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Pirate Bay Court Loss Won't Stop the Flow of Files
Adrian Lopez writes "According to PC World, 'Hollywood may have won a battle, but the war against piracy is far from over. Unauthorized file sharing will continue (and likely intensify), if not through The Pirate Bay, then through dozens of other near identical swashbuckling Web sites. ... What Hollywood needs to remember is sites like The Pirate Bay are like weeds. When you try to kill one, they grow back even stronger. In this case, The Pirate Bay already moved most of its servers to the Netherlands, a move that could keep the site running even if The Pirate Bay loses its appeal.'"
I can look forward to a future with no more big-budget movies or mainstream e-books. What a relief!
Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
The death of Napster wasn't the end of filesharing 10 years ago. The elimination of TPB won't be the end of filesharing today.
What it does change, I hope, is the smugness of people like TPB folks who act like spoiled children when confronted by legal action.
Filesharing is an important outgrowth of the Internet, not just for the illegal download aspect, but also for the perfectly legal transfer of software like Linux distros. Assholes who make a big spectacle of how they are skirting the law just make it harder for legal filesharers to do our work.
Good riddance to TPB, and long live filesharing!
All the Pirate Bay is really, is a symbol; I'm not convinced this spectrial was ever about combating P2P, but more about a clash of ideologies.
This is typical of a situation, where a dinosaur on top of the food chain tries to defend its position.
I am pretty sure that MPAA/RIAA/Big Publishers would like to put the whole filesharing technology back to the bottle until they find a way to monetize it. Then, of course, it would be accepted.
And I can't get over the Swedish court's argument that making the service available is criminal, because it can be used illegally.
Every problem has a solution that is simple, easy and wrong. Selling our Liberty for a little Security is a much too de
Development of filesharing solutions is a bit like evolution.
Like new, more advanced life sprung up as a result of each disaster, new, more advanced file sharing solutions pop up each time after the media industry manages to kill one.
As Bittorrent is not a service, but a protocol, it will obviously never die. Darker and decentralized versions of it is evolving already, made strictly for "private" use.
What the industry fails to realize, is that the newer solutions is also *better* for the user than its previous counterparts. Remember Napster? It was only good for people who listened to mainstream chart toppers with crappy sound quality. It was not an option for people really interested in music.
But of course it won't stop. On one hand, there's a significant demand for services that let you get for free (not counting the cost of bandwidth) what otherwise costs a lot, so it's a viable business model for the broker. On another hand, there are still plenty of jurisdictions in which it will be much harder to take such a website down, either because the legal system is not on par with that, or because corruption level is high enough that there is no need to bother with the laws at all.
Even after this ruling, file sharing in general still remains a low-risk, high-profit activity. Such things don't die off. It's the economics, silly.
The irony of moving your weeds to the Netherlands ...
> The Pirate Bay already moved most of its servers
> to the Netherlands, a move that could keep the
> site running even if The Pirate Bay loses its
> appeal.
Is this move true? If so it would be pointless as similar legal battles in NL made it clear that such torrent sites are essentially (considered to be, by judges etc.) illegal. Mininova for example was in NL for a while, but left because of this.
A lot of 'casual' (non tech.) users are likely to be put off by the increasing application of EU directives against sharing/copyright theft. (The ones that the boys from PB were hammered under).
As EU Govs. progressively try and vote these into law, (a recent attempt in France was defeated at the last minute), users are going to find it harder to use file-sharnig services without getting cut off by their ISP, or worse.
I predict a growing interest in TOR and IRC...
This is used in an excuse to reserve full participation in culture for a narrow class of professional creators, and to attempt to destroy the potential of the Internet to make human life better, more creative, more democratic, and more free.
It will fail.
You are a pirate!
They can trash on The Pirate Bay all they want, but public sites like that are mostly just for piracy tourists anyway thanks to their notoriously unreliable speeds that make the 'pr0' pirates steer clear of 'em except as a last ditch option. Sure you can try and stem the tide by taking down one of the big, well known ones, but that's really not going to help matters much. Another public site will spring up, having learned from the lessons of the prior one, and will be even harder to take down. The tourists will latch onto it and the whole mess will ramp up even more.
