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Steve Jobs Issues Update On His Health
i4u writes "Rumors about Steve Jobs' health have been flying high again after Apple announced that he will not be holding the keynote at the Macworld 2009. Today Steve Jobs issued a letter with a rather personal update on why he was losing weight in 2008. The reason for losing weight in 2008 is a hormone imbalance that has been reducing proteins. The remedy for this nutritional problem is relatively simple and straightforward according to Jobs.
Steve and his doctors predict that he will have normal weight again by Spring. So stop the rumors and enjoy Macworld 2009."
If anime has taught me anything, Steve Jobs should be back to work in no time with a huge rack.
from the can't-believe-this-is-news dept
When many people believe that the continued success of a large company depends on one individual, his health becomes news.
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why is not Ballmer loosing weight despite of being unable to sit down anywhere?
I don't think Steve is the only one resolving to be "back to normal weight" by spring.
"stop the Tumors."
There, fixed that for ya...
.... How does this influence the strength of the Reality Distortion Field??
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
The big question is, which Steve will be commemorated by the U.S. Postal Service on a stamp? The younger, chubbier Steve or the older, skinnier, playing-in-Vegas Steve. If only there was a precedent...
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
When he said in his letter that it's a "nutritional problem," I couldn't help but wonder whether it was the result of some nutty diet.
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Patrick Volkerding laughs at Jobs' silly medical problems.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
Start living the high life! You'll do fine!
It's left blank because I have nothing to say to you punks!
How do I *get* this hormone imbalance?
Believe me, I'm as surprised by my comment as you are.
Being that he had pancreatic cancer, he's probably on a special diet. A fatty diet causes a pancreas much grief.
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Seriously, why does someone issue a letter that says, "no, really I am healthy." He is a very wealthy man, surely he can avoid the sorts of doctors that would be able to be able to figure out his problem.
...perhaps he'll demo the iVagina?
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Secretly replace Steve Jobs' coke with heroin.
There, fixed that for you.
I guess Jobs should have eaten an apple a day to keep the doctor away.
I'm a satanic clam.
Reading between the lines on the 'hormone imbalance' and weight loss, and not a stemming but a rapid regain of lost weight (by late Spring), it seems what Steve isn't saying here is that the doctors have put him on a Steroid (testosterone) supplement (testosterone replacement therapy) to put on weight.
Is there another underlying issue for the weight loss, or is Steve just becoming an old man (with the loss in testosterone that goes with it)? Who knows.
But I, for one, look forward to the new roid inspired designs yet to come from Apple.
If his weight had been too tight, he would be loosening, not loosing, it.
"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something" - Plato
Slashdotter venom? *shudder* Thank you for putting such an image in my head. Now I have to go and get my mind rinsed out with beer.
And another one, especially for you:
You loosen something that is too tight. You let loose the hounds. You never "loose" anything.
"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something" - Plato
Being that he had pancreatic cancer, he's probably on a special diet. A fatty diet causes a pancreas much grief.
What is the justification for the second sentence? A healthy, high-fat diet (which, for the same number of total calories, will have to be lower in carbs) will demand less insulin of the pancreas.
I don't follow this stuff, but if he had/has pancreatic cancer, my guess is he is dying. Pancreatic cancer is a bitch, I've seen two people die from it. I had an old boss who went from 200 lbs over weight to looking anorexic and managed to fight it for a couple years. I think by going on a some experimental special diet, but it still destroyed him. I haven't heard of anyone getting better from pancreatic cancer.
dad?
Don't you mean "father"?
"male parental unit" would be acceptable too.
So much for an Apple a day keeping the doctor away.
I just want to update everyone on my weight. I lost a few pounds when I got sick recently. Well, that or the scale varies by a few pounds (I just started using it, so I don't know how much it normally varies). I hope to have my weight back up in a few weeks. I hope this calms everyone's curiosity. I'll keep you updated on this as it progresses.
Always wondered what the i's in the Apple product line stood for? Internet, information? No, ill.
spoonerize "magic trackpad"
The body loses efficiency in absorbing some nutrients like B12 as one ages. Jobs has been known to have some weird diets when younger. But he has often hired private chefs who specialize in quality vegetarian preparation.
I haven't heard of anyone getting better from pancreatic cancer.
