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North Korea Conducts Nuclear Test
viyh writes "North Korea conducted a nuclear test on Monday, South Korea's Yonhap news agency quoted a ruling party official as saying.
A magnitude 4.7 earthquake was recorded by the USGS in North Korea.
South Korean President Lee Myung-bak has called an emergency meeting of cabinet ministers over the test, Yonhap said."
i for one welcome our north korean overlords
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Weapons that can destroy the planet are never a good thing so long as there's so much tension in the world.
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Yeah, but it only takes one person with access, opportunity, and a death wish to take everyone with them.
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It's time to send in Liberty Prime! Just need to reprogram him to yell about North Koreans and their "Juche" government, whatever that means.
It might be a good time to invest in all those radiation toys you've been thinking about.
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Its a fun clip that should give slashdot readers some smiles, but
the last line is haunting, "keep on throwing I dare you.. "
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http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/2308/the-second-north-korean-nuclear-test provides a sober view of the latest test as well as other Korean and arms control related http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/acw?q=korean&sa=Search topics.
It'll be interesting to see if this latest provocation makes Japan finally go nuclear.
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This whole North Korea situation sounds like a broken record.
Every U.S. administration since Clinton has been dealing with these sorts of North Korean threats. The Republicans criticized Clinton for his handling of the situation, and they found themselves in the exact same position.
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So much for the Post Bush Diplomacy initiative.
"If we just be nice to them and stop calling them names, they'll be nice to us.".
I hope the North Koreans love their children, too.
you know, if the media and politicians stopped making such a big deal of everything north korea ever does, i kind of think they'd stop... it's like angelina jolie adopting babies, or britney spears showing her sexual organs - it's all about attention.
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Whole N Korea thing is something like a troll guy who begs for ''replies'' or getting banned until he gets the ultimate attention.
There were no news about N Korea for a while and bam, they explode a nuke.
Can a country troll? They seem to be able to do it.
This cannot possibly end well...
...is china. N Korea is just a pawn in China hand. Back then N Korea had a working economy, until Chine feared that N Korea will get out of their control and things started to get messy. So China can get their hands clean and let N Korea do all the dirty jobs.
since north korea ignores sanctions and doesn't care about their citizens who are suffering from famine and the obsessive control of their despotic leader, we should give them of something that kim jong il will understand -- launch a missile strike on one of his palaces, and tell him if he doesn't halt work on nuclear weapons immediately -- including divulging information on these weapons to Iran and Pakistan -- we'll have no other choice than to take him out of the game permanently.
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See? Absolutely nothing new happened since Kim Jong Il received a gift from UK figure.
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The he only way countries like Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan etc can be sure they wont be invaded is to get nuclear weapons.
It would have been much easier arguing against these countries getting nuclear arms of the west had not invaded countries right and left for no reasons. Stupid decisions brings terrible effects.
I very highly doubt these weapons will ever be used. The only country that has ever used an atombomb so far is the US so i would watch them more closely than North Korea.
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Does this effect levels of radioactivity in air of S. Korea (or Japan, China) ?
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What a wonderful way to remember those that died by kicking it off with the most destructive force man has come up with.
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They don't need to be used in order to cause harm. Now, no one will stop Kim from doing whatever he wants. Not like they would "help" them anyway, since theres no oil there, but its a general idea.
Who knows if USA wouldn't have been invaded long time ago if not for their nukes. A lot of people hate them for good reasons, but can't "fix" them, cause they simply have nukes.
> I'd love to come back in a few years and reply to one of your posts
Considering that Slashdot closes discussions to posting after a period of only weeks, I rather doubt that you're going to be able to do this. Or that anyone will care, except you.
every country has the right to cheap nuclear electricity especially a country such as north korea whos people are starving.
they would never build a bomb... oh wait ....
on another note.. good thing restrictions from the well update (1968) nuclear arms proliferation treaty place restrictions all signing states... opppss north korea forgot to sign...
Now that I think about it, my comment looks like redundant. Ah, give me "unsubmit" button :(
64 years ago the USA conducted two nuclear tests over Japan on two cities killing thousands of innocent civilians.
Given that precedence, it doesn't sound slike much of a big deal that a communist bankrupt country is conducting some nuclear tests.
A magnitude 4.7 earthquake was recorded by the USGS in North Korea.
If memory serves their last couple tests didn't generate much of a yield. But that big of tremor likely indicates they have overcome that problem. They got it working now.