Besides, the guys doing the really heavy duty stuff (i.e. dedicated download boxes with a ritual morning tracker browse through with 24/7 downloading) are all rocking private trackers and encrypted file transfers anyway. Good luck to trying to crack apart the chunk of the piracy community that actually does know what they're doing and aren't 13 year old girls, grandmothers, or drunk, stupid, college kids.
"I am pretty sure that MPAA/RIAA/Big Publishers would like to put the whole filesharing technology back to the bottle until they find a way to monetize it. Then, of course, it would be accepted."
They had their chance a loooooong time ago. They thoroughly screwed that pooch and will have to stop basing their businesses on suing the crap out of people, which they really don't want to do (mostly because I think they enjoy it).
Technically it's not possible to stop p2p, and the harder you try, the tougher it becomes. My fear is as that happens, it all gets pushed further and further underground. There are millions and millions of teens and youngsters involved. As it all moves to anonymous p2p and darknets, what these kids are exposed to along side the music/games/films is going to get more and more worrying. There is already a lot of porn along side torrents. Maybe this is what the copyright enforcers want to use to strengthen their moral argument, call it gateway data or something.
There is also the issue of the morality of it all. Should something that such a large section of the population do be illegal? Who is the law serving then?
Is this a road we really want to continue down? Seams pretty dark....
I say bring it all out in the open so it can be regulated and taxed. Money can still be made, if the service is good enough and the price is reasonable enough, people will pay, allofmp3.com demonstrated this, as do many private torrent sites. On top of this, people will always want real world stuff to go with their data (think how much money the Star Wars toys made). On top of that, advertising worked well for existing TV. Good money can be made if free downloading is brought out in the open.
Sorry if I'm dense, but, why the need for a centralized repository of the torrent data? These data could be floating on the net themselves, replicating in a huge number of copies, with a versionig system for updating. Or not?
Not sure that it was such a good idea moving the servers to Netherlands.
The local RIAA (BREIN), have been pretty successful in having the law 'bent' to their will and having various torrent sites closed down.
Even now they've announced that the want to block the Pirate Bay in Netherlands [link is in dutch]:
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/59677/brein-wil-na-vonnis-the-pirate-bay-in-nederland-laten-blokkeren.html
Rough translation: "Brein will use the guilty judgement against the Pirate Bay operators as a chance to try and convince the government to block Pirate Bay in Netherlands".
The current parliment act as if they're in the pockets of Brein, so I'm not sure why TPB thought it safe to put the servers here.
What we really need is some sort of decentralised torrent client.
I read the Pirate party has received three thousand new members since the verdict was announced. That's a /lot/ of Spartacus.
Is Cloud Computing a method for TPB to move servers at will between datacentres? What would it take to package up a VM and move it to a different country with different laws? All this for just $0.10 / hour!
The P2P replacement "Oneswarm" is F2F, "friend-2-friend" and uses BitTorrent files. Read more at: http://oneswarm.cs.washington.edu/
Now, you can legally share your own, home-made Word-documents again!
Are the media so naive that they don't understand how the appeal process happens?
How we know is more important than what we know.
www.thepiratebay.org
It hasn't been shut down. The prosecution were all about how this sent a 'message' - and indeed it did. It sent a message that Swedish legal judgements are apparently toothless against a torrent tracker.
Oh, and the whole media circus made damn sure anybody who didn't know about pirate bay before, does now. Congratulations, asshats.
If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we shoot people for Apollo-related non-sequiturs?
Haha!
Long live The Pirate Bay!
Long live file sharing!
Long live Bittorrent!
Piracy is nothing more than thoughtful humans who question the premise of copyright law and want to end the corporate stranglehold over culture.
There, fixed that for you.
I agree with that, except the Long live the leechers. Pirates aren't evil, we live by a code, and that includes seeding the file.
Long live THE PIRATE BAY!
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Yes, in theory you could move your servers any where & other services would take up the slack.