Now you have. A few minutes with Wikipedia reveals that "Jobs was lucky; he had an extremely rare form called an islet cell neuroendocrine tumor that can be treated surgically, without radiation or chemotherapy." (From the Fortune article the Steve Jobs Wikipedia article links to.)
It's really dicey for non-experts (or, probably even experts) to make generalizations based on the common name of a cancer, without knowing exactly what variety of the disease it is, what stage it's at, and so on. Jobs has been (apparently) cancer-free since his surgery in July 2004.
It's an unusual usage these days - at least in American English - but not an incorrect one: ...
loose
-verb (used with object)
20. to let loose; free from bonds or restraint.
21. to release, as from constraint, obligation, or penalty.
22. Chiefly Nautical. to set free from fastening or attachment: to loose a boat from its moorings.
23. to unfasten, undo, or untie, as a bond, fetter, or knot.
24. to shoot; discharge; let fly: to loose missiles at the invaders.
25. to make less tight; slacken or relax.
26. to render less firmly fixed; lessen an attachment; loosen.
-verb (used without object)
27. to let go a hold.
28. to hoist anchor; get under way.
29. to shoot or let fly an arrow, bullet, etc. (often fol. by off): to loose off at a flock of ducks.
30. Obsolete. to become loose; loosen.
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You cannot wash away blood with blood
Well you're still 'Offtopic'. So there.
Come to think about it, so am I.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
The Denver quarterback had trouble keeping on weight two seasons ago and a surprise case of type-1 diabetes turned up. He didnt have other common symptoms like extreme fatigue, urination, etc., so doctors thought it was just stress. But high sugar turned up on his annual blood test.
Steve had some of his pancreas removed during his cancer and the remainder may become insufficient.
You're right. You don't follow this stuff. There are two kinds of pancreatic cancer. Most (adenocarcinomas) are a short term ticket to death. 5% are in the "other" category and are treatable. Mr. Jobs was in the other category.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Read this article:
Let's recap why there's concern about his health: in October 2003, he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer - which is usually a quick killer. But Jobs is extraordinarily lucky: he had neuroendocrine cancer, a rare and treatable form. He had the Whipple procedure (which removes the head of the pancreas, where the cancer was, and the duodenum, which connects the stomach to the jejunum) to treat it in July 2004 (having unsuccessfully tried to "treat" it through diet, a fact that was kept from
Apple shareholders beyond the board).
If Apple's doomed the minute Jobs is no longer running the helm, you might as well start running like hell as far away as you can from Apple right now. Jobs is a mortal, and will not be around forever. Find a company or product that will not immediately collapse when its founder dies or retires.
Do you *really* want to be running on something with a future that uncertain? I for one don't believe that Apple's on that shakey ground, but for those who do believe that, if they're still running on Apple, they're crazy.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
I'm not dead! ... I... feel... happy...
Colorless green Cthulhu waits dreaming furiously.
It'll either be that or the iMortal.
Where does this buddy-buddy tone come from?
Same place Billgatus of Borg icon and Developers-Developers-Developers video came from.
Or maybe not from EXACTLY the same place, but a couple of doors down the hall from there.
I wouldn't be surprised if he is old enough to be your dad.
Are you implying that Steve-steve-stevee-o and his mom were getting it on behind his father's back?
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Or is it a new euphemism for cancer now?
You know, such as when some bigshot gets fired, the press release usually says so and so resigned to "spend more time with family."
A buxom Steve Jobs delivered a healthy keynote at MacWorld 2010. After months of hormone imbalance treatment Jobs emerged on stage at this year's MacWorld sporting a apple logo tube top, short shorts and C cups.
A rare but treatable kind of pancreatic cancer, which he foolishly tried to treat by eating mostly raw vegetables, before having the operation. It's not much of speculation, it's a matter of record.
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I was just reading the Pixar history book this weekend and reminded of Steve's eccentricities like two months almost solely ric macrobiotic diet; Atari putting him on the night shift because he smelled so bad ...
Sorry, but I can't believe the incredible amount of stupid comments posted here on this article. Jobs basically announces he's not dying and Apple's shares jump 4%. Apple isn't a one man operation and Wall Street knows that. It's probably safe to assume that every single innovation that's come out of Apple in the past 11 years hasn't been dumped straight from Steve's brain either.
