more functional than OS X, but over all, OS X works well, and installation really is a simple insert CD, wait reboot and done!
      For my mac mini, I cant find any other box as small that has inbuilt wifi, bluetooth, 4 USB ports, 1 firewire port, 2 GHZ dualcore CPU and a dual Layer 8x DVD burner. Sure I could buy a PC and add all these things for less than the cost of the mini, but I probably wouldnt be able to attach it to a small bracket on the back of my 24"
      But their secrecy does suck, and their penchant for feature engineering, ie no firewire on mac book other wise it is just a smaller pro. Well duh, if I want a notebook, I dont want to have a 17" monster, but I do want to attach my camcorder and firewire drives, so I guess I'm not upgrading to a Macbook this year.

    43. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Hey, John, care to guess which team this AC is on? :-D

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    44. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe he'll not be there cos it will be the first ever REAL holographic show ;-)

    45. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most obvious guess is not the right one. I doubt very many people even remember the demo. Don't think for a minute that it's only "that" project which requires extra hours and missed holidays.

    46. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      They refuse to listen to their market segment (touchscreen Mac, mac pro mini, and others)

      More like they refuse to dive headlong into a market segment the moment a few people bleat demands. Just because someone wants it, doesn't make it viable long term - or in the case of new technology, viable in the short term. Touch screens are all very well and good, but they open up a whole new ball of crap when it comes to full size systems.

    47. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't know if it was luck or a really good understanding of where the industry was going, but the iPod popularity is significantly different than the MacBook or iPhone.

      The MacBook took the existing Mac product line, improved it, and grew more popular for a number of reasons... the Intel switch, the improvements in OSX and the recent developments that have made the OS less and less critical are the first things that occur to me. While popular, it doesn't absolutely dominate the market. Its simply a healthy growth of one of Apple's oldest product lines.

      The iPhone was a new move into an already well-established market. It has generated new interest in smartphones and helped to push other vendors to improve their products; however, it hasn't ridden the boom of a new market to complete dominance in the same way that the iPod has. iPhone is not (yet?) synonymous with smartphones, and despite strong sales doesn't have the absurdly high installed base.

      However, the iPod came out when MP3 players were a niche product for techno-geeks, and rode the growth of the market to have a 70%(?) market share. I can't say whether it led to the growth of the market or simply rode a trend that would have occurred anyway, but needless to say, the iPod's place in the market is stronger than either the MacBook or the iPhone. They are synonymous with the market as a whole, have dozens of companies making accessories... iPod compatibility is even listed as a selling feature on cars.

      The supposition of Apple getting lucky makes sense to me. If they're product hadn't been so well developed (at 3rd gen) by the time of the boom, or if some other companies had had better developed products at the time, with well-developed music stores, I can see the iPod being a 20%-30% market share product, that while still successful wouldn't be the cultural phenomenon it is now. And note that I type this on a Macbook Air with my iPhone beside me and my iPod in the car, so believe me when I say I have nothing against the company.

    48. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by cthellis · · Score: 1

      the only revolution apple has ever pulled off is a marketing revolution. the ipod, macbook and iphone do nothing other gadgets haven't before. indeed on many technical levels they are inferior, especially the ipod.

      No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

    49. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by jcr · · Score: 1

      care to guess which team this AC is on?

      Sure, but I wouldn't post my guess on /. Don't want to get anyone in hot water.

      -jcr

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    50. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you completely ignorant of the history of computing? Apple shaped the entire way we interact with computers - Windows, Linux are both heavily influenced by the original Mac OS.

      Hey, no problem. Let's forget that IBM was the one that actually shaped what Mac and then Apple has for an interface as well.

    51. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its evolution!. Terminator Jobs is coming'!!

    52. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by makomk · · Score: 1

      Now, Apple releases an MP3 player that has most of the space of the large hard disk players, but is only maybe 1 1/2 to 2 times of the flash-based player.

      Yeah, this was due to the development of suitably small hard drives by a third party (Hitachi or IBM, I think). As I understand it, Apple managed to buy up most or all of the production run; I think they may even have had some sort of exclusive contract.

      So, in fact, the core hardware innovation that made the iPod possible wasn't even Apple's at all! (According to Wikipedia, most of the software and user interface development wasn't done by them either.)

    53. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More importantly, it's through the tenderloin.

    54. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by SerpentMage · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I disagree with you. Apple is synonymous with smartphones. At least in the eyes of consumers. Look at it, iPhone brought in the first touch screen, and now everybody and I mean everybody is coming out with touch screens. If a manufacturer did not have touchscreen they would seem out of touch (no pun intended).

      What is making the iPhone a success is its touchscreen, UI and apps. Nobody else has managed to pull off this combination this well. And Apple did one thing well with the AppStore, they made it financially attractive for developers. This is a new one for Apple. Typically OSX has not been a cash cow for third party developers. For the iPhone it definitely is.

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    55. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by jack_csk · · Score: 1

      Why was it mod insightful? Was the modding itself a joke?

    56. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ubuntu offers everything anyone could dream of on the desktop"

      Oh for fracks sake - this is a bullshit statement.

      Try being a graphic designer specializing in print. Ubutu has NOTHING to offer that person. NOTHING!

      "everything anyone could dream"? not by a longshot.

    57. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Nursie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Next time I'll buy a nice faeces-colored Zune and I'll be squirting with the jetset!"

      You, sir, disgust me.

      Back OT, personally I prefer archos players because they don't insist on iTunes.

    58. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by aliquis · · Score: 4, Funny

      iPhone brought in the first touch screen

      Right ...

      No need to read further than that I guess ..

    59. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow... let me fix that for you. "...iPhone brought in the first touch screen in the US market...

      there, much better.

    60. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by NonSequor · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dang! That was a close one.

      That joke was headed straight toward your head but luckily you ducked in time.

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    61. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by hattig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hmm, gotta disagree there.

      You have to consider the package as a whole. Not just the raw technical specifications or feature list.

      The iPod was simply far better at its core feature when it was launched than any other player. I would argue that by not losing sight of the vision of a small, portable, music player they didn't get caught up with vast featurelists like other players until they could do it the best way. Styling has, of course, helped greatly - but it's not Apple's fault their competitors wanted to sell bricks.

      The iPhone's interface is simply still far better and smoother than any other competitor. The difference isn't as much as with the iPod when it was launched, and the competitors are catching up faster this time.

      The MacBook has Mac OS X. That's a massive technical advantage for many people, from different viewpoints. I shouldn't need to go into this in detail.

      You can market generation n+1/2/3 devices all you want, but if people weren't satisfied with generation n then people won't buy. Apple has such high satisfaction ratings that they surely are hitting people's needs pretty much spot on.

      I must also point out that I think Apple peaked already, and quality appears to be going down. There's no excuse for not having a wider range of computers to actually compete in the market. The Mac Mini is so out of date that Dell have better looking and specced offerings!

    62. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wouldn't be the first time a technically inferior product was what the masses used.

      *Cough* Windows.

    63. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by pacificleo · · Score: 0

      folks at palm must be turning in grave on that . These Fanboys !!

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    64. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the only revolution apple has ever pulled off is a marketing revolution. the ipod, macbook and iphone do nothing other gadgets haven't before. indeed on many technical levels they are inferior, especially the ipod.

      A very wise person once pointed out to me that it doesn't matter how cool or great a product you have; if you can't convince someone to buy it it's useless.

      Never underestimate the importance of marketing (and sales) to success. People buy something because it fills a perceived need; convincing them that they have that need is an important part of the sales process.

      Having a good product helps; but being a better product than others is not enough, by itself, to ensure you win. Technical superiority is nice; but unless you can convince people it has value then it's just something the extreme fanboys will argue over (wether is a computer, car, camera, stereo, etc.)

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    65. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by maxume · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The two most important features of an mp3 player are the interface and the capacity. The ipod does a pretty good job with both. Make that an excellent job. It is a little overpriced relative to similar sized devices, but the interface works better.

      Note that pet format support and a super high quality DAC are niche features that most people couldn't care less about.

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    66. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by theurge14 · · Score: 1

      That of course explains why all the competitors have all brought out their "me too" copies; Microsoft Zune, Blackberry Storm, Samsung Instinct, Dell XPS One, Amazon MP3 store, etc.

    67. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      I disagree with you. Apple is synonymous with smartphones. At least in the eyes of consumers. Look at it, iPhone brought in the first touch screen, and now everybody and I mean everybody is coming out with touch screens. If a manufacturer did not have touchscreen they would seem out of touch (no pun intended).

      I think Handspring, Kyocera and others would disagree with you on the newness of touch screen phones. Apple uses a different technological approach; but the concept is not new at all.

      What is making the iPhone a success is its touchscreen, UI and apps. Nobody else has managed to pull off this combination this well. And Apple did one thing well with the AppStore, they made it financially attractive for developers. This is a new one for Apple. Typically OSX has not been a cash cow for third party developers. For the iPhone it definitely is.

      Apple has put together a nice combination of UI/screen/apps to make the iPhone a good product (I own one); but others are close enough or getting better that Apple's ability to stay #1 will be severely challenged.

      The cellphone market is fundamentally different than other markets where Apple competes. Phones are easily replaceable with a new phone, from a different manufacturer, every year or two. There is not a steep learning curve; and most smartphones already have the basic functionality most users want built it; so you aren't locked into an expensive apps suite like you are with music or the need to convert all you music to a new format to load it on your non-Apple MP3 player.

      While the app store has been a boon for developers; low prices means that the individual user doesn't have a large investment in Apps that makes it harder to switch.

      This lack of lock-in makes it easier for RIM/NOKIA/Palm to come out with the next hot phone; especially since phones seem to be as much a fashion statement as a tool.

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    68. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by glebd · · Score: 1

      I think you've answered your own question.

    69. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by u38cg · · Score: 1

      Huh. Personally, I feel anything with no wireless and less space than a Nomad is pretty lame.

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    70. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah... pretty scary that Apple can't stand on its own. I don't think anyone actually believes Jobs is immortal, so unless something happens in a major way at Apple to survive when Jobs passes on, all this time people spend with Apple products (learning/using OSX, etc.) is pretty much wasted time.

    71. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right, the masses always are right and always buy the superior product, right?

    72. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      I disagree with you. Apple is synonymous with smartphones. At least in the eyes of consumers.

      In the eyes of consumers who aren't the market for smartphones, maybe. Most people who need smartphone functionality don't buy a iPhones.

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    73. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by sgbett · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Their marketing is done in the same way as marketing for other companies. In many ways it is technically inferior. Yet here you are saying how good it is?

      Stating you dont own their products undermines the credibility of your assertion that their products are no better than the competition.

      On the face of it it might seem that way. Sure, you can go to the Apple store and play with them, but its no comparison to owning and using on a daily basis.

      I'm not suggesting their products are perfect, but their attention to detail is what sets them apart.

      Clearly I am going to come across as a fanboy, but I can assure you thats not the case, i'm just recounting my personal experience.

      The iPhone blew away every other other PDA/Smartphone I owned in terms of usability.

      The new macBook Pro is a great peice of kit. I had doubts about the cost it did seem like a hell of a lot of money.

      I'm starting to understand where that money went though. The amount of time saved not 'fixing' things (I'm looking at you linux/windows!) the battery life, the build quality (the 'unibody' is not a gimmick imho. makes for a very solid chassis) and all the little things (light up keys - now they have been fixed - are really useful. the fact the screen dims automatically in the dark) start to add up. Yes I know its not amazing tech, it doesnt have to be.

      I'm ranting now. Maybe I am a fanboy after all. sorry. you can mod me to hell now ...

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    74. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by bockelboy · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but since when in the last few years have you gotten excited by the new Intel product inside the Mac?

      For me, the minor version bumps are irrelevant and predictable. The things like the iPhone, MacBook Air, new MacBook form factor are much more exciting.

      Getting excited over the new Intel processors is something that Dell does. Making customers drool over the new look of the MacBook and want to buy it is what Apple does.

    75. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by whisper_jeff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      indeed on many technical levels they are inferior, especially the ipod.

      People keep bringing this up as if it matters. It doesn't. The iPod is, on a technical level, more than adequate for virtually everyone who uses it. More importantly, on a user interface level, it is pure simplicity to use. So, it's easy to use and does what the user wants. The fact that mp3PlayerX may do this better or oggPlayerY may do that better doesn't matter - the iPod does what the vast majority of people want it to do and it does it easily. That's all that matters.

    76. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Steve Jobs is the guy who made all that possible.

      We've seen what Apple is without him... bankrupt.

      I keep hearing this, and it's total BS. Or if it's not total BS, then Apple is not much of a company at all.

      If your enterprise's very life in the market is that dependent on one person being alive, your long term prospects are very poor. Jobs is mortal. If Apple the company can't continue to operate in the post-Jobs world, then they're screwed, and all of their customers should be looking for a company that can continue to operate effectively and bring new products to market and support existing products without having to depend on a biological single point of failure. If Jobs hasn't gotten Apple into shape to the point where they are capable of doing this, then Jobs hasn't done his job.

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    77. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Buskaatt · · Score: 1

      Actually I seem to remember that when Jobs joined they had $5 billion in the bank. Granted they have 5 times that much, but they were far from bankrupt.

    78. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Y2KDragon · · Score: 1

      Really? What have you been reading then?

    79. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by yabos · · Score: 1

      We've seen Apple under the control of John Scully. Just because Jobs wasn't there doesn't mean that the reason Apple almost tanked was because of that. There could have been a better CEO and the company could have flourished.

    80. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      the only revolution apple has ever pulled off is a marketing revolution.

      I guess that's true to an extent, since product design is part of marketing. Lots of people miss that-- they think "marketing" = "advertising", but many people define marketing to include the process of "designing products that the market wants."

      And yes, it's true, one of Apple's strong points is that they tend to build products that people really want. Yeah, you could argue that, technically, everything you can do on an iPhone you could do on phones for years prior to the iPhone release. But the problem is that doing those things on phones prior to the iPhone (and even most phones after) was riddled with bugs, instability, poor design, and sluggish user-unfriendly interfaces.

      I'm not sure why you're upset by Apple's success, but it seems silly to me to say that the iPod and iPhone didn't bring something to their respective markets that wasn't available in those markets before their release.

    81. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd have to have Jobs' patience to even tolerate it...