However, if they are successful in continually blocking these services in countries with fast internet, then they'll be relegated to countries that have little bandwidth & potentially long pings if there's a satellite link along the way).
The strength of pirate bay is that it has a huge user base so that there's a lot of torrents on the site & there's a good chance that there's seeders for those torrents you need.
Aggregators would be more resistant to these things because they could simply provide torrents with the list of servers aggregated.
However, that still creates a potential problem if as a response people switch to private trackers which are un-indexable by aggregators.
However, that obviously doesn't account for new protocols.
Oneswarm is pretty cool but still has a problems. Per-GB caps pose a problem. Privacy is trust based meaning that untrusted friends break the anonymity so this isn't applicable to the internet at large and all the content you want must already be available within your circle of friends. Of course if you set up a dumb public server that anyone can friend with oneswarm, you could still get privacy.
And in general, routing through third parties worsens the protocol efficiency & puts unnecessary data on the network making you a bad citizen of the Internet.
A better approach would be to use UDP packets where the source IP address is spoofed or erased. Thus, the receiver doesn't know who the data came from (the target for the request is free to pick a random machine to delegate to even if they can satisfy the request).
Even this has some problems in that getting through firewalls won't be easy.
"What we really need is some sort of decentralised torrent client."
What WE really need is free, unencumbered content
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www.thepiratebay.org
It hasn't been shut down. The prosecution were all about how this sent a 'message' - and indeed it did. It sent a message that Swedish legal judgements are apparently toothless against a torrent tracker.
You ARE aware that court rulings usually have a certain timespan after which they enter legal status right? Almost no court verdict is immediately binding especially not when there's an appeals trial pending. Also, piratebay is hosted on different servers in different countries. Even if the Swedes shut down one site the distributed model lives on.
Oh, and the whole media circus made damn sure anybody who didn't know about pirate bay before, does now. Congratulations, asshats.
That's why DURING the trial there was very little actual coverage (let alone unbiased) in the news media whereas the verdict EVERYONE published. It's called lopsided reporting.
The more you tighten your grip, Hollywood, the more systems will slip through your fingers.
That was supposed to be "Thoughts from England"
The MPAA better sue Google now, because Google has even more torrent links than Pirate Bay ever had, because it includes all Pirate Bay's links.
The establishment is never going to stop people from telling each other where to find stuff. And probably never stop people from publishing stuff they've got. People have the natural right to free press and speech; suppressing it ends only in revolution, even if just ungovernable sneakiness. The free speech about where to find stuff others have published is impossible to suppress.
And totally tyrannical to try.
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If you seriously think this is about money, you've really got your head in the sand.
This is absolutely about control.
Some artists hate losing control over their work.
And the so-called artists associations very much enjoyed believing they had the power to set trends and the like. (Think Partridge Family and the like.)
Computer memory is just fancy paper, CPUs just fancy pens with fancy erasers; the 'net is just a fancy backyard fence.
If they plead guilty, then their intent was to help breech copyright.
If they plead not guilty, then their intent was not to help breech copyright.
On the charge of "Assisting the breech of copyright" (which isn't against the law in Sweden), the feelings of the defendant on copyright is irrelevant.
Ask how the producers of Spider Man feel about copyright when it caused them to be sued because billboards were visible on the streets they filmed there and then sued for modifying the billobard owners works when they replaced the images digitally.
I think you'll find they were pissed off at copyright being used there.
Hey. Why are the authors' summaries always so assimilated by the MS/Disney/RIAA mindset? Yes, there are some that assert that there are problems with specific torrents, but they (the complainers) and they (the disputed torrents) are not everybody, every country nor every torrent. Stop bleating the technology == piracy mantra spread by Bill and his minions.
There are plenty of legitimate downloads via the Pirate Bay, such as the CCC 25 presentations. P2P in general is full of legit traffic. Just last week, apt-p2p was mentioned, though is has been around a while longer -- long enough for HOWTO Forge to pick it up.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
Long live the leeches! FUCK artists, and FUCK their rights!