Steve's marketing genius and patient leadership are the real value he provides to Apple, and losing his leadership is what makes investors nervous. As some suggest, Apple pulling the Stevenote from MacWorld is an attempt to address the former, but without a plan to address the latter, Wall Street will still freak out at the possibility of Apple losing Jobs.
In a world where IT companies are constantly diversifying their offerings, rushing products to market, and generally playing a bizarre game of throw 50 products at the market and see which ones stick, Apple is playing its cards close to its chest - and has been successfully since Job's return. It's not chasing emerging markets (Netbooks), it's not trying to get into online advertising (Microsoft) and hell it's not even doing things that outsiders think it should be doing to expand its business. Apple's stock value is based on the perception that is has a master plan. This is what makes Apple unique. And this is the value of Steve Jobs.
I question the use of the word "hormone"... What he is saying does not make allot of sense. It no doubt does sound like an adrenal/thyroid/pituitary problem of some sort, but his symptoms are wrong for the typical diagnoses...
I strongly suspect there is more to this....
is an anagram of 'a common rehab line'
Just for the record... I am assuming a complex diagnosis because of his statements of "his doctors not knowing the problem". There are a number of very simply conditions that could cause the weight lose, hyperthyroidism being an example...
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Mr. Jobs? Are you kidding me? Please tell me you are.
I would call him Mr. Jobs but that is because I have manners. However the point of many people (maybe even your point) would be that we should call him Mr. Jobs because he is a God of computers. Give me a break.
Jobs is a marketing genius, not an actual genius. Mr. Woziniak was the actual genius. How quickly you fanbois forget him. (Or hate him with his recent comments on the company, its future and its products)
Just because Steve-O holds up an iPhone does not mean he invented it or even a small piece of it. Just because Steve-Arino has his name on the patent does not mean he did anything beyond write CEO after his name. He markets the products and guides the ship. (And from most accounts he is a complete asshole when it comes to being a CEO. That right there should remove the Mr.)
Stop making Steve Jobs into a God. He is not, never was and never will be.
I'll try anything once. Twice if it tastes good
"Now you have."
So he's been cancer free for five years? Because that's generally what is considered "cured".
"Jobs has been (apparently) cancer-free since his surgery in July 2004."
Ok, pretty close. That being said, it's cancer...
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You stick it in, and ... boom!
Boom! Boom! Boom!
I think it's a new euphemism for an executive worrying about his business in a economy not seen for sixty years. I'm sure if Gates was examined he'd be in the same situation.
"I got it all together but I forgot where I put it."
or badgers..
Requiem for the American Dream
You know, there can be some pretty complicated and rare syndromes related to pancreatic hormones insofar as cancer is concerned. However, I have no idea what he is alluding to here. The most likely answer for why a person without part of a pancreas would be losing nutrients would be a deficiency in exocrine pancreatic enzymes leading to steatorrhea and calorie loss. However, the description of hormones instead of enzymes and sophisticated blood tests instead of stool tests is a little confusing. My understanding is that he had a Whipple procedure for a neuroendocrine tumor. He would certainly be at risk for steatorrhea. People with neuroendocrine tumors can overproduce certain hormones (such as glucagon) which can lead to weight loss from chronic diarrhea. However, if his problem was due to such overproduction, that would certainly mean that his cancer had not been cured by the surgery and probably wouldn't be described as an "imbalance."
Anyway, I'm not his doctor and don't know much about his case, but can't really put together what he's given us into a coherent story. Maybe someone else can speculate, but it's a bit of a mystery what he is referring to here.
I am a physician and I have actually performed a few Whipple procedures in my training. I can say that upon reading this letter, I immediately smelled big-time BS.
There are some treatable medical causes of cachexia (profound weight loss) but they are not difficult to diagnosis. If he had pancreatic insufficiency following his pancreas resection, this should have been quickly noted because it is common and his newfound symptoms of diabetes are easily recognized.
Hyperthyroidism is another cause of weight loss, but any doctor worth his salt would have screened for this right away. Celiac disease is another possibility but again this is not a difficult diagnosis because of the GI symptoms (lots of diarrhea).
