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Big Swedish Filesharing Server Seized
SmugJerk writes "Authorities are continuing to apply pressure on Sweden's filesharing community amid the trial of several principals of The Pirate Bay filesharing site. Today they seized a fileserver containing about 65 terabytes of files, corresponding to around 16,000 full-length movies."
The same spin doctors that run the drug war are now being employed in the Imaginary Property war.
BTW. Despite the word association games the article plays, there is no comparison between a server containing 65TB of files and Pirate Bay, as Pirate Bay doesn't contain any copyrighted information that isn't supposed to be there.
The filesharing server is giving out the content. The Pirate Bay does not.
...and just assuming the summary isn't stupid, I'd say this was a good thing. 65 TB of files is... fucking huge.
THIS is what I understand when someone talks about piracy; a few individuals who move about large quantities of media content.
Now the big question would be whether they made money that way, which I assume they did. After all, how do you pay for a 65TB server with corresponding bandwidth?
There wasn't 16k movies, nor 65tb of files. The media exaggerates everything, the only thing they know is that the serverS (note the s) had a combined storage space of 65tb.
If 65 terabytes of porn has just been removed from the net it could very well be the largest tragedy that the internets have ever encountered. Just thinking of such a tragedy brings a tear to my eye.
Backup server, anyone?
Gee, I guess that's why the one seeder of the torrent file I was downloading went offline. Strange, I shuddered with pain when it happened, like 65 terabytes crying out in astonishement as the server died.
3 things about computers: they're alive, they're self-aware, and they hate your guts.
According to the related article on TorrentFreak the server was a topsite used by numerous scene groups and Peter Sunde (aka Brokep of the The Pirate Bay) has said that "it is possible that it's a major source" for The Pirate Bay.
65TB of torrents or actuall content?
removing 65TB from the internet has the same effect as shutting down 500 average filesharers. yeah, it sucks, but it's not going to have a huge impact.
Here is a better article: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http://www.dn.se/sthlm/stort-piratbeslag-i-stockholm-1.815258
Today they seized a fileserver containing about 65 terabytes of files, corresponding to around 16,000 full-length movies
65 terabytes of files? Storage space of that magnitude is unfathomable! How many full length movies would that be? 16000 you say? That is still too large for me to process. If I wrote down all the files in 1s and 0s, how many football fields would that occupy?
Every slashdot user can divide 65 TB by the size of a DVD. Unfortunately, full-length movies are NOT a standard measure of storage space. Least of all on slashdot in the context of file-sharing.
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That's very amazing. Movie technology has existed how long now? If we're very generous and round it up to 100 years, then the world must have produced 160 movies per year, or nearly one every two days, for there to be that many.
Gosh, the box office has been busy, hasn't it.
What a well-organized network that must be to have such unmistakably identifiable persons (some even being computers!) among its membership under this absolutely new and unique trademark name. ;-)
Now where are the ships and home port of their evil "pirate" fleet?
How do I mod the entire article -1: Stupid?
What a complete coincidence that this happened right after The Pirate Bay trial concluded, and not before. Because, after all, that was exactly what the defense position's was: go after the actual infringers.
Were this raid to happen a week ago, it would've been the highlight reel of TPB's testimony -- evidence that aptly demonstrates who exactly is committing copyright infringement.
"SmugJerk writes "Authorities are continuing to apply pressure on Sweden's filesharing community amid the trial of several principals of The Pirate Bay filesharing site. Today they seized a fileserver containing about 65 terabytes of files, corresponding to around 16,000 full-length movies."
OK so let me know when we get to the particular right that's being violated and I'll get excited. Otherwise it's business as usual around here.
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If we assume an average of 1TB per drive, which is a high average, since 1.5 TB just came out last month and I don't suppose he bought all his drives last month, that is 65 drives on one server.