You should start a record company.
Real art cannot be made in a vacuum, no matter how much money you throw at the artist.
That aside, DeVotchKa may or may not be good. I haven't heard their music. But I can guarantee you there are lots of bands just as good and better, many of them making less money than them, who have been stabbed in the back by the very artists associations who are leading the putsch against a free (as in speech) internet.
You can't sell your work if you can't get it into the market. That's what this is about. Those so-called artists' associations are fighting to keep control over a market they never should have had control over.
And it's the people trying to keep the market controlled that are keeping the local bands from making as much as they should.
(But I still don't see anything wrong with artists having to have day jobs. It keeps them in touch with the real world, keeps their art meaningful.)
Computer memory is just fancy paper, CPUs just fancy pens with fancy erasers; the 'net is just a fancy backyard fence.
...the critical distinction between the services of TPB ad Napster, i.e. Napster was a centralized repository and TPB is more of a phone book. Lumping them together as "teh file sharerz" is just ignorant.
The giant media corporations have changed popular culture in a boxed culture of artificial scarcity. It a disgusting insult to everything for which real shortages exist, like medicines and food.
If I said I didn't have an incentive to grow oranges unless I could plant a tree in your yard,
or if I said I didn't have an incentive to grow cotton unless I could own slaves on the
plantation, most people would see this is these as the worthless shallow arguments that they are.
But if I said I didn't have an incentive to to make beneficial or creative works without a
copyright monopoly, then all of a sudden people just take it on faith, they don't even question
it, they just assume that society would fall apart without them. In my humble opinion, this is
intellectually dishonest, especially considering that the entire Renaissance happened without
copyrights.
The simple fact is, there is no equivalence relationship between copyrights and property rights -
incentive does not a right make. The moral and historical foundation of property derives from the
fact that property has physical limits, while the foundation of copyrights dervives from kings
who granted publishers monopolies in return for not publishing bad things about the monarchy. The
history of copyrights is not one of rights, but control of sharing and restricting the open use
of knowledge.
That is why people who copy are not criminals, thieves, or akin to pirates who board ships and
murder people. No, infact they are really victims of a cruel deception. A deception that
copyrights somehow financially benefit artists and creators. The simple fact is, that for every
artist that makes it "big" there are literally thousands who copyrights haven't helped a bit,
even hindered, or destroyed.
However, this is not the only failure of copyrights - it is just one in many issues related to
copyrights that are just blown off ignored, or glossed over. Like the failures of Hollywood
culture, the failures of big media to provide quality material, the failures to provide
reasonably priced books to college students while tabloids are dirt cheap, and massive anti-trust
behavior in the software industry to name a few.
While the problems associated with copyrights might have been bearable 20 years ago when the
biggest issue was Xerox machines, today we are in the information age where
information is so easy to copy and manipulate that there can be no middle ground. Our society
will either have to control all of it or none of it. Our communications will either have to be
monitored or free, our privacy to be either continuously probed or protected.
In that sense, copyrights are like a vine that will never stop growing to choke off our freedoms
until we cut it off at the root. The DMCA, infinite extensions, billion dollar lawsuits, are all
just symptoms of a poor belief system - not the cause. So the efforts to find a "middle ground"
on copyrights are a failure because they do not address the core issue. That contrary to
copyrights, the right to copy and distribute creative works and knowledge is a right!
Like freedom of religion, and freedom of the press, the right to copy things is a right that
exists above government. It is a moral right, it is an inherent right, it defines the very nature
of the human condition. It is beyond politics and the petition of leaders.
In fact, the entire foundation of politics rests on the notion that it's better to fight wars
with words than wars with bloodshed. But to copy things does not require coercion or violence at
all, the rules are not the same. We will not change the copyright situation by petitioning our
leaders, or voting to change the system. It can only be changed by defiance.