The most likely cause of weight loss in this setting is cancer, cancer, and cancer. It can sometimes be very difficult to find where exactly the cancer metastases have recurred, and this can delay the proper diagnosis.
The main thing that Jobs has going for him is that this weight loss was first publicly noted some time ago now, and he does not have other signs of cancer that we know of. Jobs does not seem to be the type to hide it if he knew he had cancer. At least, he didn't hide it the first time, right?
shellac.
I am a junior doctor and an old time contributor to Slashdot. I want to comment on this press release but I'm not interested in any trouble my guesswork may cause me.
Steve Jobs had pancreaticoduodenectomy (Whipple's Procedure) for pancreatic neuroendocrine cancer a while ago. His press release is very cryptic and makes little sense because he's using the layman's definition of terms he's using instead of precise medical terms. I'll do my best to decipher it.
First of all, Jobs is losing weight. Is this malnutrition or cancer-related cachexia? The former simply has to do with the body not receiving enough nurishment. The latter is an inflammatory condition related to abnormalities in inflammatory cytokines. Both cause similar outward effects but the underlying processes are very different. If we are to believe the press release then Jobs doesn't have a resurgence of his cancer. A Bloomberg article today commented that "Neuroendocrine islet cell tumors can cause overproduction of either one, or other powerful hormones such as somatostatin or gastrin, which are involved in digestion." While this is true, we are assuming Jobs had his tumor completely reseted so this isn't very likely. Therefore he probably has some form of malnutrition (more on this later).
"Nutrition Management of the Cancer Patient" By Abby S. Bloch states on page 89:
"Surgical resection as a treatment modality for pancreatic cancer creates several nutrition challenges: malabsorption caused by inadequate or absent exocrine pancreatic secretions or obstruction of the common bile duct (or both), diabetes mellitus resulting from resection of endocrine pancreatic cells, and protein-calorie malnutrition, which develops secondary to malabsorption."
If we are to believe the press release, then chances are it could be any of these issues. The only issues that fall under a "nutritional problem [that] is relatively simple and straightforward" are or absent exocrine pancreatic secretions, diabetes mellitus, and protein-calorie malnutrition secondary to malabsorption.
There are several articles which discuss these issues both in chronic pancreatitis and in patients status-post pancreatic resection and intestinal bypass. The one curious omission in the press release is the onset of symptoms. Mr. Jobs sounds like he was surprised by his weight loss and his doctors were confused. In Pancreatic Exocrine Insufficiency patients often have statorrhea which is a white-colored and foul smelling fat rich stool. Did he not notice this or was this detail to vulgar for Apple's shareholders and fanbase? It's wholly possible that he didn't have statorrhea which could have caused his doctors to run more tests to check for the worst-case scenarios such as his cancer reappearing. I think its fairly safe to take Mr. Jobs at his word. If his symptoms don't change by Spring then we can revisit this topic.
Anyway, "Pancreatic Cancer" By Douglas Brian Evans, Peter W. T. Pisters, James L. Abbruzzese is a wonderful resource that spends a great deal of time discussing Whipple's Procedure and I would suggest reading Part III from pages 123 to 232. Another great research paper is: "Management of complications following pancreaticoduodenectomy" by CJ Yeo.
Lastly I'd like to say this is all guesswork without having Mr. Jobs' and his test results in front of me so I welcome other doctors, experts, and researchers to comment on this press release. We can all benefit by collaboration. Remember, chaos is the score upon which reality is written but collaboration can swiftly bring some order.
Interesting definition of extremely lucky. Mine would be more along the lines of not getting cancer at all.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
... is just a side effect of the embalming process.
Have gnu, will travel.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."
Jobs had a form of pancreatic cancer that is relatively easily treated and has excellent survival rates.
"Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, the blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere the ceremony of innocence is drowned." -William Butler Yeats
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If you really are a physician then shame on you. Trying to give a differential based on a media report is pathetic.
That's just bad practice and horribly unprofessional. I can excuse the nerds here who don't know what they are talking about, but you sir just scraped the bottom of the barrel. You should know better.
I am a physician and I have actually performed a few Whipple procedures in my training.
Does that mean you got to squeeze the Charmin?
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I hope he goes on to enjoy a long and happy old age.
