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Atlantis Seekers Given Thrill by Google Ocean
RcK writes "Numerous articles are springing up regarding a feature found using the new Google Ocean, which some claim could be the location of Atlantis. While this is obviously early, and probably has the same credibility levels as previous claims of finding the mythical city, the detected anomaly is quite convincingly linear, is apparently the size of Wales and sits near where Plato hypothesized the city to be located." Google has stated that this is an issue with the way their ocean mapping software is working, but clearly that is a cover up while Google execs try to buy the real estate. I just hope they bring back Elvis next.
It's fun to read article in The Sun (ditto the National Enquirer). While there may be some validity in the findings (especially if you wear a tin foil hat), if you RTFM, it's a hilarious read complete with pictures of Patrick Duffy from the 1970's TV show "Man from Atlantis" along with an artists impression of the "lost metropolis" under water.
;-)
Speaking of nifty water shots, here's some cool pictures and time-lapse webcam images of the Antarctica Cruise Ship Ocean Nova which recently ran aground. Good news is everyone is safe, but they had to evacuate the passengers to another ship; guess they got quite an adventure!
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Numerous articles and you pick the sun?
Anyway here it is on google map
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=31.480209,-24.120483&spn=2.988616,5.026245&t=h&z=8
While it would be neat to find Atlantis (recollect how Troy was mythical until the late 1800's?), I suspect this will turn out to be just an example of natural ditches that line up nicely.
Or maybe it is Atlantis, and it turns out to be run by the same people who are responsible for that face at Cydonia on Mars!
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Basically, they found some lines on the ocean floor, and the lines are kind of square and straight. What happened was the lines are where boats made measurements using sonar, and the blank spots between the lines are areas the boat didn't go. So what we are seeing is manmade indeed, but not as some had hoped.....
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Come on, that's about the size of half Europe!
Is anyone besides me seeing the parallel with the supposed canals on Mars?
Everybody knows it's in the Pegasus galaxy now.
I'm personally longing to find some billionair-head gullable enough to fund an expedition and pay me for months to cruise the oceans.
the dialogue I imagine would run as follows:
"hey guy, I found amelia earheart on mapquest"
"here's ten million dollars and a barge"
"sweet"
she was the daughter of a wealthy florentine pogen read em and weep was her adjustable slogan
Someone might want to inform Joseph Mallozzi of this finding.
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I was going to tag this idleispants until I realized it isn't an idle story, maybe slashdotispants is the right tag. Is there some site that captures what used good about slashdot?
...off the coast of Spain, or something, quite some time ago?
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Oh please, we already know where Atlantis is! Dr. Beckett parked it in San Francisco, next to the Golden Gate Bridge.
This is just a government-sponsored lie to try to hide the fact that they already know about and have control of Atlantis. Anyone who watches TV knows the truth.
Google just got a DMCA takedown notice from Aquaman.
ago showed a more reasonable interpetation of where Plato clains Atlantis is.
If the person(s) copying Plato's work missed one little mark, the location would not be the Atlantic, but rather in the Aegean sea.
The Greek authorities refuse to grant anyone permission to go looking becasue they area is littered with antiquities they wish to preserve.
I'm NOT saying ti is there, or that there is a cover up. It's an interesting thing to think about.
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'Just wondering if anyone has seen links to other examples of this glitch? I mean, I imagine if it's a flaw in their sonar system that it would've shown up somewhere else, right?
"Beyond the Pillars of Hercules"
While Gibraltar, and the Atlas mountains is today called The Pillars of Hercules, in Greek times there were many. There were navigation pillars, or columns, that set up to be clearly visible as guides to the seafaring. They were commonly called "Pillars of Hercules" and so when Plato referred to this he may have been saying it about anywhere in the Meditarranean.
The '9000 years' is most likely a translation or transcription error for 900 years.
'900 years' before Plato's time there was a civilisation on an island that 'disappeared'. This was on Thera, today called Santorini, which was the largest volcanic erruption in the last few thousand years.
I used to live on Crete, Greece, and was amazed at the sophistication of ancient Minoan culture. By 2,000 BC, the Minoans had huge, multi-level palaces with running water and sewers. The Minoan civilization was wiped out when Santorini erupted. To the proto-Greeks of 2,000 BC, Minoan technology must have seemed almost magical.