    82. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by intheshelter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My guess about why you're so wrong is your comment sounds like a lot of other short sighted haters who look simply at feature list items one by one and assume that tells the whole story. It's the package as a whole, user interface, user experience, product design, etc. These are all intangibles that add up to far more than the feature list and tech specs. Simply put. . . forest or trees? You're looking at the trees.

    83. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by NekSnappa · · Score: 1

      It's seems that a lot of people who carry on about wanting their phone to just makes calls when they blast the iPhone, are the same ones who same the iPod is lame because it doesn't have feature x, y, or z that their 10 year old Nomad had.

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    84. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by arminw · · Score: 1

      ...if your toaster came with the kind of EULA an iphone comes with, yes...

      except the EULA's are not worth the paper they are printed on or the electricity it takes to display them.

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    85. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume "first touch screen" should be "first touch screen on a phone".

      iPhone: January 9, 2007
      LG Prada: Dec 15, 2006

      Very very close, but no cigar. iPhone was second. Qualify your statement with "first to make it huge" or "first to be white" or "first to have an apple on it".

      The dates are too darned close not to be related somehow. That would be interesting to know.

    86. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by ObiWanKenblowme · · Score: 2, Funny

      But...but...$5 billion or not, they were beleaguered! I read it several times on the internet, so it must be true.

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    87. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Sethus · · Score: 1

      Sheesh, what are you some sort of Pundit?

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    88. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by frenchgates · · Score: 1

      the only revolution apple has ever pulled off is a marketing revolution. the ipod, macbook and iphone do nothing other gadgets haven't before. indeed on many technical levels they are inferior, especially the ipod.

      You couldn't be more wrong. The Lisa/Mac GUI was a total, earth-shaking, you don't even get it until you suddenly do, mass lightbulb going off revolution. The Apple II a bit less so.

      More recently the "revolutionary" qualities of iPhone and iPod are a little blurrier. The revolutions were perhaps more ones of mass adoption than of innovation, but it goes quite a bit beyond mere marketing.

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    89. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Trillan · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely right they're not doing anything new (although wrong, I think, about them being inferior).

      But you're also wrong: it isn't just marketing. Sure, that's part of it, but it's also about doing the right subset of features in the right way. And you either get it or you don't, but the masses do get it and react accordingly.

      If you can only view these products through the eyes of a person who refuses to be inspired by intuitive design and a more zen experience, your success will forever be limited to those people. They're not as common as you think.

    90. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      It's a little more than luck, though. What Apple did was create confidence: confidence in a new market for a skeptical consumer, a consumer all too often burned by half-baked products that take too much work or patience or tech-savvy to work with. I'm not so much praising Apple as I am dissing the rest of the consumer electronics industry.

      Apple made a significant investment in what is typically a very low-profit market. With the iPod, they figured out that there's room out there for something better than just a box with a cable, a CD with an outdated version of Rhapsody on it and a manual that says "good luck".

      Most consumer electronics out there have the life span of a fruit fly. Check out the MP3 section of your typical Circuit City or Best Buy, MP3 players hanging in plastic clam-shells, too many models from any one manufacturer to count and who knows whether there will be support for them in 3 mos. This super-low-margin business model has led to very low prices, sure, but it's also done much to suck the life out of fun techie gadgets, certainly for the mass market which doesn't have the patience to nurse these gadgets through their bugs and shortcomings.

      If Apple's stuff costs more to support a better infrastructure to support a smaller line of products, so that their products don't feel as disposable as other consumer electronics do, maybe it's worth it. There was a day when a Sony product was rock-solid and could be expected to run really well for years. I'd pay a little more to have that confidence back.

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    91. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by docgiggles · · Score: 1

      Apple? Really? No cab driver has ever asked you about Android because they tend to be damaged people on short fuses, and few cab drivers I know have displayed any aptitude for technology. Apple is not the power that is rising to challenge Microsoft for the Software throne. The only reason they were ever competitive was because they made the iPod. The iPod has now reached saturation, anybody who wants one already has one, and their computers are too expensive in this economic climate. All of Apple's main revenue streams are drying up at once, and even Jobs will not be able to save them. If Apple ever needed a revolution, now would be the only time that can save them.

    92. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IBM? Are you serious? What does IBM have to do with the interface?

    93. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by overcaffein8d · · Score: 1

      yeah, isn't the macbook pro the computer that runs vista BEST?

      what a backwards world, when people load vista onto their macbooks :P

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    94. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I dont want to have a 17" monster

      6.40 inches should be enough for anybody.

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    95. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Dvorak can't be wrong. They're still going under!

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    96. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      They also made it pretty easy to rip cd's. I mean, even my Mom can handle that. Getting source and device working smoothly really gave Apple an advantage.

      Now, ripping movies, yeah, still not quite so seemless.

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    97. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the reason that Jobs won't be presenting at MacWorld is that "One More Thing" at the expo will be a Cyborg Steve Jobs.

      Station's Creation!

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    98. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Exactly, Apple's going for the non-smart phone users. Rather than compare the iPhone to Treos and Blackberries, compare them to Razors and such. That's the market they're after. They're going after the $50 subsidized phone market, and getting folks to pony up $200+. Not bad work if you can get it. Now, if they'd just expand beyond AT&T, I might consider one.

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    99. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd imagine they're getting a hefty discount from the Moscone Center for booking during a week that nobody in their right minds would touch with a ten meter pole.

      No, this is San Francisco. I've done conventions here. The only thing that you get discounts on is the amount of payola that you need fork out to get any of the myriads of unions here to do anything.

      "Wanna move that equipment to the show floor by yourself?"
      "For only $500 a case we can make sure nothing bad happens to it."
      "Don't wanna pay? Wanna be cheap? It'd be a real shame if your nice computers got hurt."

      I'll never do another conference here...

    100. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, Obama is president, not Hilton.

    101. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by mevets · · Score: 1

      None of John,Paul,George,Ringo were the best either. You can insert whatever group, and it maintains.

      There is a world of difference between a Product and a bucket of "best bits", and promotion is only part of it.

    102. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Even Apple fans agree now - if you take a look at the last article on the Iphone, they no longer care about features, referring to such issues as "grumpy featurism" and ridiculing other phones as only being better "on paper".

      At least with the Ipod though, they did become the dominant player - whether that was due to marketing, a good product, or both, who knows. But the curious thing about the Iphone is that it generates so much hype and free advertising, despite being a niche player. It's unsurprising that they sell some, with all the free advertising - along with the myths that this is the first phone to do the things it does, like Internet access. It'll go down in history as another mythical Apple "first", but the actual popularity is nothing compared to other manufacturers in this billion phone market.

    103. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by intheshelter · · Score: 1

      Right, it's just marketing. People are just brainwashed into buying their products.

      Or maybe you've just been brainwashed into hating their products because you don't understand their success?

    104. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by bbagnall · · Score: 1

      It's because he is sick and getting worse. Publicly traded companies keep these kinds of secrets.

    105. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But they also had found a great recipe for success. Two years ago, on the cab from the caltrain station to Moscone, the taxi driver asked us if we were there for this new "iPhone thing". The hype was just so big, the distortion field so powerful, the force was with Apple.

      Maybe he asked y ou this because... maybe a lot of other people were coming into the same area for the same expo and were talking about it. Thus the reason he said iPhone thing.

    106. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Two years ago, on the cab from the caltrain station to Moscone, the taxi driver asked us if we were there for this new "iPhone thing"

      Taxi drivers? I used to live near a Night Club. Once male strippers were performing in that club, and that very day I was returning from the airport on a taxi. The result was the Taxi driver telling how many women he has driven to that club that evening. So really, if a taxi driver knows about it, that means BIG FAT ZERO.

    107. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by mrdoogee · · Score: 1

      Simply not true.

      When Jobs was ousted in the 80s, he had a board composed of venture capitalists and bankers. They brought in John Sculley because that's what they thought a successful company needed, a run-of-the-mill, interchangeable CEO from the corporate world's revolving door.

      Now the story is entirely different. Apple dominates one market (music players), and is rising like a rocket in another (smartphones). Jobs has had a decade to reinvent the company, and thanks to the nature of the industry now, his board is full of people who understand it. Not to mention that Jobs has been confronted by his own mortality for a number of years now and must have spent many nights considering who will lead Apple when he is gone.

      This isn't a guarantee of success, but anybody can agree that Apple without Steve Jobs now would be nothing like Apple without Steve Jobs in 1990.

    108. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Bush like reflexes, that one has.

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    109. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Definitely not TRUE about iPhone. iPod - probably yes.

    110. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? You aren't running OS2 on your Quad Core Intel?

    111. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 1

      You forget that iPods are "accessories". If you compare just tech specs others might be better but just tryand give some "better' MP3 player to my daughter and she'll tell you "I'm not going to ware that cheap looking thing."

      She's right too. iPods are like a watch. I can gt a cheap plastic made in china watch that keeps time as well as a Rolex but people don't want cheap plastic. The point of a watch is how it looks maybe even more then keeping time. Same with a music player. Design is 80% function maybe 20% What Apple does is design things people like.

    112. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by donweel · · Score: 1

      I think Jobs is one of the worlds best presenters, it's too bad we won't be seeing him anymore at Macworld. Apple was doing poorly because of OS9 I think and the Next Step OS Jobs brought with him when he returned to Apple was what OSx is built on, that was a turning point. I would like to point out that some of Apples instability at that time was caused by Jobs himself and his bid to get control back of Apple, I believe he dumped some of his stock at a critical time to create a window for his return. He had some critical assets to bring with him though, Next Step Os and Display Postscript. Jobs is not the total creator of all these shiny new Apple devices, but what he does is inspire people to achieve more than they would normally, probably by fear and also setting an example. If jobs were to go all those people who make those achievements would still be there but probably would not work as hard.

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    113. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Ha! For making calls I'll take my simple Nokia any time over iPhone.
      Package as a whole, iPhone is a bit late, I mean where was 3g? The only "good" thing about it is the Apple logo. When I picked it up for the first time I got stunned what to do to unlock it... Why would I consider to stroke the screen left to right?

    114. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      ... as long as it's not Windows.

      Fun fact: Not only does the Macbook Pro run Windows, Apple went way out of their way to make sure it'd work. BootCamp aside, the OSX disc has all the drivers for all the hardware (except the iSight, unless I missed something....) ready to go. Not only do the drivers work, but all the buttons that do things like eject the disc and play with the volume are configured and they even draw the same icon on the screen that the do in OSX. (I'm not saying 'pretty' is a benefit here, but rather that they actually put the effort to make that work when they could have just said "meh, Windows already has a crummy way to show that.")

      I'd avoid registerring an account if I were you. At least until you start knowing what you're talking about when you post.

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    115. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      What do you mean? It's christmas, you get a whole week off to work on that thing!

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    116. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please excuse the GP... he has dementia.

    117. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      All you've done is proved his original point. None of this whatsoever is revolutionary. Apple has never, in recent history, done anything revolutionary. Everything they've done has been evolution. That isn't bad per se, but let's not call it a revolution when it isn't one.

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    118. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Peter invent wheel. People no buy wheel!

    119. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I disagree with you. Apple is synonymous with smartphones. At least in the eyes of consumers.

      Sorry, but if you really believe this, it's safe to say you've been buying into the marketing too much. Blackberry was synonymous with smartphones to the average user before the iPhone was even announced, and still is.

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    120. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      And that was how many years ago? Yes, Apple had revolutions back then. They haven't had ONE since. Everything since their pioneering work has been evolution... which isn't something to fault them for, but let's not call it revolution when it isn't.

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    121. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by tenton · · Score: 1

      Real artists ship

    122. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      Ahem the mobile phone market was already big when apple entered the market all they did was to take a away a huge pile of the market.
      Mostly due to the garbage other phone companies let pass as decent phone operating systems. (WindowsMobile .... cough cough)
      As for the iMac, all it did was save Apple from the bankrupcy by finally having a machine again which actually sold.

    123. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      With the ipod it was pure luck the rest I can give them kudos. But apple entered a market which they did not even remotely understand, thes simply wanted an overpriced mp3 gadget for thei mac line. It probably took them by surprise as well that the thing even took off. It was neither the best mp3 player on the market nor the easiest one to use (I still prefer the mp3 players where you simply drag and drop the files on the folder and where you can drag them back onto your desktop)

      It sort of was pure luck that the thing suddenly became a fashion statement. The rest was learning about the market they accidentally stepped into and from then on they knew what they were doing. Hence the credits on the iPhones from my side!

    124. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by MilesAttacca · · Score: 1

      Not to nitpick, but Commodore, TI, Tandy-RadioShack, and hundreds of other, less-recognized companies helped start the very same bandwagon that Apple claimed to be leading with the II. Let's not forget that the virtually unchanged Commodore 64 sold 30 million. While the iPod dominates the portable digital media-player market, the Apple II back in the day was an expensive niche in an already-existing market. Kind of like the Macintosh today...hm...

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      98% of America's teens drink alcohol, smoke, and have sex. Put this in your sig if you like bagels.
    125. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by againjj · · Score: 1

      A very wise person once pointed out to me that it doesn't matter how cool or great a product you have; if you can't convince someone to buy it it's useless.

      AKA "Real artists ship."

    126. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by CountBrass · · Score: 1
      If you'd said "Most of that is design." Yep you could be right. If you'd said "Most of that is because they don't produce cheap and nasty products" you could be right. Personally think it's because they are prepared to make the investment to do the job right (or at least markedly better than their competitors) and charge for it. But

      Most of that is marketing

      Is just bollocks.

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    127. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by CountBrass · · Score: 1
      They entered the mp3 player market at the right time because they effectively re-created at the right time.

      Before the iPod you had clunky difficult to use mp3 players with sod all storage that were a pain in the arse to use and an even bigger pain to synch.

      Apple fixed all of those problems with the iPod.

      The iPod was (and still is) *much*, as in orders of magnitude, better than the competition.

      --
      Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
    128. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing says you MUST present. I'm going this year. Great vacation :)

    129. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Apple didn't invent the GUI, but they did invent the desktop metaphor. What they saw at PARC was basically buttons on the desktop that when clicked enacted commands. The idea of the desktop metaphor and diving into the files system with each file or folder being an object on the desktop or in a window was Apple's invention.