Nullius in verba
Your comments seem, well... under-informed.
Here's a link to a user comment that I found pretty interesting regarding the ability of post-Whipple procedures patients to process proteins.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/new-money/2009/01/05/some-arent-buying-steve-jobs-hormone-imbalance.html#1593509
For those that don't click through, here's a quote of a portion:
"the person has an unusual level of difficulty digesting proteins, fats, and starches since pancreatic enzyme levels are reduced and since the duodenum is missing. Unlike ferrets (who also get a little understood form of insulinoma, with insulinoma being a topic that needs a lot of study still) humans just don't have a lot of excess pancreas to spare. So, the upshot is that his body now will have more of his food go through without needed nutrients digested. Hence, the weight loss.
Add to this that he is a vegetarian, in fact, a vegan. Vegetable protein is especially difficult to break into usable amino acids. Animal protein is far easier to utilize.
Furthermore, people who have had the Whipple Procedure sometimes find themselves simply not feeling like having the many and frequent small meals the procedure makes necessary, and as a vegan Mr Jobs may resist the foods that settle the belly at such times: full fat yogurts, full fat milk, and cheeses. "
Well I'll be snookered... it's true!
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Um, actually the most recent research shows that starvation before chemo therapy DOES in fact help with recovery, it's not new-agey at all =) It helpded my former VP significantly with her ability to work a couple days after receiving her chemo treatments.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
Doctors, like IT folk, mechanics and theological students are nothing more than educated folk in a specific area. They hear a situation, give their opinion and try and suggest a solution. Want a "good" one? Find one with a quality practice in place and word of mouth recommendations. You'll find out the 'good' ones require you to pay.
Of course, it always "depends" on the specific cases and there are reasons why advice from a lawyer or doctor differ than they do with IT people. The difference is risk!
I'm tired of the IANAL warnings. Free advice is worth every penny you pay for it but it is nice to see someone throwing out an idea or two with a background.
I saw my mother as she lost weight and died of cancer, I think Jobs is dying too. He can lie if he wants, or legally speaking, shift the blame to some other nebulous medical reason. He'll probably be dead within six months. I hate to see him go but he's lying and that isn't fair to the stock holders or employees. His approach, or the board's approach, makes Apple scum in my eyes.
I shouldn't reply to this ridiculous posting, which implies that somehow because I am both a doctor and a geek I am not allowed to have an opinion on a media report on a medical issue. But fine, I will take the bait.
I am not Steve Jobs' doctor and I am not trying to be. The OP solicited a doctor's opinion and I gave mine with the little information I could guess at from a media report.
COMMON SENSE would dictate that I am not making an ironclad diagnosis from a media report, but apparently it is because of people such as yourself, who are lacking in this capacity, that people have to post disclaimers at the bottom of their comments and email or whatever that they are only giving their opinion and not a professional service.
Before I posted my earlier message I had a discussion about the media report with one of my colleagues. It would seem then that you would prefer doctors to keep such talk to ourselves. You are quite free to block my comments or refrain from reading them from now on.
shellac.
So Steve-Lite will introduce the iPhone-Lite?
Table-ized A.I.
This is a well known complication of having pancreas surgery. Some patients need pancreatic enzymes supplements afterwards to process proteins.
This sort of thing should not be a "mystery" to Jobs' doctors as the press release says.
They will slice his brain up into micrometer slices and scan it in, like they did to that volunteer for that medical database a few years ago, use it to create a neuron emulation, and then run the emulation on Mac hardware. It will be called the iJobs.
Table-ized A.I.
Got to love the way they announce that... Announce both the bug and the fix at the same time so nobody freak-out.
What's the CERT Advisory number for the Sick Steve Bug ?
"Heck, I had half of my digestive system removed and rearranged and now my hormones are raging, or not, and it's all a mess in there. I'm wasting away into a holocaust of a man but hey I'll be back as Steve 3.0 in no time. The monopoly that Nature has on life can't stop me. No matter what bugs she throws at me I'll bounce back with new the iHormone product line, exclusively from Apple." - A glued back together man named Steve Jobs.
Seriosly Steve I wish you the best. Please sell OSX for high end generic PCs and crush Microcrap while you're still alive. Thanks.