I've read a theory that Plato's description of Atlantis is based on memories of the Minoans. The description fits, except for the location (Crete is in the Mediterranean, while Plato thought Atlantis was in the Atlantic.) Plato knew of Crete and the Minoans, though, but perhaps the stories were unclear or ambiguous.
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They want their city back.
My sister hates me sending her articles from The Sun. It's roughly the equivelant of believing the old "Weekly World News". For those who aren't familiar with it, at least some stories had some tiny piece of truth, but that was about it. They'd make up wild stories, and people would believe it.
I've seen similar marks when looking at photos of the moon, mars, and desolate places on Earth that people don't dig trenches in (or even live close to). Now, are they artifacts from the way the images were created, or natural lines, I dunno.
I've looked at enough Atlantis stuff to be curious. What's missing from this is the essential shape of Atlantis. It was suppose to be concentric circles. The center was the main city/castle/etc. There was a ring of ocean, and then another ring of land. etc, etc, etc. There were one or two canals out of the city, likely to the North and South. The important part is .... ROUND, not square. :)
What we have there is obviously ... a giant space flyswatter! The martians used it to squish some giant space fly. Don't look under it, you won't like what you find. :)
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
I just hope they bring back Elvis next.
I don't get it - what did ScuttleMonkey mean by that? Did something happen to Elvis recently?
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The article was missing perhaps the only thing this crowd would care about:
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To the right and up a bit there's some additional lines on the sea floor that are a bit too straight to be chance. Very interesting and I see a lot of treasure hunting headed that way very quickly.
Seriously if you look at it.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=31+15'15.53N+24+15'30.53W&sll=39.679105,-105.128672&sspn=0.011015,0.019312&ie=UTF8&ll=31.25977,-24.257812&spn=3.131698,4.943848&t=h&z=8
Scroll just a tad to the right. You will see more of those lines in the water. /Sorry no HTML skills
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My thoughts exactly. :-)
Why, for the love of God, do you people think that there was a civilization called Atlantis just because it's in one of Plato's dialogues? Plato isn't even the one who says it; it's a character in one of his dialogues, who claims to have got the information from the Egyptians. He also says that there was an apocalyptic war six thousand years before his own time between Atlantis and Athens, a city we know on the basis of archaeology hasn't been inhabited for much more than 3,500 years.
Ask yourselves three questions:
1. How can the Athenians have fought a war against another civilization at a time when all good archaeology and paleontology tells us humans didn't yet live in developed cities or fight wars?
2. How can Plato's source have known about Atlantis? It's not mentioned in any of the preserved archives of the ancient Egyptians.
3. How can knowledge of this so-called war and apocalypse have survived until ca. 350 BCE when the Greeks didn't have reliable information about their own history going back before 1000 BCE? Hint: if you say "but the Iliad..." I am going to beat you repeatedly with a copy of the collected works of Milman Parry.
Plato created the fiction of Atlantis to make a point in one of his dialogues. Give it up already. If you believe in Atlantis you may as well believe it was destroyed by Captain Nemo with the help of a plucky fifteen year-old French engineer and a lion cub.
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I wish I had mod points for you. Considering the subsequent Mycenaean collapse, it's amazing any memory of the Minoans made it to Plato.
While this is funny, it is another example of how artifacts of an experiment can lead to misinterpretation of otherwise valid results. The last big example of this was the man from mars. The most recent is clear and indisputable picture of this humanoid walking across mars. Then of course there is carving of the face on mars. All this comes from the mistaken assumption that somehow a photograph captures the complete reality of a situation. Even without the processing of such photographs, there is always a chance of injecting an artifact.
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OMG i found another, even bigger city !!
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=74.752746,39.880371&spn=5.105844,33.837891&z=6
Obviously something to do with how sonar mapping is done..
(30 miles S-E of Cape Lookout).
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The mystery behind this picture like the Face on Mars will soon be resolved once more detail is acquired.