    130. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by piltdownman84 · · Score: 1

      Pretty funny how Microsoft made a big deal about how the Zune can "squirt" limited-time limited-play DRM files to other users, but with my Blackberry (and I'm guessing alot of other smart phones) I can send any file via bluetooth. I'm not sure how how easy it is with the Zune, but on my blackberry I just go into the media player, select the file and hit the blackberry button, and select "Send Using BlueTooth".

    131. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by flitty · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To each his own. Until Apple decides that there is free sound floating through the air on radio waves and they probably should allow their player to receive those, I won't be getting another iPod (and considering my 3gen iPod's battery died faster than a 360 Game disc during an earthquake).

      I also enjoy the subscription music service. The 3 Zune's in my family can listen to all the music they want for $15/mo total.
      the Zune software is Just as bad as Itunes as bloatware, so that's a wash.
      But the radio and music subscription are what I want, and most people don't care about, and that's fine, but other than those things, the players are highly similar.

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    132. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by bonch · · Score: 1

      Your fallacy is that you're thinking solely in terms of technical specs. Those are just numbers. They don't determine whether a product is superior.

      The NES was technically inferior when it was released in the mid-1980s. It ran on a cheap, old processor from the previous decade. It was still the best console because of its influential controllers, programming simplicity, and quality of software.

    133. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by neomunk · · Score: 1

      I'm a 'look at the trees' kind of guy too, but I can appreciate a view of the forest, so to speak. Don't be too quick to dismiss the 'trees' view though, because when you need an apple (hehe), it doesn't matter how beautiful or well functioning your forest is, if you didn't look for an apple tree, you might just come up short. If you KNOW you're going to need apples, not making sure you have an apple tree is foolhardy short-sightedness at best. That being said, I don't care HOW nice your apple orchard is if I need walnuts. I'm looking for walnut trees, and every effort in the world you put towards your apple orchard (short of growing walnuts) is going to be ineffective at drawing my business.

    134. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by sootman · · Score: 1

      ... Apple entered the portable mp3 player market late, and with an, arguably, inferior product. But, through marketing... [emphasis mine]

      Hi, I'm here to argue with you. :-) No, what Apple did was show that good construction, a solid feel, and a good UI were more important than a geekgasm-inducing list of features. ("No wireless. Less space than a Nomad.") It's also a great lesson in how to build a great product organically.* First it was Mac only, music only, black and white text, and FireWire. They focused on a few key things and made a good product. Over time it gained Windows compatibility, USB, photos, video, and eventually made the quantum leap to iPod + phone + internet.

      * Furthermore, it is a great lesson in turning a single great device into a large but relatively closed platform: iPod + 1 hardware connection (the Dock Connector) + 1 software connection (iTunes.) But without a great product in the first place it would all fail. Microsoft built up their monopoly from nothing but NOW they use it as the starting point on their products. Same with Sony - another company that starts with a locked-down device and hopes it takes off. This is why we like getting screwed by Apple and Google more than MS or Sony--because they buy us dinner first. :-)

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    135. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Well, revolution is a difficult thing to define. There are revolutionary ideas that never end up affecting the real world, and there are evolutionary ideas that do. More recently, Apple influenced the position the trackball/trackpad goes on a laptop with the Mac portable/Powerbook line - now everybody puts the input device in front of the keyboard. But not until Apple did it first.

      What about the iPod and the iTunes store? I don't think you can't argue that had massive implications for society - before it came along, people just weren't using MP3 players or buying downloadable music. The iPod became a a serious threat to the juggernaut medium of the audio CD, and in combination with the iTunes store, turned the music sales industry on its head.

      I'm guessing you think none of that counts, because Apple didn't invent the MP3 player, but that's not very sound reasoning.

      How about Mac OS X? They completely rebuilt the OS from the ground up - and then they went a switched processor architectures with barely a hiccup. The end result was that the trajectory of the Mac was completely reversed, and when from a declining curiosity used in a few niche industries, into a popular mainstream OS that is eating into Windows marketshare.

      Or how about Final Cut Pro, which changed the way the video and film industries think about software, and managed to unseat entrenched players in the space?

      So, it actually seems that Apple has had quite a few revolutions lately. Now, can you tell me what other computer companies have?

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    136. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      P.S - I should point out that the post I was replying to said that ONLY revolution Apple EVER had was a marketing revolution, which is clearly nonsense. It didn't say anything about it being limited to recent years.

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      ... and then they built the supercollider.
    137. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing you think none of that counts, because Apple didn't invent the MP3 player, but that's not very sound reasoning.

      I disagree. It didn't represent a dramatic new shift for the industry. It popularized an existing concept way beyond what it had achieved before, but that isn't revolution. Revolution is the creation of the concept. The telephone was revolutionary. The cellular phone was revolutionary. The $model of cell phone was not.

      I stand by my statement that Apple hasn't had a revolutionary idea in years. Not a slam on them, not many people do put forth revolutionary ideas. That doesn't mean that we get to lower the bar on what constitutes revolutionary. If the stuff you listed is revolutionary, pretty much any product that ever comes out is.

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    138. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      No, I understand that, but too many people give credit to Apple for being "revolutionary", when they're anything but. The Apple that had a revolution was a long time ago, and has little to no bearing on the Apple of today. Too many people forget this, so I have no problem with people overstating the issue. Some overstatement is probably needed in the current climate of Apple fanboys.

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      "16MB (fuck off, MiB fascists)" - The Mighty Buzzard
    139. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would I consider to stroke the screen left to right?

      Because the instructions on the screen next to the right-pointing arrow say, "slide to unlock".

      It isn't any more difficult that using a scrollbar, and if you can't figure it out, you probably shouldn't be out in public unsupervised.

    140. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by ebuck · · Score: 1

      Don't tell that to my Newton!

    141. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What about capacity *expansion*... Not a single god damned apple device has an SD slot, for fuck's sake! I'd say that alone is reason enough to never buy anything from Apple.

      Not to mention tying their hardware to proprietary, godawful software like itunes. I will not purchase files crippled with DRM and I do NOT want to use itunes to "sync" anything, especially not when it will so helpfully delete the existing files before transferring the new ones. To me, that is difficult to use. I want to copy the files where I want them without disturbing the files that are already there.

      Mass storage controller is a standard that's usable by default on all computers without the use of additional software. They can build their music store, library, syncing, etc. on top of MSC. If they use anything else (that includes YOU, microsoft and apple), the sole purpose of it is to prevent ME from having complete access to my own data.

      Fuck ipods (and zunes too). I have never owned one, never will. Cowon D2 meets all of my specifications so that is what I own.

    142. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      And furthermore, I recall that Nokia smartphones still outsell all other brands, including the iPhone.

    143. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by intheshelter · · Score: 1

      I tried to follow your comment for as long as I could, but then I got hungry for a snack and had an overwhelming desire to start a forest fire. . . .Oh well, you can lead me to water . . .

    144. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forgetting things that didn't occur is pretty tough. However, I hope to remember the laugh I got out of your bizarre sentence.

      "...shaped what Mac and then Apple has for an interface..."

      Wow. So - I have to ask. Can you get to the internet from the web?

      Better yet: Is it faster to Chicago or by bus?

    145. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by konohitowa · · Score: 1

      ... as long as it's not Windows.

      Yeah. That would take something like BootCamp and you can darn well bet Apple would never let something like that run on their precious hardware.

    146. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by konohitowa · · Score: 1

      Ah... the first signs of dementia. Get to a Dr. and quick!

    147. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by MaxVT · · Score: 1

      Since Apple is an U.S. company, they make Imperial buttloads of money. Metric buttloads are for Canadian companies.

    148. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      I disagree. It didn't represent a dramatic new shift for the industry. It popularized an existing concept way beyond what it had achieved before, but that isn't revolution. Revolution is the creation of the concept.

      That's where I have to disagree... revolution is the culmination of a concept into an impact on society. The iPod is like a rock star, a huge part of the popular consciousness. It's nothing like what was happening before in the portable media market.

      And the reason the iPod succeeded was because of the concept - make an MP3 player that's enjoyable to use, and not frustrating. Make it a pleasure. None of the other companies really cared about that - they were simply taking the walkman concept and form-factor and applying digital technology to it.

      The telephone was revolutionary. The cellular phone was revolutionary. The $model of cell phone was not.

      But what if people decided they didn't like the tele[phone, and it never got adopted widely by society? Would it still be revolutionary?

      As far as models go, we usually refer to political revolutions by their "model number" rather than generically - "The French Revolution", "The Feminist Revolution" - and usually what is most interesting about those is the specifics, and how they actually took place. People support the concepts, but are moved by the implementation. People are moved to tears by MLK's "I have a dream" speech in a way they aren't by the abstract idea of Civil Rights. The revolution in the French Revolution was the actual uprising - the concepts underpinning it had been created long ago.

      I stand by my statement that Apple hasn't had a revolutionary idea in years. Not a slam on them, not many people do put forth revolutionary ideas.

      I think "revolutionary" is not a very useful word in the first place. I think "innovative" is a better fit. And I'm not sure why people are so obsessed with the idea that something can't be good unless it's revolutionary. As we know from history, revolutions often come at a great cost.

      If the stuff you listed is revolutionary, pretty much any product that ever comes out is.

      Come on, that's a bit off the mark. Most products that come out are also-rans that don't influence anything or add anything new. that can't be said for the products in question. Does a new model of MP3 player have as much influence as the original iPod? I don't think so.

      I think you may be forgetting just how different things were before things like the iPod. Today, people who are computer illiterate even know what an iPod is. When it was released, your typical person had no idea what an MP3 player was.

      I think by your own overly-strict judgement, not even Personal Computing can be considered a revolution, because lots of people were thinking about similar ideas - and the PC didn't just suddenly emerge fully-formed. There are a whole lot of matters of degree here - nothing is black and white.

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    149. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by dangitman · · Score: 0

      No, I understand that, but too many people give credit to Apple for being "revolutionary", when they're anything but.

      Really? I hardly ever hear anybody say that. I hear people saying they make good products, but about the only time I hear the "R-Word" is when people want to bash Apple for failing to be revolutionary every single time they release a product.

      Some overstatement is probably needed in the current climate of Apple fanboys.

      Again, this seems like an odd statement, as we're really entering the age of the post-Apple-fanboy. It's just a mainstream product now. The Apple zealotry was MUCH more shrill when Apple was on the back foot, and seemingly facing extinction.

      Rather, I think we're in an era of anti-Apple backlash, because people who once felt confident in their Windows as the "one true OS" are being threatened by the the resurgence of Apple and Linux, and the mediocrity of Vista and post-Gates MS.

      Interestingly, you won't see even the biggest Apple fan denying the influence companies like Microsoft and IBM in the computing field - but you constantly have these attempts by Apple haters (or frustrated PC fans) to ignore history, and pretend that Apple was never anything special, and everything that was ever significant came from anybody but Apple. I just don't get it. Hate Apple if you like, but to ignore facts and rewrite history is just desperate (and that is not directed at you, of course, but rather the likes of revisionists like Timmarthy above).

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    150. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point was that the people who work for those vendors don't get the choice....

    151. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Yea, shipping a Mach/Unix/NeXT/FreeBSD/BSD Lite/MacOS salad, one of the nerdiest weird operating systems on paper as a upgrade to single user operating system and make ordinary people choose it over Windows "because it is easier" is not a revolution.

      You don't see revolution and it is the genius part. That is the same Apple menu and Finder running on a completely different OS.

      Or while the policies are absolute scandal, shipping World's first usable Unix (or same as above) based handset and make people buy it for the OS X reasons is not revolution too.

    152. Re:iPod, iPhone, then what? by jcr · · Score: 1

      I'll never do another conference here...

      The unions have always been one of the worst parts of being a trade show exhibitor.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  2. Let me be the first to say by foo+fighter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nooooooooo!!!

    Fearless Leader, why have you forsaken us?

    I promise not to bitch about the lack of firewire in the new Mac Minis, unlike my faithless ranting about the new MacBooks! Just come back.

    If I don't get my regular of RDF rays I go all wonky and think about buying crap from Dell! Or running Darwin on a home built system as a back end media server!

    Help us Steve Jobs, you're our only hope!

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  3. Uh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course Steve Jobs won't be delivering the keynote in 3 weeks if Apple is withdrawing from Macworld Expo after 2008. What kind of write-up is that?

  4. Time Article by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This article about Job's not doing the keynote says the worries this is generating about his health are hurting Apple stock. Is there any other company with it's perception of viability so closely linked to a single living individual? I'm unaware of any right now. It's makes this whole thing pretty interesting. He is a human and can't live forever, regardless of how his health is right now. It seems maybe they have seen that with the earlier rumors about his health and have realized they need to start building a transition while he is still around so the company wont take as big a hit when he is gone.
     
    Or maybe it is all much more mundane than that - but I've never seen this type of announcement gain so much press before. It's on every MSM news outlet as well as all the tech sites.

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    1. Re:Time Article by foo+fighter · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Is there any other company with it's perception of viability so closely linked to a single living individual?"

      I don't know, I think a lot of investors would be OK with Steve Ballmer keeling over.

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    2. Re:Time Article by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates probably counts.

    3. Re:Time Article by kc0re · · Score: 1

      Funny? How about insightful. So true.

    4. Re:Time Article by Dielectric · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Catholic Church(tm).

    5. Re:Time Article by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Yes, Berkshire Hathaway and Warren Buffet. My hunch is the fact that so many people have held onto the stocks for so long, and they are such stable investors would be one of the very few counter balances to the stock freefalling. They are making public plans the contingency plans for when Buffet retires or dies.

      I live in Omaha, and trust me, Berkshire Hathaway's meetings every year noticed by folks far and wide who have nothing to do with Warren Buffet. He's at least as strongly connected personally to his company as Jobs is to Apple. The problem is Warren has a strong "Reatily Clarity Field", and thus is far less of a rockstar then Jobs.

      Kirby

    6. Re:Time Article by great+throwdini · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Is there any other company with it's perception of viability so closely linked to a single living individual?

      • Martha Stewart Living (and similar personality-oriented ventures)
      • Berkshire Hathaway(?)

      Or, did you mean to limit the question to the technology field?

    7. Re:Time Article by jcr · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think a lot of investors would be OK with Steve Ballmer keeling over.

      Remember how HP's shares jumped when they threw Carlie over the side?