Using IDE or SATA it is not possible in a "normal" setting, because there are 4 to 6 drives to the standard el cheapo IDE or SATA controller. With up to 7 or 8 slots on an E-ATX mainboard this is nowhere near 65 drives.
So he must have been using some kind of NAS or iSCSI solution. For filesharing? Why? All the crazy filesharers/movie collectors I know burn tons of CDs or DVDs for storage.
And what kind of a pipe must this guy have had to utilize sharing 65 TB?
This sounds like someone may have converted 650 GB to 65 TB or something like that.
65 terabytes? Shirley you don't need a full install of Vista just for a file server?
Come on... the "Libraries of Congress" gag has been done so it only left me with the "in Soviet Russia" line, "...profit" or generic Microsoft bashing. ;^P
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one of these home file servers:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/313/1051313/ibm-steps-home-media-servers
thegodmovie.com - watch it
...since filesharing is semi-decentralised. None of the files are actually on anyone's servers; the users have them.
Jeez, does anyone ever check their sources? MSNBC of all things? You know what the MS stands for do you?
Other than that:
There was not ONE server with 65TB but a "ring" of servers with "suspected" 65TB overall data. Police took down exactly one single server. All the other servers were shut down by the people running them so they could not be traced further.
[ENG] http://torrentfreak.com/large-pirate-topsite-raided-in-sweden-090306/
[SWE] http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article4582094.ab
[ENG] http://www.thelocal.se/18050/20090306/
Just the fact that they dub that "the biggest raid ever" is such a hilarious demonstration of how much they don't know.
"Ponten said the server ring had collapsed as a direct result of the raid." hahahaha
Did you mean, was redirected and pulled out of your sight? And even if it "collapsed" these are Gigabit sites, backup is easy and there is, well let me understate, definitely more than one of these.
No what am I going to do? I've got every mp3 in existance! I've got all color movies ever released, and then some. But now what? And don't say I'm stealing because I'd never buy any of this shit anyway.
I am listening to my sad music now... oh wait, that isn't the same Scene, is it..?
I'll just go sit in the corner now.
The ability to host 65 terabytes of movies is insignificant compared to the power of the dark side ....
...and just assuming the summary isn't stupid
That's crazy talk!
And nothing of value was lost.
Mmm hmm... and they all belonged to a network called "The Scene".. probably made with a "series of tubes"..
Actually they are being used as a unit of scaremongering, and a strange kind of filesharing that would be where one server holds every file in full, amounting to a total of 65 TB.
If they are talking about some FTPWelt.com kind of pay-for-download archive, there seems to be something fishy (in particular at this point in time) about the purported link between TPB and an alleged über-Camorra known as -OMG, shiver me timbers- "The Scene".
I hope they don't have a daisy chain of firewire drives connected together to get to 65TB. I guess this is the way a Mac user/admin would do it?
This amount of storage needs to be on a SAN/Frame.
This is vapor reporting from the Anti-Piracy Bureau. It seems that one server out of a ring of many, which might have had a total capacity of 65TB, is claimed to have been seized.
Try swallowing a full USENET feed nowadays. 65TB gives you a measly two weeks retention..
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/dev/rand contains any file you could possibly imagine. What proof? Just look keep looking at the bytes that come out of it and match it against any copyrighted work. Eventually, you'd find a match. Of course, you might be long dead before a match is found, but that's irrelevant.
The point is, /dev/rand, contains far more than 65TB pirated material, and it's contained within every Linux computer, so every Linux user is a pirate.
Microsoft users, OTOH are innocent. While it's true, Windows has a CryptoAPI, it avoids violating copyright by making its random function always return "1". :-)
The streets of Sweden are now again safe for copyright lawyers and trolls, movie studio heads and...um, well that's a start.
I hate the way this summary seems to conflate somebody with a big server who may or may not have movies on it with The Pirate Bay, who you may know, does not share movies from their computers.