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Some memories were preserved in the myth of Theseus and the Minotaur. To the primitive Greeks of the time, the palace of Knossos must have seemed like a maze. The Minoans also demanded tariffs on all shipping in the Mediterranean, and as we know, the ancient Greeks loved to dramatize trade disputes, thus the legend of having to send virgins to slake the hunger of the Minotaur.
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Having a look through Google Maps of the spot, the scale is wrong to be a city. It's about 100 miles (160 km) on a side! Not a city, and most certainly not an ancient city, as they were even smaller. Could well be an artifact.
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Yep, here we go again: people executing "bad science" by seeing what they want to see, rather than what is actually there. Those "lines" would actually be depressions, not walls, according to the topography as shown in GE, and they are interrupted by natural peaks and other features in a way that doesn't make much sense, were that actually Atlantis. What's more, there's an even more outstanding example of that same sort of artifacts off the southwest coast of Ireland, below its continental shelf; that area makes it pretty obvious that the cause is exactly as Google claimed: a side effect of the way the region was scanned with sonar.
These folks should go back to staring at the face on Mars and dreaming of meeting little green men. :-)
They somehow resembled Patrick Duffy...
Atlantis is described by Plato's writing as ROUND,
a series of concentric circles... not square.
It was located on a "smooth and rectangular plain", not that is -was- rectangular. It was surrounded by the 3 concentric circular canals...
the idea of the circles was that it was build on the ancients idea of "As above, so below".. in other words, much like the sacred geometry, Atlantis was built in a model congruent to the universe or cosmos, which they thought was shaped as a series of concentric circles.
A boat mapping the sea floor would presumably be mapping at even intervals rather than what we see in the image. At the end of the survey area, I'd expect to see more of a curve or ellipsis rather than hard right angles.
Also, the lines appear to go alongside the ridges the higher areas (and NEVER across them), which walls would do but boats floating overhead would probably not. In addition, there appears to be a main entryway to the center of the eastern wall, which makes the city idea more palatable.
Looking even farther to the east (beyond the image provided by The Sun), we see something that looks more like the telltale grid such boats could create ... or, if you prefer, more potential city.
We can probably learn a lot more without going to the site and re-scanning; just ask the people who did the initial scans and get clarification; if it was made recently by scanning boats, the narrower areas would have been created by higher interest in those regions, either because they were looking at/for something, or because there was some other factor that limited the scanning area.
Another tact would be to figure out what the depth is currently, and then look at our current tectonic models to see if it could ever have been close to the surface. My (completely untrained) instinct says it's far too deep.
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Edgar Cayce predicted that Atlantis would be found:
http://www.edgarcayce.org/ancient_mysteries/atlantis_mysteries.html/
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We all know the Ancients liked more snowflake inspired shapes.
Oh, and and large ring shaped objects.
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I'm no geologist (yet) and I have only looked superficially at this but the feature reminds me of what can be seen with columnar jointing. Nature can be amazingly precise and geometric sometimes. Normally it's basalt, and the ocean is pretty much basalt at the top-most levels of the ophiolite. If the basalt cools from the exterior, this can happen. I don't know if this can occur in the ocean as we tend to get pillow lavas as the basalt cools INCREDIBLY FAST and kinda oozes out. Also, with the extent of this feature, this would have to have been some sort of flood of basalt.
It's a pretty neat feature, real or unreal. Although I have to wonder what these people think about the very long linear feature called the Ninetyeast Ridge in the Indian ocean. Anyhow, got to love the masters of pattern: humans. Never fail to see things where there's really nothing.
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While you are joking, the fact it looks like roads is incredible. Although being there at all is really the big news. That is deep water, (at least now) so whenever it was constructed, the ocean must have been a lot lower than it is now, so that points towards an Ice Age road network. Thats awesome! ... its a road network thousands of years earlier than other civilizations.
Unless its a fake? (e.g. drawn into google?) ... because look at the google link and then look at the units!?! ... That thing is about 60 miles by about 45 miles in size! ... So if that is roads, its one hell of a big road network in size! ... So if its real, its totally awesome!
I spent a lot of time in grad school looking at seafloor topography maps, and let me tell you, the Google Ocean stuff is just *TERRIBLE*.
Much of the data comes from the GEBCO maps -- General Bathymetric Chart of the Oceans. These were hand-drawn topo maps from the early- and mid-20th century. Beginning in the '90s, these were scanned in and digitized, but whoever did it did a lousy job.