Defiance by holding the belief that people have rights, even if those rights appear contrary to
the popular mob or to the system. Defiance, by shedding off the guilt and shame that those who
try to impose copyrights on us and understanding that they are the ones who should be
guilty and shameful. Defiance by copying and sharing creative works whenever we have access to
them. Defiance by using technologies
How hard is it to set up servers in Sweden that don't answer from clients in Sweden? Repeat as needed and include as many odd countries as needed. For extra points, make sure its all very confusing as to which is where and anycast when possible.
Spotify offers all you can eat for the price of listening to the odd commercial. [...] Yet despite these, we've not seen any dip in piracy.
I only have personal anecdotal evidence to back me up, but I know of a handful of people who previously used Limewire and TPB to download music and who now see anything other than Spotify as "too much like hard work". For those who want to listen to a specific track from their past or who want to do a "try before you buy" on a recommended artist, Spotify truly is the mutt's nuts - search, click, listen almost instantly.
Now, I don't know what percentage of current TPB users fall into that category of music listeners/lovers. Perhaps the vast majority do in fact just want "free stuff". On the other hand, in my small social circle, Spotify has changed the game in big ways. I'd be very interested to see the effect on global P2P music sharing figures if the service was extended worldwide.
Squirrel!
There is no way the RIAA or MPAA is going to win this battle in the long run.
The Internet is, for the most part, pretty lawless. Sure they can bag a few people here and there, but pretty much you can do what you want. Enforcing any kind law on the Internet is, and will always be, very difficult.
As long as one of the networks on the Internet allows something, and people on other networks have access to that network, there is no stopping it.
If the mafia mega corps. keep fighting like this we will just end up with Internet safe havens. Think of the banking world: Switzerland, Liechtenstein, etc. At lot of developing countries would be great for this sort of thing. China, India, Vietnam, Thailand. These places have the infastructure, and people with skills. But the governments are more concerned about producing enough food, and keeping people employed. They won't care about enforcing IP laws.
Also there are some countries who would not follow suit for privacy reasons. Here in Canada it is illegal for the ISPs to match IP addresses with names, unless the police ask. Our privacy laws are pretty decent. So while it may be illegal to download off of bit torrent, there is no legal way to find out who is doing it.
Anyone is free to look here http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1198841&cid=27622135 & see who the b.s.'er is here. Especially after Computerhacks' name calling (& blatant errors) at that url I posted's parent post. Computerhacks' reply there truly made him look like the complete rookie/noob that he is. Computershack, after that blunder of yours in the url above? Computershack, You've only shown us that you are only another name tossing noob, and one that only looks at the surface of things (but you clearly don't really know what's going on beneath the hood of operating systems (especially Windows)).
An AGPL torrent tracker that is completely node based and can be run on peoples' home computers is needed. There has to be something out there that is close enough to be forked.
Taking the P2P idea to its extreme, you could cut Pirate Bay, Mininova or other public trackers out of the transaction completely. The individual person's computer could self-publish all of its currently available songs to other computers directly in the form of a searchable list it would be as easy to use but not require any choke point of legal encumbrance.
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Um, that is not how weeds act. When you kill a weed, it dies. You kill more of them, you have less of them.
Currently hooked on AMP
You Fail.
I bet piracy would stop if US Marines/Navy Seals dealt with The Pirate Bay pirates in the same way they dealt with Somalian pirates.
All your pirate bay servers are belong to us
I don't think that statement is true anymore, as you can see that it's already some time not the case of 1 down 10 up.. With convictions like these more and more people are starting to think before setting up websites.. it's still a long way off before it really does have a big impact, and it will never go away, but it certainly will be much less.. But then again, it's a good thing sites like 'the pirate bay' are being targeted as the only reason for their being is piracy, and piracy is a crime.. Just think if it was your movie/music/whatever your lifelyhood would depend on and people just start to steal your 'bread'.. and that's the biggest problem with a lot of people, they just think of them selves and not of the consequences of their actions..
Not all that long ago the things we traded in the free market were solid things. Actual solid products.
The free market regulates it's prices naturally with supply and demand. The times that we see the free market being thrown out of balance is when there are monopolies that can apply their own artificial scarcity to whatever they're a monopoly in (I.E, diamonds). They apply an artificial scarcity by assigning whatever price they want to it- this is possible because they're a monopoly.