      If I could get a tip from Ballmer's cardiologist, I just might buy some MSFT calls.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    8. Re:Time Article by tirerim · · Score: 3, Funny

      Right, because the Catholic church just couldn't get it together again after Saint Peter died. Oh, wait.

    9. Re:Time Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Is there any other company with it's perception of viability so closely linked to a single living individual?"

      I don't know, I think a lot of investors would be OK with Steve Ballmer keeling over.

      Chairs of the world would breath a sigh of relief.

    10. Re:Time Article by JewFish · · Score: 1

      "Is there any other company with it's perception of viability so closely linked to a single living individual?"

      Yes, in fact there are many such companies. Berkshire Hathaway is one example.

    11. Re:Time Article by anoopiyer · · Score: 1

      Is there any other company with it's perception of viability so closely linked to a single living individual? I'm unaware of any right now.

      Yes, Berkshire Hathaway (Warren Buffett's company).

    12. Re:Time Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So is Berkshire Hathaway.

      (Your post was redundant by at least 20 minutes. Try reading the other posts before you rush to hit reply.)

    13. Re:Time Article by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Man, they've lost tons of those dudes. At the very least they've got a good replacement system going.

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    14. Re:Time Article by timmarhy · · Score: 0

      nah this is pretty normal - it's not so much the keynote but the speculation about his health it's generating. CEO's are important figure heads of a company.

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    15. Re:Time Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is Warren has a strong "Reatily Clarity Field", and thus is far less of a rockstar then Jobs.

      That, and his startling investment in Dairy Queen, which keeps him from looking infallible.

    16. Re:Time Article by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      Is there any other company with it's perception of viability so closely linked to a single living individual?

      That's what you think! It's Steve Jobs after all ;-) Hey, he bought Pixar... Who says, he isn't already dead and a rendered version of him holds the keynote ;-)

    17. Re:Time Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ReiserFS

    18. Re:Time Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Is there any other company with it's perception of viability so closely linked to a single living individual?"

      When Ms. Hefner recently left Playboy, what happened to the shares?

    19. Re:Time Article by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      There may be many - but so far 2 have been mentioned - 1 of them repeatedly and they don't even make anything.

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    20. Re:Time Article by mincognito · · Score: 1

      I live in Omaha, and trust me..

      I live in Obama too, and trust *him* as my personal saviour, not you and your hogwash about Buffet.

    21. Re:Time Article by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Remember how HP's shares jumped when they threw Carlie over the side?

      Did they recover to where they were before she joined? I'm guessing not. I could look it up I suppose. Nah.

      Hmm, wonder if anyone's been shoring Apple stock recnetly...

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    22. Re:Time Article by tgd · · Score: 1

      Wang is probably the best example I can think of in the tech space.

      But that is fairly common, in reality. Lots of companies succeed and fail by the presence of their founder or leader, although typically not companies the size of Apple and Wang. Polaroid is another perfect example, though. Land's leaving and eventual death was the end of Polaroid as a dominant, significant company.

    23. Re:Time Article by SerpentMage · · Score: 1

      KFC - Though the ol chap passed away many years ago.
      Ben and Jerry's?
      Oprah
      Trump
      Pimco (Bill Gross)

      I think there is a big list of companies actually...

      --

      "You can't make a race horse of a pig"
      "No," said Samuel, "but you can make very fast pig"
    24. Re:Time Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ironically Berkshire lost $1B in assets this year due to bad calls by Buffett during the recent economic drops this year. Apple gained $1B in cash reserves in the same period.

    25. Re:Time Article by NonSequor · · Score: 1

      I would be at least a bit worried about Nintendo if Shigeru Miyamoto died.

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    26. Re:Time Article by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      I hear Apple already as a contract with Barak Obama to take over after the end of his Presidency. He'll deliver product change we can believe in, for sure.

    27. Re:Time Article by realisticradical · · Score: 1

      There's a little company out there called Berkshire Hathaway. They're down a bit right now trading at a little under $100,000 per share. But if Warren Buffett died you could watch that number tumble like baby Jessica falling down a well.

    28. Re:Time Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say what you will about the guy, but apparently, he's a damn good leader.

      Think about the cultural significance of this dude, without Jobs: no Apple, no Mac, no NeXT, no Pixar, no iPod, no iPhone.

      holy crap! I only wish I could live such a life.

      Sure, there's the RDF, whatever. But the guy has been responsible for leading groups of people to create truly exceptional things.

      He's held up a viable example that in a world of mediocrity it IS possible to compete successfully on quality alone.

      I hope he gets better soon.
      In all honesty, we're fucked without him.

    29. Re:Time Article by nagarjun · · Score: 1

      Is there any other company with it's perception of viability so closely linked to a single living individual?

      Berkshire Hathaway?

    30. Re:Time Article by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      "Is there any other company with it's perception of viability so closely linked to a single living individual?"

      I don't know, I think a lot of investors would be OK with Steve Ballmer keeling over.

      Well it would be wonderful, to have Ballmer doing a speech at Macworld screaming developers while sweating an ocean and in the end throwing a chair into the audience!

    31. Re:Time Article by stokessd · · Score: 1

      Is there any other company with it's perception of viability so closely linked to a single living individual?

      Yeah, SDS Labs is totally screwed if I die...

      Seriously, there's a ton of little companies that we've never heard of (in general) that are single points of failure for different technology sectors. An example is SE-IR who makes experimental cryogenic Dewars. It's a three man operation and critical to many research and military projects. In high-tech, there's a lot of very narrow sectors where when one company fails, that sector that needs the products are scrambling.

      Sheldon

    32. Re:Time Article by lancejjj · · Score: 1

      Is there any other company with it's perception of viability so closely linked to a single living individual?

      YES! Many think that Rick Wagoner is closely linked with the the perception of GM's viability. Or lack there-of.

  5. Talk about senastionalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why is his no-show a sign of anything other than Apple no longer being interesting in doing the expo, rather than another stupid rumor of his impending death?

  6. Quick by The+Bungi · · Score: 4, Funny

    Somebody think up something that includes the term "beleaguered".

    1. Re:Quick by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Funny

      iBeleaguered?

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    2. Re:Quick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Jobs' health is worth worrying about and the company doesn't start making transition plans soon, they could end up beleaguered about the matter by too many important people, and end up making a bad decision on who to replace Jobs with.

      Did I do it right?

    3. Re:Quick by DavidD_CA · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am using the word "beleaguered" in a sentence.

      There.

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      -David
  7. Don't worry by eclectro · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's why the imagineers invented animatronics.

    --
    Take the cheese to sickbay, the doctor should see it as soon as possible - B'Elanna Torres, "Learning Curve"
    1. Re:Don't worry by RHSC · · Score: 1

      and why they cryogenically froze walt disney

    2. Re:Don't worry by glebd · · Score: 1

      Pixar is there for a reason. The next time you see Steve in a broadcast, he may as well be a Mr. Incredible.

  8. Look, really? by kc0re · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We know Steve is going to die, someday. As much as we'd probably like to put him in some cryogenic container, thaw him out every few years when products start to suck ass -- we know he's going do die AT SOME POINT. Why is this blowing up to be such a freakish crazy thing? So he's turning over the keynotes to someone else!? How about he's turning THIS one over to someone else. Will he still headline his own events, that Apple throws? Probably. How about WWDC? Come on. I don't blame them for pulling out of macworld: http://www.joelesler.net/finshake/Blog/Entries/2008/12/16_Apple_pulls_out_of_MacWorld%2C_OH_NOEZ.html But CNBC said it best, IMO: http://www.cnbc.com/id/28265938

    1. Re:Look, really? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Funny

      We know Steve is going to die, someday.

      Why do you hate Apple? Hater.

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    2. Re:Look, really? by kc0re · · Score: 1

      I am by far one of the biggest Apple fanboys in the world. I've checked into a home, and am getting recovery. (As I type this on my MBP) - Anyway... We have to face reality at some point. Hopefully not anytime soon.

    3. Re:Look, really? by pnevin · · Score: 5, Funny

      We know Steve is going to die, someday.

      Even if it's only for three days.

    4. Re:Look, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may have Frontotemporal Dementia. Please see your physician.

    5. Re:Look, really? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Maybe Steve will die for a few days and then come back from the dead, like Jesus.

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    6. Re:Look, really? by fishthegeek · · Score: 2, Funny

      You sir are a genius.

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    7. Re:Look, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      And lo, on the third day, he rebooted!

    8. Re:Look, really? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1, Funny

      Maybe Steve will die for a few days and then come back from the dead, like Jesus.

      We could crucify him - would that help? Let's try it.

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    9. Re:Look, really? by protein+folder · · Score: 2, Funny

      We know Steve is going to die, someday.

      Even if it's only for three days.

      Plus 1, Blasphemous!

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  9. Two words (ok, two proper nouns) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Warren Buffet

  10. i feel by overcaffein8d · · Score: 1

    i feel sorry for Harry, who is now going to get spammed a Whole lot.

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  11. Hmm well by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > "trade shows have become a very minor part of how Apple reaches its customers." While this may be true, the keynote addresses have been a critical venue for major new product announcements.

    Maybe they don't have anything.

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  12. If you want to see a real Steve Jobs Keynote... by astrosmash · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... checkout this presentation from OpenStep Day, 1995 in which Jobs applies the famous reality distortion field not to iPods and Macs, but to Corba, OLE, Web Objects, and other Enterprisey Middleware.

    And the "One More Thing" moment? Using Netscape 1.0 to demo Web Objects and Windows NT 3.1 interoperability.

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    1. Re:If you want to see a real Steve Jobs Keynote... by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      watching steve jobs use/demo interface builder is worth the risk of a rickroll.

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    2. Re:If you want to see a real Steve Jobs Keynote... by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Funny

      Risk of a rickroll? Pansy. Kids these days... In my day, we risked seeing a man with his anus stretched to almost athletic proportions or something even worse.

      You kids with your 80s love ballads are so freaking spoiled.

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    3. Re:If you want to see a real Steve Jobs Keynote... by Siridar · · Score: 1

      In my day, we risked seeing a man with his anus stretched to almost athletic proportions or something even worse.

      ...yeah, i'm pretty sure most athletes can't stretch their anuses quite that much...

    4. Re:If you want to see a real Steve Jobs Keynote... by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      Athletic is a really strange word choice. "Horrific" is what usually comes to mind.

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    5. Re:If you want to see a real Steve Jobs Keynote... by svnt · · Score: 1

      anus stretched to almost athletic proportions

      Yeah I'm pretty sure O.J. holds the Biggest Athletic Asshole award now.

    6. Re:If you want to see a real Steve Jobs Keynote... by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Yeah I'm pretty sure O.J. holds the Biggest Athletic Asshole award now.

      Hey, what happens in Vegas...
      I'm sure he'll have plenty of time to practice.

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  13. One More Thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 2009 keynote has happened. As expected, no revolutionary products revealed. Nothing of note. Just a refresh of the Mac Mini. Just as the mac faithful are just about to pour out of Macworld, downtrodden, a voice rings out of the microphone.

    "Just one more thing."

    Steve Jobs, healthy and fit and in his trademark turtleneck, stands with his hands clasped together at the podium. He smiles as the audience members fall silent, taking their seats. "We aren't quite done yet... Say 'hello' to the..."

    1. Re:One More Thing by JohnBailey · · Score: 3, Funny

      The 2009 keynote has happened. As expected, no revolutionary products revealed. Nothing of note. Just a refresh of the Mac Mini. Just as the mac faithful are just about to pour out of Macworld, downtrodden, a voice rings out of the microphone.

      "Just one more thing."

      Steve Jobs, healthy and fit and in his trademark turtleneck, stands with his hands clasped together at the podium. He smiles as the audience members fall silent, taking their seats. "We aren't quite done yet... Say 'hello' to the..."

      New CEO of APPLE... (thunderous yet slightly confused applause dies down)

      Jobs in a slightly coy flirtatious voice...."Come on out Steve"..

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  14. Steve Jobs is dead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read it on the Internet.

  15. Yeah, I'm bummed, but... by sootman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... don't be too hard on Phil. NO ONE has Steve's "showmanship and star power." At least he's kind of fun and entertaining. Should still be good. And as fun as it is to watch him Steve present, what will matter after the RDF wears off is what was announced. The only difference between Steve and Phil presenting is that with Phil, you'll notice the one secret sucky thing Apple builds into every product within 30-90 minutes instead of the customary 6-36 hours.

    Just remember to buy on the rumor, sell on the announcement, and start the framework of your "This product is the BEST THING EVER except for the (crappy battery life/DRM/Apple lock-in/no wireless)" blog entry so you can just fill in the blanks and be the first one to share your oh-so-valuable opinion with the world. Be sure to talk about how Apple is going to be out of business in 3 months because they didn't listen to you.

    In other words, just sit back and make the usual preparations and get ready to enjoy the Last Big Show.

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  16. Bummer by necro81 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, there goes AAPL's stock price. Now the thinking on Wall Street will be that Steve Jobs is going to kick the bucket at any moment.

    1. Re:Bummer by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Of course Steve is going to kick the bucket soon, but so will Linus Torvalds, CowboyNeal and you. It's just how you define 'soon'. That's one of my biggest questions of the near future: All these people are becoming old and are eventually going to pull out. What's going to happen to all their projects (Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OS X), how will the leadership change and what effect will it have on the project?

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  17. I suspect you are correct.. by Junta · · Score: 1

    Maybe not this round, maybe they have something, but they may have decided they may not always be able to have a sufficient product announcement that conveniently follows a dedicated trade show schedule. No other company off hand I can think of that has run a routine dedicated trade show in a very long time.

    Compounding their woes, in the weeks leading up to an Apple trade show, whatever announcement they are working up to is either exposed prematurely or else proves disappointing next to the rumors that spread ahead of time. With such a routine timetable, it's easy to see mass wild speculation detracting from their desired effect.

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  18. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  19. What year is this? by Xenex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Jobs Not Giving This Year's Macworld Keynote

    It's 2008. Steve Jobs has already delivered the keynote at Macworld 2008.

    Next year is 2009.

    1. Re:What year is this? by worf_mo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but this story will show up as a dupe for a few times over the next year anyway, and then they don't even have to correct the title. Kind of visionary I'd say.

    2. Re:What year is this? by WilyCoder · · Score: 1

      Fiscal year?

    3. Re:What year is this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Autism Assistance Dog makes sure you are aware that April is Autism Awareness Month!