The topo contours on the drawings weren't smoothed out on the digital map, so in many places the sea floor has a "terraced" or "layered" look which is not at all accurate. The original map data was supplemented with modern digital hydrographic data taken by shipboard sonars, but this data is only available along the path of the ship. No real effort was made to sensibly combine the old data with the new, so the new data forms straight lines cutting across the older data.
Which is what this "Atlantis" is. Some ship did a detailed survey of that area, following a grid search pattern. The data in between is older, less accurate, and mismatched.
If our land surface data was this bad, Google Earth would be mocked constantly. But since it's the ocean, nobody cares or notices.
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It may be interesting, but just moving the map around a little bit, there are grid-like anomalies like this all over the place. (Can I even call them anomalies when there's so many?) Also, try zooming out and looking at the size of the thing; it's a third the size of Portugal. What sort of man-made grid like that from the ancient world could possibly be so large?
Whatever this is, I think it's probably safe to say it's not atlantis.
Now we know what happened to Atlantis, two rival claimants, one in the frozen North, the other in the tropical South, both proclaiming "There can be only one".
Oh the humanity!
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You mean Ireland, Africa?
Whenever something cthonic comes up on /., I always see the same tag: "Cthulu." Folks, it's "Cthulhu." A cursory Google search tells you this.
Now, of course, when Cthulhu does wake from his ancient slumber in R'lyeh, we're all going to go stark raving mad. But I, for one, plan to be spared the worst agony by presenting myself as a harmless copy editor in the service of His great Following, and then being eaten.
... I hope there's no Wraith :-(
Neptune had to clean up the debris after Atlantis submerged and all the debris spread all over.
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It's an interesting theory, and could tie in to Middle Eastern flood stories. There has been some scientific research done suggesting that the Black Sea at one time was dry, until the swelling Mediterranean burst through the Bosphorus and wiped out the settlements in the valley and creating the coastlines that would one day become the playgrounds of Russian communists on holidays.
Meanwhile, an old dude in a boat was bobbing around aimlessly, and after he landed one of the first things he did was get really, really drunk.
That Elvis was a no talent ass clown who couldn't sing and never wrote a song for himself in his whole life.
It's an ELF (extra low frequency) transmission grid for communicating with submarines.
Here's a even bigger patch off the coast of Ireland.
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=54.046489,-13.557129&spn=7.524823,19.775391&t=h&z=6
Sheesh.
there are probably many forces which will stop you in your tracks before you get to it. and they may not be your own government, or even your own people.
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Its a recording artifact, get over it.
No shit sherlock. Did you ever see what happened when the wannabe uber133t h4x0r chick who called herself "Raven" posted?
Every single one was modded up. It was bullshit. One of the /. eds was trying to lay her so he used to mod down the posts which called her on her bullshit.
Say the poster's name aloud and then tell me she's a chick for sure.
Some people don't have a grasp of the obvious....
Especially the fact that some of the lines are up to 20 miles apart from one another and the whole formation is almost 100 miles long and 50 tall. We're supposed to believe that 12000 years ago there was a city on a lone island that covered an area of 500 square miles?
Not to mention that the lines are all somehow preserved on the bottom of the ocean in an undisturbed fashion despite the notion that the island that was under the city some how went missing?
What, did the land just ever so gently lower the city to the bottom in the process of flatting out underneath it?
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Dumb ass! The OP's point is that desperate sex starved /.ers see what they think is a chick posting and reflexively mod it up.
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Your instincts are wrong. If you remember your history during ice age there was a lot of ice. That's why they call it that. So Atlantians were not above ocean, but below it since it was frozen and it was too cold above. The trenches are obviously whats left of their mega metropolises that spanned for 100s of miles. I wouldn't be surprised of that large depressions is their attempt to dig into the earth crust, closer to the core where it's still warm. That's pretty much common sense. Once ice age ended tunnels collapsed under weight of water and are now visible as trenches on the ocean floor.
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You are trying to simultaneously squash Hollywood, the 'Fantasy' genre, and American Idol/Survivor conditioned minds here!