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we would have to run the line of succession until we found a person we could live with and then somehow take out a whole mess of stuff.
99.999999% of the battle plans include Seoul Korea as casualties in the first couple hours.
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In the Bush era, I suppose I would have really worried about this and even posted on slashdot that this proves how dumb liberals are at reading the intentions of dictators....
but, electoral disasters have a way of clarifying political ideas and I have to ask, why is the USA even bothering to defend North Korea? Since half of South Korea hates the USA and the other half riots at the prospect of having more open trade on their side, one has to ask, why is the USA in Korea at all? Right away, if North Korea and South Korea destroyed each other, it would be better for American car companies. We wouldn't have as many Hyundais and Kias running around the USA.
At some point, the USA needs to let go of trying to run the world. There's no gain in it for America, and the world doesn't want to be run anyway.
So North Korea gets the bomb. I don't care. Neither should you. The USA can build a missile defense system based on Aegis that can stop some ballistic missiles, and anyway has a pretty good retaliatory capability.
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So far US, UK, Russia, France, China, and maybe Israel all have nuclear weapons capability.
There is no reason to invade North Korea just because they are trying to develop nuclear weapons.
There was no reason to invade Iraq either even if there was suspicion that they "might" have nukes.
What gives the right to countries that have nuclear arsenal to enforce their dominance over other countries that don't and prevent them from development?
North Korea has not committed any act of war, and neither did Iraq at the time, let them be - who are we to assume supremacy over other nations and act on suspicions (like we did with Iraq)?
If US invades NC on it's own without FULL support from international community, then we are not better than Nazi and I will from one be ashamed to be American.
When China finally wakes up and realizes that having a somewhat unstable next door neighbor armed with nukes is a bad idea, this sort of thing will stop - North Korea survives only because China keeps giving them tons of aid.
Perhaps the North Koreans are interested in China's continued aid supplies over the long term? As in, after they get a credible, deliverable weapon, 'If you stop the gravy train, we take out Hong Kong, even if we're glass 8 minutes later. That whole "we don't like the west" thing was just so you would let us build nukes.'
I really don't get China's motivations. Once the nuclear genie is out, they won't be able to stuff it back in. It's like the U.S.A. helping Haiti to get nukes because they don't like Cuba. Does it not occur to the Chinese govt. that once North Korea has a real nuclear capability, they could aim it anywhere they so wished?
More information about this can be found on the official news website of North Korea:
http://www.kcckp.net/en/news/news_view.php?6+510
New Mushroom Cultivation Technologies Developed
The mushroom institute of the State Academy of Sciences has achieved a lot of successes in scientific research, which are helpful towards the improvement of dietary life.
They make it possible to popularize and intensify the mushroom production without much effort to suit the natural and climate features of Korea and the raw-materials and cultivation conditions. The researchers there are striving to introduce the technologies on an expansion basis.
In particular, the agaric cultivation technology in a semi-vaulted greenhouse is popular, with which a large quantity of mushroom can be produced even in the temperature below zero.
They made quality supplementary nutrients and substrate ferment with deposit of sewage from pig farms, which considerably increase the mushroom yield.
The researchers have completed the method of cultivating agaric with waste matters after its cultivation as the main raw materials and proved successful in the research into introducing two-crop farming of mushroom.
This method, which doubles the utility rate of raw-materials, brings about a great huge profit upon its application.
It's not good, but all this means is North Korea can't be invaded, and who would want to? Altruism is not a good enough reason to sacrifice troops in a country that would be prepared to use Nukes against an invader. The leadership is weak and in a time of turmoil. I'm fairly certain that Kim Yong-il suffered a stroke recently so he can't lead the country there forever so someone has to replace him. They will inherit a country with weapons, but no bread. How sad for the North Korean people.
So while the leadership of North Korea is at it's weakest, it beats it's chest with it's weapons forcing improving their position of bargaining. This can be summarised with the wisdom of Sun Tzu: "the clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him." and the North Korean leadership is doing the opposite of "masking strength with weakness is to be effected by tactical dispositions."
They are masking weakness with strength.
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They're way too small. They could only destroy civilization.
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All the nukes in the world (literally) won't do more than scratch its surface.
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Most species on the planet would be better off if humans ruined their own civilizations; it's the asteroids and supernovas they're really afraid of.
And we don't have confirmation yet of a nuclear test, so we can't tell whether they're bluffing with a mountain full of dynamite. But if it was a nuclear test, it's about time we break their nuclear facilities and keep them broken. It's not safe to do weaponry trolling of the world's military.