    4. Re:What year is this? by againjj · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      When does a year start? January 1st, (Gregorian year), US Labor day (US school year), fourth Sunday before Christmas (Christian year), the eleventh new moon before the winter solstice (Chinese new year), October 1st (US government fiscal year), some arbitrary annual event or season (some other year). You are being obtuse.

  20. I guess I lucked out by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 2

    I opted out of going to Macworld this year. I'd been to every east-coast (boston/ny) macworld and keynote from 1996-2000, including the famous one where bill gates was on the giant screen to announce the apple/microsoft partnership for Word and IE. I've also been flying out to california for the san fransisco expos for the last couple of years, but after last year, I realized that the show doesn't cater hardly at all to true pro users... sure, they have pro software, like for graphics and stuff... but their developer section has been lacking since Codewarrior dropped support for the Mac, and as a Unix admin, there is almost nothing there for me anymore.

    In the last 8 years, I've found that if you drop all of the laptop cases, ipod accessories and digital camera stuff, you're left with a pitiful handful of office application (*ahem* microsoft) and minor productivity and music companies. There used to be lots of management tools vendors, high-end graphics and storage workstation suppliers and similar cool stuff... but no more.

    So, I guess I lucked out since I didn't book a flight or hotel for this year. Save $ and disappointment.

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    1. Re:I guess I lucked out by jcr · · Score: 1

      as a Unix admin, there is almost nothing there for me anymore.

      There's a pretty good sysadmin track at WWDC these days, I hear. Not my bailiwick, so I haven't been to those sessions, though.

      -jcr

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    2. Re:I guess I lucked out by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 1

      yeah I was considering going to WWDC, but that costs a bit more and I'm not much of a developer anymore... at least not on the mac side.

      I've been mostly going to macworld for the keynote and to spend some time with friends in the area.

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  21. Cue the "Jobs is dying, Apple is doomed" stories.. by calstraycat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and watch the stock crater tomorrow.

    Unfortunately, ever since Jobs lost significant weight as a result of his surgery (an obligatory side effect for the type of surgery he had), MacWorld keynotes have become a "Steve Jobs Death Watch" for the press. Before, during and after the keynote, more ink is spent on speculations regarding his health than the product announcements.

    I think one side benefit of Apple's abandoning MacWorld is the press can no longer turn it into a morbid event.

  22. Independent media events by tirerim · · Score: 1

    The reason that the keynotes at MacWorld have lost their importance is that Apple can attract just as much attention with their own media events. They've done several product launches that way now, and will almost certainly continue to use that method for major launches in the future. And they can reach consumers directly through the retail stores as well.

  23. Expensive and unneeded by failedlogic · · Score: 1

    Strikes me, tradeshows are an expensive proposition for the computer industry with the Internet abound. I might help the little guy - but - then again you're only able to 'show' your product to people willing to pay to visit the show. I see the only practical use of tradeshows now is if you're selling specific products where you really need to talk to your customer ( e.g. a retail buyer) - cart parts, floor tile and carpets, fitness equipment, make up. With these are the sorts of things, the Internet hasn't changed much.

    Apple has made their keynotes online for years. There's no reason for them to continue in person. Wether its now or 2020, its inevitable. Maybe there's a touchy feeling vibe for the audience but there are a couple million downloading it with the same effect of buy, buy, buy.

    Wether Steve's health is the issue, is another matter. I just happen to think, for those that buy Apple products, as long as its a reasonable product/quality with the logo on it, people will buy. Even without the Black Turtleneck and Glasses pitching it.

  24. Steve has to retire eventually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's 53 years old. He won't be running Apple forever. Plus, he's rolling in money and still old enough to enjoy it - IMO retire while he's able physically to oversee an orderly and voluntary hand-over.

    Don't want a repeat of the post-jobs Apple fiasco of the mid-80s, after all.

  25. Makes perfect sense by actionbastard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From a marketing perspective. Apple has always introduced new products at MacWorld and WWDC. Since these events happen twice yearly it has limited Apple's product introduction cycles to predictable times. Because of this schedule, saavy buyers -as well as the people they recommend to- have held off on purchases to see what 'Steve will intro at MacWorld/WWDC'. This causes Apple's sales to take a hit prior to the shows and probably leaves them with an awful lot of unsold inventory at the end of the quarter preceding the show. Now they can adopt a more fluid product intro cycle that won't hit the bottom line so hard.
    I'm sure Steve -or one of his handpicked henchmen- will keynote at WWDC to make the fanbois happy. As to his retirement, if I was in his place I'd be thinking of the Gates strategy to ease myself out of the business. After all, he's as human as the rest of you.

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    1. Re:Makes perfect sense by DanJ_UK · · Score: 1

      Could it not be possible that the reason they've scaled back lies with the fact Apple are trying to drive their efforts on the business market / Snow Leopard?

      I was under the impression Apple's primary focus at the moment was to try and grab the business market by solidifying Mac OS as a worthy platform / competitor to windows (inherent Exchange functionality, better AD support et al), along with the other features (64bit + opencl etc)

      Perhaps they're just not ready and have nothing to announce? I sure as hell can't wait for Snow Leopard but going to Macworld just to be told "We're working on it, it'll probably be ready in 6 months" wouldn't exactly excite leave me feeling all that, satisfied.

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  26. It's true. by puppyfox · · Score: 5, Funny

    Steve Jobs doesn't care about Mac people.

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    1. Re:It's true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, did you figure that out all by yourself?

    2. Re:It's true. by polle404 · · Score: 0

      but the robotic iSteve is 3 laws safe and loves you.

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    3. Re:It's true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Expand that to APPLE doesn't care about Mac people.

      I am currently pursuing a case with the attorney general and terminating my 12 year history of being a Mac fanboy.

      A once promising empire is about to crumble.

      They didn't grow well did they?

  27. She's Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    She's right. Apple is the AOL of mp3 players and has dumbed down the interface and lowered expectations so much that people think gapless playback or album art is a major advance in the state of the art.

    Specially the hacks who run Adword-funded Apple product review sites and diss anyone who threatens their revenue streams.

    1. Re:She's Right by SerpentMage · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Want to know something... Gapless playback and album art is an advance. This is what gets me with geeks and programmers. Instead of focusing on what the client wants, they focus on what they *think* the client wants.

      And guess what the client wants album art... This is why Apple is a rocket and Google with its android a dud...

      The day of the techie and their ueber geek arrogance is gone, they need to start delivering products clients want...

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    2. Re:She's Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if you want an MP3 player with a command line, you'll need to build a better tiny keyboard. Sorry.

    3. Re:She's Right by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only thing the iPod is really lacking is the ability to play more file types (ie ogg) and the ability to something other than iTunes without having to worry about something breaking.

      Other than that it does everything people generally need. I can't think of anything else I've truly wanted it to do other than play my flac and ogg files.

    4. Re:She's Right by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      The day of the techie and their ueber geek arrogance is gone, they need to start delivering products clients want...

      Which day was this? I don't think the "uber geek" ever got what he wanted otherwise WinME, Vista and a slew of other products wouldn't have seen the light of day.

    5. Re:She's Right by itsdapead · · Score: 3, Funny

      She's right. Apple is the AOL of mp3 players and has dumbed down the interface and lowered expectations so much that people think gapless playback or album art is a major advance in the state of the art.

      Guess what: most people who buy "mp3" players want to (duh!) listen to music on them. Apple have provided a nice, clean, clear way of doing this, something which many other players (especially the cheap'n'cheerful ones) have made a complete pig's ear of (Windows Mobile, anyone?)

      Geeks don't like having to use iTunes but obviously haven't spent enough time on the Helldesk to understand that lusers aren't always very good at copying files around, or working out what drive letter their USB device has appeared on.

      Apple actually understands the difference between a general purpose computer that geeks can program and customise and a domestic appliance which "just works".

      If you buy a general purpose computer from Apple these days, it comes with a complete set of developer tools and all the Unixy command-line goodness that a geek could want (or you can just slap Linux on it). Buy an iPod, however, and, shock horror, it works like an appliance in that is a bit closed with a simple interface, for much the same reason that TVs haven't come with vertical hold and convergence knobs since sometime last century.

      gapless playback or album art is a major advance in the state of the art.

      Yeah, I know - if only all those iPod customers realised that if they'd only applied the kgpzdzi patch to their lame tarball and re-built it with --enable-no-session-margin, then added the knobwurst repositories to their apt.conf and done apt-get upgrade xine that (provided they re-ripped their CDs with the -qZpxt options to cdparanoia) they could have had these features months before the iPod.

      Plus, sadly, you only really need gapless playback for prog rock and the people who make Apple's money for them seem to prefer Britney.

      Even the Amarok player, despite being named after a prog album with a single 60-minute track, seems a bit biassed towards track-based music.

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    6. Re:She's Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then find a player that does that. You just mentioned two huge components to a music player. The files it can play and what it can sync with. The only other component is really just the actual ability to play music and the interface.

    7. Re:She's Right by 3dr · · Score: 1

      I'm a lazy remixer. I love gapless playback while on shuffle mode.

    8. Re:She's Right by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Apple actually understands the difference between a general purpose computer that geeks can program and customise and a domestic appliance which "just works".

      If you buy a general purpose computer from Apple these days, it comes with a complete set of developer tools and all the Unixy command-line goodness that a geek could want (or you can just slap Linux on it). Buy an iPod, however, and, shock horror, it works like an appliance in that is a bit closed with a simple interface, for much the same reason that TVs haven't come with vertical hold and convergence knobs since sometime last century.

      If they could they would turn computers into "appliances" as well - the only reason they can't is because people's expectations of computers haven't settled into a stable pattern yet. Anything else they can sell you - phones, music players, TV boxes, etc., they'll make much more limited, and lock 'em down so they can lock you in to their services.

      There is a difference between providing a computer device that does just one thing and does it well, and going a step further and preventing it from doing anything else. From the manufacturer's perspective there are good reasons to do this - that, however, does not mean that I have to like it.

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    9. Re:She's Right by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is why Apple is a rocket and Google with its android a dud...

      Right, Apple and Google are the only two companies in this brand new-fangled market of mobile phone technology.

    10. Re:She's Right by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Apple actually understands the difference between a general purpose computer that geeks can program and customise and a domestic appliance which "just works".

      Yet it seems to be geeks on places like here that spend most time hyping everything that Apple do...

      And let's drop the "just works". I concede that the IPOD is a nifty product, but expecting that a product works is a basic fundamental requirement, which just about all manufacturers manage (if your product isn't working, then take it back!) When we're discussing which product is best, I expect a little more product differentiation then simply just working.

      Indeed, if you want to make geeks versus normal people comparison, it seems to be geeks round here who are happy with a product just working, whilst consumers want something more. However, unfortunately as the OP says, sometimes when companies become large, they can mislead customers about expectations. I'm sure most people on Slashdot would agree with the example of Microsoft and Windows 95, how it made people think it was something new? Yet when it comes to Apple (e.g., the IPHONE and Internet access on phones being something new), it seems that many geeks have been fooled along with everyone else.

    11. Re:She's Right by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Well if you want an MP3 player with a command line, you'll need to build a better tiny keyboard. Sorry.

      Meh. I've got huge hands, and my iPod Touch's kb is just fine for CLI work.

      Not that I have too do much of it, mind.

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    12. Re:She's Right by fracai · · Score: 1

      Right that tiny component called the "interface".

      Face it, file format is insignificant. iPods support Apple Lossless and AAC and converting FLAC to either is trivial (there shouldn't be a need to transcode the OGG, just go back to the original lossless).

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    13. Re:She's Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Want to know something? Android has already outsold the iphone...

    14. Re:She's Right by powerlord · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its not so much the "day of the techie" but shifting markets.

      In some way this is similar to the way the Wii has dominated this generation of console development. It hasn't brought better graphics (barely improving on GameCube level), it bundled in a Gimmick of a controller, but what they DID was appeal to a much larger audience that normally wouldn't have even bothered buying a console.

      Buy enlarging the market, and taking all of those new users as their own, they retook the console lead.

      Likewise the market for handheld and smartphones is blossoming from "techies" and pure business users, to everyone. Techies and business users each have one set of requirements. A device that appeals to everyday users has another set. Ultimately what powers the iPhone's appeal is two things. The first is a simple and elegant interface design. When the first gen iPhone came out people were talking how it didn't have more features than other smartphones, but it made the features it had more accessible, so more people were using them. The second thing the iPhone has going for it is the App Store. The success of getting people to develop applications for the iPhone help transfor the generic device into something that can fit what each user needs. The fact that Apple acts as gatekeeper also tries to keep a consistent level of quality in the apps (even if you don't agree with their decisions about what Apps are allowed in the store).

      For android to match that, they'll need to match both things. I haven't seen the interface live but the demos I've seen look functional but slightly less "polished". The thing they can't match though is the App Store. Until they develop enough of a critical mass of programs, they won't be able to, and without some central and easy way for micropayments to happen that developers buy into, its tougher to gain the momentum.

      The other thing the iPhone has going for it is just what you said "Gapless playback and Album Art". Lots of people own an iPod. An iPhone integrates directly with their iTunes library which, for many people, is a big plus right there.

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    15. Re:She's Right by Dahan · · Score: 1

      Only in your dreams. G1 sales haven't even hit 1 million yet, although HTC expects it to reach that number by the end of the year. The 1 millionth iPhone was sold back in September 2007, and a million iPhone 3Gs were sold in its first weekend.

    16. Re:She's Right by powerlord · · Score: 1

      Umm ... the Internet access on phones certainly isn't something new and I am willing to concede that there might have been a "full browser" (Opera Mini maybe), available on a phone before the iPhone, however I am not aware of any other phone that preceded it, that had:

      - a Full browser
      - a screen you could easily rotate to landscape orientation to handle websites that expected a certain height/width ratio (even leaving aside the device automatically switching orientation)
      - touchscreen controls for "mouse-like" navigation (even if it didn't include gestures for zooming)

      Adding things like gestures to control zoom and movement around a web page, and the iPhone/Touch make web browsing as easy as possible while staying inside the "small fits in pocket/largest screen available" range. Thats one of the reasons that shortly after its release Safari numbers boomed and websites reported more hits from iPhones than other internet enabled phones.