If you are someone who believes that this crackdown on filesharing is a good thing, please put together your best argument, write it on a piece of A4 stationary, fold it in quarters and stick it as far up your ass as you can.
That made me feel better.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Giant server seized in raid on file-sharing site
Well, it was raid cluster ..
Hivemind harvest in progress..
The pirates' naming convention was itself, pirated, from Monty Python's "The Piranha Brothers" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pirahna_Brothers):
The server was associated with a pirate scene, which they called, "The Scene." They formed a gang, which they called "The Gang." They ran operations, known as "The Operation, The Other Operation, and The Other Other Operation."
After becoming bored with Monty Python, they pirated the name of their network ring from "Buffy", calling it "Sunnydale."
Definitely a pattern of pirate behaviour.
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Please do tell us how you come to this conclusion with regard to Swedish copyright law. Nothing you described is a legal analysis, let alone a legal analysis that takes into account Swedish copyright law. Also, nothing you said accounts for another seizure that occurred before the conclusion of TPB's trial.
As for the analysis you did give, you don't account for how we would simply have different art. Even if we have "No Star Wars, No Star Trek, No Family Guy, No Indiana Jones, No DailyShow, No SNL" and so on, we would have other art to enjoy. Perhaps we'd have other things to do that can be exploited commercially. The question is whether Star Wars, Star Trek, Family Guy, and other shows are worth an increasingly oppressive copyright regime and remarkably uneven commercial benefit even for those that participate in that system.
In any forseeable future commercial art can still exist but the particular commercial exploitative systems we have today might not exist (perhaps replaced by others no more ethical than what we have now, perhaps replaced by others which are far more reasonable like Magnatune). In other words, arguing that the current art goes away is not a serious argument for the status quo.
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Star Wars, Bladerunner, Lord of the rings, Matrix, couple of kung fu films, Negotiater, Pulp fiction, say another 10 that I only remember when i'm pissed. that leaves about 63 Terabytes empty.
...can break into libraries, confiscate their books, detain their employees and say that it is in the name of justice.
This isn't justice. This is modern day book burning.
"If we were to make all media free it would in effect kill the fish, in this case big media, and if we were to do that then there would be:
No Star Wars, No Star Trek, No Family Guy, No Indiana Jones, No DailyShow, No SNL (pick the year you like), No Office, No Office Space... you get the point..."
Everything that people watch on TV they buy on DVD... no wait... they don't? Why don't they? Because most of it is only (barely) good enough to watch on TV in the first place, but its not worth buying.
And yes, all the crap would disappear.
But people still want to pay for something they like to support it, so that would be around - perhaps not to the greedy salaries as before, but enough to make a living for the worthy
"While some champion the new use of technology I for one am disappointed that more aren't championing protecting creative works."
Because copyright is usually amoral and wrong. You are not supposed to be able to profit from a job done once - unless all jobs become that way - say, the carpenter gets a cut every time you use his door.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Last time I grabbed some Swedish racks, all I got for my trouble was slapped silly...
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
The PirateBay isn't illegal, and the authorities know it. They're just suing in court to distract people and force the PirateBay to waste time and money.
In the meantime, various agencies have been going to the pirate bay and clicking on those torrents. And, just like the owners of the PirateBay have maintained all along, those agencies get routed through the tubes to the purveyors of the indexed content.
So. They click on enough links, put all the listed IP addresses together, figure out which ones show up the MOST, then follow the connections to the source.
The PirateBay is totally legit, but if you take away the material at the end of the "index card", then it won't matter.
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Pretty nice if you run FreeBSD or OpenSolaris using the ZFS file system with encryption. :)
Transfers via darknets or SFTP/FTPS or FTP over SSH.
Can seed on a private torrent tracker. Or sit on Tor, Freenet, GNUnet or TurtleF2F.
Server chassis with hardware intrusion detection that wipes crypto keys. :D
All opinions in opposition to The Bay, are futile. Your opinions are as worthless, as your attempts to stop the inevitable. Control is an illusion. So you can keep pissing into the wind.