When it comes to imaginary property (Selling ideas, concepts, bytes.) you HAVE to apply an artificial scarcity to it because the supply is unlimited. In mass this is a problem for the market, because it throws things off balance, the same as monopolies do.
I see the file sharing frontier as the market correcting this imbalance. It's restoring order. There is unlimited supply and as such the price must go down due to the natural cycle of the free market. This is exactly what is supposed to happen.
Furthermore.. Musicians do not need record labels anymore. They used to when we used vinyl, because no one could just make records in their house. How much of record sales goes to the record label? A lot. Most of it, I'm sure. If the artist did it themselves, they would make much more money. Does this mean they need to burn a bunch of CDs in their house? Does this mean they need to hire someone to burn a bunch of CDs? No, not really. No one uses CDs anymore. We all have mp3 players. The media that music is written on is different now, and in a form that's even easier for the artist themselves to create and distribute.
Without record labels, and even without CDs, what does that leave artists with? For starters, what do you think the profits of advertisments on a very popular musicians website are? Enough to support a small family I'm sure.
And then you have to take in account merchandise- Think about XKCD. This guy writes a short unartistic (though witty) comic three times a week, and he makes a LIVING off of merchandise, and doesn't even have any advertisements.
The combination of going on tours, advertisements, and merchandise is enough to make any independent 'free' artist a very nice living.
Will they be super millionaire idols? Living like kings like they are today? Probably not. But that's fine, isn't it? Why should musicians make more than our best engineers..?
Or a more logical approach: Why should musicians make more than any other type of artist??
I think the stand of musicians now is unnatural. They are manufactured by the media to fit demographics in bulk and then live like kings. This isn't the way it should be and it won't be like this forever.
Things are simply evening out. The big media corporations can try all they want to reverse the flow of technology, but in the end the free market and 'the balance' are boss.
You can't stop the signal, Mal.
Even if they manage to stamp out internet filesharing through draconian means, people will go back to SneakerNet if they have to, like they do in Cuba as we speak. Get with the program, RIAA/MPAA/Television Networks/etc; it's here to stay, nothing you can do with ever stop it completely.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
It's pretty easy to reduce P2P significantly (as in "enough").
All you have to do is get most ISPs to NOT move to IPv6 and resort to NAT.
Once IPv4 addresses get scarce and users end up behind _ISP_ NATs, it sure gets hard to do P2P when you are no longer a peer on the Internet.
That's right, you are no longer a peer. You are just a subscriber. Game over.
Just the way Big Media would like it. They like the "few servers many viewers" concept.
The other way of course is to just use simple heuristics to detect P2P - when someone has 20 connections to 20 different sites, and is uploading and downloading a lot, even if it's all encrypted, it's safe to say it's P2P.
If the packets are small and the bandwidth usage is low, it's probably VoIP or something similar (if you want low latency comms you use small packets).
You could tunnel everything to some site and P2P from there, but that's just shifting the problem to that site. It's not guaranteed that you can keep shifting the problem to such sites.
Lastly, a lot of ISPs actually don't care much whether you are doing P2P or not. All they care is that you are downloading and uploading a lot. If there are lots of users like that it means they can't oversubscribe as much = less $$$$ for them. They don't have to do anything fancy like "deep packet inspection" - why should they? All they need to do is "limit/shape/police" people who are downloading/uploading a lot.
The content industry has won NOTHING yet against TPB. As long as TPB is up and running anywhere int he world the copyright zealots haven't won a darned thing except press headlines.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
The source code file is 87 megabytes.(Java) - Amazing An interesting bit of tech to explore when it won't take an hour to get it. - lol More to the topic. Don't support companies that use their influence to lobby against you.
15TW = 15,000 Nuclear Reactors. (Approx. one accident a month.)
Let's face it. It's illegal. Nothing you say will make it anything but. If they want you to stop stealing their copyrighted works then stop or pay the price. They will pay the price in the end. I haven't bought a CD in years because of the high prices. I won't switch to Blu-Ray because of the high prices. Move on to something else, but don't steal.