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Well, they obviously got that wrong. The Goa'uld would have just supervised, not dirtied their hands with actual manual labor!
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All this time I thought that show was canceled :p
Well no wonder we can't find Sasquatch on Earth....He's on Mars!!!
Probably still waiting for that 'Earth-shattering Kaboom!' since the paparazzi made life miserable for him on Earth.
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So...your saying the Martians that built the Mars Canals hacked Google Ocean? ...little green men...
So John Carter was overestimating the green horde being 10-12 feet tall, with 4 arms?...Blasphemy and Heresy, I say to you, good sir!
Do try to stop reality from interfering with /. wankery.
P.S. This does look like a mashup of SONAR readings that were not 'quite' compatible, but maybe it will get checked out further.?...or not.
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Obviously just a processing/data artifact:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=31+15'15.53N+24+15'30.53W&sll=39.679105,-105.128672&sspn=0.011015,0.019312&ie=UTF8&ll=31.25977,-24.257812&spn=3.131698,4.943848&t=h&z=8
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Here is a paper describing what appears to be essentially the same problem: "Interpolation of bathymetry data from the Sea of Galilee: A noise attenuation problem"
It can be downloaded from http://sepwww.stanford.edu/sep/antoine/Research/GEO/GuittonClaerbout.pdf
The paper contains several images similar to the Google bathymetry map, with rectangluar noise. However, thanks to software cleaning they managed to remove most of that noise.
The purpose? Ironically, "The ultimate goal is to produce a good map of the depth to bottom and images useful for identifying archaeological, geological, and geophysical details of the sea bottom. In particular, we hope to identify some ancient shorelines around the lake and meaningful geological features inside the lake. The ancient shorelines could unravel early settlements of archeological interest or old
fishing ports".
I give these guys a better chance of finding something relevant, as they analyzed 10-meter scale data, rather than playing around with,Google Earth... :)
I used to do terrain and geophysical data processing: to me it looks like a particular ship that was scanning one day had a miscalibrated sensor, resulting in all the data along the path it scanned that day stand out. This can be corrected for with a process called leveling, where sections are scanned in a criss-cross grid, but evidently this data scanning was not so systematic.
A 2-minute search for other anomalies like this one turned up the following:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=54.09806,-15.974121&spn=7.515507,15.46875&z=6
It's just west of Ireland, and it's about the size of the entire UK. That's one hell of a big city!
Past the Straits of Gibraltar is a continent, in the centre along the longest side, high in the mountains by the sea is a rectangular level plain...this is the Bolivian Altiplano. http://www.atlantisbolivia.org/atlantisboliviapart1.htm [atlantisbolivia.org]
that is a fscking huge city!
Or, there's the explanation that sustaining a city's worth of persons requires more than a city's worth of land. Logistically, how could a city exist occupying the entirety of the island on which it was built?
Personally, I'm of the opinion that the grid effect is some kind of artifact from the methodology of the mapping. Even so, I don't really think that a size argument is sufficient to refute that the image we see today may somehow represent ancient ruins or something.
Seriously - what did they do? Eat only fish? Boat in food from western africa everyday?
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Everyone "knows" that ancient civilisation didn't exist !!! .. ...
1) The antikhedra mechanism is the only one remaining, thanks to its nice European (white?) origins
2) The Baghdad batteries are no longer in one piece
3) The mesopotamian cities of the 3rd mill. BC are being taken care of by the US military
4) The Ram Bridge (near Shri Lankha) is being turned in a sea passage
Finally, widespread book-burning in Asia & Europe in the 5th century was a convenient way to get rid of the past (thankfully, the Arab people saved some of the greek literature for Europeans to plunder a few centuries afterwards) !!!
What *proofs* do you have that Minoans ever had a developed civilization ?
Taken as a whole, mankind's movements are indistinguishable from those of a colony of ants ...
Does this mean that we do not think ?
Ireland and Acores ... thousands of random natural peaks could be a proof that it's only randomness at work, but NOT ONLY TWO !!!
Btw, thousands of *legends* throughout human history tell of sunken cities, strange monsters, epic battles ... some have been seriously investigated, and found to have sound scientific grounds, while most sleep undisturbed as "fairy tales" !!!