A fatty diet causes a body missing a pancreas, or much of a pancreas, much grief. It's hard to digest, and can make your need for bathroom breaks in the middle of a meeting increase quite profoundly.
Eat meat? Just a thought.
Trust me, once you've heard the words "It's cancer," suddenly the words "it's a type with a very high survival rate" make you feel incredibly lucky.
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Pancreatic Cancer has a 6% 5-year survival rate.
Again, this is pretty misleading unless you consider the specific cancer rather than "pancreatic cancer" as a generic. The statistic you cite is for "Estimated Five-year Relative Survival Ratio (%) (and 95% Confidence Interval) for the Most Common Cancers", and you read off the "pancreas" line. The specific case in question is not one of "the most common cancers" but (AFAICT) a different disease of the same organ.
Pancreatica.org has this to say about islet cell tumors:
Neuroendocrine tumors of the pancreas (islet cell tumors) are much less common than tumors arising from the exocrine pancreas. Reports often indicate that there are about two to three thousand cases diagnosed in the U.S. each year
and
The natural history of islet cell and carcinoic tumors tends to be favorable as compared with pancreatic adenocarcinoma. For example, the median survival duration from the time of diagnosis for patients with non-functioning metastatic islet cell tumors approaches five years.
(Johns Hopkins agrees.)
The Pancreatica article says this compares to a median survival time of 15.5 months for adenocarcinoma of the pancreas ("pancreatic cancer") treated with the same surgery Jobs had.
From what I've read in various places, consulting doctors for health advice isn't his primary strategy. I've heard the Whipple was only after everything else (quirky diets, 'alternative' healers) failed. Though I suppose there must have been some testing in there to have a diagnosis in the first place.
I don't know what's going on, I'm just pointing out that the doctors you presume are there may not be (at least regularly), nor would they necessarily have a good patient.
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the doctors you presume are there may not be (at least regularly), nor would they necessarily have a good patient.
good point. that is definitely a very plausible explanation.
The question is, why are his hormones imbalanced? It's not that common in males. Artificially altering hormones is extremely common for cancer treatments, however, so maybe this story is true but hides the bigger truth that he is having hormone therapy for cancer.
-Dan
I have a thyroid hormone imbalance that affects my weight as well. I can spout on all day about that is why my weight is all over the map. That still doesn't tell you WHY my homones are out of wack.
I had Hodkin's disease almost 15 years ago and the radiation therapy fried my thyroid and it isn't producing as it should. Ergo homone imbalance.
What Mr. Jobs tells us is akin to telling me their car gets bad gas milage. That just leads to more questions... is it bad milage due to old plugs or because the gas tank is on fire.
I couldn't fail to disagree with you any less.
I highly doubt Jobs had invented all their recent innovations. They is too busy to be tinkering with gadgets all day *and* coming up with superior marketing to make their products really popular.
But everyone thinks they need Jobs which is a good reason to keep him on and get him to slowly disappear and ease people into the fact he's human and won't live forever.
What is? Did they tease some crippled orphans?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Being that he had pancreatic cancer, he's probably on a special diet. A fatty diet causes a pancreas much grief.
It didn't help him with his first bout of cancer. He's been on a "special diet" since his early twenties. He's a pescetarian.... usually, the only "meat" he'll eat is fish. Otherwise, he's a fruits, vegetables, and grains guy. It's not like he had unhealthy eating habits before. That's one of the reasons I think he's seriously sick, and this "hormone imbalance" stuff is just PR to delay the inevitable.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
" Jobs does not seem to be the type to hide it if he knew he had cancer."
Forgive me, I've been working long hours today, and perhaps I'm just dense, or perhaps my sarcasm/humor meter is dead at the moment, but isn't that precisely what he did the first time, Doc? Basically hide his illness for what, damn near a year? If you believe what you read with the "special diet" treatment, it also looks like he was kind of in denial about the seriousness of the whole thing too.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
Ever been to a FEMALE doctor?
You loosen something that is too tight. You let loose the hounds. You never "loose" anything.
what point? That this particular use of that verb has been outdated and unused for about a century?
"The idea that five years means cancer is "cured" is ridiculous"
NO, the idea that you think that's what I said is ridiculous.