      The iPhone certainly wasn't the first phone that had internet (I remember lots of friends with blackberries they checked and used incessantly, heck, even my old Samsung brick can browse the web), but it did offer a much easier browsing experience than people were used to getting on a phone.

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    17. Re:She's Right by Poltras · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Want to know something? Android has already outsold the iphone...

      Want to know something true and founded? Apple has outsold Windows Mobile and the HTC Touch is no where near competitive. Being Android's sole phone on the market, I'd say iPhone outsold Android. See here.

    18. Re:She's Right by prockcore · · Score: 1

      Apple outsold Windows Mobile for one quarter. There were still more Windows Mobile phones sold this year than iPhones.

    19. Re:She's Right by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      If they could they would turn computers into "appliances" as well

      Any evidence to back that assertion up and counteract all the counter-evidence, such as the inclusion in OS X of:

      • Free developer tools bundled with every Mac - not just the GNU toolchain, but the XCode IDE as well.
      • Terminal application with access to bash etc. Fantastically useful - this could easily have been left out or obfuscated, since Mac OS 9 and below never had a command-line interface as standard.
      • X11 server: means that a vast swathe of linux/unix GUI software can be easily ported to Mac. Again, Apple didn't have to do this. In fact, at 10.5 it was promoted from an optional install to standard.
      • Apache, PHP, Python, Perl as standard.

      I guess some of these are needed by other parts of the OS, but including all this if your instinct is to make a locked-down "appliance" sounds like carelessness.

      Anyway - maybe there is a market for "appliance" computers? This is effectively what Linux-based netbooks are to non-techie users, who will be stuck with the bundled apps and whatever the manufacturer offers on their "add software" menu. (Sure, its not enforced and a geek with an EEE PC will have the full Debian repository installed in a jiffy, but that is rocket science to a luser).

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    20. Re:She's Right by Golddess · · Score: 1

      Don't forget storage size.

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    21. Re:She's Right by bonch · · Score: 1

      Nobody outside of Slashdot cares about Ogg.

    22. Re:She's Right by Abreu · · Score: 1

      Apple actually understands the difference between a general purpose computer that geeks can program and customise and a domestic appliance which "just works".

      The thing is, I want a music player that shows up as a USB block device in any operating system I connect it to.

      I want to just drag and drop music files into a directory, unplug the thing and take it wherever I go.

      The ipod does not do this, so it doesn't "just work", sorry...

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    23. Re:She's Right by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      The thing is, I want a music player that shows up as a USB block device in any operating system I connect it to.

      Yeah, I had MP3 players like that.

      I ended up writing a neat little PHP script that read my MP3 files, extracted the track number and renamed the files so they started "01_", "02_", "03_" and would play in the correct order, then copied them for me.

      Cool - but do you know what? I switched to iPod/iTunes and found that it was a bloody sight easier to manage your music using iTunes and then, when you plug in your iPod, just tell it which playlists you want synced. Maybe, just maybe, people who buy iPods as music players rather than programming projects think that too.

      Now I'm off to install mpd on my Myth TV box so it can mount the MP3 directory on my server and play back music over the surround speakers while I'm controlling it via a web interface on my netbook.

      Maybe while I'm doing that, I'll listen to some tunes on my iPod... ;-)

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    24. Re:She's Right by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      True but I received mine for free so I can't complain. It serves me well enough and once it breaks then I probably will buy a non-Apple product.

    25. Re:She's Right by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      The majority's ignorance doesn't mean it's not a good format and support for ogg should be trivial since a lot of other mp3 players support it so why not add it?

      I suspect it has nothing to do with what people care about but that Apple wants to only support their own formats plus MP3 because they have to support that.

    26. Re:She's Right by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      It's way more expensive than comparable (including interface) players from other manufacturers.

    27. Re:She's Right by Abreu · · Score: 1

      I ended up writing a neat little PHP script that read my MP3 files, extracted the track number and renamed the files so they started "01_", "02_", "03_" and would play in the correct order, then copied them for me.

      Whats wrong with just adding a playlist file to the folder?

      Cool - but do you know what? I switched to iPod/iTunes and found that it was a bloody sight easier to manage your music using iTunes and then, when you plug in your iPod, just tell it which playlists you want synced. Maybe, just maybe, people who buy iPods as music players rather than programming projects think that too.

      Rrrright, and iTunes for Linux is available where? Ah, that's right, it isn't!

      So no, no ipod for me.

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    28. Re:She's Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the only people who don't like MS and Windows are geeks. No one else cares as long as they can watch porn and get they email attachments to open. Windows delivers to the same crowd as Macs except with more style and cash.

    29. Re:She's Right by XDirtypunkX · · Score: 1

      Apart from the fact that Windows Mobile has had album art and gapless playback (then again, it only had the latter if the stack and hardware was set up correctly) even before the iPhone hype existed.

      Of course, the rest of the Windows Mobile media player need a fair bit of work, but it was hardly a leading edge feature unless you came from an earlier generation iPod.

    30. Re:She's Right by XDirtypunkX · · Score: 1

      The HTC Touch Diamond, Pro and HD are very much competitive with the iPhone. I'd suggest having a look, because there are some very neat things (like the use of accelerometer gestures) in the Diamond et al that haven't gotten the hype of the iPhone.

      In fact, the iPhone still doesn't compete with Windows Mobile on smart-phone features. It only competes by having a better front end user experience and wizz-bang factor.

    31. Re:She's Right by bursch-X · · Score: 1

      You forgot ruby which is installed by default as well.

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    32. Re:She's Right by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      Google with its android a dud

      Firstly it's a bit soon to call this as the first version of Android has only recently come out, secondly Android is primarily a PLATFORM.

    33. Re:She's Right by Bedemus · · Score: 1

      Apart from the fact that Windows Mobile has had album art and gapless playback (then again, it only had the latter if the stack and hardware was set up correctly) even before the iPhone hype existed.

      Of course, the rest of the Windows Mobile media player need a fair bit of work, but it was hardly a leading edge feature unless you came from an earlier generation iPod.

      That more or less proves Apple's case, though. They got the fundamentals right first with the iPod, and added the fluff afterward. Interestingly, this is the complete opposite of what they're normally accused of doing.

    34. Re:She's Right by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      Yes, I would be pretty happy if iPod played FLAC and APE. I've got a large collection of digitized vinyl in those formats, and I'm too lazy to do a batch process to convert them to Apple Lossless.

      There is something else I think I'd like to see in the iPod. I recently bought my father a Tascam guitar trainer device. It's at heart a very sturdy metal MP3 player (1GB) with the ability to slow down or speed up a track while preserving proper pitch. It makes it easier for a musician to study a song and figure out what notes are being played. If iPod could speed or slow down playback while preserving pitch, I wouldn't have needed to get that Tascam.

  28. moderation went wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    correcting it.

  29. Cue Ron Popeil by unclejose · · Score: 0, Troll

    Cue the fan boys. Put them all in a room and let the circle jerk begin. Why doesn't Dell have a new show when a product that is overpriced and largely similar (except some wax) to other available computers? Have Micheal Dell tell use that this new processor is so wonderful in terms a 6 year old would understand. The point? Even if Steve dies, there are plenty of showmen that can take his place like Ron Popeil. Trouble is that then people would realize it is nothing but glitz, and Macs would have to be sold in pairs if you call in the next 10 minutes. Clap now fan monkeys!

  30. Re:Cue the "Jobs is dying, Apple is doomed" storie by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ...since Jobs lost significant weight as a result of his surgery (an obligatory side effect for the type of surgery he had)

    What was it? An attempted ego-ectomy? If so, I don't think it worked.

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  31. Re:Cue the "Jobs is dying, Apple is doomed" storie by Baricom · · Score: 1

    I believe a very large part of that can be blamed on Apple. When lawyers and the SEC are involved, the lack of a strong denial sounds like a confirmation. To my knowledge, Apple has never said "Steve is not sick--" they've only flirted with the question ("Steve's BP is 120/80") or avoided it ("We're not here to talk about Steve's health.")

    A simply-worded denial could dramatically tone down the questions, if that's their goal.

  32. new spokesman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rumor has it the "I'm a Mac" guy is going to do the keynote this year.

  33. Re:Cue the "Jobs is dying, Apple is doomed" storie by calstraycat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't say that I agree with you. The "large part" of the blame lies with sensationalist journalists and stock price manipulators.

    Name one other company where people demand they to go on record regarding the health of the CEO when some band of journalists decides to perform an amateur medical diagnosis based on photographs and videos.

    Senator Bill Frist was rightly admonished for performing a "video diagnosis" of Terri Schiavo...and he has a medical school degree. Why should Apple respond when a bunch of blowhards with no medical training whatsoever do the same thing with Steve Jobs?

    The board is required to divulge information about his health if it affects his ability to do his job. They are under no obligation to respond to nutjobs and market makers.

  34. The fanboys don't matter any more by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apple doesn't need Macworld because Apple doesn't need fanboys any more.

    The Apple fanboy crowd is totally irrelevant to the iPod/iPhone line - those are mass-market consumer products. The laptop product line is aimed more at the status-conscious crowd. Neither market is the Macworld demographic.

    1. Re:The fanboys don't matter any more by rothic · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't need Macworld because Apple doesn't need fanboys any more.

      Hell yeah! You gotta ride a horse until it's dead, and then you eat it.

    2. Re:The fanboys don't matter any more by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      We have seen what happened to "Fanboys" when Windows 95 shipped. They all abandoned the ship and real Apple users, mostly professional market kept Apple alive.

      If Apple is happy with Web 2.0 junk out there already rumouring SJobs is dead/dying and hurting their stock price, let them be.

  35. Didn't you hear? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He has cancer.

  36. You don't get it... by berend+botje · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Consumer electronics are never seen for its technical merits. It is all about user interface, always has.

    What good is having the latest tech where you have to dig it out a seven-level-deep menu structure to use it? Having a clean, simple interface is the key to succes.

    And I'm not a Machead by a long shot, either.

    1. Re:You don't get it... by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      Have to agree here.. making something easy to use, and work with is key. We've seen this over and over again. Google is another perfect example. Other webmail services do more. Other search engines have more of a portal. But simplicity, and ease of use win out in the end. Hell, look at twitter.

      I don't always prefer it myself, but the message is clearly there, don't over-complicate the use of an item.

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  38. It's a gong show by Sentry21 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm going to guess that Apple is backing out of Macworld SF because it's so poorly run that no one wants to go. $20k for a table? sure. five 30" Cinema displays 'go missing' from the loading dock? sorry, not our fault, not our problem. Need a new outlet? You have to hire one of our electricians. How many hours do you want him for? oh, we don't know how long it'll take, you have to figure that out yourself.

    The company that runs Macworld runs it half-assed, they don't care about attendees because they know they're the only game in town and people will pay regardless, and they don't care about vendors, because again, you need the exposure or your competitor is going to get it first.

    If we're lucky, Macworld will die off and be replaced with something better.

    1. Re:It's a gong show by InsurrctionConsltant · · Score: 1
    2. Re:It's a gong show by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      If we're lucky, Macworld will die off and be replaced with something better.

      Yeah, the Internet. MacNN is more useful than MacWorld Expo.

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    3. Re:It's a gong show by Sentry21 · · Score: 1

      Nope, but I was typing on my iPhone and couldn't be bothered to try to manage a link. Typing HTML on the iPhone's keyboard on a bumpy bus is an exercise in futility.

    4. Re:It's a gong show by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      I'm going to guess that Apple is backing out of Macworld SF because it's so poorly run that no one wants to go. $20k for a table? sure. five 30" Cinema displays 'go missing' from the loading dock? sorry, not our fault, not our problem. Need a new outlet? You have to hire one of our electricians. How many hours do you want him for? oh, we don't know how long it'll take, you have to figure that out yourself.

      Poorly-run it may be. But though the booth pricing sounds like IDG World Expo's (the company that runs MacWorld Expo) fault, the rest should probably be chalked up to Moscone Center, which is heavily unionized. I have non-union friends who do A/V for trade shows and the like, and when they work at Moscone they're not even allowed to load their own equipment in/out, much less plug it in.

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  39. Good Riddance by itsybitsy · · Score: 0, Troll

    I've been a mac fan since the very first Mac and an apple fan since the Apple ][. I sold apple computers for years. I was a NeXT developer. I've got two macs now.

    Good bye Steve. I hope that you have a few years left but get the heck out of Apple please.

    Apple could have crushed Microsoft by selling MacOSX for generic PCs when Microcrap was down on their luck with Vista! Now with Windows 7 promising to be better than Vista (aka Windows 98) Apple has missed the boat.

    Get out and enjoy a few years of retirement Steve, assuming that you have that long.

    1. Re:Good Riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Vista == Win98, that means that Windows 7 will be WinME...

      and that's supposed to be better how?

    2. Re:Good Riddance by itsybitsy · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying it's better. I'm just saying that Apple has missed an opportunity to crush microsoft during the vista debacle. Apple could have captured a significant portion of the Software Only OS Market Share landscape away from MicroCrap.

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  40. Re:Cue the "Jobs is dying, Apple is doomed" storie by calstraycat · · Score: 1

    Lawyers and the SEC? I've heard nothing of lawyers or the SEC demanding information regarding the CEO's health.

    The only people speculating and demanding disclosure are blowhard journalists and stock market manipulators. The basis for their "concern" is purely from an ignorant and amateur medical diagnosis based on pictures and video.

    Hell, Senator Bill Frist was rightly admonished for performing a video diagnosis of Terri Shiavo and he has a medical school degree.

    Why the hell should Apple's board respond to a bunch of chicken-little wankers in the tech and financial press?

    Frankly, I admire Apple for not feeding the trolls.

  41. Steve Jobs is Apple brand name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not surprised I've only seen Steve Jobs give postive news.

    Steve jobs is an Apple Brand name. Something they have to protect so that people will buy apple products.

    With the way the world economy is I imagine the message will be one of tighting belts and consolidating product lines.

    Why soil your brand name ? This is also not good PR and doesn't make people want to invest in your company.

    thats why you have underlings.......

  42. Alternate explanation by liegeofmelkor · · Score: 1

    Given Jobs' track record as a completely ruthless businessman, I'd guess someone on the Expo side of things stepped out of line. Don't want to do things Jobs' way? Fine, Jobs is outta here.