I wondered what the hell was causing today's havoc. I work at the local multiplex and it was just crazy all shift, queues right round the block. People were coming in saying "Tickets for _anything_, hurry,hurry! Keep the change!" and throwing handfuls of money at the till. We had to call for a security van to take the sacks of money away before they filled the whole office.
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
Get a ten pound plant with a couple buds. That's ten pounds of high grade marijuana in cop world. I've bothered to reverse engineer some of the math too, it's pretty amusing.
It is no longer uncommon to be uncommon.
"Today they seized a fileserver containing about 65 terabytes of files, corresponding to around 14 million full-length Bibles."
Way to go, zealots!
If there are 16000 movies, and all TPB has are torrents, then torrents for 16000 full length movies consumes about 6.5 megabytes (you could fit the lot onto an old usb thumb drive). Torrents ARE NOT files. You CANNOT watch a torrent file. The movie studios did not produce them, nor are torrents their property. A server with 65 Terabytes? I'd like to see that. So would IBM. Their biggest DASD array ranked up to about 52 Terabytes of storage. But 65 Terabytes for TPB? Bullshit! Its once again, a lie.
No, that just feels like reading /dev/rand.
Please do tell us how you come to this conclusion with regard to Swedish copyright law. Nothing you described is a legal analysis, let alone a legal analysis that takes into account Swedish copyright law.
Okay here is how it breaks down.
1. They are indeed subject to U.S. copyright law and here is how:
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/ccmanual/04ccma.html#A.1.
Several of the statutes discussed in this manual require an interstate or foreign jurisdictional hook. See, e.g., 18 U.S.C. Â 1029(a) (prohibiting access device fraud "if the offense affects interstate or foreign commerce"); 18 U.S.C. Â 2510(12) (defining "electronic communication" to mean any "transfer of signs, signals, writing, images, sounds, data, or intelligence ... that affects interstate or foreign commerce").
Failure to establish the "interstate" basis for federal jurisdiction can lead to dismissal or acquittal.
Copyright charges are Federal and subsequently interstate can be shown with any country outside of Sweeden and also within the U.S. as well being allowed access to the same file links. Now typically this is about access fraud, but since it also includes disrupting commerce it still is applicable. (this would be the toughest stretch. If a US judge says yes this is applicable game over for TPB)
Section 1030(a)(2)(C) requires a more particular nexusâ"the unlawful conduct itself must involve an interstate or foreign communication. See 18 U.S.C. Â 1030(a)(2)(C).
Prosecutors should be prepared to offer evidence that the conduct in fact traversed state lines.
Easy to prove there
Useful evidence might include testimony as to the geographic location of computer servers. Bear in mind that even a "local" provider may utilize communication facilities in another state.
# 2. Extraterritoriality
Absent evidence of a contrary intent, the laws of the United States are presumed not to have extraterritorial application. See United States v. Cotten, 471 F.2d 744, 750 (9th Cir. 1973).
This presumption against extraterritoriality may be overcome by showing "clear evidence of congressional intent to apply a statute beyond our borders."
Pretty clear here with the "Oh I am in Sweeden your laws don't matter to me way over here"
United States v. Gatlin, 216 F.3d 207, 211 (2d Cir. 2000) (internal quotations omitted).
"Congress has the authority to enforce its laws beyond the territorial boundaries of the United States.
Aha so they are indeed liable and can be charged under U.S. law
Now here is where it get's really good... what if there was a precedent for extradition from U.S. to Sweeden. This in effect would show that the U.S. has complied with Sweeden's requests, and similar pretense.
http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/670/670.F2d.722.81-1785.html
Tada! Precedent! So in fact under terms of international extradition agreements Sweeden should comply with the request.
And that's how the Pirate Bay could be brought under U.S. Federal Copyright law.