"A magnitude 4.7 earthquake was recorded by the USGS in North Korea."
When did they sneak in there? Okay, being a grammar bammer, but really it should read:
"A magnitude 4.7 earthquake in North Korea was detected by USGS sensors in [some_place]."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
This doesn't surprise me a bit. John Bolton predicted this a week ago. "Oh, but they dismantled their nuke program!" Um, sure, the stopped trying to make fissile material because it's probably far cheaper to buy it from the Iranians. And I have no doubt that North Korea traded with Iran for the designs and other essential technology. So in fairly short order we'll have two extremist countries with nukes. WW3 is coming, folks, but keep believing you can talk them out of it.
Maybe you're just not thinking hard enough, although we can't all agree on the best solution, there are several that are better than letting mass murderers do whatever they damn well please.
Seriously, who appointed the USA the world wide stopper of mass murderers? I would think that if China and Russia were concerned about North Korea having the bomb, they would actually not be blocking action in the UN. But they are. Since they are both close to this insane new nuclear buddy, and can live with it, then why should we worry about it.
It's not our corner of the world. Let China deal with it.
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It's a valid observation, whether you like it or not.
I thought after World War II, Japan wasn't allowed to have a military anymore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_military
Your premise that the USA has historically been "buddies" with Japan is entirely wrong. The USA sailed in Japan with a fleet of modern warships in the 1850s and forced Japan to essentially surrender without so much as half a fight.
"The black ships" was one of the most humiliating episodes in Japanese history and there are plenty of Japanese that haven't forgotten it.
The deal is, historically, if anything, the USA has had a much better relationship with China. We accepted numerous Chinese immigrants and we went to war with Japan because of Japanese atrocities against China.
The thing is, I really don't see, long term, why the USA should set itself up against China. Keep them out of the pacific, yes, but if China wants to play hard with Korea or Japan, then, is it really our problem?
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If world stability was even remotely important we would "solve this problem" like we solve the non-existent WMD problem in Iraq. It's all about oil or revenge (Iraq and Afghanistan, respectively).
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dude i dunno if you have worked at a big company, but they pretty much pay people the same no matter what they do, as well. except for certain jobs, like some managers... they typically try to pay as little as the market allows, and give as much as possible to their top brass and CEO. the people who improve processes or do good work on projects get no bonuses or raises, and often the credit for their work gets stolen by brown nosing butt lickers who climb the corporate ladder.
Not so sure. As far as I know there's only one country who has ever used nuclear weapons against inocent civilians...twice. Yet that doesn't necesarily implies that any other country could become equally insane.
"only country in Asia whose values mesh well with the West--chivalry and Calvinism,"
wow, you're really a lugubrious twit
Taxes, health care, and education are socialist ideals.
No, those things are not inherently socialist. They can be applied in a socialist manner, but taxes, medical care, and education were around long before Karl Marx. Taxes are used in every economic system in some form. So is health care. So is education. It's how you implement those things.
You could possibly make an argument that American public schools are used in a semi-socialist model... and I wouldn't argue with you too much about that. But a government service implemented for "the general welfare", as the Constitution puts it, isn't socialist by definition. See the postal service.
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Denial of human rights doesn't work, whether through communism or oligarchy parading as democracy.
Once people demand and establish direct democracy and stay active in it, no other solution will come close. The more decentralized enforcement it has, the longer it will last. You'll notice how countries where people stay active in unions - France, Germany, Italy - have less wealth disparity, happier citizens, and have tended to be more pacifistic and less colonialist than the UK and the US.
Marx had it right in some ways - workers must have a huge stake in the places they work. Capitalists have it right in some ways - where there is a sensible regulated market, which allows competition by making everyone play by fair and moral rules, you will have a more efficient economy.
The problem is that for thousands of years a very small class of people has had control over the direction of the world, and unsurprisingly, they try to force it to bend to benefit themselves. Technology is undoing their hold on what can be valuable, and the internet is taking their control over propaganda away. The printing press destroyed monarchies and the catholic church. I think the internet will destroy corporatism and fundamentalism.
USSR was a socialist country, not a communist one. There's a big difference between the two. Communism was promised, eventually, but they never got there. Just because the ruling party was CPSU, doesn't mean they had communism.