    1. Re:Alternate explanation by peterd11 · · Score: 1

      You could be right, given this Business Week story: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2008/12/steve_jobs_will.html?campaign_id=rss_blog_byteoftheapple IDG basically pre-announced Steve Jobs giving the keynote, and that kind of behavior has always resulted in retaliation by Steve Jobs.

  43. The Inetbook by johnsie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    no doubt next year will be the year of the Inetbook. A little white netbook that everyone can carry around with them. Oh wait they already exist as eeepc's et al, but this will be the first one with MacOS and will be super trendy. They will revolutionise portable computing

    1. Re:The Inetbook by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Actually, Apple has very good underpinnings for a killer netbooks: OS X. The existing netbooks either run Linux (which works alright, but app extensibility for your average non-geek is dismal, and the UI is far from perfect) or WinXP (apps are there, but UI is totally unsuited for an ultra-portable). Meanwhile, existing OS X interface will fit right in on a smallish screen, and single mouse button legacy will make sure that it'll place nice with touchscreen, especially with all the touch improvements Apple already did for the iPhone (and yes, I bet it'll have a touchscreen). And if they stick to desktop OS X, this means the apps are all there, including stuff like MSOffice...

  44. Oh, what does some wuss Fortune blogger know? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 3, Funny

    He's "an Apple executive notably lacking in Jobs's showmanship and star power," according to the Fortune blogger.

    Nonsense! Behold and rejoice! The era of Schillermania begins! Phil! Phil! Phil! Phil! Phil! Woooooooooot!

  45. Oh God No! by confused+one · · Score: 1

    Is that a crack in the RDF? We're doomed. DOOMED I say.

    1. Re:Oh God No! by tg123 · · Score: 1

      Is that a crack in the RDF? We're doomed. DOOMED I say.

      Very funny never heard of that term for steve before.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field

      The RDF is cracking captain I canna hold it much longer.....

    2. Re:Oh God No! by confused+one · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point. I'm being droll and sarcastic. I'm well aware of where the term originates (going way back to the original Apple II days) People hang on to what that man says and what that company does waaayyyy too much.

  46. First touch screen? by Monx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... iPhone brought in the first touch screen, and now everybody and I mean everybody is coming out with touch screens ...

    Are you serious? I have had nothing but touch screen phones since 2001.

    1. VisorPhone
    2. Samsung SPH-I300
    3. Samsung SPH-I330
    4. Treo 600
    5. Treo 650p

    The models I used actually started out as pure touch screen and then added keyboards (retaining the touch screen) because you can type faster with buttons (and the Xerox graffiti lawsuit). You can also touch-type with buttons.

    The iPhone has nothing really new except that it was marketed to everyone and not just PDA users. Suddenly smartphones are "cool" because Apple makes one. That's fine.

    I've been a Mac user for over 20 years. I'm typing this on a Mac. I'm glad Apple is doing well.

    I'm also glad that people still make real smartphones like Treos, because I am a PDA user and I refuse to give up meaningful features for marketing fluff and looks. My four-year-old Treo model has many, many features that the iPhone lacks, including multimedia features like stereo bluetooth support and over a decade's worth of third-party software available directly from the people who developed it.

    1. Re:First touch screen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for saying this. It's amazing how many people think the iPhone is the first phone with a touch screen.

    2. Re:First touch screen? by yabos · · Score: 1

      Apple wasn't the first to come out with a touch screen phone, but you can't deny the effect the iPhone has had on other phones. Now touch screens are becoming more popular with consumers. Before the iPhone it wasn't very popular. That is in North America at least. I've never been to Japan which is always light years ahead.

    3. Re:First touch screen? by Tetsujin · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm also glad that people still make real smartphones like Treos, because I am a PDA user and I refuse to give up meaningful features for marketing fluff and looks. My four-year-old Treo model has many, many features that the iPhone lacks, including multimedia features like stereo bluetooth support and over a decade's worth of third-party software available directly from the people who developed it.

      I'm with you there - except that Palm dropped the ball on PalmOS in a major way. For instance, the version of PalmOS installed on the Treo 650 has a fun little bug - where if the device crashes while a database is open, the database ceases to exist. This is a known bug, they even fixed it - but they couldn't be bothered to issue a patch for the people stuck with this problem... PalmOS in general is in a sorry state these days. And most everything still runs on the PACE M68K emulation layer, which is really just sad...

      I guess in terms of credit where credit's due for the iPhone:
      Moving away from stylus operation of the touchscreen was in many ways a good idea... You don't get the fine control that you would with a stylus, but on the flip side, that means that interfaces are designed such that you generally don't need one... In a sense this is an improvement upon the Palm devices' design philosophy of making the most of the limitations of a device given how people have to interact with it. Bringing multi-touch, accelerometers, and gesture-based UI was perhaps long overdue...

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    4. Re:First touch screen? by tgibbs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple was hardly the first to use a touch screen, any more than they were the first to use a mouse or a windows operating system.

      They did the same thing in all three cases--figured out how to make it usable and consistent.

      Look at all of the reviews of the iPhone wannabees. In the end, after pointing out all of the extra features, the reviewer ends up conceding, "nevertheless, the touch screen interface does not work as smoothly or as intuitively as the iPhone's."

    5. Re:First touch screen? by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      ... and the Xerox graffiti lawsuit ...

      AFAIK, that's not one of the reasons for the touch-screen. The lawsuit prompted the development of Graffiti 2, which, IMHO, is better than the original. (Among other things, you can write all letters in lower-case. The original Graffiti forced an odd mix of upper- and lower-case.)

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    6. Re:First touch screen? by stokessd · · Score: 1

      The first capacitive touch screen that doesn't use a little plastic stick. Touch screen that works well...etc

      I say this having owned a slew of palm and handspring products.

      Sheldon

    7. Re:First touch screen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I own a Treo 650p as well. Certainly has its limitations. I decided I'd give the Storm a try. I'd like something with updated hardware and Google Calendar compatibility. I was so bummed at all the things I would NOT be able to do with the Storm that my aging Treo supported that I sent the Storm back. I'm holding out for Android on Verizon. If Verizon screws that up, I'll switch.

    8. Re:First touch screen? by Monx · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Android is the first thing I've seen to tempt me away from my Treo. It's a shame Palm dropped the ball. If they'd kept developing, today's Treos would be years ahead of the competition. The 650 is only missing WIFI and a publicly accessible implementation of the GPS api (damn you, Sprint!).

  47. I don't think you understand by mario_grgic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By saying that you show that you completely misunderstand the mindset of the Apple customer.

    People that buy Apple products are not concerned with motherboards, chipsets, memory speed, CPU or other technical details so much (except perhaps MacPro buyers, esp. if they come from PC background).

    People that care about that build their own PCs (I have certainly).

    People who buy Apple want their computer to be transparent, they don't want to tinker with it endlessly (like that guy fixing old cars in his garage and never having it actually working, he just enjoys tinkering - kind of like Linux people early on).

    If you say macbook is just like any other laptop then you don't get it. Look at any other laptop and just look at the level of "noise" on the keyboard designs these days. Find me one keyboard that doesn't scream at you with 5 things written on each keyboard with different colored letters, keys non-standard width or position etc.

    That's just one detail, and then look at the beauty of simplicity of classical Macbook keyboard. It just disappears, and doesn't scream at you.

    Macbook aluminum case feels so solid and sturdy, better than any other laptop I have ever held. And it does not have things written on it all over the place (certainly not stupid metal labels like Intel Inside or built for Vista), or things glued to it at the bottom containing certain product key.

    The computer is sophisticated and simple, understated like luxury European sedan (think BMW, a lot of people don't get that one either, that's why you see idiots that put chrome wheels, and fart exhausts on their BMW).

    And then we get to other soft things like the OS. That one is a topic on its own, but the joy of using OS X would be worth it to me even without these other things.

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    1. Re:I don't think you understand by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      You haven't used a ThinkPad apparently.
      The T series just blows MacBook away in rigidity and quality of the keyboard. Though I have not used a Lenovo version.

    2. Re:I don't think you understand by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Oh and about comparing MacBook to BMW? Are you joking? It's more like a pink VW Bug(the new version).

    3. Re:I don't think you understand by castironpigeon · · Score: 1

      Wow. When you put it that way, it really almost makes me want to shell out twice as much to buy an Apple product as it would to buy any other comparable product.

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    4. Re:I don't think you understand by mario_grgic · · Score: 1

      I have actually for a few years.

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    5. Re:I don't think you understand by mario_grgic · · Score: 1

      That's exactly my point. There is no comparable product.

      If all you care about is the CPU speed, more memory, etc, all wrapped in a shitty plastic case with horrible keyboard and aesthetics then yes, you can buy/build one for half the price.

      If you want the complete package, solid performance and amazing OS to boot, then to me Apple is currently the only choice.

      I would buy Apple laptop even if I were to run Linux or God forbid Windows on it.
       

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    6. Re:I don't think you understand by castironpigeon · · Score: 1

      There's two kinds of products to consider: those you can build and those you can't.

      The products you can build, desktops, can be built to far higher standards by doing it yourself. You can buy the sturdiest, most aesthetically pleasing case and fill it with any product you see fit and I guarantee that it will cost less than buying it outfitted similarly from Apple (or Dell, or HP, or anyone else). So the solution to have it all in that case is to do it yourself provided you have a bit of technical know-how and the patience to do the job.

      Then there's the products you can't build: music players, laptops and the like. You're stuck on these. You can have a technically robust product, an aesthetically pleasing product, or a cheap product. Pick 2 out of 3. And remember... if you pick wrong you'll be paying for it, literally.

      The only things Apple really has going for it are good marketing and a following whose dedication would rival many religious cults. I currently work with both Apples and PCs. I've provided tech support for both in the past. I even got an iPod Nano so I can safely compare between it and the Creative Zen I currently own. I can't say any of those Apple products had anything that made them stand out and I still prefer the PC alternatives (or the off-brand alternatives as the case may be). Maybe I'm just a cheapskate. I can understand the mindset that Apple caters to, but I think it's unfortunate that Apple has carved out a niche for itself by overwhelming its customers with flashy marketing and blinding them to the alternatives. It really makes them no different from Microsoft who makes their own customers think there are no alternatives, just for different reasons.

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    7. Re:I don't think you understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a moron.

    8. Re:I don't think you understand by treeves · · Score: 1

      "...Apple has carved out a niche for itself by overwhelming its customers with flashy marketing and blinding them to the alternatives."

      Can you tell me by what means has Apple "blinded" people to alternatives? I'm sure if they could do that, they would (as would any company in its right mind), but how is it even possible? Just a bit hyperbolic on your part?

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    9. Re:I don't think you understand by toddestan · · Score: 1

      If you say macbook is just like any other laptop then you don't get it. Look at any other laptop and just look at the level of "noise" on the keyboard designs these days. Find me one keyboard that doesn't scream at you with 5 things written on each keyboard with different colored letters, keys non-standard width or position etc.

      That's just one detail, and then look at the beauty of simplicity of classical Macbook keyboard. It just disappears, and doesn't scream at you.

      What are you talking about? The MacBook keyboard is terrible. First of all, you have those chiclet style keys, which make typing anything of significant length a chore. Secondly, they have been screwing with the sizes and layout, for example, you have that really weird looking Enter/Return key, and the arrow keys are really small for some reason, and they removed the right hand Control key. They also make the function keys do other things, and you have to press the Fn key to get regular F1-F12 back. They also decided not to group the function keys which makes it hard to press the right one without looking (granted, most over laptops are the same way, and Apple's desktop keyboards don't do this either). They also made the keyboard white for some reason, which also means it's going to show dirt and stain easily. Also, while not an issue with the Macbook, they could include a numeric keypad on their larger Macbook Pros instead of all that wasted space on both sides of the keyboard.

      If you want a good keyboard on a laptop, you really don't have any choice other than a Thinkpad, where the layout is as close as possible to a standard keyboard, the feel is great, and the keyboard is actually engineered to last a while. I'll admit most other PC laptop keyboards are pretty crappy and crowded with a lot of useless keys and other bling, so in comparison to those the Macbook's keyboard maybe isn't so bad.

  48. Does that mean... by jandersen · · Score: 2, Funny

    that people going to MacWorld will be without Jobs?

  49. Pancreatic cancer the worst there is by l2b · · Score: 0

    Just check out the pancreatic cancer survival stats. It's something like 10% survival one year after diagnosis, 4% five years afrer diagnosis. Detection almost always at latter stages when surgery not an option. Very nasty and fast cancer.

    Jobs has classic symptoms - wasting away, losing weight.

    My own father perished five weeks after diagnosis (stage iv). My father in law died nine months after diagnosis (stage ii).

  50. business plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple has always played the game of:-

    (a) Create a rumour of some new product they're developing
    (b) vehemently deny the rumour
    (c) confirm the rumour as being true all along at a keynote.
    (d) profit!

    so, judging by current events:-

    (a) get everyone assuming that Jobs will give a keynote
    (b) tell everyone that Jobs won't be at the keynote
    (c) at Macworld, Jobs makes an appearance!
    (d) profit! (from the increase in Apple stock price)

  51. What the dickens? by ciaohound · · Score: 1

    It was the best of puns, it was the worst of puns.

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  52. Nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Am I the only one that finds it hillarious about how seriously these expos are taken by fanboys? It is just a computer, phone or whatever. This is just plain goofy. nerds.

    1. Re:Nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL. You came to a forum named Slashdot, read the summary, and enough of the responses to form that opinion. And then called people nerds for it. What are you, 12 years old? :)

      The WoW forums are ----> that way. Nerd.

  53. What's good about trade shows.... by twasserman · · Score: 4, Interesting
    When I was a vendor back in the Dark Ages of the 20th century, I had very mixed feelings about trade shows. It took a lot of people, time, and money to prepare for a show and then be present for the duration. Most of the people who came by our booth were tire-kickers at best, and we developed the theory that anyone who took our giveaway (candy, etc.) first wasn't really a prospect. On the plus side, we came away from almost every show with enough good leads to justify our expenses. Our marketing and sales guys would screen the leads and follow up with the best prospects. A few of our bigger customers would never have found us had we not shown up at these shows.

    With so much information available online, and with the ability to purchase things with just a few mouse clicks, why would I go to such a trade show today? For me, that's easy.