It is indeed possible.. While they can cry "Oh we are in Sweeden your laws do not apply to us"
True... UNLESS you disrupt foreign commerce and by being an accessory to piracy they are indeed interfering with foreign commerce as an enabling accessory.
I have a large collection of ripped DVD - and I own the media. So lets look at your estimates a little more closely shall we? I have about 720 full movies, some of which are double disk, none of which have the main movie compressed. I have downloaded trailers for many of them too and the format I use - ISO - adds about 300megs of overhead per movie. For my 720 movies my file total is about 4.2TB. Some of these are multidisk sets but that ought to average out. VERY few of these SD DVD crest much over 6.5Gig apiece and many are under 4gig. Sorry but I am not seeing much in the way of 9Gig DVD here, pretty much none. I do strip out alternate languages soundtrack and subs but that's not going to push me too much higher IMO.
Oh, HD movies aren't usually anywhere near 15gig transcoded and FEW are near 30Gig in my experience - I have over a hundred of those too. the one I ripped tonight was 16.5Gigs with 5.1 sound and no copmpression. Some of the HD stuff is actually not too much bigger than some of the larger SD stuff once it's compressed - and I do not step on mine much at all. Transcoding saves 30-40% for me. My 117 movies - some with alternate endings so ripped twice - take up 1.2TB.
Methinks I'll post this one as an AC sorry ;) I don't share my files anyway. I ripped my stuff so it wasn't sitting out for everyone to "borrow" or worse steal....
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I know exactly what all that data was...poor scientist trying to do research on MMO's get busted http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/sociologists-using-mmorpgs-to-conduct-research-556582
File sharers are antisemites. They know US movie and music industry is run by jews and the want to rip them of all revenue, so they become unable to financially support Zion, causing its economy and military crumble. The arabs can then crush the kibbutzim and kill all the jews eventually, fulfilling Hitler's wet dream.
No wonder Sweden is the center of global file sharing, that so called "neutral" country served Germany very serviently in both World Wars. No wonder Pirate Bay is supported financially by the leader of Sweden's nazi party, which is a nasty secret only Wikileaks and Britain's The Register dares to write about!
Luckily America supports the jewish and zionist cause without hesitation and eventually they made the right step to stop the swedish nazi madness. The new US administration has notified the swedish government that export of high-tech AIM-120 AMRAAM air intercept missiles to Sweden will cease unless trafficking in USA-created audio-visual media stops immediately. The swedish people must now choose between respecting intellectual property rights or welcoming their new russian overloards, who can come across the Baltic Bay any time when AMRAAM-equipped Gripen fighters are not available to protect the shores. Check-mate!
Finally a message to anti-semites and anti-zionists all around the world: No, you won't win! Masada must not fall again! Jews are smarter then neo-nazis and arabs and will find a way to stop those, who want to eradicate them.
What a well-organized network that must be to have such unmistakably identifiable persons (some even being computers!) among its membership under this absolutely new and unique trademark name. ;-)
Saying that some guy is part of an 'international pirate network called "The Scene,"' has about as much validity as saying a random dude with a bong is part of an international network known as "Stoners". Technically correct, but perhaps overestimating the level of overall coordination..
That's the wrong way around.
If you want to show that it falls under US jurisdiction, you need to show the SWEDISH law that puts it under US jurisdiction.
The USA cannot claim jurisdiction over actions happening in Sweden just by creating a law that say it is so, in the same way that Iran can't claim jurisdiction over actions happening in the USA.
If this is ever changed, you can wave goodbye to your beloved freedoms (or whatever is left of them), because I can guarantee you that Iran would put the entire world under their "you cannot insult Mohammed" laws the instant they got the ability to do so. Their laws probably say that they cover the entire world already.
No it is correct as this interferes with foreign commerce.
What is this Iran bs you spout.... typical of an AC...
It was a good (if long) read. Just don't read too much into it!
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