Tech and the music industry has changed. You can dream of the old broadcasting distribution method where content is made and a hefty price rammed down your throat. But it isn't coming back. And just because your looking at pirate bay's top100 doesn't mean filesharing will neglect indie artists. Look at the indie/electroclash/bmore/ internet scenes. That sound was supported by blog filesharing or what was coined as "bloghaus" or general club music. This has created a whole new scene merging retired ravers and indie rockers with an 80s-electro/punk asthetic. Now this style and sound is the major marketing whore for the world today. The people having success and touring lots in todays world have engaged with there audiences online, they put on great live shows, and they use the internet to their advantage. No discerning music fan is going to go out today drop 20 dollars on a CD, like i did in highschool, for a band they no nothing about or have no connection to. Sure Artists will have to work harder. What i'm saying is that it can be done. Scenes have flourished in undergrounds since filesharing took off. You need to engage like how Trent Reznor does with his internet videos. You need to give people the sense they are a part of your music and your scene, not just shelling 15 bucks to be a starstruck fan. Real music fans don't like acting like fans did with boybands and the Beatles. These true music fans are the ones you want on your side talking you up online. I'm not going to deny the effect filesharing has had on the Dj industry. I moved around from record shop to closed record shop in Vancouver until there was only one major one left. Does this mean p2p killed Dj'ing? Nah, it just changed it and people had to adapt, buy Serato for their laptop etc. It's all about adapting. We can't just sit around shaking our fingers like old geezers. Filesharing represents a challenge that we'll have to accept and grow with. Maybe we have seen the last of Rock stars snorting millions up their noses, and maybe they'll have more respect for their audience and money?
...Throwing Criminals In Jail Won't Prevent Crime.
But I don't think that's news.
Perhaps Slashdot can robotically generate a daily story entitled, "The File Sharer's Daily Lament"?
And while you're at it, you can also do one called, "Apple iSomething iAnything Today."
Ahhh. Never mind. Don't bother. I'll check back tomorrow and expect that the only thing missing will be my dumb headlines.
Maybe it's me, but this seems like about the first time that someone over at PC Mag has actually said something intelligent about filesharing, rather than tsk-tsking about piracy.
"...until then, I'm with the crypto-anarchists."
An anonymous, consumer/innovation-friendly internet?! That's treas... um... well, it's kinda like common sense, isn't it?!
According to recent searches for news on this, TPB membership has surged since the verdict... which.. btw.. is still non-binding until it goes through the first appeals phase..
in other words.. it carries a little more weight than a US grand jury indictment, but nobody goes to prison and no damages or injunctions are yet in force.
VLC FOR MAC IS DYING! IF YOU DEVELOP, PLEASE SAVE IT!!
They shoulda moved the servers to Nigeria.
No one ever gets taken to court there!
Whether people purchase their music or download it from the Pirate Bay or both is irrelevant to your Starving Artist problem. The Artists are being raped by the Record Companies where "a share of the net is a share of nothing". While they're in their naive stage they get indentured for studio time, then tour budgets, then marketing money. It's a timeworn path. It's an institutional tradition. Artists glean the fields of intellectual property. It should be no wonder that much of it is about anger and pain.
It has nothing to do with the the Pirate Bay.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
There will always be those few who dare to do that thing that bothered you about TPB. In the end they may be the only people who matter.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
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Seriously, as if these obsence prosecutions are going to do anything. The BIG media companies will have to shut down the internet as whole.
www.thepiratebay.org 208.87.149.250 FirstLook, Inc. El Segundo, CA, US
torrents.thepiratebay.org 83.140.65.31 Sweden Rix Telecom AB, Sweden
tracker.thepiratebay.org 91.191.138.2 - 91.191.138.9 DCS.net Stockholm, Sweden
So only the search is offshore! It would really be advisable to put the tracker there... seems TPB counts on the incompetent justice who can't distinguish between search engine and tracker.
Atari rules... ermm... ruled.