    • It's a great way to discover new companies and products, often hiding in the corner of the show floor or as an adjunct to a larger vendor.
    • It's often valuable to get your hands on a product to see if it is well made and usable. I recently went through a lot of hassle with Dell when I bought and subsequently returned the Inspiron Mini 9 (Ubuntu version) because of the tiny and unusable keyboard.
    • If you expect that the product you are seeking will be critical to your business over time, it's valuable to build a relationship with the vendor. A major trade show is often the best chance to meet their senior people and decide if you want to invite them to make a sales call.

    So I will once again show up at Macworld SF and will hope that IDC will find it profitable to continue running the show. That gives companies the chance to show their stuff rather than struggling to get their product stocked and displayed by the Apple retail store or other merchants (who show only a tiny percentage of what's available out there). I'm likely to show up at future Macworlds, too, since my purpose for attending isn't to see Apple's products, but to see everything else.

  54. Re:iPod, iPhone, then iBall. by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    You should try using some of those products. Yes, the iPod doesn't make coffee, but your coffee maker doesn't play music. If you want coffee, don't buy an iPod.

    So... If I like coffee then I wouldn't like an iPod? That's good to know. Thanks!

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  55. Preventing hackers? by korean.ian · · Score: 1

    There is a difference between providing a computer device that does just one thing and does it well, and going a step further and preventing it from doing anything else. From the manufacturer's perspective there are good reasons to do this - that, however, does not mean that I have to like it.

    Has apple really "prevented" people who like to hack from altering their iPod Touch and iPhone? I would argue that they have not. If you have the desire to do so, it is incredibly easy to jailbreak your iPoT/iPhone. Yes, there have been some firmware updates which negate those jailbreaks, but apple have offered increased functionality with those firmware updates, and don't seem to be doing it out of malice.
    To the best of my knowledge none of the people doing the hacking have been slapped with a C&D notice. None of the sites that revolve around the hacked ecosystem have been threatened with legal notices. None of the people owning a hacked device have been sued.

    So it seems to me that Apple have created devices that are easy to use out of the box, and are also able to go a step further; provided the owner of the device is willing to assume the risk that taking that extra step entails (and as a quick aside, if one ever happens to wreck their machine via hacked software, it is trivial to restore the machine to its original state using iTunes).

    1. Re:Preventing hackers? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Wasn't there the small matter of some iPhones getting bricked?

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    2. Re:Preventing hackers? by bursch-X · · Score: 1

      If you fuck with the firmware of any device you are asking for the device getting bricked. Now, are you demanding from Apple to make sure their updates don't break iPhones that got hacked in any conceivable way?

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    3. Re:Preventing hackers? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      If you fuck with the firmware of any device you are asking for the device getting bricked. Now, are you demanding from Apple to make sure their updates don't break iPhones that got hacked in any conceivable way?

      I agree with that, to some extent - a good analogy is when the release of DS Wi-Fi titles bricked Nintendo DSes that had been flashed with old versions of FlashMe. That's fair, you hack the device, you take the risk.

      You can't have it both ways, is all. If you go up the thread a few steps, I was replying to the claim that Apple has done nothing to lock down the iPhone, since it's so easy to hack the firmware. But Apple is happy to have everyone know that if you do this, you run the risk of ruining your device. Thus, there's a technical restriction in place (the framework of the stock firmware) which impedes people from hacking the iPhone, and then there's the FUD layer introduced by "oops, your phone is ruined by the software update we just pushed out, and it's your fault". Two separate approaches to stopping people from hacking their hardware - one technical, one psychological. Even combined, of course, they're not entirely successful - but Apple has done what it can (and continues to do what it can) to prevent people from gaining access to their hardware.

      Even if you don't take the dangers associated with jailbreaking an iPhone into account, one cannot say that Apple has done nothing to prevent people from hacking the iPhone - because there were certain challenges that had to be met in order to solve the jailbreak problem in the first place (and again, each time Apple patches the firmware to stop jailbreaks)... The fact that they can make people worry about the dangers of jailbreaking (dangers Apple introduced themselves, by creating the situation in which a jailbreak was necessary in order to take control of the device) is just one more way they work to impede that and retain control over the platform.

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  56. goatroll by Tetsujin · · Score: 2, Funny

    What if someone took a video of a goatse-style feat, and edited it to make it effectively lip-sync "Never Gonna Give You Up"? Best of both worlds?

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  57. Look for Apple at CEDIA by dustbunny26 · · Score: 1

    Look for Apple at the CEDIA (Custom Electronic Design and Installation) show. They're going to move into home entertainment in a huge way....

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  58. ha by revxul · · Score: 1

    Your lord has forsaken you. Please drink the kool-aid.

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  59. What the iPod did better: long scrolling by snowwrestler · · Score: 1

    The iPod allowed the navigation of very long lists better than any other MP3 product on the market. It's a combination of hardware and software. The scroll wheel allows you to continuously scroll without lifting your finger, while still controlling the rate. And, the software scrolls faster the faster you scroll (there is a non-linear relationship between the motion of your finger and the rate of scroll). This made it possible to quickly jump to what you want, even on a device holding thousands of songs.

    On the iPhone and the iTouch the "flick scrolling" is not just a cool thing. It's essential because it provides the same capability of navigating long lists quickly and precisely. If you look back at the design patents filed during the development of the iPhone, you can see that they experimented with on-screen scroll wheels. Long scrolling is very important to the usability of handhelds.

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  60. Makes sense from Apple's perspective by tgibbs · · Score: 1

    I think that Macworld is a victim of Apple's success and diversification. Basically, Apple has broken out--it is no longer a company that makes cult computers, in fact, it is no longer just a computer company, so a specialized show just for Macs sends the wrong message.

    Moreover, the Macworld keynote had come to be perceived as critical--if Apple didn't announce a major product or upgrade at the keynote, their stock took a hit. But Apple no longer needs Macworld for exposure. Apple is now big enough that now get major press coverage for their solo marketing events, with timing selected by Apple instead of being tied to an event that they do not control.

  61. You still don't get it! by earlymon · · Score: 1

    First, there will be no Cyborg Steve.

    There will, however, be an iBorg Steve.

    Second, you have just opened yourself up to Apple's legal muscle by letting the iCat out of the iBag regarding the iBorg. Are you iNsane?!?

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  62. What about radio? by DesScorp · · Score: 0, Troll

    The only thing the iPod is really lacking is the ability to play more file types (ie ogg) and the ability to something other than iTunes without having to worry about something breaking.

    For me, it's the simple act of leaving out an FM radio that has prevented me from buying an iPod. Virtually every other competitor includes one, and it boggles my mind why most iPods haven't had them from the start. It's not like including a radio adds to the expense or makes the unit bulkier. My Sandisk Sansa has one, and is no bigger than comparible iPods. Lots of people still listen to the radio, you know. Yes, I know you can buy add-on equipment to give it radio capability, but you shouldn't have to.

    Maybe Steve just doesn't find radio fashionable.

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    1. Re:What about radio? by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      The iPod had always been feature conservative, for very good reason. First all, if there is even one feature of the iPod that feels like a poorly coded, highly buggy, after-thought (the vast majority of MP3 players have at least one such feature), it reflects very poorly on the device as a whole.

      Second, it is critically important to Apple that the device be highly intuitive to use, such that even people who almost never have used an electronic device before can just pick it up and use it. While they may not quite have reached that goal, they have done better than many other MP3 players in that respect. Creating an interface for the radio that is as intuitive as the rest of the iPod is actually fairly difficult. Combine that with the fact that too many features can cause confusion to the average person.

      Apple really cannot takes risks with the iPod brand. Virtually all other mp3 player brands have included at least one model that was an absolute lemon. For example, you mention your Sansa player. Which model? Some Sansa players are all but complete garbage, where as others are very good. Just saying "Sansa" gives no indication of the quality of the particular device. Saying iPod on the other hand, gives a great deal more information about the quality of the device.

      Always keep in mind that the target demographic of the iPod is not the Readers of Slashdot, but an average person (Joe Sixpack, anybody?). The members of this demographic rarely have more than around six major pieces of software that they use with any real frequency on a PC. (Web browser, Office Suite, Acrobat Reader, one or two occupation related software tools, and one or two computer games, and perhaps some form of Media Player).

      They required special training in Microsoft Office, and honestly don't know how to search through the program to find some feature that they know must be there but have never learned.

      That is an honest an accurate portrayal of the average American anyway, and surprisingly I've found that the application count portion even applies to the average college student at even some of the better Universities. (Obviously it can very by major. I'd be very surprised If a CS major did not use more applications on a regular basis).

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    2. Re:What about radio? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      I didn't think anyone actually listened to the radio any more.

      For me personally I suppose it would be nice to listen to talk radio on my iPod but for music I've always hated the radio. There's too much repetition and I hate the lack of control over what you listen to.

  63. Why the Zune is superior by DesScorp · · Score: 0

    That is why the technically superior Zune was such a hit!

    Nah, it's because Barack Obama uses them.

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  64. More recession problems? by Ken_g6 · · Score: 1

    I heard the recession was costing us lots of Jobs, but this is ridiculous!

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  65. On Jobs' cancer... by DesScorp · · Score: 1

    Just check out the pancreatic cancer survival stats. It's something like 10% survival one year after diagnosis, 4% five years afrer diagnosis. Detection almost always at latter stages when surgery not an option. Very nasty and fast cancer.

    Jobs has classic symptoms - wasting away, losing weight.

    My own father perished five weeks after diagnosis (stage iv). My father in law died nine months after diagnosis (stage ii).

    There are basically two kinds of pancreatic cancer, one with an almost 95 percent morbidity rate, and one that's very curable, but much more rare. Unless Jobs has been lying all these years (and it's been several years since the surgery), he had the lesser cancer. When he was first diagnosed, he was told to go home and get his things in order. Then the refined diagnosis came in, and showed that he had the survivable type. Supposedly, one of the technicians running the test wept with relief and happiness for Jobs. Guess he was an Apple user.

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  66. Its cancer by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

    I know that everyone is saying Steve Jobs is fine, but there are some things to think about:

    (1) Steve Jobs is an egotist.
    (2) The only thing Steve Jobs loves more than Apple is the sound of his own voice talking about Apple.
    (3) There is no "cure" for cancer. There are only methods for the removal or killing of cancerous cells.

    I don't care what the "business" mumbo jumbo given is, for Steve Jobs to miss out on the chance to be on-stage and suck up the mac fanboi adulation, he's got to be very sick.

    1. Re:Its cancer by srn_test · · Score: 1

      I'd love to know what the distinction between a "cure" and "removal or killing of cancerous cells" is. If you get all the cells, which is often not as hard as you'd think, that seems to me like a cure.

      The trick is that it's not clear for years which was achieved.

    2. Re:Its cancer by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

      I'd love to know what the distinction between a "cure" and "removal or killing of cancerous cells" is. If you get all the cells, which is often not as hard as you'd think, that seems to me like a cure.

      This is a sensitive subject for some, so I'd like to say at the beginning that this is an observation. I lost my father to lung cancer, my niece had/has thyroid cancer. I did a little thinking about it all.

      A "cure" (to me) means that you fix the initial problem and the body can then finish the job and heal with no chance of spontaneous relapse. Cancer treatment consists of killing every cell that will die under chemotherapy and/or radiation and hoping that it was enough and hoping that the body can recover.

      There is a difference but it is difficult to articulate clearly.

    3. Re:Its cancer by srn_test · · Score: 1

      I think I see what you're saying - but the thing is that it's exactly as you say - except that it takes years to know if the cure worked. If it did, then the body will fix itself etc. If it didn't, then it's not good.

      And having that long waiting period is very draining for everyone, something I'm very aware of.

    4. Re:Its cancer by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

      I think I see what you're saying - but the thing is that it's exactly as you say - except that it takes years to know if the cure worked. If it did, then the body will fix itself etc. If it didn't, then it's not good.

      One more aspect of "cure" vs "treatment" (again, IMHO) is an ability to deterministically state "cured" based on a solid metric, not merely "Well, its been a while, it looks like it is gone."

  67. There's more than iTunes by berend+botje · · Score: 1

    I use Rhythmbox for loading up my iPod. Banshee is good too. And I'm sure there are many other programs.

    Alas, for the iPod Touch you can only use iTunes as the encryption isn't broken yet (that I know of).

    Hey Apple, I would buy a Touch today if I could use with Ubuntu!

    Oh, and iTunes doesn't work with Wine either, the installer crashes.

    1. Re:There's more than iTunes by Nursie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not just the touch, amarok screwed up a friend's new-gen nano in the same way. No crypto signing on the index or some such thing. Apple seem to have gone out of their way to screw non iTunes users in the latest generation.

  68. Apple idiot followers. by a1z26b2y25 · · Score: 1

    Dare I say they act just like the numerous cults out there. They make a lot of noise, but just have no real karma. "What is it with all these negative vibes man...."

  69. Re:Cue the "Jobs is dying, Apple is doomed" storie by Baricom · · Score: 1

    Name one other company where people demand they to go on record regarding the health of the CEO when some band of journalists decides to perform an amateur medical diagnosis based on photographs and videos.

    I can't, but I can't think of another company where the CEO plays as influential a role in public perception of the company as Steve Jobs.

    The board is required to divulge information about his health if it affects his ability to do his job. They are under no obligation to respond to nutjobs and market makers.

    You're absolutely right that Apple's under no obligation to respond. What I said is that the simplest way to silence the "nutjobs" is a strongly-worded denial.

  70. Touch !=Multi-touch. by Neurotic+Nomad · · Score: 1
    Touch !=Multi-touch.

    When the Slashdot crowd can't make the distinction, what chance does Joe Consumer?

    The difference between a touchscreen and multitouch screen is what make the iPhone's (once-)unique method of implementing its OS features possible.

    You may think that "touch is touch is touch, it's all the same" (Not YOU in particular, as I don't know you or what you think, but you the straw-man I'm railing against), but a swipe gesture with a finger is not the same as a swipe gesture with a stylus, no matter what your Slashdot reading self may think.

    Because of the iPhone, the method of interacting with the feature-set of one's smartphone has changed on all phones.

    Apple's total method has defined the rules of multi-touch Phone UI, and Apple defined having a multi-touch capable screen as what it is to BE a "touch screen phone".

    If Joe Consumer hears "touch-screen", it better do what the iPhone's screen does.

  71. Re: Use a pun, go to jail by Douglas+Goodall · · Score: 1

    Or the punitentury