Can you show me a single nation that followed, or even approximated, Communism? All I see is a bunch of fascist dictatorships using Karl Marx's Rhetoric to excuse their power grab.
What about all those Iranian observers they were stepping through the build process for a little hands-on knowledge transfer. Do we want to consider that at all here?
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Its really too bad that there will be no unified (peacful) Korea, but NK's stupidity has just about guaranteed that will not happen.
China has a lot of reasons for wanting to keep NK from destabilizing the region and as an up and coming superpower, they may feel the need to take action. I know I would NOT support sending my fellow Americans to NK's aid if China invaded (in fact, I hope we would side with/assist China if such action occurred to help us learn to cooperate closely in the future.)
do NOT welcome our new North Korean Overlords...
It's a cold war term for overlapping the blast radius of multiple nuclear weapons (such that it looks like footsteps "walking" across a map.) This would likely be the result for a large portion of NK's geographic area as a result of them doing any nuclear attack on the US or its allies.
You have that so incredibly backwards the only thing I can think is that you're posting that as a psych experiment of some sort.
Is this a freshman class project or phd thesis research?
Will you please post a link to the paper when you're done?
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OK that is one thing I don't quite get. They (Korea and Japan) seem to hate each other (or so I hear), but I don't quite get why.
Why do the hate each other so?
Come on over and "fix" us asshole. I'll fix ya just like my fucking dog is fixed.
In response to today's nuclear weapon test by North Korea the United Nations has activated their Quick Reaction Typist Team to being drafting the customary firmly worded letter. Expert linguists will be holding meetings for the next few months to refine a specification for verbiage of appropriate strength to correctly and effectively deal with this issue. Iran will chair the committee, and Libya will sit. Venezuela has already filed an objection to the process as discriminatory and inappropriate.
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Ignoring insightful people on Slashdot is. Think about it.
The problem with this idea is that it might get things done. The point of the US government, and I would say most governments today, is everything is supposed to be debated endlessly by multiple bodies. Often as not, the result is a lack of agreement and it turns out that nothing is done.
That is the whole point. You don't want to make government "efficient". The structure of the system is designed to place as many roadblocks as possible in the way of accomplishing anything. The point is that if it is extremely difficult to get anything done, then only the very most important things that almost everyone can agree on will get done.
If it wasn't this way, if we had "efficient" government, we would have government involvement in every aspect of life and commerce. I don't care where you live - if there is more than single deliberative body that is involved in lawmaking it is a system that is designed to do as little as possible. And for the most part, it is working just fine.
We neither need or want lots of new laws, regulations and government guidance.
True democracy is where everyone votes on every decision. What we have instead is representational democracy.
North Korea doesn't have a "government" as we think of a government. It's a totalitarian regime controlled entirely by Kim Jong Il. Anything you've heard about them having elections, having choice, etc., are all lies. The people in the country are all under the thumb of communist party.
If you want a semi-entertaining (if not scary) look inside North Korea, check this video series out
Also, this book gives some pretty frightening details:
Damn right so. Nuclear weapons seem to be great way for countries to make sure other countries arent going to attack them and that is probably why other countries are so afraid of North Korea having nukes. I really doubt they will use them for anything other than having them around for defence, because if they do there will be many countries attacking them and nuking the whole place to shit right away.
Its also a nice note that only US has so far used nukes against other countries and then they attack other countries making their own ones. quite a hypocrisy, would I say.
The grandparent's post appears to have a distorted view of the situation. The reaction against the Japanese are not just from Koreans. The Japanese did far worst atrocities (both in terms of numbers of people affected and the seriousness of the crimes) than the Germans did. Can you imagine the reaction in the western world if Germany started honoring they WW2 veterans along with Hitler and erected a monument? (I know I'm hitting Godwin's law on this, but it's the truth) Why is it unfair for Non-Japanese Asians to criticize Japan for having a monument dedicated to war criminals?
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>So when you hear people chanting Death to America, its meaning is more along the lines of "Fuck those assholes" than "We want to kill all Americans".
Then they might want to re-think what they are saying and to whom they are saying it.
When some boy comes to my door and say, "I'd like to rape your daughter" when he really meant, "I'd like to take your daughter out on a date" he shouldn't be surprised at the reaction he gets.
>Have you ever said "I'm going to kill somebody"?
No.
>Ever said "Damn it"
Yes, though I don't think hammers, nails, etc., mind too much about that one.
>"Damn them"?
No.
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It just goes to show you can't take the crazy out of crazy.