Not only what I said "CONSIDERED CURED" but the line following it "THAT SAID IT IS CANCER..." make it clear that the term "cured" is tenuous.
"Yes, that's when you actually get to use the word"
Which WAS MY POINT WHEN I SAID "CONSIDERED" and "THAT SAID IT'S CANCER."
Perhaps if you had actually read what I said you'd realize where you went wrong.
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I read something that said he has a rare form of pancreatic cancer which is treatable.
Do or do not. There is no try. --Yoda
...because I once stood behind him in line to get into a guitar concert at Stanford, yeah!
He stood there quietly and waited to get into the hall with everyone else, see!
Now pipe down you sonofabitch!
He's a brilliant guy, too bad that his own reality distortion field delayed his surgery. His letter seems a little disingenuous and unfortunately his health is material re Apple shares. There's probably no succession plan that will change that when the CEO is so closely identified with the brand.
Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people!
...and you'll need a paid upgrade to get it back out!
Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people!
No way, locked in for life. It's the way of Apple. The vagina will have inferior specs and be outdated real soon to, though the most fanatic iGina-users will claim they last forever and have a good resell value.
Okay, so you're illiterate.
not to mention 'blame mac on heroin'
i knew the stress was getting to him
Like all attention starved Mac users, once again the narcissistic hypochondriac king of the goons is doing whatever it takes to get a mention in a tabloid even if it's not worth the electricity used to write it. Who the F@*# cares? Everyone knows he has AIDS Did anyone hear of Ballmers' foot rash? BIG NEWS!
Are you a physician? Or you studied it and it's your profession?
"I said, its people who don't have the intelligence or discipline to learn (perhaps I should have said those who cant think for themselves) tend to become enamoured with an image or person."
You are wrong, intelligence has nothing to do with it. I can list 100 very intelligent people who have believed in, or followed, some very wacky people just becasue of their cult or personality.
You are vastly underestimating the situation.
"I said that most technically inclined people tend to see through a cult of personality"
This shows that you are listening to your ego, not reason.
You completly missed the point of the original point becasue you were to busy slapping out a knee jerk response. i.e. Not Thinking.
The poster is correct, many technical people are stunned when someone who spouts off crap, has no technical grasp becomes hugely successful.
Non of which points to Steve Jobs btw.
He is actually understands the technology, and talks pretty intelligently about the company.
Yes I own an iPod, no I don't own any Apple computers and haven't since the Apple IIc.
Finally, and Ironically, if you read that link you would understand that the Cult or personality doesn't actually apply to Apple or Steve Jobs.
I think Apotheosis would describe it accurately.
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It just say doctors. Considering his wacky beliefs, I wouldn't rule out 'Alternative' people calling themselves 'Doctors' in this case. I hope not.
Common sense as to what the article means does not apply in these situations. At least not to me. I've spent too much time watching those assholes hurt and kill people and get away scot free to do harm again.
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Celiac disease is another possibility but again this is not a difficult diagnosis
Tell that to every doctor I'd ever seen in my life (being visibly malnourished, and complaining of symptoms associated with malnutrition), until I was 33 when my celiac was self-diagnosed and confirmed by testing. And to my cousin and grandfather (both on my mother's side of the family) who died of gastrointestinal cancers, both associated with undiagnosed celiac. And to my mother, sister, and another cousin who all have celiac which was undiagnosed until I brought this condition (so common I don't like to call it a "disease") to their attention.
In the U.S., it is standard medical practice to misdiagnose celiac, and most people have to self-diagnose in their 30's, 40's or 50's (keeping in mind that this is a genetic condition, and so present from birth). Or more likely, stay undiagnosed and die of a gastrointestinal cancer, or some other condition caused or worsened by malnutrition. Celiac affects 1 in 133 Americans, but only 1 in 5,000 is diagnosed.
Unless you're saying that 1 in 133 of your patients (or more, if you see many patients with gastrointestinal symptoms) has been diagnosed with celiac, then you have no business saying it's "not a difficult diagnosis."
Celiac disease is always my first thought when I hear of a somewhat geeky underweight person. Undiagnosed celiac is associated with Asperger syndrome. For more about this, see Unraveling the Mystery of Autism and Pervasive Developmental Disorder by Karyn Seroussi.